But I can assure you from my personal experience,
that nobody will be excluded from sweats for money.
I can invite you anytime to share a sweat
without any donation at all.
Another thing, that I have learned is , that no
native person would gossip about their fellow
tribe members. If they have an issue with somebody, they stand up, say their name and
clear it up in a personal attempt.
If you have experienced something different by hearing things, I would like to suggest, to go to the
sundance and talk to the tribemembers, to get
an eye to eye information.
Maybe that would help to get real information.
personal needs, but maybe he could help others
to find peace with themselves, so we can make this
world a better place.
No native person would gossip about another?? Hahahaha! That is funny! Yes, we do gossip about people. We are human beings with the same foibles as anyone else. And the fact that this man's own family is willing to denounce him says buckets.
Annika, is this the same guy who abandoned a wife and children to shack up with one of his euro groupies? If so, why would ANYONE want to learn from someone like that?? Someone so dishonorable as that would have very little respect among traditional people in my experience.
As you are organising for some Natives too Annika, how are you dealing with all of that ? I asume you try to give them somthing along as well to take home for there time and lectures.
WOW! >:(
I am a pipe carrier with seven years of piercing scars on my arms and hands. I do not take these accusations lightly. If they 'are' true, I consider the implications very serious and appaulogise on my part for all inappropriate actions that have occured associated with our Sundance.
This is why I OBJECT TO OUR PEOPLE MARRYING NON NATIVE
THEY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR OUR TRADITIONS.
Any real indian person would never make these kind of bragging, demeaning statements.
What are the Native people doing in Europe when there own people need help?
Sunday, Sept 30 - Monday, Oct 1 - SOLD OUT
Medicine Wheel I - counseling and healing through the sacred circle
For beginners or for those who want to 'brush up'
The term 'the circle' is a possibility to express the relatedness of all things with each other. It is a perspective in which one affirms one's own experience of the physical world, the world of events, of emotions, of thoughts, and of replationships. The Indians called this circle of life 'the medicine wheel'. By explaining the medicine wheel Pablo Russell gives us a deep insight into understanding life and enables practical counceling. He explains the different stages of life of a person (birth, youth, adult, elder person) on the medicine wheel as well as the development of love, of faith, of trust and of sharing within these stages and their deeper meaning in the life of a person. Participants of this seminar will learn to integrate this knowledge into their own lives and start a path of healing. A healing which takes place on all four levels, the emotional, the mental, the physical and the spiritual level.
Pablo Russell is a fullblood Indian of the Blackfoot Tribe in Alberta, Canada. His Indian name is "Shooting in the air". He is an Elder of his tribe, a respected teacher, medicineman, sundancer and sundance leader. Pablo was brought up by his grandparents with the Blood Indians and the traditional and secret knowledge of his tribe was given to him in the direct line. Pablo Russell is an extremely charismatic personality and a great story teller who
touches and opens the hearts of people with his humourous and sensitive ways.
Please bring: As we will organize a sweatlodge in the evening, you will receive a list of things to bring along when you book the event.
Fee: EURO 200 incl. sweatlodge
Medicine Wheel 2 - Medicine Wheel I contd.
Fee: EURO 100
Blackfoot sweatlodge ceremonies, lecture, dance, songs, workshop about the medicine wheel
With this site we will try and gather info on all arrangements of Pablo Russell and the persons he cooperates with and all places he got invited to for leading something in Denmark.
Island of Fyn, Sept 2007:
Sept 8, 2007
Building of a new sweatlodge, followed by a sweatlodge ceremony led by Joe Irmer from Germany.
Read more on sundance leader Joe Irmer at www.duebbekold.de
(Translator's note: one of the things the reader will learn about Irmer is that he has been made a Bishop by the Blackfoot nation, so he now claims to be the highest ranking representative of an indigenous nation in Europe! Irmer claims to have cooperated with Morris Crow, too.)
Sept 18-20
Pablo Russell comes to Strandbo in Svendborg
There will be two days of vision quest, workshop on medicine wheel, lecture, and sweatlodge etc.
