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General => Frauds => Topic started by: miss_spitfire on August 28, 2008, 08:41:48 pm

Title: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: miss_spitfire on August 28, 2008, 08:41:48 pm
I'm in San Diego and got this on a list which is actually not related to NDN subjects at all. I searched here and see people feel she is a fraud but I would like to know the facts behind that. Granted, she looks like a fraud. She claims to be a 'Native American Ceremonialist' and charges a lot of money for tuition and training for this:

http://www.yraceburu.org/Festival_Dead.html

Who is Maria Yraceburu? I understand there is no Quero Apache tribe, and this is what she claims to be.

Thanks ahead of time.

~Miss Spitfire
Title: Re: Maria Yraceburu
Post by: Superdog on August 28, 2008, 09:15:43 pm
Here's a review of her book.  From the names associated with this and just with that one page...this one's a no brainer.

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The White Mountain Apache Say She's a Fraud, July 15, 2008
By  LakotaGulfWarParatrooper (San Diego) - See all my reviews

The White Mountain Apache nation says Maria Naylin (her real name) is a fraud. Yraceburu is not even an Apache name, it's Yaqui. The White Mountain nations say that nothing she claims is anything close to Apache tradition, and they have no record of her enrolled and no one had ever heard of her until they received many complaints about her. The tribal offices also tried to get her to quit using the White Mountain tribal seal without their permission.

Her main concern is to make money over in California, far away from the people she falsely claims are her own. She also has her partner, a Gypsy woman, falsely claiming to be an Apache healer.

One of the people Naylin says trained her, "Rolling Thunder", was a white man claiming to be "Chickamauga Cherokee" who sold ceremonies in Europe and set up a commune for white hippies in a Nevada brothel. She claims training by another fraud, Twyla Nitsch, who is a woman with a small amount of Seneca blood kicked off the reservation for being a ceremony seller. Naylin also claims to have been trained in Kahuna. Kahuna is a white exploiter's false version of Hawaiian traditions.

She falsely claims to be "Quero Apache," a tribe that does not exist. The Quero are a tribe in South America with many false claims made by them by New Age charlatans, no relation to the Apache.

Think of this book as pure fantasy, not anything to do with actual Apache tradition.

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BTW
Her "Snake Clan" lineage...also another red flag.  Apaches don't have clans.

Superdog
Title: Re: Maria Yraceburu
Post by: ndn_proud on August 28, 2008, 09:49:03 pm

BTW
Her "Snake Clan" lineage...also another red flag.  Apaches don't have clans.

Superdog

"Apache" certainly do have Clans, contact any of the Apache agencies, also see the articles at:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/apache/clans.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/apache/whitemtn.htm
http://www.eacourier.com/articles/2007/01/10/local_news/news07.txt
http://www.jqjacobs.net/southwest/apache.html

as well as an article on "jster" called:
"The Western Apache Clan System: Its Origins and Development by Charles R. Kaut"

  This is not to say that I think for a second this woman is legit!!!  Just clearing up the clan issue.
Be well
Title: Re: Maria Yraceburu
Post by: Superdog on August 28, 2008, 10:15:25 pm
Your right ndn....my post sucked...

I should have said "Apaches don't have animal clans", but back to the subject. 

Maria is a well-known fraud.  There is no such tribe as "Quero Apache" and certainly the ideas she's selling in her books are not authentic.  You can find a lot of the same concepts in Asian philosophies...the rest is just a romantic dressing that will sell books. 
Title: Re: Maria Yraceburu
Post by: miss_spitfire on August 29, 2008, 12:15:22 am
Well between this first post I made- which was was my first choice to ask at- and now, I did more research and ended up responding, and figured anything else that comes up here will be good to add if I need to.

Thank you so much, this is the most helpful, knowledgeable board.

I basically responded to the post on the list with a basic rundown of what I learned of her, which is basically what I see here now, as well as mentioning this site and to check the index for a really good guideline for what is out there and how to avoid being taken.

I'm really sick of these people... they make promises of enlightenment, and yeah people can be gullible, but people who haven't learned yet... they get all 'I'm an Indian now" and then head to the powwow and tell everyone what they've learned, and someone there has to break it to 'em... they've wasted their money on lies. I'm sick of seeing these people break hearts and steal money. They really piss me off.


Thanks again!
Title: Re: Maria Yraceburu
Post by: miss_spitfire on August 29, 2008, 06:41:15 pm
Unfortunately, the person I responded to on the list did not get it at all. Her response included:

"Quero' is Maria's word for the people that existed prior to the Apache, before the split
into so many different tribes throughout the region, used as a sort of reference to an even
older way of life."

The poster also asked what NDN means too.


Well I tried, and at least others on the list can see the info about Maria and make an informed decision.

ETA- I replied to her thusly:

NDN is a way many indigenous people in the US and Canada identify
themselves, as an alternate to 'Indian' or 'Native American.' The
Quero already are a tribe, incidentally, in South America, and have no
relation to the Apache. Another problem which is evidenced in your
reply is the use of the word Shamanism. Native traditions are often
called Shamanism, but actual Native people with first hand knowledge
of medicine ways do not use the word.

I would urge you to read the home page of
http://www.newagefraud.org/index.html ; it could at least give you a
better understanding. Your reply was well thought out, but illustrates
exactly what most people say to justify cultural appropriation and
theft. People's guts fool them when their minds are filled with
misinformation. "There are more than two hundred impostors out there
posing as Cherokee medicine people alone. Multiply that by five
hundred Native nations in the US, and add on the exploiters who abuse
or lie about practices of Latin America's Indians, and you get an idea
of the sheer, massive scope of the problem." -- from NAFPS.org

Well anyway, I tried. Fact is your reply illustrated exactly the
problems people in the Native world are trying to fix. But I've said
what I can. I'll say no more on this subject. It's with a heavy heart
I watch people go on defending this kind of 'Native American'
spiritualism.

~kk


I've urged to look at this forum, and hope she does.
Title: Re: Maria Yraceburu
Post by: chiefytiger on September 03, 2008, 12:42:28 pm
Spitfire Im sure now that you know the truth and what ever it  need to stop these ppls who claim to be of certain tribes ,Its a struggle and it hurts the true Natives of who they really are ,  Is there an email address ,si i can send a message to stop w/my opinion
Chiefytiger
Title: Re: Maria Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on May 24, 2011, 03:55:57 am
She's still active. http://www.yraceburu.org/Programs.html (http://www.yraceburu.org/Programs.html) Watched her video, horrible stuff.

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My grandfather, Ten Bears, was a well respected holy man.
quote source: http://newagejournal.com/2007/quero-apache-teachings (http://newagejournal.com/2007/quero-apache-teachings)

http://www.yraceburu.org/Family_Lineage.html (http://www.yraceburu.org/Family_Lineage.html)
Title: Re: Maria Yraceburu
Post by: snorks on May 24, 2011, 05:13:43 pm
She is on Facebook as Yraceburu EarthWisdom.  Her wall is open for reading.
http://www.facebook.com/tsilsoose

According to several sources on her website and Internet, she was struck by lightening a few years back, and had to curtail some of her activity. 

She also trying to seek to buy a property called Taanaashkaada Sanctuary
"The Taanaashkaada Coalition and Yraceburu EarthWisdom are dedicated to the establishment of the sustainable community venture Taanaashkaada Sanctuary where a retreat and healing center, eco-village and wilderness preserve shall provide the staging grounds for an experiential, co-created, traditional earth life model in land regeneration, public education, community cooperative financial venue, and indigenous life structure."

http://www.yraceburu.org/Taanaashkaada_Sanctuary.html

I take this to mean she is setting a retirement home for herself much like B.Medicine Eagle tried with EarthHeart.
Title: Re: Maria Yraceburu
Post by: educatedindian on May 25, 2011, 07:27:12 pm
Amazingly mangled history she claims. Supposedly her great grandfather was Massai, who was with Geronimos band. Nope, Masai (one S not two) was one of the scouts who pursued Geronimo. Most of the words she uses seem to be mangled Navajo. And of course theres her claiming a clan lineage of an animal thats actually traditionally taboo. Not to mention the Yaqui last name...

If she were at all sincere theres plenty of people on White Mountain rez who could use help. Instead she heads off to build a twinkie retreat in the twinkie friendly areas of New Mexico.
Title: Re: Maria Yraceburu
Post by: milehighsalute on April 05, 2013, 08:02:37 pm
http://www.yraceburu.org/sfevents.html
Title: Re: Maria Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on August 25, 2013, 03:25:47 pm
More on her claimed training:

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TRADITIONAL EDUCATION:
Quero Apache Snake Clan Tradition, Grandfather Juan Ten Bears Yraceburu, 1960-1972
Chiricahua Apache Tradition, Grandfather Philip Cassadore, 1967-1972
Shoshone/Cherokee Tradition, Grandfather Rolling Thunder, 1972-1973
Sioux Tradition, Grandfather Matthew King, 1973
Seminole Tradition, Grandfather Buffalo Jim, 1973
Seneca Tradition, Grams Twylah Nitsch, 1994-1996
Hawaiian Tradition, Aunty Happy Pahia, 2007-ongoing

http://web.archive.org/web/20080729033946/http://www.yraceburu.org/Yraceburu.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20080729033946/http://www.yraceburu.org/Yraceburu.html)

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EarthWisdom began it's life in 1972 with the Native American Students Associate at Ohlone College in Fremont, California with a handful of young and enthusiastic natives, joining with the American Indian Movement and working toward Native American Studies programs in the university system.  From there it evolved into the Miniority Students Alliance, and became all encompassing.  Ecopsychology was born from the work done at this time.

The group evolved into Two Lights Medicine Wheel Society and hosted gatherings that featured Elders teaching the ancient ways of healing and spirituality.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080729234315/http://www.yraceburu.org/Tlish_Diyan.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20080729234315/http://www.yraceburu.org/Tlish_Diyan.html)

She has said she was born 1954, Downey, CA. Her sons have the last name Tucker. I've found her probable birth date, but not much more than that, wonder if her birth surname is actually Naylin or if it is spelled differently.
Title: Re: Maria Yraceburu
Post by: educatedindian on August 25, 2013, 06:10:15 pm
More on her claimed training:

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TRADITIONAL EDUCATION:
Quero Apache Snake Clan Tradition, Grandfather Juan Ten Bears Yraceburu, 1960-1972
Chiricahua Apache Tradition, Grandfather Philip Cassadore, 1967-1972
Shoshone/Cherokee Tradition, Grandfather Rolling Thunder, 1972-1973
Sioux Tradition, Grandfather Matthew King, 1973
Seminole Tradition, Grandfather Buffalo Jim, 1973
Seneca Tradition, Grams Twylah Nitsch, 1994-1996
Hawaiian Tradition, Aunty Happy Pahia, 2007-ongoing

http://web.archive.org/web/20080729033946/http://www.yraceburu.org/Yraceburu.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20080729033946/http://www.yraceburu.org/Yraceburu.html)

Those might sound impressive to people who don't know better.
Qeros-as said before, don't exist, and there is no snake clan since snakes are a big taboo.
RT-fake, supposed Cherokee, married into Shoshone but never one. Covered in many other threads.
Nitsch-another Nuage fake covered in many threads.
Pahia is one of the kahuna frauds, probably needs her own thread.

Very conveniently for Naylin, the Seminole elder has passed on, and was 85 when she claims to have been trained by him. Seemingly she was supposedly trained by him at the same time as two others. It might have been all of listening to stories for a few months or weeks since he was known to tell stories to many people.

Phil Cassadore has also long since passed on. Pretty despicable she would claim his endorsement since he was very traditional and widely known, as is all the family. He brought back the kinaalda on San Carlos, and his sister led the effort against a telescope on Mt Graham.

