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General => Frauds => Topic started by: Barnaby_McEwan on July 10, 2007, 08:37:06 am
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I was surprised to find there's only an archive thread about this one! He was last heard of in some hippie enclave in northern Australia couple of years ago, and a couple of years before that was spotted doing sweat lodge ceremonies for money at a new age fair in southwest England.
Now he may be back in the Houston area (http://metaphysics.meetup.com/226/members/3585616/), "networking", and busily turning himself into a living Franklin Mint Heirloom Collector Plate. Images may take a while to load but they're worth it.
W2F:
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Franklin Mint Plate:
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W2F:
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Franklin Mint Plate:
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W2F:
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Franklin Mint Plate:
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W2F:
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Franklin Mint Plate:
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W2F:
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Franklin Mint Plate:
(http://photos3.meetupstatic.com/photos/member/1/9/5/4/member_1326484.jpeg)
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ROFL!
Check out his homepages.
"William Two Feather www.2feather.com & www.2feather.net I am a practicing Faith Healer ovr 10 years, & done so around the world 3 times in this capacity. A legend in my own mind and a self proclaimed Intellectual. Each day is the best day of my life."
Additional information:
"A lecture on ~ Concepts of Faith Healing ~ Jan 13th http://www.centerpointhouston.com/cal... Only such Lecture in USA until a world tour # 4 is finished in 2008 www.2feather.net"
He actually said all of these:
Legend in his own mind
World tour
Self proclaimed intellectual
Faith healer (you know, like the snake oil televangelists)
And he actually offers these:
http://www.2feather.com/mainl.html
"William Two Feather has performed hundreds of exorcisms around the world and has practiced this along with faith healing for over a decade. It is not like the Hollywood pictures here in the trenches. The dark side possesses a code of conduct and guidelines are in force.
There are three types of infestation - person, place, and thing. Students will not be taught how to perform an exorcism per se as it is very dangerous, but all participants will come away with a healthy understanding of the inner workings of this phenomenon that is found in every country around the world.
What about ADD or hyper hypo this and that? Is there a link in such cases to the dark side of spirituality? What should you do if you feel someone is possessed?
Bring your questions, comments and experiences to this teaching and we will address them all.
This teaching/discussion will last one to two hours.
Hands on Exocrisms are no longer available."
Well I feel so much better knowing that. ;)
And this bit is pretty funny.
"Who are the warriors of light? Why do we need them? How do they attain their position? What tools are available for confrontation? If someone we know is being spiritually attacked what can we do? Who is the dark side and why are they gathering up their forces?"
Luke, you don't know the power of the daaaaahk side.
"Is the time coming for the war to go past bombs and bullets? William Two Feather has trained over a thousand Spiritual Warriors and many have become teachers themselves.
This training spans one to three hours."
As little as one hour? Taking down your credit card number must be half the lesson.
And this bit:
"Each practitioner-to-be must fully comprehend the entire methodology and will be given an oral examination at the end of teachings. The ones who pass will be certified and will join a worldwide family of practitioners.
This class is a minimum of 10 hours, to be split into two days, Saturday and Sunday.
>>>For those who are interested in psychic surgery, a bonus night on Friday the 17th will be available for an additional $100 contribution. No certification will be awarded on this particular teaching."<<<
Pretty hilarious. Psychic surgery is from the Philippines. It's basically palming bits of cow guts and blood.
"Those interested and who are now practicing are recommended to attend this seldom shared teaching. Be aware that there is limited methodology that is permitted to be taught to the public and strict guidelines are in force. * see preparation sheet for reference on how to get ready for these teachings.
Your recommended contibution of $500, $100 to pensioners of Scorpios (natural born healers), and
a 10% scholarship will be considered upon acceptance of one-page handwritten petition sent to:to: N.A.S.P. PO Box 696 La Madera, NM 87539"
Euro astrology proves you're a natural healer?
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Tansi;
It is no surprise that WTF has branched out, to include the Franklin Mint. When we met him, in Saskatchewan, he was very much into attracting attention to his need for "fame" and "fortune."
I'll always remember when my wife embarrassed him and another Elder made light of his "showbiz" attitude, at the International Gathering of Traditional Medicines and Healing. I wonder why he was never invited back?
Ric
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this guy sure looks like a fraud ,w/the pics he looks like a hairy Native , Hair all over his chest ...... so where is he located ?
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EducatedNDN... you made me LOL with the Luke comment.... I think it irritated the Statistician that sits across from me (they're very quiet and focused... and have no snese of humor at all).
WTF reminds me of Iron Eyes Cody for some reason.
And really, WTF is up with those initials???
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And really, WTF is up with those initials???
*snerk* Glad to see I'm not the only one laughing at that. And really, those pictures... WTF?
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- on top of all that, he is not even a decent flute player - he is choppy and can't prolong tones
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Youtube vid on William Rainwater Barnes (aka William Two Feathers, Billy Two Feathers)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5xX2wCRKZQ&feature=related
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That's a different WTF. They're running out of names!
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I just watched the WTF You Tube and I hcnestly say that ,what medcine man would do such a thing. Talk about medcines as what WTF is doing. From what i know its always been kept from ppls ,so that they dont disturb the plants and take it for money. I feel that many of our medcine men an women only give it to ppl who seek help and dont take it for profit or commercilize it in anyways ....
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A Comment from Australia!!!
Yes, I write from Australia, and after a quick search discovered our old little friend William Two Feathers!!! As one of the posters writes, he was offering all kinds of ceremonies in northern Australia, but most particularly, lots of free sex with the girlies!!!
However, if it was only just the bed hopping, we might excuse him, but I am afraid our friend William stole two flutes from a local flute maker...yes stole them...yes, did not pay for them....So be very very careful of this individual.
I saw William at several New Age Festivals, notably the Mind Body Spirit Festival in Melbourne, and several times at the Universal Insights Festival, also in Melbourne. He offers "drum washes" which meant he drumed up and down in front and behind you like a mad-man and that apparently heals you. He was always well turned out in his buckskins and beads, but spent most of his time flirting with the girls (he seemed to prefer blondes!!)
I understand that he overstayed his visa and is now blacklisted by the Australian Government. He also did not pay any taxes here and so is again blacklisted by Australia.
So people out there be very careful of this charlatan...no true medicine person would steal property.
many bright blessings!!!
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OMG! HEIMLICH MANUVEUR SOMEONE ~~ ANYONE!!! <cough cough> I was eating when I read this. If he's good for nothing else, at least it's a great belly laugh. Thanks!!!!
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Namaste' Eagle Vision and All
Is this man still hanging around this country? I met him when came to Ballarat (not Balart like he says in his 'Get Involved' page of his web site). I helped build those three huge lodges in exchange for participating in his 'Warrior Retreat' Workshop. He had some ok things to say, but man what an ego. I have heaps I could talk about here as I saw him first hand, but I think everyone gets the picture. The first time I saw him I could see he was Mr Ego himself and he didn't even have to say anything. He is certainly not a good ambassador for the Native American People or what real Medicine is about, but the new agers and especially the women seem to love him. Obviously he has not been game to come back down my way as I haven't heard anything of him since that weekend in 2004, but then again I don't go to Mind Body Spirit Festivals. So I was surprised to see he was up north here in Australia. I guess he has to be somewhere and I'm sure he would be very unpopular back home.
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I remember this guy from Trader's Village pow wow in Houston. My uncle started really questioning him when he leared he was holding naming ceremonies at a pow wow in Banderas, TX and two feather was trying to counterquestion him about my uncle's authenicity and when two feathers learned he was a sun dancer two feathers showed his scars and demanded my uncle show him his. My uncle replied, " You want to see my scars, bro come to a sweat and we'll see who's who". Two Feathers walked away. He's no spirtual leader he's a straight fraud.
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Ok...posted a link to a different WTF earlier, but these videos are made with the WTF this thread is about. Just like with any other fraud these guys expose themselves when given enough room too....I still believe Youtube is what a plastic shaman believes is their biggest ad tool, but in reality is the most damaging evidence of their charlatanism. These vids are from a series of films being produced by a guy named Gregory Owen Pearse and just to warn you...this is the oddest set of videos on Native Americans I've EVER SEEN.....
You see WTF praying to a piece of a plant he picked...playing flute for statues of Asian philosophers, picking up a skull cast out of a pond in a park...playing to geese and at the end of one of the videos there's a scene of a shawl dancer dancing in the clouds....on further inspection it's WTF wearing a shawl and dress and dancing a very hokey version of fancy shawl dancing.....
Much of these videos are inundated with stereotypical music and imagery. There's one part where WTF says he's gonna sing a song for the statues..picks up his drum and then a recording begins playing of someone else singing....
If these vids aren't enough to convince people this guy is a total fraud then I don't know what is....
So...here you go...
"Last Song of the Earth"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9PZuoc4uKw&feature=channel_page
"One Day in the Life of the Last Indian"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEMv5c_RYoU&feature=channel_page
"The Shaman"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2PwZjHJxEI&feature=channel_page
Superdog
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OMG! That "Shaman" film was too much! GREAT family values.....not! I only scanned it, 32 min was too long to take in one dose. My wife says this is the guy who did a wedding up in Princeville some time back, apparently impressed some of the wanabis around here. For an " Apache shaman" he sure uses a lot of Lakota words, song snippets, etc. Too bad he didn't come here for the powwow last Sept., I'll bet John Dawson (Apache) would have had a great time talking Apache at WTF. Those initials mirror my sentiments pretty closely.
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It seems this topic needs some refreshment - WTF continues his work here in Europe. Last fall he's visited Slovenia, and probably border part of Italy also, to promote his new book and ran two day workshop on his "Faith healing". The way he introduced himself through his well meaning, but naive (if not blind) female (of course) helper is so extremely misleading LIE that I feel I have to do something about it. The sad and worrying thing about the whole situation is that he's got certain charisma - there is a group of people in Slovenia and Italy who admire him and take everything he says as the essence of Native American wisdom and medicine. These people wouldn't listen to anyone talking against his activities, revealing his lies and trying to bring across some genuine information about Native American culture. Here is an English translation of the text that was used to attract people to his events.
"William Two Feather, a Native American spiritual teacher, medicine man, author of spiritual music and author of several books shares traditional wisdom of Native American people and even more - for the first time ever in history he reveals the deepest secrets of Native American wisdom in written word, for the first time medicine knowledge of many generations of medicine people - sons and daughters of Mother Earth is shared. William Two Feather has traveled around the world four times healing and teaching people of all ages, improving their self image, many of them have become Warriors of Light on their good path with a good heart. During his visit Slovenia he'll introduce his Faith Healing medicine and his latest book "Healing Hands".
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hi Vida,
There are several threads in which William Two Feather is mentioned
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=406.0
http://shamantools.com/aboutus.aspx
http://intellectualexpat.blogspot.com/2008/09/meet-william-two-feather-native.html
http://www.happierabroad.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4286
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ETA: Unconfirmed claim that WTF's real name is William Schober, born in Whittier CA, brother of Joe or Joseph Schober.
Left the comment below over at the expatriate site. We'll see if they let it stand or not. The mod there seems quite naive and easily taken by WTF, even willingly censoring critics of him.
You might note it's a site for US men seeking female company abroad. Not commercial sex from what I can see, but there are personal ads all over the site.
What was really sad for me to see is that in the guy's blog WTF admits to fathering five kids by different women and supporting none of them. Several of the women he used and left still defend him, including one that he took quite a bit of money from.
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http://www.happierabroad.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=22594#22594
WTF Is Widely Regarded as a Fraud
Hello, I'm one of the moderators at a forum called NAFPS, New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans. We are an organization of Natives and non-Natives dedicated to warning the public about imposters and exploiters who pose as Native healers and medicine people.
WTF (real name unknown) is one such person. We have several threads gathering information on him, including firsthand accounts where actual Natives have confronted him.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1242.0
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=406.0
Start with the obvious:
His name is not an Apache name. It's a white New Age imitation of what he thinks Native names are like.
Nothing he teaches has anything to do with Apache traditions. It's all white New Age imitations of what he thinks Natives are like.
Most of what he teaches is so obviously not Native, I seriously wonder how anyone could fall for it.
Come on, he claims TAROT CARDS are Native. He claims EXORCISMS are Native. Obviously both of those are from Europe.
He also does a scam called psychic surgery, where bits of blood and skin are palmed and passed off as being tumors from the body taken out "psychically." The scam is of Filipino origin, BTW. It's not a Native practice at all.
And all the hokey, cornballl, Franklin Mint imitations of Indian traditions just make actual Indians laugh. Indians don't talk or act like a bad Dances With Wolves imitation.
I wrote to all five Apache band govts. None of them confirm he is Apache, and one, the Yavapai Apache, specifically denounced his exploitation of the sweatlodge as dangerous.
People do die in phony versions of sweatlodges. It's taking an incredible risk to go in one run by an imposter like WTF.
There are also other dangers one could be exposed to from him, outside of STDs. WTF has been chased out of Australia for failure to pay taxes. There is also a local flute maker he stole two flutes from.
And finally there is his abusive treatment of women. An actual Native healer would not chase after every skirt in sight. Not that there's anything against healthy sex, but it certainly shows his priorities are those of a teenaged boy and not a mature man. No one in the Native community would accept such a frivolous person as a healer.
To the moderator, Winston, it seems he is taking advantage of your trusting nature. I for one would like to see the comments that were deleted. I know from experience that many survivors of New Age abuse feel the need for anonymity. It's quite common for such scam operators to use threats. You demanding that people criticizing WTF go public is akin to demanding rape victims go public and open themselves up to similar scorn and attacks upon their person.
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Confirmed. William Two Feather's actual name is William Schober. It's on the copyright of one of his recordings.
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http://www.faqs.org/copyright/einstein-on-the-beach-the-changing-image-of-opera-by-the-3/
Red medicine dance
Type of Work:Musical work
Registration Number / Date:PAu002412304 / 1999-04-27
Date of Creation:1999
Title:Red medicine dance / Willie Two Feather.
Description:Sound cassette.
Copyright Claimant:William Schober
Notes:Collection.
Authorship on Application:music: Glenn J. Harvitz, 1960-, & Robert Wilson, 1951-.
Names:William Schober 1955-
Robert Wilson 1951-
Glenn J. Harvitz 1960-
Willie Two Feather, pseud.
Read more: http://www.faqs.org/copyright/einstein-on-the-beach-the-changing-image-of-opera-by-the-3/#ixzz0oNVcv7MI
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And this is amusing. Schober had to be taught to ride a horse for all those poses.
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http://www.janiceterra.com/wtf.htm
William Two Feather
Janice teaches a Native American who has never been on a horse
how to canter bareback in only a week for a movie role.
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Terra's address in Houston is also the same address Schober uses, and Terra defended Schober on Winston Hu's site. Seemingly they are a couple and Schober lives with her/off of her, at least for now.
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If these vids aren't enough to convince people this guy is a total fraud then I don't know what is....
So...here you go...
more vids and pics of the apache medicine man on netlog, facebook and myspace..
http://en.netlog.com/TwoFeather/video
http://en.netlog.com/TwoFeather/photo
http://en.netlog.com/TwoFeather/photo/photoid=17236011&surr=0#photos
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william Twofeather:
"Yes I am Native American from my mothers side
Austrian on my dads side "
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Talking more with Winston Wu of that forum. Looks like Schober has up and left. He posted a message, then deleted it only minutes later, while I was responding to Wu's post. I didn't even get the chance to read it. So that means he likely missed my offer for him to explain himself to us.
Here's the exchange between me and Wu. Sorry for the all caps, not sure how that forum did that to my post.
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http://www.happierabroad.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=22664#22664
Winston wrote:
HI EDUCATEDINDIAN,
1. THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR INFO. IT WAS VERY INTERESTING. HOW DID YOU FIND THIS THREAD? BY GOOGLING HIS NAME?
2. NOW FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T MIND IF A SPIRITUAL TEACHER OR AUTHOR MIXES DIFFERENT SPIRITUAL PRACTICES OR TRADITIONS TOGETHER. SUCH IS COMMON NOWADAYS AMONG NEW AGE GURUS, INCLUDING GREAT ONES LIKE WAYNE DYER AND DEEPAK CHOPRA. IT'S A POPULAR WAY OF MARKETING YOURSELF. AS LONG AS THEY HELP PEOPLE AND ELEVATE THEM TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF CONSCIOUSNESS AND HELPS THEM FOCUS ON SPIRITUAL THINGS, THAT'S WHAT COUNTS.
