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General => Non-Frauds => Topic started by: educatedindian on July 05, 2007, 06:11:42 pm

Title: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: educatedindian on July 05, 2007, 06:11:42 pm
This thread, plus the section on the front page, will list all the groups NAFPS has worked with and all the sites that use us as a resource. Thus anyone wondering whether to believe the rumors being spread by spiritual exploiters and frauds can come to their own conclusions.

Groups and individuals that NAFPS Has Worked With, Including Those That Are Members of NAFPS and Other Activist Groups

American Indian Movement Chapters:
AIM Arizona
AIM Indiana
AIM Support Group of Northern Kentucky/Ohio
MASSAIM
New England AIM

American Indian Heritage Support Center
CERTAIN
Honor Nation
ICARE
Iron Lodge (Native Prisoners Support Group)
Our Red Earth
Red Road Collective
Albuquerque Indian Center (NAFPS members toured Europe on a speaking tour to raise funds for them.)

Native Issues Supporters in Europe:
World In Our Hands Foundation
Fourth World
NANAI
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: educatedindian on July 05, 2007, 07:14:24 pm
A google search shows us listed at nearly 5,000 sites as of July 2007. Some of those sites are duplicate, or are for the National Armed Forces Pension in Europe.

The number of sites that recommend us is truly a nice sight to see. It seems so many people have been helped.

Sites that list NAFPS as a resource, work with NAFPS members, or whose members recommend NAFPS, in alphabetical order:

AllExperts.com
http://en.allexperts.com/e/s/sh/shamanism.htm

AmericanIndianPrisoners.com (Native Prisoners Support Group)
http://www.americanindianprisoners.com/Pages/Al%20Carroll.htm

Americas Indigenous People, New Age, and Cultural Appropriation
http://www.stelling.nl/simpos/native_americans.htm

Anthropik Network
http://anthropik.com/2005/10/neoshamanism-is-masturbation/

Blog Critics Magazine
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/03/24/094810.php

Blue Corn Comics
http://www.bluecorncomics.com/stype3af.htm

Care 2 Make a Difference
http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=10787&pst=773492&archival=

Curanderismo Research Project
http://www.ojinaga.com/phoneyshamans.html

Dakota Lakota Singing
http://drumhop.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.pl?board=BSA&action=display&num=1108616601&start=46
http://tinyurl.com/25ky4y

DBPedia.iorg
http://dbpedia.org/page/Shamanism

Do No Harm (Anishinaabe Activists)
http://www.donoharm.bravepages.com/OctoberActions.html

Reviewer on Ebay
http://tinyurl.com/37ppmf

Engler Refugee's Homepage
http://www.geocities.com/englerrefugee/

Guru Ratings (Provides Warnings on Dangerous Gurus, Kind of a Hindu Version of NAFPS)
http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Ratlinks.htm

Health on Health
http://www.healthonhealth.com/Health-Reference/S/Shamanism

Indian Religion Beliefs
http://www.winzy.com/keyword/Indian%20Religion%20Beliefs

Internet Infidels Discussion Board (Skeptics Society)
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-7950.html

Issues Affecting American Indians in Tennessee
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=199489;article=16531

Journical.com
http://www.journical.com/article.php?q=Shaman

Kisikew Wiki, Indigenous News
(From 2007 to as late as June 2010. Then apparently a friend of the site's moderator Annie Childress or Totiake going by the ID of Dualbuster came to NAFPS.

Dualbuster claimed to be the Great White Savior of the Hopi. He also endorsed a fraud who calls herself Mary Summer Rain. Based on that, the KWIN site withdrew its endorsement and claim we engage in "unethical behavior".

That so called "lack of ethics"? Posting what someone has on their Facebook page. But apparently Dualbuster's being an imposter does not bother Ms. Tiotake. And more disturbing, she endorsed the libel put out by Nuage exploiters and white supremacists about NAFPS. Talk about naive...or poor research.)