Problem is, she claims he's Chiricahua. He lived on San Carlos, northern AZ. The Chiricahua are mostly at Ft Sill in OK.
And when she claims to be trained by him is also when Cassadore was pretty busy with a run for president in 72.

The King family are pretty well known. I can't imagine him actually training her. And really why would she be going to any of these medicine people of unrelated tribes? Esp since what she teaches doesn't resemble any of their traditions.
Title: Re: Maria Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on August 26, 2013, 03:04:24 am
Her web presence tends to change quickly, pages come and go, unfortunately not everything has been captured by the Wayback Machine.

One of her sons Jason Tucker is currently on her site listed as a "Traditional Apache Healer". http://www.yraceburu.org/beams-of-support.html (http://www.yraceburu.org/beams-of-support.html). The "Apache Healing" page has a photo of something being laid along a person's back, is that a snake skin? http://www.yraceburu.org/tlish-diyan.html (http://www.yraceburu.org/tlish-diyan.html)

Title: Re: Maria Yraceburu
Post by: Diana on August 26, 2013, 03:52:50 am
Her web presence tends to change quickly, pages come and go, unfortunately not everything has been captured by the Wayback Machine.

One of her sons Jason Tucker is currently on her site listed as a "Traditional Apache Healer". http://www.yraceburu.org/beams-of-support.html (http://www.yraceburu.org/beams-of-support.html). The "Apache Healing" page has a photo of something being laid along a person's back, is that a snake skin? http://www.yraceburu.org/tlish-diyan.html (http://www.yraceburu.org/tlish-diyan.html)

OMG! That is a snake skin. What is the matter with people. Here's a quote from their web site "stimulation of tlish'intin (snake lines) to activate the cellular memory for release of anything that doesn’t serve you." Snake lines! I know they're making this shit up. :o
Title: Re: Maria Yraceburu
Post by: Autumn on August 27, 2013, 02:36:32 am
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It will be challenging and rewarding

http://www.yraceburu.org/tlish-diyan.html

It will be challenging for you, and rewarding for them (3 hours for $240)  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Maria Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 15, 2014, 06:19:12 pm
Her current site: http://www.yraceburu.org/ (http://www.yraceburu.org/)

TAA-NAASH-KAA-DA SANCTUARY COALITION, LLC was incorporated in 2011 New Mexico, looks like it still exists
YRACEBURU EARTHWISDOM in N.M. is a domestic nonprofit, not in good standing, looks like they've not filed required paperwork in a few years

I'm uploading a letter she wrote to her coalition members in August 2014. I found this through a public online Google search, this is publicly available.

Several things are very concerning. She writes "my depression over lack of community here overcame my work capacity and my desire to do so" - this really reminds me of destructive group leaders I've known in the past. They all blame others, they don't take personal responsibility.

She writes of Phil's initiation retreat, I believe she is speaking of Roque "Phil" Chavez. She refers to Phil as a member of her  "Yraceburu Extended Family", this is the only Phil on that list. She says that Phil's girlfriend had a "psychotic break" during this event and attacked several people including Maria and her partner Lynda. She says Phil left the coalition and stopped contact with them.

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During this time we were told the local community viewed us as witches, and the catholotism here is 75% of the population.  This because we are shamanic in nature.  We were told by the Jemez pueblo that with the situation between us and Phil, and what town was saying, we  would be watched and they would let us know when and if they would return.
(my bolding)


Title: Re: Maria Naylin AKA Yraceburu
Post by: educatedindian on October 15, 2014, 08:00:19 pm
The Pueblos are definitely not Catholic. They are some of the least Christianized rezzes in the country. In fact the council is make of up traditional priests.
Her story is an attempt to appeal to the persecution complex of some white pagans, and to anti Catholic bigotry. Witch or witchcraft accusations don't mean nearly the same on SW rezzes as they did in Europe or colonial America. It means that people are angry at someone disrupting the community's spiritual life. Some places it means they are accusing someone of being a skinwalker, not a real human. I can't say if this is true among the Pueblos too.

She seems to have a whole list of projects in NM now to make money since the San Diego center failed. Her "church" and calls to help them buy land, an apothecary, selling jewelry, "African bags," greeting cards, even tote bags, coasters, mousepads, and water bottles.
http://www.cafepress.com/tsilsoose/11612631
And she will literally sell you snake oil. You can't make this up...
http://www.yraceburu.org/essential-oils.html

And you can do the time warp with her for a couple hundred...
http://www.mariayraceburu.com/time-warping.html
I find it interesting how she's quit trying to alter her appearance. She's not hiding being blond and fair skinned anymore, where older photos showed a brown haired woman with either a tan or tanning makeup.
http://www.mariayraceburu.com/services.html
Add her to the list of frauds claiming to be trained by Tibetan healers too, and Australian Aboriginal.

Her origin claims have changed. Now she's claiming appointment by Apache elders in Bavispe Mexico.
http://www.mariayraceburu.com/tlish-diyan.html
Problem is, that area was not traditionally Apache. It was Opata, a completely unrelated people. There were raids there by the Chiricahua, but no community.
This alleged elder was named Mr. Thompson, no first name mentioned. Not exactly a common name for anyone in Mexico. And since they claim these are Apaches hiding out reel sooper seekrit, no reason an Apache would have an English name given by a missionary. But don't worry, apparently they kept the whole tradition thing 007-top-secret for 100 years until she came along. I think she's been reading Kiesha Crowther's sites...

Her site lists books for sale from "family." Whether she works with them or not, she certainly is endorsing them and implying they endorse her:
Beatrex Quntanna
Corinn Giuntoli
Janet Lightstone Blessings
Juliette de Bairclai Levy
Brooke Medicine Eagle
Nicki Scully
Luisah Teish & Leilani Birely
Linda Star Wolf
Patricia Cori
Alberto Villoldo
Oscar Miro Quesada
Dan Furst

That's at least three obvious frauds. Many of them seem to work with her at this "Starseed" school.
http://www.ah-kine.com/faculty.html\
A couple seem to be obvious Huna frauds. Note again the different appearance of Naylin. Hair the color of shoe polish, her skin tanned. That's three different shades she's had. Here she is with graying brown hair.
http://www.mariayraceburu.com/above-below.html
Title: Re: Maria Naylin AKA Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 15, 2014, 08:26:00 pm
In past Arizona court records her name is Maria Naylin Yraceburu. Her birthdate 11/1954

http://www.courtsentry.com/court/Maria+Yraceburu (http://www.courtsentry.com/court/Maria+Yraceburu)

Search can be done here https://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/caselookup.aspx (https://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/caselookup.aspx)

Minor charges, 2011 in Rio Rancho NM, dismissed, but this is helpful since it confirms her name

She also has had the married surname of Tucker.
Title: Re: Maria Naylin AKA Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 15, 2014, 08:41:27 pm
Uploaded here is a clip from one of her books Prayers and Meditations of the Quero Apache , more of her story about Ten Bears.

http://books.google.com/books?id=hHNzAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT11&lpg=PT11&dq=%22ten+bears%22+%22bourke+canyon%22&source=bl&ots=nYmF4bggJo&sig=SxmrTuUYixr7Vmmh1lr-SJ7AcIs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0Ns-VMLxI4iwjAKQroDADQ&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22ten%20bears%22%20%22bourke%20canyon%22&f=false (http://books.google.com/books?id=hHNzAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT11&lpg=PT11&dq=%22ten+bears%22+%22bourke+canyon%22&source=bl&ots=nYmF4bggJo&sig=SxmrTuUYixr7Vmmh1lr-SJ7AcIs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0Ns-VMLxI4iwjAKQroDADQ&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22ten%20bears%22%20%22bourke%20canyon%22&f=false)
Title: Re: Maria Naylin AKA Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 15, 2014, 10:16:38 pm
Roque "Phil" Chavez was Vice President at Yraceburu EarthWisdom/Taanaashkaada

From the investment roster accessed through http://www.taanaashkaada.org/coalition-paperworkyew.html (http://www.taanaashkaada.org/coalition-paperworkyew.html)

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Roque F. Chavez member since December 12, 2012  Voting Stock #17
$7,500
Donated back into to Church holdings upon his leaving coalition 3/2014

Maria wrote this in 2011:

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In the last three months we have entered discussions with representative of the 19 Puebloan Tribes and the American Indian Arts Institute in Santa Fe, to launch our Elders Wisdom Program by May 2012.

Our team includes a retired, regional branch manager trainer for Bank of America.

The retired person she is referring to is Chavez.

So he has left, and Pueblo reps, most likely Flo & Sal Yepa, will no longer work with her either.

Her group looks to be out of money, she complains a lot that she isn't getting the help she wants, and then there are  things like:

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5/1/2014 - Jamie  was here for Day of Miracles, during the course of her stay she went over legal paperwork of TSC and found all members to be in default of contracts since day one.  She promised to go home and begin educating members of the coalition based on her business background.  Since that time, Jamie has been unavailable, not responding to calls, texts or emails.  We pray for Jamie and her family.

http://www.taanaashkaada.org/coalition-paperworkyew.html (http://www.taanaashkaada.org/coalition-paperworkyew.html)

This is a stressed out group and people are wisely leaving it.
Title: Re: Maria Naylin AKA Yraceburu
Post by: educatedindian on October 16, 2014, 01:09:34 pm
Many of the older links are not up. One of the archived ones lists her former "elders council," mostly known frauds and some Huna types. While the best known frauds still endorse her, I don't see much sign of the other still around. As you mentioned, her two Jemez associates disavow her now.

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http://web.archive.org/web/20080729234247/http://www.yraceburu.org/Council_of_Elders.html
ELDERS ADVISORY COUNCIL
 
 Yaya Talasyamka
 
 Grandmother Gwendalle Cooper, EdD
 Hummingbird Consulting
 
 Aunty Kalei'iliahi & Papa Reynolds Kamakawiwoole

Kalei's Kreations
Twin Flames for God
 
 Aunty Happy Pahia

 Brooke Medicine Eagle

 Alberto Villoldo, PhD
Four Winds Society 
 
 Uncle Kilipaka Ontai

 Beatrex Quntanna

 Don Oscar & Cindy Miro-Quesada
The Heart of the Healer
 
 Yaya Arlene Magarian
Traditional Braided Rugs 
 
 Uncle Phillip Chavez
Hamaatsa 

 Dr. Lewis Mehl-Madrona
Coyote Healing Intensives
 
 Grandfather Martin Gashweseoma...
 Hopi Fire Clan Priest
 
 Grandfather Joe Montoya
A contemporary understanding to earth as the root of humanness, adding ceremonies of cyclic earth renewal brings the spirit of evolution into experiential understanding.

 Grandfather WhiteWolf Switzer
 Sun Priest in Temple of the Sun, initiated by Mello Rye, Cherokee Bear Clan from Arkansas and Irish Dragon Clan. Singing Healer & Folk Healer.

 Luiseh Teish
Ile Orunmila Oshun
 

 Serena Poissen
Mountain and Mist Reiki Center
9 Gates Mystery School
 

 Nicki Scully
Sacred Journeys
 

 Maria Theresa Valenzula
Toltec Curandera
 

 Michael & Raphaelle Tamura...

 Flo & Sal Yepa
Jemez Pueblo


Title: Re: Maria Naylin AKA Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 16, 2014, 05:59:18 pm
Two photos uploaded, one of a younger Maria, second one from 2013 is a good example of why locals may not be too happy with Maria and crew. Fits what was said earlier in thread: "Witch or witchcraft accusations don't mean nearly the same on SW rezzes as they did in Europe or colonial America. It means that people are angry at someone disrupting the community's spiritual life."
Title: Re: Maria Naylin AKA Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 16, 2014, 06:15:01 pm
Uploaded clip from part of her claimed genealogy from http://books.simonandschuster.com/Legends-and-Prophecies-of-the-Quero-Apache/Maria-Yraceburu/9781879181779/browse_inside (http://books.simonandschuster.com/Legends-and-Prophecies-of-the-Quero-Apache/Maria-Yraceburu/9781879181779/browse_inside)

The Jeremy and Jason listed are her sons Jeremy and Jason Tucker. Note that she claims she is descended from Kokopelli.

