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Title: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: BlackWolf on August 29, 2009, 09:03:54 pm
This letter has been emailed around.  I don't know too much about this ThunderHawk guy but he has been denounced by a Lakota/Shoshone man who lives in Florida who is from the real Thunderhawk Family.  Has anyone ever heard of this man "Charlie ThunderHawk"?  Here is a copy of the email that is been going around NDN circles in Florida. 

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To whom it may concern,

My Name is HorsesGhost and me and my relatives the IronHawk family and the Thunderhawk family would like to make it known that who ever this man is that goes by the name, Charlie ThunderHawk is a fraud. We know the real Charlie and he lives here in Kyle along with his family. So, whoever this man is, we feel that it is important that people know that this man is an impostor. This man is known to have stolen eagle feathers and even some pipe stone. This man isn't Lakota and may possible be using other aliases . He has been ousted out of A Sun Dance for his conduct. We believe he is in the Tampa Bay, FL area and we would like people to know that this man isn't who he says he is. This Charlie Thunderhawk's real name is Jose Molano.

We are requesting that you read this very well and understand that we won't continue to have this man ruin Charlie's good name.


Pilamaya

HorsesGhost


You can see his picture along with the other fake Cherokees under the Member Photos at this link 
http://www.chickamaugacherokee.org/
He is the one with the long hair and the blue ribbon shirt in the portrait with two women and a younger man in uniform with the title at the bottom of the picture saying Bamburg Family




- NPIE


http://www.chickamaugacherokee.org/

[edited to rename thread - k]
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: earthw7 on August 29, 2009, 10:57:53 pm
I am related to the Thunderhawks here on Standing Rock we have no cherokee in our blood
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on August 30, 2009, 01:05:01 am
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You can see his picture along with the other fake Cherokees under the Member Photos at this link 
http://www.chickamaugacherokee.org/
He is the one with the long hair and the blue ribbon shirt in the portrait with two women and a younger man in uniform with the title at the bottom of the picture saying Bamburg Family
- NPIE

I couldn't get those pics to load, but the "Membership Application" on that site ("MEMBERS APP 1" in left hand nav bar, opens up a PDF) specifically says:

"YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE NATIVE AMERICAN TO BECOME A MEMBER OF THE INDIAN CREEK BAND CHICKAMAUGA CREEK INC"

On the "OUR STORE" page, they are selling books by "Chief James Billy Chance", including Red Road to Shamanism, book 1 & 2. The author is also available to chat via MSN Chat. The "Make a Donation" link is on every page of the site. Clicking on "THE CHIEF" gives you some pictures, complete with "war bonnet" and tomahawk. He also goes by "Little Red Wolf", and his wife goes by "Cheyenne Autumn." Some rather interesting photos under "Elders", as well.

Somehow I think we would have figured out that being NDN is not a requirement for this group, even if they hadn't stated it in their membership application. But for those who don't click on the membership link, or don't know much about NDNs... I guess maybe they do hire this guy to show up at schools in that getup. It's disturbing that anyone might go to this group for information on NDNs.

Despite not being NDNs, they say they are petitioning for Federal recognition, with this rather odd statement:

"Please, Please, sign this online petition it is so important to our people.
Even if you do not wish to live on the reservation, what of your children?"

Uh, what reservation? A reservation for non-Native hobbyists? Whuh?
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: BlackWolf on August 30, 2009, 05:30:11 pm
They even have their own policeforce if you can beleive that. 
http://www.chickamaugacherokee.org/HTMLFILES/welcome.htm (http://www.chickamaugacherokee.org/HTMLFILES/welcome.htm)

It seems to me like that would be considered illegal to do ( Police Impersonation ) under federal and state law, especially since the public over there probably doesn't know that their not a legit tribe and that they are not real police officers.  I can only imagine what their so called police officers actually do. Many Real tribes do have their own police force and thats where the confusion might come into play.

As you can see on their website, they are very serious about what they are doing. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_impersonation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_impersonation)
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: BlackWolf on August 30, 2009, 05:31:56 pm
You have to click on "police force" on the left hand side of the page.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on August 30, 2009, 06:58:51 pm
Maybe the hobbyists should have a reservation. The glamour of it all may wear off when they have no jobs, medical care, water, or heat in the winter. Shivering in their polyester "buckskins", the wind whipping through their gore-tex tipis, burning their shamanism books to try to stay alive.

ETA: WTF! The member's photos page (http://www.chickamaugacherokee.org/HTMLFILES/indian_creek_band_photos_members.htm) finally loaded. And in among all the pictures of non-Natives, they put a photo of Graham Greene! WTF?! They spelled his name wrong, but it's him. I think that's actionable.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: BlackWolf on August 30, 2009, 10:50:30 pm
I saw the pic your talking about Kathryn!   Good catch!  Its, Graham Greene, the actor from Dances with Wolves!  The online bio for Graham Greene says he is Oneida.  These people are pretty bold to put his pic up as if he is a fellow tribal member!

 
Everyone can see for themselves.  I would think another law would be broken here, but I'm not sure which one. 
 

Graham Greene Bio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Greene_(actor) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Greene_(actor))
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: educatedindian on August 31, 2009, 02:18:46 am
I did find the name Charlie Thunderhawk mentioned on a site as another name for a Joe Malano, who was kicked out of AIM. But the site is a long series of attacks on Sheridan Murphey of Florida AIM. Not sure if it's reliable at all.

Their "chief" has a lot of nerve posting the name of Ruth Muskrat at their site. A very distinguished Cherokee who passed on in the 80s.
http://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/24/obituaries/ruth-muskrat-bronson-84-a-specialist-in-indian-affairs.html

Just like with Greene, they want to create the impression she was one of them. In fact if you go to Famous Family Members of the Indian Creek Band, they also claim Audie Murphy, Johnny Cash, James Garner, and even Florence Henderson were members!

PUre BS. Cash was pretty upfront about not being NDN, though he was widely thought of having a little ancestry. Just like some people thought he'd actually done time, when he just sang about it.

I've seen this group around before. Interesting that about half the positions aren't filled, including clan mothers. Yet they have an offical "shaman", no name posted.

The "chief" Bill Chance seems to be affiliated with the notorious fraud Wm Anderson AKA Blue Otter. Anderson's phony prophecy website praises Chance and mentions soliciting memberships for his group. He also shows up on a UFO site. And he's a so called tribal judge in addition to their "chief."

Judging by their site, their memberships probably only numbers in the dozens. I just don't think most people are stupid enough to fall for them.

ETA- just found this over at the Bullshido site, the same bunch that took on Harley Reagan for his phony claims about his time in service.

Thunderhawk AKA Joe Molano was convicted for possession of eagle feathers and denounced by no less than Dennis Banks.

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http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=66358&page=49

FWS and Native Americans Cooperate on Illegal Trading Conviction

Last year, members of the Native American community in Nashville, Tennessee, apprised FWS agents that Joe Angel Molano (aka Charles Thunderhawk, aka Sam Lone Wolf) was illegally trading in eagle feathers while masquerading as a Native American. The subsequent investigation led to charges against Molano for trading protected wildlife parts and products and his conviction on those charges in federal court last August. Molano was sentenced to 45 days in a federal penitentiary and a year's supervised probation, and fined $500 to reimburse the government for costs incurred during the investigation.

Following the investigation, American Indian Movement (AIM) national field director Dennis Banks met with FWS officials to discuss the drafting of a resolution urging all tribal councils to cooperate with FWS law enforcement personnel in fighting illegal trafficking in wildlife. In a press release issued after the conviction, AIM had this to say:

"The sentencing brings a halt to a career based on intimidation, violence, lies and disrespect for Indian Peoples and Native Spirituality. Court proceedings brought to light more than 20 aliases, nine felony arrests, and eight different Social Security numbers in the last ten years. Molano's con game was uncovered and denounced by AIM shortly after the Sundance at Pipestone in 1994. Up to then, Molano had been conducting ceremonies and sweats for money. 'This is an important step in the fight to stop the desecration of our ceremonies, sacred items and Indian Peoples", stated Dennis Banks. 'This will send a message to other phony "Medicine Men and women", Indian and non-Indian, that we will no longer tolerate the the disrespect and desecration that has occurred in the past ten years.'"

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And in further discussions it's alleged he's lied about his military service and martial arts training.
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?s=d1e90f540b07299cc293cc1278bbb9e2&t=66358&page=50

There's more than 100 more pages to read through of their discussion. Maybe more there but I don't have that much time.

This site has a statement from AIM listing him as an informer.
http://www.mail-archive.com/nativenews@mlists.net/msg05299.html
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: taraverti on February 15, 2010, 03:36:03 pm
http://chickamaugacherokee.org/blue/

 

"January 7, 2010

 

The Cherokee March on Washington D.C. was rescheduled because of a time conflict with the permit that was issued, instead of June 14th it well now be held on August 18th.

 

  The Green Dot for Earth and the Cherokee Freedom march on Washington D.C. is set for Flag Day, August 18, 2010, 9:30am at the Lincoln Memorial. We invite all Black Cherokees, all Mixed Blood Cherokees, all Cherokees who have been denied their rights by the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, all College Kids and anyone that supports our efforts to regain our Freedom of speech and Freedom to say we are Cherokee because for too long now we have been shoved around by the Federal Recognized Cherokees when we have as much right to be recognized as any of our brothers and sisters in Oklahoma. Because we stayed to fight for our homelands when many of the Cherokee citizens broke their own laws by selling the land fraudulently to the United States of America we march to regain our dignity as Cherokee and Chickamauga Cherokee. It is very important that you join with us if you care about your future and the future of your children that will come after you.



On August 18th the Indian Creek Band Chickamauga Cherokee Inc. (www.chickamaugacherokee.org) in conjunction with the Green Dot for Earth (www.greendotforearth.org) will be having a gathering at the Lincoln Memorial and Reflecting Pool Area beginning at 9:30am in Washington DC  to draw attention to the fact that many

Mixed-blood Cherokees and the Cherokee Freedmen have been denied our rights and freedoms by the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. The CNO continually denies that many of us even exist by saying that ALL Cherokees walked the Trail of Tears during the forced removal of our people by the United States Government. Even history proclaims that many Cherokees hid in the mountains and valleys to escape that dreadful time in our history as a race of people. During this period many tribes joined together forming the Chickamauga Confederacy such as the Shawnee, Chickasaw, Choctaw and Cherokee in an attempt to regain the lands that were sold by a few Cherokee citizens who did not have the authority to do so. At that time there was a law amongst the Cherokee that if one sold land to the whites that it was punishable by death and even that law was carried out when members of the Ridge Family were killed for what they had done. We are not trying to usurp any of the funding that currently is given to the three recognized tribes of the Cherokee, but we are after the Recognition that is due us and that is to say that we are Cherokee the same as any Cherokee that currently lives on any reservation or is a member of any Federal Recognized Tribe. We have been ostracized by those tribes because we fought on for what was taken from us and now the CNO would attempt to strip us of even being able to say that we are Cherokee when may of us have more of that same Blood flowing through our veins than some of those that are on the Rolls that the BIA goes by. I am not saying that anyone having ¼ Indian Blood is anymore Indian that someone who only has 1/8 Indian Blood, but I do believe just as Dragging Canoe said, ‘That if you have one drop of Cherokee Blood, then you are Cherokee through and through. My skin may be lighter than yours, but remember many passed for white people following the Trail of Tears, and many hid the fact that they were Cherokee descendants because of fear of retribution by the government who would have taken everything they possessed if it had been discovered. That is why that only now many families are finally admitting that they have Cherokee blood in their family.

  The tentative schedule for August 18th is: The Shaman will bless the grounds; arrival of Dignitaries will be between 9:30a.m. - 10:30a.m., followed by speeches, dancing and music, with speeches and closing comments between 2 and 3p.m.

  If you desire more information on this march, please contact Deer Clan Mother Jeanie McKillip at no_moccasin_woman@yahoo.comor Director Terry Nichols of the Green Dot for Earth at TINICHOLS@mail.com or myself, Kermit Manis at peacefuleagle@embarqmail.com. Please feel free to contact either one of us or all of us and let us know that you will be there with us and / or that you support what we are going to do. We are expecting many to join with us on that day to show the United States Government that we are very much alive, that we care about our religious freedom and we care about our ancestors who will surely smile on what we are attempting because We Remember.


Osiyo Members, Warriors, Council, Elders and Friends,"

http://chickamaugacherokee.org/blood/

"August 18 - 19, 2010

NATIVE
BLOOD DRIVE





                                                                           Join us in our fight against extinction!

The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma would like us to ‘go away’

The only place we are going, is to…

March on Washington, D.C.

Wednesday & Thursday August 18 - 19, 2010

Lincoln Memorial / Reflecting Pool Area, 9:30 a.m.

http://www.chickamaugacherokee.org

CHEROKEE MARCH ON WASHINGTON

9:30 A.M. Lincoln Memorial and Reflecting Pool Area

9:30 a.m. to 10:30 a.m. Recognition of Dignitaries

10:30 a.m. Opening Ceremonies

Speeches

Dancing and Music

3:00 p.m. Closing Ceremonies

The Indian Creek Band Chickamauga Cherokee Inc. (www.chickamaugacherokee.org) of Deltona, Florida in conjunction with the Green Dot for Earth (www.greendotforearth.org) will be having a gathering at the Lincoln Memorial and Reflecting Pool Area beginning at 9:30A.M in an attempt to draw attention to the fact that many mixed blood Cherokees and the Cherokee Freedmen have been denied their rights and freedoms by the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma.

The CNO continually denies that many of us even exist by saying that ALL Cherokees walked the Trail of Tears during the forced removal of our people by the United States Government. Even history proclaims that many Cherokees his in the mountains and valleys to escape that dreadful time in our history as a race of people. During this period many tribes joined together forming the Chickamauga Confederacy such as the Shawnee, Chickasaw, Choctaw and Cherokee in an attempt to regain the lands that were sold by a few Cherokee citizens who did not have the authority to do so.

At that time there was a law amongst the Cherokee that if one sold land to the whites that it was punishable by death and even that law was carried out when members of the Ridge Family were killed for what they had done. We are not trying to usurp any of the funding that currently is given to the three recognized tribes of the Cherokee but we are after the Recognition that is due us and that is that we are Cherokee the same as any Cherokee that currently lives on any reservation or is a member of any Federal Recognized Tribe. We have been ostracized by those tribes because we fought on for what was taken from us and now the CNO would attempt to strip us of even being able to say that we are Cherokee when may of us have more Native American Blood flowing through our veins than some of those that are on the Rolls that the BIA goes by. I am not saying that anyone having ¼ Indian Blood is anymore Indian that someone who only has 1/8 Indian Blood, but I do believe just like Dragging Canoe said ‘That if you have one drop of Cherokee Blood, then you are Cherokee through and through.

If anyone desires more information on this march, please contact Jean McKillip at no_moccasin_woman@yahoo.comor Director Terry Nichols of the Green Dot for Earth at TINICHOLS@mail.com or myself Kermit Manis at peacefuleagle@embarqmail.com.

We are seeking all those that will march with us on this monumental occasion to meet us there on that date.

Wado,

Kermit ‘Peaceful Eagle’ Manis, Wild Potato Clan Chief of The Indian Creek Band Chickamauga Cherokee, Inc.

NATIVE BLOOD

DRIVE

Join Us: ALL Native Blood

Dignitaries, Native American Film, Singers, Music Stars.

Covering this National Historic Event LIVE will be: WPFW Radio

Want to speak at the Historic Event? Please contact us, the schedule is filling fast.

Native American March on Washington . Confirmed date is August 18th at the Lincoln Memorial/Reflecting Pool Area, begins at 9:30A.M

Schedule for that date is:

9:30AM to 10:30 AM – Arrival of dignitaries

10:30AM Opening Ceremonies

Speeches Follow

Dancing & Music

Speeches Follow

Closing Ceremonies from 2:00PM to 3:00PM

Massive, Historic Event. Join us as we fight for our rights.