Ladyhawk's Hogan
http://groups.msn.com/LadyhawksHogan/ndnissues1.msnw?all_topics=1

Lakhota.com
http://www.lakhota.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=2693

Library of Library.com
http://libraryoflibrary.com/E_n_c_p_d_Plastic_shaman.html+nafps

Native Culture Links
http://www.nativeculturelinks.com/general.html

NativePeoplesTribes.net
http://nativepeoples.tribe.net/thread/cbdbb78b-b006-4c95-a68f-ab3e6b46a199

Native Youth Magazine
http://www.nativeyouthmagazine.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=61

OccultForums.com
http://www.occultforums.com/archive/index.php?t-19575.html

PeakOil.com (Conservation board)
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic14491-0-asc-75.html

Planet Twinkie
http://www.geocities.com/planettwinkie//Links.html

PrisonTalk.com
http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-142879.html

Raising Our Collective Voices (Native Woman Activist)
http://windthruherhair.tripod.com/fightback.html

Red Road Collective (Anishinaabe Women Activists)
http://www.geocities.com/redroadcollective/Books.html

ReligiousForums.com
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-19940.html

Saponitown.com (Geneology Forum)
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1734&page=3

Six Nations Reclamation Info
http://www.reclamationinfo.com/phpBB2/

Snopes.com (Urban Legend Debunkers)
http://msgboard.snopes.com/message/ultimatebb.php?/ubb/get_topic/f/21/t/001116/p/1.html

Tutor Gig Encyclopedia
http://www.tutorgig.com/ed/shamanism

Waldorf Critics
http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/archives/WCA0401.html

Wayshelter
http://wayshelter.com/CulturalDirectory/Kitchen/Learning_Respectful.htm

Ironically, given how much I've personally criticized Wikipedia, they speak well of us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAFPS

Wikivisual
http://en.wikivisual.com/index.php/Plastic_shaman

Yahoo Answers
http://answers.yahoo.com/

Many Pagan sites, whose members often mistakenly fell for Nuage exploiters, have turned to us as a resource.
http://pub21.bravenet.com/forum/1732203021/fetch/339064/
http://www.duluthpagans.com/readings.asp
http://www.mysticwicks.com/archive/index.php/t-71208.html
http://www.spiralnature.com/magick/tradvsneopagantotemism.html
http://www.wiccanweb.ca/wiki/index.php/Plastic_Shaman
http://www.collegewicca.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=67&PN=1
http://thevalley.ukpagan.com/lofiversion/index.php/t12418.html
http://www.magickaschool.com/forum/viewtopic.php?=&p=31938
http://www.druidry.org/board/dhp/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15953
http://www.ttem.org/forum/index.php?topic=783.0

Future work is needed to cover sites not in English that recommend NAFPS.

[Admin note: Edited to fix broken links and shorten some needlessly long URLs.]

Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: Moma_porcupine on July 06, 2007, 12:25:38 am
It is hard to name individuals as they or their relatives are likely to be harrassed as educatedindian and his family have been . But here is a few more links to Native run organizations and / or websites that supoport what is done here.

A long list of articles and proclomations asking for help in stopping the abuse of native culture can be found in the  below

http://web.archive.org/web/20051215184610/users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/articles/index.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20051215184610/users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/articles/index.htm)

There is also
http://home.aihsc.info/ARMO_fraud.htm (http://home.aihsc.info/ARMO_fraud.htm)

links to
NAFPS Forum - Dedicated to identifying and exposing frauds and exploiters of Native cultures and traditions.

Main page says they are American Indian Heritage Support Center founding voluntary board members are federally enrolled Shawnee, Kiowa, Cherokee, Muscogee-Creek, and Menominee.

The purpose and specific objectives of our organization is to help preserve the varied histories, cultures, and sacred traditions of the American Indian people


http://www.geocities.com/ourredearth/ (http://www.geocities.com/ourredearth/)

The Official Website Of Our Red Earth Greetings...and welcome to the official website of Our Red Earth, a forming non-profit (501c3) organization concerned with First Nations issues, civil rights, and human rights.