From this I'd assume her father's name is Richard, so he would be Richard Naylin. Although I wonder about that surname Naylin too, wonder if Maria changed that also.
Title: Re: Maria Naylin AKA Yraceburu
Post by: educatedindian on October 16, 2014, 10:02:18 pm
I think she tripped herself up by claiming Massai as an ancestor, supposedly her great grandfather. He's pretty well known, one of the scouts who fought against Geronimo. When both Geronimo's fighters and the scouts were rounded up, Massai escaped and later had children by a Mescalero woman. Most accounts have him murdered by a posse in 1904. There are fanciful stories of Massai making his way back to the stronghold Victorio once had in Sonora, where so many were massacred by the Mexican Army. That's what she seems to be relying on. It's not too different, and about as believable, as all the people claiming distant Cherokee by saying their ancestor hid from the Trail of Tears.

Except that she claims her great grandmother Naylin Lage married Massai and her grandfather Juan Ten Bears was born in the Sonora stronghold almost 30 years earlier. Massai did have an earlier wife, but we know very well who the descendants were. Massai's daughter Alberta Begay talked to anthropologist Eve Ball and told his life story in detail. At the time Maria Naylin claims Lage was living and having kids with Massai in Sonora, Massai was actually a US Army scout. Naylin is claiming a lineage that isn't hers, and she's dumb enough to post that claim about one of the better known Apache figures. Burt Lancaster even played Massai in a 50s western.

In the book she depicts the Sonora stronghold as this hippie dippy place of peaceful dancers when it was a hideout for raiders. And she writes about them being attacked by the Sixth Cavalry allied with Oodhams and Mexican civilians. She's confusing the stronghold attack with the Camp Grant Massacre almost a decade earlier, which was on other Apaches who had already surrendered, not the Chiricahua.

Her Legends and Prophecies book has quite a few other mangled claims. She claims Kokopelli, a sacred Hopi figure, was also the name of an ancestor, a supposed Toltec trader. She talks of an ancestor fighting Aztecs several centuries after Cortes's conquest, and another traveling to Cahokia, which was a mound builder's city in what's now Illinois.

She also has Coyote spouting Nuagespeak all the time in stories, "Through the dream the time of peace will manifest...Humanity stands in a position of actualization." Reel spirchul...

Is this her son? The name can't be very common.
http://www.keiselbeardme.com/beard.php?b=4523
This definitely is him.
http://felicitagrowthcenter.com/site/newsletter/images/Jason_Massai_Tucker_02.gif
Title: Re: Maria Naylin AKA Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 17, 2014, 04:45:10 pm
Maria's partner Lynda Yraceburu was born Lynda G Tari. I pieced this together through first seeing the surname Tari associated with her in public records, then found perfect match in birthdates, also the fact that she was born in San Diego and her father served in the military.

Her mother's obit: http://www.caminodelsol.com/obituaries/display.php?id=120 (http://www.caminodelsol.com/obituaries/display.php?id=120) Lynda's parents were Roman Catholic, so most likely she was raised Catholic also.

Lynda's "lost gypsy art of healing" looks like a mish mash of palmistry, massage, chakras, meridians, etc. - all with the Yraceburu woo woo spin. Lynda markets herself with all the usual Nuage claims - secrets, world renowned, initiations. With the added lure of gypsy "color".

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Lynda lived with Juliette de Bairclai Levy for a period of time. While there she became Grandmother's healer, and was infused with Juliette's Gypsy Wisdom. She continued to be imbued with Vas Pesh through a variety of teachers and hap-circumstances.

http://www.yraceburu.org/lynda-yraceburu.html (http://www.yraceburu.org/lynda-yraceburu.html)

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Lynda Yraceburu is world renowned as a lineage carrier and practitioner of the lost Gypsy Healing Art of Vas Pesh - HandWalking. Neither her ancestors nor Lynda herself know who first conceived their ancient Vas Pesh - HandWalking. They simply knew that stimulating the lines of the hands could heal, rejuvenate and balance with nature and the powerful knowledge of the Romani Chovani... master Gypsy Healer.

https://web.archive.org/web/20101203165731/http://www.wisewomantradition.com/wisewomanweb/2010/11/healing-with-vas-pesh-handwalking-and-lyndayraceburu.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20101203165731/http://www.wisewomantradition.com/wisewomanweb/2010/11/healing-with-vas-pesh-handwalking-and-lyndayraceburu.html)

Juliette de Bairacli Levy was born in England in 1912, she died in 2009 Switzerland. She died in Switzerland, looked after by her daughter and her daughter's family - was Lynda actually there? Was Lynda in the Azores or Greece when Juliette lived there prior? Or has Lynda simply read Juliette's books, maybe met her and attended events Juliette was at here in the states?

Juliette is called an "anthologist of gypsy lore". She had her own firm ideas about herbs, healing, and veterinary care. She did not believe in vaccinations, for instance. Much of what she wrote is not necessarily true. And her stories of gypsies and other nomadic peoples are all seen through her eyes and beliefs.

So Lynda's supposed strong connection with Juliette is probably not true, and then even if this connection did exist, Juliette's beliefs are all to be taken with large grains of salt.




Title: Re: Maria Naylin AKA Yraceburu
Post by: Ingeborg on October 17, 2014, 09:53:13 pm
Maria's partner Lynda Yraceburu was born Lynda G Tari. [...]
Lynda's "lost gypsy art of healing" looks like a mish mash of palmistry, massage, chakras, meridians, etc. - all with the Yraceburu woo woo spin. Lynda markets herself with all the usual Nuage claims - secrets, world renowned, initiations. With the added lure of gypsy "color".

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Lynda lived with Juliette de Bairclai Levy for a period of time. While there she became Grandmother's healer, and was infused with Juliette's Gypsy Wisdom. She continued to be imbued with Vas Pesh through a variety of teachers and hap-circumstances.

There are a few red flags about Lynda Y. and her alleged methods.

A) "Gypsy"
The term 'gypsy' is used by outsiders, the prefered name is Roma and Sinti ('Rom' means 'human').

B) Palmistry
Palmistry is no R&S tradition. More precisely: it is not done among R&S themselves. Palmistry was sold to gullible gadje (Non-Roma and Non-Sinti) to contribute to the group's income. It is therefore not based on R&S traditions or religions.

C) "Lost" arts/Gypsy Wisdom/religion
Generally speaking, R&S did and do not share their traditions with outsiders, and did/do not even teach them their language. It is therefore not very likely that Linda Y was taught any "gypsy wisdom".

Generally speaking, R&S in Europe accepted xtianity. There is no reason why they would deal with "chakras". Since meridians are part of altmedicine practices based on Chinese thought, it is even less probable this would have entered R&S traditions.

D) Doing a search for "Vas Pesh" only brings up sites mentioning Lynda and Maria Y.

E) Juliette de Bairclai Levy
Again, most sites Google presents in a search for this name are sites mentioning Lynda Y, plus a few sites/ forums discussing pet foods, since de Bairclai apparently wrote a book titled "The Complete Herbal Handbook for the Dog and Cat". Not very much traditional R&S. Other than Lynda Y.'s claims, nothing indicates de Bairclai Levy might have seen herself as a Roma or Sintizza. 

F) The names
Neither Tari nor de Bairclai Levy sound convincing for a name of a Roma or Sinti family.
In European countries, R&S families will have names quite common in the respective state they live in, or in former times, mostly lived in. That is you get German, English, French, Spanish, Polish, Hungarian etc names.
What you will not get is names hinting at a noble descent ("de", or "von" etc), or Jewish family names.

To give a few examples:
Spanish musician José Antonio Reyes is of 'gitano' background, so e.g. is Paco de Lucia whose real name is Gomez. A football player is called José Rodriguez Martinez.
A French musician: Bireli Lagrène
Two Brits: Ian Hancock (linguist and R&S rights' activist), Ron Wood/Rolling Stones is also said to be from an R&S family.
A Greek musician from an R&S family: Kostas Pavlidis
Germany/Austria/Netherlands:
Just listing the names of well-known musicians brings about names like Reinhardt, Weiss, Rosenberg, Winterstein, Spindler, Adler. There are other names, too, e.g. Rudko Kawczynski (president of a European R&S organistion), but he was born in Poland and his parents migrated to Germany.

Title: Re: Maria Naylin AKA Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 18, 2014, 06:10:01 pm
Marie's son Jason has used the name Jason Gabriel Massai Tucker in some public records. He was born in 1977.
Title: Re: Maria Naylin AKA Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 18, 2014, 07:28:00 pm
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She holds a Lld from Greenwich University for Eco-Psychology.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130930231511/http://www.spiraldancinglife.org/whats-new.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20130930231511/http://www.spiraldancinglife.org/whats-new.html)

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da'igoti Maria Yraceburu has an Lld from Greenwich University

http://www.spiraldancinglife.org/daigoti.html (http://www.spiraldancinglife.org/daigoti.html)

But:

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In the United States of America, the LL.D. is awarded as an honorary degree only. The equivalent academic degree is the Scientiae Juridicae Doctor (S.J.D. or J.S.D.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legum_Doctor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legum_Doctor)

That degree is in legal studies. I've no clue why she claims this.

There is no "Greenwich University" accredited here in the USA. (accreditation search here http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/search.aspx (http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/search.aspx))

There used to be a "Greenwich University Applied Ecopsychology" http://www.ecopsych.com/ortchecklist.html (http://www.ecopsych.com/ortchecklist.html) The place referred to is a known degree mill https://web.archive.org/web/19990427072111/http://www.greenwich.edu/ (https://web.archive.org/web/19990427072111/http://www.greenwich.edu/) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_University_%28Norfolk_Island%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_University_%28Norfolk_Island%29)
Title: Re: Maria Naylin AKA Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 18, 2014, 08:33:51 pm
Entity Name:   NOHWIKE BAGOWA / EARTH WISDOM
Entity Number:   C2373100
Date Filed:   12/20/2001
Status:   SOS/FTB SUSPENDED
Jurisdiction:   CALIFORNIA
Entity Address:   19550 A HIDDEN GLEN RD
Entity City, State, Zip:   ALPINE CA 91910
Agent for Service of Process:   MARIA YRACEBURU
Agent Address:   19550 A HIDDEN GLEN RD
Agent City, State, Zip:   ALPINE CA 91910

California corporation.

The past related web site https://web.archive.org/web/20020501000000*/http://www.nohwikebagowa.org/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20020501000000*/http://www.nohwikebagowa.org/)

I notice that at one time they added:

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Nohwike Bagowa is in no way affiliated with
the White Mountain Apache Museum by the same name.

Title: Re: Maria Naylin AKA Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 18, 2014, 09:59:20 pm
Regarding Lynda, she has identified as:

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president, Lynda Yracébûrû (Romani Gypsy) is of Romani Chovani descent.

https://web.archive.org/web/20040607134359/http://www.nohwikebagowa.org/bod.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20040607134359/http://www.nohwikebagowa.org/bod.html)

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Hi I am Lynda Yraceburu, Choppie Romani Chovani Traditional Gypsy Healer

http://www.meetup.com/Taa-naash-kaa-da/members/176640662/ (http://www.meetup.com/Taa-naash-kaa-da/members/176640662/)

As Ingeborg has pointed out, and genealogy work shows, this so called descent is very unlikely.
Title: Re: Maria Naylin AKA Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 18, 2014, 11:26:51 pm
Back in 1999 she said she was a "transpersonal escort".

https://web.archive.org/web/19990222105837/http://home.earthlink.net/~earthwisdom/Wakizu.html (https://web.archive.org/web/19990222105837/http://home.earthlink.net/~earthwisdom/Wakizu.html)
Title: Re: Maria Naylin AKA Yraceburu
Post by: Ingeborg on October 19, 2014, 12:25:03 am

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president, Lynda Yracébûrû (Romani Gypsy) is of Romani Chovani descent.