3. WTF ISN'T NECESSARILY A HISTORICALLY ACCURATE TEACHER OF APACHE OR NATIVE AMERICAN CULTURE OR TRADITIONS. WHAT HE SYMBOLIZES IS A LONGING OF MANY IN INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY TO RETURN TO ANCIENT ROOTS, TO A TIME WHEN MAN WAS IN TUNE AND AT ONE WITH NATURE. DEEP DOWN, MANY OF US YEARN FOR THAT, AND ARE TIRED OF LIVING A MATERIALISTIC LIFESTYLE OF MODERN SOCIETY THAT HAS ALIENATED US FROM NATURE AND SPIRITUALITY. THIS "LOST CONNECTION" IS WHAT WTF SYMBOLIZES TO OTHERS, REGARDLESS OF WHO HE REALLY IS.
AS A BIG FAN OF NATIVE AMERICAN CULTURE MYSELF, THAT'S WHAT HE SYMBOLIZES TO ME ALSO.
4. BUT I THINK THE MAIN ISSUE IS, DOES WTF HELP PEOPLE? HEAL THEM? INSPIRE THEM? MAKE THEM FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEMSELVES? IF SO, THEN THERE ARE POSITIVES ABOUT HIM TOO. SOME CLAIM THAT HE HAS HEALED THEM AND EDUCATED THEM IN ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE. ALSO, SOME WHO ARE CLOSE TO HIM AND HAVE KNOWN HIM FOR MANY YEARS ATTEST THAT DEEP DOWN HE IS A GOOD SINCERE CARING PERSON. SEE THEIR COMMENTS IN MY BLOG PAGE HERE: HTTP://INTELLECTUALEXPAT.BLOGSPOT.COM/2008/09/MEET-WILLIAM-TWO-FEATHER-NATIVE.HTML
THAT'S WHAT MAKES HIM CONTROVERSIAL.
HIS PERSONAL CHARACTER IS ANOTHER ISSUE. AND ACCORDING TO YOUR ACCOUNTS, THERE ARE SOME NEGATIVES ABOUT HIM IN THAT AREA THAT ARE NOT GOOD OBVIOUSLY.
4. AS TO THE APACHE BAND GOVERNMENTS, IF YOU DON'T KNOW HIS REAL NAME, HOW CAN YOU VERIFY IF HE IS IN THEIR RECORDS OR NOT AS A REAL APACHE?
HAVE YOU TRIED CONTACTING HIS PAST GIRLFRIENDS TO FIND OUT HIS REAL NAME? SOMEONE MUST HAVE SEEN HIS DRIVER'S LICENSE OR PASSPORT NAME BEFORE? IF HE KEEPS HIS REAL NAME A SECRET, THEN THERE ARE PROBABLY THINGS HE DOESN'T WANT OTHERS TO KNOW, SKELETONS IN THE CLOSET IN OTHER WORDS.
AS TO THE DELETED COMMENTS IN MY BLOG ABOUT HIM, I SAVED THEM OFFLINE BEFORE I DELETED THEM. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM, I CAN PM THEM TO YOU OR EMAIL THEM TO YOU? WHICH DO YOU PREFER? PM ME ON THIS. I WILL PM YOU ABOUT THIS TOO.
5. I JUST THINK IT'S FAIR THAT IF SOMEONE CRITICIZES HIM, THEY SHOULD AT LEAST IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. I MEAN FAIR IS FAIR, IT SHOULD GO BOTH WAYS. A PERSON WHO IS REALLY A VICTIM IS IN NO DANGER SPEAKING THEIR MIND HERE. WTF, EVEN IF HE IS DECEPTIVE, IS NOT A DANGEROUS PERSON I DON'T THINK. AND BESIDES, IT'S NOT MUCH TO ASK TO USE A REGISTERED GOOGLE NAME WHEN POSTING A COMMENT ON A BLOG. I MEAN, ONE CAN HAVE SEVERAL GOOGLE ACCOUNTS AND NOT REVEAL HIS/HER IDENTITY OR NAME. A GOOGLE ACCOUNT WILL ONLY GIVE AWAY YOUR EMAIL PERHAPS, BUT NOT YOUR NAME. SO ONE CAN STILL BE ANONYMOUS AND POST FROM A REGISTERED GOOGLE ACCOUNT.
I DOUBT THAT WTF WILL ANSWER YOUR POST ABOUT HIS REAL NAME. BUT WE'LL SEE. IF HE DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW IT, AND HIS NAME REALLY IS WILLIAM SCHOBER, THEN HE WILL NOT ADMIT IT OR WILL PLEAD THE 5TH. I THINK HE PREFERS TO REMAIN MYSTERIOUS. PERHAPS YOU SHOULD ASK SOME OF HIS PAST GIRLFRIENDS?
6. ANYHOW, CAN YOU POST THE LINK TO THIS THREAD IN YOUR NEWAGEFRAUD FORUM THREADS ABOUT HIM? I'D LOVE TO HAVE YOUR GROUP READ MY ANALYSIS OF HIM HERE AND TELL ME IF THEY ARE ACCURATE.
7. BASICALLY, I ONLY TALKED TO HIM FOR A FEW HOURS IN HIS HOTEL ROOM IN SANTA FE. MY INSTINCTS (WHICH TEND TO BE 90 PERCENT ACCURATE ABOUT PEOPLE) ABOUT HIM ARE THAT HE IS AN ATTENTION SEEKER. SOMETIMES HE DOES SEEM SINCERE AND HONEST, BUT OTHER TIMES, HE SEEMS A BIT PHONEY AND PRETENTIOUS, NOT ONLY IN WHAT HE SAYS, BUT SIMPLY THE VIBE HE PROJECTS AND HIS TONE OF VOICE. (I AM VERY SENSITIVE TO ENERGY AND VIBES, AND A PERSON OF DEEP INSIGHT WHO IS ATTUNED TO HIGHER LEVELS OF CONSCIOUSNESS AS WELL) SO, LIKE OTHERS I'VE KNOWN, HE MIXES SINCERITY WITH A BIT OF PHONINESS. DEEP DOWN HE MAY BE A GOOD CARING PERSON. BUT HE IS AN ATTENTION SEEKER DRAWN TO FAME AND FORTUNE, WHO ENJOYS MESMERIZING OTHERS, AND PERHAPS HE DOES WANT TO REALLY HELP PEOPLE TOO. SO ESSENTIALLY, HE IS A MIXED BAG, AS THOSE CLOSE TO HIM ALSO SAY. THAT'S WHAT MAKES HIM INTERESTING TO ME. HE IS A COMPLEX PERSON. DEFINITELY NOT BORING AT LEAST. I DO LIKE HIM, BUT I DO NOT KNOW IF I WOULD TRUST HIM.
8. ANYWAY, WHO WOULD YOU RECOMMEND AS A GENUINE AUTHENTIC TEACHER OF THE APACHE TRADITIONS AND CULTURE?
THANKS,
WINSTON
9. PS - SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. WTF TOLD ME THAT HE GETS INSTRUCTIONS AND ADVICE, SUCH AS ASKING ME TO TAKE DOWN THE BLOG ABOUT HIM, FROM HIS "ELDERS" OR "COUNCIL", MAKING IT SOUND LIKE THERE IS SOME COUNCIL OF WISE NATIVE AMERICAN ELDERS WHO LOOK OVER HIM. WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? ARE THEY REAL APACHES?
10.ALSO, WHO SPONSORS ALL HIS WORLD TOURS? HE DOES NOT SEEM RICH. DOES HE HAVE CORPORATE SPONSORS? HOW DOES HE AFFORD TO TRAVEL THE WORLD? ANY IDEA?
HI WINSTON,
I ADDED NUMBERS TO YOUR POST TO MAKEM IT CLEARER WHAT I'M RESPONDING TO.
HI WINSTON,
I ADDED NUMBERS TO YOUR POST TO MAKEM IT CLEARER WHAT I'M RESPONDING TO.
1. WE RESPONDED TO INQUIRIES FROM THE PUBLIC, LIKE WE USUALLY DO. SURVIVORS OF HIS ABUSE CONTACTED US.
2.WHAT HE MIXES TOGETHER IS NOT APACHE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. NONE OF IT.
THE SWEATLODGE HE DOES IS AN IMITATION OF LAKOTA, JUST LIKE MOST OF WHAT HE DOES THAT HE CLAIMS IS APACHE. THE CULTURES ARE AS DIFFERENT AS GREEK FROM SWEDISH.
IF HE WANTS TO CALL HIMSELF WHITE-MAN-SCHOBER-DOING-PRETEND-INDIAN-CEREMONY, THEN NATIVES WOULDN’T HAVE A PROBLEM. BUT HE DOESN’T. HE PUTS ON THE ACT FOR YOU TO LIVE UP TO YOUR FANTASIES OF WHAT A NATIVE IS.
THINK OF IT THIS WAY: WHAT IF I EXPECTED YOU TO LIVE UP TO SILLY WHITE STEREOTYPES ABOUT ASIANS? WHAT IF I EXPECTED YOU TO BE SOME SILLY MIX OF BRUCE LEE AND CHARLIE CHAN, WITH A COMPUTER NERD THROWN IN? AND WHAT IF I SOLD TAROT AND EXORCISMS AS ‘ANCIENT CHINESE SECRETS” LIKE THE OLD DISHWASHING AD?
3. THEN HE IS A FRAUD, PLAIN AND SIMPLE, PRETENDING TO BE SOMETHING HE IS NOT. BE HONEST: IF HE WERE A WHITE GUY NAMED SCHOBER NO ONE WOULD PAY ANY ATTENTION TO HIM. THAT’S WHY HE PUTS ON THIS ACT, DRESSING LIKE A FRANKLIN MINT PLATE AND TALKING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TONTO AND A TV PREACHER.
4. FEELING GOOD MEANS NOTHING. THAT’S WHAT CONMEN DO. AS FOR HEALING, SNAKE OIL SALESMEN WHO PRETEND TO BE FAITH HEALERS SOMETIMES HEAL PEOPLE PURELY BY ACCIDENT. IT’S NOT THE MAN, BUT THAT PERSON’S FAITH THAT (SOMETIMES) HEALS.
AND MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT HEALED BY HIM, OR THEY WOULD TRY TO GET HIM TO STAY AND BE THEIR LOCAL HEALER. BUT LOOK AT WHAT HE DOES, RUNS FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER ALL OVER THE WORLD, SOMETIMES ONE STEP AHEAD OF THE LAW OR ANGRY DISILLUSIONED VICTIMS.
5. TRIBAL COMMUNITIES ARE SMALL. THE YAVAPAI ARE LESS THAN 200 FOR EXAMPLE. THE BIGGEST APACHE BAND IS LESS THAN 10000. AND HEALERS AND ELDERS ARE WELL KNOWN AND RESPECTED. TO NOT KNOW OF HIM WOULD BE LIKE NO ONE IN A SMALL TOWN KNOWING THE NAME OF THE TOWN’S ONLY DOCTOR.
6. OPERATORS SUCH AS SCHOBER THREATEN THEIR VICTIMS ALL THE TIME. I SEE IT CONSTANTLY.
6. OK.
8. WHAT YOU DESCRIBE ARE THE TYPICAL TRAITS OF A CONMAN, NOT A HEALER OR SPIRITUAL LEADER. REMEMBER THAT CON MAN IS SHORT FOR CONFIDENCE MAN. CONMEN WORK BY MAKING YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT GETTING TAKEN AND ABUSED BY THEM.
A REAL NATIVE MEDICINE MAN COULD NOT BE MORE DIFFERENT THAN SCHOBER. THEY ARE THE HUMBLEST PEOPLE YOU WILL EVER MEET, SELF EFFACING, AND DIRT POOR. THEY GIVE ANYTHING THEY HAVE TO HELP THOSE IN EVEN MORE NEED THAN THEY. THEY ARE RESPECTED BY THEIR COMMUNITY, AND TIED TO IT AND WELL KNOWN. THEY DON’T RUN OFF WITH NAÏVE WOMEN TO EUROPE TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF OTHER NAÏVE PEOPLE AS SCHOBER HAS SPENT MOST OF HIS LIFE DOING.
8. IF YOU WANT TO LEARN ABOUT NATIVE BELIEFS FOR EDUCATION, NATIVE VALUES TO INFLUENCE YOUR LIFE, TRY WRITERS LIKE VINE DELORIA. TRY READING THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF GERONIMO, WHICH IS ONLINE.
BUT THERE ARE NO TEACHERS FOR OUTSIDERS, NONE, PERIOD. NATIVE TRADITIONS MAKE NO SENSE OUTSIDE OF THE CONTEXT OF A NATIVE COMMUNITY. THEIR POWER AND STRENGTH IS TIED TO THE HOMELAND OF THE TRIBE. NATIVE FAITHS NEITHER WANT NOR SEEK CONVERTS. NATIVE FAITHS ARE FOR THEIR TRIBES. THEY ARE NOT AND DON’T WANT TO BE UNIVERSAL FAITHS LIKE CHRISTIANITY.
9. HE’S LYING. HE HAS NO ELDERS AND NO COUNCIL. IT’S PHONY BALONEY HOCUS POCUS DONE TO IMPRESS YOU. REAL ELDERS WOULD NOT SUPPORT WHAT HE DOES SINCE IT GOES AGAINST EVERY PRECEPT AND PRACTICE OF NATIVE CULTURES.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, YOU COULD SEE FOR YOURSELF, WHAT HE DOES DOESN’T HAVE A THING TO DO WITH ACTUAL APACHE CULTURE. HE’S PUTTING ON A FANTASY ACT FOR THOSE WITH ROMANTICIZED NOTIONS ABOUT INDIANS.
10. HE LIVES OFF OF WOMEN HE HAS CONVINCED HE IS A HEALER. BASICALLY THESE ARE WOMEN WHO CONVINCE THEMSELVES HE IS THEIR BOYFRIEND NOW, AND ARE WILLING TO LOOK PAST OR CONVINCE THEMSELVES HIS MANY USED AND ABUSED WOMEN ARE IN THE PAST. THESE TEND TO BE LONELY MIDDLE AGED WOMEN, WOMEN THAT SOCIETY TENDS TO VIEW AS LESS VALUABLE AND ATTRACTIVE. (NOTE THAT I’M NOT SAYING THEY ARE, JUST TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH OF SOCIETY TREATS ANY WOMAN OVER 25.)
I DON’T KNOW IF JANICE TERRA IS ONE SUCHWOMAN, BUT SCHOBER DOES CURRENTLY USE THE SAME ADDRESS AS TERRA.
IT’S ALSO PAINFULLY OBVIOUS MANY OF THESE WOMEN HAVE SELF ESTEEM OR SELF WORTH ISSUES. JUST LOOK AT THE SEVERAL WOMEN IN THIS THREAD WHO DEFEND HIM EVNE WHILE THEY ADMIT HE USED THEM AND LEFT THEM, OFTEN DRAINING THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS AND LEAVING THEM AS SINGLE MOTHERS WITH UNSUPPORTED CHILDREN AND A DEADBEAT DAD.
I HOPE PEOPLE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT HE’S DONE AND THE EVIDENCE WE HAVE AGAINST SCHOBER. WE ALSO WELCOME DISCUSSION, INCLUDING FROM THOSE WHO DEFEND HIM.
EVEN SCHOBER HIMSELF WOULD BE WELCOME TO TRY AND EXPLAIN HIMSELF
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ETA: Some of the comments were deleted until we see definitive proof of the charges.
I have the deleted posts that Wu sent me.
I have to say I see why a few of them were deleted. The charges laid forth are extremely serious. The accuser claims Schober committed rape, underage rape. There's also claims that Schober even did time in prison for rape.
I am reposting some of the deleted comments, but not all. For some of them we need better proof and until then I will only mention the accusations as that is what they are, still unproven accusations.
I really need for the accuser to contact me ASAP to provide better proof. The accuser has my word, which I have always kept, that their identity will not be revealed.
And if they do not wish to go into the details of their experience, surely they can provide evidence of Schober having served time for the crime as alleged?
The other deleted comments that are relevant.
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19 COMMENTS:
Anonymous said...
He is a fraud. A narcissist. He will suck the life out of you. Liar. Cheater. Thief.
JANUARY 6, 2009 4:24 PM
Anonymous said...