One of the pages on the site connects to this website  ;

http://www.geocities.com/ourredearth/plastic.html (http://www.geocities.com/ourredearth/plastic.html)

Here are a few more native run message boards that link to NAFPS
Cherokee message board which links to NAFPS on it's welcome page .

http://groups.msn.com/Americanindianpeople/rules.msnw (http://groups.msn.com/Americanindianpeople/rules.msnw)

One of several threads which speak in support of NAFPS on a Mi'kmaq message board

http://groups.msn.com/TheMikmaqRoom/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=7543&DDir=1
 (http://groups.msn.com/TheMikmaqRoom/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=7543&DDir=1)
A message board run by Native people which lists NAFPS as a resource for dealing or learning about Cultural appropriation and wannabes:

http://nativeamericanvoices.forumup.org/post-522-nativeamericanvoices.html (http://nativeamericanvoices.forumup.org/post-522-nativeamericanvoices.html)

Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: educatedindian on July 06, 2007, 01:47:08 pm
Two members of AIHSC are also members of NAFPS. My oversight. And NAFPS began because of discussions at the old Our Red Earth yahoo group. I've corrected the first list.
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: Skully on January 14, 2008, 01:47:02 pm
Too bad that the Red Road Collective is run by a single delusional woman (Fox...Jane Redfeather Hall), a known fraud who was posing long-time on Indians.com as a Native woman with a stolen picture on her profile.

Turns out, she is an old white woman pug breeder.  He husband was exposed as covering for her. Both are gone from Indianz in shame.

BTW, their website disappeared overnight.

Interesting.
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: educatedindian on January 14, 2008, 02:09:46 pm
You think they "disappeared overnight"?

Interesting.

http://www.geocities.com/redroadcollective/

That shows them being around for at least fourteen years.

Actually I never heard of Jane Hall. Marie Blacklodge Myers was the one I spoke with most often, but there were about half a dozen other young women, in their teens and twenties when NAFPS first met them five or six yars ago.

Sure you don't have the confused with someone else, or maybe Hall was just pretending to be one of them?
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: Skully on January 14, 2008, 03:13:41 pm
Nope. I call BS and I stand firm on this one.
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: earthw7 on January 14, 2008, 04:25:38 pm
I would like to add that I use this site
for my tribe and also give the information
to many tribal elders from the Dakotas.
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: Skully on January 14, 2008, 06:23:32 pm
I would like to add that I use this site
for my tribe and also give the information
to many tribal elders from the Dakotas.
I must add then, I do not rely on the internet to hip anyone to anything about Indians.  If they have to ask, then they don't need to know.

Can you point us to a live link for the Red Road Collective? It was working just fine last PM.
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: earthw7 on January 14, 2008, 07:42:52 pm
Hey Paulie don't be mean??

I use the site to let people know what their relatives are doing in
Europe or other places.
Many of our people marry white women or go to Europe
and become Instance medicine men or they say they have
been adopted by someone in our tribe.
I turn the information over to the different tribal families.
When you live on the rez you tend to know what is happening
at home and you never know that people are using your family
name on the net or across the water.

I am not a part of your personal fight with Al, please don't
bring me into it.

I find this site beneficial for me and my people.
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: Skully on January 14, 2008, 10:33:41 pm
I hear ya! Do you have a live link to their site?

Hey Paulie don't be mean??

I use the site to let people know what their relatives are doing in
Europe or other places.
Many of our people marry white women or go to Europe
and become Instance medicine men or they say they have
been adopted by someone in our tribe.
I turn the information over to the different tribal families.
When you live on the rez you tend to know what is happening
at home and you never know that people are using your family
name on the net or across the water.

I am not a part of your personal fight with Al, please don't
bring me into it.

I find this site beneficial for me and my people.

Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: Ingeborg on January 14, 2008, 11:23:12 pm
I hear ya! Do you have a live link to their site?

Same as mentioned above:
http://www.geocities.com/redroadcollective/
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: educatedindian on January 15, 2008, 03:01:11 am
Doesn't seem like your BS meter is working too well Paul. A book from an academic press (Oxford) makes reference to them, and Paula Giese seems to have thought they were legit. I wonder if you confused RRC with a group of exploiters they went after for months, Sweetgrass Lodge.

http://books.google.com/books?id=-CAphDNATLAC&pg=PA247&lpg=PA247&dq=%22red+road+collective%22&source=web&ots=z4J2xf6Z3A&sig=w3uHDSiulxKTRyOliDcs-zRbjgI

http://www.indigenouspeople.net/migstory.htm

The SGL were middle aged white women posing as NDN, pseudo enviros and pseudo feminists who set up their own "clans" and got pretty vicious when criticized. RRC went toe to toe with them for a good half year. The oldest members of NAFPS remember that, because SGL did everything they could to try and intimidate us and shut us down too.

