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General => Frauds => Topic started by: tecpaocelotl on January 31, 2012, 04:16:22 am

Title: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: tecpaocelotl on January 31, 2012, 04:16:22 am
We know she's a fraud, but Coast to Coast has posting an update about her on their facebook.

http://www.facebook.com/coasttocoastam
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Pono Aloha on January 31, 2012, 07:16:24 am
Coast to Coast has the occasional good guest, but is mostly home of the frauds IMHO.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: educatedindian on January 31, 2012, 07:47:17 pm
Here's what we have on her before.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1760.msg14253#msg14253

She also claims...
http://www.thegroundcrew.com/hopi_tibetan_prophecies.htm

She's also interfered in Hopi internal affairs, asking the feds to stop or overturn a tribal election.
http://0163efd.netsolhost.com/hopi_tibetan/2011/011811.html

And uses her claims to sell her services as a psychotherapist.
http://www.kymberleeruff.com/
Note she claims to have studied under "many" elders as well as an aborginal shaman. Conveniently, none named.

For someone claiming to have a serious message, she chooses the least serious and credible sites to go on. Not just Coast to Voast but also UFO  and paranormal sites.
http://paranormalradionetwork.org/2011/06/18/voice-of-the-people--guest--author-kymberlee-ruff-and-aaron-joseph-of-the-vairotsana-foundation.aspx
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DiscerningAngels/message/42453?var=1

Appearing alongside numerous frauds and dubious people exploiting the 2012 nonsense.
http://www.transformingthrough2012.com/featured-authors.html

Also working with a number of frauds, Maria Naylin and Woody Vaspra, and an alleged psychic Michael Temura.
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http://www.michaeltamura.com/recent_news.htm
this past February: I was asked to meet with several key people at the Third Mesa in Hotevilla, Arizona who were to bring forth to the world some of the ancient prophecies, wisdom and the ways of healing and living that is needed for humanity and the earth at this time.  Grandfather Martin Gashweseoma, the Keeper of the Sacred Tablets of the Fire Clan and Hopi Prophecy Holder, had been a life-long mentor in spirit (and now in the body) to our friend Kymberlee Ruff (who is part Cherokee by ancestry, grew up in Hawaii and was recently made an honorary Hopi Elder by Grandfather) and announced to her that the time has come to share some of the real prophecies with the world.  The weekend had been destined for Kymberlee, her two sons, Joe and Jesse (wise souls reincarnated still in young bodies), 13th Generation Apache Quero Diiyin, Maria Yraceburu (who led a pilgrimage of 24 people to this gathering) and Elizabeth Ann Hinn, founder of the White Rose Foundation (and a carrier of one of the mantles of the Hopi Grandfathers) to come together as the "Three Sisters" who would carry the sacred work and wisdom to the world.  Although, Elizabeth was called away on urgent family matters and could not be there in the physical, her presence was deeply felt. Another friend of ours, filmmaker Kent Romney, was also invited for the purpose of filming the gathering and revelations of the  Second Prophecy Rock.  Where the well-known First Hopi Prophecy Rock showed the choice of paths that humanity could take that leads either to nuclear devastation or to peace, the Second Prophecy Rock offers the way should we choose the path to peace. It tells of Shambala and the way we may learn to reach that space.  And as Providence would have it, a good friend of Grandfather Martin, Woody Vaspra, Hawaiian Elder and President of the World Council of Indigenous Elders was there to meet with us as well.

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Ruff is also a ceremony seller in workshops with Naylin, and claimed to be a shaman and carrier.
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http://realityshifters.com/pages/archives/may08.html
Celebrating Turtle Island Womyn & Girls Healing Retreat
22 - 26 October 2008
Oakland, CA
This five-day workshop will provide the participants with the practical knowledge, tools and rites of passage for claiming power to heal themselves and others. Students will learn how to: Access, accummulate and direct power, Work with Spirit Guides that co-create our lives, Find and work with the aspects of self that mold reality, Use the secret of time for healing, Be initiated into the ancient sisterhood of earth, and Use daily practices that intensify spiritual growth. This retreat will be led by Quero Apache guardian Maria Yraceburu, Gypsy shaman Lynda Yraceburu, Hawaiian Huna priestess Leilani Birely, author shamans and wise women Mellissa Seaman and Cynthia Sue Larson, and Cherokee shaman and psychotherapist Kymberlee Ruff MFT, who is Carrier of the Hopi/Tibetan Prophecy. http://www.yraceburu.org/Celebrating_Turtle_Island.html

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That, plus using her false claims to get work as a therapist, is enough to move her to Frauds.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: nemesis on February 01, 2012, 10:10:23 am

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Ruff is also a ceremony seller in workshops with Naylin, and claimed to be a shaman and carrier.
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http://realityshifters.com/pages/archives/may08.html
Celebrating Turtle Island Womyn & Girls Healing Retreat

22 - 26 October 2008
Oakland, CA
This five-day workshop will provide the participants with the practical knowledge, tools and rites of passage for claiming power to heal themselves and others. Students will learn how to: Access, accummulate and direct power, Work with Spirit Guides that co-create our lives, Find and work with the aspects of self that mold reality, Use the secret of time for healing, Be initiated into the ancient sisterhood of earth, and Use daily practices that intensify spiritual growth. This retreat will be led by Quero Apache guardian Maria Yraceburu, Gypsy shaman Lynda Yraceburu, Hawaiian Huna priestess Leilani Birely, author shamans and wise women Mellissa Seaman and Cynthia Sue Larson, and Cherokee shaman and psychotherapist Kymberlee Ruff MFT, who is Carrier of the Hopi/Tibetan Prophecy.  http://www.yraceburu.org/Celebrating_Turtle_Island.html

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That, plus using her false claims to get work as a therapist, is enough to move her to Frauds.

hmmm

Psychotherapists (real of fake / qualified / unqualified) who run "Womyn & Girls Healing Retreats" are of interest to me for obvious reasons

the source link did not work for me on a proxy server, however I found one that did here

http://www.prlog.org/10100352-celebrating-turtle-island-womyn-girls-healing-retreat.html

on which appears the following text:
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Celebrating Turtle Island Womyn & Girls Healing Retreat

Introduction to Celebrating Turtle Island Womyn & Girls Healing Retreat Shares the Ancient Secrets of Life, Time, the Self and Power of Being Womyn - October 22-26, 2008

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

 

Leilani Birely, Kahuna Initiation
PRLog (Press Release) - Aug 06, 2008 -
The knowledge and power of ancient earth transforms participants October 22-26, 2008 during the workshop Celebrating Turtle Island Womyn & Girls Healing Retreat in Oakland, sponsored by the Sisters of Honua (SoH), EarthWisdom, Daughters of the Goddess and San Jose Circle Moon Lodge.

The five-day workshop will provide the participants with the practical knowledge, tools and rites of passage for claiming power to heal themselves and others. Students will learn how to:

   * Access, accumulate and direct power
   * Work with Spirit Guides that co-create our lives
   * Find and work with the aspects of self that mold reality
   * Use the secret of time for healing
   * Be initiated into the ancient sisterhood of earth
   * Use a daily practices that intensifies spiritual growth

“This multi-cultural and intergenerational Rite of Passage helps us master the elements of power, cleanse dysfunction and master the Self,” said Maria Yraceburu, Quero Apache ceremonialist and author. “The Indigenous believed this moment in time is pivotal on womyn taking their place as Dreamers of the World. They handed down the secrets of these changing times through their lineages, their chants, wisdom, and through initiations.”

$575 includes tuition, materials and Daughters of the Goddess Spiral Dance Admission
Registration http://www.yraceburu.org/Celebrating_Turtle_Island.html  
Detailed information on travel and what to bring to the seminar will be provided upon receipt of the registration. Deposit is not refundable.  Remainder of the fee is refundable if cancellation is received in writing at least two weeks prior to the start of the seminar.  Please feel free to contact us if you have additional questions.
  
Event Coordinator & Contact: Joe Montoya, events@yraceburu.org

Facilitators:

– Maria Yraceburu studied Quero Apache traditions with her grandfather, and became an akicita(guardian) of Earth. She facilitated the Earth Renewal Festivals by merging Tlish Diyan ritual with cross-cultural facilitators since 1972. She is author of Wisdom of the Rainbow Serpent: 2nd Penseh (FAEW 2008), Wisdom of the Rainbow Serpent: 1st Penseh (FAEW 2005), Prayers & Meditations of the Quero Apache (Bear & Co. 2004), and Legends & Prophecies of the Quero Apache (Bear & Co., 2002). To learn more visit http://www.yraceburu.org/Yraceburu.html

– Lynda Yraceburu is a living practitioner of her Gypsy shamanic tradition... Vas Pesh, the inheritor of a deeply enriching and healing craft which combines power, passion, light-heartedness and strong elements of magic and insight.  She practices and teaches this craft in accordance with the ancient natural laws of the Rom and earth's cyclic energies.  She is also a Traditional Healer in the Quero Apache Tlish Diyan tradition, and an Earth Spirit Photographer with her first book Where Spirit Lives soon to be released!  To learn more visit http://www.yraceburu.org/Yraceburu.html

– Leilani Birely, Hawaiian Priestess and ceremonialist brings ancient Hawaiian healing and Goddess wisdom to the community.  She is the active mother of two girls.  Graduated from George Mason University in Fairfax VA with a degree in Business, and a graduate of the Masters in Womyn’s Spirituality from New College in San Francisco.  On Summer solstice of 1996 she founded Daughters of the Goddess Womyn’s Temple.  In August of 1998, she was Ordained as a Dianic High Priestess by Z Budapest at the Goddess 2000 womyn's Festival in La Honda, CA.  In March 2008, Maria & Lynda Yraceburu, and Patrice Erickson acted as Guardians and take Leilani home to Hawaii to begin intiations as Kahuna with the Kumu of her lineage.  To learn more go to http://www.DaughtersoftheGoddess.com

– Mellissa Seaman delights in facilitating events for women in their awakening, embodiment, and empowerment.  In the year 2000, Mellissa experienced an awakening that took her from being a Stanford-educated Catholic Lawyer to being a channel and shamanic healer.   Since then, she has led workshops in Shamanic Practice, the Arts of the Temple Priestess, Temple Dance, Shamanic Tantra and Ecstatic Breathwork in circles and retreat centers around California.  Read articles she has written at www.HeartWisdom.net to learn more.

– Spiritual life coach Cynthia Sue Larson is author of several books, including Aura Advantage, and Reality Shifts. Cynthia holds an M.B.A. from San Francisco State University, and a A.B. degree in Physics from U.C. Berkeley. She lives in Berkeley, California, where she publishes the free monthly ezine, RealityShifters News through her reality shifting web site http://www.realityshifters.com

– Kymberlee Ruff,MFT was born in the Cherokee Nation of two part Cherokee parents. Kymberlee has worked in psych for thirty years, licensed as a psychotherapist since 1986 and apprenticed as a shaman for over ten years.For the past nine years,  Kymberlee has been working with a paradigm that  she created combining shamanism and traditional psychotherapy.  In 2001 Kymberlee learned that she is a Prophecy Carrier of the Hopi/Tibetan Prophecy. In 2006 Kymberlee  was made an Honorary Hopi Elder by Grandfather Martin Gashweseoma, the Keeper of the Sacred Tablets of the Fire Clan.  Specifically, Kymberlee is a Carrier of the message  of the "Second Hopi Prophecy Rock". The Message of Hope that follows after the First Hopi Prophecy Rock.

# # #

A non-profit organization for the reunification of Earth and Humans through programs that offer healing, spiritual awareness, personal development and community. We celebrate the Changing Mother earth and work through responsible co-creation.

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No time to check out all of the "shamans" listed as leading the retreats, however one of them is already on my radar  Mellissa Seaman
FB page here
http://www.facebook.com/mellissasea?sk=friends&v=friends

Lots of dodgy "tantric" friends including plenty of deer tribe members.  

This woman is running an event called "Yoni Speak"
http://www.facebook.com/events/316861151675066/

Her websites are here
http://heartwisdom.net
http://www.divineravishment.com

She and her partner Richard Bock teach "Divine Ravishment" workshops and offer "Tantric Inquiry" counseling sessions.
The divine ravishment website advertises a mix and blend of long distance healing, aquatic "bodywork" and "quantum light breath"

I am already familiar with some other people running "quantum light breath" events.  Guess who?
http://www.meetup.com/Sedona-Tantra-for-Awakening-Meetup-Group/events/13935754/

Ms Seaman uses her vagina as a "power tool", because the coyote told her too.  Or something.
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Every shaman has a “power tool” – the main tool that she uses in her practice.  My power tool, as revealed to me by my guides, is my Yoni, a.k.a. my vagina.  When I first heard this news from my Guides, I thought perhaps Coyote was just giving me a hard time, as he is known to do.  So I asked again.  Again they told me my power tool was my Yoni – my “lower mouth,” they said.   I remember how odd and scary that sounded to me that day.   But now, after working with and through my Yoni with many clients, I realize the perfect sense of it all.  Yoni is the primary channel of a woman.  She is the perfect instrument for channeling healing energy, whether it is my Yoni channeling into another, or my client using her own Yoni to release trauma.   And so I am honored and dedicated to continuing my work as Yoni Shaman.  My full Spirit name is Mellissa Andromeda Yoni Ashwan, and I will continue to serve as I am Called.

source:
http://heartwisdom.net/articles/yoniarticle.htm


Just had a quick look at one of the other "shamans" Leilani Birely, could not find her on FB but the group she is involved with http://www.DaughtersoftheGoddess.com seems to be a mix of different traditions and newage stuff for a hefty price.  Could someone else take a look?   