Tuesday, 18 - lecture in Arhus
Wednesday, 19 - lecture in Copenhagen
Thursday 20 - sweatlodge
Thursday/Friday 20/21 - 2-day workshop medicine wheel Part 1
Friday 21 - sweatlodge
Sat/Sun 22/23 - 2-day workshop medicine wheel part 2
Sat 22 - sweatlodge
Sat - Mon 22-24 - vision quest
Sun 23 - info for participants of vision quest in 2008
Mon 24 - sweatlodge
More details click here
Register for above arrangements:
Ulla Coco Jensen StrandboKurser a/s
Skårupøre Strandvej 54, 5881 Skårup
www.strandbokurser.dk info@strandbokurser.dk
Telefon: +45 7020 6709 / Mobil: +45 4063 1042
Sept 18 - 28, Fyn Sweat, 2 day vision quest, medicine wheel contact:
Ulla www.strandbokurser.dk
Sjælland oktober 2007, /v Pablo Russell
18.-31. oktober 2007 Helsinge/København
Planned programme:
Fri Oct 19: Workshop Helsinge: Small dreamcatchers and sweatlodge ceremony
Time: 2-5 p.m. and 5-11p.n.
Helsinge. Pris: Workshop 250,- ex materialer, inkl. te, kaffe og kage.
Pris: Svedehytte 500,- inkl. aftensmad efter ceremonien.
(Translator's note: these prices in Danish Crowns convert to approx EURO 35 for the workshop and EURO 70 for the sweat)
Sat Oct 20: Workshop Helsinge: Medicine wheel 1 + sweatlodge ceremony
Time: 9.30a.m.-5p.m. and 5-11 p.m.
Price: workshop 500 Crowns incl breakfast,
sweatlodge: 500 Crowns incl meal after the ceremony
Sun Oct 21 - Workshop Copenhagen: Medicine wheel 2
Time: 12-5 p.m.
Sun Oct 21 - Singing and Drumming, Copenhagen
Time: 7-9.30 p.m.
Price: 150 Crowns incl tea/coffee and cake (i.e. EURO 20)
Sat Oct 27 - sweatlodge Helsinge
Time: 5 p.m.
Price: 500 Crowns incl meal after the ceremony
Mon Oct 29 - lecture Frederiksberg
Time: 7-9.30 p.m. Bringing up children as seen from Indian eyes.
Bookings for all arrangements at tel: 48 79 63 03/23 44 72 52 or
mail: zita@tisvilde.
Special arrangement with coaching forum:
Tue Oct 23 - lecture "Insights for your life"
Time: 7-11 p.m.
details at http://www.coachforum.net/
Wed and Thur Oct 24-25: Workshop Native Laadership
Booking of workshop at http://www.coachforum.net/
Sat/Sun Oct 27/28 Workshop Natural Coaching
Time 10a.m.-4 p.m.
Booking and detailed info at http://www.coachforum.net/
[...]
During the ceremony, Pablo will pour water onto the stones, drums, burns herbs and sings; some of the songs we will learn to sing with him.
The swetlodge ceremony has got 4 rounds (approx 20 minutes per round), and after most rounds you will be able to go out and cool off. After this, we will smoke the Indian pipe and have a meal, which will strengthen truths and wishes that we found out about during the ceremony.
Pablo is the one who will gather all wishes and the pain realeased in the sweatlodge and who will take them to creator. This is where the healing power of the sweatlodge lies.
Practical information:
When the ceremony starts, Pablo or someone else will explain the ceremony, what you will and will not get during the ceremony.
There are many rituals in connections with the sweatlodge and they will be done in English and Danish.
[...]
Donation of rugs
The sweatlodge will get covered with approx 60 woollen rugs, and you are welcome to donate one or more rugs for the sweatlodge.
Warriors Wisdom:
The Indians divide people into warriors or victims.
# To be a warrior does not mean that you must be aggressive or violent. It means that you are in balance and cares about your relations.
# A warrior put the winds in motion and starts things. A victim gets blown away by the wind.
# A warrior takes responsibility - for themselves, the family, the tribe, the company, the society. A victim pushes the responsibility away, and blames other people if anything goes wrong.