Also seems like the RRC got into it with some white feminists.

http://michfest.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=28347&sid=43ebb90b6d933c6eea605a13ed2721b9
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: sunka nunpa on August 02, 2009, 10:06:08 pm
That's an amazing list, Al.

Wikipedia started out as a good idea, but there's stupidity. However, if you want a Battlestar Galactica episode guide, they're the place to go.

My general rule? If it sounds like the Force from Star Wars, but it doesn't have a dark side, it's probably New Age.
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: educatedindian on October 23, 2009, 11:15:24 pm
We've gotten a flood of letters complimenting us and thanking us after a number of news reports used us as a source on the sweatlodge deaths in Sedona. Also many requests for investigation, and a single piece of hate mail.

Here they are, locations left in when known but no names included.

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Inyo CA

Hello,

[Long description of encounter with fraud omitted]

Good luck with your work,

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I was reading that terrible article about the sweat lodges and people dying, came upon your website and wanted to send a quick email.

What a pleasure to see this website! I have been sick for years about the kind of crazy workshops I have seen people run- charging huge amounts of money for things that they clearly know little about and
amazed at people 's willingness to pay that money. Healers and teachers not equipped for these roles at all.  Then, here and there, I have been lucky enough to meet the "real thing" -

Thank you

----------------------
Nutters

Sir,
I am staggered that so many people ,some professional, still fall for the trickery of the week-end shamans and other New Age gobbledygook. When will they ever learn.
 
[name omitted]
U.K

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good work, good site

I'm an anthropologist (Pacific Islands) and I applaud your work.

--------------------

Great to see your site...
...which was linked to in the NYTimes, after all those people died in that idiot's sweat lodge.

Keep up the good work!

[name omitted]
Portland, OR

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Just found your site after reading about James Arthur Ray and what happened in Sedona.
I just wanted to say thanks for putting this group and website together.  It is very encouraging,
and keep up the good work.

I am not Native American, but have a strong respect for the different Indian cultures of our country.
I do not claim to have been Indian in a past life, and do not aspire to become more spiritual by taking part
in rituals which may or may not be authentic.  I do feel the guilt, being a US citizen, for the unjustices that have
been committed against Indian tribes in conjunction with our countries history.  And finally, I hope that the authentic Indian Arts, beliefs, and cultural practices are preserved and that punishment be dealt to people like J.A. Ray so that future incidences are prevented.

Thanks again for the good work, and I look forward to the new pages on the site being developed.

-------------------------

Keep Up the Fight!

Your website was a very informative source, providing everything from the Forum to links to newspaper articles.

I am a white, retired attorney very supportive of NAFPS's opposition to fraudulent operators, and a life-long advocate of the native spiritual ways.

Today's New York Times article [http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/us/22sweat.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&th&emc=th]    made it obvious your work is necessary.  I hope you keep up the fight as long as fraudulent operators are at work.

[name omitted]
   Stevens Point WI


Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: educatedindian on November 06, 2009, 02:52:22 pm
The list of sites that used us as a resource vs exploiter James Arthur Ray keeps growing. So far:

NY Times (freelancer John Dougherty)

Chicago Tribune (reporter Daniel Simmons)

CBS News- Early Show (reporter Elizabeth Bacelar)

WNYC Radio- The Takeaway (producer David Fazekas) request for interview, unfortunately I was busy teaching at the time.

Anderson Cooper 360 of CNN (producer Ismael Estrada) same as above

People magazine (reporter Howard Breur)

Arizona Daily Star http://regulus2.azstarnet.com/blogs/senorreporter

NY Travel Writers Assn http://nytwa.info/edwetschler

Rodale magazine http://www.rodale.com/deaths-sweat-lodges?page=0%2C1

Body + Soul magazine http://www.wholeliving.com/
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: educatedindian on January 06, 2010, 09:32:15 pm
We've gotten a couple of nice compliments in the mail and another magazine is using us as a resource, Dreamcatcher magazine online which is Native owned and run with a Hopi publisher.