Dancers, flute players, drummers, speakers are welcomed

PLEASE RESPOND QUICKLY TO:

James Billy Chance
1352 East Lombardy Drive
Deltona, Florida 32725
Phone 386-574-3291
E-mail (bchance2@cfl.rr.com )"
 
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: BlackWolf on February 15, 2010, 04:38:31 pm
Thanks for the post taraverti.  It doesn't surprise me though at all.  I think as the three Federally Recognized Cherokee Tribes are beginning to assert themselves more and more, conflicts with groups such as these are going to become more and more commonplace.  It’s more than just about whom can call themselves Cherokee at this point as there are a lot of serious issues at stake and that’s why the Cherokee Nation and EB have been taking a proactive stance lately.  I think it was last year the Cherokee Nation had to send official representiaon to Tennessee to try to stop a couple of bogus groups from getting State Recognition.  As you can see from the tone of the article, many of these people feel as if they are being persecuted.  Some of them actually feel like something’s owed to them because of their alleged Cherokee Heritage.  It will be interesting to see how it turns out. 
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: educatedindian on February 15, 2010, 07:40:18 pm
It might make you feel better to know that, even while trying to shamelessly capitalize on the Freedmen issue, the march will likely be a huge flop few people will notice. Green Dot For Earth seems to be one guy, a very naive guy (who never even says his name on the site) talking about Gandhi and Nostradamus and who knows what else in one huge confused mess of random ideas. His blog shows little activity, and his fundraising acvtivities for the march show a call for $100,000 of which they've raised...zero. Not a single penny from a single person.

In his own words:

"My life has not been all that honorable and there are those who will investigate me to embarrass me before you to discredit this movement any means possible. No complaints, just facts for you to know that I am human like you are and I have no agenda other than the one you see here. I am the voice of your hearts and as such, I am an enormous threat to what the establishment needs to keep the world as it is today."

I actually feel sorry for him. The so called Chickamaugas should be ashamed for taking advantage of him.

The so called Chickamaugas include at least one leader who claims to be not Cherokee, but a Melungeon looking for his roots "with a Cherokee connection somewhere" he'd heard.
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:c6GExRUEB-EJ:genforum.genealogy.com/melungeon/+%22Kermit+Manis&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

His facebook page. Put down anything you're drinking before you look at this. I couldn't help but think of the drummer from Cheap Trick. (OK, showing my age there.)
http://www.facebook.com/people/Kermit-Manis/1649702257

It's also pretty amusing this bunch invents a quote from Draggin Canoe about the Trail of Tear. He died more than 40 years before it.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Unegv Waya on February 15, 2010, 08:11:00 pm
About Florida AIM, it has been a long time since I spoke to anyone from AIM but last time I did, some 10 years ago or so, I was told there is no official AIM chapter in this state.  There is/was a group calling themselves Florida AIM only they were not legit as of the last time I inquired.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 15, 2010, 10:58:33 pm
OK, this is odd. The Aug. 18 event is also being advertised as a pan-NDN march:

A Large Protest Rally Call - 2010 the Year of the Natives of Americas
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=255394333108

Some of the people connected with this are friending everyone they can find on Facebook.

Are these heritage groups behind it, or trying to co-opt it?

Here is the group's description on their profile page:

---------------begin quote----------------------

Name:
    A Large Protest Rally Call - 2010 the Year of the Natives of Americas
Category:
    Organizations - Political Organizations
Description:
    The time to begin the process of a walk to the government offices to protest and demand our rights, freedom and justice for our people.

    A time for all Natives across the Americas to protest once and for all the ill-treatment and broken promises, crimes and treaties that the government has committed on our peoples of Turtle Island.

    This group is to rally a call to wake all of us Natives up and rally against the governments of Americas and to speak up in a march towards the governments doorsteps with all of our Nations of Aboriginals in unity.

    A rally cry to all of our people to stand up and be accounted for, because we will no longer stand in self pity while our land and resources are being stolen from underneath us.

    A time to protest at the governments offices and beat our drums and yell out with our strongest voices that we are no longer going to take it anymore. The line has been drawn and the promises have all been broken for centuries.

    We(our Native brothers and sisters) are one now in unity, and we have all come together to stand up for what is ours and what has been promised, no matter how long it takes. We are not the outsiders here, this is our land and we did not lose no wars to surrender it.

-------------------------end quote----------------------------

Here's a typical bulletin being sent out from this group:

----------begin quote-------------------

 David Cada  http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000181399404  February 14 at 9:52am  Reply
Unrest is going on all over the US and Canada and those Natives around the world who have been displaced. Protests are popping up everywhere, demanding our rights. This is the year of the Natives, it is felt all over. 2010, we will be recognized. The governments thought they could continue on their destructive path and the hidden genocide. IT ENDS HERE! How are they going to stop the sea of our brothers and sisters marching to the sound of our drums when there will be millions that will stand all over the continent. We will be shout until we are heard, the drums will not stop. When the day ends, we will start again the next day until they listen. We will no longer be ignored, this is where we belong, this is our home, this is our future. STAND UP FOR WHO YOU ARE, ALL OF YOU!!!!! IT IS TIME!!!! AUG 18, be ready.

----------------------end quote----------------------------
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on February 15, 2010, 11:25:10 pm
It's confusing to me, because they don't mention in this march to Washington that it is about getting accepted by tribe for their 'heritage', which is what the first march to Washington (that was posted) was obviously about.



Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 15, 2010, 11:38:59 pm
Well, for all we know we might have two unconnected groups who simply chose the same date.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on February 16, 2010, 12:09:57 am
ah. missed the dates.  that is a bit odd though, bit much for pure coincidence of picking the same dates..
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: apukjij on February 16, 2010, 03:58:07 pm
I heard back from David Cada, he confirmed that he is contact with the Dot Green and the Chickamunga historical club from florida, he feels that this protest they organized is a great starting point and he wants to build on that, he has flooded Facebook with soveran rhetoric inviting people to come march never telling anyone about the dot green and chickamunga connection.....
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Moma_porcupine on February 16, 2010, 05:34:09 pm
from Reply #8
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We invite all Black Cherokees, all Mixed Blood Cherokees, all Cherokees who have been denied their rights by the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma

Quote
we have been shoved around by the Federal Recognized Cherokees when we have as much right to be recognized as any of our brothers and sisters in Oklahoma

Quote
Mixed-blood Cherokees and the Cherokee Freedmen have been denied our rights and freedoms by the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma.


Quote
The CNO continually denies that many of us even exist by saying that ALL Cherokees walked the Trail of Tears during the forced removal of our people by the United States Government. Even history proclaims that many Cherokees hid in the mountains and valleys to escape that dreadful time in our history as a race of people.

How strange...

These people are demanding recognition, but recognition as what, and by who?

If they can prove descent from a person who was Cherokee , are they wanting a note from the President of the United States acknowldging that their genealogy is correct ?

If they can't actually prove one of their ancestors is Cherokee, are they hoping they can get some authoritative people to say their genealogy tracks back to a Cherokee ancestor... and even if they can't prove it, then they don't need to worry about that ?

Are they wanting to see the general requirements for federal recognition as a tribe changed, so that proof of political and cultural continuity is no longer required, and any group of people with any amount of Native blood came claim to be their own Nation?

Is it only the identity of indigenous Nations thats up for grabs, or is the political identity of European Nations such as England , Germany France and Spain on the table to?  Being Queen of one of these countries might be fun and finacially lucrative... Is the position open to any NDN  person who can prove they have ancestry from one of these countries?

Or are they thinking only people who believe they are Cherokee descendents have the privilidge of getting together for a few potluck dinners, and declaring themself an independant Nation ?

If these rights to recognition as a Nation are not a special privilidge held only by people who imagine themselves to be Cherokee descendents, then would this right to declare Nationhood also extend to any small town in America, which has a few families which trace descent from Pocahontas...?

And I see this article mentions the CNO three times as being to blame for not recognizing these people.

If tribal Nations have membership limitations because they feel it isn't practical to try to reintegrate everyone who has some descent, and these people want to criticize this, then why are they repeatedly criticizing the CNO, which has the most inclusive membership criteria?

If these demands were really based on descendents with Cherokee blood being excluded from being enrolled citizens , it seems it would be the tribes with the most exclusive membership policies, like the UKB , who would be criticized most strongly... But it isn't...

It looks more like it's more that the generosity and inclusiveness of the CNO is percieved as easiest barrier to try to bust their way through.

Quote
now the CNO would attempt to strip us of even being able to say that we are Cherokee when may of us have more of that same Blood flowing through our veins than some of those that are on the Rolls that the BIA goes by. I am not saying that anyone having ¼ Indian Blood is anymore Indian that someone who only has 1/8 Indian Blood, but I do believe just as Dragging Canoe said, ‘That if you have one drop of Cherokee Blood, then you are Cherokee through and through.

The importance Cherokee communities seem to put on maintaining relationships with descendents seems like a good thing, but i doubt this inclusiveness was ever in response to a large group of people who popped up out of nowhere, with no connection to any living Cherokee families, who were claiming the right to all resources belonging to Cherokee people...

I have to wonder what privilidges these people imagine they would have, if they were enrolled in the CNO, that an unenrolled descendent would be denied?

I'm not at all clear what it is they are demanding...?
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Superdog on February 16, 2010, 05:43:16 pm
It might make you feel better to know that, even while trying to shamelessly capitalize on the Freedmen issue, the march will likely be a huge flop few people will notice. Green Dot For Earth seems to be one guy, a very naive guy (who never even says his name on the site) talking about Gandhi and Nostradamus and who knows what else in one huge confused mess of random ideas. His blog shows little activity, and his fundraising acvtivities for the march show a call for $100,000 of which they've raised...zero. Not a single penny from a single person.

In his own words:

"My life has not been all that honorable and there are those who will investigate me to embarrass me before you to discredit this movement any means possible. No complaints, just facts for you to know that I am human like you are and I have no agenda other than the one you see here. I am the voice of your hearts and as such, I am an enormous threat to what the establishment needs to keep the world as it is today."

I actually feel sorry for him. The so called Chickamaugas should be ashamed for taking advantage of him.

The so called Chickamaugas include at least one leader who claims to be not Cherokee, but a Melungeon looking for his roots "with a Cherokee connection somewhere" he'd heard.
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:c6GExRUEB-EJ:genforum.genealogy.com/melungeon/+%22Kermit+Manis&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

His facebook page. Put down anything you're drinking before you look at this. I couldn't help but think of the drummer from Cheap Trick. (OK, showing my age there.)
http://www.facebook.com/people/Kermit-Manis/1649702257

It's also pretty amusing this bunch invents a quote from Draggin Canoe about the Trail of Tear. He died more than 40 years before it.

Actually the Green Dot for Earth site is operated by a man named Terry Nichols (not Terry Lynn Nichols of the Oklahoma bombing...just being clear) who "discovered" that he was Native American and then went on a vision quest with some unnamed "shaman" and thinks this is the fulfillment of his vision.

http://www.greendotforearth.org/about.htm

But I definitely agree...very naive.
Both sites, the Chickimauga site and the Green Dot for Earth site, give very different reasons for their "march" in August.  One talks about being denied rights by the Cherokee Nation, the other is talking about rights for all Natives....I don't think they have their stories straight at all.

I also agree that this will be a flop although they have a lot of propaganda on both sites claiming they have so much support they had to increase the event to two days, there will be other protests in state capitols all over the US, as well as worldwide, etc, etc.

I saw a petition where they are asking for a million people to commit....so far...70.  When you read it...they're all kind of lost people who have no clue.

The common ground both sites seem to share is a shameless exploitation for what they're about.  They both have online stores with various items...clothes, coffee cups, underwear....all for sale, all with the same "patch" somehow incorporated.

IMHO, they're shooting their "ruse" in the foot by putting on this big show and I hope they try to carry it out all the way so they become truly exposed for what they are....opportunists rewriting history for their own benefit.

Superdog
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on February 16, 2010, 05:46:05 pm

I'm not at all clear what it is they are demanding...?

I believe they are demanding this:

Are they wanting to see the general requirements for federal recognition as a tribe changed, so that proof of political and cultural continuity is no longer required, and any group of people with any amount of Native blood came claim to be their own Nation?
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: apukjij on February 16, 2010, 06:40:03 pm
i agree, this groups claims are dubious bordering on spurious, and takes away from those legitimate groups fighting for status, the Qalipu First Nation is a good example of that, where-by to get status by the canadian govt, you have to prove direct ancestry to a relation that is listed as L'nu on the 1945 Census. i think that a separate thread is needed here.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: BlackWolf on February 16, 2010, 08:40:32 pm

Critter said
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It's confusing to me, because they don't mention in this march to Washington that it is about getting accepted by tribe for their 'heritage', which is what the first march to Washington (that was posted) was obviously about.

This is what I don't understand either.  How is it exactly that they want to get accepted or have the right to practice their alledged Cherokee heritage??? Do they want Principle Chief Smith to go in front of the media and make an offical proclamation and say its "OK" for them to practice their Cherokee  heritage?  Do they want to show up in Oklahoma and get the Red Carpet Treatment and for everyone there to treat them as if they are Cherokee???  I don't understand what they want?  If anybody should be ticked off, its enrolled Cherokees having these people misrepresent us all the time!

There's no law saying they can't learn about Cherokee culture, cook Cherokee food, learn how to shoot a blowgun, take clases on how to grow Traditional Cherokee food, etc.  As far as I know nobody is going to show up at their doorstep and demand that they stop doing this.  Their demands are very elusive.  I get the feeling that they don't even know what they want.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 16, 2010, 09:37:37 pm
As the thread is still short, and the posts on "Thunderhawk" and the background info on the "Chickamuaga Cherokee" are relevant, I've just retitled this thread rather than split it.

I wrote Dave Cada and he confirmed that "No Moccasins" is one of the DC organizers. I don't think he knew that she was advertising this as being about gaining "rights" for "Cherokee" heritage groups. He said he's spoken to her about this being a general protest/rally/performance and the need to present it as such. (ETA: However, as of this edit, the Chickamauga websites have not been changed to reflect any of this.)

Some of the people involved are also calling this: NATIVE BLOOD DRIVE AUGUST 18-19, LINCOLN MEMORIAL

This is another page "No Moccasins" has set up about it:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/NATIVE-BLOOD-DRIVE-AUGUST-18-19-LINCOLN-MEMORIAL/455081800014

They are looking for "Native and Non-Native" performers to appear at the event. Here's a picture of one of the groups who are slated to appear: Thunder with the Hands Drum Group (http://www.facebook.com/pages/NATIVE-BLOOD-DRIVE-AUGUST-18-19-LINCOLN-MEMORIAL/455081800014#!/photo.php?pid=1030256&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=455081800014&aid=-1&id=1268096766&oid=455081800014)

Photo posted by: William Lawson (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1030256&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=455081800014&aid=-1&id=1268096766&oid=455081800014#!/profile.php?id=1268096766) who also belongs to the Chickamauga Cherokee Teaching Council (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Chickamauga-Cherokee-Teaching-Council/225651333296) on facebook.

Here they assert that the Sweat Lodge is part of their religion: http://www.facebook.com/notes/chickamauga-cherokee-teaching-council/the-sweat-bathsweat-lodge/310536243356

Some on the page express frustration that a rumoured gggrandmother is not enough for them to enroll in a Nation. Some in this thread express concern that legal protections for traditional ceremonies are preventing, or could prevent, those with distant, or rumoured Cherokee heritage from holding sweat lodges. This response was interesting:

Quote
Chickamauga Cherokee Teaching Council
osiyo...there is a large group of us who are trying to change many of these things, so that, Native Americans have equal rights under the Law. Check out the efforts of 100's of groups, tnes of thousands of people:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/NATIVE-BLOOD-DRIVE-AUGUST-18-19-LINCOLN-MEMORIAL/455081800014?ref=ts#!/pages/NATIVE-BLOOD-DRIVE-AUGUST-18-19-LINCOLN-MEMORIAL/455081800014
4 hours ago
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Paul123 on February 17, 2010, 01:51:22 am
They even have their own policeforce if you can beleive that. 
http://www.chickamaugacherokee.org/HTMLFILES/welcome.htm (http://www.chickamaugacherokee.org/HTMLFILES/welcome.htm)

It seems to me like that would be considered illegal to do ( Police Impersonation ) under federal and state law, especially since the public over there probably doesn't know that their not a legit tribe and that they are not real police officers.  I can only imagine what their so called police officers actually do. Many Real tribes do have their own police force and thats where the confusion might come into play.

As you can see on their website, they are very serious about what they are doing. 




I had looked (on the web) at this Police dept. about 6 months ago and wondered the same thing.
Now the link showing the "Tribal Officers" is not working.
I did a Google earth for their address and wondered if their Police dept. only has jurisdiction at that address. Also the names of most all of their "Officers" have the same last name. Hummm a family living in a typical Florida neighborhood that are ALL Tribal Police Officers. I wondered if any of them would be dumb enough to flash their really cool looking badge to a REAL cop if they got caught speeding???

 http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1352+East+Lombardy+Drive,+Deltona,+FL+32725&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=1352+E+Lombardy+Dr,+Deltona,+FL+32725&gl=us&ei=z0d7S6_qD9CztgfftqXPCg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ8gEwAA

Just to be clear.
This group is a prime example of the fakes that I have said all a long that the "Task Force" should be going after.




Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: lostcherokee on February 17, 2010, 07:04:38 am
"No Moccasins" is or was briefly mentioned a few times in a thread here by myself.She is/was a member of the (SCN)The Southern Cherokee Nation of Ky.Was the one that had the petition in Texas for the Governor to recognize the (SCN)..

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=931.0


Lost
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Unegv Waya on February 17, 2010, 05:10:22 pm
One question I've asked a few congressional reps about but never got a real to is why hasn't the feds recognized the Freedmen who do not have Cherokee blood as their own unique group/people.  Someone set me straight if I am wrong about this but as I understand it part of the reason the feds wanted the CN to take in several of the former slaves following the civil war was because the feds did not want to repatriate any of them or acknowledge them as US citizens.

I also understand that the CN was basically given "stewardship", for lack of a better term, over the Freedmen and the resources allocated for them because the feds at the time (back in 1866) did not believe that the Freedmen were capable of managing their own affairs.  At least, that's the impression I got from the few Freedmen I ever met.

I sent a letter to Rep. Watson about HR 2824 and HR 2761, asking her what had been done to assist the Freedmen with any difficulties they are experiencing due to their change in CN citizen status.  I never got a reply.  Since then I have looked at a lot of the business that has been presented to the congress and never once found even a proposal to do anything to assist the Freedmen directly.  Seems the only thing that ever went to congress were the two bills Watson submitted to punish the CN.   

In my mind that says that the sponsors of those bills were not acting in the Freedmen's best interest as they, the sponsors, are trying to portray.

Again, if I've got this wrong please set me straight.

wado
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: BlackWolf on February 17, 2010, 07:40:20 pm
Whitewolf said

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I sent a letter to Rep. Watson about HR 2824 and HR 2761, asking her what had been done to assist the Freedmen with any difficulties they are experiencing due to their change in CN citizen status.  I never got a reply.  Since then I have looked at a lot of the business that has been presented to the congress and never once found even a proposal to do anything to assist the Freedmen directly.  Seems the only thing that ever went to congress were the two bills Watson submitted to punish the CN.   

In my mind that says that the sponsors of those bills were not acting in the Freedmen's best interest as they, the sponsors, are trying to portray.

Again, if I've got this wrong please set me straight.

wado

But Whitewolf, what would make the Freedmen descendents any different from the millions of other descendents of slaves in this country?
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 18, 2010, 10:33:34 pm
I wrote Dave Cada and he confirmed that "No Moccasins" is one of the DC organizers. I don't think he knew that she was advertising this as being about gaining "rights" for "Cherokee" heritage groups. He said he's spoken to her about this being a general protest/rally/performance and the need to present it as such. (ETA: However, as of this edit, the Chickamauga websites have not been changed to reflect any of this.)

Websites still not changed. The march is still being represented as a protest against the CNO for not accepting heritage/hobbyist groups as Cherokee, claiming the CNO and other recognized tribes are oppressing them. Actually, they appear to have expanded the site since Cada spoke to them, posting pictures of people they expect to come. If you go to the rally page here: http://chickamaugacherokee.org/blood/ and click on Board of Directors, this is the page you get: http://chickamaugacherokee.org/council/ 

The picture of their "shaman" has been removed from the page, but the file name remains: "deerclanmother.jpg".  I found a cached version here:
(http://chickamaugacherokee.org/ESW/Images/deerclanmother.jpg)
I looked at "No Moccasins" photos on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2016262&id=1504124976).
Particularly this one (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30642249&id=1504124976) and this one (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30242209&id=1504124976).
Here she signs a post with:

"No Moccasins
With respect, I ask each of you viewing this page to go to the link provided and sign our Cherokee Petition for Federal Recognition.
www.chickamaugacherokee.org
Wado!
Mother No Moccasins, Shaman
April 3, 2009 at 3:20pm · Report"

Given that post, and the resemblance between the photographs, I'd say "No Moccasins" is the unnamed "Shaman", advertised in their bulletins as the one who will "bless the grounds" in Washington.



Additional confirmation found here: http://chickamaugacherokee.org/headmother/
----------------------------quote----------------------
(http://chickamaugacherokee.org/ESW/Images/deerclanmother.jpg)
HEAD MOTHER
MOTHER JEANIE  MCKILLIP
NO MOCCISAN WOMAN
---------------------------end quote-------------------
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: softwind on February 19, 2010, 06:18:42 pm
I was just introduced to this web site today and am trying to bring my self up to date with what has been going on.
I do have information that I feel will be helpful with the Chickamauga group in FL.

I would like to bring everyone's attention to this web site:

Chickamaugacherokee.org

I would like to add some insight and information to this group, as I personally know some of the members of this so-called 'tribe'.

At the bottom of the web page you will find a single photo of a large drum. Under the drum it reads:
"Chief Night Hunter (Scott Mitchell) and his family will be drum at the event in Washington DC".

I know Scott. I have been to his home. He came by that drum last spring, by trading his small boat for it!
He knows no songs; he has no teacher to share the drum teachings.
He learns (if you can call it that) songs from CDs that he picks up at Pow Wows.
He showed up to an event in Ohio last summer as a paid drum group: he was a group of ONE!!!!
he carried the drum in, sat down next to some real drums, and began to sing.
Needless to say he was stopped! He alone sat there and tried to sing.

This man has no clue what he is doing, and now he is going to go to Washington DC with the Chickamauga Cherokee group, and will be portraying himself as a Chief, and a Deputy Sheriff no less.

Yes-- that's right; he is calling himself ( as well as others from this group), Deputy Sheriff. Please see link below.

http://chickamaugacherokee.org/police/

It only gets better! His wife is listed as Clan Mother. She is a white woman who knows nothing about native life.
If you were to ask her for moon teachings, she would say: " Well, it comes up every night, and sets every morning".

She has no clue what the heck she is talking about. She (nor her husband) have ever been to a real ceremony-- they don't know their own history or any of the true Cherokee ways.

Scott is Cherokee, but refuses to go t the real people of Cherokee to become registered, or to ask for help and teachings.
He refuses to learn the true ways of his ancestry. Even if this Chickamauga Cherokee band was the real deal, everything they have done and said discredits them completely.

Scott was asked not long ago how it was that he became Chief of this Clan. His response: "There was no one to fill the spot, so they asked me".

He has never meet the people in FL. his only contact with them has been by phone.
He was part of the group in KY. but left when he felt his kids were being miss treated.
Shortly after leaving this group in KY No Moccasin Women who was also a part of the KY. group left and went to FL.
She called him and asked him to join in FL.

Now Scott's wife has become Clan Mother of said Clan for the same reason-- guess they are keeping it in the family!
The country needs to know about these fake wing nuts! This march in Washington DC is a shame, and true native people are getting wrapped up in it.

Get the word out--it's a fake tribe with a real agenda, and it's not a good one!
As the day's go by I will post more of what I know I think all of you will find it unbelievable.

 
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 19, 2010, 06:29:31 pm
Inquiring minds want to know: OK, you don't have to be NDN to join their "tribe". But if you join, are you required to wear their seal on your butt? http://www.cafepress.com/chickamagua.430556309

And what if thongs make you uncomfortable when you're sitting at your drum? http://www.cafepress.com/chickamagua.430556310

Will those marching in Washington be required to wear the official tribal thongs?
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on February 19, 2010, 06:36:41 pm
Seems to me could join this on Face Book and begin posting that it's fake?  
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: dabosijigwokush on February 19, 2010, 08:10:41 pm
a group of fake Indians are using June and johnny's bios in the phony web sight
they also have Graham Greene listed as one of there members
this group is not listed with the irs as a 501 3 c non profit group
they are not listed with the state of Florida

http://www.chickamaugacherokee.org/HTMLFILES/welcome.htm
under Famouse Family Members Of the Indian Greek Band
http://www.chickamaugacherokee.org/
please alert them as to the facts
this was sent to the carters and cash famleys
 
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: dabosijigwokush on February 19, 2010, 08:20:37 pm
happy hunting

http://web.archive.org/web/*hh_/chickamaugacherokee.org/
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: dabosijigwokush on February 19, 2010, 08:33:46 pm
turn this over to the state of Florida

http://chickamaugacherokee.org/police/
open with getright browser
has pictures of there police officers 

Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Paul123 on February 20, 2010, 12:36:55 am
turn this over to the state of Florida

http://chickamaugacherokee.org/police/
open with getright browser
has pictures of there police officers 



I have discussed this with a 10th circuit Judicial prosecutor (State's Attorney)   
I ask about impersonating a Police officer, That got his attention. Then I told him that they were representing themselves as Tribal Police. He said... Oh, well then the Tribe appoints them. I Asked who appoints the Tribe? He had no answer, and said that he would ask his boss. We'll see. 10th circuit may not be in their jurisdiction.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: BlackWolf on February 20, 2010, 12:51:16 am
Quote
I have discussed this with a 10th circuit Judicial prosecutor (State's Attorney)   
I ask about impersonating a Police officer, That got his attention. Then I told him that they were representing themselves as Tribal Police. He said... Oh, well then the Tribe appoints them. I Asked who appoints the Tribe? He had no answer, and said that he would ask his boss. We'll see. 10th circuit may not be in their jurisdiction.

I know of similar instances of public officals not knowing the difference between a Federally Recognzied Tribe and a heritage club.  In Florida, the Seminole Tribe and Miccosukee Tribes both have Tribal Police Departments.  That may be where the confusion lies.  And I'm assuming this guy doesn't know the differnece.  You'd be suprised Paul how many people in goverment offices around the US don't know the differnece.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Paul123 on February 20, 2010, 01:11:36 am
You got that right. oh well I tried, is all I can say.(unless he does get back to me for more info). He could set a precedent. 
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: dabosijigwokush on February 22, 2010, 01:34:16 am
Indian tribal police are peace officers hired by those Native American tribes which have a constitutional government as opposed to hereditary chiefs. Tribal police historically had several different titles—sheriffs, constables, regulators, lighthorsemen, etc.— and today work closely with local, state, and federal police agencies.
and being they are not native "Indians" then they are in violation of local, state, and federal laws
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: BlackWolf on February 22, 2010, 01:41:24 am
Maybe it would be a good idea to contact the local police out where they are set up.  That might get them to take action somehow. 
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 24, 2010, 06:58:04 pm
Today "No Moccasins"/Jeanie McKillip openly admitted the "Native Blood Drive" marches in DC and New York, also advertised as "A Large Protest Rally Call - 2010 the Year of the Natives of Americas" are to solicit support for the "United Cherokee Nation" (UCN). We have a thread for them here in Frauds: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=732.0

http://www.facebook.com/notes/native-blood-drive-august-18-19-lincoln-memorial/chief-stone-bear-to-speak-in-dc/327921113864

-begin quote-

Chief Stone Bear to Speak in D.C.

Today at 12:13pm

Stone Bear - "Nuh yaw Yoh nah"

We have been told by a voice to remember our Tsalagi (Cherokee) ancestors, to pass on their ways, so they can't be forgotten. To help and serve one another for everyone’s benefit. The less arguing, fighting, andgrudges we hold the sooner our lives, our communities, and our world will be a better place to live". Our history is different than those whose ancestors were removed. Remember the Treaty of New Echotaand the selling of our Tribal lands. We seek unity now for all Tribes, Nations and Bands of Tsalagi (Cherokee), we united together are the Ani-Yun’wi’ya, the Principal People, apart we are but lost. Remember we are the “Keepers of the Sacred Fire”. Remembering this is a moral obligation to our future.

Our goals are specific; to gather all those who claim the right to be recognized as Tsalagi (Cherokee) , under one tribal membership organization. We will teach our children and grandchildren to appreciate the sacrifices of our ancestors, to respect their many hardships and to learn and teach our history, language and culture to the future generations before it is lost forever.

With your help, The United Cherokee Nation (UCN) will become the largest Tsalagi (Cherokee) tribal membership organization in the world. We invite you to be a part of our future as we continue with THE "GATHERING

[emphasis added]
-end quote-

"Chief Stone Bear" is mentioned specifically in these posts in Frauds:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=732.msg9841#msg9841

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=732.msg9907#msg9907

More info on him near the end of this page: http://theucn.com/
And here he is on MySpace, with all his various "shaman" friends: http://www.myspace.com/chief_stone_bear

And lest anyone miss it, the Official UCN "Tribal" Thong: http://www.cafepress.com/UCNTribe.394711733#
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Kanowakeron on February 26, 2010, 09:06:06 am
Apologies for entering this discussion so late; just came across this bit of absurdity on Facebook.

A few personal observations:

As a Mohawk of the Six Nations of the Grand River, I was stunned by the sheer temerity of this Florida-based group of charlatans who claimed that Graham Greene - a banded Oneida of my reserve – was a ‘member’ of the Chickamauga Cherokees.

Anyone with the ability to spell ‘Google’ is able to see that this is obviously a blatant lie.

Strike One.

Riddled with photos of some of the most hackneyed Native attire I’ve ever seen, the Chickamauga Cherokee Indian Creek Band more resembles a parody of Halloween costumes than any authentic, historically relevant Traditional attire.

Apparently cobbled together from 1950’s-era ‘B’-grade cowboy and Indian movies, I challenge ANY member of the Chickamauga Cherokee Indian Creek Band to provide ANY historical source which corroborates their ‘Traditional’ attire as it appears on their website.

Strike Two.

The website of the ‘Indian Creek Band Chickamauga Cherokee, Inc.’ of Deltona Florida is so hopelessly sophomoric and without the slightest hint of sophistication, it doesn’t even approach the level of a basic amateur effort.

Someone should notify these poseurs that basic web design is free online (although it DOES require something called ‘studying’) or is available through professional services (although that requires something called ‘researching’).

The first step towards credibility is to present at least a half-hearted attempt at appearing quasi-professional.

Education is a wonderful thing (even for some 47-year old ‘website editor’ living in the sunny climes of Florida).  The true Onkwehonweh of the First Nations realise the importance of education and are making remarkable gains towards educating themselves, despite the Chickamauga Cherokee Indian Creek Band’s demonstration to the contrary.

Strike Three.

There’s no need to rehash the evidence that these wannabe’s have been publicly discredited in any number of venues.  I accept the facts as submitted and have to wonder how this deluded group thinks they’ll ever be taken seriously?  I’m sorry, but in my opinion, thongs emblazoned with the Great Seal of ANY First Nation is a disrespectful disgrace.

For the more chaste crowd who wishes to be a little more discreet, perhaps the boudoir could be stocked with Chickamauga Boxer Briefs, Chickamauga Women’s Boy Briefs (what??!! No Chickamauga Men’s Girl Briefs??  Isn’t that discrimination?) or Chickamauga Boxer Shorts.

Think anyone would get upset over toilet paper imprinted with the U.S. flag?  Same thing.

Moving over the Terry Nichols’ Green Dot For Earth website:

“I grew up in poor economic means with alcoholic parents and despite everything, I was able to leave that life and move on.”

Evidentally.  And with a touch of style and panache, to boot.

The Allwhois.com domain registry shows Terry’s registered address is 400 Groveland Avenue in Minneapolis Minnesota.  Google Earth’s street level photos show this address to be some pretty fine digs in a finely manicured neighbourhood.… it’s a 24-story highrise called Summit House.

No mention of whether Green Dot For Earth is a 501.3C not for profit organisation (and mind you, certainly NOT to suggest Mr. Nichols would EVER use any contributions to help pay for his mortgage… er, umm… ‘personal lifestyle’), it bears noting that his World Vote contributor goal of $200,000 has ZERO dollars raised so far and his Sponsorship levels range from a Scrape-Together-Your-Babysitting-Money Level One ($25) to a You’ve-GOT-To-Be-Kidding-Me Level Seven ($10,000).

Summit House ain’t no public housing, ya know.

<sigh>

I was dishing dirt on the debacle of White Eagle Medicine Woman AKA Suraj Holzwarth a while back (she’s still at it, from what I can tell) and now, a bunch of yahoos from Florida and Minnesota are playing games as well.

When some ersatz ‘Tribe’ from Florida is claiming a Haudenosaunee actor from Canada as one of their own, it’s disgusting.

When the same ‘Tribe’ is hawking official dog t-shirts and sleazy skivvies, it’s beyond the scope of credibility to believe it has the slightest basis to be recognised as being part of proud and honourable Native Nations.

And if any of the ‘Indian Creek Band Chickamauga Cherokee, Inc.’ wannabe’s who are reading this would like to challenge or dispute anything I’ve written, I say “Bring it”.  Mohawks have taken on better foes than you pansies.

Otherwise, your silence is your own indictment and admission of guilt.   
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: taraverti on February 26, 2010, 12:14:33 pm
They are a bunch of buffoons and it's impossible for anyone with any real knowledge of NDN people to take them seriously.

