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General => Research Needed => Topic started by: Olderthandirt on February 07, 2009, 06:00:37 am
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I live in Langley on Whidbey Island, WA. The locals here have their knickers all atwitter about a fellow named John Sanchez aka Iron Eagle. Here is how his flyer reads:
Iron Eagle, a Chief of the Yankton Nakota Sioux - the Ancient Stone People -
Seventh generation treaty signer
Spiritual healer
Sun Dance Leader
Practitioner of the Seven Rites of the Sioux.
will give a talk on the Life Way of Being
and holistic healing
Sunday, Feb. 8 from 1:00 to 5:00 PM.
at Living Green - 630 2nd Street in Langley.
Gifts and donations will be gratefully accepted.
He also has told locals that he dreamed he must start giving Grandmother Teachings in the Lakota Way to women.
My shackles are raised and red flags are flying and snapping in my face. Has anyone heard of him???
T Blue
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too bad I did't have time to plan for this I'd have driven up and checked him out in person.
wasn't Iron Eagle a movie??
(i'm gonna behave and not make a snide suggestion about he should meet WEMF and they'd probably be a happy happy couple.)
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If people are concerned I would suggest contacting Robert Cournoyer. The last I knew he was tribal chairman and he could put them in contact with the culture committee, elders, etc who could answer any questions about this man's right to do ceremonies and authenticity. The Yankton culture center and museum do sell printed flyers about the 7 rights, etc. but I don't think they promote outside marketing. But I can't say for sure, as I'm not from there.
Yankton Sioux Tribal Offices
Marty, SD 57361-0248
Phone (605) 384-3641
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My husband knows of him. Many years ago, he met Sanchez in Denver, then back in Marty. Sanchez is from Marty, SD but he used to live in Albuquerque. Back in South Dakota (Lake Andes) it was told that this fellow was doing "ceremonies" in Albuquerque. My husband laughed to hear that Sanchez claims to be a ceremonial leader. Apparently, he does not speak the language.
My husband has relatives in Marty and Lake Andes. We'll be sure to pass on the news that this self-proclaimed "chief" and "Sun Dance leader" is doing this in Washington.
Any chance you could scan a copy of the flyer and post it here?
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Long time since I heard about Sanchez! He used to be around her, Kitsap Peninsula, talking trash about white people and dragging his pregnant white wife around, being supported by her daddy. He hooked up with some people I know and was running sweats there on their land. Some really strange ideas there! Anyway, all sorts of people would come to their house for sweat and John would meet them in the driveway to "greet" them. Turns out, he was collecting his fee! This was in the mid 90's. They finally got clued in on him when he had them convinced to take their then 13 year old daughter to South Dakota to learn---are you ready for it?---" The Holy Way of the Lakota Shawl". Uh, ok. Yeah, so this girl, she is 1/4 Apache and blonde and he is going to take her to SD with him... People started calling the parents up when they heard and saying "ARE YOU NUTS?" He left then, when on to other victims. One year he ran the sundance at Mount Hood and told a decorated veteran, 4 time sundancer, Lakota man, that he could not touch the pole because he had "blood on his hands." They ran that Sanchez off from Mount Hood after that. So now he is up on Whidby? They don't have enough goofballs of their own up their?
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goofballs and and a few other things.
Wonder how those military papa's and mama's would like to meet him if they knew he tried to take a 13 year old out of state..
Too bad he's not closer to enumscratch.. could drag him out to a red and black ant nest and stake him out on it.. rofl..
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Hey, a really big thanks to everyone for finally jogging the cobwebs in the attic of my memory system. I KNEW there was some sewage from the past concerning him and, yes, I DO remember hearing of the " The Holy Way of the Lakota Shawl" and the young girl incident. GAW!! (I remember asking Grandpa Noah Long Crane just what that shawl ceremony entailed!!)
I moved from Enumscratch to Whidbey. Dang! I did not know anyone from here lived there.
I am going to attend the whing dingy thingy tomorrow with John Sanchez and will snap a pic and see if I can record some of his balderdash. I will need a big dose of anti-nausea meds but I maybe can last for a few minutes.
I mailed the flyer off to Charlie Sitting Bull and Bob Red Elk in Arizona. What I posted in my original post in italics is copied and pasted from the flyer and I will check to see if I have a pic of him still on my phone.