Also one Native Hawaiian group and a Jewish man.

---------------------------

Thank you for your work! We are fighting the same fight with Huna books and people who say they are teaching Native Hawaiian traditions. I found you through an article in the New York Times. Blessings to you.

Makana

Makana Risser Chai

author of "Hawaiian Massage Lomilomi: Sacred Touch of Aloha"
recipient of the Hawai'i Tourism Authority "Keep It Hawai'i" 2008 Award
for authentic portrayal of Hawaiian cultural traditions
www.LomilomiBook.com

editor of "Na Mo'olelo Lomilomi: Traditions of Hawaiian Massage and Healing"
from the Bishop Museum
http://www.lomilomibook.com/namoolelobook.php


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Shalom friend,

I love your site!  As one who has been very interested in Native American culture I am glad your site exists!  I feel for you, just like our Torah has been bastardized by Christians and has led to the death of millions of Jews and Native Americans, I try my best to correct the ignorance people have of Native Americans.  Both of our religions were nearly wiped out repeatedly in the past, and now crooks are trying to do it from within to both of us (see Messianic Jews for example).

Jews and Native Americans share all to much in common and I stand by you brothers and sisters!  Shalom and may your site bring light to others who are trying to destroy that which you hold dear.   For a Jew, a spiritual holocaust is worse than a physical one, for we rather give up our life than give up our sacred beliefs and traditions.

-Vladoianu

Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: 04-2106-johanna on January 07, 2010, 01:39:37 am
i want to personally thank you for your input on the az sweatlodge deaths under national, at indian country today. reading the comments there i found this site.  I have a AIM question but don't want it public. how can i ask you without putting it on the board?
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: debbieredbear on January 07, 2010, 02:45:07 am
You can PM Al, Educated Indian by going to his profile.
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: educatedindian on April 01, 2010, 02:32:54 pm
Got this nice message.

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Your site inspired me to write an article; enjoy!

"The Fine Line: Between Partnerships and Plunder"

 - Robert Animikii Horton, Anishinaabe, Rainy River First Nations
 

 Many of our generation, partnerships built and cultivated and maintained across once great ethnic and cultural divides and boundaries, speak and aspire to ideals; the ideals of circumstance, progress, and improvement in days ahead where the fires of justice extinguish the dark dusk of inequity. However, those placing value and promise on the benefits of future partnerships and collaborations across the cultural and racial rifts to create and shape a world that yields most painfully to change may continue to find, upon these lands and abroad, both the intentional (and unintentional) sabotage of the wondrous mechanisms found in shared aspiration; in which this sabotage is Theft.

 

Let us reflect and apply the legacy of memory; the multigenerational bandit mask (not of heritage but of conduct of character) has been passed to a successor numerous times; Indian Agents wore the cloak of thievery towards our traditional means to govern, the Churches and Residential Schools stole our children and family legacies, the Federal and Provincial powers continue to seek to plunder our traditional territories, and modern times reveal a pilferer functioning in the same light as the suit and the black robe; appropriating the most sacred of what we have left and what each past malefactor sought to take; culture.

 

Today’s thieves, whether they realize or not, have assumed duty to finish what those that came before started; to appropriate, to exploit, to steal, to acquire, to minimize, and capture a sacred culture; for personal, obsessive, or profiteer reasons.

 

The issue of "culture-vulturing" and cultural appropriation remains a strong issue of ethics, decency, and injustice; likewise a matter where such exploitation continues fanning the flames of mistrust within a great number of our People across the ethnic line; stifling progressive partnerships of many due to the unsavoury greed of a few; both greed of capital in exchange for “plastic shaman” services and personal opportunism and ego due to inadequacy, lack of moral compass, or the vain wish to be reborn within an objectifying obsession and fascination.