It links to this group http://www.templeofdiana.org/ .  I seriously doubt whether the http://www.templeofdiana.org/ group is knowingly involved in THB and the women involved are old skool feminists involved in archery.  

I feel concerned about a "womyns" event in which feminists are mixing with pseudo-tantrics as the "tantric" poison is spread by social contagion and some feminists seem especially vulnerable to recruitment.  

Just sharing some thoughts
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: educatedindian on February 12, 2012, 03:00:39 pm
Ruff contacted me, claiming it's all a misunderstanding and she supports what we do. First is her email followed by my response.

Has anyone ever heard of this "Cherokee Dream Walker lineage" she talks about?

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 My name is Kymberlee Ruff, MFT. A friend sent me a link to the page someone wrote about me.
 
I wanted you to know that I deeply support your work to try and keep the Native traditions safe from white people that would exploit the Natives. I am Cherokee. In fact I just recently found out that I actually have an ancestors on the Dawes rolls.
 
I have also spent much time devoted to trying to protect the sacredness of the Native traditions. It also bothers me greatly when I see a white person calling themselves a "Hopi Prophecy Carrier".
 
My friend suggested that I write to you to clear up the misinformation that was written about me in order to preserve the integrity of your site.
 
 I would like to clarify that I have NEVER ever made any money from anything I have done with the Hopi or the Tibetans. The site says that I participated in a workshop with Maria Yraceburu. That workshop never happened. I do not know it was not taken down off the internet.
 
 I am not a "ceremony seller". I have never participated in leading any such ceremonies for money ever.
 
I have never charged for tours or made a penny off the writings for the internet.
 
 The site says that I am using the Prophecies to get psychotherapy patients. I am not allowed to have any kind of "dual-relationsip" with patients or I could lose my license. I am a Marriage, Family Therapist and am only allowed to practice within the boundaries of family therapy.
 
I  keep my psychotherapy practice completely separate from the other parts of my life.
 
Also I have indeed studied with many wise Elders of the years.
 
My main teacher is Grandfather Martin Gashweseoma. He adopted me into his Hopi family in 2006.
 
I have studied with many Tibetans over the years but my main teachers are the Venerable Bhakha Tulku Rinpoche and Tulku Orgyen Phuntsok. I have taken refuge in the three jewels and taken Boddhisattva and Upasaka Vows with His Holiness the Dalai Lama.
 
The aborigine shaman that I studied with was Major "Muggi" Sumner whom I met at a Lakota Sundance in 2007. He taught me about the Dreaming. I inherited the lineage of the "Cherokee Dream Walker" and have had dreams every single day of my life.
 
Also regarding the Hopi election. I strongly suggest that you look further into what happened. The Hopi Tribal Council was trying to dissolve their Traditional Way of Life. It was a miracle that in the end the Hopi voted to keep to the instructions of Maussau the Creator.
 
Regarding the radios shows: Grandfather Martin asked me as a personal favor on 08/08/08 to go out into the world and share his message. He was losing his hearing and since gone completely deaf.


I did not want to go public for reasons exactly like was written on this Fraud web site. I do not have thick enough skin to weather misinformation and accusations about me. I went public anyway as a favor to Grandfather Martin because he is so dear to me and I feel like the world owes him a huge debt.
 
So in closing I wanted to let you know that I appreciate your efforts to keep the Native teachings pure.
 
I share your passion for protecting the truth.
 
 I am hoping that whoever wrote that site will take the time to read and consider what I have written.

Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions about my life.
 
I strongly support what you are doing.
 may all beings benefit,
 Kymberlee Ruff,MFT


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Hello Ms. Ruff,

Thank you for contacting us. We always welcome all further information that can help clear up these matters.

Perhaps you can answer then:

What was your association with Naylin? How did your name get online in several places as selling ceremony with her?

I know that if a similar falsehood was put out about me, I'd be contacting the site owners demanding it be taken down and threatening a lawsuit if they didn't. Yet these sites have been up for four years now.

Why do so many sites have you listed as a Hopi elder? Have you ever tried to contact those site owners?

Why do you put your claims of being a carrier for Hopi prophecy on your professional websites? How is that not profiting, using those claims to get clients?

I'm not certain what a "Cherokee Dream Walker" is but I will ask our Cherokee members. It is rather striking that the only evidence of any claim to your alleged Cherokee heritage is a claim you studied it with an aboriginal from Australia.

I know all too well there are often conflicts between elected tribal councils and the older councils of elders, but I would never dare interfere in internal tribal matters as you seem to be doing. Not just in that election but in openly defying the wishes of the council earlier, when they denied you and Miriam Delicado permission but you went ahead and did it anyway.

Could you tell us about your association with fraud Woody Vaspra, the imposter claiming to be a Hawaiian elder? How did you become involved in his council of "elders"?

I couldn't find who most of the alleged elders were in that council. Those who were...included the fraud Maria Naylin, another obvious fraud named Benny Lebeau, a woman from Peru named Talia, and of course the Hopi man you know, Martin. But by your account, Martin has been quite ailing and hasn't left the rez for many years. Did you represent him at that conference?

For someone claiming to support what we do, it sure doesn't seem so by who you associate with and your own actions.

Al Carroll, moderator

PS. I'll post our exchanges at the site. This information is important for all to see. If you wish you can join and respond directly to questions.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 12, 2012, 05:20:13 pm
My name is Kymberlee Ruff, MFT.
... ... ...
The aborigine shaman that I studied with was Major "Muggi" Sumner whom I met at a Lakota Sundance in 2007.

Hello Kymberlee,

Is this the event you are referring to?

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1760.msg14250#msg14250
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Hello, my name is Kymberlee Ruff, MFT and I have just returned from the World Council’s First International Sundance.
... ... ...
There was Woody Vaspra in his lava-lava and kukui bead, Michael Tamura in his Sam-urai skirt and fans, Maria Yraceburu in her traditional Apache dress, there was even an Aborigine they call "Major" with a bone through his nose.


http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1760.msg24644#msg24644
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The 4th International Sundance will take place from Tree Day, Wednesday, November 10 through four days of dancing, Thursday, November 11 – Sunday, November 14, 2010.  The Sundance grounds are located on Ngarrindjeri Elder, Major Sumner’s (“Moogy”) sacred land on the Coorong (“long water”) in South Australia
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: tecpaocelotl on February 12, 2012, 09:23:33 pm
The radio program for those who missed it:

http://youtu.be/MHA-kRHTtQ8

She mentions a few names of people I don't know much on them.

*update*

A few things she says that I'm questioning.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: earthw7 on February 13, 2012, 07:33:14 pm
What i want to know is what is a cherokee :-\-----doing a a sundance For???
Why would they even be a  part of the Hopi people.

Among Native people ONE PERSON can not give you the rights to a nation
If someone says a person made they (Keeper-shaman-or whatever they claim)
they must provide the witnesses names and dates this happen to anyone that
ask you of the events and where it took place and how many people approved it
before Native people will lsiten to you.

My main teacher is Grandfather Martin Gashweseoma. He adopted me into his Hopi family in 2006.
This means she has no right to the culture, langauge, spirituality all she has rights is to care for this man

Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: educatedindian on February 13, 2012, 10:03:38 pm
The email from her get stranger...She's now claiming to be clueless about how the net works as her main excuse. But no one could be that dumb or scatterbrained and also be a licensed counselor.

And all this silly flattery in her responses. First her emai.l then my response.

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Dear Al,
 I am SO glad that you wrote back. I had a dream this morning that I was supposed to write and tell you:
 
"The Ancestors support your work to protect the Sacred Ceremonies. They will not even attend a ceremony where there is money involved. Therefor it is just theater."
 
I wasn't sure if I had the right email so I very happy that you wrote.
 
Regarding Maria Yraceburu. She is a friend of mine. I have taken vows not to gossip with His Holiness the Dalai Lama so I will try and explain carefully. I do love her even if I don't completely agree with what she is doing. PLEASE promise that you will not repeat this. I do not ever want to hurt her.
 I think the best thing is to continue trying to talk to her about selling ceremony.
 
I met Maria years ago. She is part Cherokee like me. She asked me to attend this "retreat" that the "Sisters of Honua" were doing. I thought it sounded fun.
 Then I found out that it was actually a workshop or something and my name was being used to sell tickets.
I respectfully bowed out. I heard that the whole thing got canceled. I am assuming that Great Spirit felt it was not in integrity.
 
 I have NO idea how the Internet works but the ad had already gone up and was never removed. I heard that the conference never happened but I can promise you I did not go.
 
 Also I was unaware that any site post me as a Hopi Elder. I am pretty freaked out by all of this.
 
Grandfather Martin asked me to go public on 08/08/08 because he was going deaf and wanted the message of the Hopi/Tibetan Prophecy out by December 22, 2012.
 
It has been extremely challenging for me to do. I am a single mom living in Santa Barbara and support myself completely on my psychotherapy practice. I work SEVEN days a week to pay the bills.
 
I do not understand ANYTHING about how the Internet works and I don't have the time to look into it.
 
I know that since I did that radio show on "Coast to Coast" two weeks ago it has been crazy!!
I don't actually listen to the radio (except for the hip-hop station that my son sets the dial on.)
 
I had no idea that C2C has MILLIONS of listeners!!
 I have been bombarded with letters and phone calls since then.
 
Apparently people have put my radio show to youtube and then other people put the youtube up on their web pages. I do not understand copyright laws or any of that.
 
I have spoken to The Elders about this and they say:
"It is your job to get the Message of Compassion out there. Whatever laws they are violating is their Karma."
 
As far as being listed as a Hopi Elder. I do not know who would say that about me.
 
The thing is: it is true. Grandfather Martin DID make me a Hopi Elder on July 14, 2006 but very very few people know that. I do not EVER tell anyone that because my friends that are born Hopi (not just adopted like me) would be offended!!
 
Also I NEVER ever call myself a Hopi Prophecy Carrier. I try as much as I can to clarify that I am a "Messenger" of the Message. It is different.
 
 
As far as profiting from all of this: I WOULD LOSE MY LICENSE IF I DID THAT!!
 
I am only allowed to practice psychotherapy within the "scope of marriage and family therapy".
 
I am not allowed to even MENTION my personal life in therapy. It is about the patients and their marriage and family issues. The most I do is that I have Kachinas all over my office that the Hopi have made for me and Tibetan artifacts that the Buddhists have given me.
 
Also I am not sure about the Cherokee question and the Aborigine?? I only know one Aborigine.
 
Both of my parents are(were my dad passed) Cherokee. I was born in Arkansas. My great great grandfather John Byron was on the Dawes rolls and I am in the process of getting a card so my older son can afford to go to college.
 I should have done it sooner but I never expected the economy to be like this when I had kids!!
 
I am trying to address all of your questions because I really really do support what you are doing.
 
I am friends with Woody Vaspra who I believe lives in Boulder with his wife.
 
Here is the thing: as a Practicing Buddhist I have taken vows to only say kind things about people.
I do not work with any of the people that you mentioned.
 
I DO NOT WORK WITH ANYONE!
 
 All I do is pass along what the Hopi and the Tibetans ask me to. I am in contact with Grandfather Martin. He is deaf now but he can read. I visit him often and we write. He also taught me how to communicate with him in the dream time.
 
And as far as the Tibetan end of things: They have TONS of initiations and empowerments and transmissions that you have to take before you can speak about ANYTHING!!
 
I don't know if you have heard of the "Dharma Protectors"??
 
They protect the Dharma. I would NEVER want to mess with them.
 
I take EVERYTHING that I write to the Tibetans to edit before I put anything on the web.
 
There is a sangha here in Santa Barbara where I study closely with Ven. Bhakha Tulku Rinpoche and his nephew Tulku Orgyen Phuntsok.
 
http://vairotsana.org/our-teachers/
 
Well I have to go to work now but I am really glad you wrote. Please contact me if you have any questions or I left anything out.
 
I think it is wonderful what you are doing to protect our Heritage.
may all beings benefit,
 Kymberlee
 

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Hello again,
It's hard to know where to begin...
 
Most of what I asked was not answered, and then not answered yet again in your two follow up emails. Some of the answers raise more questions.
 
To start with, why would you be a friend to Maria Naylin when she is so clearly a fraud and an exploiter who demands payment for ceremony?
 
She is also not what she claims:
1.Her name is not Yraceburu, which is a Yaqui name, not an Apache like she claims. Her name is Naylin.
2. She claims to be a "Qero Apache" a people that do not exist.
3. She speaks gibberish in her "ceremonies" in mangled Navajo, invents things she claims are Apache traditions.
And now you tell me she is actually Cherokee, not Apache at all.
You ask me to keep this secret. I cannot and should not. I often keep secret information that could be used to harm someone. but it is not right to keep information secret that someone is using to harm others, as Naylin has done.
4. She's been asked by the San Carlos Apache to quit using their official symbols without permission, but has refused.
5. She also has her partner selling what they falsely claim is Apache ceremony.
 
You claim to not understand the internet but it's a very simple matter to email someone to ask them to quit lying about you or misrepresenting the traditions you say you care so much about.
 
You claim to be an elder. No, you are not.
You claim to be a messenger. No, you clearly are not that either.
 