HUGE EGO!! YES A NARCISSIST. His medicine is stained by his EGO. He is NOT a nice human being.
FEBRUARY 16, 2009 10:25 PM
Anonymous said...
I met this person a few years ago in Europe, and got to know him fairly well.
He does have a HUGE ego - not good for a medicine man- he is partly sincere and partly liar sometimes; but he has many good sides, he is a good musician and a good healer to some extent.
All in all I reckon somebody interesting to meet.
Why do you say he is such a bad person? Why so much violence in your words?
FEBRUARY 20, 2009 6:37 AM
Anonymous said...
.....HE IS DISGUSTING
a fraud... and a narcisist. .... i absolutely agree with the above user.. .anyone else who agrees just email me at stupid_fat_lazy_troll@yahoo.com.au
be warned - keep your daughters locked up when this man is around. he's dangerous.
APRIL 7, 2009 10:38 PM
Anonymous said...
did he tell you all about his daughter and all the other bastard kids he has littered around the world?
APRIL 7, 2009 10:42 PM
bev said...
I have known William TwoFeather for several years and have assisted him in healing rooms on various occasions.
I have witnessed with my own eyes many things that defy logical explanations and the benefits his healings have had on many people.
Over the passed few years I have assisted him with graphics for the series of books he is writing, of which a portion of the proceeds from these books will go to assist Native American causes.
He has never said to me that he has won a UFC or WWF anything, what he has said is that he was a contact knife fighting championship which was sponsored by Soldier of Fortune magazine in around 2000.
I agree with Dawn in the fact that he would be the first to admit that he is no saint, and like the rest of us, he is human and has an ego. I also wish to remind the reader that he is single and no different in that fact to any other single male.
The spiteful comments above sound to me to be those of one who assumed more than was actually offered and there-by, perhaps, gave far to freely.
MAY 26, 2009 10:53 AM
Anonymous said...
'From personal experience i can agree, somewhat, with a lot of the above, and from both points of view. I have known William for a long time, and yes, I am one of the mothers of his children. Yes, it hurts to hear my beautiful child called 'one of the bastard kids' mentioned. Yes, I lent money I quite likely will not see again. No, i probably would not trust him with my daughter. Yes, he has an enormous ego, a little humility certainly wouldn't go astray with this man!
But he does have his heart in the right place in many ways.
'Faith Healing' is exactly that - you must have faith to be healed. William facilitates that, he believes and it is up to the recipient to also believe in their own healing.
He does believe in what he does, in many ways he is one of the most genuine people you will meet - so genuine it can be scary.
He is a hard man, and you have to be strong to know and understand him. Yes, he can hurt people if they leave themselves open to that, or allow it. But he is a human being, no-one is perfect, and this person stands out as being imperfect because he chooses not to conform to many ways that go against his grain, ways that others go along with, limiting themselves and inhibiting their true place in the world and grand scheme of things. Yes, this may mean he can do the 'wrong' thing in societal terms.
He is someone who found a path and is following it. He will not detour as he is on a spirit-led mission. He does listen to spirit, he believes, and therefore believes in himself.
I would like to say to those of you that are keen to tear his name to shreds - there is no need for that, take what you have learnt from William and cherish it for yourself. There is worth in every teaching, in every experience.'
JUNE 11, 2009 2:59 PM
Anonymous said...
He carries a deep wound in his heart (as many other Natives do) and that drives him to inflict a wound in hearts of those who open emotionally to him (women and his children)- over and over again until he recognizes and heals it. On one side he is a good healer- on the other he is very much lost - that's why he lost (or abandoned) all his women and children - and not because he is on some kind of spiritual path. Children are the most sacred beings of our life - no REAL spiritual path demands abandoning and neglecting your child!! Yes, he is interesting, gifted, creative and has significant healing abilities, but if you are a woman you have to be very emotionally and sexually stable to be around him without getting hurt.
JUNE 18, 2009 2:50 AM
Anonymous said...
I know Willie, as well, and the best thing I have to say about him is that he is compellingly handsome. However, he has utterly no ethics. He is a user and a manipulator. Steer clear.
AUGUST 17, 2009 5:58 PM
Anonymous said...
I too have met William 1st hand. he is a shapeshifter. Lock up your daughters. Maybe you would like to hear this from my daughter. He has permanently scared my daughter's mind. Heal that she will...but his help will not be required. Yes he maybe a healer but on the other side of him is the empty cannyon he tries to fill,hurting to match the healing. Remember where there is smoke.... there is fire. I judge him not here. I mearly show you that which he willingly showed to our family.At least one good thing he did was open my daughters eyes..Not to trust oh how sad.
AUGUST 19, 2009 4:45 AM
Anonymous said...
[Comment deleted until we see proof.] And dont try to tell me 'oh youre wanting attention'
[Comment deleted until we see proof.]
I hope all the other people who read this take the warning.
Also, tell him he owes my mother $10,000.
FEBRUARY 19, 2010 1:01 AM
Anonymous said...
shapeshifter - correct.
[Comment deleted until we see proof.]
narcissist - correct.
he has five kids by five women that he pays no mind to. he has delusions of grandeur. he thinks he's "on a mission". he owes a lot of people a lot of money. he is delusional. [Comment deleted uintil we see proof.] he is very, very sick emotionally, mentally and physically. he has no power in the world except that which he is able to extract from others. he is a fraud and the native american community finds him particularly loathesome. stay away from him, he'll just bring bad juju on you.
MARCH 2, 2010 12:39 PM
Anonymous said...
I know this and you all could look this up for yourselves: William Two Feather is also known as William (Willie, Bill) Schober. Born in California (1955), grew up in city of Whittier, CA. attended the schools in that area and had a brother named Joseph (Joey, Joe) who died in a motorcycle accident. William Schober (now called William Two Feather)is not Native American, period. I know this because we went to school together. I will remain anonymous.
MARCH 5, 2010 4:02 PM
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ETA: Unconfirmed claim that WTF's real name is William Schober, born in Whittier CA, brother of Joe or Joseph Schober.
Left the comment below over at the expatriate site. We'll see if they let it stand or not. The mod there seems quite naive and easily taken by WTF, even willingly censoring critics of him.
You might note it's a site for US men seeking female company abroad. Not commercial sex from what I can see, but there are personal ads all over the site.
What was really sad for me to see is that in the guy's blog WTF admits to fathering five kids by different women and supporting none of them. Several of the women he used and left still defend him, including one that he took quite a bit of money from.
Hi this is Winston from Happier Abroad. Yes I will let your comment stand. I am a strong believer in free speech.
I also just started another thread about WTF in my debunking paranormal skeptics forum. If you'd like to bookmark it to see what develops, here's the link:
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1164
Now I don't see what blog you're referring to though, when you say that WTF admits to fathering five kids by five different women and supporting none of them. An anonymous comment in my blog said that, but not WTF himself. I just wanted to make that clear. I do not know of any personal blog by WTF. So perhaps you misunderstood and misattributed that quote to him.
Yes I may be naive sometimes. But I am logical and consider all the evidence. It is easy to label someone as a fraud. But you gotta consider ALL the evidence, and one of the most IMPORTANT pieces of evidence are the testimonies of those closest to him who've known him longest.
Have a look at what they say. See the words I've bolded. They sound like very wise people.
http://intellectualexpat.blogspot.com/2008/09/meet-william-two-feather-native.html
'From personal experience i can agree, somewhat, with a lot of the above, and from both points of view. I have known William for a long time, and yes, I am one of the mothers of his children. Yes, it hurts to hear my beautiful child called 'one of the bastard kids' mentioned. Yes, I lent money I quite likely will not see again. No, i probably would not trust him with my daughter. Yes, he has an enormous ego, a little humility certainly wouldn't go astray with this man!
But he does have his heart in the right place in many ways.
'Faith Healing' is exactly that - you must have faith to be healed. William facilitates that, he believes and it is up to the recipient to also believe in their own healing.
He does believe in what he does, in many ways he is one of the most genuine people you will meet - so genuine it can be scary.
He is a hard man, and you have to be strong to know and understand him. Yes, he can hurt people if they leave themselves open to that, or allow it. But he is a human being, no-one is perfect, and this person stands out as being imperfect because he chooses not to conform to many ways that go against his grain, ways that others go along with, limiting themselves and inhibiting their true place in the world and grand scheme of things. Yes, this may mean he can do the 'wrong' thing in societal terms.
He is someone who found a path and is following it. He will not detour as he is on a spirit-led mission. He does listen to spirit, he believes, and therefore believes in himself.
I would like to say to those of you that are keen to tear his name to shreds - there is no need for that, take what you have learnt from William and cherish it for yourself. There is worth in every teaching, in every experience.'
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Janice said...
As a writer it is obvious to me that the vicious comments were written by the same unhappy person.
The sentence structure and use of words supports this fact. For every genuine leader in our world there is an entire herd of minions whose only claim to fame is their attempt to drag the leaders down to their level of mediocrity. Fortunatly - they (she) will not succeed. I have known Two Feather for a number of years and know him to be one of the most honest and forthright people I know. He tells it like it is. His medicine is pure. He healed me of a condition which the doctors could not for over 8 years. He is the real deal. It is an unfortunate fact that the higher people rise in the world - the more they come under attack. It is with great pride that I call William Two Feather "friend". And so it is.
Janice,
The Lady Horse Whisperer
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bev said...
I have known William TwoFeather for several years and have assisted him in healing rooms on various occasions.
I have witnessed with my own eyes many things that defy logical explanations and the benefits his healings have had on many people.
Over the passed few years I have assisted him with graphics for the series of books he is writing, of which a portion of the proceeds from these books will go to assist Native American causes.
He has never said to me that he has won a UFC or WWF anything, what he has said is that he was a contact knife fighting championship which was sponsored by Soldier of Fortune magazine in around 2000.
I agree with Dawn in the fact that he would be the first to admit that he is no saint, and like the rest of us, he is human and has an ego. I also wish to remind the reader that he is single and no different in that fact to any other single male.
The spiteful comments above sound to me to be those of one who assumed more than was actually offered and there-by, perhaps, gave far to freely.
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Dawn said...
Actually I know him very well too. I think he would be the first to admit that he is not a saint, however he does not deserve the vitriolic comments posted above. William is someone who gets noticed. I think receiving comments from people who have an axe to grind like this is probably par for the course of sticking his head over the parapet.
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Nicole said...
It must not be easy to be a Leader of the community to be told by Spirit that you have to go out into the world and train thousands of Spiritual Warriors and healers and leave behind your loved ones because the people need the teachings. I would ask all those who might have something to say about Two Feather to consider that his only mission for the last 25 years is to heal others and help spread the Wisdom of Native American Faith Healing. Judgement is an easy thing to do. We judge others standing in front of us at the checkout because they have gang tattoos on their kneck. We judge young mothers with three children paying for their dinner with EBT cards. We judge people all the time but we don't know the road they've walked or the hard choices they've had to make. As healers we should know that everyone is imperfect and all need love. So I ask this woman who posted her nasty statements about Two Feather to respond to the email I sent her three days ago and read her own words again.
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Winston:
So you see, those closest to Two Feather claim that despite his imperfections, deep down he is genuine, true, and desires to help others. That's important key evidence. You see, anyone can take a cursory glance at someone and call them a fraud. But not anyone can know a man for years and be close to him. The few that do definitely carry more weight in their opinions about him. In fact, you could say that the GREATEST TESTAMENT to a man's true character and nature is what those who are closest to him and have known him the longest say about him, for they are in the best position to judge his true heart.
I wanna make one more important point. Educatedindian may be right that Two Feather is misrepresenting Apache traditions.
However, there is nothing wrong if he simply says that he is a Native American who teaches spiritual/healing traditions from all over the world, including New Age ones. He can go under that package and people would be fine with it. It's his image and teachings that they like, not his historical accuracy.
Most people are not Native American scholars. They are simply looking for some traditional mystical image that reconnects them with their "spiritual roots" and lost traditions that modern industrial materialistic society has forgotten.
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Btw, check out this interesting video with Two Feather in it. Here is the link and description below. Notice that in the description, the producer calls Two Feather "an actual Apache medicine man". Perhaps someone can contact this producer through his YouTube account and get him to participate in this thread?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XlI9rA_h7E
Description:
"Either Or" is a visionary meditation on death. Shot on high quality Super 8 stock (with some DV footage interspersed), I wanted to create an environment where the dream-like death symbology was given a profoundly spiritual context, rather than one mired in fear and ignorance. The shaman is played by William Two Feather, an actual Apache medicine man. We've collaborated on several short films, each one with a unique spiritual vision.
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Winston, why do you consider the comment of a film producer - who means to promote his film in the very first place - an absolute trustworthy statement regarding Mr Schober's ethnic affiliation?
I mean, I can probably come up fairly quickly with a film producer telling you I was the actual head person of the Martian council of medicine persons, FWIW. He knows for sure, since he's done several films on Martian spirituality, each one with a unique spiritual vision, and also I told him so. So what does that prove then?
As we have seen, Mr Schober is a white person from California. Therefore, he is not Apache, and no Apache medicine person. This says a lot regarding Schober's honesty and the purity of his 'medicine', and that he's not genuine (cf comments from your blog quoted in your above post).
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Educatedindian,
I have a question for you. When you say that WTF is abusive and has abused women before, do you mean that he charms women and tells them what they want to hear to get them into bed, and then he leaves them the next day feeling used and lied to? Is that it? Or is there something more to it than that?
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Winston, why do you consider the comment of a film producer - who means to promote his film in the very first place - an absolute trustworthy statement regarding Mr Schober's ethnic affiliation?
I mean, I can probably come up fairly quickly with a film producer telling you I was the actual head person of the Martian council of medicine persons, FWIW. He knows for sure, since he's done several films on Martian spirituality, each one with a unique spiritual vision, and also I told him so. So what does that prove then?
As we have seen, Mr Schober is a white person from California. Therefore, he is not Apache, and no Apache medicine person. This says a lot regarding Schober's honesty and the purity of his 'medicine', and that he's not genuine (cf comments from your blog quoted in your above post).
Well I don't. That's why I'm asking that someone contact him and ask him how he knows that WTF is a real Apache, or else correct him on the matter. I would do it, but I am not an authority in this area.
If Schober is white, then why does he have dark skin? It will probably take a PI to look into his background and find out his real ethnicity.
Even if Schober is not really Apache, can't he just teach New Age healings while dressed up as an ancient NA and just call himself a New Age Healer? Many from all over the world have healing abilities. It's very possible he does have it.
Don't forget the testimonials from those closest to him. They are in the best position to judge his true heart.
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bev said...
ed few years I have assisted him with graphics for the series of books he is writing, of which a portion of the proceeds from these books will go to assist Native American causes.
He has never said to me that he has won a UFC or WWF anything, what he has said is that he was a contact knife fighting championship which was sponsored by Soldier of Fortune magazine in around 2000.
I would appreciate any more info re this aspect of his claims regarding martial arts
This is something I would like to research further if there is more info available
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....you say that WTF admits to fathering five kids by five different women and supporting none of them.
....you gotta consider ALL the evidence, and one of the most IMPORTANT pieces of evidence are the testimonies of those closest to him who've known him longest.
Have a look at what they say. See the words I've bolded. They sound like very wise people....
I wanna make one more important point. Educatedindian may be right that Two Feather is misrepresenting Apache traditions.
However, there is nothing wrong if he simply says that he is a Native American who teaches spiritual/healing traditions from all over the world, including New Age ones. He can go under that package and people would be fine with it. It's his image and teachings that they like, not his historical accuracy.
Most people are not Native American scholars. They are simply looking for some traditional mystical image that reconnects them with their "spiritual roots" and lost traditions that modern industrial materialistic society has forgotten.
That much was my mistake. Apparently it was from the women he used, abused, and left that say he fathered five kids and ran away.
So when you called these women "very wise people" my jaw dropped because of just how crazy and ridiculous that claim is.
These are women who have been hurt very badly and treated like pieces of meat, but still have not learned from the experience. What women would make statements like these? Women with severe self esteem issues who fear they may never have another man in their life again and desperately try to convince themselves that their abuser really loves them, deep down.
You also admit he may not be teaching Apache traditions, but try to convince yourself he teaches "Native traditions from all around the world."
OK, name one of them. Even one. Tarot cards? Exorcism? Those are both European. "Psychic surgery" is a scam from the Philippines.
And you also need to realize New Age and Native traditions are two entirely separate things. New Age is the racist stereotype of what they falsely imagine Native traditions to be.