 

The same suits and black robes of yesterday are those that adorn bandit masks in the eyes of many today; the self-absorbed tie-dyed hipster invading ceremony, the New Age appropriating "Shamanic Healer", the swank “visionary” self-promoting himself as an elder and a majestic, the fraud without roots but claiming self-styled wings as he who is called “Dreams of Eagles”, the profiteering non-indigenous self-nominated “vision quest guide”, and those that live out their romanticized fantasies by minimizing a People and a culture down to the jewellery one makes and sells, the “Indian at heart” they claim as a “should have been”, or the sports team logo upon one’s chest. It is not limited to these examples, but facts are facts;

 

Thievery is thievery.

Appropriation is appropriation.

Exploitation is exploitation.

Minimization is minimization.

Objectification is objectification.

Frauds are frauds and facts are facts.

 

Meaningful partnerships are based in respect, integrity, ethics, and trust.

 

We all deserve such and a future based upon such ideals. If we truly collectively wish to close the divides born of rooted mistrust, efforts must be undertaken and responsibility assumed to uproot the continued mistrust by separating the past victimization and thievery from the present and a future of more of the same. The grave-robbers of yesterday are those that pilfer the mounds of memory today for personal gain. If memory and continuity of culture equates survival; than the clumsy digging of open-pit mines into the sacred by the selfish is a significant disrespect to the very survival some wish to unjustly cling to and drain from.

 

Such flagrant opportunism minimizes another People and culture; minimizing much from the respective levels of sacred cultural autonomy of protected foundations for our future generations of our People; down to the parallel of mere Halloween costumes which sacred ceremonies, teachings, and cultural affinity can simply be worn by the self-justified, the ignorant, the most well-intentioned, or those that claim they do not know any better.

 

It is my contention that it is not only a slight against our ancestors, against our true spiritual leaders, and against the cultures that are pilfered by such characters; but against our Nations, as well; as the very foundations of our Nations, our culture and spirituality, are undermined and trivialized by such.

 

And again, mistrust caused by few eviscerates much promise of personal and collective investments towards many seeking effective partnerships and valuable progressive relationships; potential is lost.

 

So exploiters, exploiting due to personal obsession or profit; If you truly value progressive partnerships and work towards a more just society for all, built of integrity and respect for many rather than the betterment of few; then hang up the delusion, the illusion, and the thievery, Plastic Shamans. Plunder Divides Partnerships. Culture vultures, stop picking the bones of ancestors clean, because one who appropriates for the reason that they “love the culture and respect the Native”; neither loves or respects the exploited any more than the pornographer loves and respects the actress.

 

No matter how one justifies or pacifies;

 

Exploitation is exploitation.

 

Facts are facts.
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: educatedindian on July 23, 2010, 02:33:01 pm
Bit of an update, new sites that now use us as resource in addition to those listed above. It's an incomplete update. I only used those who came up in the first ten pages of a couple searches, but that still numbers 76 new sites. Some of the foreign language sites I couldn't tell what they said, either positive or negative, so I didn't include them. But we show up in sites in German, Swedish (?, not sure), Thai, and some kind of Slavic language with Cyrillic lettering.

Really good to see us used on the official Cherokee Nation website and in university sites including a professor's religion course.

http://www.abc-directory.com/site/2639304
We’re listed in it as a resource for surviving cults.

http://archaeologica.boardbot.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2121&start=15
Archaeologica

http://www.answers.com/topic/medicine-man
Answers.com

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2314817/the_shamans_of_sedona.html?cat=68
Associated Content

http://www.pusinsuyu.com/voixautochtones/html/ressources.html
Autonomous Voices, seems to be a Native issues support site in French

http://jonn.co.uk/garymannion/modules/news/article.php?storyid=51
Bad Psychics

http://barrysblog.freedomblogging.com/2007/12/05/weekend-warriors-trivializing-native-american-traditions/
Barry's Blog

http://www.bandia.net/caorann/
CAORANN, antiracist Pagan site

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=4652&pst=99803
Care 2 Groups

http://centralflorida.cherokee.org/Links/tabid/1655/Default.aspx
Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma official website

http://thecirclenews.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=206&Itemid=39
The Circle, one of the oldest Native newspapers

http://www.citizendia.org/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
Citizendia

http://www.computernewbie.info/wheatdogg/2009/05/11/a-sad-curious-tale-of-rampant-duplicity-and-stupidity/
Computer Newbie. Then James Mooney comes on to defend himself, and gets taken down by a couple members.