# A warrior is honest and says things short, sweet and to the point". A victim creates a web of small and big lies around them.
# A warrior respects other people. A victim judges other people.
# A warrior is in balance and follows the ways of love. A victim is stressed, confused and full of fear.
It's a life long education to find the warrior path, but it's worth working on every day!
........by Pablo Russell, a Blackfoot from Alberta, Canada
Earth I am not trying to be a 'real' Indian person nor am I intersted in being anyone but myself. I am not native. I am getting the impression that because I do not behave in the manner you see fit, perhaps the simple fact that I am making any statement at all, nothing I will ever say or do will meet your approval. Am I wrong? If so I am sorry.
I have also met people that hate 'white people'...I term of convenience...that hate white people so much that when they meet a real person, they try to badger them into proving that they are worthy of their hatred and distain because they cannot except anyone who would challenge that perception they want so badly to hold on to.
Some people need to hate. Some people find strength and power in hatred.
Peace to you Earth. I am just a human being. I suspect you know darned well I was not bragging. Besides, what I said is not untypical of the way of speaking here in Blood Tribe Territory. I didn't plan it consciously to look a certain way! People sometimes have to refer to their experience. Have you seen me flinging my 'Indian name' around? No, I have been referring to myself only in so far as I have to to autheniticate my statements. You however, say little or nothing of who you are. That is fine. I am simply drawing a comparrison within this dialogue. However, people here say who they are. That is the 'Indian way' here.
I am not a perfect human being, but I think I carry myself resonably well overall. I can always grow and learn to do better I'm sure. No one here has ever told me I had to be perfect.
Peace, peace, peace.
I read this and I think: it's as though we've all been brought back to square one in regards to what is spiritual and are all having to re-find and re-claim what we already know.
I think that each person can choose what to offer to a relationshipI think you are saying that men and women have equal rights and responsibilities to choose and design the sorts of sexual relationships they are involved in. Am I right?
If someone offers monogamous commitment to someone else
then let it be so, but it does not automatically entitle them to receive the same thing in return
that again, is the choice of that person to offer it
Making the choice to engage in committal [sic] relationships is often a forum for challenges and growth
But some people choose not to...and some do, but then change their minds
and choose again
But in the end, it is a matter of choice. And you only get what you put into it.
I doubt Pablo has ever forced someone to do anything they didnt want to do
The fact is when a spiritual leader engages in sex with a student, it is, for all intents and purposes, sexual abuse. The reason? There is no mutual consent. It is a “power-over” relationship. If it is a member of the clergy, a teacher at school, a medical doctor, a psychologist or social worker……all of these professions have very clear ethical and professional standards to inform and decide their activities with those who have come to depend upon them for instruction, guidance, advice and support. These ethical standards are to provide protection for the vulnerable, and accountability for those in the position of power.
When there is a relationship with an imbalance of power, trust and vulnerability (like in the helping professions mentioned above), by extension there can be no consent in a sexual relationship.
Too bad there is not a published document for ethical guidelines for “medicine men.” But that’s one of the reasons this forum exists.QuoteI doubt Pablo has ever forced someone to do anything they didnt want to do
In the absence of consent, this is exactly what he is doing.
I think you are saying that men and women have equal rights and responsibilities to choose and design the sorts of sexual relationships they are involved in. Am I right?
I think you are suggesting that there is an equal playing field when it comes to relationships, and that men and women share a social equality that negates the dynamics of privilege and power. Yes?
And I also think you are suggesting that if you put enough into a relationship you will get good things back. And if you “only get what you put into it”, as you say, being victimized by mental, physical, spiritual, emotional, financial or sexual abuse in your relationship is because you….
Wait a minute. You probably didn’t mean that at all. Right?
The fact is when a spiritual leader engages in sex with a student, it is, for all intents and purposes, sexual abuse. The reason? There is no mutual consent. It is a “power-over” relationship. If it is a member of the clergy, a teacher at school, a medical doctor, a psychologist or social worker……all of these professions have very clear ethical and professional standards to inform and decide their activities with those who have come to depend upon them for instruction, guidance, advice and support. These ethical standards are to provide protection for the vulnerable, and accountability for those in the position of power.