And you go on to admit several times that some apparently don't care if he's lying. They want that fantasy image so badly it doesn't matter to them.
Think of it this way:
Is it OK with you if a white man calls himself Charlie Chan Buddha and claims that Bruce Lee taught him that exorcisms are ancient Chinese wisdom, and went around the world abusing women while claiming to be a Shaolin monk?
Wouldn't the racism, stereotypes, and lies upset you?
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If Schober is white, then why does he have dark skin? It will probably take a PI to look into his background and find out his real ethnicity.
Even if Schober is not really Apache, can't he just teach New Age healings while dressed up as an ancient NA and just call himself a New Age Healer? Many from all over the world have healing abilities. It's very possible he does have it.
Don't forget the testimonials from those closest to him. They are in the best position to judge his true heart.
Going by skintone is not exactly reliable. Schober looks lighter skinned to me than many whites do. In all of his photos he's several shades lighter than Al Pacino for example.
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/54/039_4072~Al-Pacino-Posters.jpg
Winston, does Schober look as dark as Apaches like these?
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/geronimo.jpg
http://www.historynet.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2008/militaryhistoryquarterly/autumn2008mhq/victorio.jpg
Or even modern day Apaches like Wendell Chino, who was the longtime president of one of the reservation govts?
http://media.indiancountrytoday.com/images/28-44+DSCF0042Clinton-CC.jpg
No, he's about ten shades lighter. He's about what a white man who likes to tan in the sun looks like.
Schober's skin tone is actually closer to this than any Apache.
http://static.open.salon.com/files/hitler_color1252510858.jpg
And again, no it is not OK to pose as Native for the sake of cash, building a cult around yourself, and to get away with abusing women. Let him call himself a white New Age imposter like he is.
And once more, women who are continuing to defend him after they've been used and abused him are some of the least reliable people. Think of them as cult survivors who remain members of the cult.
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Don't forget the testimonials from those closest to him. They are in the best position to judge his true heart.
Actually, they are but they don't, or won't. It has always been my experience that those closest to the predator, keep his/her secrets even closer. It's why they are close, the predator wouldn't have anyone close to him/her if they could not be trusted to NOT say what the truth is about him/her. A good example of this is the Scientology thing going on, with some people who were 'close' to the leader now recanting their glowing reviews and showing a different scenario.. which of course is debunked by those still in the high position of being 'close' to the head honcho. That's just the way it is.
I trust more, the person who knows no one in the camp, than those that are the closest.
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Don't forget the testimonials from those closest to him. They are in the best position to judge his true heart.
Actually, they are but they don't, or won't. It has always been my experience that those closest to the predator, keep his/her secrets even closer. It's why they are close, the predator wouldn't have anyone close to him/her if they could not be trusted to NOT say what the truth is about him/her.
Yeah, keeping a flock of enablers around to lie for them is part of the successful predator's game plan. Sometimes these people are literally hostages - terrified to speak the truth, terrified they or their families will be harmed if they speak out. It can take some people a long time to break away from that sort of psychological (and sometimes physical) imprisonment. Other enablers are willing co-abusers with the predator: a type of predator themselves who finds sick joy in harming others, and in helping a more powerful abuser harm others. Some of these pain groupies sign up with a predator in the hopes the bigger predator will take down their "enemies" for them. Some of those types are amazingly skilled at looking the other way when the predator harms innocents, or even harms them, as long as they hope they can point the predator at someone they want harmed.
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wot educatedindian, critter and Kathryn said
also, for further insight I recommend reading up on "identification with the aggressor" and "Stockholm syndrome"
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_8_73/ai_n6358315/
http://www.mental-health-matters.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=167
I hope this is helpful
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If Schober is white, then why does he have dark skin? It will probably take a PI to look into his background and find out his real ethnicity.
Even if Schober is not really Apache, can't he just teach New Age healings while dressed up as an ancient NA and just call himself a New Age Healer? Many from all over the world have healing abilities. It's very possible he does have it.
Don't forget the testimonials from those closest to him. They are in the best position to judge his true heart.
Going by skintone is not exactly reliable. Schober looks lighter skinned to me than many whites do. In all of his photos he's several shades lighter than Al Pacino for example.
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/54/039_4072~Al-Pacino-Posters.jpg
Winston, does Schober look as dark as Apaches like these?
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/geronimo.jpg
http://www.historynet.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2008/militaryhistoryquarterly/autumn2008mhq/victorio.jpg
Or even modern day Apaches like Wendell Chino, who was the longtime president of one of the reservation govts?
http://media.indiancountrytoday.com/images/28-44+DSCF0042Clinton-CC.jpg
No, he's about ten shades lighter. He's about what a white man who likes to tan in the sun looks like.
Schober's skin tone is actually closer to this than any Apache.
http://static.open.salon.com/files/hitler_color1252510858.jpg
And again, no it is not OK to pose as Native for the sake of cash, building a cult around yourself, and to get away with abusing women. Let him call himself a white New Age imposter like he is.
And once more, women who are continuing to defend him after they've been used and abused him are some of the least reliable people. Think of them as cult survivors who remain members of the cult.
Ok I see your point. He is not that dark after all. Does he claim to be pure Apache or mixed?
When I met him, I also noticed that it was unusual that he would brag and boast proudly about himself, when all the other Native Americans I've seen were very humble and modest.
Comparing his skin tone with Hitler though, was an extreme comparison.
And it is true that some of his victims may have a victim mentality or control drama in which they play out, possibly due to something in their past.
But look at it this way.
If you were in WTF's shoes, and you had a choice of whether to be an exotic icon to others, teach metaphysical things that fascinate others, and make some money from it, vs going to work in some factory as a menial wage slave doing the most tedious work, where ten minutes seem like an hour, which would you choose?
You can't blame him for choosing a more exotic and exciting path, can you?
Who can afford to be an angel in this world? There are so many evil sociopaths out there, who start wars, spread propaganda, etc. It's impossible to be completely ethical in this world. It goes against the system. Have you all seen the film "Zeitgeist" and "Zeitgeist Addendum" on YouTube or Google Video? It explains why true ethics cannot exist in our system.
My dad even told me that "people can only have morals if they can AFFORD to have them". If you go to third world countries, you will find that many have to scam, cheat and lie in order to make any little money at all. Most people are desperate and suffering out there. Only a few at the top of the pyramid have it all. This is a very unjust world. And a man often has to take what he can get.
So shouldn't we be understanding of that?
There is a spiritual saying that, "We should not judge others. Everyone is doing the best they can from their perspective, and no one can truly understand what it's like to be in another man's shoes."
Make sense?
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I'd like to report a strange problem or bug with this forum and the search engine results.
When I go to google and type in "william two feather", this forum thread does come up on the first page. However, if you click on it, it does not go directly here. Instead, it goes to some weird template version of this thread where most of the posts are not even seen.
This is the exact page it goes to:
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1242.0;wap2
Does anyone know why it does that? I don't know how this forum got mixed up with that bizarre and limited template. And it definitely is not efficient search engine optimization. The link should go directly to this thread. That page above contains no direct link to get to here, for instance.
So if you want this thread to appear in search results, I suggest someone here contact the webmaster or owner of this forum and tell them about this problem. Can someone forward this post to the owner?
Thanks,
Winston
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But look at it this way.
If you were in WTF's shoes, and you had a choice of whether to be an exotic icon to others, teach metaphysical things that fascinate others, and make some money from it, vs going to work in some factory as a menial wage slave doing the most tedious work, where ten minutes seem like an hour, which would you choose?
You can't blame him for choosing a more exotic and exciting path, can you?
Who can afford to be an angel in this world? There are so many evil sociopaths out there, who start wars, spread propaganda, etc. It's impossible to be completely ethical in this world. It goes against the system. Have you all seen the film "Zeitgeist" and "Zeitgeist Addendum" on YouTube or Google Video? It explains why true ethics cannot exist in our system.
My dad even told me that "people can only have morals if they can AFFORD to have them". If you go to third world countries, you will find that many have to scam, cheat and lie in order to make any little money at all. Most people are desperate and suffering out there. Only a few at the top of the pyramid have it all. This is a very unjust world. And a man often has to take what he can get.
So shouldn't we be understanding of that?
There is a spiritual saying that, "We should not judge others. Everyone is doing the best they can from their perspective, and no one can truly understand what it's like to be in another man's shoes."
Make sense?
Um, no.
Do you remember where you are? The whole point of this forum is to expose the people you just described.
You could excuse anything using that arguement.
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But look at it this way.
If you were in WTF's shoes, and you had a choice of whether to be an exotic icon to others, teach metaphysical things that fascinate others, and make some money from it, vs going to work in some factory as a menial wage slave doing the most tedious work, where ten minutes seem like an hour, which would you choose?
You can't blame him for choosing a more exotic and exciting path, can you?
Who can afford to be an angel in this world? There are so many evil sociopaths out there, who start wars, spread propaganda, etc. It's impossible to be completely ethical in this world. It goes against the system. Have you all seen the film "Zeitgeist" and "Zeitgeist Addendum" on YouTube or Google Video? It explains why true ethics cannot exist in our system.
My dad even told me that "people can only have morals if they can AFFORD to have them". If you go to third world countries, you will find that many have to scam, cheat and lie in order to make any little money at all. Most people are desperate and suffering out there. Only a few at the top of the pyramid have it all. This is a very unjust world. And a man often has to take what he can get.
So shouldn't we be understanding of that?
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this has to be one of the most insane things I have ever read, and I have read a lot of crazy things.
He is not living in a developing country. He does not lie awake at night afraid that armed forces of bandits might kill or rape his family. He does not have to eat dirt or vermin just to survive.
He is a man born into privilege and good fortune, at least compared to most people on this planet, and he is making money by exploiting the sacred traditions of people who are still trying to recover from the horrors and trauma of cultural and actual genocide.
Your defense of his actions is completely irrational and deeply offensive.
There is a spiritual saying that, "We should not judge others. Everyone is doing the best they can from their perspective, and no one can truly understand what it's like to be in another man's shoes."
Make sense?
Oh the irony.
WTF might physically put himself in the shoes (or to be precise moccasins) of native people but for a spirchul person he seems unable or unwilling to understand the hurt and pain he is causing to native and other people with his farcical performances.
How can you seriously ask anyone to put themselves in WTF's shoes when his lack of empathy (and thus inability to put himself into other people's shoes) is so evident?
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Thank you nemesis for saying it so much better than I could in my early morning fog and outrage.
I'd also like to mention it's pretty insulting to all the factory workers who do honest hard work to support their families.
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But look at it this way.
If you were in WTF's shoes, and you had a choice of whether to be an exotic icon to others, teach metaphysical things that fascinate others, and make some money from it, vs going to work in some factory as a menial wage slave doing the most tedious work, where ten minutes seem like an hour, which would you choose?
You can't blame him for choosing a more exotic and exciting path, can you?
Who can afford to be an angel in this world? There are so many evil sociopaths out there, who start wars, spread propaganda, etc. It's impossible to be completely ethical in this world. It goes against the system. Have you all seen the film "Zeitgeist" and "Zeitgeist Addendum" on YouTube or Google Video? It explains why true ethics cannot exist in our system.
My dad even told me that "people can only have morals if they can AFFORD to have them". If you go to third world countries, you will find that many have to scam, cheat and lie in order to make any little money at all. Most people are desperate and suffering out there. Only a few at the top of the pyramid have it all. This is a very unjust world. And a man often has to take what he can get.
So shouldn't we be understanding of that?
There is a spiritual saying that, "We should not judge others. Everyone is doing the best they can from their perspective, and no one can truly understand what it's like to be in another man's shoes."
Make sense?
There are people like that, yes. Those are the ones who are frauds and scammers.. if you know that is WTF's circumstance then why support him instead of expose him? If your 'example' was true, well, he didn't choose an exotic path, he chose instead to hurt and harm others .. because he didn't like the circumstances of his own life. No spiritual person I know of would do that.
So much wrong with this justification..
You justify people ripping other people off to make a buck? Simply because they didn't like what life was handing them? I guess all those Nigerian money scams are OK then too?
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You can't blame him for choosing a more exotic and exciting path, can you?
Who can afford to be an angel in this world? There are so many evil sociopaths out there, who start wars, spread propaganda, etc. It's impossible to be completely ethical in this world. It goes against the system. Have you all seen the film "Zeitgeist" and "Zeitgeist Addendum" on YouTube or Google Video? It explains why true ethics cannot exist in our system.
My dad even told me that "people can only have morals if they can AFFORD to have them". If you go to third world countries, you will find that many have to scam, cheat and lie in order to make any little money at all. Most people are desperate and suffering out there. Only a few at the top of the pyramid have it all. This is a very unjust world. And a man often has to take what he can get.
Where have I heard this defense before? Oh yeah...
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/07/bernie-madoff-f--k-my-vic_n_602605.html
....Bernie Madoff appears to have none of the remorse expected of a man staring down a 150-year prison sentence.
According to a lengthy new piece by Steve Fishman in New York magazine, Madoff, who apparently pals around with a former mob boss and a spy in a federal prison in Butner, North Carolina told a fellow inmate, "F--- my victims. I carried them for twenty years, and now I'm doing 150 years."
Madoff, whose con artist bona fides seems to have turned some fellow inmates into "groupies," even indicated to other prisoners that some of his victims actually deserved to have their money taken from them. Overall, Madoff comes off as cocksure, unrepentant and a bit miffed at the world. Here's New York magazine:
He was past apologizing. In prison, he crafted his own version of events. From MCC, Madoff explained the trap he was in. "People just kept throwing money at me," Madoff related to a prison consultant who advised him on how to endure prison life. "Some guy wanted to invest, and if I said no, the guy said, 'What, I'm not good enough?'?" One day, Shannon Hay, a drug dealer who lived in the same unit in Butner as Madoff, asked about his crimes. "He told me his side. He took money off of people who were rich and greedy and wanted more," says Hay, who was released in December. People, in other words, who deserved it.
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IOW's the money's too good, who can blame them? Blame the victims instead...
Yes, we can blame them. This is insulting to the great majority of people who remain honest.
And yes, that includes the Third World. I've traveled to Latin America and Asia (Philippines and Indonesia) quite a bit. Most people don't hustle, don't steal, don't con. Your father is dead wrong. In the Third World, it's mostly the wealthy who constantly steal, along with crooked govt and esp cops. They do it mostly to honest poor people.
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Check this out. Some people have posted more vile accusations about William Two Feather on my blog.
http://intellectualexpat.blogspot.com/2008/09/meet-william-two-feather-native.html
What do you think? Could they be true? Can a person be a spiritual healer and a manipulative user living for lust at the same time?
Here are some pics of Two Feather from his site for you to get some vibes from.
http://www.2feather.com/gallery.html
(http://www.2feather.com/images/aCrazyHorsestands.jpg)(http://www.2feather.com/images/aHalfBodyDhanZhou.jpg)(http://www.2feather.com/images/aCrazyHorse.jpg)
To be honest, when I met him and had a few beers in his hotel room, he struck me as friendly, a good talker, a man with many interesting stories and things to share, and a person of intellectual depth too even. However, I kept sensing a sort of "dark energy" about him, as if something was draining my aura, like some sort of energy vampire. It was really weird. I also sensed that he had some power in him whereby he could manipulate people or even hypnotize them easily. He acted as though he was used to getting his way with people. There also seemed to be a depraved side to him as well, as though there were many skeletons in his closet that you could feel in his aura. (which turned out to be true based on the comments about him in my blog and on new age fraud forum).
Have any of you met people like that?
Anyhow, Two Feather is angry now and demanding that I remove the whole blog entry as well as this thread. I left a note on the blog saying that negative comments can't be posted anonymously, but the posters posted anonymously anyway. You see, if I disallow anonymous posts on that blog, it'd go for every blog page on there, not just that one. That would mean less comments, as most prefer to post anonymously.
What do you think I should do?
That being said, I'd have to say based on the variety of comments in my blog about him, that the most logical conclusion about WTF is that he is a mixture of traits that we see as polar opposites. He is a healer with a good heart who possesses some healing energy (like we all do if we learn to tap it), as well as some intellectual depth, but at the same time he can be a manipulator who lives for lust too.
We've all been programmed by Hollywood to think that a person can only be "all good" or "all evil" but in reality that's not the case. People often have mixtures of good and evil in them. They can coexist in the same person. As the Taoists say, they are "two sides of the same coin", part of a duality that cannot exist without each other. Thus they cannot be suppressed. You cannot understand one without understanding the other.