One man cannot make you an elder. The Hopi have long estalblished protocol of who is and isn't an elder. If  the whole community does not recognize you as an elder, then you are not one. Period.
 
One Hopi man cannot make you their messenger. It has always been councils of Hopi elders that chose messengers and they were always other Hopi. To imagine they would choose a non-Hopi is ludicrous. They've always chosen the most traditional Hopi they could find.
 
Clearly you don't understand much of Hopi or Indian ways and you are spreading one falsehood after another. You are doing a great deal of harm.
 
As far as profiting off of these claims, clearly you are.
 
You have these claims on your professional websites, ones that you wrote.
You worry about losing your license. I think you should remove these claims from your websites.
 
If not, don't be surprised if people report your lack of ethics and try to get your license pulled.
 
I strongly urge you to cease associating with obvious frauds like Naylin and Vaspra, and contact every website that has spread falsehoods, You have done a lot of damage and if you truly care as much as you claim to, you will undo the harm you've done.
Al
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: educatedindian on February 13, 2012, 10:08:04 pm
Two more emails from her that didn't answer much. The first one included a photo she sent of her with Martin. He looks like a very kindly elderly man, very confused and unsure of what's going on around him. Keep in mind Ruff claims to speak with him (though he's been deaf for years) and to speak with him in her dreams.

To which I'm tempted to say, "Yeah yeah, in your dreams..." ::)

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Dear Al,
 I had a dream that I should also explain why I got involved with the Hopi election.
I have Hopi friends on the first,second and third Mesas. I have some Hopi friends who are Traditional and they ASKED me to help in whatever way I could.
 
I am extremely busy being a self employed single mom. I offered to help them with my time because I do not have money to contribute.
 I also want to make it really clear that I do not have any kind of "donate" on my web site.
I have absolutely NOTHING to do with any money coming in or going out of Hopi.
 
I do mail packages of parrot feathers and other gifts. A dear friend of mine is taking a big package of chocolates and Kona coffee to Grandfather Martin tomorrow for Valentine's Day.
 Here is a photo of him and me that my son took  a couple of months ago.
 
FYI: People ask how I can be blond and be Cherokee. The answer is that I dye my hair. It has NEVER actually been blond. I was born with jet black hair and I little "widow's peak" that my mom said is "Cherokee". I don't know that means but I always thought it was a really nice thing to say.
asquali,
 Kymberlee

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Dear Al,
 I just re-read your letter to see if there was anything I missed. I have made vows with the Tibetans to live in absolute integrity.
 
 I noticed that you mentioned some conference and asked if I went representing Grandfather Martin.
I did not and would never do that. All I do is write what he asks me to write and do radio shows because it will reach a lot of people.
 
 I personally agree with what you are doing. I did not agree with what John Kimmey was doing when he was alive and I would never ever want to end up like him.
 
I am not trying to badmouth him but he was a white man and he called himself a "Hopi Prophecy Carrier".
I have tried to make it as clear as I can that I am NOT a Hopi Prophecy Carrier. I begin every single radio show with this.
 I am also not a Tibetan Prophecy Carrier.
 
I am a "Messenger" of the separate "Hopi/Tibetan Prophecy". It is a specific Prophecy that was activated in 1974 when His Holiness the 16th Karmapa went to Hopi for the first time.
 
I have included this youtube that someone put up to the radio show I did if you would like to listen to it.
 
I take my responsibility as a messenger very very seriously. I have always tried and do the right thing.
asquali,
 Kymberlee
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on February 14, 2012, 02:25:44 am

Grandfather Martin asked me to go public on 08/08/08 because he was going deaf and wanted the message of the Hopi/Tibetan Prophecy out by December 22, 2012.
 


Um. The Dalai Lama is alive and well, and quite able to give Tibetan Prophecy if there is one and if he so wanted.

Why she writes "Hopi/Tibetan"  as though they are the one/the same and can be interchanged? I don't know, but leaves no real credibility with me (not that the other stuff lent credibility, just pointing this out).

She writes it as though Martin knew Tibetan? Why would a Hopi be so deeply involved in Tibetan beliefs as to
know their prophecy? Seems this Martin isn't who he says either.

 
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: tecpaocelotl on February 14, 2012, 05:55:28 am
Um. The Dalai Lama is alive and well, and quite able to give Tibetan Prophecy if there is one and if he so wanted.

Why she writes "Hopi/Tibetan"  as though they are the one/the same and can be interchanged? I don't know, but leaves no real credibility with me (not that the other stuff lent credibility, just pointing this out).

She writes it as though Martin knew Tibetan? Why would a Hopi be so deeply involved in Tibetan beliefs as to
know their prophecy? Seems this Martin isn't who he says either.

I recommend you to listen to the coast to coast interview where she mentioned how she sees it. A lot of false statements.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Autumn on February 14, 2012, 07:53:04 pm
IMHO, she is a seriously deluded person.

These are her own words:

"As far as profiting from all of this: I WOULD LOSE MY LICENSE IF I DID THAT!!
 
I am only allowed to practice psychotherapy within the "scope of marriage and family therapy".
 
I am not allowed to even MENTION my personal life in therapy. It is about the patients and their marriage and family issues. The most I do is that I have Kachinas all over my office that the Hopi have made for me and Tibetan artifacts that the Buddhists have given me."

And this is from her website:  http://www.kymberleeruff.com/

"It has been an extremely rewarding experience to be able to integrate the Old Ways of the First People into her psychotherapy practice.  With the world in such a critical time, it has never seemed more important to honor the ancient traditions of integrity and respect."
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 14, 2012, 10:06:56 pm
Direct link to post about Ruff on Coast to Coast's Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/coasttocoastam/posts/160100040768494
"New guest for the second half of tonight's show! Psychotherapist Kymberlee Ruff shares Hopi/Tibetan prophecies."

http://www.thegroundcrew.com/kymberlee_ruff.htm"
"Kymberlee Ruff
Messenger of the Hopi/Tibetan Prophecies

"Kymberlee Ruff, MFT, is Cherokee by ethnicity. She was adopted into the Hopi Tribe by Grandfather Martin Gashweseoma and asked to share the "Hopi / Tibetan Prophecies" with the world."

These are her own words:

"As far as profiting from all of this: I WOULD LOSE MY LICENSE IF I DID THAT!!"

And this is from her website:  http://www.kymberleeruff.com/

"It has been an extremely rewarding experience to be able to integrate the Old Ways of the First People into her psychotherapy practice."

Screen shot of her claims on her website:
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Smart Mule on February 14, 2012, 10:31:30 pm
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Both of my parents are(were my dad passed) Cherokee. I was born in Arkansas. My great great grandfather John Byron was on the Dawes rolls and I am in the process of getting a card so my older son can afford to go to college.
 I should have done it sooner but I never expected the economy to be like this when I had kids!!

John Byron was NOT cherokee.  He was the PARENT of Cora Byron (who was born in 1896) and the husband of Rosa Bryon Dallas http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/dawescard.php?s_last=byron&s_first=john&s_middle=&s_tribe=Cherokee&s_card=10623 (http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/dawescard.php?s_last=byron&s_first=john&s_middle=&s_tribe=Cherokee&s_card=10623)

I have a picture of the actual Dawes card, I will try and figure out a way to post it.  On it it clearly states JOHN BYRON (deceased) was a non-citizen and that Cora was 1/2.  Cora was enrolled on September 1. 1901.  She was born in Indiana.  She shows up on the 1900 census, living with her Mother, Uncles and Grandpa Thomas Byron(and some other people) in Cherokee Territory.  Uncles and Grandpa Thomas Byron are listed as WHITE.  Grandpa Thomas Byron was born in Pennsylvania as were Uncles James and Sylvester.  Grandpa Thomas Byron's parents were both born in Ireland. Cora's full name was Cora Myrtle Byron.  She in turn married a man with the first name John and they lived in Kansas.  Cora and John's children are still living (in Kansas and Oklahoma) and are in no way related to Kymberlee Ruff.  

The attached scan is low-resolution to fit on the board, but should be readable.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: educatedindian on February 15, 2012, 09:43:14 pm
The latest email exchanges between us. I'm trying to find out if she is sincere as she claims and will put out a statement against the falsehoods out there. First her email then min.

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Dear Al,
 I don't actually spend time with Maria. She lives in another state.I don't know anything about her past.
We are not close in that way.
She told me years ago that she is Apache and a little Cherokee.
 I know that she has these women that are her apprentices. I am not one of them.
 
I also do not hang out with Woody. He lives in Colorado.
I do try to stay friendly with everyone I meet.
 
It sounds like there are people that believe she is not living in integrity. It is not my job to judge her.
I think that it is important for people perhaps like you to look into these things.
As far as keeping a secret, I only meant that I would not want you to post anything from my private letters to you on the internet. I try to stay out of controversial matters.
 I never ever write to blogs or whatever where people argue.
 
If you know how to correct things on the internet I would be very grateful. I don't even know how to use WORD document. When I post things, I send an email to a friend of mine in Taos and she does it.
This is another example of how I don't make money. I PAY to have the writings I am given put up on the internet.
 
As far as being an Elder, I only know what Grandfather Martin told me. I don't know if it is true and that is why I never ever mention it to anyone. PLEASE know that I do not have "an attachment" to being "an Elder". I have studied for many years how to release the "ego-grasping" and just be of service.
 
I do not go around telling people that I am an Elder.
 
I HAVE been asked by the Hopi and the Tibetans to be the Messenger of the Hopi/Tibetan Prophecy.
They believe that my son is the human link between the two cultures and it is my responsibility to take the message of compassion to the world.
 
Also I of course would remove any claims that say that I am a Hopi Elder of a Hopi Prophecy Carrier.
I am not aware of any sites that say this. I looked on the internet after you wrote, but I could not find anything that called me an Elder.
If you can direct them to me I would appreciate it because I feel very very strongly about living in integrity.
 
Also as far as referring to these people as my friends, I have been asked by the Tibetans to refer to ALL people as my friend. It is the Tibetan way.
 I would like very much to be friends with YOU!
 
I think the work you are doing is great.
 
If I have not answered any more questions, please let me know. I am not the best writer in the world which is why I did not want to go public and put writings on the internet. I am doing it as a favor to Grandfather and Ven. Bhakha Tulku Rinpoche.
 
I am not aware of a lot of these things that you say are posted about me and I don't have a clue about how to stop some of these things. I would appreciate whatever help you have to offer.
 asqauli,
 Kymberlee
 
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Hello again,
Let me try one last time.
 
1. I'm not talking about Naylin's past, but about the abuse she does RIGHT NOW.
If integrity is so important to you, you should take far greater with who you associate with. It's obvious to anyone who has been around Indians and Native cultures that both Naylin and Vaspra are frauds. Take far greater care in the future.
 
2. "Judgement" is not a bad thing. Believing that it is, well, that's something the New Age claims. It's not something Indians ever would claim, and certainly not Hopi.
 
3. It's incredibly simple to get something false removed. You simply WRITE AN EMAIL.
 
When a site puts out falsehoods, write the site owner. Insist they be taken down.
 
If not, there may be legal remedies. But if you don't want to go that route, put out your own public statement.
 
And please don't tell me you can't or don't know how. You have professional websites for yourself.
 
4. No, you NOT an elder, or a messenger of any kind.
 
Start with the obvious: You haven't talked to every last Hopi, nor to every last Tibetan.
 
You claim that ONE Hopi man asked you to do these things. If a council of elders didn't tell you, then the Hopi have NOT asked you to be a messenger.
 
5. If you go to our website, one of the other moderators, Sky, is herself Cherokee. She points out there's no such thing as a "Cherokee dream walker" lineage or tradition. So you should quit claiming there is.
 
Sky also has posted geneaology research on your family line. There is NO evidence you are Cherokee.
 
Just the opposite, Sky has traced your family line back beyond the Dawes Rolls. This is what she says:
 
"John Byron was NOT cherokee.  He was the PARENT of Cora Byron (who was born in 1896) and the husband of Rosa Bryon Dallas http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/awescard.php?s_last=byron&s_first=john&s_middle=&s_tribe=Cherokee&s_card=10623

I have a picture of the actual Dawes card, I will try and figure out a way to post it.  On it it clearly states JOHN BYRON (deceased) was a non-citizen and that Cora was 1/2.  Cora was enrolled on September 1. 1901.  She was born in Indiana.  She shows up on the 1900 census, living with her Mother, Uncles and Grandpa Thomas Byron(and some other people) in Cherokee Territory.  Uncles and Grandpa Thomas Byron are listed as WHITE.  Grandpa Thomas Byron was born in Pennsylvania as were Uncles James and Sylvester.  Grandpa Thomas Byron's parents were both born in Ireland. Cora's full name was Cora Myrtle Byron.  She in turn married a man with the first name John and they lived in Kansas.  Cora and John's children are still living (in Kansas and Oklahoma) and are in no way related to Kymberlee Ruff."
 
All your ancestors are white. The Dawes roll shows your ancestors as NON Cherokee living near Cherokee land.
 
Even if you did have ancestry, you were not raised in any Native culture. This is why you keep falling for falsehoods like "Cherokee dream walker". Until you know the culture, you should not claim to be Cherokee. 

6.Kymberlee, you claim you want me to help you. Ok, here is my offer:
 
Let's you and me, and other members of nafps as well, start going to all the sites putting out falsehoods about you. We'll write to them and get them to stop, as best we can.
 