I will contact the Yankton Tribal numbers to get further info. Somthing that seems just a bit odd to me is the fact that he claims to be Yankton NAKOTA. I may be way off base on this, but all of my Yankton peeps are DAKOTA and they are suprised stunned to hear of NAKOTA. Please, someone, anyone, correct me if I am in error.
Why, I mean WHY would a "Chief" feel the need to teach Grandmother Teachings!!?????
I do have a pic of him and as soon as I figure out how to post a picture here, will do so.
T Blu
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You knew Grandpa Noah? It was his son that was disrespected at Mt. Hood by Sanchez. It was Tomas and Shelley's girl that Sanchez wanted to take to SD. Some day I will tell you a funny on Tomas. ;) Or maybe 3. ;D Snchez came to the Kitsap Indian Center Bopard meeting wanting to "teach" all us ignorant beings. Disrespected several elders including "Mr. Bill" who is about the same age as Grandpa Noah. What an arrogant fool that Sanchez is.I think he wants to teach woman's stuff for bad intent. I don't believe it was altruism that led him to try and take Shawna out of state.
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this guy is sounding more and more like a real dweeb.
That ant hill staking is sounding better and better.. there was a big one along the kent black diamond, 4 feet high, about 6 feet across.. (smiles sweetly)
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Can I watch?? ;D
But seriously, why don't any of these dumass nuagers ever THINK?? I mean, they just except obviously stupid stuff! (And I am not talking about Tomas and Shelley, that is a whole 'nother story) I mean, some of these frauds and questionables and sell outs have some really bizarre story and not one of their idiot followers EVER asks about the obvious!
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I'm not sure all are 'followers' as that they believe what they are told or have no one to check with that may go hmmm wait a min..
others are at probably where they want to believe what they want to believe..
and yes you can watch will have to be quick those lil red and black ones are nasty lil buggers.. rofl
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They don't think, because they are "dumazz", and the the Aura and Splendor of it all just takes their breath away.
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Debbie,
Yes, I knew and loved Grandpa Noah for YEARS. Used to take him out for his favorite meals at the Yankee Pot Roast restaurant!!! Even drove him to a few powwows. I sat with Grandpa for hours learning from his stories, or, taking my challenges to him for help in seeing the answers.
OMG!! Shelley and Tomas's girl Shawna .........keeerap, how could I forget these things (oh, it's called "senior moments!")
Well, this dude caters to the non-ndns and it is a known factor that the nons think it is SO romantic, etc to be with an Indian. Reminds me of a group of brainless lemmings!
Sort of shades Roy Wilson, Walks With Thunder, etc, ya think?????????????
GAW!! I just want to run some strong smelling salts under these gullibles noses.
I am going to listen to rusty birdy and then I will ask him to describe, for the rest of those attending, the "The Holy Way of The Lakota Shawl!"
Thank you all for your helpful responses. My friend is taking his lap top to show the NAFPS website for anyone interested in learning the real truth.
T Blu
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Debbie,
Did you mean Robert Long Crane was disrespected by Sanchez?? At the Mt. Hood Sun Dance?
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Bear with me as I am trying to post the picture of Sanchez from his flyer:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh313/Turquoise_Tiki/JSanchez.jpg
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Yeah, it was Robert. At the Mount Hood sundance. I am friends with his ex-wife, Lois, and his current wife, Linda. But it was Rikki and Jake that told me what Sancez did to Robert. Robert's mother, was just the best! She was always so happy to see me. I have always liked Robert and when I heard what was done I was furious.
The picture is definitely the jerk that was around here. He was up on the peninsula, around Forks and PA before he came around here. I heard he was run out of Seattle.
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AHA!! OK, just to show how far out of the loop I am, The last I knew Robert and Linda had chosen to split up as Robert had moved in with Gayle, the mother of the twins as everybody at the powwows called them.
That is dispicable beyond description of what Sanchez did to Robert. I am an Associate member of the Vietnam Veterans of America and I would have personally stomped his chicken-shyte azz into mud had I known.
I would love to know about Tomas Baisa. Years ago, used to be friends with Shelley and Tomas. Saw them at all of the local powwows. Those old powwows that used to have Noah's Boyz drum with Ron Otstott, Reuben Vargas, Garrett Evens, etc. Back when the winter powwows were Mason, Chief Leschi and Muckleshoot and the first competition powwow of the season was always started off in March at the Chinooks Winds in Lincoln City, Oregon.
