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A top follower of Joan Scheer is still active. "Deep Arrow Woman" / Lorraine Simone is still doing her deep arrow woman thing.

Moonfire Meeting House, a center for holistic wellness, earth education and spiritual unfolding, was founded in 1990 by Lorraine Simone, M.S. Ed., also known to many of you as Deep Arrow Woman.

https://moonfiremeetinghouse.com/about/

THE Rev. Lorraine Simone, also known by her Indian spirit name, Deep Arrow Woman, held a stick festooned with yarn and seashells. She instructed a group of 10 women and one man to pass it around and feel its vibrations, telling them the stick contained the energy ''of a lot of lives.''

During a five-hour workshop called ''The Goddess in Winter: a Guide to Rebirth,'' Ms. Simone, 53, sometimes broke into chants she identified as coming from an Indian tribe in the Pacific Northwest. At other times she shook two brightly colored rattles.

''I'm going to try and teach you how to die and to prepare for a new life in the spirit,'' she told the group.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140220121124/https://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/03/nyregion/it-s-not-what-they-taught-in-catholic-sunday-school.html

Ms. Simone said she had been initiated as a ceremonialist by Oh Shinnah Fast Wolf, an Apache and Mohawk elder and author, and had studied tribal cultures for 18 years. ''I don't feel I'm some non-native person ripping off native tradition,'' she said. ''I've put in my time and am constantly studying.''

https://web.archive.org/web/20150527202723/http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/03/nyregion/it-s-not-what-they-taught-in-catholic-sunday-school.html?pagewanted=2

"Indian tribe in the Pacific Northwest" - which one? If we define PNW as roughly WA, OR, ID states, that is over 40 federally recognized tribes. Probably she was singing something garbled and made up. If not, did she have permission?

Her grotesque lies were endless.

She claimed she did an Apache initiation involving emerging from kivas, running with water in her mouth, spitting the water into natural earth depressions. She said both boys and girls had to do this. And that girls had to do this twice....

This woman follower is active in the fraud game: https://chamanisme.eu/minthe-english/

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Medicine woman, water missionary, from Walloon origin, Minthe has been adopted as her daughter by Grandmother Oh Shinnah Fast Wolf, and received from her the « Woman Warrior Initiation ».

As such, she is now part of the Apache Nation, where she is called « Hatch Oh Neh » (Standing Strong Woman).

We have mention of Minthe here: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3516.msg29986#msg29986

Where to begin...kinaalda ceremony is not secret, is not anything like that, and doesn't involve kivas. Kivas are Pueblo and Hopi. Kinaalda is for girls becoming women. The male equivalent really isn't practiced anymore, but it wasn't anything at all like the female ceremony, and nothing like Scheer's phony version.

"Hatch oh neh" doesn't mean that name at all, and that name is more like Plains tribes. It's an obvious Nuage knockoff of Lakota style names. "Hatch oh neh" sounds like what it is, a white imposter taking a reference she found in a book to Apaches in general and mangling it to mean something completely different, knowing her gullible desperate-for-meaning white followers wouldn't bother to check. I'm far from fluent, but none of that means woman or standing or strong in any Apachean dialect.

It's also pretty obvious they don't even know there are multiple Apachean dialects and Apache peoples. But what can you expect from people believing in a pale as a Klansman's sheet German woman wearing a yarn wig and imitation Plains tribal regalia?

Joan Scheer "Oh Shinnah Fastwolf" was an arrogant, condescending, abusive liar. Hopefully her devotees will eventually understand this.

Scheer delighted in telling stories about being unstable and abusive.

She says that when a doctor told her medical news she did not like, she physically slapped him hard. And then walked out, slamming the door so hard that the glass in it broke.

https://www.merliannews.com/new_podcast_interview_with_oh_shinnah_fast_wolf_917/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7631374/?ref_=rt_t_6
All is Made Beautiful: Native American Traditions with Warrior Woman Oh Shinnah Fast Wolf
Original title: All Is Made Beautiful: Native American Traditions with Warrior Woman Oh Shinnah Fast Wolf
TV Movie 2007 1h 5m

Featured review 1/10 A German Named Joan Scheer
"Oh Shinnah Fastwolf" was born Joan Scheer. A German American woman who made her career out of posing as Native. Later she used the stage name Penny McKelvey before stealing the Fastwolf name.