Let's also work on a public statement from you, which we will ask them to post, and we will post on NAFPS, and you can post on your professional website. The statment should say:
 
I, Kymberlee Ruff, wish to put an end to all the misinformation out there.
I am NOT a Hopi elder.
I am NOT a Hopi messenger.
I say only that one Hopi man, Martin, has asked me to speak on these matters.
I also claim to communicate with him in dreams.
I have no evidence he is even a Hopi elder. He is not part of any Hopi council of traditional elders.
I am NOT Hopi. I am NOT an adopted Hopi either. Indian tribes do not adopt people. Families do. I claim to be adopted by Martin's family.
I am NOT Cherokee, though I once believed my ancestors were. I was NOT raised in Cherokee culture or traditions.
Still, I believe the message from Martin is important, and am speaking as just an average white woman.
I am strongly opposed to spiritual exploitation, falsehoods, and especially pay to pray ceremony. I have never taken part in any pay to pray ceremony and ask that all websites claiming I have take down this false information.
 
What do you think? Should we help you put out your statment?
Al
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: earthw7 on February 15, 2012, 10:25:19 pm
I found this site today
about Martin Gashweseoma
http://www.thedreammasters.org/hopi/martingashweseoma.php
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 15, 2012, 11:26:57 pm
"I HAVE been asked by the Hopi and the Tibetans to be the Messenger of the Hopi/Tibetan Prophecy.
They believe that my son is the human link between the two cultures and it is my responsibility to take the message of compassion to the world."

Kymberlee,  Al already addressed the fact that one Hopi or Tibetan person can not make you a messenger for an  entire culture and community. Do you really expect us to believe that two Indigenous cultures would chose a white child, who just happens to be your son, to represent them to the world when they are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves (and do)?  Seriously, it's very hard to consider you to be a sincere person when you make racist claims of this sort.

Kymberlee, I would also like to know why you don't just join the board and speak for yourself. Why do you think Al should spend his time posting the things you send him?  I don't believe that joining a message board is too difficult a task for you to handle, especially when you are asking for our help in cleaning up this mess you've made.

I found this site today
about Martin Gashweseoma
http://www.thedreammasters.org/hopi/martingashweseoma.php

Kymberlee and her son are the white people with him in some of those pictures.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Smart Mule on February 17, 2012, 11:15:22 pm
Kymberlee, I hope you are taking the time to read this thread. You seem very happy and excited about what you are doing.  You seem to see nothing wrong with being friends with and supporting individuals who are fraudulent.  His Holiness the Dalai Lama advises that we should publicly expose such people for what they are.  If you are working directly with Tibetan Buddhists I would think you would respect the words and direction of the Dalai Lama, unless you feel that ego driven lies that harm people and living cultures is more important.  If that's the case it speaks volumes about your ethics.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 19, 2012, 06:34:04 pm
Kymberlee, since you say this is all confusing to you, I'm going to put it really simply. I'm sorry if I sound mean, but seriously, you are wasting a lot of people's time and being very offensive. Al and Sky have been very patient with you, and you have acted inappropriately.

If you knew anything about the living or historical Cherokee communities, you would not make the ridiculous claims you are making. We know that, and spot it immediately, even if you do not.

If you knew anything about the census records (besides your quest to misappropriate funds from NDNs to use for your white son's college tuition) you would know that having an alleged ancestor's name appear on the Dawes rolls doesn't make you NDN. It doesn't even make that ancestor NDN. You have to actually read the census information, and grasp those little details like race and citizenship. 

The man you tried to claim as your ancestor wasn't NDN. And according to the information you yourself have provided, as well as that in the genealogies of the tribes, he wasn't even your ancestor.

Maybe you have a John Byron somewhere back in your family tree. But if so, it was a different John Byron. "John" was one of the most common names back then, and "Byron" is not uncommon, either. Whether intentionally or unintentionally, you tried to steal someone else's ancestors.

Kymberlee, you're not the first to find a family name on a tree and try to latch on to someone else's genealogy and present their ancestors as your own. It's happened to some of us here on the board. The funny thing is, you didn't even swipe an NDN lineage. You swiped some white people.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: tecpaocelotl on February 20, 2012, 01:59:51 am
I'll make the image of the roll large enough in case she missed it:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/tecpaocelotl/Roll-10623.jpg)
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Smart Mule on February 20, 2012, 02:25:27 am
Thank you!
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on February 20, 2012, 03:21:38 am
Eh. She's just playing games here.

She's telling us that she is dumb but somehow made it through college to be a therapist? Where is
the "sense" of insight needed to be a therapist if she can't even gain insight on how a phone works.. blah. Games.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: nemesis on February 20, 2012, 02:34:28 pm
I cannot see any clear information on her site about the model/s of psychotherapy that she is trained in.

This is fairly unusual as most psychotherapists are enthusiastic advocates of their chosen field.

Apart from the abuses against Native people, I have to say that I am dismayed with Ruff's treatment of her son.  He is a young child and it is really not fair on him to drag him into this mess and to try to persuade him that he is some kind of sacred messenger when he is nothing of the sort. 
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 21, 2012, 03:49:10 am
Tangent about who gets to decide who is and isn't NDN moved to etc: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3600.0
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: earthw7 on February 21, 2012, 04:12:01 pm
thank you Kathryn
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Odelle on January 21, 2013, 03:51:59 am
ETA: Ruff asked me to pull the email, so I'm just paraphrasing them, below. Jan. 21, 2013

I'm continuing a thread that I started in Member Introductions but that I think is probably more appropriate here. Here is the link to that thread: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3915.0

I joined NAFPS because I encountered Kymberlee Ruff's claims about the Tibetan-Hopi Prophecy online and frankly thought that she might be using a Tibetan Buddhist organization's name without their knowledge or permission. I was unsure whether it was a good or bad idea to contact the organization and NAFPS members encouraged me to do so, so I sent them an email, but I have yet to receive a reply. This was about a month ago. Before putting the matter to rest, I decided to contact Ruff directly and she soon sent me two emails with photos. I'll outline my concerns and also the concerns of a couple of my Tibetan friends, one of whom is also a religious teacher, below and then post the email exchange between Ruff and myself.

Why I was concerned:
1. She claims to be both a Tibetan and Hopi prophet and is also pulling in Zuni into the mix.
2.How can she be a Tibetan prophet if she does not speak Tibetan? The Tibetans she implies have given her the prophecy speak English, have established centers and many students. Why do they need an outsider to spread their prophecy? 
3. She claims a mani stone was discovered in Zuni and is thousands of years old, but it is a typical mani stone, a rock with prayers carved on it. She says it has the prayers of all the Tibetan deities (?), but the prayers are very basic mantras, such as Om Mani Padme Hum (unlike Ruff, I *can* read Tibetan). My Tibetan friends comments on this: it is a typical mani stone with no hint of prophecy or anything especially remarkable. It was almost certainly carved by hand (both people I asked believe that mantras and other symbols may spontaneously show up on rocks and other physical objects without being produced by human hands, so they are not just skeptics) and is not portent or anything. One friend scoffed at the idea that it was found in Zuni. To paraphrase him: he thinks that the Pueblo cultures and Tibetans have genetic and cultural ties, but these predate the arrival of Buddhism in Tibet by millenia. Pueblo Indian cultures are not Buddhist, regardless of however much they may share in values.
4. She broadcasts the names of two teachers, who I won't bother to name again and whose names I'll try to edit out of the other post, but doesn't directly say that they are part of her Tibetan-Hopi Prophecy activities. Both my friends have heard of one Rinpoche and agreed that Ruff's claims seemed unlike something this person would subscribe to. For this reason, I decided to take action because I feared that Ruff might be fraudulently representing herself as acting on behalf of this organization, using their name to authenticate her claims.

Ruff asked me not to publish her "personal business all over the Internet", so I've deleted the emails. I'll just summarize the exchange.

Me:

I sent her an email asking her to explain what she meant by a Tibetan "prophecy", what the Tulku title of her son is, since she claims he was recognized (and, though he's not Hopi, he is a link between Tibetan and Hopi cultures), and whether or not the two Rinpoches whose name she mentions on her site where aware of her activities.

Her:
Long email in which she tells me the prophecy is the Padmasambhava, a prayer to Guru Rinpoche that is available in English, transcribed Tibetan and audio recordings all over the Internet. I don't know why she calls it a "prophecy" and she doesn't explain, but, whatever. She does not give me her son's Tulku title, just his English name. It is somewhat strange to me that her son would use an English name, but I've never met a white Tulku before (there are some), so maybe it's a white Tulku thing. She aslo says that she briefs one Rinpoche of everything she says online before she says it. She then included about three photos of herself or this young man who should be her son with both Rinpoches and then began sending me lots of email about a puja in Santa Barbara.

Take home:
It seems possible that the organization and the two Rinpoches involved are aware of Ruff's activities, as she says in the email and are either fine with it or actively supportive of it. Unless I have reason to suspect otherwise, I assume she is being honest on that front and so I will not take further action on the matter.

Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on January 21, 2013, 06:37:30 am
But what about her false claims on the rock? Unless you believe your Tibetan friends to be wrong.. Did you ever hear back from the Rinpoche's on this? Of course, what satisfies you is what satisfies you..
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Odelle on January 21, 2013, 06:19:52 pm
But what about her false claims on the rock? Unless you believe your Tibetan friends to be wrong.. Did you ever hear back from the Rinpoche's on this? Of course, what satisfies you is what satisfies you..

I did not hear back from the Rinpoches' center. So, I just have Ruff's own statements that these people are aware of and condone her using their name for her purposes. My main concern was whether or not Ruff was using these people's names without their permission. She says she's not and that's all I have to go on, right now.

As for all the prophecy stuff and her story of the rock, I don't mean to suggest that I believe any of it. But Tibetan Buddhism is a big, proselytizing religion with a growing number of practitioners in the US. People who encounter her claims about Buddhism have ample opportunity to find out real information on the practice--or to meet real Tibetans and real Buddhist teachers. As long as she doesn't represent herself as a Tulku, or so-and-so's messenger when she is not, she's not committing any cultural crime. In this sense, Tibetan Buddhism is more like Christianity than it is the spiritual beliefs of the Hopi, the other community she claims to represent.

My two friends found her site more humorous than offensive. I doubt they feel like this woman is taking anything from them or their community by promoting herself this way. Certainly, the site is only about promoting herself as special and offers no real message about anything.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on January 22, 2013, 01:50:36 am
That's interesting.. about Tibetan Buddhism being a big, proselytizing religion. Perhaps sects that don't necessary follow it's tradition is. I only know of what the Dalai Lama has to say about that..

"Dalai Lama Criticizes Proselytizing"

"Whether Hindu or Muslim or Christian, whoever tries to convert, it's wrong, not good," the Dalai Lama said after a meeting with the leaders. "I always believe it's safer and better and reasonable to keep one's own tradition or belief."

The Dalai Lama and others signed a statement saying: "We oppose conversions by any religious tradition using various methods of enticement."

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=81617&page=1

And this from a statement issued to the NY Times in 1991:

To the Editor:

We appreciate the attention you have given the many activities celebrating the Year of Tibet. However, one point in your Oct. 11 news article needs clarification.

The purpose of the Year of Tibet is not "to spread Buddhist teaching." None of us concerned with Tibet, and certainly not the Dalai Lama, would wish to proselytize.

We are a concerned group of Christians, Jews, Buddhists and nonbelievers with great respect for Tibetan Buddhism and for Tibet's rich cultural heritage. Our aim is to preserve, not to convert. ELSIE WALKER President, Tibet House New York, Oct. 25, 1991

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/11/09/opinion/l-without-proselytizing-884191.html

Sorry if this is off topic, but I just didn't want to leave this as this, and in case someone stops by they will see an opposing view of proselytizing from the Tibetan Buddhism leader himself.

I think the mish mashers of traditions/religions/spirituality and new agers are the ones who have turned Tibetan Buddhism into the product it apparently is being sold as today. And I just don't believe this Ruff person is some Tibetan and Hopi prophecy keeper or whatever she wishes to call herself.

ETA:  About 40 years ago, when I was a child I read a series of books about life in Tibet. It didn't go into their religions/beliefs. Those were not for public consumption. Somewhere along the way, Tibetan Buddhism has been appropriated and now everyone seems to think they want converted people.. and I keep thinking.. no, that's not how it is, I remember those books and it was clear there that it is not, they have protocols as to who became monks, it wasn't everyone and they never looked to convert *anyone* *ever*.  But here are people telling me no.. they do. Since when? Since being appropriated.

I think about how it's like this for the various Native beliefs.. that people are confused and now think this or that is from this or that Native American belief.. and it's not. But the appropriators have succeeded in making these FALSE things seem TRUE. THIS is the damage caused by appropriation.. and I'm irritated about it.... so SORRY if this is off topic.. but dang it.. I had to say it.. people like this Ruff person are damage makers. They're damaging.

Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Odelle on January 22, 2013, 06:18:47 am
Hi, Critter.

I think I might mean something differently by "proselytize" than either you or the writer who sent out the letter to the NYTimes, but I also frankly think there is something disingenuous about the claim to not proselytize. I do not mean that Tibetan Buddhist teachers pressure or try to coerce people into converting. I meant that Tibetan Buddhism is a religion whose practitioners actively encourage people from other cultures and traditions to become Buddhists. Dozens of books just in English are published every year targeting people who have no previous experience with Buddhism and Tibetan Buddhism. This includes the industrious output of H.H. Dalai Lama. I do not think there is an equivalent effort for, say, Zoroastrainism, a religion that one must be born into, nor does it match the descriptions of what other members on this site give for other religious traditions.