I worry about the damage they can do misleading the unknowingly ignorant.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: bls926 on February 27, 2010, 05:39:52 am
Scary how many friends No Moccasins has on her Facebook; people who should know better. Quite a few people are posting about the Native Blood Drive March to D.C. too, like it's another Longest Walk. Apparently, there are people who are taking these people and their plans seriously. Which goes to prove, you can't take things at face value. You really need to look into things before signing up, jumping on the bandwagon, giving your support.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: taraverti on February 27, 2010, 04:38:02 pm
No Moccasins sent me a friend request on Facebook, I accepted and then researched her a little and then unfriended her in about 10 hot minutes. That's how I found out about the march and then posted it here.

Once I unfriended her, I was kind of out of the loop, but I just could not bring myself to leave her a friend, even to keep up what what she was up to.

I agree you have to be very very careful. There are so many fakes and naive people mislead by them.

 
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: ComesWithFire on February 27, 2010, 05:01:21 pm
Just one look at their website tells me everything I wanted to know......... :D ::)
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: bls926 on February 28, 2010, 09:01:32 am
Nowhere on the Native Blood Drive Facebook does it mention anything about working for federal recognition for the Chickamauga Cherokee. All the posts and comments make it sound like it's all about unity, working together, human rights, freedom, preservation, the environment, and other worthwhile causes. If you don't visit the Chickamauga website, you wouldn't know what their agenda is. (Checked the Chickamauga site tonight and it still hasn't been changed. Still talking about how the CNO denies their existence, their rights to be recognized, etc.)

They now have 1,285 fans, many of whom are planning to march.
 

NATIVE BLOOD DRIVE AUGUST 18-19, LINCOLN MEMORIAL

Basic Info
Founded:January 01, 2010

Detailed Info
Website:http://chickamaugacherokee.org
Company Overview:We are a non-profit, seeking for ALL Native Blood to Unite as never before. Separation has brought us to this....WE WILL MAKE THE CHANGE for our Ancestors, our grand-children. Join us...in this historic effort and at this Historic Event. Never before in History has such an Event for ALL Native Blood occured.
Mission:We are of Native Blood seeking Peace & Harmony with ALL Native Blood. Only by uniting will changes be made for our people. Stop discrimination. We have separated for decades...we must UNITE and gain much of what has been lost to our people.
Products:NATIVE BLOOD GATHERING APPAREL
http://www.cafepress.com/AugustMarch




And from their Wall:

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NATIVE BLOOD DRIVE AUGUST 18-19, LINCOLN MEMORIAL A few Speakers represented at the Native Blood Drive. Wado ALL Native Blood! Russell ‘StrongBow’ Cooper/Michael Bucher/Joseph Strider, Jay NightWolf WPFW radio/Ed Koban/Fred Nordhorn Color Guard/Gourd Dancers, Chickamauga Singers Healing Drum from 8000 drums, Mo Brings Plenty/Roderick GreenGrass, Ed Koban, Pam ShiningStar, Thunder With the Hands Drum Group, David ‘Storm Wolf’ Watts, Chase White Eagle.
February 24 at 10:58am

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NATIVE BLOOD DRIVE AUGUST 18-19, LINCOLN MEMORIAL A few Tribal Families represented:Tribal Families represented, Cherokee, Lakota, Cheyenne, Souix, Odawa, Ho-Chunk Nation, Oneida, Cree, Mohawk, Metis, and Shawnee, etc…Over 1 million expected
February 24 at 10:59am

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NATIVE BLOOD DRIVE AUGUST 18-19, LINCOLN MEMORIAL NATIVE BLOOD DRIVE PRESS RELEASE, TRYING TO KEEP UP, WITH IT ALL
... osiyo Join us in ALL TRIBES, ALL NATIVE BLOOD, ALL NATIONS, speaking/playing to Washington D.C. at the Lincoln Memorial on August 18-19. The United Kingdom, Russia, Austria, Germany, Mexico, Italy, Greece, has joined us to march and speak in their country. More are signing up daily...
February 24 at 11:15am

http://www.facebook.com/pages/NATIVE-BLOOD-DRIVE-AUGUST-18-19-LINCOLN-MEMORIAL/455081800014#
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on February 28, 2010, 05:12:34 pm
Could make them a 'friend' and then post questions about this pointing to where it DOES say this. Or, post link to this thread? Or, if not wanting to make them 'friend' on FB, could then just click on the friends listed and send them an email with the link to this discussion. 
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: BlackWolf on March 01, 2010, 03:00:56 am
Moma_porcupine said

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I have to wonder what privileges these people imagine they would have, if they were enrolled in the CNO, that an unenrolled descendent would be denied?

I'm not at all clear what it is they are demanding...?

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These people are demanding recognition, but recognition as what, and by who?

The Fraudulent Indian Task Force, from what I hear has been putting pressure on Public Institutions that host Presentations and Cultural Events by some of these alleged “Cherokees” and Self Declared “Cherokee Tribes”.  Some go to and have been going to places such as Public Schools, Public Libraries, State Parks, County Parks, Museums,  etc, etc and doing all sorts of programs ranging from everything to musical performances and cultural presentations to reenactments, storytelling and dance exhibitions, etc, etc.  

The Chief of this bogus Tribe ( James Billy Chance ) was doing different sorts of programs at some of the schools where they are located in Florida, ( I believe Elementary Schools, ) If you go to the Video that the Fraudulent Indian Task Force put out ( link below ), this Self Declared Chief appears there in the video.  His the one doing the presentation with the War Bonnet on.  In all likelyhood, that school district was contacted and he was exposed, and most likely won’t be doing presentations there again.  That might be part of the reason he’s so ticked off.  This has not only happened with him, put is happening across the country with these bogus groups.   ( mainly in the South East).  So in response to Moma_porcupine as to what they want, or what they can't do that an enrolled Cherokee could do, this is probably at least part of it.  The Cherokee Nation and Eastern Band discourages individuals not enrolled with one of the 3 Federally Recognzied Cherokee Tribes to speak on behalf of the Cherokee people.  Something that many individuals from these bogus groups are doing and do all the time.

It’s a lot more complicated then them just wanting the right to call themselves “Cherokees”.  There’s a lot at stake here for some of them. These bogus groups are very active across the SE working within public institutions and some have been doing it under the radar for years now ( sometimes even decades ).  As I said before, as the Cherokee Nation and Eastern Band starts to become more proactive in denouncing these frauds, we are going to see more and more conflict with these individuals and  groups.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp7Z4eiEuaw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp7Z4eiEuaw)
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: BlackWolf on March 01, 2010, 06:04:05 pm
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They deny us the right to even say that we are Cherokee, they deny us the right to sell our crafts as Cherokee Made and we are denied our Freedom of Religion to worship our Creator as we deem necessary to our spirituality.

http://www.chickamaugacherokee.org/ (http://www.chickamaugacherokee.org/)

When he talks about the right to "say we are Cherokee", he's talking about speaking as an AUTHORITY on Cherokee culture and History.  This ties into the programs and cultural events they he and his bogus Tribe are part of. 

The second demand is in relation to the Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990.

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they deny us the right to sell our crafts as Cherokee Made


And I'm assuming the third demand has something to do with the Eagle Feather law, and other issues involved with Ceremony. I know Fish and Wildlife has been active lately in some of the SE Powwows in going after violators of the Eagle Feather Law

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We educate children and adults through school programs, our website, tribal newsletters, public demonstrations, books and story fires that detail the telling of historical actions of this great nation while documenting the unique events pertaining to our people and the United States Government.

He talks about the School Programs that they do here. 

http://chickamaugacherokee.org/education/ (http://chickamaugacherokee.org/education/)

Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: BlackWolf on March 01, 2010, 06:15:39 pm
 
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We are keenly aware that war bonnets/head dresses/feather bonnets, are not a part of Cherokee Culture. Our purpose is to TEACH. When you see our Elders wearing this regalia in photo, it is for teaching purposes. Native BLOOD is Native Blood and we are ONE. The energy is beyond the photo..it is in the teaching that takes place. The Cultures of Native Americans. All Native Blood and Culture is honored when we teach. wado.

I guess he's aware that he and his group are under the microscope now.  So my question is.  If war bonnets are not part of Cherokee culture, then WHY WEAR IT, IF YOU CALL YOURSELF A CHEREOKEE?  Why not wear Traditional Cherokee regalia?  Native Blood is Native Blood?  I agree that there are certain similarities amongst Indian Tribes, but to call yourself a Cherokee, and dress up in a War Bonnet is beyond ridicules.  There’s no such thing as a Generic American Indian Culture.  These frauds are CLUELESS. 
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on March 01, 2010, 06:46:13 pm
They've set up yet another Facebook page: Non Government Mixed Blood Indians (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Non-Government-Mixed-Blood-Indians/351466681973?v=info&ref=search#!/pages/Non-Government-Mixed-Blood-Indians/351466681973?v=wall&ref=search)

Their wall (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Non-Government-Mixed-Blood-Indians/351466681973?v=info&ref=search#!/pages/Non-Government-Mixed-Blood-Indians/351466681973?v=wall&ref=search) is full of rants about how "government Indians" (as in, those who belong to real tribes) oppress them.

Full of the same rhetoric as all their other pages.

I've seen a handful of facebook members challenge them via posts on their walls and discussions (their "teaching council" and "blood drive" pages). Some linked to this thread, and reposted some of it. No Mocs is deleting all criticism and even questions about their legitimacy. In one thread someone asked if the Chickamauga are federally recognized, and some guy lied and said they were.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on March 01, 2010, 09:20:27 pm
Well, they can't get far then can they?  I mean, even with their walk in DC, if they aren't legit then they aren't legit and no amount of protest can really change that... correct?  Or is this wrong and it's possible they can get approved?  Seems unlikely to me, but what do I know..
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: LittleOldMan on March 01, 2010, 10:44:17 pm
I'm just  flat out disgusted with them.  "LittleOldMan"
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Paul123 on March 02, 2010, 12:56:50 am
All a long I have said that I don't like the name calling but dang,,
these guys are giving the real fake NDNs a bad name.... :D :D :D

Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: bls926 on March 02, 2010, 03:54:05 am
Well, they can't get far then can they?  I mean, even with their walk in DC, if they aren't legit then they aren't legit and no amount of protest can really change that... correct?  Or is this wrong and it's possible they can get approved?  Seems unlikely to me, but what do I know..

No, the Chickamauga Cherokee won't achieve federal recognition; it's doubtful they'll even get Florida to recognize them. Right now that's probably the least of our worries. I'm concerned with the half-truths and out-right lies. They've put their own spin on everything from Cherokee history to how enrolled and/or full-bloods view unenrolled mixed-bloods. They claim that all enrolled are full-bloods, that mixed-bloods will never be enrolled with their Nation, that all full-bloods hate all mixed-bloods. Lies. How many people will believe these lies? How much damage will be done? What kind of feelings will these lies engender? What will happen . . . ??


I've copied a few of the comments from the Non Government Mixed Blood Indians Facebook. Only copied the ones posted by the account owner (No Moccasins ?). I didn't copy any of the comments made by fans; although some of those are out there. Claiming that they aren't accepted by Indians or whites, denied their freedom of religion, denied access to benefits. Crazy talk.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Non-Government-Mixed-Blood-Indians/351466681973?v=wall&ref=search#

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Non Government Mixed Blood Indians To all Non-Government Mixed Blood Native Americans, welcome. You now have a home. To all those who support Native Americans, we honor you. Stand with these Mixed Bloods. Many of them have absolute documented proven ancestors, but are shunned by the Government Indians.
Sat at 12:15pm

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Non Government Mixed Blood Indians It is estimated that there are well over 12-14 million Mixed Blood Native Americans in America. Far more than the Governement Indians who call them horrific names and shun them. Please support the Mixed Bloods...ty
Sat at 12:17pm

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Non Government Mixed Blood Indians Ahh... They Let Us Be Citizens, in our Own Country
Native Americans who were not already U.S. citizens were granted citizenship in 1924 by the Congress of the United States. And this was in the time frame when thousands and thousands were in hiding. How many ancestors did not want to be a citizen of the White man's government?.....
Yesterday at 10:21am

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Non Government Mixed Blood Indians Chief Charles Hicks, Mixed Blood
Chief Charles Hicks, is one of the MANY MIXED BLOOD CHIEF"S. And yet, many Government Indians, would have us believe they are all FULL Blood...
9 hours ago


Finally, after a few days of slamming full-bloods, they've decided this evening that we should all work together.

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Non Government Mixed Blood Indians Show Honor
Relations, .....and above all we miust show honor to ALL people, our own Mixed Blood's and the Government Tribes. We may have a different viewpoint...we may not always agree....but families do that. We must stand for ALL and stand with honor ALL the time...
about an hour ago



Again, as with the Native Blood Drive March, I see a whole lot of fans that should have known better. People lending their support for these people by the simple act of accepting a friend request.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: dabosijigwokush on March 02, 2010, 05:01:45 am
in this statement they are abdicating over throwing the government
or at least succeeding from this government

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Non Government Mixed Blood Indians Ahh... They Let Us Be Citizens, in our Own Country
 this needs clarification for sure

and what is there complaint , it is not up to any government agency to validate them as natives it is up to each native nation to validate each individual, by blood line, or what ever each nation has set up as there standard, they can wine all they want, just pay you taxes and be a citizen of this country, or quot
"I CORDIALLY INVITE YOU TO RETURN TO THE LAND OF YOUR ANCESTORS" , or play you games in your clubs and stop bothering the real people, they don't care, prove your self or just get off it
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: BlackWolf on March 02, 2010, 05:46:02 am

bls926 said
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No, the Chickamauga Cherokee won't achieve federal recognition; it's doubtful they'll even get Florida to recognize them. Right now that's probably the least of our worries. I'm concerned with the half-truths and out-right lies. They've put their own spin on everything from Cherokee history to how enrolled and/or full-bloods view unenrolled mixed-bloods. They claim that all enrolled are full-bloods, that mixed-bloods will never be enrolled with their Nation, that all full-bloods hate all mixed-bloods. Lies. How many people will believe these lies? How much damage will be done? What kind of feelings will these lies engender? What will happen . . . ??

I agree bls926.  Also, I think Florida is one of the states that has a policy not to recognize Tribes outside of Federal Recognition.  I also agree that the biggest problem is all the misinformation they are spreading.  And its not like they are going to be out in Rural Florida dressing up and doing some powwow.  If they are going to be in Washington DC in front of the Lincoln Memorial or anywhere near it, we can conclude that even if they don't have a big turnout, they are going to bring attention to themselves one way or the other just by being there.  At that time of year in August, there will probably be a lot of tourist lingering around not to mention the fact that not many people are educated on the issue outside of Indian Country.  Its disturbing to imagine that these people will be out in DC spreading misinformation about the Cherokee people. 
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: bls926 on March 02, 2010, 06:56:18 am
The march and rally in August bothers me, too. The face they're showing on the Native Blood Drive Facebook is not the one on their own website. No wonder they have so many people supporting this march. On the Native Blood Facebook, it's all about unity, working together, preservation, saving the environment. Worthwhile causes we all support. Nowhere on that facebook page is their true agenda showing. How many would be supporting them if they realized the march was about federal recognition for a wannabe tribe? The Chickamauga Cherokee are conning everyone.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: lostcherokee on March 02, 2010, 11:03:03 am
Chickamauga Cherokee Teaching Council
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Chickamauga-Cherokee-Teaching-Council/225651333296
Not sure if this link has been mentioned yet ,but here it is any way
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Paul123 on March 02, 2010, 11:04:07 am
Now it's up to 3 million.

"....DancingBuffalo
well Deborah join me and a couple or three million more that are marching to Washington to stop all this"
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: LittleOldMan on March 02, 2010, 11:08:34 am
I just had this picture of my ancestors both Native and White looking at each other laughing behind their hands at some of these people trying to be something that they are not.  We are all mixed to some degree Tribes with Tribes, Tribes with White, Tribes with Black.   Celebrate all your ancestors.  The Creator made our brains capable of it.  Celebrate the totality of your blood and adopt the best each has to offer.    "LittleOldMan"  
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on March 02, 2010, 04:03:57 pm
Well, they can't get far then can they?  I mean, even with their walk in DC, if they aren't legit then they aren't legit and no amount of protest can really change that... correct?  Or is this wrong and it's possible they can get approved?  Seems unlikely to me, but what do I know..

No, the Chickamauga Cherokee won't achieve federal recognition; it's doubtful they'll even get Florida to recognize them. Right now that's probably the least of our worries. I'm concerned with the half-truths and out-right lies. They've put their own spin on everything from Cherokee history to how enrolled and/or full-bloods view unenrolled mixed-bloods. They claim that all enrolled are full-bloods, that mixed-bloods will never be enrolled with their Nation, that all full-bloods hate all mixed-bloods. Lies. How many people will believe these lies? How much damage will be done? What kind of feelings will these lies engender? What will happen . . . ??