http://chrysalis1witchesjourney.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/rambles-about-cultural-missapropriation-and-community-involvement/
Chrysalis Witch, arguing against cultural appropriation

http://en.cyclopio.com/Plastic%20shaman
Cyclopio

http://sites.google.com/site/dehaluyi/americanindianfactsforeuropeans
Dehaluyi

http://www.druidry.org/board/dhp/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15953&p=181711
Druid Grove

http://blogs.myspace.com/emer_wolfrider
Emer Wolfrider

http://plantspedia.org/info/NAFPS
Ency of Plants

http://www.enotes.com/topic/Cultural_appropriation?print=1
ENotes

http://www.evocationmagic.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2652&p=26171
Evocation Magic, Pagan Site

http://files.meetup.com/166515/Shamanism.doc
Files Meetup

http://www.freebase.com/view/en/nafps
Free Base

http://gnuuu.blogspot.com/2007/12/i-found-interesting-website-today-nafps.html
Musings from Xavier Ashe, a post-catholic shamanic humanist existentialist pantheist that recently became a Lay Minister at the Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Atlanta.

http://halrager.org/WordPress/2009/10/
Hal Rager

http://www.hanksville.org/sand/intellect/newage.html
Hanksville is one of the oldest resources for information on Natives.

http://www.homecircle.info/LinksNA.html
Home Circle

http://www.examiner.com/x-21776-SF-Longevity-Examiner~y2009m11d2-Be-your-own-best-guru-for-healthy-longevity?cid=exrss-SF-Longevity-Examiner
Houston Examiner

http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2004/01/i_am_working_on.html
I Speak of Dreams, teaching site

http://www.jackmtn.com/simplog/?p=133
Jack Mountain, Survival Training Instructor with zero tolerance for Nuage nonsense.

http://www.uga.edu/religion/syl/2004rk.pdf
Professor Russell Kirkland, Univ of Georgia instructor in Religion, uses us as a resource in his course Introduction to Religion in Native American Cultures.

http://users.skynet.be/kola/ipfagenda.html
Kola, European support for Peltier

http://culture.kosmix.com/topic/Inipi
Kosmix

http://www.leaftine.com/docs/leaf_thesis.pdf
Leaftine, a performance artist, referencing us in his master’s thesis.

http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/011748.html
Making Light

http://www.freewebs.com/manyrivers/page3.html
Many Rivers

http://www.maoliworld.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2011971:BlogPost:196711
Maoli World, Native Hawaiian Blog

http://www.startribune.com/local/44755337.html?elr=KArks:DCiU1PciUoaEYY_4PcUU
Minneapolis Tribune

http://elizabethtool.com/page/96/?archives-list&archives-type=months
Once Upon a Time in the West, nice comments on us.

http://natube.magnify.net/messages/view/FRNSBMJY7K8V9BMG
Native American Tube

http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/indians_rage_over_mtv_show_JZzh5RqoeNTkmPEHxCIJWK
New York Post. Calvin Tatsey is complaining about us in the comments section, and ironically others are defending us and mocking him.

He's also accidentally "helping out" AIM that way, and making himself look bad.

http://www.myspace.com/ndnspiritualthiefs
NDN Spiritual Thiefs

http://www.nonfluffy.com/archives/2007_12.html
Nonfluffy Wicca

http://forums.plentyoffish.com/5043566datingPostpage2.aspx
Plenty of Fish Forum. Dating site that uses us as a resource in their Religion section.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=RationalWiki:Websites&redirect=no
Rational Wiki

http://www.realitysandwich.com/shamans_and_charlatans_assessing_castanedas_legacy
Reality Sandwich

http://www.republicoflakotah.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=479
Russell Means's bunch.

http://www.religionexplorer.com/top/Opposing_Views/New_Age/Chats_and_Forums
Religion Explorer

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/native-american-dir/93403-lakota-spirituality-exploitation-issue.html
Religious Forums

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,77450,81497
Rick Ross, one of the leading cultwatch sites. Nice compliments about our work against James Ray.