This makes about as much sense as if I claimed I was a deutsche German - or rather: a deutsche Kraut.

'Chovani' does not seem to be one of the tribal units. Attempts to find the term in a Romanes dictionary yield funny results - the term is not known, also not in the spelling of ?ovani or ?hovani. However, the dictionary offers various words instead, like:
?ovexani - ?ovaxanî - ?oha?i - ?oxani
Although the meaning differs in various dialects, the general notion is:
witch, sorcerer, magician, spectre, vampire.
Witches, sorcerers etc are not seen in a positive way by R&S. The translation 'healer' never came up, BTW.

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Hi I am Lynda Yraceburu, Choppie Romani Chovani Traditional Gypsy Healer

If "choppie" did indeed come from Romanes, Ms Lynda uses a form so corrupted the dictionary cannot find any results which come even close to this spelling, and this does not get any better when the "ch" is replaced by ? or ?h.

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Back in 1999 she said she was a "transpersonal escort".

https://web.archive.org/web/19990222105837/http://home.earthlink.net/~earthwisdom/Wakizu.html

And nothing there about any Roma descent. So Ms Lynda has only been a 'traditional healer' for less than 15 years as of yet - very convincing....

Title: Re: Maria Naylin AKA Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 19, 2014, 02:26:38 am
Gale Encyclopedia of Occultism & Parapsychology:
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Chov-hani

The Gypsy name for a witch.

 http://www.answers.com/topic/chov-hani#ixzz3GYMStSoE (http://www.answers.com/topic/chov-hani#ixzz3GYMStSoE)

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Ki shan i Romani—
Adoi san' i chov'hani.

Wherever gypsies go,
There the witches are, we know.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/gsft/gsft03.htm (http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/gsft/gsft03.htm)

Maria complains that locals call them witches, yet her own partner has chosen a title that means witch, from yet another culture that does not view witches positively.


Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 20, 2014, 12:42:10 pm
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Combining her massive extended family with her traditional knowledge and dedication, Yraceburu EarthWisdom originated in 1972 as the Native American Students Alliance.

 
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NASA evolved in 1974 into the Minority Students Alliance... "We were becoming more inclusive... recognizing the Power of One."

http://www.globalgoddess.org/oracle/imbolc_2009/unwavierable (http://www.globalgoddess.org/oracle/imbolc_2009/unwavierable)

This doesn't sound right to me, I think she is trying to claim that an unnamed college Native Students Alliance was her own project. I think it is more accurate to say that she possibly started the road she is now on while being a member of a NSA. Being part of an college alliance  does not necessarily mean a person is NDN, I was a member at my own college. Just like being at a pow-wow doesn't guarantee anything about heritage.

I'm including here some stills from her videos, two of them look like from college days.
Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 20, 2014, 12:44:44 pm
Another video still, young Maria.
Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 20, 2014, 05:37:48 pm
Rough incomplete timeline on part of Maria's story:

Maria is of Apache, Navajo, Cherokee, Basque and French descent, carrying two tribal membership cards.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050201124746/http://www.followingancestors.net/mariabio.html
 (https://web.archive.org/web/20050201124746/http://www.followingancestors.net/mariabio.html)

Says she was born in Downey, CA. Los Angeles county.
http://www.wisewomanradio.com/interviews/mariayraceburu.html (http://www.wisewomanradio.com/interviews/mariayraceburu.html)

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Born Maria Yraceburu in Downey, California, her childhood name was Naylin 'iskinihi. Her father was a captain in the army during Viet Nam. She learned the traditional ways of her heritage from Grandfather Juan Ten Bears Yraceburu.

Born 11/1954 according to 2011 Arizona court records for MARIA NAYLIN YRACEBURU

https://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/ (https://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/)

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MARIA YRACEBURU is a forerunner in the field of Applied Ecopsychology, bringing traditional indigenous nature healing techniques together with clinical psychology in 1972 when she joined with former college counselor and psychologist, Meredith Kane, in an effort to heal childhood sexual abuse  in adults.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050201124746/http://www.followingancestors.net/mariabio.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20050201124746/http://www.followingancestors.net/mariabio.html)

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A drug addict in the 70s and again in the 80s

http://www.globalgoddess.org/book/export/html/325
 (http://www.globalgoddess.org/book/export/html/325)
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Yraceburu EarthWisdom originated in 1972 as the Native American Students Alliance.

http://www.globalgoddess.org/book/export/html/325

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Yraceburu started her first women's group, the Butterfly Clan Women's Moon Lodge, in the San Francisco Bay Area.  She also founded a spiritual community and has worked as a bartender, graphic designer, writer, as well as serving on Powwow Committees and raising money for the Gil Abeyta Scholarship Fund and various youth programs.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050128094624/http://www.followingancestors.net/mariaa.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20050128094624/http://www.followingancestors.net/mariaa.html)

1977 a son Jason Gabriel Massai Tucker born
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJL7-LPKQ (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJL7-LPKQ)

website around 1999 https://web.archive.org/web/19990219085317/http://home.earthlink.net/~earthwisdom/Wakizu.html (https://web.archive.org/web/19990219085317/http://home.earthlink.net/~earthwisdom/Wakizu.html)

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LLD in Eco-psychology, University of Hawaii, 1999

https://web.archive.org/web/20080702020733/http://www.yraceburu.org/Yraceburu.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20080702020733/http://www.yraceburu.org/Yraceburu.html)

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LLD, eco-psychology from Greenwich University

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/maria-yraceburu/a2/a94/8b7 (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/maria-yraceburu/a2/a94/8b7)

Entity Name:   NOHWIKE BAGOWA / EARTH WISDOM
Entity Number:   C2373100
Date Filed:   12/20/2001
Status:   SOS/FTB SUSPENDED
Jurisdiction:   CALIFORNIA
Entity Address:   19550 A HIDDEN GLEN RD
Entity City, State, Zip:   ALPINE CA 91910
Agent for Service of Process:   MARIA YRACEBURU
Agent Address:   19550 A HIDDEN GLEN RD
Agent City, State, Zip:   ALPINE CA 91910

http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/ (http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/)

On one of her  books Legends and Prophecies of the Quero Apache: Tales for Healing and Renewal: "Maria Naylin has good Medicine to dream...Good thoughts..." Sun Bear

Nohwike Bagowa
P.O. Box 248
Redwood Valley, CA 95470

Elcajon, CA

web site around 2003 https://web.archive.org/web/20040620214332/http://www.nohwikebagowa.org/sweat.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20040620214332/http://www.nohwikebagowa.org/sweat.html)

web site around 2008 https://web.archive.org/web/20080915042038/http://www.yraceburu.org/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20080915042038/http://www.yraceburu.org/)

Yraceburu EarthWisdom
595 Grand Ave. #102-512
San Marcos, CA 92078

Name    YRACEBURU EARTHWISDOM
Type    Domestic Nonprofit
Good Standing Status:    The above corporation is not in Good Standing
Corp #    4220059
Date of Incorporation    Oct-07-2009
 Corp Mailing Address
   7820 ENCHANTED HILLS BLVD. SE #A183   
   RIO RANCH0, NM - 87144

Name    TAA-NAASH-KAA-DA SANCTUARY COALITION, LLC
Type    Domestic Limited Liability Company
Date of Incorporation    Aug-26-2011
Principal Place of Business in NM
   7820 ENCHANTED HILLS BLVD   A183
   RIO RANCHO , NM - 87144

NM corporation search https://portal.sos.state.nm.us/Corps/%28S%28yomu30lkn3bfokwe30zoqluv%29%29/corplookup/Lookdn.aspx (https://portal.sos.state.nm.us/Corps/%28S%28yomu30lkn3bfokwe30zoqluv%29%29/corplookup/Lookdn.aspx)

http://www.yraceburu.org/ (http://www.yraceburu.org/)
119 Mira Sol Dr.
Las Vegas, NM 87701

http://www.ah-kine.com/ (http://www.ah-kine.com/)

http://www.spiraldancinglife.org/ (http://www.spiraldancinglife.org/)

http://www.meetup.com/Taa-naash-kaa-da (http://www.meetup.com/Taa-naash-kaa-da)
Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 20, 2014, 06:11:01 pm
Letter written by Maria-  Taa-naash-kaa-da Sanctuary Coalition Members August 20, 2014, uploaded a copy here because there is a lot of important info in it, including:

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In January we held Phil’s initiation retreat.  That was the complete take apart.  For those of you that don’t know, Debbie, his girlfriend had a psychotic break and attacked four people, including Lynda, myself and Jason.  I am hearing of more now that healing is complete.  In March, Phil left the Coalition donating his membership back to the church, and cutting our family out of his life.  This was devastating for me and sent me spiraling deeper.  I called death.  I called the ThunderBeings and told them if this was life I was done.  I walked the valley and screamed my pain.  And I put my affairs in order.

Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: debbieredbear on October 20, 2014, 07:24:30 pm
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carrying two tribal membership cards.

I know of NO tribes that allow you to be a member of another tribe at the same time as you are a member of theirs. A nephew wanted to enroll in his dad's tribe and had to disenroll in his mom's tribe before he could even apply to his dad's tribe. Naylin clearly has no clue. Oh, wait, maybe she's a member of one of the fraud tribes. I am sure they don't care.  ;D
Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 27, 2014, 07:34:23 pm
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Throughout it's history, Yraceburu EarthWisdom has worked toward these goals through ceremony, classes, workshops and camps rooted first in the traditions of the Apache tlish diyan and Mughar Gypsy and then world-cross-cultural exchange.

http://www.mariayraceburu.com/projects.html (http://www.mariayraceburu.com/projects.html)

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I did not know my true roots growing up.

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It was not until many years later when I found out my true lineage, Hungarian Gypsy, that I started understanding what bigotry and genetic judgment was about. I read and dreamt about the atrocities put on my people and what they went through.

http://lightstoneacademy.com/2010/05/13/re-memory-ing-the-future/ (http://lightstoneacademy.com/2010/05/13/re-memory-ing-the-future/)

Lynda Tari on her father's side has Hungarian ancestry. I don't see any evidence of Romani as I look over family records like obits, newspaper articles that detail social news, military transfers etc. Hungarian ancestry does not automatically mean Romani heritage at all. She could have distant Romani ancestry, but as she says, she was not raised Romani. And she doesn't seem to know there are thriving Romani American communities today.

The Hungarian ancestors of Lynda's I found came to USA about 1912 and settled in Pennsylvania. So they themselves were not part of the Holocaust. Yet Lynda identifies with being persecuted. I think this is all part of her brand, her marketing to Nuage customers. Claim an "exotic" heritage, claim that you are a victim, and become more in demand to Nuagers.

For those wanting factual information on Romani- Americans, Lynda Tari is not the person to go to. An excellent author to read is Dr. Ian Hancock.

Some of her Hungarian ancestry:

father Peter Joseph Tari http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=137372218 (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=137372218)
grandmother Rose M (Antal) Tari
gr grandmother Rosie (Simon) Antal, born Hungary 1884 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=14578067 (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=14578067)
gr gr grandmother Mary (unknown maiden name) Simon, born Hungary 1862

Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 27, 2014, 11:20:39 pm
Lynda claims:

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Vas Pesh means HandWalking in the Rom dialect of the Gypsy Healer.

Dr. Ian Hancock (Professor at University of Texas, Department of Linguistics, he himself is Romani) kindly answered my email questions about Lynda's claims:

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"Vas pesh" isn't Romani.  Vas could mean hand, but pesh is meaningless.
Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on October 30, 2014, 03:57:20 pm
Lynda Tari may be influenced by authors such as Raymond Buckland who write about "Gypsy Magic". Turns out there are many books with this theme, providing lots of misinformation. I've uploaded here two clips from a Buckland book that may be a source for Tari's self invention.