Well, you're right about the spread of lies and misinformation. I went to bed thinking about all this.  I don't know. I mean,
I don't know what will 'happen'.  Trying to zoom out to see a very larger picture of all this.  But I just don't see where this is all going. All I can think is to suggest creating a group on FB that counters this group. And recruiting your own members to help spread the truth. I really don't know what else to say. 

You're right the lies can be damaging.  It is painful to see people believing things about you... (your self, your culture, your people) that are just bold faced lies spread about by some person who is jealous.  I know this first hand. I hate this kind of thing.  But I've never known what to do or what can be done about it.

However, Paul says 3 million?  It is hard to believe that 3 million people are just believing this hook, line and sinker.  Of course, if there is nothing out there, available, easily and readily available to them, (where they don't really have to look so hard or not at all) to counter this, then they are just going to go with the flow so to speak.  But still, 3 million people, some of them have to have more sense or idea to actually go look for facts.. I would think.  If not, then it's a really sad statement of human intelligence.

Create a page with the facts simply stated so in the first glance a person sees something true that makes them want to stick there and read more of it.  Name the page something that is akin to these other pages so the people think it's part of the 'same' thing.. and post it up.  That's about all I can think of that can really be done.  I'm sure it's already been thought of. 

Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on March 02, 2010, 06:30:28 pm
3 million? I'll be stunned if they can muster 3 hundred. Numbers on facebook do not translate to numbers in person.

And if any actual NDNs show up, I think they're going to be stunned when they realize they're surrounded by white pretendians in chicken feather war bonnets.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Paul123 on March 02, 2010, 11:41:57 pm
Blackwolf is rather good with the math on the unenrolled Cherokee, and I'm sure that he would quickly confirm that there just aren't 3 million of them out there. Unless they said "free food" or something like that. 
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: bls926 on March 03, 2010, 01:41:16 am
On February 26th, someone posted excerpts from this thread along with links. They're still there; you just have to look under "older posts".

I think they're starting to feel the heat. Apparently others are starting to question their motives, too. No Moccasins made these post yesterday and today.


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TRUTH!
Yesterday at 8:09pm
It is dishonorable to JUDGE without going to the source. Therefore, if you have questions about this Native Blood Gathering, please ask...don't go on rumor, don't go on judgement. No matter what you hear, no matter the gossip. This Native Blood Drive Gathering is for ALL Native Blood. There is definatley no money to be made...the profit lies in the gathering of ALL Native Blood to have a voice.
The D.C. Permits for the gathering....alone... are in excess of $5000.00. That is just the permits. Audio, video and everything else, not even mentioned here. There will be NOTHING sold....only gain for all Native Blood.
The hateful remarks about how it is organized....well, we are just following the rules laid down by the U.S. Parks Service and the D.C Police. Please, by all means, contact them.
We have nothing to hide!
We honor all requests.

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NATIVE BLOOD DRIVE AUGUST 18-19, LINCOLN MEMORIAL Honored Friends, we are THE Native Blood Drive Gathering group. There is no other. Many have come forth in their effort to help. We do not have any control over what they say or do. We are THE original Blood Drive Gathering Group. No other GROUP is affiliated with us. So whatever you may read, and please feel free to ask us.
3 hours ago

http://www.facebook.com/pages/NATIVE-BLOOD-DRIVE-AUGUST-18-19-LINCOLN-MEMORIAL/455081800014#
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: flyaway on March 03, 2010, 08:33:07 pm
 http://chickamaugacherokee.org/news/
I did post on the site , "I am not sure what this is all about, could you clarify, is this about getting members for the "tribe", No-Moccassins posted a lenghtly post, that it had nothing to do with gaining members for the tribe,  when I went back in to copy and paste it is gone. I also reported this group to the CNO task force, which I am a member of.
These people do not even know their traditions or teachings of the Tsalagi, simply another wannabe group. I am going to continue to follow this group. They do not even know that the Cherokee never wore a Feathered Head Dress, their ragalia is not Cherokee.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: taraverti on March 04, 2010, 01:58:14 am

Creepy logo

http://www.cafepress.com/AugustMarch

At least there are no THONGS!    :o
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: BlackWolf on March 04, 2010, 02:00:22 am
I also noticed that they now have a very extensive list of guest speakers and performers scheduled for their March on Washington.

http://chickamaugacherokee.org/guests/ (http://chickamaugacherokee.org/guests/)
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Rattlebone on March 04, 2010, 02:43:01 am
I also noticed that they now have a very extensive list of guest speakers and performers scheduled for their March on Washington.

http://chickamaugacherokee.org/guests/ (http://chickamaugacherokee.org/guests/)

One of their alleged guest speakers is Moses Brings Plenty, and they didn't even spell his name right. They just put MO.

Anyhow he is a very well known and respected person in Indian country. I have contacts with people that know him personally. I am going to get in contact with them and see if he is really going to speak for them, or if he even knows they are mentioning him.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: flyaway on March 04, 2010, 06:48:34 pm
sent to me from a friend in on their site:

No Moccasins  ...NO! It is about RIGHTS, RIGHTS given to others but not given to Native Americans. About our monuments being taken down, the destruction of our sacred sites termed 'digs' and selling the items to cover the cost of their 'dig'. It is about Native American DAY, which does not exist. They gave us the month of November, the thanksgiving month of the whites....what a slap in the face...the list goes on...
Many many, Native Blood descendants would not ever stretch out their hands and ask for their money from any governemnt.. Thier Ancestors did not....and they remain true to their ancestors. I personally have an I.D. card, but it doesn't have ANY BLOOD IN IT! The blood of my ancestors is within me.
This Native Blood Drive Gathering/Green Dot for Our Earth, has gained so much National and Inter-National attention it has been expanded to the 18 and the 19 of August.
As soon as that Event is over, The Founder of Green Dot will be leaving on a World Tour to draw more international attention to the pains of our Earth.
Walk in Peace... See More
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Rattlebone on March 05, 2010, 09:07:22 pm
I also noticed that they now have a very extensive list of guest speakers and performers scheduled for their March on Washington.

http://chickamaugacherokee.org/guests/ (http://chickamaugacherokee.org/guests/)

I was told today that Moses Brings Plenty is NOT one of their speakers. It is my understanding that he wants his name removed from this list, and had no idea he was even on it.

I would seriously question if any of the other people they are claiming are supporting them or speaking for them really are.

Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: tahcha_sapa on March 06, 2010, 12:22:32 am
This letter has been emailed around.  I don't know too much about this ThunderHawk guy but he has been denounced by a Lakota/Shoshone man who lives in Florida who is from the real Thunderhawk Family.  Has anyone ever heard of this man "Charlie ThunderHawk"?

His real name is Joe Molano.  I think it only serves to promote Joe Molano's agenda to have him continually referred to by his alias. The following information is from a post on another site on the internet about him, dated a couple of years ago, and was taken from the Federal Wildlife Officers Association site at http://www.fwoa.org/

I've uploaded a pic of him taken from the Chickamauga site and posted it here as an attachment.

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FWS and Native Americans Cooperate on Illegal Trading Conviction

Last year, members of the Native American community in Nashville, Tennessee, apprised FWS agents that Joe Angel Molano (aka Charles Thunderhawk, aka Sam Lone Wolf) was illegally trading in eagle feathers while masquerading as a Native American. The subsequent investigation led to charges against Molano for trading protected wildlife parts and products and his conviction on those charges in federal court last August. Molano was sentenced to 45 days in a federal penitentiary and a year's supervised probation, and fined $500 to reimburse the government for costs incurred during the investigation. Following the investigation, American Indian Movement (AIM) national field director Dennis Banks met with FWS officials to discuss the drafting of a resolution urging all tribal councils to cooperate with FWS law enforcement personnel in fighting illegal trafficking in wildlife. In a press release issued after the conviction, AIM had this to say: "The sentencing brings a halt to a career based on intimidation, violence, lies and disrespect for Indian Peoples and Native Spirituality. Court proceedings brought to light more than 20 aliases, nine felony arrests, and eight different Social Security numbers in the last ten years. Molano's con game was uncovered and denounced by AIM shortly after the Sundance at Pipestone in 1994. Up to then, Molano had been conducting ceremonies and sweats for money. 'This is an important step in the fight to stop the desecration of our ceremonies, sacred items and Indian Peoples", stated Dennis Banks. 'This will send a message to other phony "Medicine Men and women", Indian and non-Indian, that we will no longer tolerate the disrespect and desecration that has occurred in the past ten years.'"
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: bls926 on March 07, 2010, 11:17:37 pm
The word is getting out. It seems the Chickamauga Cherokee/Native Blood Drive are starting to feel the heat. And in good wannabe fashion, they're trying to do damage control. They lie about who they are, hide their real agenda, and we're the bad guys? This isn't the first time we've seen rants like this. How dare you question who I am. See how important I am. Look at everything I'm fighting for. I'll even mention retrieving treaties with England and Spain. Okay . . . You really need to be part of a Nation to speak about treaties.


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NAME CALLING!

Yesterday at 5:54am
We knew this time would come. Now we are being called names. We are being called 'frauds'. If the description of 'fraud' is attempting to UNITE ALL NATIVE BLOOD about the issues of Native Americans, if is asking for help with the present the suicide rate amoung Native Youth in D.C., if asking to save our Wolves, if asking to save our Sacred Sites from the white man's 'digs', if the effort going out is for Human Rights for all of Native America and others, if 'fraud' is seeking justice from discrimination, if it is attempting to have the American Indian monument replace at the White House, if it is to raise the issues of Pine Ridge to the government, if 'fraud' is UNITY, if it is the very basics of HUMAN RIGHTS, if it is working with England and Spain and retrieving the treaties there, if it is attempting to teach about the Tribes that no longer exist in this country with demo's and lectures and examples of apparel, if it is creating awareness of our Spiritual beliefs and seeking the sacred items we need to practice our spirituality, if raising awareness and hopeful of having the TRUTH taught in our schools and colleges about Native America, if 'fraud is an awakening of HUMAN RIGHTS, if it is the attempt to have all UNITE and support these causess and more.......then what are we?
If we were any other race, would these statements be made? It is proof positive that some of Native America, will continue to walk separate paths, to the destination of extinction.

There will be attempts to even pick these words apart and find fault and issues. Separation has brought us this far and it will undoubtly take some on a rutted path...as they continue to cry to deaf ears.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/NATIVE-BLOOD-DRIVE-AUGUST-18-19-LINCOLN-MEMORIAL/455081800014#



I never called them frauds. I did say they were not Indian, were not Cherokee. Oh yeah, I did call them pretendians in one e-mail. Well, if the shoe fits . . .


Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: educatedindian on March 08, 2010, 12:52:59 am
ROFL! This made my day. ;D

...so much ignorance in that one post of theirs. This really is someone who is so out of touch and doesn't know the most basic things to pass off their deception convincingly.

"...if it is attempting to have the American Indian monument replace at the White House,"

Does anyone know what the heck they're talking about? No such thing exists or has ever existed that I know of. A search online shows they're the only ones claiming this exists, outside of a flag circle the Little Shell tribe mentions from half a decade ago.

"...if it is working with England and Spain and retrieving the treaties there,"

Oh brother. I'm gonna be charitable and hope they're talking about getting the old paper treaties removed from European museums. If they actually think treaties from Europe have any legal power anymore...

And if they are trying to get the paper treaties moved back, they're just getting in the way and muddying the issue. Museums aren't gonna hand over historic items to people making phony claims about who they are.

"...if it is attempting to teach about the Tribes that no longer exist in this country with demo's and lectures and examples of apparel"

Very revealing. Apparel is what you cover a sofa with. NDNs say regalia, lady.

"If we were any other race, would these statements be made?"

You mean if they weren't white pretenders? No, actually these statements would be made just as much were whites try to speak for and pretend to be Black, Asian, etc.
 
"It is proof positive that some of Native America, will continue to walk separate paths, to the destination of extinction."

Someone needs to quit imagining NDNs still live like it's 1890. NDNs aren't in danger of dying out in the US anymore. That is still true in Colombia or Brazil, sad to say.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on March 08, 2010, 01:03:27 am
"...if it is attempting to have the American Indian monument replace at the White House,"

Does anyone know what the heck they're talking about? No such thing exists or has ever existed that I know of. A search online shows they're the only ones claiming this exists, outside of a flag circle the Little Shell tribe mentions from half a decade ago.

Maybe they put some of their "tribal thongs" on the statues of Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington, etc and are pissed off that the Park Service removed them. ;D
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: apukjij on March 10, 2010, 12:31:40 pm
well you never called them frauds bls, but i will, and i consider this group dangerous, i was on their FB acct, and the "soveran" (i use that term cause they remind me of the camel eye phonies) rhetoric that dave cada (who has canadian status) spouts is is more than just your everyday propaganda, its clever, cunning and decieving, from thier FB site:
       "The time to begin the process of a walk to the government offices to protest and demand our rights, freedom and justice for our people. A time for all Natives across the Americas to protest once and for all the ill-treatment and broken promises, crimes and treaties that the government has committed on our peoples of Turtle Island. This group is to rally a call to wake all of us Natives up and rally against the governments of Americas and to speak up in a march towards the governments doorsteps with all of our Nations of Aboriginals in unity. A rally cry to all of our people to stand up and be accounted for, because we will no longer stand in self pity while our land and resources are being stolen from underneath us. A time to protest at the governments offices and beat our drums and yell out with our strongest voices that we are no longer going to take it anymore. The line has been drawn and the promises have all been broken for centuries. We(our Native brothers and sisters) are one now in unity, and we have all come together to stand up for what is ours and what has been promised, no matter how long it takes. We are not the outsiders here, this is our land and we did not lose no wars to surrender it."

joseph goebbels couldnt have done better, because hes status and lived on da Rez, he knows exactly what buttons to push in his rhetoric, and while on his group he sent out many missives each day like that, it actually breaks my Heart to see such talent go to waste advocating for the chickenmonga tribe of fl. if i was christian id say this was evil.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: flyaway on March 11, 2010, 02:52:57 am
And here once again we have another group, very interesting site, check out there trading post!

Chickamauga Cherokee Indian Creek Band

Seek Federal Recognition
 
http://www.manataka.org/page1689.html


reported to CNO task Force as it appears they are selling CNO patches.

They just keep on coming. ??? :-[
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: bls926 on March 11, 2010, 05:19:28 am
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NEWS FLASH

Chickamauga Cherokee Indian Creek Band
Seek Federal Recognition


The Indian Creek Band of the Chickamauga Creek and Cherokee seek support from the public to inspire Congressman Mica (R - FL) to accept and support their bid for Federal Recognition.

Chief Old Billy Bowleggs designated the Indian Creek Band as keepers of the history for all Chickamauga Cherokee.

http://www.manataka.org/page1689.html


Here's a NEWS FLASH . . . The Indian Creek Band of Chickamauga Cherokee are not Indian; they are not Cherokee.



This is the same bunch who is organizing the Native Blood Drive. They have an ad for the rally on Manataka. http://www.manataka.org/page493.html  It sounds more like what they're saying on their own site http://www.chickamaugacherokee.org/ (federal recognition for their tribe of wannabes) than what they're proclaiming on the Native Blood Drive facebook http://www.facebook.com/pages/NATIVE-BLOOD-DRIVE-AUGUST-18-19-LINCOLN-MEMORIAL/455081800014?v=app_2347471856#  (unity, preservation, human rights, saving the environment).

They also have the Non Government Mixed Blood Indians facebook. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Non-Government-Mixed-Blood-Indians/351466681973?v=info#  That one's full of twisted facts and out-right lies.

Another facebook group they have is The Chickamauga Cherokee Teaching Council. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Chickamauga-Cherokee-Teaching-Council/225651333296#  They teach things like the Cherokee Prayer Blessing; you know the one where moccasins make happy tracks in the snow and a rainbow is on your shoulder.

The Chickmauga Cherokee in Deltona, Florida are really making a name for themselves this year.

I can't believe the number of people who are friends/fans on their pages. Apparently very few take the time to read anything, before they confirm a friend request. Shaking my head.

Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on March 11, 2010, 07:16:39 am
Yes, we have a long thread on them here: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2335.0
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: bls926 on March 13, 2010, 04:21:20 pm
They've added an extra day to this fiasco, due to the huge interest. Guess we haven't been vocal enough about what's going on, haven't gotten the truth out there. It's either that or the wannabes outnumber real Indians. Now that's a sad thought.


