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General => Research Needed => Topic started by: debbieredbear on November 22, 2006, 04:39:56 am
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This was posted on some of my groups:
"This is an outward plea for information concerning a
woman by the name Of Tamara Madison, aka T
Runningwolf, aka Warrior T, aka Rolling Thunder. This
woman lives in Ga. and has been causing quite a stir
since she moved there. She claims to be::: a Vietnam
vet, POW, (no record on the POW Network), a carded
member of the Montana Blackfoot, a Grass Dancer, Drum
Keeper, Drum Matriach, Teacher, etc. She has been
caught lying about people she dislikes or do not like
her or follow her, she is trying to discredit other
veterans, this includes a retired Marine Corps. Col.
She shows disrespect to elders, women, men, it makes
no difference. She has been uninvited to various pow
wow's in Florida, Georgia, Alabama. We are gathering
as much info as we can to either take her in front of
an elders council or to leave the southeast. Any
information that anyone may have, good or bad, please
email it to me so that it can be passed on.
sgi
Mark Davis"
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I think several people are looking for info on her. I know some vendors that do PowWows in Alabama and Georgia, so let me check with them. frederica
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I know T Runningwolf real well. But why are you talkin about 3 different people. I know her as 1!!!!!!!!!!!!! She is not a Georgia a resident and she does not Dishonor anyone at a pow wow,instead of wasting her breath they are nonames to her!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This was posted on some of my groups:
"This is an outward plea for information concerning a
woman by the name Of Tamara Madison, aka T
Runningwolf, aka Warrior T, aka Rolling Thunder. This
woman lives in Ga. and has been causing quite a stir
since she moved there. She claims to be::: a Vietnam
vet, POW, (no record on the POW Network), a carded
member of the Montana Blackfoot, a Grass Dancer, Drum
Keeper, Drum Matriach, Teacher, etc. She has been
caught lying about people she dislikes or do not like
her or follow her, she is trying to discredit other
veterans, this includes a retired Marine Corps. Col.
She shows disrespect to elders, women, men, it makes
no difference. She has been uninvited to various pow
wow's in Florida, Georgia, Alabama. We are gathering
as much info as we can to either take her in front of
an elders council or to leave the southeast. Any
information that anyone may have, good or bad, please
email it to me so that it can be passed on.
sgi
Mark Davis"
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I was asked to post the questin. *I* am not talking about anyone. However, there may be a person using your friend's name. Or that someone else has a similar name.
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This is what I found:
Wolf, T Running
aka T.S. Running Wolf - Walks with Thunder
aka Tamaira Ayers
aka Madison, Tamaira S
10/2006
12/2006 FL http://www.lightstreamers.com/TS_Running_Wolf.html
T. Running Wolf is the Great Grand daughter of Chief Crowfoot of the Blackfoot Nation who signed Treaty 7 with Canada and the US.
Ms. Running Wolf is also known for her Native American Indian Education Programs and her role as a Head Lady at Traditional Pow Wow's.
"A published poet, a highly skilled artisan and educator, with a teaching style as unique as it is engrossing."
She is also a 25 year US Air Force POW Veteran. Special Assignment Congressional Wing.
To date she is an active member in the Woman's Warrior Honor Society, and the Veteran's Honor Society
She is a Volunteer in Education Programs for Youth and Teachers in Public and County Schools teaching cultural native arts made with all types of mediums from stone to bones. ...
There is also a rumor that she won the Medal of Honor, which I know to be untrue unless she is very very old and was known as Dr. Mary Walker. Whether or not she is the source of the rumor I do not know.
She is to be back in our area for a POW WOW in a nearby park and will dedicate a veteran's monument then.
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http://thundering-spirit.tripod.com/SpecialExhibits.html
Remembering Always
Veterans Memorial
386-931-1783
available for any show or Pow Wow
TRunningWolf-Walks with Thunder
25 year US Air Force POW Veteran
Special Assignment 459th Congressional Wing Air One
tnativeproud@yahoo.com
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Claims POW for 90 days, captured with others.
http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies1095.htm
I do not know who they are talking about here , Who is this person they are talking about? :-\ Weheli
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http://thundering-spirit.tripod.com/SpecialExhibits.html
Remembering Always
Veterans Memorial
386-931-1783
available for any show or Pow Wow
TRunningWolf-Walks with Thunder
25 year US Air Force POW Veteran
Special Assignment 459th Congressional Wing Air One
tnativeproud@yahoo.com
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THOSE CLAIMING MEDAL OF HONOR
NOTE: In 1996 HLI Lordship Industries (at the time, the OFFICIAL USG contractor for the Medal of Honor) admitted selling THREE HUNDRED unauthorized medals for $75.00 each from 1991-1994. They were fined $80,000. NOT ALL of those medals have been recovered. Offenders in possession of an unauthorized medal can be arrested, fined (up to $10,000) and jailed (up to a year). It is the only military medal that CANNOT be bought, sold, bartered, traded, collected, auctioned, exchanged.... EVERY Medal of Honor is awarded by act of Congress. Less than 150 REAL Medal of Honor recipients are alive today.