http://righthealth.com/topic/Inipi
Right Health

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=23259&start=0
Rigorous Intuition

http://blogs.democratandchronicle.com/business/2010/02/09/safeguarding-against-new-age-fraud/
Rochester Democrat, local newspaper

http://www.powwows.com/gathering/native-issues/30327-exposing-fake-medicine-men-women-5.html
If you don't know the site, where have you been?

http://newagefraud.wordpress.com/2010/07/02/shaman-links/
Shaman Links

http://www.skepdic.com/refuge/harm15.html
Skeptic’s Dictionary

http://www.spiritandsky.com/skeptics/new-age/chats-and-forums/
Spirit and Sky

http://stereotype.drumhop.com/
Stereotype Drumhop antiracist page

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/09/23/africa-stupidity
The Stranger, Seattle newspaper

Organization in Eskasoni, TREATY BENEFICIARIES ASSOCIATION; to find one can search the Nova Scotia database: https://rjsc.gov.ns.ca/rjsc/acceptTerms.do?lang=en

http://tribes.tribe.net/3olivedirtymartini/thread/b070d4a6-5093-40a8-9138-b6387758ea65
Tribe.Net

http://www.tripatlas.com/NAFPS
Trip Atlas

http://www.2012hoax.org/forum/t-185278/hopi
2012 Hoax

http://www.ulctribal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8381
ULC Intertribal

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=176353&st=15
Unexplained Mysteries

http://uscmediareligion.org/?theScoop
Univ of Southern California

http://wicca.timerift.net/links.shtml
Wicca for the Rest of Us

http://www.vtap.com/wikitap/detail/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States/WIKI21217
Wikitap

http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/12/danger-of-wannabes.html
Wild Hunt

http://www.wildspeak.com/links.html
Wild Speak

http://www.wildwoodsurvival.com/_jthy/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=972
Wildwood Survival

http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Plastic_shaman
World Lingo

http://zhahara.livejournal.com/40222.html
Zhahara

And this one is a semi endorsement. Apparently one of them came here and left with their feeling hurt. ::) But then he goes onto say he respects that we've exposed many harmful exploiters.
http://www.shamanportal.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=183&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=6fcf64f6fdec71224fea858d47682f4d

Same with this also. Some members of them don't care for us, but some do. And that's pretty amazing when one of them claims (s)he was banned five times in here. Doubtful claim, since they name someone as a mod I've never even heard of.
http://www.artforthemasses.us/castacon/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2267
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on July 23, 2010, 04:34:00 pm
the "artforthemasses" site is run by someone who was a long time member of the old nagual.net site, where i posted about castaneda being a fraud, that he made it up, and took bunches from Dzogchen traditions.  i'm a little surprised to see the site listed here in support of Nafps. 
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: apukjij on July 25, 2010, 12:55:59 pm
please include our organization here in Eskasoni, TREATY BENEFICERIES ASSOCIATION; to find us one can search the Nova Scotia database: https://rjsc.gov.ns.ca/rjsc/acceptTerms.do?lang=en
we are thankful for your help in exposing the fraud known as grandmother selina
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: Lodro on July 26, 2010, 06:04:00 am
the "artforthemasses" site is run by someone who was a long time member of the old nagual.net site, where i posted about castaneda being a fraud, that he made it up, and took bunches from Dzogchen traditions.  i'm a little surprised to see the site listed here in support of Nafps. 

I read the thread quoted above from that site. I know nothing about Chinese Shamanism, but I do know the bit about the supposed Khazaric ancestry of present day Jews is completely bogus, and basing it on the looks of the mother and son from the anecdote the writer says is nonsensical and racist in the jewish context.
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: educatedindian on December 05, 2014, 11:50:59 am
We received an email of support for NAFPS from James Swan of United Urban Warrior Society in Rapid City.
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: milehighsalute on December 12, 2014, 08:56:01 am
i point james in your direction very frequently.....you are usually the first place someone looks to when a fake rears its ugly head
Title: Re: NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Post by: Epiphany on December 12, 2014, 07:42:35 pm
APTN (Aboriginal Peoples Television Network) Investigates used NAFPS for their episode on Plastic Shamans, specifically on frauds Chuck Spezzano and Erick Gonzalez targeting First Nations people on Haida Gwaii. The episode included information from and visuals of the NAFPS web forum.