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Check this out. Some people have posted more vile accusations about William Two Feather on my blog.
http://intellectualexpat.blogspot.com/2008/09/meet-william-two-feather-native.html
What do you think? Could they be true? Can a person be a spiritual healer and a manipulative user living for lust at the same time?
Here are some pics of Two Feather from his site for you to get some vibes from.
http://www.2feather.com/gallery.html
(http://www.2feather.com/images/aCrazyHorsestands.jpg)(http://www.2feather.com/images/aHalfBodyDhanZhou.jpg)(http://www.2feather.com/images/aCrazyHorse.jpg)
To be honest, when I met him and had a few beers in his hotel room, he struck me as friendly, a good talker, a man with many interesting stories and things to share, and a person of intellectual depth too even. However, I kept sensing a sort of "dark energy" about him, as if something was draining my aura, like some sort of energy vampire. It was really weird. I also sensed that he had some power in him whereby he could manipulate people or even hypnotize them easily. He acted as though he was used to getting his way with people. There also seemed to be a depraved side to him as well, as though there were many skeletons in his closet that you could feel in his aura. (which turned out to be true based on the comments about him in my blog and on new age fraud forum).
Have any of you met people like that?
Anyhow, Two Feather is angry now and demanding that I remove the whole blog entry as well as this thread. I left a note on the blog saying that negative comments can't be posted anonymously, but the posters posted anonymously anyway. You see, if I disallow anonymous posts on that blog, it'd go for every blog page on there, not just that one. That would mean less comments, as most prefer to post anonymously.
What do you think I should do?
That being said, I'd have to say based on the variety of comments in my blog about him, that the most logical conclusion about WTF is that he is a mixture of traits that we see as polar opposites. He is a healer with a good heart who possesses some healing energy (like we all do if we learn to tap it), as well as some intellectual depth, but at the same time he can be a manipulator who lives for lust too.
We've all been programmed by Hollywood to think that a person can only be "all good" or "all evil" but in reality that's not the case. People often have mixtures of good and evil in them. They can coexist in the same person. As the Taoists say, they are "two sides of the same coin", part of a duality that cannot exist without each other. Thus they cannot be suppressed. You cannot understand one without understanding the other.
It looks like you have been mind control. A bit contradicting to your blog that says opposes mind control and enslavement.
There is a reason why he has been doing what he has been doing; he exploits people's ignorance.
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Check out this vicious comment about William Two Feather someone posted anonymously in my blog. Dang.
http://intellectualexpat.blogspot.com/2008/09/meet-william-two-feather-native.html
I grew up with this "character" and i mean that in every sense of the word!He is no more a "shamman" than i am "the queen of englan". he is just good at his game.someone mentioned that he preys on low self esteem women,that is an
understatement.William has been a showman since he was just a little kid,yes he was a martial art student and became very god at it. He is and has always been a very calculatin,sociopathic, a thief and a con all of his life.I might add very good at it.Karma takes care of all of us.good or bad...I will pray every day that he gets his everyday of his life.I don't wish him anything but what he deserves.someone said he caries a big wound in his heart,Not! he should carry a big shame in his heart with all of the pain he has caused others in their lives.shame for the pain he has caused to all of his unwanted children,that he has disregarded and abused and stole from.
I feel bad for all those fools that are so starved for spirutiality , that are being led around by some well educated (on the subject) east L.A. hood boy!..what! a thug amongs the Natives!
I'll tell you one disturbing thing though. Even though I defended him with some logical arguments on the new age fraud forum and told WTF about it, he wouldn't even thank me at least. Instead, he just demanded that I remove the posts about him and forget that I ever met him. Is that any way to treat someone who defended you and stuck up for you? Really odd. If someone stuck up for me, I'd appreciate it and thank them. Why doesn't he do the same? Not a good sign.
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That's not vicious, that's accurate. The only part remotely vicious is to call him a sociopath. How is calling a con man a con man anything but accurate? There are some vicious comments on your thread. They come from WTF supporters, aimed at his critics. BUt you don't see any of the critics, or us here, demanding you delete them.
I look at those photos and I don't see much but a white guy whose a poor actor. His tattoo, for example, looks to be Lakota inspired. Seemingly you restarted this thread, Winston, because you are upset a man you admire (mostly for the women he gets) is being mean to you. Hopefully you will learn to look at what's more important, that he's made his living abusing people.
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There's something I don't get about William Two Feather. If he is innocent of all the charges, then why doesn't he come on the sites that are attacking him and defend himself? It's not like there are thousands of sites attacking him. When you google his name, only two sites come up, my blog and the new age fraud forum, that are critical of him. It would not take more than an hour for him to come and defend himself or clear up any misunderstandings if the charges against him are false.
I understand that no one can defend themselves forever on every site, and that no celebrity has the time to respond to online rumors, but innocent people usually at least try once to clear up false statements about them online, or at least give their side of the story. On the other hand, those who are guilty and have no defense are usually the ones who avoid it altogether and have no comment.
So isn't that a bad sign that WTF has no comment or defense? If someone were lying about me, I sure would not be silent about it.
It does not take much time to at least put up ONE site defending yourself and giving your side of the story, so that people can see it and refer to it at least.
Why doesn't he do that, instead of threatening me to take down my blog? Even without my blog, the new age fraud forum thread already does the same damage, so my blog page about him doesn't make much of a difference. He ought to at least give his side of the story somewhere, if he even has a defense, don't you think?
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That's not vicious, that's accurate. The only part remotely vicious is to call him a sociopath. How is calling a con man a con man anything but accurate? There are some vicious comments on your thread. They come from WTF supporters, aimed at his critics. BUt you don't see any of the critics, or us here, demanding you delete them.
I look at those photos and I don't see much but a white guy whose a poor actor. His tattoo, for example, looks to be Lakota inspired. Seemingly you restarted this thread, Winston, because you are upset a man you admire (mostly for the women he gets) is being mean to you. Hopefully you will learn to look at what's more important, that he's made his living abusing people.
Have you ever met WTF before?
I was mildly amused at his ability to get women. But that wasn't what impressed me. I found him to be a good talker, personable, interesting, etc. He reminded me of myself in a lot of ways with his freespirited esoteric lifestyle beyond boundaries. But like I said, I sensed a dark energy around him, like a manipulative energy that was controlling my mind. Did any of you who met WTF sense the same thing?
I am very sensitive to energy, being an Indigo child, so I pick up on it more than others.
Is there any chance that WTF is simply misunderstood? Or wounded inside? Or someone who was treated unjustly by the world growing up? Have you considered that? Sometimes, if the world is unfair to a child, that child grows up and feels that he does not have to be fair to others as well. A person raised with kindness treats others with kindness, and vice versa.
Now that I look at his photos again, you are right. He looks white, maybe Hispanic, but not like the Native American photos from history. Someone in my blog said that he was only partially Apache on his mother's side. Any chance that could be true?
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Is there any chance that WTF is simply misunderstood? Or wounded inside? Or someone who was treated unjustly by the world growing up? Have you considered that? Sometimes, if the world is unfair to a child, that child grows up and feels that he does not have to be fair to others as well. A person raised with kindness treats others with kindness, and vice versa.
It doesn't matter if he was wounded inside or treated unjustly. Lots of people were, most of them don't go out and hurt others. Some of them become very compassionate because of it. Anyway it would not give him the right to do what he does. It's despicable. He's a fraud and a con. It doesn't matter why.
My question is, why is it so important to you to find reasons and excuses for his obvious fraudiness (is that a new word? ;))
and btw, the veracity of that Indigo Children theory is dubious. No science behind it at all.
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I find the comment about being an "indigo child" insulting.
Just wanted to say.
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Tansi;
Yes, Winston, I have met him and was unimpressed by his attitude. I watched him take advantage of some vulnerable people and do not understand why you do not see this as abusive as well as fraudulent.
I noticed that you included some of my comments, on your website, but called them "anonomous". I have always used my given name, when I make comments on NAFPS, as I am not ashamed of them!
Ric
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Isn't Winston the creepy racist / sexist guy who was banned a while back?
*confused*
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Is there any chance that WTF is simply misunderstood? Or wounded inside? Or someone who was treated unjustly by the world growing up? Have you considered that? Sometimes, if the world is unfair to a child, that child grows up and feels that he does not have to be fair to others as well. A person raised with kindness treats others with kindness, and vice versa.
It doesn't matter if he was wounded inside or treated unjustly. Lots of people were, most of them don't go out and hurt others. Some of them become very compassionate because of it. Anyway it would not give him the right to do what he does. It's despicable. He's a fraud and a con. It doesn't matter why.
My question is, why is it so important to you to find reasons and excuses for his obvious fraudiness (is that a new word? ;))
and btw, the veracity of that Indigo Children theory is dubious. No science behind it at all.
The science behind it is that the Indigo Children have purple auras when Kirilian photographers take their aura photos. That science does seem pretty consistent. I guess the folks here are not spiritually oriented or metaphysical?
But this is an area beyond science and beyond the physical. We all know that science cannot explain MANY MANY things.
Also, it takes one to know one. If you are not a spiritual person, you will not recognize or appreciate those who are. If you are not an intellectual or have an inner life, you will not appreciate those who do. That's common sene. We are all on certain frequncies. Some are on a different plane of consciousness than others.
Most are conformists and materialists who follow the herd and don't think outside the box. Some are not. Some think outside the box and get condemned for it. History is filled with examples.
Indigo children is just a label. Whatever you want to call it, it is a fact that some people are different from the herd, less materialistic and do not fit into conformist structures. Nothing wrong with that. But our society condemns people who don't conform.
I don't get why you are offended though by the term. If I used the label ADHD, would you be offended too, since it's a label backed by no science other than the judgment of the system? Or would you accept that term cause it's given by the establishment?
Most are programmed with the fallacy of authority=truth, which any critical thinker knows is false and can debunk. The system is rigged so that people usually become either a robot or a bum. Only someone who can think outside the box can choose a third path usually.
Here are some informative videos about Indigo Children:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvg4HJcHbcs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa3Dp5AmKSM
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Winston, we have more than a few threads in here on the pseudo science gibberish about so called indigos. Basically it's something Nuage con artists invented to scam money off of frustrated parents of ADHD kids. Instead of it being a problem, they were lied to and told it somehow made them "special." Don't get insulting and abusive with us jusy because you and possibly your parents were scammed. Hopefully they weren't taken for too much money for such pseudo science.
Your insults and abusive attacks on the members won't be deleted only because otherwise the thread would make less sense. Don't do that again unless you want a permanent ban. This is your last warning.
Back on topic, you still have yet to directly answer why Schober (yes, that is his REAL name, don't play into his fantasy role playing by calling him by his pseudo Apache name) appeals toyou so much. But you did indirectly reveal why. You have this whole "rebel without a cause" fantasy of yourself and you imagine him to be doing the same.
But if he were truly a "rebel" against Native communities, then he wouldn't be a healer. Real healers are respected within their communities. They're not overaged teenagers with silly James Dean wannabe fantasies they should have outgrown decades ago.
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Excuse me, but who are you to decide what is spiritual and what is not? Who are you to say that people who don't gobble up the gook about indigo children, or star children or any of the other new age GOOP are not spiritual?
In my estimation, you know very little.
Indigo Children is just words for EGO to feel good and make someone think they're "special".. different from the "herd" mentality.
It's all BS. ADD has actually been found in genetic studies. It's an anomaly genetically.
As for aura's, again, you know very little. That new age junk has polluted so many people's minds.
EDIT: (sorry, off topic can be deleted.. i will say no more on the off topic. thank you.)
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Isn't Winston the creepy racist / sexist guy who was banned a while back?
*confused*
No that's not me. You must have me mixed up with someone else. I am not racist or sexist, but I do not claim that all races are the same except for color either. I am not a politically correct automaton.
I am a public person with credibility and good character references. See here for proof:
http://www.happierabroad.com/CheckMe.htm
http://www.happierabroad.com/stefan_vs_winston.htm
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Winston, we have more than a few threads in here on the pseudo science gibberish about so called indigos. Basically it's something Nuage con artists invented to scam money off of frustrated parents of ADHD kids. Instead of it being a problem, they were lied to and told it somehow made them "special." Don't get insulting and abusive with us jusy because you and possibly your parents were scammed. Hopefully they weren't taken for too much money for such pseudo science.
Your insults and abusive attacks on the members won't be deleted only because otherwise the thread would make less sense. Don't do that again unless you want a permanent ban. This is your last warning.
Back on topic, you still have yet to directly answer why Schober (yes, that is his REAL name, don't play into his fantasy role playing by calling him by his pseudo Apache name) appeals toyou so much. But you did indirectly reveal why. You have this whole "rebel without a cause" fantasy of yourself and you imagine him to be doing the same.
But if he were truly a "rebel" against Native communities, then he wouldn't be a healer. Real healers are respected within their communities. They're not overaged teenagers with silly James Dean wannabe fantasies they should have outgrown decades ago.
What insults and abuses? I have not insulted anyone. I merely gave my observations about spiritual realities. Why are you closed minded about them? It sounds like you've made up your mind. Don't tell me that you guys are affiliated with the James Randi crowd?
I have not been scammed by anyone telling me about Indigo children. I merely read about it and saw it on video, and it applied to me. No one asked me for money. There are many spiritual people in this world. Not everyone is a con.
And ADHD is the scam. There is no scientific proof for it. It's just a label that society puts on creative kids who are right brained and do not want to become automatons or robots. Not every kid is cut out to sit in class and take notes memorizing tedious and useless data to keep them left brained and subservient. People with higher consciousness live in a better reality than that. The flaw of the school system is that it assumes that every child is born to become a robot conformist but in reality that's not true. Thus the school system assumes a fallacy and blames everyone else for it rather than itself.
What we are talking about here is something OUTSIDE the realm of science. If you think that the laws of physics are the only reality, then read my treatise here:
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Contents.htm
And see the evidence here:
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/evidence.php
Are you all Atheists here?
I told you, I found Schober appearling cause he was interesting in a lot of ways. He said interesting things, and seemed like a rebel. He is not a dull automaton like the herd we are conditioned to be. But of course, that doesn't mean I trust him. I said I found him interesting, not a paragon of morality.
I didn't say he was a rebel against the Native Community. Some people go their own path, but that doesn't mean they can't have spiritual gifts. Not everyone fits into groups and structures. Some are freespirits. Being a rebel is not bad. Lots of characters we admire are. It's what a man does that determines his character.
Does that answer your question? I was fascinated by him. But I never said he was a paragon of morality.
Why not attack people who have committed higher crimes? This administration for instance, has started an unholy and unGodly war in Iraq and killed a million people already, all for oil, greed and power. Aren't any of you outraged by that? Evil gets away with their crimes, as long as they have power and money. Don't you resent that? Where is karma in all this? Why do good people suffer and evil people go unpunished?
Those are the bigger questions.
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Isn't Winston the creepy racist / sexist guy who was banned a while back?
*confused*
No that's not me. You must have me mixed up with someone else. I am not racist or sexist, but I do not claim that all races are the same except for color either. I am not a politically correct automaton.
I am a public person with credibility and good character references. See here for proof:
http://www.happierabroad.com/CheckMe.htm
http://www.happierabroad.com/stefan_vs_winston.htm
Completely off topic. I think nemesis is referring to the comments you've made here on this board, which ultimately range from broad stereotypes, which would actually go against your self-definition of a non-conformist. Two thoughts come to mind "Me thinks he doth protest too much" as well as a South Park episode where Stan is attempting to recruit dancers for his dance team and asks the Goth kids who protest that dancing is "conformist" until the last character agrees because he's SUCH a non-conformist he's not gonna conform to any of them.
Reality is perception for people. Your perception is that you're not an automaton and you seem to spend a lot of time conforming to that perception. Others on here read your comments on this board (I'm not talking outside the board) and perceive a level of racism based on stereotypes. Not that it can't be cured with a little knowledge...I think you'd be open to that, but you seem resistant to it. I think also you must consider that no matter what context you put it in...there are those who would find your lifestyle creepy....you can't escape that, but once again...a little personal knowledge would cure that.
On the topic of WTF, your comments defending him are not unrealistic to me. For someone who's so completely out of touch with the Native American community as a whole I can see where you come to the conclusions you do. I see some behavior that suggests you are trying to find the middle ground in all this....after all, the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. However, when individuals have advised you that you're just not getting it and I think that's where the misperceptions seem to be taking control.