The names listed in the next pages have made VARIOUS or multiple claims that cannot be substantiated or have been proven FALSE.
Weheli
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That is a site that investigates false claims for MOH and POW's. All he says is that it is "rumored" she won the MOH. He is talking of an investigation, but has no proof. They have exposed quite a few people who have made false claims. Whom ever he is talking to tell him to get information and get back to him. That was in Dec 2006. I remember the posting asking if anyone knew her. I know some vendors that do Pow-Wows all over the Southeast, including Georgia and they have never heard of her. I never could decide what that was about. frederica
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Who is this person they are talking about? Weheli
That's what the person, Mark Davis, was trying to find out. Is there two people by this name? Or just one? But I have to tell you, one of the WORST frauds in my area uses the name "Walks With Thinder." But this is a he and he claims to be a "heriditary Caddo shaman." But He can't pronounce Caddo correctly! LOL!
But back to the one here, on the thundering spirits site. Obviously there is a lie there because she is claiming something that has been checked out and found false.
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Well, the site says this about her:
Unless her real name is Melissa Rathburn-Nealy or Maj Rhonda Cormum or Crystal L. Rickett she was NOT held as POW during the Gulf War.
She was NOT held as a POW during the Vietnam War - esp with the USAF!
And:
01/2007
NO MILITARY RECORDS FOUND
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Yes, no military records. Unfortunately or fortunately for some the building burned, and it is a common used reason. Would be most unusual for the Air Force. frederica
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Wylaela, perhpas you could help us out. Getting indignant isn't much help either way. What has happened at these powwows, and where is T Madison at instead of Georgia?
I tried searching a while back and didn't have much luck. So far what this seems to be is either someone claiming to be a wartime vet who wasn't, or someone who has attracted rumors for some reason. Without more information it's hard to know. And that is why we still have this under Research Needed.
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T Runningwolf is from the Blackfeet Nation in Montana. There are 2 in Montana. You can't get any information about her (If you know anything about Tribal Law) She never claimed POW. Her squad was captured for 90 days. She was on another asignment at that time. Her military stadus is classified. She is a very Honorable woman. All the bad things that have been posted about her is false, because she called out a few people on the way they were doing "TRADITIONAL"POW WOWS. And since when is a little girl alowed to dance MAN dance?
Wylaela
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Then maybe she needs to correct some of the websites that are out there. I really don't care myself, I just posted the question asked by someone else. And thanks for giving us another side.
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I agree with Debbie. The Thundering-Spirit-Family website leaves no doubt to claim. She needs to have them take it down. They probably misunderstood. But it states she was assigned to Andrews AFB and a 25 year USAF vet and POW. As far as POWWOW go, you just need to check these out first. I've seen a female Grass Dance, she was Choctaw and did mostly expos. I seen a Drum walk off as the PowWow was going to let a woman vet carry the flag. You just have to be select when attending SE PowWows. A few are good, some actually stink. It just depends how commerical it is. frederica
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Tamaria is in Ringgold, Georgia on the Georgia/Tennessee line. Infact she was on the local news tonight....http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?action=post;topic=934.0;num_replies=13
The woman lies as easily as most breath.
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she is a very good person
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I am one to stand and watch things unfold...there is much more to this situation than just one side. WE each are accountable for our actions...but I have watched this unfold for a few years in regard to Ms.Runningwolf. There is a big difference in calling someone on their stuff and a all out verbal attack...
I have wondered why Mr. Davis is beating another dead dog...live in a bit of peace and let others do the same!! Things come full circle...could be Ms. Runningwolf...or Mr. Davis. I seem to remember hearing about an attorney's letter for slander and it was not against Ms. Runningwolf. It is to easy these days to call others on their "stuff" based on OUR almighty opinion.....we need to remember that one is no better than the next....the lessons are just different.
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It seems as though Ms. Madison's friends and/or followers are here in force. It might help their case (and hers) if they actually said something besides snide irrelevant self righteous remarks, or unproven and extremely vague claims (She's a good person).
Could you tell us what you know of her personally, and show us any proof you have that the complaints against her are false?
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Question; Is there actual proof that any of what has been posted here is indeed truth regarding to
Ms Runningwolf? Is there any truth/proof that it is false? Since when do we totally have the right to be judge and jury....no one knows who is actually at the key board typing what!
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Once again, it would help both your case and hers if you actually said something besides a rude unrelated rant that is close to being spam and/or trolling.
It also would help if you bothered to read before going on your rants. This thread is under Research Needed. So far we've received very little information to say one way or another about Madison, and you don't help her by avoiding the subject.
And again, if you'd bothered to read, many of us are quite open about who we are offline. Unlike you.
So let's please try starting over. Tell us who you are and what you know about Madison.