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Here is a photo of him at the thingie today:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh313/Turquoise_Tiki/JSanchez-1.jpg
I was SO BORED, I was counting ear hairs in the guy sitting next to me.
He started of by saying he was the "Chief of his Nation.....a spirit leader." Then very quickly and very very quietly he said he was the Chief of his extended family. These words were glossed over quickly but my guy & I heard them loud and clear. All of the non-ndns were inhaling his every word.
He then went on to tell about his very own Yankton family signing the treaties. Next came an extremely LONNNNNNG story about the Buffalo Calf Woman. It was so long and I was SO bored, I preferred to have been picking stinging nettles with my bare lips.
For some reason and perhaps just name dropping only, he brought in Arvol Looking Horse's name.
He then stressed rather defensively that he felt every person on the face of this earth has a right to any and all of the Lakota ceremonies and he would tell all to everyone.
Next came a talk about the 7 medicines and the 7 illinesses which segued into a very serious aside that he knew that the end was upon us really really soon and that it will be an anthrax type of scare. He told all that the end was coming SOON and all must prepare for it at once.
He told about the sweat lodge and at the same time that he knew who his children were before they were born; and that son #1's name was North Star and #2 was Lighting Strikes Twice. Said his own name of Iron Eagle was given to him so that he would remain standing to go forth with the news of ceremonies, truth and G.mother teachings. (I nearly wet myself from swallowing big gulping giggles!)
As he got into the "Naming,adoption ceremonies" I got up walked to the front and took his picture and walked out. By this time about fifty per cent of the 20 people there had left. My guy had nearly fallen asleep and I had resorted to trying to name in my head, all of the songs I had heard that started with "S" from my childhood.
He spoke very softly so no one could record what he said. It was said that he will be available on the island for a few weeks and that the coming week he would be taking "his story" to the schools. I shuddered and we could tolerate no more and left.
Whidbey Island is small and I am in so many organizations that he cannot hiccup without my knowing. So, I will stay with this and keep tabs on this dude.
Meanwhile I am either going to email or telephone the Yankton Tribal Hdqtrs to see if I can verify his authenticity.
T Blu
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Bummer almost wish I'd driven north.. then done my dipshyte airhead act on him rofl.. or can you speak up i can't hear you...
but if half the people left, he must have been REAL exciteing.....(roll eyes)
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"wasn't Iron Eagle a movie?"
Mr. Sanchez may be faking his way through life. However, the name Iron Eagle is a real Dakota name.
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its also a movie.. not sure which he's getting or snitchng the name from.
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Gayle and Robert only were together for a coupla months. He and Linda been back together for a long time. Tomas and Shelly, have lots of grandkids. Gayle is in Oregon. I work with one of the twins. Robert and Linda and Tomas are likely to be at Stan Purser Pow wow on Feb 28th as Claudia McGrady is coming out from Newtown, ND with a bunch of vets. Tony passed away. :(
Sanchez is such an arrogant jerk. But it seems the arrogant ones are the ones the nuagers go for. Never understood that, but oh well. I was told once it is a cultural thing where the person bragging themselves up comes off as confident. I just see them as braggy.
So half the people left? ;D I guess his career as a hot shot shameon is not getting off to a bang up start.
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When I was a kid my grandma and uncles would absolutely humiliate us if we started bragging. It was absolutely forbidden to talk about yourself or puff yourself up. You were supposed to have cousins who were responsible for that, and of course you would do the same for them.
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just got this from a friend at Pine Ridge / pretty much says it all
I have heard about this Iron Eagle person, and I contacted the Yanktonian Tribe, and they told
me that he is a fake, and that if he was home, he would have already been thrown out of the Tribe. The
people form that tribe are trying their best to keep the language, culture, and their philosophy alive, so they
expressed that they would not do such a thing to jeopardize their existence. Especially with their youth.
It's to bad that there has to be people like him who are trying to destroy the culture as well as the sprituality
of the people. I would probaby attend one of his lectures and see what he has to say. True medicine men
would not try to abduct young girls and women for their own use. I know my uncle would never even talk of such things.