Two customer reviews of this book are also helpful http://www.amazon.com/Bucklands-Book-Gypsy-Magic-Travelers-ebook/dp/B0089XLE50/ref=la_B000APCIAU_1_10?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1414684041&sr=1-10 (http://www.amazon.com/Bucklands-Book-Gypsy-Magic-Travelers-ebook/dp/B0089XLE50/ref=la_B000APCIAU_1_10?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1414684041&sr=1-10)

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Gypsy is a racial slur
By Zola
on January 24, 2013

In addition to that slur, the Roma people do not publish their "magic".

Raymond Buckland was raised in the Anglican church, and is just having New-Agers on with this book. DO NOT BUY.

And concerning a remedy for an eyewash:

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I know Raymond Buckland has to earn a living, we all do, but how desperate is he for money? Copper sulfate is a strong irritant, DANGEROUS to get in the eyes. It can cause conjunctivitis, ulceration, and even corneal opacity. It will CAUSE "red, inflamed eyes", not remedy them, and it may cause far worse! Mr. Buckland, if you ever have a chance to read this, PLEASE, PLEASE remove or rectify this entry in your book!

Concerning Buckland and others, by Dr. Ian Hancock:

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The fact that some of these invented “facts” originate with Romanies themselves—and we may add Ray Buckland, Lee Fuhler and Patronella Cooper to the list (see bibliography) is distressing, since it gives the stamp of legitimacy to such misinformation and, when exposed, only reinforces the image of untrustworthiness we must live with.  It also suggests that while these authors may indeed have one or more Romani forebears, that fact is only incidental to their real life, which clearly lacks any first-hand involvement with the day-to-day Romani world; they have accepted instead the ‘magical’ pop-culture stereotype created by non-Romanies.  If they are fully aware of what they are doing and are exploiting such misinformation solely for profit, then they do no credit to the people they claim to represent, and seriously hold back the Romani human rights effort.

http://www.radoc.net/radoc.php?doc=art_d_identity_the_concocters&lang=en&articles=true (http://www.radoc.net/radoc.php?doc=art_d_identity_the_concocters&lang=en&articles=true)

This essay THE CONCOCTERS: CREATING FAKE ROMANI CULTURE is worth reading completely.

As I work on this I'm struck by how Maria and Lynda's self identifications follow similar patterns, Maria chose the flavor "Apache" and Lynda chose the flavor "Gypsy". Maria's fiction is more highly developed, maybe only because she has been at this longer.
Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on June 03, 2015, 04:57:34 pm
They continue to try to raise money, please don't give them any. http://www.gofundme.com/erinlo (http://www.gofundme.com/erinlo) Maria and Lynda Yraceburu are frauds, con artists, untrustworthy.
Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on July 25, 2015, 09:01:40 pm
(http://i62.tinypic.com/2hog1h4.jpg)

According to Maria Yraceburu:

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The original photo for this print, "Grandpa's Blessing"
was taken in the mid 1800s by acclaimed historical photographer S. Edward Curtis. It is Grandpa Ten Bears.

http://www.gofundme.com/erlnlo (http://www.gofundme.com/erlnlo)

So Yraceburu claims that this part of their fundraising art is a copy of a photo taken of Maria's grandfather in the mid 1800s.

The photographer, Edward S. Curtis was born in 1868. So probably he was not taking photos in the mid 1800s.

Curtis' "The North American Indian" project (which this original photo is part of) began with funding in 1906.

(http://i62.tinypic.com/o7n6lf.jpg)

The image the Yraceburus used is a clip from "Apache baby - Atsina
Edward S. Curtis, 1907
Northwestern University Library, Edward S. Curtis's 'The North American Indian': the Photographic Images, 2001." https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Edward_S._Curtis_Collection_People_014.jpg (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Edward_S._Curtis_Collection_People_014.jpg)

Looks like in the actual book it was captioned "An Apache Babe". https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/b/b7/20081123093216%21Edward_S._Curtis_Collection_People_014.jpg  (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/b/b7/20081123093216%21Edward_S._Curtis_Collection_People_014.jpg)http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2001695844/ (http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2001695844/)

Maria claims this is a photo of her grandfather "Juan Ten Bears Yraceburu, Apache HolyOne". She says it was taken in the mid 1800s, also that this grandfather died in 1973.

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When he passed in 1973, we buried him beneath the sacred crystal waterfalls in Arizona

That would mean he was about 120 years old. Although Maria states that this grandfather was "an Apache HolyMan who lived nearly 100 years." .
Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on July 25, 2015, 09:14:53 pm
The Yraceburu's are fundraising as a "certified charity" Yraceburu Earthwisdom

http://www.gofundme.com/erlnlo (http://www.gofundme.com/erlnlo)

But the domestic nonprofit corporation Yraceburu EarthWisdom in NM is a corporation "not in Good Standing". They  have not filed necessary paperwork since 2012.
Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on July 25, 2015, 09:22:44 pm
Follow up on my prior post, I misunderstood what the designation "certified charity" means on the GoFundMe web site.

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Payments to GoFundMe ‘Certified Charity’ donation pages will always be delivered to the indicated organization. GoFundMe pages that contain the ‘Certified Charity’ graphic (top, right of screen) do not allow the user to receive payments. Instead, all donations are securely processed and delivered by our Donations partner FirstGiving.

http://www.gofundme.com/safety (http://www.gofundme.com/safety)

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Donors should only contribute payments to GoFundMe users they personally know and trust. We’re often asked how a donor can tell the authenticity of a personal cause found on GoFundMe. Unfortunately there is no way to 100% guarantee that a user’s GoFundMe donation page contains accurate or truthful information. As such, donors should not make payments to any campaigns or people unless they fully understand and trust the cause presented.
Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on September 17, 2015, 08:24:53 pm
Long story short, I believe Maria Yraceburu's birth name is Mary Jo Gardner.

One of Maria's sons identifies himself as Jason Gabriel Massai Tucker.

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My name is Jason Gabriel Massai Tucker. I am the youngest son of Maria Yraceburu, Quero Apache Diyin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qPrKL75nmE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qPrKL75nmE)

His birth date can be seen here in public records https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJL7-LPKQ (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJL7-LPKQ)

The California Birth Index via ancestry.com lists Jason G Tucker, exact same birthdate, with mother's maiden name listed as Gardner.

Maria's other son is Jeremy P Tucker, in the California Birth Index his mother's maiden name is Gardner also.

So I'm working with the theory that Maria's original birth name was Gardner.

The birth date she currently uses can be found here: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJVD-QB2R (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJVD-QB2R)

I tried searching on my guess that perhaps her original first name is Mary. And there is indeed a Mary Jo Gardner with the exact same birth date, same location, who married a Jeffery Tucker.

To lay this out more clearly, here are the records, if I shouldn't post actual birth dates please do delete:

Name   Maria M Yraceburu
Residence Date   01 Oct 2004-01 Jan 2005
Residence Place   Redwood Valley, California, United States
Birth Date   04 Nov 1954
Address   3551 Road B
Address Continued   Redwood Valley, California 95470
Possible Relatives   Lynda T Yraceburu
Record Number   858960801

Name:   Mary Jo Gardner
Birth Date:   4 Nov 1954
Gender:   Female
Mother's Maiden Name:   Baker
Birth County:   Los Angeles

Name   Jeffrey P Tucker
Event Type   Marriage
Event Date   23 Mar 1974
Event Place   Alameda, California
Gender   Male
Age   20
Birth Year (Estimated)   1954
Spouse's Name   Mary J Gardner
Spouse's Age   19
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated)   1955

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V6XZ-Z8Y (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V6XZ-Z8Y)
Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on September 19, 2015, 07:06:01 pm
The names of Mary Jo Gardner's parents can be found on line, along with her mother's genealogy. Using that information, I worked on the family history through ancestry.com. I've only found white folks (including a Methodist minister) who made their way across the midwest to California.

As Maria Yraceburu she has posted on another family history site the bare outlines of her claims, no dates or locations given. She claims a Richard Yraceburu is her father. So I checked to see if I could build a family history tree based on her claims. But I can't, there are no records to verify any of it.

The Richard Yraceburu I do find is a member of the esteemed Yraceburu family of Fresno, they originally came from Spain. She is not claiming to be part of this family, maybe she "borrowed" their surname.

Maybe the truth about her heritage is something else entirely. We can be more than confident though that what she is claiming is not the truth.
Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on September 23, 2015, 05:06:08 pm
Maria / Mary Jo Gardner's father and her paternal grandparents in 1940 federal census:

Name   Teddy Lee Gardner
Event Type   Census
Event Date   1940
Event Place   Salem Township, Sedgwick, Kansas, United States
Gender   Male
Age   8
Marital Status   Single
Race (Original)   White
Race   White
Relationship to Head of Household (Original)   Son
Relationship to Head of Household   Son
Birthplace   Colorado
Birth Year (Estimated)   1932
Last Place of Residence   Grand Junction, Mora, Colorado

Name   Carl W Gardner
Event Type   Census
Event Date   1940
Event Place   Salem Township, Sedgwick, Kansas, United States
Gender   Male
Age   35
Marital Status   Married
Race (Original)   White
Race   White
Relationship to Head of Household (Original)   Head
Relationship to Head of Household   Head
Birthplace   Oklahoma
Birth Year (Estimated)   1905
Last Place of Residence   Grand Junction, Mora, Colorado

Name   Gladys Gardner
Event Type   Census
Event Date   1940
Event Place   Salem Township, Sedgwick, Kansas, United States
Gender   Female
Age   30
Marital Status   Married
Race (Original)   White
Race   White
Relationship to Head of Household (Original)   Wife
Relationship to Head of Household   Wife
Birthplace   Minnesota
Birth Year (Estimated)   1910
Last Place of Residence   Grand Junction, Mora, Colorado

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VR2C-K4C (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VR2C-K4C)

Her paternal grandparents are Carl Dudley Gardner and Gladys Evelyn Ranzau.

Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on September 23, 2015, 05:16:45 pm
This image is from the memorial service for Maria's maternal grandfather, Howard Samuel Baker, a Methodist minister, born 1908 Kansas died 2002 California. Maria is not claiming any NDN heritage on her mother's side. But this memorial does display paternal family relationships also.

Maria did a scripture reading. Her father and two brothers did the Masonic Service.


(http://i61.tinypic.com/2j47gwi.jpg)
Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on September 23, 2015, 05:26:11 pm
Great grandparents on Maria's paternal side:

Absalom Manoah Gardner and Minnie C Watkins

Name   Absalom N Gardner
Event Type   Census
Event Year   1910
Event Place   Auburn, Noble, Oklahoma, United States
Gender   Male
Age   28
Marital Status   Married
Race   White
Race (Original)   White
Relationship to Head of Household   Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original)   Head
Birth Year (Estimated)   1882
Birthplace   Missouri
Father's Birthplace   Virginia
Mother's Birthplace   Virginia

Name   Minnie C Gardner
Event Type   Census
Event Year   1910
Event Place   Auburn, Noble, Oklahoma, United States
Gender   Female
Age   24
Marital Status   Married
Race   White
Race (Original)   White
Relationship to Head of Household   Wife
Relationship to Head of Household (Original)   Wife
Birth Year (Estimated)   1886
Birthplace   Ohio
Father's Birthplace   West Virginia
Mother's Birthplace   Ohio

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MLQK-SCC (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MLQK-SCC)

Carl Christian Ranzau and Carrie Ann Brendsel

Name   Carl C Ranzau
Event Type   Census
Event Year   1910
Event Place   Northfield Ward 3, Rice, Minnesota, United States
Gender   Male
Age   30
Marital Status   Married
Race   White
Race (Original)   White
Relationship to Head of Household   Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original)   Head
Birth Year (Estimated)   1880
Birthplace    Germany
Immigration Year   1897
Father's Birthplace   Germany
Mother's Birthplace   Denmark

Name   Carrie A Ranzau
Event Type   Census
Event Year   1910
Event Place   Northfield Ward 3, Rice, Minnesota, United States
Gender   Female
Age   24
Marital Status   Married
Race   White
Race (Original)   White
Relationship to Head of Household   Wife
Relationship to Head of Household (Original)   Wife
Birth Year (Estimated)   1886
Birthplace   South Dakota
Father's Birthplace   Norway
Mother's Birthplace   Norway

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2PF-HXC
Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on September 23, 2015, 05:47:20 pm
Maria claims she channels a great grandmother. She claims this great grandmother is named Naylin Lage.