WTF himself has exhibited behavior towards you that fits the descriptions offered by those that have come across him. Some of them are members of this board...one of them...Ric has proven to be more than credible and doesn't have a dog in the fight of whether WTF is truthful or not, he simply has stated an observation and based on the information he readily adds to discussions on this board, he has a leg to stand on.
The end result is there is a lot of strife surrounding WTF. He DOES make things up and a lot of that is more than evident in the youtube vids and other sources. He's not silently ignorant...he's opening his mouth and removing all doubt. I'm sure there are reasons for why he is like he is...but lies are lies no matter how they're justified. If something happened to him that poisoned his judgment to allow for lies to how he gets to what he perceives as good in his life, then yes, he should be pitied for it. But no matter what, without acknowledgement of these transgressions, one would tend to believe that he will continue transgressing against others...as he's done to you. To us a Dr. Philism....past behavior predicts future behavior AND you can't change what you don't acknowledge.
His pedigree is of no interest to me...what is of interest is the negative effects that result from his behavior. I don't wish to cure him....only to let others be knowledgeable of his behavior and inevitably the misinformation that he presents that personally affects me as I live off the reservation these days and have to constantly combat the misperceptions people have of me as either a "noble savage" or a poverty case worthy of pity....which I'm neither. I'm not a character in a book, but a real human being, just as all Native people are, and I struggle with the same issues of my future and my survival and that of my loved ones just as any one else should. I've had some hard times too, but that doesn't justify me turning away from truth as a means to bandage it....I've learned through examples of elders in my community and family, to address these issues head on as they approach and not hide from them, but engage them and learn something in the end. I make mistakes too, but I don't pretend that I'm above reproach.
Superdog
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Excuse me, but who are you to decide what is spiritual and what is not? Who are you to say that people who don't gobble up the gook about indigo children, or star children or any of the other new age GOOP are not spiritual?
In my estimation, you know very little.
Indigo Children is just words for EGO to feel good and make someone think they're "special".. different from the "herd" mentality.
It's all BS. ADD has actually been found in genetic studies. It's an anomaly genetically.
As for aura's, again, you know very little. That new age junk has polluted so many people's minds.
EDIT: (sorry, off topic can be deleted.. i will say no more on the off topic. thank you.)
Can you show me these studies about ADHD or link to them?
I should have ADHD too, since I can't concentrate in class unless I'm interested in the subject. And my mind wanders. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with me. I simply can't force myself to memorize data if I find it boring.
This is true of many intelligent people.
Check out this video debunking ADHD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32CmCvEqBHo
Remember that not everything you are told is true. The swin flue scares of 1976 and last year turned out to be false, for example. Big Pharma is about profits, not truth.
Check out what these psychiatrists say about why psychiatry is a pseudo-science:
http://www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-disorders/psychiatrists-on-lack-of-any-medical-or-scientific-tests/
One psychiatrist explains here:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nzdu3WQyIZg
Again, I'm not trying to insult anyone, so please don't take everything too personally. Let's try to be objective here ok?
Thanks,
Winston
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Winston, you believe in Indigo Children and you ask that others be objective?
Leaving ADHD out of it, the so-called Indigo phenom is blatant, obvious pandering to the basic human need to feel different, better, or special than other humans. That's why the so-called Indigo traits apply to anyone. I have most of them. For one thing, I don't like waiting in lines very much--not like the rest of you lame-ass sheeple!!! I must be special and unique! (But I wasn't born at the right time to be an Indigo, so I'm one of those, um, lemmesee, Crystal Children! Because that sounds even more special!)
You liked WTF because you found him so very special and charismatic and rebellious that he reminded you of special, charismatic, rebellious you. This is precisely what allows people like him to prey on people like you. To rebel against everything presented to you is no more unique, intelligent or meritorious than to accept it all without question--either way, it's a jerking patella. Nothing special about those.
In short, you are unique, just like everyone else. It isn't exotic or charismatic, but it Is.
You think vaccines cause autism, don't you?
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Isn't Winston the creepy racist / sexist guy who was banned a while back?
*confused*
No that's not me. You must have me mixed up with someone else. I am not racist or sexist, but I do not claim that all races are the same except for color either. I am not a politically correct automaton.
I am a public person with credibility and good character references. See here for proof:
http://www.happierabroad.com/CheckMe.htm
http://www.happierabroad.com/stefan_vs_winston.htm
It speaks volumes about your lack of self awareness that you provide links to your seedy website to prove that you are not sexist.
Anyone perusing your blog and nasty little website will see the "adventures" of a socially inept man with a huge sense of entitlement as he takes advantage of vulnerable teenage girls in Russia, the Ukraine and other Eastern European countries.
In this video entitled "Asian playboy and 2 hot Russian blondes, Julia and Katya"
(direct link to video removed) - it was so degrading to the young girls in it that I don't feel comfortable leaving it here, it does not seem fair on the girls that not only do they have do deal with being pestered and mauled about by Winston but they also have to put up with the fact that he posts degrading videos of them on the internet. :(
@ Winston - You film Olga, who is just 16 years old, although she does not seem entirely happy. Later you film Julia who wants to talk about her dog who she loves, you just keep saying that she is beautiful and trying to get her to dance, even though there is no music and she says that she does not want to dance.
Later you say "I totally had the hots for Julia (who wouldn't) but she played games and played hard to get".
However somehow you managed to persuade her to be intimate with you and you provide a sleazy photo as proof of this.
You then state that the next day her friend Katya came to visit and that you were mesmerised as "she was the perfect looking blonde of my dreams and fantasies"
Presumably at this point you lost interest in Julia as you provide another photo of you "making out" with Katya
This vile video ends with Julia finally doing some kind of sleazy dance, so presumably she finally gave in to your pestering.
Seems to me that you a predatory sex tourist, who relies on the poverty and vulnerability of young girls in order to promote yourself as some kind of playboy.
Your support for a sleazy fraud like two Feather makes sense on this basis, as you both seem to enjoy sexual adventures with vulnerable women.
You make me sick. Literally.
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that video link nemesis posted is a totally disgusting, degrading, dehumanizing depiction of women.
i'd say what i think of winston, but the vile i feel is probably best left unsaid.
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Trying to get back to this subject's topic: This character is doing a show in Oslo, Norway, tomorrow:
http://www.unity.no/cms/index.php/arrangemeter/icalrepeat.detail/2011/10/11/7828/49%7C59%7C60%7C50%7C46%7C56%7C58%7C45/totem-medicine-animals-with-william-two-feather.html
Have you ever wondered why the Creator put you here and what your mission in life is? Ask no more – TwoFeather is here to share the wisdom of the Native American People with those of you who want to know.
According to Native American Wisdom there are Special Archetypes that make up our society. They are not chosen by you, but rather they are assigned according to birth season, month and day. Also given are your stone of power and balance, your plant of longevity and good health and a color that increases your special gifts given by the Creator. We are all given special gifts to assist others and to be in our power and authority.
During these teachings we can learn about ourselves and those significant to us by understanding these ancient teachings. You can choose mates, family, friends, staff – whoever you associate with.
Quite disgusting, in my opinion.
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Wu has passed along some more information on Schober.
As Wu notes, there are many more disturbing allegations of abuse of children, even family. I hasten to say these are only allegations at this point.
As for WTF's new claims of having been Special Forces, I think it's time for the websites that go after phonies falsely claiming to be war vets to take a look at Mr. Schober.
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Hey check this out. William Two Feather just did an interview in some foreign country. I can't tell what the language is, but I recognize some Slavic Russian words in it. What language is it?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCoZ8nl0VGw[/youtube]
Here is a news report in some foreign country about his healing work, where he explains what he does. lol. I'll bet he loved the part where he smelled the neck of that hot blonde. lol
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytGkmYsPy1o[/youtube]
Here is a 14 minute interview with him in Europe about his life and mission, where he claims to have been in the Marine Corps Special Forces, holds a 4th degree black belt in Kung Fu (lol as far as I know, there are no "ranking belts" in Kung Fu lol), is the current title holder of the US knife fighting championship, has been in 200 street fights and bar brawls, was a star athlete in high school, and was an academic scholar. lol Wow, that's a lot of amazing accomplishments. lol I wonder if the interviewer really believed all that? lol. Is there really an official tournament in the USA where the contestants fight with knives? lol WTF?! That's highly improbable, unless he's referring to some underground tournament. In the last 30 seconds of the interview, he gave a message to all his bashers in my blog comments.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9DrgxBIAXA[/youtube]
Check out the response to it in the comments section of my blog page about him. Now there are over 50 comments about him, most of which are vehement attacks with disturbing allegations. Dang.
http://intellectualexpat.blogspot.com/2008/09/meet-william-two-feather-native.html
LOL I asked my friend who is a mental health counselor about the interview above, and here is his response:
lol, I think I am actually friends with this guy on Facebook. His persona on there is quite a bit different from how he comes across in this interview. This guy is an obvious fake and sociopath. I Googled "US Knife-fighting championship" and came up with nothing, though I'm sure, as you say, that this guy would probably claim it is an "underground" sort of thing. He looks remarkably unscarred for a knife fighter and veteran brawler with 200+ street fights.
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William Two Feather just did an interview in some foreign country. I can't tell what the language is, but I recognize some Slavic Russian words in it. What language is it?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCoZ8nl0VGw[/youtube]
WTF is being interviewed by a TV station in Serbia in this video. Questions are translated to English for him, and he answers in English with his assistant translating to Serbian.
Here is a news report in some foreign country about his healing work, where he explains what he does. lol. I'll bet he loved the part where he smelled the neck of that hot blonde. lol
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytGkmYsPy1o[/youtube]
Serbian TV again; he is being subtitled.
They seem to translate his name, he gets called Vilijam Dva Pera - there are probably more videos up at youtube using this spelling.
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Hi from Australia,
William Two Feathers is, apparently, " available to Australian people for the month of Feb and March of 2012. Ancient verbal history of Native American people has waited in the dust for many generations waiting for the time just before Our Mother (Gaia) Earth Changes. This is now that time for the verbal history of Traditional Spiritual and Healing Ways to be shared with the light workers for the coming thousand years of Bliss."
check him out at the Byron Spirit Festival website:
http://www.spiritfestival.com.au/william-two-feather
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MsWilma, have you thought about contacting the local media and pointing them to this site? It might be too late to get WTF pulled from that festival, but maybe some others can be persuaded not to waste their money and time on him. I think I recall WTF facing exposes last time he was down in Australia, so perhaps try that angle.
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Here's the facebook page promoting the same event. Looks like the wall is unedited as there are several people coming out against WTF:
https://www.facebook.com/events/274969339243649/
Here's how the event describes WTF:
"Thursday 16th of February :
William Two Feather - Native American Apache Medicine Man (Sanador)
Traditional Native American Spiritual Techniques
~ Acknowledged by Science ~
William Two Feather is a multi-faceted maverick with many special gifts.
At an early age he acquired the many secrets of American-Indian healing tradition from his great grand-mother – a medicine woman.
Then For over 10 years, Two Feather trained in Native American Spiritual Traditions with three Elders from three different tribes in the South-western United States. This included amongst other modalities – a specialization in Native American version of chiro-practic branch of medicine. As well as psychic / energetic shamanic healing
In the years that have followed he has given his flesh and blood Ceremonially to assist his walk upon the Red Road. Now after 15 years as a professional healer Two-Feather is ready to share these time tested wisdom traditions with the people of Australia during his stay here in the months of February and March of 2012.
William is an author of 5 completed books and he says that he has another 22 books to write over the coming years.
Two Feather is now dedicated to passing his knowledge to others. He was a party to a spiritual contract which goes like this. "You will apprentice, then do as your were trained for ~ to be a Spiritual Advisor, become a Pipe Carrier and do Healing Work. You will take these ways across the pond to share with other lands. Then you will train & teach. Then you will teach the teachers. Then you will write oral history so the knowledge doses not die with us, and take that to the world. Then you can do as you please…""
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Just gotta shake your head....it's kind of like "Really??? Seriously??" But yeah...that's how he's being billed over there. But there's some encouraging news. AIM Australia is all over him I guess and there's a poster that said she contacted the venue and got word they have no connection to him whatsoever, but are just renting to space...
Highlights:
Poster Stacy: "I wanted to share with you that I spoke to the Unity Centre where he is 'speaking' tonight. They wish for me to clarify that they are IN NO WAY involved with two feathers, and in fact are only renting the space to Nexus who will be calling me to disucuss a more appropriate AND REAL Native American speaker for any future events...."
Poster Redhorse: "You are all being fooled by this trickster!!!! Do not condone this fraud. The American Indian Movment is on to him. I wrote to this person, William Schober aka William Two Feather sometime ago when I saw that he said he was a Mescalero Apache. I wrote that I too am a Mescalero Apache and asked him to join us here at the American Indian Movement here in Australia to fight against people posing as Native Americans and doing the wrong thing. Guess what he never wrote back and he also took off that he is a Mescaslero Apache. Do not be fooled he has a silver tongue and is good with it. He is no Native American."
It will be interesting to see what happens after the event. I'll try and update.
Superdog
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Not much to update on the Australia Nexus gig he did. However, if you follow the spirit festival link posted by MsWilma you'll see in the comments where WTF is trying to defend himself.
He, of course, uses generalities and has the attitude that if you don't want to listen then you don't "deserve" to learn "his teachings".
Winston's blog has some interesting information in the comments section, from someone who says she's a family member.
http://intellectualexpat.blogspot.com/2008/09/meet-william-two-feather-native.html
(current last comment) Anonymous:
"Wwu777. I like what I read from you. You clearly see him fully..... I'm one of his first cousins with stories so out there going back to childhood. Your so correct why lie about things so easily checked out....
He never was in war, no special forces ...yes a marine stationed over seas and there is where he started martial arts...basic martial arts.... No winning of anything... Nothing he said on that utube video made I think nov .2011 ...anyway nothing he said about his family life is true... He was a joke growing up until he started his Sick behavior towards us girls...at that point he wasn't allowed in anyones home..even his own grandmother felt uncomfortable in his presence... He tried to kiss her mouth open as she says.... The stories go on and on...anyway ..thank you wwu777
Ive tried not go anonymous.. I blame the iPad..it's really me..computer dummy... (e-mail address removed, on original post)"
Seems to be some first hand info. She debunks pretty much everything he says and makes some shocking charges against him. There is an e-mail attached to the the post, but i removed it here as the original poster put that on Winston's board and not here.
Superdog
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geez... :( well, i guess if you're a kid and your family treats you like a joke, you just may
end up being crazy like this. how sad.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9DrgxBIAXA
Looks like he recently responded to the comments on this video.
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Some new developments. The comments over on Winston Wu's site continued, raging for all these months to now number over 170, plus some removed. This includes many allegations of abuse of women and girls, including family.
His workshop in Denmark is said to have been canceled, the only reason named word getting out he is a bad person.
The most humorous twist is Schober blustering, threatening to sue Wu, and Wu laughing it off. Here's the exchange. I find it pretty amusing he mizes legal threats with the super spirchul pose. And since when did spelling or punctuation become unspirchul?
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WWu777September 21, 2012 8:29 AM
I just received a second lawsuit threat from WTF:
"i am now i contact with a special lawyer we are drawing up multiple charges to begin the lawsuit filing with
he will get all that's possible and your $300 loss will pale in comparison
i have a partner i am working with out of Houston and i don't want to pay the lawyers fees ( my hard earned living money) but I am prepared and wiling
it will come out of your bank account some day soon i promise you and much much more
its taken a little more time than I thought to start i sware to sue you for what you have done by allowing providing places and encouraging people to assault me ect
you must think what you are doing to me is worth your money time and what will heappen to your web site legally in short order once charges are filed - were gonna test that to the max
once i pay you have no other choice than get your own lawyer he will cost you to start
then cost you more \
and more winston money
I am going for the maximum possible for what you have done to me and my ability to produce income
my last gig was canceled because of your web site and i have proof
you could still pull everything you have related to me and an apology before i pay... but when i pay... my very specialized lawyer... to sue you then your choices are gone
when i pay him i will send you a copy minus the law firms name so we can come after you Full Force too the very limit of the law
and goggle mind set will get multiplied
i will ask my lawyer how i can return some of what you have done to me
google is a good idea that had sent my mind in thought
how
i can return to you what you have done to me
your new enemy
trainer of spiritual warriors of the light
i literally don't have time for (winston) this but i am making time too do this i am very serious once you looked into my eyes and i yours think of what i am capable of
and imagining that coming after you in a legal seance"
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WWu777September 21, 2012 8:31 AM
My response to him:
"WTF,
Man you are pissed aren't you? lol You should learn to ask nicely.