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NATIVE BLOOD DRIVE..EXTENDED 17-18-19
Wed at 7:27am
The Native Blood Drive gathering in Washiington D.C./Lincoln Memorial has been extended another day. We will now be gathering on August 17, 18 and 19. We have just HAD to add the 17th becasue of the great interest in this Historical Gathering.
So many Tribal Families and Speakers are asking to have a VOICE and others wishing to be in attendance....the 17th of August has been added to the calander.
We are deeply honored that we have brought about such interest and Native Blood is willing to speak and perform to get the word out about: discrimination, Leonard Peltier, the American Indian statue being replace in front of the White House, Federal Native American Day, the suicide rates in Native youth, the atrocities in the West this winter, allowing religious freedom to American Indians, to name just a few.
There is so much, it would take more than THREE days to get it all out. We intend to do our best.
Join us in ALL TRIBES, ALL NATIVE BLOOD, Mixed Bloods, Non-Government Indians, ALL NATIONS, speaking/playing to Washington D.C. at the Lincoln Memorial on August 18-19. The United Kingdom, Russia, Austria, Germany, Mexico, Italy, Greece, has joined us to march and speak in their country. More are signing up daily. We are honored to ask you to attend, speak, play at the NATIVE BLOOD DRIVE in Washington. Native Blood has been separated for to many decades, we will join together as brothers and sisters and make our voice heard. We have Russell ‘StrongBow’ Cooper, Michael Bucher, Joseph Strider, Jay NightWolf from WPFW radio, Ed Koban, Fred Nordhorn with the Color Guard & Gourd Dancers, Chickamauga Singers Healing Drum from 8000 drums, Roderick GreenGrass, Pam ShiningStar, Thunder With the Hands Drum Group, David ‘Storm Wolf’ Watts and many, many others to perform, dance, play and speak at this historic event. Presently we have the following Tribal Families represented, Cherokee, Lakota, Cheyenne, Souix, Odawa, Ho-Chunk Nation, Oneida, Cree, Mohawk, Metis, Shawnee, Head Sachem of the Notoweega, Pottawatomie Native American, also the Native Hawaiians and Alaskans will be represented. Why does Native Hawaii stand on a waiting list?
etc…Over 1 million expected. Native America needs ALL NATIVE BLOOD to attend, speak, play, tell the government we will no longer be treated as rubbish, the right to practice our religion [spirituality], to stop killing Mother Earth...the list's of our treatment is endless...please join us with your Tribal Family. Look where separation as brought us. We have separated from one another and our Earth.
We are honored to ask for your voice, to attend, speak, and/or perform at this historic endeavor. For more info please contact me.
Event Co-coordinator
No_moccasin_woman@yahoo.com
Our goals, in representing Native America, are an attempt to stop the discrimination and make the government take NOTICE of all Native Blood. i.e., the atrocities, in ND, and all around the country. The attempt to make Federal Laws honor at least one of the many treaties they have broken, to stop taking Native Land, TO KEEP THEIR TREATIES AND PROMISES, so long broken. To stand in mass as ONE BLOOD, and let Federal Government, know we are still here. To speak, of the treatment of Mother Earth and the atrocities being laid there. To ask the U.S. Government to 'Free Leonard' after his wrongful imprisonment. To ask why so many Native Bloods are left out of claiming their heritage, the list's are endless...it is in general for a better life, Human Rights, a new recognition of Native Blood. This discrimination, not allowing us the Freedom of religion that, they have. The very reason Anglo’s came here in the beginning.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/NATIVE-BLOOD-DRIVE-AUGUST-18-19-LINCOLN-MEMORIAL/455081800014?v=app_2347471856#

Edit to add link.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: educatedindian on March 13, 2010, 05:45:08 pm
I don't think it's actually getting that much attention and will probably be a huge failure. What they actually said was that, as long as their permit is for three days, why not have the event last three days.

Online this thing is mentioned on a grand total of 33 sites according to google, and almost all of those are facebook pages, including ones in Japan and China and Korea and Thailand where they apparently repost anything that seems NDN related. I really doubt anyone will come all the way from Thailand for this thing though.

They're calling for or claiming there will be 1 million people, but I'd be amazed if they get even 1/1,000 of that. My guess is there will be a couple dozen so called Chickamaugas surrounded by a few hundred curious or gullible people, plus a few activists there to raise the profile of serious issues like Peltier.

Even their petition for this thing, it has a grand total of 88 signatures. Maybe 1/5 of them from Europe.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: bls926 on March 14, 2010, 04:26:30 pm
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I don't think it's actually getting that much attention and will probably be a huge failure.


Al, I think you're being overly optimistic.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: educatedindian on March 15, 2010, 09:07:09 pm
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I don't think it's actually getting that much attention and will probably be a huge failure.


Al, I think you're being overly optimistic.

I don't think so. As others pointed out, what can they possibly hope to achieve by this march? The feds will never recognize them and neither will the three actual Cherokee tribes. Playing NDN in public for three days won't change much, and likely some of the actual activists who show up will go away from this knowing better than to have anything to do with the so called Chickamaugas again.

Look at who they list as showing up anyway. Basically themselves, their own drum groups, honor guards, etc. Also...

"The United Kingdom, Russia, Austria, Germany, Mexico, Italy, Greece, has joined us to march and speak in their country."

I'm guessing that the whole country is not coming over...likely they found a few naive people in each place.

"Jay NightWolf from WPFW radio"

He runs a one hour a week local radio show on Native issues. How could he not show up? Say's he Taino.

"Russell ‘StrongBow’ Cooper, Michael Bucher, Joseph Strider"

Strider's a musician who likely thinks he's there for a good cause. Being Lipan (there two unrecognized Lipan bands in south Texas) probably makes him sympathetic. Bucher is also a musician, Cherokee. Also a Mohawk musician, Ed Koban, and a Hochunk one, Greengrass.

Cooper's from the Tallige Cherokee, an unrecognized bunch in Ohio. They have a dubious history themselves. See this older thread.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=870.5;wap2

"Pam ShiningStar...David ‘Storm Wolf’ Watts"
These two are Chickamaugas. Big deal. Do they have even one notable speaker for this event? Even one credible group backing them up?

And these musicians, are they being paid to come there?

"...the following Tribal Families represented, Cherokee, Lakota, Cheyenne, Souix, Odawa, Ho-Chunk Nation, Oneida, Cree, Mohawk, Metis, Shawnee"
Basically, that's the musicians, dubious people claiming to be Cherokee, and "Souix" and supposed "Metis tribe". Anyone else think they're not likely to be credible people?

Also... "Head Sachem of the Notoweega."
That's yet another unrecognized bunch in Ohio. Their "tribal" homepage is actually...a myspace page. And it hasn't even been logged into in two years. They do sell their "tribal flags" on the Manataka website for 120 bucks. And they were part of a shared powwow in Logan OH four years ago. http://www.melungeons.com/union/Tribal_Gathering2006.htm
http://www.myspace.com/notoweeganation

But other than that, little sign of them.

Really, how likely is it they can get even 1000 people there? And most of them will be there to see the musicians.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on March 15, 2010, 10:42:44 pm
Only those who've never organized a March on Washington (and probably never attended one) would be so naive as to think a Facebook page with 1,668 "fans" will result in 1,000,000 people showing up in person. Most of the people on there have accepted "friendship" requests from that group without even bothering to see what the group is about.

Look at all the organizing that went into the Million Man March, how well publicized it was. Million people? No.

I attended a number of well-organized Marches on Washington in the eighties, including the 1981 Pentagon mobilization (against the war in Central America), anti-nuclear demos, and gay rights marches at the height of the AIDS pandemic. These were run by skilled, seasoned anti-war veterans, gay rights groups, women's groups, etc., with sometimes a year lead-time to build on grass-roots organizing, and convoys of chartered buses bringing loads of demonstrators from major cities. We never got a million people. And there are far, far more anti-war and anti-AIDS activists out there than there are pretendians. Bragging on the intarwebs don't make it so.

Check this group out http://www.facebook.com/pages/Native-BloodOrgans-drive-23rd-December-2012-Atlantis/329992728669?ref=nf

If they were as aggressive as the Pretendians they'd have just as many fans by now, too.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on March 16, 2010, 01:52:30 am
Well, most people are not going to take time off work and pay the expenses of this sort of trip to DC unless it is something they are deeply passionate about. I just don't think there's that many people deeply passionate about this group and what they're mis-informing they are after. 
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Unegv Waya on March 16, 2010, 07:20:14 am
Whitewolf said

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I sent a letter to Rep. Watson about HR 2824 and HR 2761, asking her what had been done to assist the Freedmen with any difficulties they are experiencing due to their change in CN citizen status.  I never got a reply.  Since then I have looked at a lot of the business that has been presented to the congress and never once found even a proposal to do anything to assist the Freedmen directly.  Seems the only thing that ever went to congress were the two bills Watson submitted to punish the CN.  

In my mind that says that the sponsors of those bills were not acting in the Freedmen's best interest as they, the sponsors, are trying to portray.

Again, if I've got this wrong please set me straight.

wado

But Whitewolf, what would make the Freedmen descendents any different from the millions of other descendents of slaves in this country?

Sorry to have taken so long to reply, Black Wolf.  Medical matters had me occupied for a bit but all is well now.

In my mind, the feds already designated the Freedmen as a unique cultural group if not racial group.  If memory serves, some of those Freedmen were not former slaves of the Cherokee but just part of the many former slaves that existed after the civil war.  Unless I've totally misunderstood the legal history of the time, these Freedmen were not considered citizens of the US so the feds did not want to have to separate any of them for repatriation as they were never really considered US citizens in the first place.  That is why the treaty of 1866 came about - to make the Freedmen citizens of the Cherokee nation and not US citizens.  At least that one of the major purposes it served for the feds of the day.

Now that some of those Freedmen, or rather their descendants, do not meet the citizen requirements of the CN, under the same basic guidelines used and accepted to determine heritage by the BIA itself, they are placed in a unique position of no longer having the steward that will represent them to the feds.  As a result the feds need to establish some sort of formal arrangements with the Freedmen in order so that what ever assistance was designated for their welfare as part of the stewardship can be given directly to the Freedmen themselves.  

Maybe a simpler way to put is is this; the issue seems to be that some Freedmen no longer receive the benefits that members of the CN receive.  Part of what the feds pay the CN annually is for the Freedmen.  So, why not just take that amount any give it to the Freedmen directly without the CN being the middle man or manager?  I mentioned recognizing the affected Freedmen as their own unique group because something like that would likely have to occur so that the Freedmen can receive the assistance directly.  I could be wrong though.

Make any sense or is it just ramblings?


Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: BlackWolf on March 16, 2010, 09:35:13 pm
The Freedmen were already compensated and given Cherokee Nation citizenship in 1866.  The "descendents of Freedmen" today have no right to Cherokee Nation Citizenship because they don't have a blood quantum on the Dawes Rolls.


Tribes get services for their members because of Treaties, there's nothing specific for the descendents of Freedmen.  The slaves of white people in the South were treated just as bad as the slaves of Cherokees. And the descendents of the slaves of whites don't get any special privledges, so why should the descendents of slaves of Cherokees get a special status?



Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Unegv Waya on March 16, 2010, 09:46:19 pm
Ah, that is where I missed something, Black Wolf.  I had the impression that as part of the 1866 treaty compensation for accepting the Freedmen the feds had increased the federal allotment to the Cherokee.  Seems that wasn't the case.  Thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: BlackWolf on March 16, 2010, 09:55:01 pm
Also, the Cherokee Nation was the first of the 5 Tribes to free their slaves in 1863, 3 years before the 1866 Treaty. 
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: dabosijigwokush on March 18, 2010, 12:11:59 pm
new twist on things but it refers as no moccasins is the organizer

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=255394333108&ref=nf
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on March 18, 2010, 07:21:40 pm
new twist on things but it refers as no moccasins is the organizer

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=255394333108&ref=nf

A Large Protest Rally Call - 2010 the Year of the Natives of Americas
(http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=255394333108&ref=nf)
If you look up-thread, this is how some of this mess started. David Cada (does anyone actually know him in person?) created that facebook page, and aggressively friended tons of people. As it was originally presented as a call for NDN people and allies to organize and do a march or marches this summer, many of us thought it sounded like a good cause to support.

Then he posted that they were merging the event with the Chickamauga debacle and trusting "No Moccasins" as the organizer of the DC rally. Whoah. A few of us wrote him, including links to the Chickamauga website and our concerns about her and her group. He didn't seem to get it that it's not a good idea to let a fraudulent tribe and a bunch of pretendians represent NDNs. He wrote me saying that "all tribes" and "all degrees of blood" are welcome, and urging me to "get on board" ... Um, No thanks; unfriended.

He seemed to completely miss the point that there's a problem when you don't look closely at the agenda, goals and history of the people you're trusting to organize, and how they are using the event to promote their profile and agenda. So my question - which he never answered - is: Does he not know the Chickamauga are frauds? Did he not look at any of the information sent to him by people he tried to solicit as participants/organizers, or does he just not care? At this point his actions lead me to believe he supports the Chickamauga pretendian agenda.

Even if he didn't go into this with the agenda to promote pretendians as spokespeople for NDNs, he is now supporting that agenda by allying with that group.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: bls926 on March 19, 2010, 01:52:32 am
new twist on things but it refers as no moccasins is the organizer

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=255394333108&ref=nf

A Large Protest Rally Call - 2010 the Year of the Natives of Americas
(http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=255394333108&ref=nf)
If you look up-thread, this is how some of this mess started. David Cada (does anyone actually know him in person?) created that facebook page, and aggressively friended tons of people. As it was originally presented as a call for NDN people and allies to organize and do a march or marches this summer, many of us thought it sounded like a good cause to support.

Then he posted that they were merging the event with the Chickamauga debacle and trusting "No Moccasins" as the organizer of the DC rally. Whoah. A few of us wrote him, including links to the Chickamauga website and our concerns about her and her group. He didn't seem to get it that it's not a good idea to let a fraudulent tribe and a bunch of pretendians represent NDNs. He wrote me saying that "all tribes" and "all degrees of blood" are welcome, and urging me to "get on board" ... Um, No thanks; unfriended.

He seemed to completely miss the point that there's a problem when you don't look closely at the agenda, goals and history of the people you're trusting to organize, and how they are using the event to promote their profile and agenda. So my question - which he never answered - is: Does he not know the Chickamauga are frauds? Did he not look at any of the information sent to him by people he tried to solicit as participants/organizers, or does he just not care? At this point his actions lead me to believe he supports the Chickamauga pretendian agenda.

Even if he didn't go into this with the agenda to promote pretendians as spokespeople for NDNs, he is now supporting that agenda by allying with that group.

Kathryn, things have definitely changed since your e-mails with Cada. I don't want to go into all the details right now, but things are not as they were. Guess many people have written to him about the Chickamauga Cherokee and he is listening.

I fully support 2010 the Year of the Natives of Americas and everything they stand for. However, I cannot and will not be a part of it as long as the pretendians are front and center. I don't think it'd be a big deal if No Moccasins and her bunch attended the rally as descendants and/or concerned individuals. However, it cannot be about them or any of the other pretendians trying for recognition. We all lose credibility if we accept these wannabes as Indian. However, I think our chances of getting them to admit that they aren't Indian are somewhere between slim and none at all.

Apukjij, in reply to your thoughts about this rally and Dave Cada . . . I don't see any similarities between what he believes and the Camel Eye Treaty bunch. He hasn't fabricated history, as they have. His concerns and grievances are genuine. The same can't be said about the CET wackos.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Paul123 on March 28, 2010, 01:02:39 pm
A small update: ;)
http://chickamaugacherokee.org/police/

As of about the 9th of this month they have changed their titles from "Police" Officers to "Security" Officers.
 Yet their I.D. cards still say "Sheriff's Officer"---"Authorized only on tribal land".

That tribal land would only be on their one lot in Deltona Florida.  (as I suspected).

http://chickamaugacherokee.org/PhotoAlbums/album_1260039781/
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 23, 2010, 07:37:40 pm
As far as I can tell, McKillip's page, the March page, and other "Chickamauga" pages disappeared from Facebook a few weeks ago.