Here she is channeling this supposed ancestor in response to a question: http://www.mariayraceburu.com/grandmas-channel/live-channel-with-naylin-lage-6302015 (http://www.mariayraceburu.com/grandmas-channel/live-channel-with-naylin-lage-6302015)

She uses a photograph taken by the photographer Edward Curtis and claims it is her ancestor.
Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Defend the Sacred on September 23, 2015, 06:32:24 pm
She talks like a white person.

And the "channelling" put me in mind of this: https://youtu.be/QqaQ_Bhgmrc
Title: Re: Maria Naylin & Lynda Tari AKA Maria & Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Epiphany on September 23, 2015, 08:08:23 pm
Maria lures people in by claiming that she can reveal super secret inside teachings of Native Americans. Followers believe she is the real deal, and they stay with Maria so that they can learn the next supposed inner secret. She keeps people hooked in this manner.

Maria also claims to have a "Native American card" that she shows at entrance gates to sites she is taking her groups to. Unaware people then believe this is proof of her heritage.

But Maria is not enrolled, as far as I know she is not claiming that she is, so she would not have a legitimate CDIB card http://www.bia.gov/FOIA/Genealogy/ (http://www.bia.gov/FOIA/Genealogy/) . And since she is not enrolled, she would not have a tribal enrollment card. What she would have is a permit. Here is an example of a tribal permit process http://www.navajonationparks.org/htm/monumentvalleypermits.htm (http://www.navajonationparks.org/htm/monumentvalleypermits.htm) A permit in her case has nothing to do with her heritage and citizenship, it just means she got a permit. She might also be getting educational entrance fee waivers.

If anyone reading this has gone to sacred sites with Maria, it would be wise for you to check up on the permit process in respect to the region you were in, so you can check what the rules are. If you have witnessed Maria breaking rules, please do report her to the relevant authorities.

For instance here is an example of important rules:

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DO NOT desecrate Navajo lands and violate the trust of the Navajo people by discarding cremated human remains on tribal lands. Please respect our tribal beliefs.

NO ROCK CLIMBING on Navajo Land. Please abide by the humble religious requests of the Navajo people and do not climb the Monuments. “Navajo law will be strictly enforced on this issue,” Parks Department Manager.
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: mjmpride on August 25, 2016, 10:23:58 pm
This is the information she wrote in the email to raise money selling the prints:

Grandpa's Blessing... Fundraising Limited Edition Print

 
The non-profit group Yraceburu EarthWisdom works and operates from Taa-naash-kaa-da in new Mexico. Each year, they mentor 1700 people from all walks of life and through nearly as many venues, as they learn to be in relationship with Earth and Spirit. YEW is embarking on the the purchase of the 76+ acres... Click here for information
 
All profits from each print sold, go to funding the work of YEW
and the purchase of Taa-naash-kaa-da.

Each hand-signed and numbered reproduction is a Lumira digital photographic print, produced on the industry standard Fuji Crystal Archive matte paper surfaces.  All of our prints are produced on Fuji Crystal Archive professional paper,  not on Fuji or Kodak amateur grade papers.
Included with each print is a signed, embossed certificate of authenticity and the print back label story.  This edition will be limited to a maximum of 150 prints in each size. Framing is not included.
 
The original photo for this print, "Grandpa's Blessing"
was taken in the mid 1800s by acclaimed historical photographer S. Edward Curtis.
 It is Grandpa Ten Bears. The sandpainting rendition that frames the photo is a recreation of the BlessingWay.The white eagle feather at the bottom is a photograph of an eagle feather during the Gathering of Eagles in 1964, by Maria Yraceburu as instructed by Ten Bears.
 No eagle was injured, and the feather no longer exists.
 
Grandpa's Blessing, fundraising limited edition print... available in 2 sizes


Grandpa's Blessing

12" X 18"
price includes taxes and shipping.
 
$180.00 
 
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Grandpa's Blessing

8x12"
Price includes shipping and tax.
 
$90.00   

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Back Label Writing
This is the medicine of my grandfather, an Apache HolyMan who lived nearly 100 years. This man watched over many students each year during the annual Life Rites  Ceremonies and Challenges.  I watched him, being hovering over a number of us as we embraced our practices as EarthLife Counselors, EarthHealers, EarthPriests, EarthStorytellers, and EarthTime Charters, much like I do now through our SpiralDancing Life program. My grandfather was a big YEW supporter and tireless humanitarian. When he passed in 1973, we buried him beneath the sacred crystal waterfalls in Arizona, so that he could be at the heart of his mother when he finally left her.   Maria Yraceburu
 
Grandpa's Blessing quote
 
"My child, you were indeed given a special job in Creation, a job well suited to your natural inclination. Fulfill this joy with joy.  You have been created with special abilities which complement others.  Hidden within the ehart of each of you is a special challenge.  There is the seed which reflects Creation.  Seek it, and yiou will discover yourself and All That Is reflected in all created things.  See this in the night time and the dawning, in the summer clouds, in the rock, the tree, the feather... - Juan Ten Bears Yraceburu, Apache HolyOne, 196? - 1973
 
Thank you for supporting the work we do as a united extended family community of the heart,
 
Yraceburu EarthWisdom @ Taa-naash-kaa-da
Maria Yraceburu
505-414-1583
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: Piff on August 28, 2016, 01:26:48 am
I so wish people would stop giving them money.

Through GoFundMe they have raised over $120,000 for land purchase and $3,000 for supposed future travel for Lynda.
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: Piff on August 28, 2016, 02:18:07 am
Obituary for Maria's father http://www.theunion.com/news/obituaries/20724387-113/story.html - she is acknowledged as one of his children.

She has referred to him as her stepfather, this looks to be technically true. In records it looks like her parents met and married when she was about three. Most likely her birth certificate was amended, her surname is Gardner in the California birth index.

So she may have a different birth father. But I don't believe that he was an Apache man named Yraceburu who served in Vietnam, there are no records of such a person, and he would be found in census and military records. Plus the Yraceburus are from Spain.

Her teachings are not Apache. No matter who her biological father is, Maria Yraceburu/ Mary Jo Gardner is a fraud.  And Lynda's teachings are not Romani.
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: Piff on August 28, 2016, 03:42:06 am
Lynda Tari / Yraceburu has also used the name "Lynda Black Coyote".

http://www.spiraldancinglife.org/who-we-are.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20141004040322/http://www.spiraldancinglife.org/practitioners-directory.html
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: Piff on August 28, 2016, 03:50:00 am
A Yraceburu student, Steven Dances the Dream Egan, in the U.K. : http://www.dreamdances.net/services.html
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: educatedindian on August 29, 2016, 12:32:57 pm
Let's stick to calling her by her real name(s), Naylin or Gardner, and not feed the delusion she spreads. Same with the Sleepwalking Dancer from England, Mr. Egan. And he sells faux ceremonies in freakin' Oxford...

He even shows off his shiny certificate with its shiny gold seal. Reel spirchul, and reel tradtional. I like how their "council" is just the two ceremony sellers. Lynda Tari is apparently "Healing Way Shiftholder Council Head." So that's a faux Romani claiming to teach mangled Dineh ceremony. The other faux ceremonies he's been taught to sell for profit include:

"Divination/Rolling Bones Counselling This is an intuitive counselling session, utilizing divination with the medicine wheel"

First part's Euro. Second part is faux Native, ripped off from Heywhatever Storm.

"Earth Healing...divination, crystal gridding, energy, or dream work."

Any guesses on the silliness that is crystal gridding?

"Healing Circle  Requires a minimum of three people."

That'd be a healing triangle, bubba.

"Day Quest Four hours out on the land."

For the fast paced world we live in, where even a faux vision quest takes too long. Now wander around a couple hours and call it ceremony.

"Medicine Wheel
Elders Honouring
Deisheshi - Birthing and Naming Ceremony
'ilna'naadzaa – Reunion Bonding - Wedding Ceremony"

Wedding as a RE union? Sounds like they're claiming married couple were married in past lives. They're peddling reincarnation as NDN.
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: Piff on August 29, 2016, 03:28:39 pm
Gardner and Tari operate multiple cash flow machines. Some people tithe monthly to them. They use GoFundMe for various campaigns. They sell books, webinairs, "medicine cord necklaces" , classes. They get grants for a butterfly project and another for horses.  They run "Turtlewomyn" http://www.turtlewomyn.org/hoya-camp.html , "Spiraldancing" http://www.spiraldancinglife.org , their land project, etc.

Here is one of their "councils" http://www.yraceburu.org/council.html Yolanda Martinez is one of their top members. At the moment she is listed as leadership along with Gardner and Tari.

Yolanda Martinez: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yolanda-martinez-03a9997
http://yolandasdrums.com/about-yolanda/
She sells "Native American drums" but doesn't make it clear if she complies with The Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990, I've not found any statement by her on being enrolled or certified as an artist.

Then there is Veronicah Cohen who offers "Love Hammock" sessions. I'm not kidding. This is described as platonic clothed cuddling, hair brushing, "breath inquiry". http://www.veronicah.com/love-hammock.html An example of her involvement with Gardner here http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Sponsored--TurtleWomyn-29th-Annual-Hat-ii-Hoya-Camp-Invitation.html?soid=1102224460459&aid=HA-t62DjsXU

Many of these and other Gardner/Tari acolytes may need their own threads.

Gardner's odd "Community Teachings" page http://www.yraceburu.org/community-teaching

I wondered at first if all this hustling is strenuous for Gardner and Tari, but now I don't think it is. They've been at this for decades, this is how they pay their bills. They are very experienced at cranking out b.s. They can manufacture dramas from time to time to keep their acolytes jumping.

I came across a photo of Gardner seated on the floor with a large atlas, paper, and magic markers. She was making b.s. up about supposed ley lines or whatever. The Gardner/Tari con job is a cut and paste, magic marker, rip off operation.


Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: Piff on August 29, 2016, 11:46:46 pm
Gardner claims she is "a livng descendant of Apache prophet Nochaydelklinne".

https://www.amazon.com/Prayers-Meditations-Quero-Apache-Yraceburu/dp/1591430240/ref=pd_rhf_dp_s_cp_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=6AE8QKVGRPD4Z4FMHGS3
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: mjmpride on August 30, 2016, 10:04:16 pm
What can be done to stop them?  I was sucked in by them for years and had no idea.  I just recently found out they are frauds and have pulled all my energies away from their endeavors.  I've been serving on their "Wise Council" for two years helping them raise money to buy the land they live on in New Mexico.
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: Piff on August 31, 2016, 03:57:49 am
Talking about your experience can help educate others.

You can contact relevant authorities to report anything illegal, tax fraud, misuse of GoFundMe etc.

What encouraged you to cut off contact? I see you are still listed on their council page and as recently as August 19 were advertising for them on Twitter.

Does the group shun or otherwise abuse people who leave?

First hand reports on frauds can be very helpful, I hope you are able to tell us more. Congrats on getting free of the group.

Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: educatedindian on August 31, 2016, 01:03:04 pm
This is the information she wrote in the email to raise money selling the prints:

Grandpa's Blessing... Fundraising Limited Edition Print
 
The non-profit group Yraceburu EarthWisdom works and operates from Taa-naash-kaa-da in new Mexico. Each year, they mentor 1700  people from all walks of life and through nearly as many venues....   

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Back Label Writing
This is the medicine of my grandfather, an Apache HolyMan who lived nearly 100 years.... My grandfather was a big YEW supporter and tireless humanitarian. When he passed in 1973, we buried him beneath the sacred crystal waterfalls in Arizona, so that he could be at the heart of his mother when he finally left her.   Maria Yraceburu
 
....Juan Ten Bears Yraceburu, Apache HolyOne, 196? - 1973....

So much wrong with these claims in such obvious ways. Really doubt she's had 1700 students/victims in her entire life, much less a single year. She didn't start her fraud business until the 2000s, so obviously her grandfather didn't endorse it. Yraceburu is not an Apache name. Apache certainly don't bury the dead under waterfalls, not traditionally or today. And certainly don't refer to them by anything as twinkie as "crystal waterfalls."

Gardner claiming descent from an earlier prophet is also ludicrous. That prophet and his family were killed in the Battle of Cibecue Creek. And none of them were "Qero." They were White Mountain.

MJM, I'm glad you got away as well. Please tell us all you can about your time with the Gardners. How did you encounter them? What id they teach you  and charge you? How did you become a council member? What made you realize they are frauds? The more information you share the more others will be warned away.

I also urge you to consider filing a civil lawsuit against them to recover your money. They defrauded you and everyone else who has gone to them.
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: mjmpride on August 31, 2016, 10:06:40 pm
It is a lot of information to write so know that I am compiling allI can from my memory to share with you.

I will have information for you soon.
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: mjmpride on September 01, 2016, 06:39:25 pm
I was first introduced through a close friend who said you have to meet this woman Maria Yraceburu/Sisters of Honua - Moon Lodge. 
At my friends suggestion I attended a moon lodge with Mary Jo/Maria. I believe it was in 2011.  I was given my name (Coyote Run), which also should have been a red flag.  It was in English.

I was drawn to Mary Jo/Maria during ceremony because she talked about the Pleiadians and I have had a strong connection the Pleiades since I was 19.

My friend did not come so I was there alone knowing no one.  I wish I trusted my intuition, but that’s the big lesson for me here.  At the moon lodge I distinctly remember not feeling drawn to anyone who was around Mary Jo/Maria.  That should have been a red flag right there, but I trusted my friend.

I had no reason to think she wasn’t Apache or even Native American for that matter.  I guess I just never even fathomed that someone would do that.
They moved to New Mexico so I never really saw them over the next few years or participated in any classes they were offering.  I think I attended 3 moon lodges here in San Diego.  But I supported them because of the Pleiadian connection and the recommendation of my friend.

In Oct 2014 she sent out this email requesting volunteers for the council.  So I joined:

Here is the email:

Dear Community Member:

Hello and good day.  Thank you for your time and and attention.  We'd like to ask you to consider our invitation to join us on the Yraceburu EarthWisdom Church Council.

It's an exciting time for Yraceburu EarthWisdom Church (YEW), with community needs and projects continuing to grow in scope and importance in our global extended family.  After a few fiscally and organizationally challenging years after moving to New Mexico, the church is currently well positioned to continue to grow and succeed in fulfilling its mission:  The mission of Yraceburu EarthWisdom Church is to preserve and protect our rights to commune with Earth and Spirit in our uniquely individual ways, with commitment to stewardship of the land base we call home – Taa-naash-kaa-da Sanctuary, education and support.

YEW has a well-established baseline of core projects which add value to the community and sustain the church.  We also have an exciting vision (with fund development in progress!) of how we can expand our contribution both locally and globally.

YEW is currently seeking enthusiastic, committed and service oriented individuals to serve on our Council.  We welcome the involvement of any interested parties, and are specifically seeking new members with the following skills and interests:
     •  Special Events Coordination – Organize and implement fundraising events
     •   Fundraising - Assist Council/Staff development team with grantwriting and fundraising events
     •   Legal professional - Human resources, labor, contracting, liability
These are a couple of areas we need help with, but are open to all who believe in what we do here, joining us.

Please consider joining us in achieving our vision!  You are invited to ask questions and determine your interest, and we can discuss net steps from there.  If you have any questions or comments, please do not hesitate to contact me by email maria.yraceburu@yahoo.com.  We can set up a skype appointment if you prefer.

hiyaa gozhoo dolee… may peace flow
Maria Yraceburu
diiyin - minister

I found this New Age Fraud Forum when I was actually staying on the land she is trying to but in New Mexico.  My wife and I were caring for it while they were in Ohio at Serpent Mound performing ceremony.

I didn't believe what was written then, and didn't really research it at that time.

But from that point I started watching Maria more closely to see if her actions were in alignment with words.

I find it interesting now that it was when I was actually on the land herself when I stumbled upon this forum.


These were some of the things that started adding up:

I had done an assignment that Maria gave me while they were away at Serpent Mound, walking the Medicine Wheel on the property.  When they returned, she told me that there was more to the assignment and the she would email me in a couple of days.

I never received the assignment.  And I didn't ask.  I watch actions. I made a note and continued to watch.

Next thing that troubled me was when I asked Maria what her email list size was.  I was helping her with sharing her teachings with her database.  She told me it was 5000.  When I was given access to her email hosting service, I found that her list was substantially smaller.  Only 1500. 
So during a council meeting I was discussing her list of 5000 in front of everyone and how important a list that size can be for the amount of money we need to raise.  She didn't correct me in front of everyone or later.  She continued to let everyone think that she has a list of 5000.

So she lied, was given an opportunity to correct it and didn't.

I also started reviewing things from the past and in Oct 2014 she was trying to do a fundraising competition to raise money to buy the land.  I was the only one who responded with any interest. (That should've been a red flag) So to thank me she said she was adding me to the volunteer list for SD Ak-Kine in May 2015 so I could get an inside look at how they do things.  When it came closer to the time to register, she told me I had to pay, that to volunteer there was still a fee.

This year I also started Hat'ii Level One which is an online class with Maria where you learn to put on whole day ceremony.  It is the first real training with her that I've done besides moon lodge and fire ceremony.

During one class we spent over half the class discussing what form of divination we used and what our experience was using divination tools to determine who is best fit for each role in the ceremony.

The next month she repeated the same class, asking us the same questions like she never even asked us before.  We were all so stunned we just went along with it. 

For someone who has been teaching as long as she has, it just didn't feel right. I never went back to class.

I have been serving on the council for 2 years now and have been supporting them to raise the money to get the land.  So I share their posts on FB. 

On one of the posts I shared, I received a comment from someone saying that I needed to do my research on Mary Jo Gardner, she isn't who she says she is.

So I took a closer look at all the claims that were being made here and through my own research found the claims to be true. 

I believe without a doubt that Maria isn't Apache, not even a little.  She is white, born to white parents.   
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: mjmpride on September 01, 2016, 09:19:52 pm
Non-Profit Status Letter
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: mjmpride on September 01, 2016, 09:22:21 pm
They have received non-profit status in New Mexico
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: mjmpride on September 02, 2016, 04:27:15 am
Grandpa's Blessing Linked In
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: educatedindian on September 05, 2016, 12:07:44 am
Thanks for your information MJM.

The Pleiades stories are not part of Apache or Navajo tradition. It's something she mangled from another tribe on the other side of the country.

The email list is good news in a way. Only 1500 people showing any interest at all in her decades of seeking followers. That she'd invite someone who hadn't taken part in three years to be in her "council" says how low the interest was. Just how many people attend a typical gathering? What is she charging?

And I urge you again to recover the money taken from you  by suing her. You could even do so in small claims court. 
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: mjmpride on September 06, 2016, 02:28:25 pm
20-30 people would attend moon lodge for $25 per person

2 yrs ago she reached out to her list for a fundraising competition to buy the land.  I was the only one who showed any interest.

She also charges volunteers!
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: mjmpride on September 06, 2016, 10:06:21 pm
Grandpas Blessing Fundraising link: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/grandpas-blessing-fundraising-limited-edition-print-maria-yraceburu
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: educatedindian on September 07, 2016, 01:28:22 pm
Yet again, so many problems with claims, this time in the print she's peddling of a supposed sand painting by an alleged grandfather.

It's very taboo to photograph actual sand paintings. They're for healing and are destroyed immediately after being made. I've never heard of any sand painting combined with photos. Esp an Edward Curtis one. Curtis staged photos of NDNs to make them look primitive.

Gardner's supposed grandfather Ten Bears...very unoriginal of her. The actual Ten Bears was Comanche. Fiction writers keep ripping off the name. First white supremacist Asa Carter used the name in Outlaw Josey Wales. Then it was used again in Dances With Wolves. Finally cult leader Harley Reagan claimed he was trained by a Navajo named Ten Bears.

Another claim of hers seems unlikely to me. She claims to have been struck by lightning and that's what began her fraud career. I can't find any site saying that besides hers. Surely someone surviving a lightning strike would make at least the local paper. 
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: Piff on November 29, 2016, 11:32:28 pm
The Yraceburus say they will be moving back to California.

http://www.yraceburu.org/blog/whatever-happened-to-taa-naash-kaa-da

No bank would loan them money for land purchase.

They leased to own the land they are on and fundraised for eventual purchase. I assume all the donations from followers will not be returned.
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: mjmpride on February 21, 2017, 01:41:19 pm
They are back in San Diego. They live in Ramona now and they are starting they're groups again.

https://www.facebook.com/events/381666695534888/
"Community Help and Hang Out Day"

https://static-promote.weebly.com/share/8954b1aa-c8fb-4a35-ab15-87680efa02e8
Helping Hooves program for PTSD

Will they ever stop!?
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: Piff on February 26, 2017, 11:56:12 pm
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Our particular lineage tradition of women was imparted by Grams Twylah Nitsch (seneca clan mother) when she trained Maria in the ways of the Coral Turtle Dreaming Society.

http://www.mariayraceburu.com/

Twylah Nitsch
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1046.msg42219#msg42219

Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: mjmpride on July 04, 2017, 02:27:33 pm
I ran a background check under the name she uses now and she has a possession charge that lists her as WHITE!!!

Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: Piff on September 07, 2017, 01:48:34 pm
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We are sad that the commitment we had hoped to meet coming back to San Diego has not manifested as we were promised by individual community members.

Yraceburu Earth Wisdom Southern California
August 18

Quote from their Facebook page.

Translation: These two fraudsters aren't making as much money in San Diego as they'd hoped.
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: Piff on September 17, 2018, 12:50:51 am
Just an FYI: Maria Yraceburu now looks entirely different, due to extensive dental work. Her photo is uploaded here.
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: Sparks on October 12, 2018, 08:18:26 pm
Just an FYI: Maria Yraceburu now looks entirely different, due to extensive dental work. Her photo is uploaded here.

Same photo here, with quite a different and shortened biography compared to some earlier versions:

Quote from: https://www.mariayraceburu.com/about.html
MARIA YRACEBURU - EARTHWISDOM ELDER, AUTHOR & TEACHER
Maria's Bio
When I was a kid I spent a lot of time running around in nature –while your feet are moving your mind is conversing with imaginary friends and wildlife. Sometimes I’d go rock hunting. My cousin would challenge me to stalk a butterfly, and off I’d go, flitting this way and that imitating the dance. Before I started school everything was surreal when I'd climb trees and swim in the pond. The family was a good place to be. They understood that the realities of contemporary life were lost in the visions of what could be. After graduation from Mission High, I spent sometime being a political activist, honing my ability to convience people that there was a better way to live life, learning to transfer my anger into plausible causes. Demonstrating made me feel important, but it never felt exactly right. It was frustrating at best, excruciating at worst. My family was exasperated over my choice of politics over spirit and land. Life in the future seemed so dark and impossible. I developed a depression that took me to the bottom of the pit.