Dude, look at the facts. I know the law. You can't sue me. You have no legal case against me. Your threats are silly. Consider the following facts:
1. You can't afford a lawyer. Suing someone is very expensive. You can't afford it.
2. I live in Taiwan. You'd have to come here to sue me and you won't do that. US courts are not going to order me to come to the USA for a civil trial. They would only order someone back for a criminal trial, not a civil one. Thus, you have no power to bring me back.
3. You have no legal case against me. I did not libel you or slander you. I merely provided a blog in which others (your victims) posted ugly allegations against you. I'm not the one who posted those comments. Your victims did. You know who they are. Why don't you sue them? Or better yet, issue them an apology.
4. Under internet defamation law, a blogger is NOT liable for the comments posted by others in his blog, even if they are libelous. Look it up. I know the laws concerning the internet. Ask your lawyer. Tell me his name and law firm and website, and I will contact him for you. He doesn't have to contact me. I'll contact him, and have a laugh with him.
5. Hundreds of CEO's have tried to sue the site RipoffReport.com for damaging their company's reputation. Yet they ALL failed. NONE of them succeeded in getting the court to force RipoffReport to remove their name. If hundreds of CEO's fail, what can YOU on a tight budget do that they can't? LOL. Get real.
Your threats are silly. Why don't you ask nicely for the blog to be taken down? Why don't you issue an apology to your accusers on that blog? I didn't do anything to you except provide a platform for your victims to speak out.
Technically, you can't do anything to me. So please ask nicely instead of making silly threats. I never did anything to you anyway. I merely promoted you because I found you entertaining and amusing. I didn't know so many people would be making those allegations against you. Not my fault. You know who they are and why they are making the allegations, and you know it.
You are in Denmark now. How are you going to sue me exactly? lol
Ok show me evidence that your last workshop was canceled due to my blog. I'd like to see it.
Winston
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More examples of Schober's megalomania. Apparently he got involved with Benjamin Fulford (NESARA conspiracy theorist extraordinaire). Fulford's mistaken Schober as some kind of spokesman for all Natives.
Here you can read an article by Fulford where he notes Two Feather's support for an organization called the White Dragons:
http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/benjamin-fulford-5-22-12-time-for-china-to-stop-supporting-fascist-us-regime-and-turkey-and-the-apache-nation-to-the-rescue/
"…the White Dragon Society was offered support by William Twofeather, an Apache war-chief and spiritual war leader of the original native inhabitants of Turtle Island (…North America)…"
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Nauseating isn't it? Here's a video of an awkward "ceremony" where Fulford decides to give Schober a feather...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n530Z4O-NI&feature=youtu.be
Enjoy....
Superdog
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One of the Australian posters ( Latrodectus Mactans) in the comment's section on Winston's blog has just put up her own blog.
Pretty strong accusations in Winston's comments section as well as her own blog. She seems to be setting it up as a place for others who may have been victimized by him to get together. Just as a reminder....none of these accusations have been proven in a court of law and so these can only be classified as allegations.
http://williamtwofeather.blogspot.com.au/
Superdog
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A truly hilarious interview on television somewhere in Europe.....
Truly hilarious.....however....the part where he sniffs the lady's neck....a bit disturbing and awkward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ytGkmYsPy1o
And another on Serbian television....including some really bad flute playing....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bCoZ8nl0VGw#!
Superdog
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Because Schober has never been convicted or charged, it's something of a problem. Obviously if he has done this abuse he should be imprisoned. But many of the alleged victims are now adults. Statute of limitations have often passed. And that's on top of the very great trauma of asking the victims to relive the memories in order to get the abuser convicted.
Plus Schober bounces around from not just city to city but country to country. Schober, if he is guilty, may take an effort something like Gary Glitter's case to finally get him tracked down and convicted. What'd be needed would be getting a more recent victim or witness to the abuse to come forward and file charges and Interpol could finally track him down.
But until that happens, it's completely prudent to warn people to not let ANYONE claiming to be a healer to carry out suspicious "healing" involving nudity, mixed sweats, or claiming sex is a ceremony. Even a supposed healer hitting on his disciples should be a red flag, and groping, exposure, etc should be reason enough to not only stay away from them but slap them with the "lesser" sexual assault charges short of forcible rape.
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Skin tone/colour is a really unreliable way to determine ancestry these days, as myself and many other Métis can attest. If he is claiming to have ancestry then he'd better have the official documents to prove it - which he doesn't sound like he does - and even if he did, he sounds shifty as all get out anyways and should not be in a mentoring/teaching role.
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Schober's questions about his ancestry are directly attributed to two things:
1. The stereotypical Hollywood Indian archetype he uses to represent himself.
2. Public comments from several individuals who attest they are blood relatives (and who gave us his real name, Schober), grew up around him and confirm that his ancestry is German and Mexican and the "Apache" persona is completely fabricated.
Superdog
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Dear Educated Indian
Sorry...i can't figure out how to start a new topic... this is FYI and please re-post if you like.
Am attaching the front and back of this man's flyer... he is in my community now.
Am writing to let you know that the grandmas here will be discussing this with our mens side
because the last time he was here he hurt 2 younger people.... ( not our children, however i do not like when
anyone is taking advantage of people). My concern about this man is that one of the people he hurt - he claimed to be doing peyote ceremony with. The symptoms this younger person had after this so called ceremony....is nothing that i have ever seen with peyote...and very very bad. If he is NOT Mescalero or Jicarilla Apache...or any other indigenous Peoples of the state of New Mexico, nor belongs to the NAC... he can not be
giving these medicines to people and claiming "ceremony".
yesterday he disrespected one of our pregnant women, and gave his flyer to another
"new woman" in our community....i told her to stay away from him and give me the flyer. He is not traditional... if he was he would have known the "protocol".
Doubt he would ever be able to set foot on the rez... however the county that surrounds the rez
is where a lot of our intermarried peoples live...and the new comers that move here or are tourists
with no or very little knowledge that we actually have a culture that is off rez....get fooled by these types
of passers through that come to fleece "seeker" people.
Take care everyone.
Thank you for listening.
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Sometimes am amazed about how the "new age" movement of "no judgement" has created an apathy among people to have healthy boundaries or any discernment at all.... i think that spiritual tourism is founded in people having broken heritage and knowledge of the effects of colonization or very little cultural knowledge about where they came from, or who's cultural region they may be living in.....
So this is my correction, because we have names that are similar - the feather men are both claiming Apache heritage... so my apology for the confusion....
Greg Robs - in Taos jail at the moment, with priors in CA - "we hope he will go back to CA to answer
to his charges for inappropriate ceremony and stalking and womanizing"- anonymous community member.
D. Crowfeather is the man's name in regard to a "bad peyote ceremony"
This man does not advertise and he may be married and live in Arroyo Hondo
and is keeping quiet.
William Two Feathers aka William Schober - known womanizer and ?
He is all over our community at the moment.
and this is another awful report on 2feathers
http://williamtwofeather.blogspot.com/2012/10/william-two-feathers-shame-here-read.html
Please consider the grief that comes to any woman who speaks out about abuse and violence toward them...usually in the form of : you did did something to deserve it, you are a woman scorned, you must have been having an affair...etc etc
Also please consider that native women / women of color experience a higher percent of abuse, murder, etc..
Note this: no person "does healings", no one has a magick wand - healings are contingent upon a person's ability to receive healing - in whatever context they are able to innerconnect with the life energy to do so along with a lot of personal commitment to Self. Yes there are "helpers" - however they do not "Do it for you".
Personally do not care about the excuses.
Our community is watching, and aware. If he moves on will try to remember to let you know.
Take care everyone.
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Is this our guy?
Name: William Anthony Schober
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: 27 Mar 1955
Event Place: Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender: Male
Mother's Name: Ramos
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VG3Q-TXV (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VG3Q-TXV)
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Schober sent this long letter, the usual empty legal threats to sue, etc. This is completely unaltered except for the attachments not included. Typos and broken sentences are all his.
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Your suite has been a nemesis for many years
Now I will break my silence
William Two Feather
Reluctantly but I am who I say I am
And now I will prove it to those not fit to even know
So Be It
William Two Feather AKA William Schober
My Dad was Austrian blood line
and my Mom Apache blood line
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I just hope I am allowed to Post things
Like My DNA from Ancestry.com on My Native American Bold via science, Somehow I don' belie that will be permitted to tell the truth, because its not sensational Like words Like Fraud
I do not wish to pose my ceremonial stance in this world its private if your Org could possible respect such a thing?
you could say 1st amendment rights
and I call on the Law of Creator and The universe.
recognize such a humanly request to keep
my spiritual alter private as I rarely speak of that, Basically because its no ones business!
I been to Sundance many years as Eagle Dancer
and gave my flesh and blood
in a traditional sanctioned sundance
Have you?
I have sheets of word docks, Many More than here!
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I have written 5 books on Faith Healing ans Spirit
have you or any of my accusers or harassers?
and they are already published in other langues
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Juventud means youth
I teach Native American ways to all Spanish speaking cultures and countries and is already text book in Mexico at Alternative Schools.
& their are plenty more but I am making a ponit I can back up ever thing I say because Honor matters to me as a honorably Discharged USMC Vet says so
Why because to the Unborn, so they know of Native American ways
what do my accuses do to assist such dissemination of Indigenous Information and tradition so it dont get lost when I go 6 feet under ground gratefully
I wonder, they only condemn me, hate me and talk
very harshly of me.
Sheets (word Docks) of the Books I have written and Published in many languages
And published 6 Native CDs
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I was one of the 1st Voting members in The Grammy Music Awards! in The new native American catagory which took many years to finally accomplish
And lobbied hard with my Mothers inheritance to get a Native American category in the Grammy Music Awards
and was nominated in about 2001 as a top five nominees in the NAMMYS
With Red Medicine Dance
I have trained Healers on the world for decades spreading the good ways of Native American History gaining respect for our culture at my expense of My best years of life
given freely
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And photos from events that I have officiated over, never demand a cent,
Never turned anyone away from Ceremony for money ~ ever! Why is my car a 1998 if I made all that money? because only enough came in to get to the next place and so on and so forth for all my adult life and has not stopped me. i shop at thrift stores and am grateful to be able to do that.
I could have sold out for money so many times I cannot even count anymore. I don't t necessarily like low income but every dog has their day, I will pray and ask Creator for the truth and for whatever is right. I don't demand of the Universe but I can fight for sure.
I still do healing work and most over the last 20 years didn't even say thank you let alone feed me. Never stopped me and hasn't stopped me to this day. Over 60.
I have never turned any human being away from Ceremony
for money as I have been accused at your site and they never even met me.
and to get to Serbia and Australia it take airplane tickets transport food a roof so I accept donations never demanded ever!
Those who condemn me cant even walk to the liquor store and I don't drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes at over 60.
In an effort to establish the truth
Instead of Ppl who have nothing better to do
Than attempt to ruin someone’s life for what?
I have dedicated my adult life to help sick ppl & now I have to prove it because of a site like yours
I am sure your Org. Had the right intentions at the inception
But look at what your Org have done to countless people lives like mine.
There is a karmic force in place in the Universe
And I pray that the right thing come to the one who deserve such return.
And this is what I receive in return
Labeled a fraud by who?
For all my years of sacrifice, in service to others
Ppls who never seen my face.
How Would I post Proof like this:
Done by respected, Accolated Scientists?
Your Org allow anyone to say harsh words but what does your Org do to allow proof otherwise?
Like the given links below and attachments?
I don't really know much about blogs I guess that's what your Org dose is Blog?
Don’t get the sensational fix this way Huh telling the truth from Real source of pain and suffering over more than a decade?
Respectfully William Two Feather
http://www.item-bioenergy.com/rfi/EnergyTherapyResearch.pdf
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How would I post a 30 Minute scientific Organizations presentation of Scientific proof Like Noetics below? On your site ?
Of Traditional Native American Faith Healing
Like this Noetics Sciences *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Id_ErXmiiM&list=PLW_d9qXJz0v4eF1SojUZuY52bVWFbCCCG&index=3
Or other Researchers who command respect as top in their respective fields
like this * Attached DOCUMENT??
YOU CAN HELP DESTROY A MANS LIFE WORK
BUT WHAT WILL OR Can DO TO MAKE THAT RIGHT?
This science stuff cant be made up its easily referenced
Now That I have made it my business to show the truth lets see how your
site deals with this?
I reluctantly do this at the request of my Attorney
to fight back.
Attorney Kelley Joseph of Houston
I see as an Initial step:
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Reputations on the net have real value.
Now it is past 6 Am and another chunk of my life goes to your blog as in the years in the past when gigs I had painstakingly lined up with great sacrifice and effort get wind of your site and cancel the engagements.
you must realize your blog effects not only
Teaches and Ceremonial Leaders
but the ones who were deprived of me being in their country and ready to carry on the Teachings so many in the word cant get for reals just by real phonies and I came across
more that a few over the last 20 + years
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He really doesn't help himself. Noetics is a philosophy. He's actually referring to "noetic science" which is pure pseudoscience and Nuage gibberish.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Noetic_science
So is the quack bio-energy site he quotes.
https://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/gwyneth-paltrow-goop-nasa-23062017/
Karmic law? That's sure not Apache. Is he admitting to being Nuage yet again?
"Native American ways" with no mention of which tribe.
His DNA test attached, assuming it is his, shows "1/3 Native." How would that work? It more likely shows his mother was Mexican with lots of mixture really far back. And it's been covered a lot in this forum, DNA tests don't show or prove which tribe.
His alleged law firm does family practice and personal injury, not libel suits. Haven't heard from them, and no idea why he'd contact one based in Houston until I found this.
Seems he was arrested after he shot someone in a fight in Houston. He's been trying to get money for his legal defense on the new criminal charges. He claims self defense, the police didn't agree.
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https://www.generosity.com/emergencies-fundraising/two-feather-legal-fund
Two Feather Legal ‘Defense Fund’ ~ AKA Wm Schober, was attacked by a stranger.
At a strip mall parking lot / Houston. In self-defense, he was arrested and now faces felony Charges
ESQ Kelley Joseph, a Top Lawyer in Houston says: “If we go to trial This could take 4 to 6 Months” and $50K. The attacker sucker punched TF to the ground. While TF was attempting to get away to his car, the attacker proceeded to beat him severely. At 60+ years this was not easy to take. While half way in the car the attacker repeatedly slammed the car door into TF’s rib-cage, displacing and breaking 4 ribs, and dragged him form the vehicle. In concern for his life and due to the viciousness of the attack, TF reached behind the seat and got his registered handgun and shot the assailant in the leg {non-lethal shot} at point blank range. As a USMC Vet with an Honorable Discharge, TF asks;
Why shoot a total stranger in the leg under severe threat of life? Self-defense is the answer.
Imagine This...
Two Feather was going to a lecture on Angels. The fee was $25. At the front door is where the attack happened. TF’s Lawyer has advised him not to get into details, so for the sake of legal counsel, this is what can be said about the incident at this time: When the police arrived, TF’s comment was, “Thank God for the Houston Police Dept.”. TF was arrested. At the jail intake the medics noticed blood from the head wounds & said. A 2nd opinion was needed. TF was taken to St Joseph’s Hospital. The medical report stated “Chest & Chest Wall Contusions – Multiple Lacerations of the scalp & body. Multiple Fractured & displaced Ribs. Positive for neck pain with movement, pain at rest. Pain with breathing of the left breast, ribs and abdomen.
WHY?
TF says: “This is clearly a fight of Light VS Dark”. TF has prepared for the launch of a series of books entitled “The Book of Spirit” a collection of Light Workers Knowledge and Training. The launching has been set back and back mostly for personal reasons. The time is fast approaching now. To assist in the legal fees now involved, this project has been accelerated. At first TF thought the attacker was the enemy? Later, upon consultation with a Top Psychic, in another Country, the real enemy was identified with names. The ‘Demonic Archons’, a break off of “The Saturnian Cronian”, according to her. She asked her name to remain private, however the real 'Psychic Readers' mostly keep their heads low has been his experience, TF states.