I have, in fact, like millions of other Westerners, received teachings from H.H. Dalai Lama that first required me to take "refuge" before I would be allowed to listen. Taking refuge, at least in the ceremonies in which I participated, includes a pledge to abstain from the practices and places of worship of other religious traditions and also to study and follow certain tenets of Buddhism. I would call this "conversion". I am aware that H.H. Dalai Lama speaks against "converting" people, but I think he has a very narrow definition of proselytization that involves words like "force" or "coercion". This is not a "sect" thing and one of the Rinpoches of which I spoke before is both highly regarded by Tibetans and Westerners and has close and friendly ties to H.H. Dalai Lama. He is also a member of the largest sect in the US. The reason this sect has so many followers here is mainly due to the efforts of one teacher, Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, who in fact repeatedly spoke of a need to spread Buddhism to the West. It is important to remember that, while almost universally popular and beloved, H.H. Dalai Lama religiously represents the Gelukpa Sect, of which he is but one of many teachers and I don't think I have ever encountered a quote from him claiming to represent other sects, or even other teachers. As the de facto representative of the collective interests of the world's Tibetans and as someone who is consciously aware of that fact, he also probably sees a need to separate his own and other teachers' religious activities from those of Christian and Muslim proselytizers.

The very fact that someone like Kymberlee Ruff can show up at a public Buddhist teaching and ask the teacher to make her a student and be instantly granted her wish, marks this as a pretty different tradition than that of indigenous traditions.



Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on January 22, 2013, 07:08:44 am
I believe they open the teachings to anyone as the world changes and people come to learn. I do not believe they "recruit" people. It's quite a different thing to welcome someone seeking than to go and recruit. (I know there are other sects that do actively recruit). Speaking of a "need" to spread to the west, I see this differently. Not as a recruiting method, but as a need, being asked or required of. Language is difficult. But if I see a "need" in the world around me, and I can fill it, then I try to do that. That is a totally different meaning. Nor would I call the "refuge" conversion. If you accept vows to learn a tradition, then what do you need to go to other traditions for? I call it a commitment, an act of meaning what you say, perhaps so not just you, but others can also take you at your word.

Unfortunately, people like Ruff come along and make false claims and write books and make tons of money.

I don't believe Ruff's claims.

And leaving this, as it's gone too far off track from Ruff and her claims.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Defend the Sacred on January 22, 2013, 06:15:12 pm
I think the mish mashers of traditions/religions/spirituality and new agers are the ones who have turned Tibetan Buddhism into the product it apparently is being sold as today. And I just don't believe this Ruff person is some Tibetan and Hopi prophecy keeper or whatever she wishes to call herself.
... ... ...
Somewhere along the way, Tibetan Buddhism has been appropriated and now everyone seems to think they want converted people.
... ... ...
I think about how it's like this for the various Native beliefs.. that people are confused and now think this or that is from this or that Native American belief.. and it's not. But the appropriators have succeeded in making these FALSE things seem TRUE. THIS is the damage caused by appropriation.. and I'm irritated about it.... so SORRY if this is off topic.. but dang it.. I had to say it.. people like this Ruff person are damage makers. They're damaging.

Total agreement, here. There are people who sell and profit off Buddhism. And there are quiet, traditional sects with deep teachings and practices that have nothing to do with the sellouts.

A Buddhist monk who lives under vows of poverty, who (at the request of the heads of their lineage) writes a book to share some of the very basic things, is different from the exploiters. Offering basic information to seekers, who may then choose to explore the Buddhist traditions more deeply, is not the same as aggressively seeking converts.

I would not take Ruff's word, or the word of other Americans or sellouts on any of this. And even if a respected, Tibetan leader comes forward to support Ruff's ridiculous claims... I would look to see if there is money involved. And even if any real Tibetans support her behaviour (as opposed to just being polite and compassionate about her craziness and self-aggrandizement) it doesn't change the fact that she is arrogantly exploiting NDN beliefs (or, outsiders racist fantasies of them). If there are any Tibetans who have been kind to her out of compassion, I humbly suggest they also show compassion for the NDN Peoples who are harmed by Ruff's lies.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Odelle on January 23, 2013, 12:26:16 am
 :)
My point is that Tibetan Buddhism is not in the same position as the Hopi spiritual community. For one thing, there are millions of native Vajrayana believers in the world. For another, a spiritual teacher of Buddhism is a professional teacher. This is the only way they earn their living and most teachers also have to support an entire monastery. In the case of H.H. Dalai Lama, he has also at various points in his career been responsible for significant portions of the budget of the exile community in India. There are many ways to be a professional religious practitioner in Tibetan Buddhism. Some people become monks or nuns, some people become hermits, some people take up more official, managerial capacities and some people become teachers. It is absolutely essential for a teacher to find students, and many teachers in recent years look to non-Tibetans for potential students. This is the way the religion works and has worked. It is not exploitative or immoral. Tibetan Buddhism is an institution. In some places in the world, even within China, it has some resemblance to a government institution. It is also much more immune to the escapades of people like Ruff than, say, Bon practices. It is wrong to call either of these Rinpoches appropriators or messengers of a false Buddhism. As I said earlier, both men have close personal ties to H.H. Dalai Lama and at least one of them is well-known to Tibetans in Tibet and outside and is praised by everyone I have mentioned his name to as not just a good teacher and Buddhist but as a vessel of endangered Tibetan wisdom. He has spent decades of his life receiving traditional teachings, including those that can only be passed down orally, and engaging in essential practices. Much of his wisdom can only be passed to an appropriate student, as such his most important role is perhaps that of a vessel of knowledge. This makes him especially valuable in today's world, since historical events have cut the line of transmission for much of this knowledge. His activities in the west provide income and support for his personal monastery back home, but also other monasteries, and other projects, such as schools and what not. Beyond that, his work as a teacher brings benefit to his students.

I'm not defending Ruff. I think this forum has done a pretty thorough job of showing that she has unhealthy attitudes toward NDN religion, NDN communities and NDN people and that she is exploiting NDN spirituality for personal profit and publicity. I have nothing to add to that conversation. I did, however, have concerns that she was also falsely using the names of Buddhist teachers and their organization and I thought I'd try to do something about it. Since I haven't heard back from the people I was worried she was victimizing, but I have heard back from her and she gave me reason to suspect that, after all, maybe these people do know that she's claiming a connection with them and don't care or, as she suggests, are actually encouraging of it, then that's what I have to report. 

I'm somewhat disappointed by this outcome. I assume that the organization just doesn't realize the negative impact of Ruff's behavior. The organization is run by primarily Tibetan people, I believe, people who were born outside of this country and who do not know its history or the history of Native people here. I doubt that they have had much experience of NDN traditions except through people like Ruff. Ruff has sent me several emails (I finally blocked her from my account) since I first engaged her. All of them read as friendly and enthusiastic and also pretty desperate to win me over. I'm sure she comes off that way in person and no doubt elicits sympathy and concern from people who have been trained from childhood to comfort others. It is possible that these two men are being very kind and supportive to her and have no idea whatsoever of the nature of her activities. I assume this is the case. It is also possible that they themselves believe some of what she says (I doubt this, because if it were true, I'd expect it would show up on their websites and it doesn't.). It is a shame that they end up being associated with Nuage foolishness and, worse, lend legitimacy to Ruff by the use of their name.

I have looked into trying to find other members of the center to see if I can find anything out that way, but I expect that she is pretty peripheral to the actual activities of the organization itself and my investigations will turn up nothing. This is a very large sangha and both Rinpoches almost certainly see thousands of students every year. Some of those people are going to be coming from backgrounds of cultural and spiritual confusion and alienation, such as I imagine is the case with Ruff. Some of these people are like Ruff, either believers of nonsense or else cynical promoters of nonsense for their own profit. But at this late date, no one in the US has any excuse to think that someone like Ruff in any represents Tibetan people, Tibetan culture or Tibetan religion. So, I must believe that people who believe her nonsense about Buddhism CHOOSE to.  I don't think this is the case with her lies about Hopi and Zuni traditions.

I  that she will stop with the Hopi and Zuni nonsense. I feel like she contributes to misperceptions of these communities, but also EVERY NDN community, especially since she uses claims of Cherokee "ethnicity" (a term she picked strategically since she isn't and never will be enrolled) to validate her claims on the religious traditions of totally unrelated people. Non-NDNs who are ignorant of such matters learn un-truths from her. They learn: all NDN cultures are the same. Cherokee, Zuni, Hopi--who cares! It's all interchangeable. They also learn total gibberish that they are told is NDN culture. And they learn that all brown people are mystically connected. White people are left out because, yet again, we're special. Brown people exist to further our needs. If they're not cooperating, it is because they are not "authentic" or they are "selfish". Thankfully, there are some white people who are secretly brown (but, no worries, totally white!) who will bridge the gap for us. Whew! Brown people who criticize these white brown people are jealous or racist or brainwashed.

I get all that, I'm just saying that it's possible that Ruff is not making up her connection to certain Tibetan Buddhist communities and individuals. I hope that these individuals have a positive influence in her life. I hope that Buddhism relieves some of the desperation she feels. I hope that she gets the kind of validation she seeks from trying to be a prophet from her work as a student of Buddhism in a loving and supportive environment and that she stops activities that are NOT beneficial to all beings, that bring sadness and suffering to the people whose cultures she is impersonating and bring ignorance and blindness to the world.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on January 23, 2013, 04:52:30 am
In the past, they were not "professional".. the monks sat daily with their bowls, and the people of the community fed them. Today's world requires something different, especially with China having taken possession of Tibet.

It is not correct to say that the way things work today is how it "has" worked. It is not. Even in that old Kung Fu movie/series.. although appropriating, they show that just because you show up at the door doesn't mean you are accepted into the monastery.

I think the money making of selling books and selling religion is too far spread for them to do much about it, and that they don't have connections with the Hopi people to do anything about that there. But I do think that allowing this woman to use their name in this way is shameful and they have some responsibility to say something in regards to it. Making claims about ones self is not, as far as I've ever known, a Buddhist way.

There is also, as always, cultural differences in how people think. Translating a belief from one cultural way of thought to the western mind or white people, has always seemed to come up with misinterpretation. I do believe being raised within a culture is important in terms of being able to understand what is meant. Western/white people thinking is rough and short. One thing makes them think a little and they build an entire enterprise around it making loads of money and never actually really understand the thought they once had.. it is a flaw in mind.

Who knows what was said that she thinks she understands but doesn't.. and this is the same with the many Native cultures as well.. which is why so many think they can run sweat lodges.. they think they know, because their minds are flawed, their thinking isn't the same as the culture they are stealing from. And they do more damage than good.

What I find saddest is that some of these people had or have a real chance to learn something deeper about their world, others, and their self, but they stop as soon as they think they know and never let go of that.


Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Odelle on January 23, 2013, 06:58:21 am
"Translating a belief from one cultural way of thought to the western mind or white people, has always seemed to come up with misinterpretation."  This is absolutely true. Buddhism as practiced in Tibet is substantially different than Buddhism as practiced by Hinayana or Mahayana countries and Buddhism practiced by Westerners is different, as well.

After all this, I have an update on Kymberlee Ruff:

I heard back from my friend who is involved with the community in Santa Barbara and he has never heard of Ruff or anything about this Tibetan-Hopi Prophecy business. I've mentioned to Ruff that I have this friend and I'll see what her response is to that. I imagine that her connection to this group is pretty important to her. If it turns out that she is lying about having their permission to use their name, she'll hopefully back down if she thinks that she'll be exposed to them.

I agree that it would be a shame if this organization willing contributes to Ruff's cultural appropriation. Somehow I think that, as I said elsewhere, they are an unaware of it. I imagine that no one at the center has seen her website. I also notice that she only mentions the center and the Rinpoches in a couple of places. On radio interviews, I think she just uses the generic "Tibetans"? So she might be being sneaky about it all, after all.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Autumn on March 02, 2013, 01:51:15 am
Not too much of a surprise here, but Betsey Lewis had Kymberlee Ruff on her Blog Talk radio show:  http://www.blogtalkradio.com/rainbowvision/2013/01/24/hopi-and-tibetan-prophecies-by-kymberlee-ruff

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3310.0
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Odelle on March 03, 2013, 07:20:23 am
Forehead smack!

 In her emails to me she seemed to avoid making any claim of having a tulku (reincarnated lama) son. I asked some people in Santa Barbara, where she claims to be active in a Buddhist center, and they hadn't heard of her, so it seems like she's probably not promoting her prophecy-bearing status to the members of that community. In fact, she did not in any way represent herself to me as a teacher or suggest that I try and learn from her or anything. Instead, she suggested that I attend teachings and other events hosted by the center. I still haven't heard back from the center, however.

She seems like a nice person, eager to be liked and really pushing her connection to the two Tibetan teachers in her email. But yet she is promoting herself as a lama, basically. I suspect her motive isn't money so much as a strong drive to be seen as important, useful, valuable, special. She is a racist, in a way, because she views Hopis and Tibetans as not fully human. She also talks as if she thinks that all Hopis or all Tibetans feel and think the same way. Their individuality doesn't matter. They are merely stage props for her fantasy of being a superhero. Even worse, perhaps, she thinks that Hopi and Tibetan culture are interchangeable. And why not, right? I mean, magical elfen indigenous people exist to teach us westerners/white people (aka "the world, humanity," etc.) the errors of our ways. God sent them to earth to do this! To save us (white people), his children.