But now they've reincarnated:

March on Washington DC Native Blood Civil Rights August 17-18-19, 2010 (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=105766162797986&v=info)

McKillip's public profile: Jeanie McKillip (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000982600595)

But you can become her "fan" at this page: No Moccasins (http://www.facebook.com/pages/No-Moccasins/114367051925667?v=info&ref=mf)
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: flyaway on April 24, 2010, 02:21:45 am
http://chickamaugacherokee.org/blue/

Found this interesting. I did note that for a long  time No Moccasins was adding friends 20-24 at a time, all day long.
Haven't seen a pst in a while.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: flyaway on May 13, 2010, 10:48:39 pm
Chickamauga Cherokee Indian Creek Band Home

http://chickamaugacherokee.org/

This is so out there, I am at lost for words. Seems like a new sight, with the Creek now part of all this mess. :-\
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: apukjij on May 19, 2010, 03:12:30 pm
I noticed a change on Dave Cada's FB page, they have changed the date of the protest to June, the reason is below, and they have also enlisted the aid of AIM-Santa Barbara to spread word about the protest:
****UPDATE****

IMPORTANT NOTICE******************************************************************
Due To the protest of the Chickamauga Cherokee people, I wish to give them the space they need and not interfere with their separate issue with the government for their individual rights for their tribe. I wish them the best of luck on Aug 18.

Also it has come to my attention that there are fraudsters trying to milk money under the false guide of charity for Aug 18 which I, myself, frown upon. These people are leaches and try to freeload off anybody these days.

For these reasons, and many more, the protest will be changed and held on a much more significant date, one that will commemorate our past as well as our futures. In honor of those leaders from our past that have fought for our freedoms and our rights, such as Sitting Bull, Pontiac, Tecumseh, Geronimo and others, we will continue their fight with a peaceful protest. United and Strong.

June 23, 24, 25 will be those days. The last day will symbolize the day Sitting Bull defeated General Custer during the Last Stand. The day one of our greatest leaders from our Native Culture fought for our rights and our freedoms in unity and strength with other tribes. This day will symbolize all those leaders who did the same, who united many nations to stand against those who have tried to end the lives of all Native people. Natives and leaders, who stood up in unity and fought against genocide and our rights to the land of our Creator and died to keep those who are here today, alive and building back our way of life.

We will come together all across the Continent from Canada, to the US (from New York to Mexico). Natives all over the world will stand, including those who have been forced out by the government through the kidnapping of our children and adoptions outside our nation.

In Canada we will join with Red Power United on their National Day of Action and with the US and other nations joining, we will make this event the biggest protest that these governments have ever seen. One that will stand for Pride, and the other to stand to show these governments that we are here and we will not go away, our treaties and our rights as a nation must be respected. We are sovereign people on the land that are ancestors roamed free, we are our own nation, not part of theirs.

When these days are done, these three days will become a National Native Holiday for all of us to remember those of our past and also the day our Nation stood back up, together.

Let us honor our ancestors with the pride and the strength to carry on our traditions and customs on our own free will. Let us stand for our rights to be a Nation, not one of their slaves to others and their corporations. The right to our lands and self government, the right to build our economy and the right to decide our fate is what we want.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: corine68 on May 19, 2010, 04:52:34 pm
Good Morning relatives- David Cada, like many other people, feel they can post their stuff, promote their cause or whatever on our FACE BOOK Group page. We really do not like that- so when we come across people using our page to promote themselves or pirate our facebook group page members, we usually delete it. David Cada's post was there on our Facebook Group page, so we just deleted his post - Mr. Cada has NEVER taken the time or etiquette to introduce himself to us, before doing this act numerous times....so because of this and other reasons we have no interest, desire or anything else to work with him. Bests, Corine Fairbanks AIM SB
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: apukjij on May 19, 2010, 07:56:45 pm
TY Corine, for the clarification!
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Diana on July 07, 2010, 06:40:20 am
Found this on powwows.com, seems like they're going ahead with this sham of a protest.

http://www.nativegatherings.com/events/index.php?com=detail&eID=14509&month=08&year=2010


Native American Civil Rights Gathering in Washington DC
  PRESS RELEASE as of July 1st, 2010



On August 17th, 18th and 19th in Washington DC at the Lincoln Memorial there will be a Native American Mixed-Bloods March to bring attention to the facts concerning the discrimination that is being conjured up by the Grand Council of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, by the BIA and the United States Government. Those of us that are of Mixed-Blood ancestry are looked upon as being Non-Native American when many of us have more Native American Blood flowing through our veins than those that sit in judgment of us. There are many mixed-bloods that have been disenfranchised by the Federal Recognized Tribal Councils with permission given to them by the United States Government, who should never have been kicked off the American Indian Roll’s in the first place. That also goes for the Cherokee Freedmen as well; these are the descendants of the African slaves that played a very important role in our culture during the 1700’ and 1800’s as they aided their respective tribes sometimes with their very lives. Many of the Cherokee Freedmen of today are Cherokee by Blood who possess more Cherokee Blood than that of the Thin Blood White Cherokee that kicked them off the membership rolls of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. This should never have happened, but the way that I view it is that it was the greed for money that brought this about and it was for political gain. We are not pointing the finger at the citizens of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, nor the citizens of the Eastern Band of Cherokee, but we are pointing to the Councils of these two Federal Recognized Tribes that have done this.

   We only want to be known for whom we actually are, our skin may be different in color, some of us are light skinned and some are darker skinned but we are still Native Americans. We want to practice our Religion as the Great Creator guides us to, but we are not allowed to do so because of regulations against our practices. We once used the feathers of the Mighty Eagle in our ceremonies but we are no longer permitted to do this. We are not wanting to take the life of the Great Eagle to do these ceremonies because taking a life should only be done for food, we only would like to use the feathers that have been taken by the government who keeps them in a repository only to be given out to very few to use as such. When the white man came to America they came to have “Freedom of Religion” but yet the white man took away that freedom from ALL Native Americans. Now why would a people leave a country for religious freedom to come to another country and impose the same regulations that these Pilgrims were running from onto the first inhabitants in their new country. The white man took our lands, took away our Religious Freedom and has tried to take away our identity, but yet we fight on to regain what has been stripped from us. We honor Mother Earth but the white man does not respect the land; do you remember the television commercials that showed Iron Eyes Cody with tears in his eyes over the trash in the rivers and along the highways of America? Native Americans believe that Mother Earth should be as clean as it was when our ancestors trod over this land. The skies are polluted, the air is stagnant, the land is trashed but yet we go on our merry way not paying attention to it and saying let the next person take care of it I’m too busy, sooner or later there will be nothing left for us to take care of if we do not wakeup to the reality of what is taking place.

 We are expecting over one million people of the Native American community to join with us in this endeavor. We will have many well known performers and guest speakers at this gathering. Won’t you also join with us during these three days as Native America speaks out!! The following Countries and U.S. States are rallying in support of this historic cause: Canada, UK, Russia, Austria, Germany, Mexico, Italy, Greece, Norway, Bulgaria, Republic of South Africa, New Zealand, Australia, India, Sri Lanka. The States are NY, MN, WA, OR, GA, FL and MO. We are being contacted daily with more and more asking to support this cause.



Wado (Thanks),

Events Coordinator:

Kermit Manis

Indian Creek Band Chickamauga Cherokee Inc.

peacefuleagle@embarqmail.com


Events Coordinator

No_Moccasins_Woman@yahoo.com

 

SCHEDULE of EVENTS:

AUGUST 17-18-19


Blessings of the Grounds

With drums

 Principal Chief James Billy Chance of the Indian Creek Band Chickamauga, Creek & Cherokee: speaker

 Terry Nichols, Green Dot for Earth: speaker






















 

 
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: paula on July 20, 2010, 07:31:05 pm
i have met chance and his wife.  if you look at their info it all involves the same 4 people.  when i first met chance he flat out said he was part of the cherokee nation called chickmauga which was the record keepers for the cherokee.  when i met him the internet and information wasnt available on line like it is today.  he also said he would teach us about the cherokee heritage.  all he did was talk about HIS heritage and why HE was chief.  it became obvious that we would not being hearing stories of the people pretty quickly.  he was even over a decade ago talking about land deals and such.  he goal back then was to have a working thriving indian village that people could come to and see (for a price of course) and purchase authentic indian works of art (clothes/jewelry etc).

it became clear to some of us who knew him them and saw him recently exactly what those goals have changed to.  the way he handled problems in the tribe wasnt acceptable by any standards.  he did not investigate not seek out truth.  he simply made decisions usually in anger and if you questioned him then you were a traitor and werent interested in truth.

even knowing some spouses didnt want to become members of the tribe they were marked as members through marriage.  recently ive learned he has said untrue (and flat out lies) about women who left the "tribe" or men who respectfully decline to continue.  he has removes them from "positions of authority" without even attempting to follow his own rules.  he calls people horrible names and when confronted sounds crazy. 

his goal is to get land for his "tribe" - to live there with free healthcare, food, shelter, electric - just free everything - it isnt even about pretending to have a village anymore.  any money donated to the green dot earth goes back to the chief - if you look you'll see terry, chance and family and no moccasins throughout and only on the pages.

hope that clarifies exactly what his goals are

(ps he has also stated he lived on a reservation in alabama, was a defense attorney making 1.5 million per case, and the cherokee people are out to get him) 

i feel bad for all the people he misleads because a lot of his lies and information are only now being brought to light
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Mato Istime on July 23, 2010, 08:44:30 pm
Quote
You can see his picture along with the other fake Cherokees under the Member Photos at this link 
http://www.chickamaugacherokee.org/
He is the one with the long hair and the blue ribbon shirt in the portrait with two women and a younger man in uniform with the title at the bottom of the picture saying Bamburg Family
- NPIE

I couldn't get those pics to load, but the "Membership Application" on that site ("MEMBERS APP 1" in left hand nav bar, opens up a PDF) specifically says:

"YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE NATIVE AMERICAN TO BECOME A MEMBER OF THE INDIAN CREEK BAND CHICKAMAUGA CREEK INC"

On the "OUR STORE" page, they are selling books by "Chief James Billy Chance", including Red Road to Shamanism, book 1 & 2. The author is also available to chat via MSN Chat. The "Make a Donation" link is on every page of the site. Clicking on "THE CHIEF" gives you some pictures, complete with "war bonnet" and tomahawk. He also goes by "Little Red Wolf", and his wife goes by "Cheyenne Autumn." Some rather interesting photos under "Elders", as well.

Somehow I think we would have figured out that being NDN is not a requirement for this group, even if they hadn't stated it in their membership application. But for those who don't click on the membership link, or don't know much about NDNs... I guess maybe they do hire this guy to show up at schools in that getup. It's disturbing that anyone might go to this group for information on NDNs.

Despite not being NDNs, they say they are petitioning for Federal recognition, with this rather odd statement:

"Please, Please, sign this online petition it is so important to our people.
Even if you do not wish to live on the reservation, what of your children?"

Uh, what reservation? A reservation for non-Native hobbyists? Whuh?

same here I couldn't get them to load either, and as i said in the Sweat Lodge Deaths thread......detractors
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: paula on July 24, 2010, 11:26:03 am


the page takes a good 15 minutes or more to load - not sure if anyone else noticed but on his fb page - he is shown wearing the war bonnet again.  the page shows a LOT of old time photos and that is what most of them are.  id say out of the 400 and something photos maybe 60 (?) take place in the last 70 years??
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Mato Istime on July 24, 2010, 07:21:31 pm


the page takes a good 15 minutes or more to load - not sure if anyone else noticed but on his fb page - he is shown wearing the war bonnet again.  the page shows a LOT of old time photos and that is what most of them are.  id say out of the 400 and something photos maybe 60 (?) take place in the last 70 years??

Link please
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: paula on July 24, 2010, 09:32:52 pm
here's the link for fb :

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/profile.php?id=737421389&ref=ts

he also put a notice about no longer being associated william anderson.

here is terry's fb: 
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/profile.php?id=1621659227&ref=ts

terry is aggressively asking people (especially new friends) for money.  not sure how much they are at.  but i did notice the petition online is for state recognition yet the website and fb accounts says federal.  maybe he's going for both?   
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: paula on July 24, 2010, 09:38:19 pm
i meant to post this earlier.  by the picture in the middle of the website for ruth muskat it now says she was not a member but was related to people in the tribe


http://chickamaugacherokee.org/ruthmuskrat/
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: paula on July 26, 2010, 07:03:25 pm
just found another post by jbc:

http://www.hollywoodoutbreak.com/2009/11/12/stephen-j-cannell-james-garner-post-stroke-is-doing-good/comment-page-1/

Principal Chief James Billy Chance
January 30th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Osiyo Cousin James,
It been some time sents we did the movie (Tank ) at Fort Benning, Georgia, and I would hold your beer out side the Out Post Bar at the front Gate at Fort Benning, I have heard of you being down sick, and pray you are doing much better. I was going to ask you to come to Washington DC, on August 18 and 19 , 2010 to be the guess speak for over one million Mix Bleed Cherokee People who are fight for their rights and history to be who they are Chickamauga Cherokee. This is a fight about rights for their history , Religion, and to make their crafts and to just say who they are.
I know cousin James you have been down sick , and this is asking a lot of you, but their is over one million people who are fight for their rights, just to be who they are. We had many good time making the movie at Fort Benning, we had fun talking about farming and chickens, and other things. I know longer live in Alabama and move to Florida, but if you see you can, and your health is better here is my address Cousin.
Office
1352 East Lombardy Drive
Deltona, Florida 32725
office phone 386-574-3291
E-mail (bchance2@cfl.rr.com )
web site (chickamaugacherokee.org )
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on July 26, 2010, 07:29:06 pm
Maybe I'm not getting something here, but I fail to understand why these "one million people" can't be who they are?  Is someone telling them they can't be who they are?  If all they were concerned about was 'being who they are'.. then there would be none of this that they are doing, they'd just simply be who they are. Which means they are doing all this for some other reason, which I think is money. They want government to give them money. If there were no funding from gov, then they wouldn't be doing this.. this isn't about them wanting their rights to be who they are.. it's about them wanting to have a right and access to money. 
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: paula on July 26, 2010, 08:51:16 pm
it IS about money!  chance just sent an email to a select few regarding this "march":

Osiyo Tribal Council,
      As your Principal Chief It is My Duty to feel you in on what has taken place, last week Headmother No Moccisan Woman and I had a three way talk with Director Terry Nichols, at which time he tells the both of us that we need to come up with about $150,000.00 in the next four weeks before Washington DC.well Mother and I both had a red flag go up. We had been told from the very start that we need to get the people to come to Washington DC. that he had about 500 very large Corporation backing him.
     Well today I ask Vice Chief Little Brother Vossburg to call the United State Park Service in Washington DC, and ask them if the permits have ever been pulled for the 16 , 17, 18, 19, 20 of August 2010, and they have no record of any premits being pulled. Plus we were told that there would have been paperwork sent from the park service 6 months prior (to the event) to tribal office.
     We  been transfering all the money that has came into this office to the Green Dot For The Earth thinking this was all on the level and up and up.
     I have told Headmother No Moccisan Woman in order to save what we can of this program to start transfering every thing to the Earth Day Program next year in 2011.
     As your Principal Chief all I can say is I am sorry, we have been taken in, but we can try to save what we can by moving this program to the Earth Day program in 2011.
     As your Principal Chief all of this falls on me, I should have seem this coming, but did not, this all falls on my head, I am very sorry about this.
 
Wado
 
Principal Chief James Billy Chance
1352 East Lombardy Drive
Deltona, Florida 32725
Phone 386-574-3291
E-mail (bchance2@cfl.rr.com )
Web Site ( chickamaugacherokee.org. )


one of the people notified terry and he was pissed that chance did this to him.  he was not told that he was going to take the fall for all of this.  terry said he advised chance that there was no backers and hadnt been since january.  he said he cant cancel because he has already put deposits down on so he'll be there with a sign.  he was very upset that chance sent this email out to a select few but never told him that he was taking the blame for chance and said he had reciepts for everything and could account for what chance wanted. 
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: BlackWolf on August 12, 2010, 06:19:29 pm
I thought this was interesting.  James Billy Chance who goes by the title of "Principle Chief" will appear on the Radio this weekend to explain to listeners "why the Native Blood March in D.C. was canceled".  It will be interesting to hear what he has to say.  His Radio interview is scheduled for this Friday, Aug 13th, at 7pm EST and it looks like it can be listened to online.

Quote
***RESCHEDULED****

Due to The Jay Nightwolf Radio Show Fundraiser that was broadcast on WPFW for Friday August 6 at 7:00PM, the interview with Principal Chief James Billy Chance has been rescheduled to 7:00PM Friday August 13th. He will be on the Radio Talk Show to talk about what has happened to our tribe and why we had to cancel the Native Blood March in Washington DC.

The website address is www.wpfw.org (http://www.wpfw.org) so please remember to tune in at 7:00PM Eastern Time this Friday Night.

http://chickamaugacherokee.org/news/ (http://chickamaugacherokee.org/news/)
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: paula on August 12, 2010, 11:50:50 pm

thanks for posting.  i had wanted to listen now im glad ill have the chance.  i understand that the jay nightwolf show is actually very reputable so now im concerned about his reputation being called into question by this "chief" and the tribe and all the things surrounding this that are wrong

am i wrong to wonder?
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Diana on August 13, 2010, 02:37:26 am

thanks for posting.  i had wanted to listen now im glad ill have the chance.  i understand that the jay nightwolf show is actually very reputable so now im concerned about his reputation being called into question by this "chief" and the tribe and all the things surrounding this that are wrong

am i wrong to wonder?