From Native Net: "Another "phony" by the name of Oh Shinnah Fastwolf, who claimed to be a Cherokee Grandmother, who did healings with Crystals. Couple of years earlier, she was a "folkie" in the Chicago area, according to C. Fastwolf who doesn't appreciate his name being used by some fraud. Ms. McKelvey stole the Fastwolf name from an actual Native American (Lakota) family in order to giver herself some credibility with her crystal healing scams.

McKelvey charges nine hundred dollars for a week in Glacier National Park. Fast Wolf is an old and honored name among Oglala, says Calvin Fast Wolf, and he considers his family insulted by her business."

She also posed as Apache, Cheyenne, and Mohawk. Pretend Buddhism along with pretend Native ceremonies for lots of cash. A shameless con artist. Pray for those harmed by her.

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001B187EI/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B001B187EI&linkCode=as2&tag=valleyente083-20&linkId=AALQ25EJVCECHX2J
All Is Made Beautiful
Meet Oh Shinnah Fast Wolf, the internationally renowned Warrior Woman and elder of the Apache People....
Oh Shinnah also reveals what she considers her most important work today: The Journey of the Waters, a sacred
pilgrimage following the Apache trail of purification and transformation. Once a year, she and her most trusted
student, Deep Arrow Woman, take an international group of non-native men and women on this journey through the
mystical mountains and healing waters of New Mexico and Colorado.

Ashley
1.0 out of 5 stars Not THAT Authentic Native American Spirituality
Reviewed in the United States on December 8, 2010
Verified Purchase
I was disappointed in this purchase as I was looking for an authentic Native American product. I lead a women's Bible study and spirituality group and we had been doing a study on world faiths. Of course, we wanted to look at the spiritual paths of the First Nations, so I went looking for multi-media resources specifically about storytelling. THIS was NOT a good choice for us.

If you are looking for a funky, new age experience with a bunch of women who seem to be from Germanic countries, this is for you. Something about it lacks sincerity and honesty.

Other than it being borderline offensive to Native peoples, it is an annoying production with eery music and a creepy overdubbed narration. Ms. Fast Wolf is undoubtedly a beautiful, grandmotherly woman with quite a strong presence, but I wonder what her clan (if she is truly of one) really feels about her practices.

Save your money and look for more authentic Native American resources.
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antaeaventura
2.0 out of 5 stars The native heart is missing for me
Reviewed in the United States on September 25, 2014
Verified Purchase
I purchased this DVD with an open mind as I am always open to learning about native american teachings. First, Ms Fastwolf does not look native american to me at all. She is whiter than I am and I come from Scandinavian peoples. After looking her up on google come to find out that she is really Penny McKelvey and apparently no native american group will claim her. I have no problem if she is white and passing on some native american processes for edification, but the fact that she isn't what she claims to be contaminates her message for me. Another wise woman, Evelyn Eaton (I Send A Voice) is white and has no pretensions to be otherwise. She is someone I can learn from when I heard her speak a number of years ago. Watching the DVD I didn't get that 'heart sense' that comes from being around genuine native americans. It felt flat and trivial, teachings that could have been gleaned from anywhere. If you are a sincere seeker of native american ways I can't recommend this video. The two stars are for the reminder to pray over my food.
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Grays
1.0 out of 5 stars Fraud
Reviewed in the United States on April 30, 2025
She is not Native American.

She was born Joan Scheer in 8 Jan 1934, Silverton, San Juan County, Colorado.

Parents Joseph Kendall and Marjorie/Margadell "Mickey" Dell McIntyre (who later married Lyle Estes).

Her married surnames include Drobnick, McKelvey, Cripe, Allen.

She performed as a singer both as "Penny Drobnick," and "Penny McKelvey".

The Scheer family just a few generations back are from Germany.

All family members are white in census and other records.

In her false persona she often said she "prefers to be known as one without a personal history". But her history and genealogy can indeed be researched.

Buyer beware. She is a performer who performed pretendian fraud.

One of her followers has photos posted publicly.

Joan Scheer was blonde as a child.