When there is a relationship with an imbalance of power, trust and vulnerability (like in the helping professions mentioned above), by extension there can be no consent in a sexual relationship.
Too bad there is not a published document for ethical guidelines for “medicine men.” But that’s one of the reasons this forum exists.QuoteI doubt Pablo has ever forced someone to do anything they didnt want to do
In the absence of consent, this is exactly what he is doing.
I must say something here.
Ska I like what you have to say about language. Now, this too you must know: Pablo's first language is indeed Blackfoot. He is Kainai (Blood) and is in many ways, a traditional person in his roots, having had much of his upbringing as his grandmothers 'eldest grandchild'. She was as second mother to him. He knows many old stories, and he did not even learn english until he went to school. He has a very traditional family actually.
As a young man, he was more into rodeo than ceremonies. (There were many many years where ceremony was a secret affair on reserves, and everyone was encouraged to be catholic cowboys instead.) Eventually though, Pablo found his was though that and became a Sundancer. His elder, and second father, Morris Crow, brought the Lakota sundance lodge to the Blood reserve, by gifting elders in S Dakota and earning the rites as per protocal. Pablo, in turn, did receive those rites. He has danced more times than any other person I have met. This all happened many years ago, and it is just recently that some of this is being relaized, and coming in to the bigger picture.
So for the last 10 years or so pablo has been doing his euro tours. Im not going to say whether this is right, or wrong, because essentially, that is between him and the Creator. I do know that it isnt entirely something he 'chose'. It sort of fell to him, and for various reasons he has been back forth across the ocean many times. If things are as they were a few years back, then I can guarantee you he gets homesick often.
His conduct does come into question. Is he doing the right thing? the wrong thing? Perhaps he has made some foolish choices. I know he has in the past had difficulties with relationships and addictions. I hope and pray he continues to heal,as we all do. He has alot of weaknesses, and also a lot of strengths. But he most definitely not a 'fake'.
Well lets see here, the topic of this thread is "frauds and fakes" or something of that range. I joined this discussion to clarify that indeed Pablo is not a fraud or a fake. He may be misguided and off track, but he never claims to be something he is not. He has earned his ceremonial rites are per proper protocol, Annonimous somewhat agrees, but claims her main issue with Pablo is "sexual exploitation" of women.
Perhaps at times he is the fool, but always genuine.
I read this and I think: it's as though we've all been brought back to square one in regards to what is spiritual and are all having to re-find and re-claim what we already know.
With respect, I ask you to be mindful of the fact that, in general, people in this forum are not rootless seekers. Many here are rather traditional and not having to question or start over. Many (most?) here are not part of the mainstream, dominant culture so please pay attention when you start to make statements like "we all", especially when they come from a non-NDN perspective. And please stay on topic. If you want to opine on your personal feelings about sexual and spiritual and boundaries and betrayals, take it to etc or another forum. Thanks.
indeed, you make very good points annomninous
and you have in fact, truly bought it all into a little more focus, yes indeed the issue of crossing boundaries from helper to lover is quite clearly one of the reoccurring themes in this story, and yet it is quite a complex and layered issue
spiritual abuse and sexual abuse are not uncommonly tied together in first nations communities. i am not excusing or condoning this, but pointing it out, and speaking what many are unable to say. i think we all know the root cause of this legacy, ..and continue to support the healing of religious/residential schools survivors and be aware of the intergenerational trauma that continues. most of the many first nations ppl i know are victims of sexual abuse and/ or insest- almost all actually.