I'm calling racist bullshit on this one. However, I don't think she's very successful at it, just heavily invested.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Autumn on March 03, 2013, 05:08:31 pm
You make some really good points, Odelle.

There is so much conflict in what Kymberlee Ruff says.  Se has said in prior messages that she does none of this for money and does not use any of this in her counseling practice, but just look at her website:  http://www.kymberleeruff.com/  (Sorry, the website won't allow me to "cut and paste" and I don't know how to do a screen shot).

But if that is not profiting by all this, then what is?

P.S.:  I just realized what I said.  Which is funny, because her specialty is "Conflict Resolution".  Maybe she needs to do some work on herself.

Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Defend the Sacred on March 03, 2013, 08:16:54 pm
just look at her website:  http://www.kymberleeruff.com/  (Sorry, the website won't allow me to "cut and paste" and I don't know how to do a screen shot).

Screen shots attached :)
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Odelle on March 07, 2013, 04:36:26 am
I just asked my friend who is a lineage-bearer and a teacher of Tibetan Buddhism of the Nyingma tradition and he has clarified some things for me. He is telling me not to "scold" this woman because, while her actions may be problematic, she may be coming from good motivations or have something else going on that I don't know about. He also says that I should spend less time obsessing about other people and more time working on myself. I suppose I'm disregarding that here, since I'm going to summarize what he has said below, mostly because I believe that doing so may help people who are looking for a teacher avoid a person who maybe should not be a teacher.

1. Kymberlee is representing herself as being able to teach Shambala. Which Shambala teachings? It doesn't matter, however, since each teaching is part of a lineage and can only be taught by a person who has been "empowered", that is deemed to be suitable in other ways, to act as a teacher of this teaching, and who has been given permission through a ceremony by the holder of that lineage. As a non-Tibetan speaker, Kymberlee almost certainly has not received any such permission (I assume).

2. Mixing Buddhist teachings with Hopi teachings is against the spirit of the Tibetan teachings. This isn't to say that people shouldn't practice how they want, but a teacher should not mix.

As a joke he says, "You don't need to speak on our [Tibetans'] behalf. The Communist Party of China claims to speak on our behalf. CCTV claims to speak on our behalf. There are already plenty of people speaking on our behalf. Let us speak on our own behalf."
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: milehighsalute on May 29, 2013, 05:59:29 pm
my friend joe......a cherokee from oklahoma who grew up cherokee about pissed himself laughing when he heard the term "cherokee dream walker"
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: fynnmckewl on August 24, 2013, 01:47:14 am
My questions are simple?  Why should I believe you? What are your credentials to add validity to your claim that Maria Yraceburu is fake?  Are you Apache?  Which reservation do you live on?  Anyone can accuse anyone else of being fake, but until you can back up your allegations with credible evidence, your accusations remain your personal opinion.  If what you claim is true, then back it up with facts, not conjecture. 
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Laurel on August 24, 2013, 10:25:25 am
Well, fynnmckewl,

You could Google, or do a site search, rather than insisting the world accommodate your request right now. Here's her thread on the board

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1924.0

...and here's an example of how the Apache feel about what she does, or did nine years ago.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.native/KWRrWcMg1oI

I'm not Apache or native. I can still do research. She's on every fraud list I've ever seen, and has been for years. Her name is often associated with the names of other frauds. What about this evidence, and about simple, testable claims like "There are no Quero Apaches," is so outlandish that you can't bring yourself to believe them? Or did you not know of them? Then, again, a search, not a list of demands, might have been a good place to start.

Why do you demand evidence from Apaches when you've either already discarded it or never bothered to look for it? Why should I believe you? What credentials do you have to to add validity to your claim that Maria Yraceburu is anything other than a fake?  Are you Quero Apache?  Which reservation do you live on?  Anyone can claim any scammer is legit, but until you can back up your allegations with credible evidence, your claims remain your personal opinion.  If what you claim is true, then back it up with facts, not conjecture.

Funny how that works both ways.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: educatedindian on August 24, 2013, 04:40:55 pm
My questions are simple?  Why should I believe you? What are your credentials to add validity to your claim that Maria Yraceburu is fake?  Are you Apache?  Which reservation do you live on?  Anyone can accuse anyone else of being fake, but until you can back up your allegations with credible evidence, your accusations remain your personal opinion.  If what you claim is true, then back it up with facts, not conjecture.

Actually I am Apache, and she's as fake as a 3 dollar  bill.
1. To start with her name is not Apache, it's Yaqui, an entirely unrelated people.
2. She doesn't speak any Apache dialect, only a mangled version of Navajo.
3. She uses as symbols animals that are taboo to Apache, someone who was actually Apache would know better.
4. The "Qero Apache" don't exist except in the lies of Ms Naylin.

5. And guess what? The San Carlos Apache denounced her as a fake.

But you would know all of this if you actually looked at the thread on her, and instead came on this unrelated thread.

So tell us, why do you demand reams of proof from Natives, but not from an obvious fake that seems to fit with what you would like to believe?

Have you bought her fake ceremonies? Are you a follower of hers? And if so why did it not occur to you to ask questions like this before? A 2 minute google search would have told you the "Qero Apache" are fakes, don't show up anywhere online except her ceremony selling websites.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: milehighsalute on August 25, 2013, 02:03:15 am
number 5 should be proof enough......to piggyback on that would you call apache elders wrong? how about all apaches as a whole who have no teachings that resemble the BULLSHIT "yraceburu" sells..........its funny how white people would rather learn our culture from another white person pretending to be one of us than an actual skin.....
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Epiphany on August 27, 2013, 02:01:51 am
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Both of my parents are(were my dad passed) Cherokee. I was born in Arkansas.

Above quote is from KR earlier in thread.

Her father Danny Gene Ruff 1931 Arkansas - 2009 Silverdale, Washington http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2009/aug/31/danny-gene-ruff-78/#axzz2d7TUYSZy (http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2009/aug/31/danny-gene-ruff-78/#axzz2d7TUYSZy)

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Family in 1940 census

Name:    Dannie Ruff
Age:    9
Estimated Birth Year:    abt 1931
Gender:    Male
Race:    White
Birthplace:    Arkansas
Marital Status:    Single
Relation to Head of House:    Son
Home in 1940:    Spring, Searcy, Arkansas
Inferred Residence in 1935:    Spring, Searcy, Arkansas
Residence in 1935:    Same House

Household Members:    
Name    Age
S S Ruff    50
Drusilla Ruff    37
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Seth S Ruff (KR's paternal grandfather) 1889 - 1974 Arkansas, white in 1920, 1930, 1940 census. His wife Mary Drucilla (Coatney) Ruff 1903 -1985 Arkansas, white in 1910, 1930, 1940 census.

Seth S Ruff's parents Dr Sparkin Pinckney Ruff and Nancy Elizabeth (Taylor) Ruff.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=28384885 (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=28384885)

Photo of family http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=28384885&PIpi=77582865 (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=28384885&PIpi=77582865)

KR's father's family is well researched. Maybe there is distant NDN heritage but I haven't found any record of that.

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Kymberlee is 1/4 Cherokee Indian. She inherited the lineage of the "Cherokee Dream Walker" from her Cherokee Grandfather.

http://www.sbwellnessdirectory.com/kymberlee-ruff.htm (http://www.sbwellnessdirectory.com/kymberlee-ruff.htm)


Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Epiphany on August 27, 2013, 04:20:39 am
KR's maternal grandfather Arthur Dewey Lewis http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=32890866 (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=32890866) Listed white in 1910, 1920, 1930, 1940 census.

Some people claim that there was an unknown "Cherokee Woman" in this family, born 1775. This would be KR's gr gr gr grandmother's generation. But there is no name given, no records, only a few mangled, messed up, unsourced genealogies that are repeated by many online. Other people working on this genealogy say that there is a lot of misinformation out there. No descendents are listed NDN in census.

I haven't found a "great great grandfather John Byron". Other people working on these family lines list a Harvey Byrum  as one of a great great grandfathers. John Byrum his father. No sign of NDN heritage.



Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Autumn on October 21, 2013, 02:35:56 am
Kymberlee has updated her website.  If this is not profiting from her claims and using them in her therapy practice, then I don't know what is:

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Communication Skills for Conflict Resolution
Individual, Couple, Family, and Group Therapy

My specialty is using Peaceful Conflict Resolution skills. I work with individuals, couples, families and various groups. I believe EMPATHY is the key to understanding and resolving all issues. I have been trained in short and long-term psychotherapy. Whether people are related or just work together I believe that everyone is looking for happiness. In over 30 years in private practice I have found that certain techniques using through wisdom and compassion can help ANY relationship combination.

In these challenging times I have a sliding fee scale so hopefully everyone can afford therapy.

I am presently practicing in Santa Barbara, which has more psychotherapists per capita than any other town in the United States! It is wonderful that the people of our town are so committed to working on their issues. It is part of what makes Santa Barbara so special.
Compassionate Psychotherapy

Having studied many different paradigms over the years, I would describe my therapeutic style as Compassionate Psychotherapy with a spiritual emphasis. I was very fortunate to have mentored under the renowned psychologist, Dr. Irwin Bloom, for 17 years, until he passed away. I also studied for 25 years with the empathic Dr. Marshall Rosenberg, who founded the "Center for Non-Violent Communication," both admiring and practicing his tenets of PEACEFUL CONFLICT RESOLUTION.

I have been a member of the Therapist professional association - CAMFT - since 1986, and was Vice President of CAMFT-SB, and also Chairman of the Ethics Committee for many years. After leaving the Board to get married I had two sons, who have grown up to become incredible teenagers. Having my own children has deepened my appreciation of the need for positive communication.
Multi-Paradigm Psychotherapy in Santa Barbara

I have worked in the field of Psychology for the past 35 years, and was awarded my B.A. from the University of Hawaii, where I was mentored by the acclaimed professor and author Dr. Anthony Marsella. During those early years I received invaluable experience in psychiatric hospitals, from 1978 to 1988. After moving to the mainland to attend graduate school at California Lutheran University, I got my M.S., and was fortunate enough to intern under some of the brightest minds in psychology.

After opening a private practice in Santa Barbara in 1986, I am happy to say that I am still in the same large, sunny office, which is conveniently located downtown. There is a back door for privacy, which opens to a beautiful garden.

Native American Influences on my Therapy

Both of my parents are part Cherokee Indian and I have embraced my ethnicity more as the years go by. I inherited the lineage of the "Cherokee Dream Walker" from my paternal Grandfather. This gift has helped me greatly over the years in working with other people's dreams.
I love working with dreams and studied Jungian Psychology for many years to better understand how to interpret them.

For 20 years I primarily studied the psychoanalytic approach of "Self-Psychology". I found these beliefs and techniques to be a solid foundation for psychotherapy.

In the past 10 years, I have begun branching out and studying the healing therapy techniques of my ancestors and other Indigenous Tribes. I have apprenticed with several Native American Tribes and also studied "The Dream Time" with an Aborigine Elder. I recently received the great honor of teaching with the "13 Indigenous Grandmothers" at the Center for Sacred Studies.

Christian and Tibetan Influences on my Therapy

Many years ago I volunteered at the Crossroads Christian Counseling Center. During the last ten years I have also begun to investigate the complementary teachings of Tibetan Buddhism and integrating their wisdom into my practice. I have taken many classes and initiations with Tibetan Lamas .This has taught me how to have even deeper empathy and compassion for my patients, and for all beings.

Mental Healing and Counseling Methods

I feel very fortunate to have a career that is more rewarding and meaningful as every year passes. My mentor, Dr. Bloom, always used to say: "I have the greatest job in the world!
If you want to read more about the style of  healing I practice, such as Compassionate Healing, Tibetan and Native Traditions, Family and Marriage Counseling, please Go Back to the main menu now, or contact me at the phone or email below.
(Bolding Mine)

http://www.kymberleeruff.com/

Oh, and then there is this.  She added buttons at the top of her website and two of the buttons are for Native Wisdom and Tibetan Wisdom.

Quote
NATIVE AMERICAN COUNSELING WISDOM
Kymberlee Ruff here again. In the last 15 years I have studied extensively the wisdom of the Native Americans and integrated into my practice. My grandfather was Cherokee and I inherited the gift of "Cherokee Dream Walker". I was also adopted into a Hopi family in 2006. I have found the ways of my ancestors to be very helpful. This is a photo of me and Chumash Elder "Fire Keeper" Art Cisneros on Dec. 21, 2012 at a ceremony here in Santa Barbara. Here is an article about the Medicine Wheel and Psychotherapy in  PDF format: Wisdom of the Medicine Wheel

http://www.kymberleeruff.com/nativewisdom.html

Quote
TIBETAN BUDDISM AND PSYCHOTHERAPY
This is Kymberlee Ruff again. I have learned SO much from the Tibetans about empathy and compassion. One of my favorite teachers is His Eminence Garchen Rinpoche. We were lucky enough for him to visit Santa Barbara recently. Garchen Rinpoche was imprisoned by the Chinese Government for 20 years and when he was finally released after years of torture, he was even more compassionate than ever.

http://www.kymberleeruff.com/tibetanwisdom.html
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Odelle on December 01, 2013, 06:30:42 pm
Again??!! smh

thanks for the update, Autumn. The good news is that I see that she is at least not claiming to know a Tibetan prophecy or to speak on behalf of a teacher or lineage. Note that she is now speaking about Garchen Rinpoche, a different lama than the one she was publicly aligning herself with before. I wonder if there's a reason for that?