He has sweat ceremoniew every weekend but never asks for anything and is very careful about who takes part. This just
makes us so sad. But my uncle says it will be back on this awful man.
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I was talking to a friend last night, they seemed to recall a sanchez coming out of that aztlan group, they couldn't recall a first name. could be the same person could be someone else. but either or they are frauds.
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I just got an email from someone that told me that Sanchez is actually Sho Ban. I don't know if it is true, but I do remember that when I first met him he did not say he was Lakota.
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From May 2011
Iron Eagle is guest speaker at Unity
Iron Eagle will give the talk “The Nakota Way of Life: Being a Good Relative” at the Unity of Whidbey service on Sunday.
Iron Eagle (translated from Wambni Maza) is a traditional Nakota Sioux Chief and pipe carrier from South Dakota. He has practiced traditional ceremony and medicine ways for more than 30 years. In response to the ecological and social crises we find ourselves in, Iron Eagle is keen to share the Nakota way of life and will offer a spiritual message with special music as a part of the Unity worship celebration.
Donna Vanderheiden will serve as platform assistant. All are welcome.
Visit Unity of Whidbey’s website at http://www.unityofwhidbeyisland.org for more information.
http://www.southwhidbeyrecord.com/community/121814948.html (http://www.southwhidbeyrecord.com/community/121814948.html)
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I have read this discussion of John Sanchez and am wondering if anyone has more recent info on hid validity. He has approached me about buying my property and I would love any feedback about him. We are in an early stage of negotiations and I would like to know how much to believe him. He wants to buy it to build sweat lodge and have a healing center and grow & process medicinal herbs. He claims to have access to funding and tribal backing.
Any info and help would be greatly appreciated.
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Unless he's changed a lot, I would not trust him. Oh, he no doubt would put up a sweatlodge. And he would figure out how to get money out of people to come in to his lodge. He was quite the con artist before.
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He seems to be going by Frank Sanchez too:
The free event will feature songs and stories from host Frank Sanchez, Chief Iron Eagle.
Josette Hendrix, founder and director, said this event is groundbreaking for the center. The program has offered many language camps for children, but this program is made unique by Sanchez.
He is the last principle headsman for the Yankton Sioux Fire of The Great Sioux Nation and a traditional spiritual leader for the Yankton Nakota people. Sanchez spent time in Japan before and after the nuclear disaster in Fukushima.
http://www.southwhidbeyrecord.com/community/219474751.html (http://www.southwhidbeyrecord.com/community/219474751.html)
Chief Iron Eagle is the last principle headsman for the Yankton Sioux Fire of The Great Sioux Nation. He has taken on the indigenous responsibility of protecting the sacred by working for treaty rights for 30 years. Chief Iron Eagle is also a traditional spiritual leader for the Yankton Nakota people.
http://www.symbiosisgathering.com/academy/ancestralarts/chiefironeagle/ (http://www.symbiosisgathering.com/academy/ancestralarts/chiefironeagle/)
Chief Iron Eagle (Frank Sanchez)
http://www.nwic.edu/event/we-act-annual-indigenous-service-learning-gathering (http://www.nwic.edu/event/we-act-annual-indigenous-service-learning-gathering)
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/frank-iron-eagle-sanchez/34/a53/83b (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/frank-iron-eagle-sanchez/34/a53/83b)
TATE OMANI CORPORATION in Nevada, Frank Sanchez director http://nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/CorpDetails.aspx?lx8nvq=vKUkCqd9f4kRGWvFXs0d%252bw%253d%253d&nt7=0 (http://nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/CorpDetails.aspx?lx8nvq=vKUkCqd9f4kRGWvFXs0d%252bw%253d%253d&nt7=0)
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I think the confusion here is that these are two different John Sanchez's being discussed.
One is John Sanchez, Yankton Sioux tribal member and the other is John Sanchez, Sho-Ban/Ute who lives in Oregon and whose sister Tawna Sanchez is an Oregon state legislator (http://www.tawnasanchez.com).
The latter, Oregon-based Sanchez is the one associated with the Mount Hood Sundance as is his sister.
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The Sho-Ban Sanchez may be the one who stole some ceremonial items from the late Julius Murray, a Ute spiritual man who passed away 16-17 years ago. His family has recovered some items, but they also want the pipe back that he stole from the old man and Sanchez apparently refuses to return it.