Some day Two Feather believes a series of Esoteric Healing Schools will flourish the world wide {curriculum all ready set up}. Might be difficult to accomplish in prison. So please dig where the sun don't shine and say what it is...
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And it gets even stranger...Seems Schober shot him four times in the belly and chest, not once in the leg in self defense as he claims.
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http://www.ascensionwithearth.com/2017/06/super-soldier-duncan-ofinioan-vs.html
Super Soldier Duncan O'Finioan vs. Spiritual Teacher William Two Feather (Updated)
Updated - June 23, 2017
I received an email from Super Soldier Duncan O'Finioan this evening. He sent me his public statement which was not included in the initial article. Duncan sets the record straight on a show he did with Randy Maugans which you can view at this link here or watch the embedded video below. Mr. O'Finioan specifically linked to the 1:02:21 mark of the YouTube video about said events.
I apologize to Mr. O'Finioan as I did not see this video statement at the time of writing this article and present it as public record so we have a more balanced report.
Super Soldier Duncan O'Finioan
Website: http://www.duncanofinioan.com/
YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/DuncanOFinioan2
https://youtu.be/xU-16ATgJ2E
You just can't make this stuff up! So here is the story that is unfolding as of this moment.
Do you remember the recent report about Super Soldier Duncan O'Finioan being shot? On May 22, 2017, AscensionWithEarth.Com reported on this situation as we were all trying to figure out what had happened to Mr. O'Finioan. Randy Maugan reported that the facts of the shooting are as follows.
"Duncan O'Finioan was shot by an attacker Thurs. evening, May 18, at the Healing Center, where he was working, between 7:30 and 8:00 PM CST. He received at least four bullet wounds,none life threatening. He was admitted to a local hospital where he is now recovering. He is stable, talking, and in good spirits." ~Randy Maugans via Facebook
Super Soldier James Rink did a post concerning updates that William Two Feather shot Duncan O'Finioan but Randy Maugans said it was speculation and requested that James Rink pull the posting off of his website. James Rink complied with Randy's request.
Now we have new information about this shooting via Benjamin Fulford and looks like James Rink was correct in his reporting. Today on June 22, 2017, Benjamin Fulford released a public notice for his good friend William Two Feather. Below is Fulford's request for help.
"My good friend William Twofeather needs funds for trial after being attacked by the dark side. Twofeather stayed in my house in Tokyo for six months many years ago and I can vouch for his character as being non-violent and spiritual in nature."
There are lots of questions that need to be answered.
Why would Super Solider Ducan O'Finioan attack a complete stranger?
Is Duncan still under mind control from his dark cabal handlers?
If Duncan was under mind control, Duncan would be considered a victim himself as he was not in the right state of mind.
Why was Two Feather arrested if his claims of self defense is valid?
Why would Two Feather hire an esquire, an agent of the Crown to defend his case on Republic land?
Randy Maugans stated as fact that Duncan was attacked at a healing center, where as Two Feather states he was attacked in a strip mall parking lot. Who is telling the truth?
Was there an exchange of dialog before the attack happened?
Has Ducan O'Finioan made a public statement about this attack?
What motivation would TF have to attack Duncan?
What motivation would Duncan have to attack TF?
Now just in case you need a refresher about who Super Solider Ducan O'Finioan is and what he is capable of, I would suggest that you listen to an interview from Project Camelot. Kerry Cassidy and Ducan O'Finioan go into detail about his life as a mind-controlled super soldier assassin. Posted below are some quotes from Ducan O'Finioan and his video testimony about his super soldier abilities.
Duncan O’Finioan: This guy grabs me by the throat and I just snapped sideways, threw my hands palm down, just threw them down, and screamed inside my mind. The guys goes up and back. I never touched him. I looked over and there was George Jr. sitting at the bar with a secret service body guards, drunk as a skunk with the secret service trying to get him to calm down. Now that’s when I snapped awake. I don’t remember driving there.
Duncan O’Finioan: Like I said, we’re supposed to live in a civilized free society. We don’t. When they can walk in, take you as a child, turn you into a killer and then use you, abuse you, and when they are done, throw you away. It shouldn’t happen.
Kerry Cassidy: Were you an assassin?
Duncan O’Finioan: Yes, I was.
Kerry Cassidy: How did you assassinate people and what kind of people would you be assassinating? Do you have any idea? Were they people in war time?
Duncan O’Finioan: No.
Kerry Cassidy: Were they Americans?
Duncan O’Finioan: Some, yes. One, that I remember vividly because it was the last one, the last time I ever did anything for the government, was in D.C. and I put three rounds through the heart of a very high intelligence official.
Source: Project Camelot
This is a very strange case and find it interesting that these two men, William Two Feather and Duncan O’Finioan will be going to court especially with the background information that at least Duncan has attached to his personal legacy. Is it possible that the courts will entertain Duncan as a former mind controlled assassin? Will such personal testimony be allowed to be entered into a court of law? Why would Duncan O’Finioan want to pursue charges against William Two Feather with his self involvement with black ops programs and his claims that he has previously killed high ranking individuals? Is this a cry for help or an attempt at disclosure?
Again this is some crazy shiznit and would like to see how this plays out in the court of Admiralty Law.
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The man shot ("Super Soldier") claims he was defending a woman from Schober, who shot him first and then was disarmed and beaten by "Super."
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97819-The-Shooting-of-Duncan-O-Finioan-on-May-18th-2017
Atlas
Re: The Shooting of Duncan O'Finioan on May 18th 2017
Quote Posted by Kimsing Lacey, May 19th
You guys know Duncan O'Finioan, the super soldier guy? He was shot 4 times today. He's going to be ok. He disarmed and beat the man who shot him. Duncan was protecting the woman that was being targeted by the gunman, my friend Grendl. (facebook.com/stellardoor/posts/10212920360187093)
Quote Posted by NATE YPX GREY, May 20th
"Just what jason told me. Grendl (Maria) started a psychic tarot shop called Centerpoint in Texas. She set up shop and hired many people to help. She booked people to do lectures, meet and greets, and book signings. One of those was Duncan. He eventually stayed on there and was good friends with Grendl (Maria) and her husband, Jason. Jason explained to me last night that the shooter came to have a reading. Grendl put him off because he had a reputation of being a problem.
While the shooter was outside in front of the store Duncan saw that the shooter was pacing and had a gun. Duncan told everyone to get to the back of the building. He then went out to confront the shooter. The shooter shot 6 bullets and 4 hit Duncan. Duncan then disarmed the shooter and beat him with the gun. Duncan's wife ran out to help her husband. She sat on the shooter and held him down until authorities got there." -Kimsing
Source: http://supersoldierforum.ubbforum.co...01683816486981
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So.... spiritual ??? :o :-\
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Some discussion on our William Anthony Schober concerning a car accident: https://www.motohouston.com/forums/showthread.php?t=358293 Someone there posted info also on Schober's more recent assault charge, that is the source of the court image I uploaded here.
So we know his full name and birth date. He is listed as white.
That means his mother's birth name is Ramos:
Name: William Anthony Schober
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: 27 Mar 1955
Event Place: Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender: Male
Mother's Name: Ramos
(This info from familysearch.org, they now require a free account membership before records can be seen)
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I believe I found his parents:
William Schober, age 22, married Aurora Maria Morales 21 Aug 1954, Los Angeles CA. His parents Ralph Schober and Rose Morales. Her parents Hilaria Ramos and father unknown.
William Schober born in California, his parents both from Mexico.
Aurora Maria Ramos born in New Mexico, her mother from New Mexico.
Both William and Aurora listed white on this marriage certificate.
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Some past media clips:
Spring Creek Ranch near Jackson, Wyo., has rustled up a women's wilderness trip for June 16-22.
Called the Native American Spiritual Quest, the trek includes two nights at the ranch and four at a remote campsite reachable only on horseback, where Native American spiritual leader William Two Feather will help the group build a sweat lodge and conduct traditional ceremonies. The $2,165 fee covers accommodations, all meals and activities on the trail, horse hire and one dinner at the ranch.
Chicago Tribune; Chicago, Ill. [Chicago, Ill]19 May 2002: 12
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Finding strength in water; Opening day of Indian Summer Festival connects through traditions
Vendors also connected with the American Indian spiritual traditions surrounding water.
At the Santa Fe Outfitters booth, Apache musician and healer William Two Feather explained the meaning of stone Zuni fetishes, carved in the form of water dwellers.
"The swimming snake represents health. The turtle represents Mother Earth and tenacity. The beaver represents people who hold everything within them," he said. The fetishes are intended to bring spiritual power to the owners.
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel; Milwaukee, Wis. [Milwaukee, Wis]10 Sep 2005: B6.
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El apache William Two Feather compartirá a los regios técnicas de sanación tradicionales de Norteamérica y presentará su serie de tres textos titulada "Book of Spirit".
La asociación Rueda de Medicina, que promueve la tradición nativa, en coordinación con el Municipio de San Pedro, invitó a México a Dos Pluma, como él se presenta en español.
"Mi especialidad son los huesos. Es sabiduría tradicional nativoamericana", explica Dos Pluma, quien radica en Nuevo Mexico. "Mis profesores me dijeron que debía estudiar (sanación) 10 años, curar 15 años y cuando acabara, enseñar a profesores y escribir libros".
Sus maestros, dice, le dijeron que era su responsabilidad redactar sus conocimientos, pues aunque la tradición nativa norteamericana pasa de padres a hijos de forma oral, actualmente muchos adolescentes indios parecen desdeñarla.
Durante su presentación, Dos Pluma tocará la flauta y también participará el grupo regio Huasteca Viva. La cita es hoy a las 20:00 horas en el Centro Cultural Plaza Fátima. Entrada gratuita. Mayores informes: 1365-5900.
El Norte; Monterrey, Mexico [Monterrey, Mexico]14 Sep 2010: 13
Machine translation for part of this:
Apache William Two Feather will share to the regal techniques of traditional sanación of North America and it will present its series of three titled texts "Book of Spirit."
The association Wheel of Medicine that promotes the native tradition, in coordination with the Municipality of San Pedro, invited Mexico to Two Feather, as him he/she shows up in Spanish.
"My specialty is the bones. It is wisdom traditional nativoamericana", he/she explains Two Feather who resides in New Mexico. "My professors told me that he/she should study (sanación) 10 years, to cure 15 years and when it ended up, to teach to professors and to write books."
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Schober's court case is coming up in 10 days. His GoFundMe for his legal defense disappeared. He made bail. Either he's made a lot of cash as a shame on or there are people who chipped in a lot.
Listed as white. He's facing 2-20 years for aggravated assault deadly weapon. His atty issued motions trying to suppress prior history and character, including aliases. There's also a motion to suppress Schober's confession saying it was coerced. Finally there's over two dozen subpoenas for witnesses, including several from out of state. This includes one who was videotaping, though it's not clear if the shooting was taped.
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Case 155209101010 - 3
File Date 5/19/2017
Case (Cause) Status Active - CRIMINAL
Offense AGG ASSAULT W/DEADLY WEAPON
Last Instrument Filed Felony Indictment
Case Disposition
Case Completion Date N/A
Defendant Status BOND MADE
Bond Amount $30,000.00
Next/Last Setting Date 5/21/2018
Defendant Details
Race/Sex W / M
Eyes BRO
Skin MED
DOB 3/27/1955
US Citizen Yes
Height/Weight 5'06 / 150 LBS
Hair BRO
Build LGT
In Custody N
Place Of Birth CA
Address
Markings
The Current Presiding Judge
Current Court 185th
Address 201 CAROLINE (Floor: 12)
HOUSTON, TX 77002
Phone:7137556362
JudgeName Susan Brown
Court Type Criminal
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Schober's court case is coming up in 10 days. His GoFundMe for his legal defense disappeared. He made bail. Either he's made a lot of cash as a shame on or there are people who chipped in a lot.
My bolding in the quote. That would be this:
https://www.generosity.com/emergencies-fundraising/two-feather-legal-fund
Two Feather Legal ‘Defense Fund’ ~ AKA Wm Schober, was attacked by a stranger.
It's now at this URL: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/two-feather-legal-fund#/
"Two Feather Legal Fund william schober. 1 Campaign |. Galveston, United States. $9,325 USD 175 backers. 18% of $50,000 Flexible Goal. THIS CAMPAIGN IS CLOSED" — All the rest is already quoted by educatedindian.
I tried to find more about his trial, but could find no news items and no official references. Instead I found three e-mails quoted at a conspiracy site:
https://benjaminfulford.net/2017/11/25/two-feather-says-pray-please/
Two Feather Says ~ Pray for me Please
ByBenjamin Fulford - November 25, 2017 - 8 Comments
Two Feather Says ~ Pray for me Please
Now goes to a jury trial after 6 months, for false charges from the “Dark Side.” Hanging over his head is 10 to 20 years in a Federal Penitentiary. This is a final request to those who have compassion for this Native American Healer and Spiritual Adviser to be able to continue these services to the World.
Such Teachers are Diminishing.
Please donate your compassionate contribution to compensate his Lawyer, who is tops and deserves to be paid.
Any Donation Will be Accepted with Great Gratitude. An E-book can be sent to you when they come out soon, as a thank-you.
At generosity.com Two Feather Legal fund
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fMvjTcdeUw
This $50 Thousand dollar ‘Bill’ can be hit by small & well-intentioned contributions from the “World” ~
“Thank You Very Much,” says Two Feather, and Many Blessings. Please make a difference.
Bless you, Ben, and Thanks for your backup; it really made a difference.
AHO TF
https://benjaminfulford.net/2018/02/10/two-feather-hot-water/
Two Feather is in hot water
ByBenjamin Fulford - February 10, 2018 - 2 Comments
Greetings Ben:
Hope all is well.
I am in a hot spot with my lawyer.
For the first time he’s asking for money.
The endorsement you gave a month or two ago went really well.
This is not a forever story.
In a few days we go to trial with a jury.
Really men like me–Light Workers and Elders–are getting fewer and fewer by time.
When we are a thing of the past, what then?
I have vowed to be in service to “The People.”
If ya could just one more time post a short video on your site.
That would be the last time I can ask such a favor; it will be over.
I am so indebted to you already.
It’s been 6 long months, for defending myself.
Here is the link:
https://www.generosity.com/emergencies-fundraising/two-feather-legal-fund
(https://benjaminfulford.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/th-300x157.jpg)
Two Feather Legal Fund
Support ‘Two Feather Legal Fund’ by donating or sharing today!
The court date is:
Feb 12, 2018 at 9 AM
Judge Susan Brown
Harris County Criminal Court
201 Caroline Street, 12th floor, Room 185
Houston, Texas 77002
Be there on time, as seats go fast. I get there an hour early and go in the building as soon as they open the security check, then wait outside the courtroom.
Two Feather supporters, wear a red arm band, left arm, above the elbow.
This Trail should take a couple of days for anyone who would show up to support in person.
AHO, Two Feather
aka William Schober
P.S. I have four inventions to cure thyroids, pancreas, knee replacement, and Alzheimer’s, ready to go and a backer close.
It’s a relief to see some of the Shadow Government getting close to charges!
February 11, 2018
Thank You, Ben!
The contributions are flowing in and well received. I am just so Grateful.
They’re regular people, individuals who do what they can; those who give from their hearts to assist an Elder & Traditional Teacher are so appreciated. It’s moving to see and be a part of.
When the Traditional Native American Healing & Spirituality books come out, every single donating person will get an eBook for sure. All emails are being recorded just for that. The books will come out this year, 2018.
The masses, standing up for something that makes a difference in the world.
I have been in the lawyer’s office all day getting ready.
And Sunday as well = tomorrow
Then Monday is show time.
My team is ready for a fight.
And fight they will get.
With a capital F.
AHO, TF
https://benjaminfulford.net/2018/05/28/william-twofeather-found-not-guilty/
William Twofeather found not guilty
By Benjamin Fulford - May 28, 2018 - 11 Comments
The following email arrived from William Twofeather:
AHO!
Finally, the truth as seen by 12 jurors who saw all the evidence.
The jury leader said to the lawyers, “This is an embarrassment to the Houston Police Department,”
…and rightfully so.
They also said, “This should never, never have gone to trial.”
Thanks for your prayers and support.
AHO!
Two Feather
I cannot see the comments to these posts. Probably they are visible for logged-in paying subscribers only.
So we have his own words that he was found "Not Guilty"? Can this be verified? And then what happened?