I suspect that she is now being careful not to represent herself as having a formal connection to any specific Tibetan Buddhist organization, lineage or teaching because people contacted her about it. Has anyone called her out on the Native American stuff yet? I think an email addressing the parts Autumn bolded would probably be enough for her to change the site.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: irasna on April 09, 2014, 06:03:48 pm
Good Afternoon,
I have heard unfortunate news that Hopi Elder Grandfather Martin was in the hospital in recent weeks.  He's very, very old now and I've met him twice, the last time in November 2011 when I drove down to see him and he showed nothing but great kindness towards me.
I'm not Hopi, I'm not Native American but just someone who is deeply concerned for him and hoping to find out if there has been any further news or developments.
Someone posted the information on a Yahoo! thread:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/RUMORMILLNEWS/conversations/topics/64775

and I have no idea how valid it is, but they are calling for donations for GM so that he at least has a bed. I have no hesitation in helping him but I would like to know if these channels are legitimate.
Thank you,
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Autumn on April 09, 2014, 10:26:38 pm
Good Afternoon,
I have heard unfortunate news that Hopi Elder Grandfather Martin was in the hospital in recent weeks.  He's very, very old now and I've met him twice, the last time in November 2011 when I drove down to see him and he showed nothing but great kindness towards me.
I'm not Hopi, I'm not Native American but just someone who is deeply concerned for him and hoping to find out if there has been any further news or developments.
Someone posted the information on a Yahoo! thread:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/RUMORMILLNEWS/conversations/topics/64775

and I have no idea how valid it is, but they are calling for donations for GM so that he at least has a bed. I have no hesitation in helping him but I would like to know if these channels are legitimate.
Thank you,

irasna, the link you posted above is dated over a year ago and the person who wrote it is discussed here on this thread:  http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3574.0
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: educatedindian on April 11, 2014, 12:33:11 am
Since it was Ruff who issued that call, I merged it into the thread on her.

I wouldn't trust anything Ruff says, given her long history of lying. Keep in mind much of what she claims about Martin comes from what she says her dreams told her.

On top of that, the other sources make this even more dubious. Prophecykeepers is a clearing house for frauds, run by Wm Anderson, a white Mormon involved with at least half a dozen fraud groups passing as Cherokee tribes. And the yahoo group is all Nuagers, keeping their group hidden to keep out critics.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: educatedindian on September 15, 2017, 09:25:19 pm
Ruff lost her license in CA. The state board put her on probation and fined her. Not for her falsehoods, her fakelore, or her abusing Native elders. She cheated and abused a client for over a decade and broke confidentiality. 23 pg doc attached, the most relevant parts quoted.

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BEFORE THE BOARD OF BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES DEPARTMENT OF CONSUMER AFFAIRS
STATE OF CALIFORNIA
In the Matter of the Accusation Against:
KYMBERLEE RUFF 1035-A De La Vina Street Santa Barbara, CA 93101
Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist License No. LMFf 21817
Respondent. Case No. 2002016000264 OAH No. 2016120055
DECISION AND ORDER
The attached Stipulated Settlement and Disciplinary Order is hereby adopted by the Board
of Behavioral Sciences, Department of Consumer Affairs, as its Decision in this matter.
This Decision shall become effective on Aug 9 2017....
 
IT IS HEREBY STIPULATED AND AGREED by and between the parties to the aboveentitled
proceedings that the following matters are true....
DISCIPLINARY ORDER
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist License No.
LMFT 21817 issued to Respondent Kymberlee Ruff is revoked. The revocation is stayed and
Respondent is placed on five (5) years probation with the following terms and conditions.
Probation shall continue on the same terms and conditions if Respondent is granted another
registration or license regulated by the Board.
1. Psychological/ Psychiatric Evaluation
Within 90 days of the effective date of this decision, and on a periodic basis thereafter as
may be required by the Board or its designee, respondent shall complete a psychological or
psychiatric evaluation by such licensed psychologists or psychiatrists as are appointed by the
Board....
2. Psychotherapy
Respondent shall participate in ongoing psychotherapy with a California licensed mental
health professional who has been approved by the Board....Counseling shall be at
least once a week unless otherwise determined by the Board....
3. Supervised Practice
....Supervision shall consist of at least one (1) hour per
week in individual face to face meetings. The supervisor shall not be the respondent's therapist.
4. Education
Respondent shall take and successfully complete the equivalency of two (2) semester or
three (3) quarter units in each of the following areas: (i) Boundaries, (ii) Client Confidentiality,
and (iii) Record Keeping....
 5. Law and Ethics Course
Respondent shall take and successfully complete the equivalency of two semester units in
law and ethics....
6. Obey All Laws
Respondent shall obey all federal, state and local laws....respondent shall submit
fingerprints through the Department of Justice and Federal Bureau of Investigation within 30 days
of the effective date of the decision...
7. File Quarterly Reports
Respondent shall submit quarterly reports, to the Board....
8. Comply with Probation Program
Respondent shall comply with the probation program established by the Board...
21. Cost Recovery
Respondent shall pay the Board $8,728.10 as and for the reasonable costs of the
investigation and prosecution of Case No. 2002016000264....

TREATMENT OF PATIENT J.H
7. Respondent saw and treated Patient J.H. from approximately August 2002 until
September 2014. For the first several years, from approximately August 2002 through 2006,
Respondent treated J.H. one to four times per week. J.H. made little to no progress during the
initial years oftreatment. Instead ofterminating the relationship and referring J .H. to another
therapist or program, Respondent continued to treat J.H. when she lacked the knowledge and skill
to competently do so. In fact, from approximately 2007 through 2014, Respondent treated J.H.
two to three times per day, five to seven days per week
. Throughout their relationship,
Respondent also called and sent emails, voicemails, and text messages to J.H. on an increasing
basis, sometimes more than once per day, and many ofwhich were totally unrelated to J .H.'s
treatment. Respondent's treatment plan and frequent contact with J.H. created an intense
dependency with respect to J.H. and blurred the boundaries between Respondent and J.H.
8. At various times throughout the course oftreatment, Respondent purportedly
diagnosed J.H. with multiple conditions, including, but not limited to, generalized anxiety disorder,
paranoid delusional disorder with querulous paranoia, litigious paranoia, persecutory delusional
disorder, erotomanic delusions, stalking syndrome, autistic spectrum disorder, Asperger's
syndrome, paranoid personality disorder with narcissistic and borderline features, and borderline
syndrome. However, Respondent lacked the knowledge and skill that was required to diagnose

J .H. in a proper and timely manner. Respondent also failed to accurately assess the
appropriateness ofher treatment plan and the level oftreatment that was actually needed....
plan to J .H. The plan also failed to include any referrals to other providers or treatment programs.
Since Respondent already fostered a long and harmful relationship oftotal dependency with J.H.,
her actions were or would have likely been experienced as a traumatic abandonment by J.H.
Indeed, shortly after receiving the termination plan, J.H. made suicidal threats to Respondent and
Respondent failed to assess J.H. for her level ofthreat and offer appropriate support and referrals....
After learning in September 2014 ofJ.H.'s changing
finances and inability to pay for ongoing therapy, Respondent abruptly introduced a termination
plan to J .H.
The plan also failed to include any referrals to other providers or treatment programs.
Since Respondent already fostered a long and hannful relationship oftotal dependency with J.H.,
her actions were or would have likely been experienced as a traumatic abandonment by J.H.
Indeed, shortly after receiving the termination plan, J.H. made suicidal threats to Respondent and
Respondent failed to assess J.H. for her level ofthreat and offer appropriate support and referrals.

10. Respondent failed to maintain client confidences. For example, Respondent disclosed
information about other clients to J.H., and mentioned some by name; Respondent disclosed
information about J.H. to third parties, and mentioned J.H. by name; Respondent videotaped and
audio taped sessions with J .H. and shared copies ofthose recordings with third parties; and
Respondent drafted a detailed treatment summary about J.H., which contained personal details
about J.H., her family, and their finances, and shared the summary with third parties.
Respondent
was not authorized to release her clients' information in any ofthese instances.
11. Respondent failed to maintain and retain client records. Although Respondent only
stopped treating J.H. in or around September 2014, Respondent destroyed J.H.'s entire treatment
file, which consisted ofthousands ofpages ofnotes, before the end ofDecember 2014.
....
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: James1 on September 18, 2017, 05:57:05 pm
Educatedindian,

Thank you for posting this following my contacting you.

I have attached the entire document, which, by the way is a matter of public record. I am willing to reveal that I am the client,
J.S. referred to in the Document the BBS acknowledged Kym's original Breach of my Confidentiality in 1989. I was a therapist at the time, and her fabricated and defamatory stories about me as her client (claiming a Tarasoff situation), to cover her Breach, the BBSE used against me as a therapist and took away my licence. Obviously, without investigating her statements or false police report, they had no way of knowing she had lied to them. However, now, today, 27 years to the day since that betrayal, and bungling, the truth prevails, I have prevailed, and justice has prevailed.

Part of the recent fraud Kym committed was to post a picture of herself and my friend, Art Cisneros, a Chumash Elder, on her website. It was removed at Art's request, however, the BBS was alerted first, and ruled the fraud.

I can tell you I suffered years of Kym's continued lies about me, in my own community. However, I was fortunate to have a loving and supporting community of friends and associates whose testimony was given, heard and acknowledged, and absolutely countered years of lies. Now I'm free. Today is, ironically the 27 year anniversary of when my life as I knew it at that time ended. And the beautiful, loving life I have now, began. It truly is the Hero's Journey. Let us celebrate love, and courage, community, and the matrix from which we come, and return, Mother Earth, my connection, our connection; the Great Mother.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Sparks on September 19, 2017, 12:21:28 am
Ruff lost her license in CA. The state board put her on probation and fined her.
KYMBERLEE RUFF 1035-A De La Vina Street Santa Barbara, CA 93101
Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist License No. LMFf 21817
Respondent. Case No. 2002016000264 OAH No. 2016120055
DECISION AND ORDER
The attached Stipulated Settlement and Disciplinary Order is hereby adopted by the Board
of Behavioral Sciences, Department of Consumer Affairs, as its Decision in this matter.
This Decision shall become effective on Aug 9 2017....
[…]
DISCIPLINARY ORDER
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist License No.
LMFT 21817 issued to Respondent Kymberlee Ruff is revoked.
The revocation is stayed and
Respondent is placed on five (5) years probation with the following terms and conditions.

My emphasis in above quote. So she lost her License No. LMFT 21817 as of August 9, 2017. Her website does not reflect that fact as of today, almost six weeks later:

Quote from: http://www.kymberleeruff.com/
Licensed Psychoterapist
Since 1986
#21817

I had to enter the text in that quote manually, because most of the front page is a PNG file shown below. (I have archived it with today's date to my Mac in case it disappears from the Internet.)

Shouldn't this be reported to the proper authority in CA?

(http://www.kymberleeruff.com/ruffsitecut.png)
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Piff on September 19, 2017, 02:20:23 am
Kymberlee Sue Ruff, LMFT 21817

Complaints can be done here online: https://www.breeze.ca.gov/datamart/complaint.do?applicationId=1

For the board choice, choose California Board of Behavioral Sciences


Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Piff on September 19, 2017, 02:29:36 am
Actually that online complaint system does not look helpful.

The license look up is here: https://www.breeze.ca.gov/datamart/mainMenu.do;jsessionid=C_yIYABrk1ri_wuPjEHGH2BYOFY-RKQwYTTHVZXw.dca-fp-98-o-01

Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Sparks on September 19, 2017, 03:01:49 am
Kymberlee Sue Ruff, LMFT 21817

Complaints can be done here online: https://www.breeze.ca.gov/datamart/complaint.do?applicationId=1

For the board choice, choose California Board of Behavioral Sciences

I managed to file a complaint about her website claiming she is still a Licensed Psychotherapist. I just skipped all questions that were not applicable and clicked "Next". The lookup system inside there filled in her complete name and address as soon as I entered the license number. I gave them her site's URL and also added (as an attachment) the PNG file shown in my preceding post.

Quote from: https://www.breeze.ca.gov/datamart/complaintComplete.do?applicationId=1
Completed
Your complaint has been submitted. If you have questions or would like to follow-up on the status of your complaint, you can access the Board/Bureau/Committee's contact information via their website (List of DCA Board/Bureau/Committee Websites). Press "Return" to return to the DCA BreEZe Home Page.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Sparks on September 19, 2017, 03:15:00 am
I managed to file a complaint about her website claiming she is still a Licensed Psychotherapist.
[.…]
I gave them her site's URL and also added (as an attachment) the PNG file shown in my preceding post.

I also told them that the reason for my complaint is that her License No. LMFT 21817 was revoked as of August 9, 2017.