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First, I do not rant and rave, my words have not been cruel or damaging, I HAVE NOT attacked anyone but instead made simple, CALM statements and been from a place of truth. Who am I? I am just a human being that can make mistakes, maybe more, maybe less than most, I guess that would depend on who you would ask :) I am an elder, a Sundancer and have taught Traditionalism in the SW. I am no one...a human being like you, taking one day at a time, doing the best I can do and trying to be the best I can be.....NOW moving on....there was a posting by a Waylaela...She Ms."T" IS a vet...her military record IS closed to the public.....she has native family in the US and Canada. One of the verbal attackers was addressed a few years ago with a legal presentation of "slander" and backed off quickly, they are on this site..... No Ms "T" is not perfect by any means but then who is?? She talks to much, she can be loud, get on your nerves BUT if I needed my back covered she would fit the bill!! I do have a problem with someone that continues to haress others, lies and torments. And yes it looks like a lawsuit is pending or in the works. Am I a personal friend of hers? NO. Have I met her?...YES....Enough said. Let's move on to something positive! Cedar down for you all, may your fire be warm and your prayers strong!
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OT, sort of:
I am an elder, a Sundancer and have taught Traditionalism in the SW.
No disrespect, and I'm not trying to invade your privacy here, but you should know that we've seen a lot of anonymous people come here and claim to be "elders". I don't know about you, but for me, when people on the Internet call themselves elders without saying who they really are, or even what Nation they're from, it sets off red flags for me. I really don't know much about Southwest cultures (I assume that's what you meant by "SW"), but I thought only Plains nations have the Sundance. What Southwest nations have a Sundance tradition?
she has native family in the US and Canada.
Again, this is usually a red flag when people don't name specific Nations.
I'm still confused about whether we're talking about one person, or multiple people here. If these inquiries were being made about someone who is very private, it would be one thing. But once someone puts themselves forward in public as some sort of leader, it's legitimate to ask who they are and where they're from. And when someone claims to be an elder, it's relevant to know which group of people named them such, or whether it's self-proclaimed.
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That was part of the original problem. No one could ever figure out if it was the same person on 2 to 3 people. It looked like there was more than one.
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Yes, there are Sundances in Co...NM...AZ....TX...(Many of your Plaines Nations migrated back and forth in certain areas)... an there was no offense taken by your words. I am what I am and I say that with all/much humility. None of us here actually "know" who we are speaking with. We are all on guard in some manner or we should be!...lol. All we have to go on is a few letters on a white piece of paper...If you have been to Sundance you will know that many nations now come together even if it is in the Dakotas'...WindRiver area, Navajo country....there will be many nations represented from all over...you should know that. It is sad that we cannot talk without pointing fingers and questioning every word spoken by the other because it doesn't sound "indian" enough.
Have a good evening...
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Fredrica...I think there are 2-3 people in the confusion regarding Ms. Madison/TRunnningwolf.
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According to a couple of Native Viet Nam vets there are no Native American women POWs from any war, nor any MOH
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I am curious and unsure what is being said here. Is this person saying that there are two “Blackfeet nations in Montana? If so, they are incorrect. There is one Blackfeet Confederation in Montana with the tribal Offices in Browning, Montana.
At the time of first contact the HBC called everyone living in the Niitsitapiskaku (Blackfeet/Blackfoot Territory) Niitsitapi. The Niitsitapi are Ahpikuni (Peigan), Southern Ahpikuni (Montana Blackfeet), Ahkainah (Bloods) and Siksika (Blackfoot).
Today the Confederation is comprised of 4 groups, Pikuni (Peigan), Northern Pikuni (Northern Peigan) Kainai (Bloods) and Siksika (Blackfeet) –
Also, I have studied quite a bit of tribal law, and first and formost it is not universal. Choctaw statues are not the same as Blackfeet/Blackfoot or Dine’. Every nation sets (within certain limits) their own laws. For many nations enrolment information is public access. I do not know what the rules are for the Blackfeet, but I do know the tribal attorney and can find out rather quickly if anyone is interested. I have worked with Red Crow College in Canada, it is one of the only non-US tribal colleges, and know the woman there who is one of the cultural teachers, and also is a granddaughter (they don’t usually use the great-great add-on) of Red Crow. Perhaps she will be able to clear this up and verify Tamara credentials.
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The POW network site points out there were only three women POWs during Vietnam (she's not one of them) and no female MOH winners. The wing she claims to have been assigned to never heard of her and they had no such "special assignment." Claiming "it was all classified" is what many phonies hide behind. Anyone who was given a classified assignment knows better than to brag about it publicly.
There are phony "Sundances" in Texas run by Mary Thunder and co, but no legit ones I'm aware of. It could be there is one which they choose to keep very quiet. But the closest to Plains tribes in Texas today are tribes now in Oklahoma, like Naishan Apache and Comanche. Maybe of the recognized tribes you might call the Kickapoo a Plains tribe...but that'd be a stretch even in the past, and certainly not now at the TX-MX border.