i am not saying or assuming that this is the case with pablo, but making a bigger point about the communities at large, and a realistic picture. today we have many pipe carriers, sundancers, helpers and elders that do not come from a purity vacuum, it seems we are all on a long journey towards rebuilding from oppression of persons, and ethocide of peoples. sometimes i think that this generation has left some slim pickings sometimes, but there are those who have been chosen to carry the gifts forward to the next generation
western culture really does far divide sexuality and spirituality..."minister" brings up images of a white robed celibate or a wholesome family man. this collective denial of the sexual nature of the 'spiritual man' does often lead to abuse of sexuality, which is actually a gift. indigenous worldview is more apt to accept and embrace sexuality, and its connection to the sacred. it is this contradiction which is found at very core of this common issue of such "sexual exploitations" ... it is a perpetuation of crossed boundaries, by wounded and confused persons
yes it appears pablo is one to cross boundaries that at times he shouldnt. perhaps he has not fully learned to respect women, and the role they play in his life. the very fact that he is still a lonely man seeking comfort in the affections of young beautiful ladies speaks to the likelihood that he still sees a woman, not fully as an alli in his work, but as an activity in his play. i think someday he will come to understand this, and if/when it does happen he would be gifted and better guided. i am of the belief that even his misguided actions of 'selling' (is he really doing that these days?) of ceremonies stems from his lack of womans wisdom in his daily life, an imbalance.
it is a sad story, yet the saddest part is that this type of thing is more common than ppl might think. there are in fact many many men who act in the same way...only most of them dont venture all the way across the sea, and end up with such a high profile, and on a site like this ....but believe me, there are ....and there are also many woman who share the story of being confused and mislead by this sort of thing....so no, we cant excuse or ignore it..... we really need to come to understand it as sisters, mothers, daughters and grandmothers, and the rights and responsibilities that entails..... understanding our own power as women is an important part of stopping these abuse cycles, and correcting the "imbalances of power" .....we as women hold great power in the direction of our families, the fate of our men, and we need to reclaim this
but in the end, we all have to walk on our own two feet, and we are accountable for what we do... so im not going to judge pablo, he has his own accountability to contend with, and whether or not he harms .... for what we do to others, we do to ourselves
Read more: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?action=pm#ixzz1XLwrNag2
I wish ALL EUROPEANS would BAN ALL CEREMONIES being sold by Pablo Russel. Without the monetary support of the Europeans, there simply would be no Sundance led by this man. He is not charging the locals to sundance or to sweat. The sundance is not possible without European involvement and money. To put it very clearly, Pablo does NOT have the support of his Nation or the support of the communities. He's a rogue defector, an embarrassment, and at worst a sexual predator.
Again, it is up to the Europeans as without them, Pablo has neither the financial resources nor the human interest for his Sundance to continue. It is YOUR money that allows him to continue. He is not being supported by the local communities.
There are many many ways for Europeans to re-connect with the indigenous spiritualities of their/your own native lands. I would encourage each of you to do your own research on your own ancestral and spiritual lineages, and consider pursuing a path that perhaps is more honourable to your own ancestors. Supporting a man who doesn't have the respect of his own Nation damages people on both sides of the ocean. No one benefits (except Pablo and his cronies financially) and many are harmed.
But there is a little misunderstanding:
I think Germans go to a lecture about a culture on the brink of extinction because many Germans live in a state of constantly feeling guilty.
But Europeen culture is by today a patch work.
And these nuagers have started to patch work their "own".
Because they got no own, sadly
or they don't like their own e.g. the gebocide history!
Still, most of them come from the category "nice and harmless".
If an Aboriginal patient requests access to traditional ways of healing, herbal medicines or other types of cultural support in Calgary, it is likely Camille “Pablo” Russell will get a call.Emphasis mine
A traditional wellness counselor for Alberta Health Services and Blackfoot Elder who was raised on the Blood reserve near Lethbridge, Russell knows that when Aboriginal people are sick, their road to wellness is smoother if they have access to the comfort of their culture and traditions.
“We are covering a large region in southern Alberta,” says Russell, 48, who has been a student of herbs and healing for 23 years. “I do a lot of work in palliative care and in the hospices. We have a team approach to our patients as there are often complex cases.”
June 25
Aboriginal Health Program Telehealth Learning Series,
Traditional healing, herbal medicines and cultural support for Aboriginal patients by Hal Eagletail, Wayne Burnstick and Camille (Pablo) Russell. Register at
https://vcscheduler.ca/ahs
Call Kendra Bishop (403) 943-xxx
Traditional Aboriginal counsellor at Calgary Remand Center
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Hospital & Health Care
Current:
Alberta Health Services,
Calgary Remand Center
Lecture by Camille Pablo Russell