I look forward to check if Ms. Ruff's website changes in the near future.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: James1 on September 19, 2017, 12:25:11 pm
Sparks,

I used to work as a therapist, I am the former client, J.S. in the BBS document; Kym's lies about me as her client cost me the loss of my license and livelihood. I have checked with several of the legal team, people representing the legal team with the BBS, and Emily Wada of the Attorney General's office regarding Ms. Ruff's license being Revoked; she is still allowed to practice, but she is on probation for 5 years, has to be in therapy, submit to a psych eval., be supervised, report that she is on probation, remove false statements and claims from her website, pay for the cost of the investigation and her psych eval, and meet other conditions. IF she violates her probation, based on the terms and conditions of the BBS, she will then lose her licence. Essentially, she is "walking on eggshells"; I like to think in terms of "putting her feet to the fire". For  me, it's been a 27 year journey. No one can know what hell my ex-wife and I suffered. We had just gotten married, and we had to leave Santa Barbara, our friends and family, we were broke, no honeymoon, the stress was unbearable and, my wife almost died. But, we prevailed, we are friends, happy, and now, the wheel of Karma is slowly, ever so slowly turning for Ms. Ruff. So, any evidence of fraud, false advertising, any violations of her probation need to be, and should be reported. Meanwhile, to keep her license she will need to pass a psych eval, be deemed "fit to practice" by her therapist, essentially meet ALL of the terms and conditions of her probation. It's poetic; she has been given an opportunity to "lance herself on her own petard"..........
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: educatedindian on September 19, 2017, 12:27:10 pm
I also filed complaints with LinkedIn and Psychology Today since both still list her as in good standing. Others can do the same.

Just about every other site on her is Nuage. Posting on their sites, in comment sections etc, about her license being pulled can shoot down her claims more than trying to explain to twinks her lies about NDNs.

Thanks for coming forward James, and for all you've done to expose her and end the harm she does.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: James1 on September 19, 2017, 12:52:03 pm
educatedindian,

Thank you for your diligence, and support. I know of several other clients she's harmed, and, who sued her for malpractice and won. I'm glad I took the higher road, I've never communicated with Kym since 1989. I did file numerous complaints with the BBS but they went nowhere, because, as I was to eventually learn from people who knew me, Kym was spreading lies, and told the the BBS that I was a "rapist and child molester". Imagine hearing that. I've never harmed anyone. It was like a knife to my heart, and, worse, I could do nothing to stop her. But now, it's all history; Kym is powerless, worse, the prisoner of a prison she alone has created. I am free, going to the sierras this week, while I get to think of Kym taking that slow, unstoppable ride into purgatory..............
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Sparks on April 17, 2020, 01:35:49 am
I look forward to check if Ms. Ruff's website changes in the near future.

There are no changes as of today. This seems to be the explanation:

I have checked with several of the legal team, people representing the legal team with the BBS, and Emily Wada of the Attorney General's office regarding Ms. Ruff's license being Revoked; she is still allowed to practice, but she is on probation for 5 years, has to be in therapy, submit to a psych eval., be supervised, report that she is on probation, remove false statements and claims from her website, pay for the cost of the investigation and her psych eval, and meet other conditions. IF she violates her probation, based on the terms and conditions of the BBS, she will then lose her licence.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: James1 on April 17, 2020, 03:06:40 am
Sparks,

As of this date, 4/16/20, Kym is still practicing. Two years ago I filed another complaint against Kym with the BBS. This time they conducted a full investigation and ruled that: 1. Kym had broken my confidentiality 1989, filed false police reports against me a several other clients (one of those clients prevailed in a lawsuit against Kym for Fraud and Malpractice), she also committed fraud on her website, and that she "intentionally meant to cause harm to her clients'.
The document on the BBS website can be found here: https://search.dca.ca.gov/details/2001/LMFT/21817/de8286b9e253fe9991c78df33ff2c08c.
I was horrified to see that all the BBS did is put her on probation, and levied several other sanctions, and, has allowed her to CONTINUE TO PRACTICE.
I wrote the BBS and Emily Wada regarding the continued harm she could/would perpetuate against her future clients, but, they did not reply. I also wrote a letter to Kym outlining the list of harm and damages she caused me, asking for an apology; no reply. In my opinion, the damage and harm that Kym has perpetuated, and the fact that the BBS allows her to continue to practice, highlights how broken and dysfunctional the system really is. Worse, that the BBS is tasked with the responsibility to protect the welfare of the community; they have failed miserably. The BBS also took my license based on the heresy statements Kym had made, this came out in the end, however, no one ever apologized to me for their huge travesty of justice and violations of my right to due process. I felt I gained some closure, and with that, I was able to put it all behind me and get with my life. As we know, these injustices happen all the time, and the only thing we can do is acknowledge that the system really is very broken, and, make our choice to be happy in spite of it all.   
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Flower on June 15, 2020, 11:17:26 pm
Hi Everyone. I was directed to this site when I reached out to a friend about the damage I believe Kymberlee is doing in the therapy setting. I have personal experience with her. She isolated people who are going to her for help with their issues. She fosters dependency on her, and provides harmful guidance. I have watched her slowly and methodically make two people very close to me, worse. I've watched them become more isolated, more closed off from their family and friends, and more dependent upon her, paying lots of money to see her multiple times a week. After 10 years, when your therapy is not helping someone, a good therapist refers out. She is really a terrible and twisted person. I read the entire case for which she was sued, and found guilty resulting in her current probation. I filled a complaint with the Bbs as well. She is very manipulative, and rather than create a safe space for people to address their issues, she pits people against each other and creates an environment of shame and makes threats. Once I dug further and saw that she was claiming all this total bologna about her son being the link between prophecies, are you kidding? That is such a crazy thing to say. Equally crazy is her saying she uses gift of the "Cherokee dream walker" in her therapy. I don't think you are allowed to provide therapies like this to clients, especially ones already struggling to get mental and emotional help. The last thing anyone in her "care" needs, is to be convinced she is some spiritual prophecy keeper, authorized to share a message. Is she lying, or does she really believe she is actually part Cherokee? Her parents/grandparents, per the Census, are listed white. She is full of it.  I have never posted on a message board in my life. When I was directed to this, I immediately made an account to share what I know. Any info anyone has to help me in my complaint and get my loved ones the hell away from her would be awesome. Thank you all.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: James1 on June 16, 2020, 12:28:21 am
Flower, to all of you who have posted regarding Kym Ruff.

In the recent decision by the BBS that Kym committed 8 violations, including Malpractice, I am the client named "Jim S." I filed my complaint for the 20th time, this time I won. I am going public with all of you. Yet. as we all see, Kym was placed on probation, supervision, and continue her tyranny of hatred, deception, narcissism, and sociopathic behavior masked as a therapist.  I wrote Kamala Harris, the Governor, the President of the BBS; shocked they they have sanctioned Kym to continue to cause harm, using her license as the cloak. Allowing a live bomb in the neighborhood, and, they put a camera on the bomb (Kym is being supervised, which means nothing) So, instead of removing the bomb, they will have a camera on the bomb, and know when it blew up. I am stepping up to provide information and support. I was a therapist, and a client of Kym. When I confronted her for Breach of Confidentiality, she called the BBS immediately, I didn't know, told lies about me to protect her license. The BBS came into my practice and took everything from me. Imagine. I live in Ojai, CA. you can reach me at:
mail@n-systems.net or (805) 403-4785. This insane woman needs to be stopped, NOW.
James Smallwood
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: James1 on June 16, 2020, 12:56:34 am
To All,

Kym is violating the terms of her probation. This would be enough for the BBS to pull her license.

We need people to step up; names, what happened, violations on her web page.

Mabye a group lettre to the BBS President, Kamala Harris, Attorney General, and Govenor.

In 1989 when Kym lied about me as her client, to protect her own license, the BBS came into my practice and took MY license.
I lost everything. However, in the recent BBS ruling, the BBS admitted she did in fact break my confidentially in 1989. However, they never apologized for their huge blunder, or violations of my right to due process.

Jim Smallwood
(805) 403-4785
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Sparks on June 16, 2020, 03:03:05 am
Her website … as of today, almost six weeks later:
Quote from: http://www.kymberleeruff.com/
Licensed Psychoterapist
Since 1986
#21817

I had to enter the text in that quote manually, because most of the front page is a PNG file shown below. (I have archived it with today's date to my Mac in case it disappears from the Internet.)

Shouldn't this be reported to the proper authority in CA? [IMAGE WITHHELD IN THIS QUOTE]

I now realize that the image shown is not static, it will change if there is a change on the site linked to. That's the way it was in 2017 (I checked my archived, PDF version), and that's the way it looks right now. However, it will change according to whatever happens to be the image on that front page in the future. (I hope someone can make a screenshot and post it here in this thread, that's beyond my technical skills.)

Defend the Sacred preserved another, very different version of that front page in 2013. Look at the first picture here:

just look at her website:  http://www.kymberleeruff.com/  (Sorry, the website won't allow me to "cut and paste" and I don't know how to do a screen shot).

Screen shots attached :)

All the other pages at http://www.kymberleeruff.com/ are marked "Kymberlee Ruff, MFT © 2013".

Her claims about Native American ancestry were quoted by Autumn in 2013 (check that post):

Kymberlee has updated her website.  If this is not profiting from her claims and using them in her therapy practice, then I don't know what is:

They seem identical as of today, except this short page, which now reads:

Quote from: http://www.kymberleeruff.com/nativewisdom.html
NATIVE AMERICAN COUNSELING WISDOM
Kymberlee Ruff here again. In the last 15 years I have studied extensively the wisdom of the Native Americans and integrated into my practice. My grandfather was Cherokee and I inherited the gift of "Cherokee Dream Walker".I was also adopted into a Hopi family in 2006.

[Photo caption: "Kymberlee Ruff and Native Wisdom Teacher".]
 
Kymberlee has studied the Peaceful Ways of the Hopi with her adoptive Grandfather Martin Gashweseoma.
 
Here is an article about the Medicine Wheel and Psychotherapy in PDF format: Wisdom of the Medicine Wheel

The sentence I bolded has been added. For other changes, compare Autumn's quote in 2013.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: Sparks on June 16, 2020, 03:45:58 am
I now realize that the image shown is not static, it will change if there is a change on the site linked to. That's the way it was in 2017 (I checked my archived, PDF version), and that's the way it looks right now. However, it will change according to whatever happens to be the image on that front page in the future. (I hope someone can make a screenshot and post it here in this thread, that's beyond my technical skills.)

Since I downloaded the whole site both in 2017 and right now, I looked inside and found that the file name is "ruffsitecut.png", and it was created on December 9, 2015.
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: James1 on June 16, 2020, 12:54:34 pm
[

Shouldn't this be reported to the proper authority in CA? [IMAGE WITHHELD IN THIS QUOTE][/quote]

I now realize that the image shown is not static, it will change if there is a change on the site linked to. That's the way it was in 2017 (I checked my archived, PDF version), and that's the way it looks right now. However, it will change according to whatever happens to be the image on that front page in the future. (I hope someone can make a screenshot and post it here in this thread, that's beyond my technical skills.)

Defend the Sacred preserved another, very different version of that front page in 2013. Look at the first picture here:

just look at her website:  http://www.kymberleeruff.com/  (Sorry, the website won't allow me to "cut and paste" and I don't know how to do a screen shot).

Screen shots attached :)

All the other pages at http://www.kymberleeruff.com/ are marked "Kymberlee Ruff, MFT © 2013".

Her claims about Native American ancestry were quoted by Autumn in 2013 (check that post):

Kymberlee has updated her website.  If this is not profiting from her claims and using them in her therapy practice, then I don't know what is:

They seem identical as of today, except this short page, which now reads:

Quote from: http://www.kymberleeruff.com/nativewisdom.html
NATIVE AMERICAN COUNSELING WISDOM
Kymberlee Ruff here again. In the last 15 years I have studied extensively the wisdom of the Native Americans and integrated into my practice. My grandfather was Cherokee and I inherited the gift of "Cherokee Dream Walker".I was also adopted into a Hopi family in 2006.

[Photo caption: "Kymberlee Ruff and Native Wisdom Teacher".]
 
Kymberlee has studied the Peaceful Ways of the Hopi with her adoptive Grandfather Martin Gashweseoma.
 
Here is an article about the Medicine Wheel and Psychotherapy in PDF format: Wisdom of the Medicine Wheel

The sentence I bolded has been added. For other changes, compare Autumn's quote in 2013.
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Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: James1 on June 16, 2020, 03:49:27 pm
To Sparks and All regarding Kym Ruff,

Kym is making false claims.
She is also supposed to inform clients she is on probation.

She is violating the terms of her probation which is cause for the BBS to take her license. PLEASE FILE YOUR COMPLAINTS with the Board of Behavioral Sciences. You can get the complaint form and instructions here:

Here is the link to the BBS: https://www.bbs.ca.gov/consumers/consumer_complaints.html

Here is the link to the form: https://www.bbs.ca.gov/pdf/forms/comp-2a.pdf

Thank you,
James1

James Smallwood
mail@n-systems.net
Title: Re: Kymberlee Ruff
Post by: James1 on July 03, 2020, 06:59:46 pm
Hello All,
Just to reiterate, I've known Kym since 1989, when I was a client. I was instrumental in the recent BBS rulings against her for having comitted 8 violations including Fraud. What is obvious is Kym has fabricated a whole history of having Native American ancestry, etc., etc. The reason is because her real life and family history is absolutely horrendous. It so happens that Kym was originally from Hawaii, and, that HER FATHER WAS A MOB BOSS FOR THE HAWAIIAN MAFIA. I believe this is where she learned the sociopathic, narcissistic, and monstrous ways she treats her clients. I would invite any one of you to follow up. I happen to know this because I learned quite allot about Kym from my own investigations and from a former co-therapist of hers who used to facilitate therapy groups with her. So, Kym MUST stick to her fabricated life; the truth is way too unfathomable for her to even deal with.
James Smallwood