Somewhere down the line I started teaching ways of Earth. My first step was as a guardian for Indigenous Elders. The second step was… well never mind, you get the idea.

One day I picked up a pen and started writing.  I was nearly 40 years old.   I sent my little essays  out to magazines and got rejected a lot. When I'd had it, I begin channeling prayer wheels for individuals.

Four years into my Prayermaking career, I got a call from Arielle Ford asking for a story to put in her anthology, Hot Chocolate for the Mystical Teenage Soul. It was a vision experience written about the first time I show my life partner, and I was paid a staggering $100.

With my head reeling from all this money, I plunged into writing books of EarthWisdom, teaching and leading ceremony full time, saying good-bye to not being seen. I wrote nonstop for the next five years, and had two books published by Bear & Company. It was a rewarding experience, but after Legends & Prophecies of the Quero Apache and Prayers and Meditations of the Quero Apache, I wanted to do more than what the editors at the company wanted, and decided to move into the world of self-publishing.

I spent two years retracking –working our earth lessons, learning to write how-to, practicing speaking in public. At the end of those years I created my SpiralDancing Life program. I would say that the program has produced some of my best written works, and I will admit to coming to the conclusion that the entire apprenticeship program borders on ingenuis.

It turns out I’m a really overamped ceremonialist with no hobbies or special interests. My favorite thing to do is ceremony and talking philosophy with people.

I listen to 60s music and I only watch happy movies. I motivate myself to move forward by spending money on something fun when I am afraid I won't make it. And now that I'm grown up, I've turned into Grandpa.

(https://www.mariayraceburu.com/uploads/1/6/6/2/16621400/published/mariav.png?1534976697)
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: Sparks on October 12, 2018, 08:29:29 pm
Less than two years ago, this was one her biographies, with her photograph, and also a 1:30:1 long audio:

Quote from: http://www.qmamedia.com/show-updates/2017/1/30/maria-yraceburu-native-healing-in-a-modern-world
Encore! Maria Yraceburu: Native Healing in a Modern World
January 30, 2017
Maria Yraceburu is a Native American, from the Apache Tribe. She is an author and tlish diyan da'igoti for humankind and the Earth Mother. She is the founder and spiritual director of Yraceburu EarthWisdom, a nonprofit that promotes relationship between earth and humans, sharing cross-cultural teachings from around the world from Indigenous earth-wisdom. A culture bearer and longtime teacher, she has authored 13 books. Maria also serves Taa-naash-kaa-da Sanctuary in Las Vegas, New Mexico, as program director and advisor in residence. Maria Yraceburu has twice been awarded the Presidential Humanitarian Award. Maria Yraceburu has lived the ways of the Apache Tlish Diyan all her life, studying with Grandfather Juan Ten Bears Yraceburu, a direct descendant of Apache Dreamer and Prophet Nochaydelklinne. Her gift is in bringing these teachings into the modern world, revealing step by step, how we can align our lives and co-create peace.
http://www.taanaashkaada.org/
http://www.mariayraceburu.com/
http://www.yraceburu.org/
http://www.yraceburu.org/books.html
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: Sparks on October 12, 2018, 08:42:51 pm
Here is an undated (2008 or newer) biography with those Apache claims:

Quote from: http://www.wisewomanradio.com/interviews/mariayraceburu.html
Wise woman Radio
Learning about Earth's Wisdom with Maria Yraceburu
Susun Weed interviews Maria Yraceburu, native american philospher, educator and community leader

Maria Yraceburu is an Apache idealist Tlish Diyan philosopher, educationist, painter and community council maria yraceburuleader. She is commonly regarded as the most important Tlish Diyan thinker, with interpretations of EarthWisdom that denies the polarity of the contemporary thought.

Born Maria Yraceburu in Downey, California, her childhood name was Naylin 'iskinihi. Her father was a captain in the army during Viet Nam. She learned the traditional ways of her heritage from Grandfather Juan Ten Bears Yraceburu.

Known as Naakai Ts'ilsoose ("Returning Star) in traditional indigenous circles, she served as a guardian to various indigenous elders until being sent on her Warrior's Task to share the vision of the new time with the world in 1973.

Yraceburu became a successful ceremonialist and is known for the energetic timing she accesses in all of her work, choreographing healing and life celebration.and was presented a honoring "ecopsychology" degree in 1999.

In 1999, while working in Santa Rosa, California, she had her first short story published in an anthology compiled by Arielle Ford, and made one of the earliest references to her Tlish Diyan life philosophy, a storyteller manner transported readers from the linear thinking of contemporary thought to newly-acquaited possibilities found in ancient prophecy.

While working in Santa Rosa, she and life partner Lynda, also worked through traditional ways to rehabilitated drug addicts, and reconstructed what was lost by the battered women. Though she was acknowledge by her tradition, she was ostracized for 50% white blood.

Thirty-eight years after her birth, she was given the role of Bundle Caretaker.

In 2007 she began her initiations into the Elders' Society

She is co-founder of Yraceburu EarthWisdom, a 501 (c) 3 eco-spiritual community. Yraceburu is the leading figure in the SpiralDancing Community of EarthWisdom, a continuance of her lineage teachings from Grandfather Ten Bears and her eco-sychology work. This community champions an interpretation of EarthWisdom that unifies knowledge and action.

Her books are Legends & Prophecies of the Quero Apache (Bear & Co, 2002), Prayers & Meditations of the Quero Apache (Bear & Co., 2004), Wisdom of the Rainbow Serpent (YEW, 2005), Words of Power (YEW, 2008), and her latest compilation anthology Sisters of Honua: Those Who Stand with Ancestors. Her most important work to date is the planned community investment sustainability project Taanaashkaada Sanctuary.

She holds that time exists simultaneously in space because the united thought created them. She believes that it is intent that shapes reality, and the dream that gives reason to the world.

Therefore, the evolution is the source of all truth. She understands this to be an inner understanding, an innate calling to find a lifeway of cooperation.
Title: Re: Maria Yraceburu
Post by: Sparks on October 13, 2018, 02:50:08 am
She is on Facebook as Yraceburu EarthWisdom.  Her wall is open for reading. http://www.facebook.com/tsilsoose

That profile now yields "Sorry, this content isn't available at the moment".

This is her present FB profile, with very recent postings: https://www.facebook.com/yraceburuearthwisdom

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Intro
I have come to say a word… will you listen?
Founder at Yraceburu Earth Wisdom Southern California
Followed by 100 people
Manages Maria Yracébûrû, Connect to the Earth and Sisters of Honua Project

The links mentioned, with URLs of related Internet sites added, if given:
https://www.facebook.com/EarthWisdomSD/ [Yraceburu Earth Wisdom Southern California] https://www.yraceburu.org/
https://www.facebook.com/Maria.Yraceburu/ [Facebook Page; not Profile.] https://www.mariayraceburu.com/
https://www.facebook.com/esonknhsendehi/ [Connect to the Earth] https://www.connecttotheearth.com/
https://www.facebook.com/SistersofHonua/ [Sisters of Honua Project]
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: Sparks on October 13, 2018, 03:03:21 am
Almost all previous links in the forum to pages under their domain https://www.yraceburu.org/ do not work.

I'll quote a small part from this page, where they claim really 'ancient knowledge':

Quote from: https://www.yraceburu.org/about-us.html
–Explore The Range–
ENVISIONED IN 1824
Nochaydelklinne – Sees Beyond the Stars – or the Apache Dreamer, was one of the first visionaries to bring forth visions of this time. Since then we have built a reputation as one of the world’s leading earth wisdom communities. The founding of Yraceburu EarthWisdom draws on the vital contributing influences of our cross-cultural family of mystics - and of their respective trainings, combined with the Yraceburu traditional methods and ceremonial ways.

–Rich Legacy–
YRACEBURU
Yraceburu EarthWisdom eco-spiritual community was founded by members of the Yraceburu family in 2002. The original name "Yraceburu", is from the ancient athapascan, meaning Snake Heart - and holds  a close association with a form of healing and spirituality that began nearly 10,000 years ago. The Yraceburu family have been practicing these ways for centuries, upgrading for relevance in each phase of the human journey.

My bolding in that last paragraph. The phrase 'the ancient athapascan' must be totally meaningless, considering this:

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabaskan_languages
Athabaskan or Athabascan (also Dene, Athapascan, Athapaskan) is a large family of indigenous languages of North America, located in western North America in three groups of contiguous languages: Northern, Pacific Coast and Southern (or Apachean). Kari and Potter 2010:10 place the total territory of the 53 Athabaskan languages at 1,563,000 mi2 or 4,022,000 km2.

I'd really like to know what they are referring to when they claim "a form of healing and spirituality that began nearly 10,000 years ago". How do they know it's 10,000 and not 9,000 or 11,000 years ago? Usually, only archaeologists can estimate such past datings. So, do they have archaelogical evidence?
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu, Lynda Tari AKA Lynda Yrace
Post by: Sparks on October 13, 2018, 03:24:20 am
At the page I quoted from in my previous post I found this undated photo of the two women who are the topic(s) of this present NAFPS thread:


Quote from: https://www.yraceburu.org/about-us.html
Kahuna Kalei'iliahi & Woody Bailey facilitating Lynda & Maria Yraceburu's Wedding

So if they are legally married in the state where this event took place (or later), there should be a marriage certificate with their legal names on it, that would be interesting to see, since these persons re-named themselves in the past?
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner/Maria Naylin/Maria Yraceburu & Lynda Tari/Lynda Yraceburu
Post by: Sparks on October 12, 2019, 10:05:13 pm
Maria Yraceburu (https://www.facebook.com/yraceburuearthwisdom) has posted today and about 20 other times in this public Facebook group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2212065050/ [Shamanism]

Also very active in this public Facebook group, which she manages:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/447651478686086/ [EarthWisdom Global Prayer Web]

She has a YouTube channel, last updated this week:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGzhTxpTI3QPzvl02nmrgbQ

That links to: https://www.mariayraceburu.com/

I also found links to a calendar, where you can sign up for
"Womyn's Mystic Mentorship Session — 2 hours @ $234.00".
https://app.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php?owner=17346800&appointmentType=9408251

Then there is another Facebook page (linking to https://www.yraceburu.org/ (https://www.yraceburu.org/)):
https://www.facebook.com/EarthWisdomSD/ [Yraceburu EarthWisdom]

That FB page is managed by Lynda Yraceburu (https://www.facebook.com/lynda.yraceburu.7) and Maria Yraceburu (https://www.facebook.com/yraceburuearthwisdom).

Finally, another active Facebook page, (reported by me one year ago):
https://www.facebook.com/Maria.Yraceburu/ [Maria Yracébûrû]

I think the above pretty much sums up their online presence as of this time.
Title: Re: Mary Jo Gardner AKA Maria Naylin AKA Maria Yraceburu & LINDA YRACEBURU
Post by: Sparks on January 11, 2020, 05:45:36 am
At the page I quoted from in my previous post I found this undated photo of the two women who are the topic(s) of this present NAFPS thread:
Quote from: https://www.yraceburu.org/about-us.html
Kahuna Kalei'iliahi & Woody Bailey facilitating Lynda & Maria Yraceburu's Wedding
So if they are legally married in the state where this event took place (or later), there should be a marriage certificate with their legal names on it, that would be interesting to see, since these persons re-named themselves in the past?

That page is not available any more (404 Error) although https://www.yraceburu.org/ exists.

I notice that LYNDA Yraceburu is now LINDA Yraceburu. At the above site this pops up:

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Linda Yraceburu
sign up for my mailing list & get my free EarthSpirit Photography ebook Six Keys to Success

See also:
https://www.yraceburu.org/linda.html
https://www.yraceburu.org/about-linda.html
https://www.yraceburu.org/linda-courses.html