No, these fakes are masters at finagling and insinuating themselves into legitimate Indian circles and they wear it like a badge of honor. They will hold it up as a sign of credibililty and ride it for all it's worth. If anyone is interested in alerting Jay Nightwolf his E-mail address is nightwolf@wpfw.org.



Lim lemtsh,

Diana
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: BlackWolf on August 13, 2010, 05:00:39 pm
Jay Winter Nightwolf is a member of a Social Club called the "Echota Cherokee Tribe".  So he may be sympathetic to their cause.  
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Paul123 on August 14, 2010, 11:26:33 am
Well? Did anybody hear the program?
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on August 14, 2010, 05:37:05 pm
Caught the last half hour or so and never heard any mention of Chance, his group, or the event.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: paula on August 14, 2010, 08:58:20 pm
chance was in the first half hour.  i missed the first 10 minutes of the show but caught the last part.  at first he said there was no permits and then said that he held in his hand a permit for sign carrying only.  he also sent out an email :

Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 9:37 AM
Subject: need to report into the main office

Osiyo Council,

     Well after all most two weeks the truth comes out, Mother No Moccisan Woman resign after keeping us on a string for the past two week, when this tribe was and still is under attack. In hundreds of year we have never in our history had a Headmother of the Roundhouse cut and run when this tribe was under attack, and miss lead her people, to think she was doing her job , when she was ask to send the list of guess that was to come to Washington, DC. So we could help let them know it was cancel and the reason why, she never send us the list, She said she was going to send out to all the people to let them no she was still the Headmother and not believe the story be told , she did not do what she said , she lied to us.

    I told her time and time again this is not a concert, a performance to do music , it is a fight for our rights to be who we are, but she work on guess only to perform music making ,but people who could talk about matter to do without rights , she did not wish to ask to come, she told me she did not wish Chief Three Feathers to speak, and others .

   In my 44 year as chief she is my biggest mistake I ever make. I must move to find a replacement for the Headmother of the Roundhouse. Here are some of the list so far.

 

1/ Mother Barbara Sanchez

2/ Mother Star Harden Miller

3/ Mother Michele Reyonld

4/ Mother Kim Lambert

5/ Mother Marjore Winston

6/ Mother Melissa Sparks

7/ Mother Cheyenne Autumn Chance

8/Mother Denelda Wilkerson

9/ Mother Karen Miles

10/ Mother Linda Wibbens

11/Mother Patricia Zattau

12/ Mother Jacquie Trump

13/ Mother Camille Ceoghegan

 

This is only a list , we have not make a final choose at this time.

 

Wado

 

Principle Chief James Billy Chance

1352 East Lombardy Drive

Deltona, Fl 32725

Phone 386-574-3291

Web Site:  http://www.Chickamaugacherokee.org

in the broadcast portion i heard him blame no moccasins and state the reason for him being on the show was because he didnt know who all was invited or how to contact them all and so he was on the show to make an attempt to notify people.  i was kind of disappointed in the nightwolf show.  it actually seemed to be a platform for people to talk about different gatherings (legit native or not).  host also didnt accept phone calls since i know two people who attempted to call in to talk to chance (or possibly tell him off - God knows he deserves it).  terry nichols also said he was invited onto the show (dont know if he showed up or not) but told me that he felt set up by the whole thing.  chance ironically was saying what a great job no moccasins did and yet on the show slammed her.  feel bad for anyone involved with chance

ps on that email several of those "mothers" already lead one portion or such. (cheyenne autumn being his wife)
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Diana on August 16, 2010, 01:11:23 am

thanks for posting.  i had wanted to listen now im glad ill have the chance.  i understand that the jay nightwolf show is actually very reputable so now im concerned about his reputation being called into question by this "chief" and the tribe and all the things surrounding this that are wrong

am i wrong to wonder?

No, these fakes are masters at finagling and insinuating themselves into legitimate Indian circles and they wear it like a badge of honor. They will hold it up as a sign of credibililty and ride it for all it's worth. If anyone is interested in alerting Jay Nightwolf his E-mail address is nightwolf@wpfw.org.



Lim lemtsh,

Diana

Jay Winter Nightwolf is a member of a Social Club called the "Echota Cherokee Tribe".  So he may be sympathetic to their cause. 



This is a good example of how people are easily fooled including myself.
I have never heard of this JayWinter Nightwolf but took it on good faith that
he was legitimate. But after reading Blackhawk's post I did a little
research. He claims Shoshone, Cherokee and Taino? Anyone belonging
to a questionable group as the Echota (I think we have a thread on
them) and that is their only provable claim to an Indian heritage
should be questioned. If you google his name all kinds of links come
up with his name and fake Indian, wannabe and so on.
Like the Chickamauga, this Nighthawk person has
insinuated himself in to legitimate Indian circles and looks like he
has been doing this for a number years, of course he operates in an
area with little or no Indian presence. He could never have gotten
away with playing Indian in let's say Montana or South Dakota because
these imposters will almost always be questioned.


Lim lemtsh,

Diana






Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on August 19, 2010, 10:37:22 pm
Just realized this was supposed to be day three of their event. Haven't heard a peep about it. Checked Facebook and found that Terry Nichols is supposed to be one of the guests on United Native Radio tonight (Thursday 8/19/10). Show starts in about half an hour:

United Native Radio with FEENIX and James Magaska Swan! 7-9pm eastern time (http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/event.php?eid=121972907854569)

www.tenacityradio.com/listen

www.unitednativeradio.net

"We will also have Terry Nichols for a live update on the Native Blood March On Washington, D.C.
Which is August 17,18 and 19th!"

Terry Nichols  "I can't wait! I will also have the rap-up from the Native American Civil Rights March on Washington. AHO!"
Monday at 7:43am

ETA: Terry Nichols has posted "coverage" of the "event" http://www.youtube.com/user/snxtr112020#p/u/3/nQh_aXhj2HM  I don't see any images of groups of people. Just a few videos of one guy speaking. All but two of them appear to be Terry Nichols, talking about how he grew up "thinking he was white", but then when he was in his mid-forties he was told by an elderly member of the family he was... Chickamauga Cherokee.

Did I miss something, or wasn't Nichols still a white guy when all this started?
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: ny1 on August 20, 2010, 02:45:03 am
Nichols has shown up on facebook and posted info about this march.

I can't say much cause I just noticed this and I knew I'd seen his  Name on fb.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: educatedindian on August 20, 2010, 02:26:52 pm
On this link they dropped their original claim that they'd try for a million people down to "10,000 expected."
http://indigenouspeoplesissues.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6260:native-blood-civil-rights-march-on-washington-dc-august-17-19-2010&catid=73:conferences-a-workshops&Itemid=101

The facebook page seems one of the very few places it's even mentioned. At the bottom is McKellip/No Mocassins washing her hands of it and a couple people reassuring her they don't blame her.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Native-American-civil-rights/108429459191678

And now of course it all seems to have wound down to three guys making speeches for youtube in the Mall while indifferent tourists pass by.

Ending not with a bang or even a whimper. More like barely a sigh. It actually surprised me it ended so badly. I thought at least they'd get a couple dozen of them showing up. Wannabe "Cherokee Blackfoot" groups in NY routinely get that many for public gatherings.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: paula on August 20, 2010, 03:34:38 pm
missed the show - did anyone see it?

also under news chance posted that the reason no moccasin's left was:

Members of the Council, Tribal members and friends,

While  Jeanie ‘No Moccasins” McKillip was our Tribal Head Mother of the Roundhouse, she did a wonderful job as she assisted this tribe in many capacities from Grant Coordinator to Tribal Shaman as well as her duties as Head Mother. Her resignation came about due to the illness of her husband and herself. We will certainly miss her as Head Mother where, through her wisdom and honor, she earned high respect not only from the office of the Principal Chief, but also from the Council members and the members of the Indian Creek Band. She brought many ideas to the Principal Chief which helped this tribe to prosper and grow as a Nation. I ask each of you to lift smoke and prayers for her and Brian to Yowa for them.


one of the members of the "tribe" is also sending out the name address and telephone numbers of individuals who disagree with chance to "discuss" their issues with them (maybe try to revise the persons way of thinking - isnt that what cults do??)

on her fb account no moccasins said she was forced out and chance sent out messages -


ya know i have a big question - how DO you shut this "tribe" down?? its so harmful to so many people and they create such problems.  i know bia and cherokee nation are investigating but how much info do they need to get these people to stop?

ps one of the people told me chances permit to operate as non profit has expired.

pps chance said he wanted federal lands and if you look on the site he posts that the next earth day will be held at lake ashby on the indian lands - so umm which is it?  im guessing he is wanting his own land to play God upon
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on August 20, 2010, 04:50:28 pm
I didn't hear Nichols on the show. I see that he is routinely posting to Facebook soliciting donations. At first the donations were for this "march". Now the purpose seems vague. It's unclear whether there is any accountability or transparency for the money that people may have sent him.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Superdog on August 20, 2010, 07:11:12 pm
Well, from all accounts so far this event turned into exactly what we thought it would.  A big flop.  The petition with a goal of a millions signatures stalled at 104 total.  The videos of the speakers shows that if there were any people listening, they were quite small in numbers.  The rift between Terry Nichols(Green Dot for Earth) and the Chickamauga non-profit is another example of how these groups tend to be about certain individuals clamoring for some sort of power and not about their mission statements.

I was interested in a post on the Green Dot for Earth facebook page made by Nichols.   Prior to the event he solicited donations for the Native American Civil Rights Fund in order to cover expenses related to the event (when they were still broadcasting an expectation of 1,000,000 people so this was to go to police and crowd control and portapotties among other things).  When I google Native American Civil Rights Fund I only come up with the Native American Rights Fund who has nothing to do with either organization and I haven't found anything about any organization called the Native American Civil Rights Fund.....I'm wondering if this wasn't some sort of slight of hand to solicit donations to Green Dot (or Nichols himself) under a false name...and a name that coincidentally sounds a lot like a legitimate organization (namely NARF).  Seems very shady.  He posted that on July 13th...a month before the event and didn't raise the money, yet had the event anyway.  That leads me to believe that Nichols either knew that he didn't need that much money for the realistic crowd size yet solicited like he did (and under a false name), or he completely blundered and put on the event with completely inadequate funding and the Native American Civil Rights Fund actually exists and was coordinating all these logistic expenses for Nichols....considering all the time and advertising I would tend to assume the first conclusion is correct.  I'm just speculating, but it's something to think about and the limited evidence I've seen points in that direction.  Just wondering if anyone had thoughts on that.....

You can review the post here on the discussion page.  It's the 2nd or 3rd post from the top.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=265449619149&v=wall&ref=ts

Superdog



Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on August 22, 2010, 05:35:27 am
Found some photos: http://www.meetup.com/Tribe-of-Beltway-Shamans/photos/all_photos/?photoAlbumId=1029269
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: paula on August 22, 2010, 04:38:16 pm

thanks for the pics  ;D  !  did anyone watch his video?  i saw he had a link but i just cant bring myself to watch.

one of the tribe members sent out an email with the name address and phone number of a family who has quit the tribe and brought most of chance's crap out into the open.  the member stated they were doing this so that tribe members can "discuss" the family's issues.  isnt that what cults do? 
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Smart Mule on April 03, 2012, 12:03:45 pm
The Chickamauga are now Anishanabe and Algonquin.

http://www.firstnationchickamauga.org/ (http://www.firstnationchickamauga.org/)
http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/firstnationchickamauga2012 (http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/firstnationchickamauga2012)
https://www.facebook.com/pages/RedNation-Chickamauga/128946590500045?sk=wall&filter=12 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/RedNation-Chickamauga/128946590500045?sk=wall&filter=12)


Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Superdog on April 03, 2012, 07:26:58 pm
One the facebook page you can follow the timeline.  Literally in November of 2011 some of their "research" showed Dragging Canoe's ancestors to be Powhatan, Tuscarora and Shawnee....

https://www.facebook.com/pages/RedNation-Chickamauga/128946590500045

"Through the years things get lost or turned around. I and others have been researching and now have documented proof on this; Moytoy (Grandfather of Dragging Canoe) was Powhatan; Attakullakulla (Little Carpenter) (Father of Dragging Canoe) was taken in a raid in Canada by the Cherokee as a baby and he was Nipissing. He later married a woman named Nionee (Mother of Dragging Canoe) who was Tuscarora and Shawnee. Together they had a son Named Dragging Canoe who became the leader of the Chickamauga. From all this it makes the Chickamauga Indians a branch of the Anishinabe / Algonquin."



Before that post they were clearly still calling themselves Cherokee.  The premise of the "tribe" is that they are all descendents of Dragging Canoe, who they now say was not Cherokee (except they didn't know that till recently....whoops).

Some of the comments have people asking "ok what about Cherokees?" with no response.....seems they don't know what they are now.....

The timeline still includes all the previous posts of the Red Nation of the Cherokee:  Chickamauga Band (which is the previous iteration of this group, now going by Red Nation Chickamauga Band.  They are definitely selling themselves as Algonquin/Anishnabe now.....

In reading some of the pages of the group members, there has literally been a change with some from greeting each other with "O'siyo" to now saying "Boozhoo"....   ::)

Superdog
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Superdog on April 04, 2012, 04:49:03 pm
Interesting page....lot of posts discussing The First Nation Chickamauga (I'm assuming this is the latest iteration of this group...)

Lotta posts both ways.  Indians posting their opinions about these guys and Chickamauga members attempting to legitimize themselves.

Lots of drama to read, but no matter what....they can't seem to get the story straight.  To their detriment.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ASKUWHETEAU8888/?ref=ts




Superdog
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Superdog on April 04, 2012, 05:21:54 pm
While I don't think this book is really that big of a deal.  From what I've read on the Elder's Group and Traditionals fb page, there are people discussing it, but as usual in these cases, it's not properly sourced and research is dubious.  But they are trudging on with a volume 2.  However, on the lulu.com site (a self publishing site btw) they write their "About" like this:

http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/firstnationchickamauga2012

"First Nation Chickamagua Nation is under the leadership of Head Mother of the Roundhouse, Jeanie No Moccasin Woman, McKillip, Principal Chief Billy Dancing Buffalo Miller and 2nd Principal Chief Kermit, Peaceful Eagle, Manis The First Nation Chickamauga is a Native American nation that falls under the ancestry of the Algonquin Nation and language source."



CLEARLY misrepresenting their non-profit status and clearly presenting themselves as Native American.....seems they are willing to go that far.  Definitely worth keeping an eye on, although I don't believe this violates the Native Arts and Crafts Act as it is quite lenient on published works I believe, but definitely a clear misrepresentation on their part.

Superdog
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: marley49 on July 26, 2012, 02:38:35 pm
Charles Thunderhawk aka Sam Lone Wolf was on the evening news in the Dallas/Ft Worth area this past Tuesday. He was identifed as a Lakota tribal elder. A news conference concerning the investigation into the death of Lightning Medicine Cloud, the white buffalo calf, was held at the Lakota ranch in Greenville, Texas.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/entertainment/pets/presses-authorities--163563716.html
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Diana on July 26, 2012, 05:03:29 pm
Charles Thunderhawk aka Sam Lone Wolf was on the evening news in the Dallas/Ft Worth area this past Tuesday. He was identifed as a Lakota tribal elder. A news conference concerning the investigation into the death of Lightning Medicine Cloud, the white buffalo calf, was held at the Lakota ranch in Greenville, Texas.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/entertainment/pets/presses-authorities--163563716.html

I don't know about this story, something isn't ringing true. I'll say this, it is sad about the animals, but why would a cattle rustler or some thief take the time to butcher a bison out in an open field. It doesn't make sense. The ranch is only 150 some acres (I could be wrong) which isn't that big. And they claim another Indian Tribe did this as revenge and jealousy!! No, I'm not buying it.

They have a known fraud speaking for them that chickamunga guy Charles Thunderhawk who now claims to be a Lakota elder. Also, I looked on their website http://lightningmedicinecloud.com/aboutls.html to see who these Little Soldiers are, and their bio is so poorly written and convoluted I'm still not sure who they are??? Maybe Earth can shed some light on them.


Lim lemtsh,

Diana
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: marley49 on July 26, 2012, 07:19:12 pm
I didn't want to name one who is being named a person of interest but since he has commented publicly then I'll post this:

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/19103318/white-buffalos-death-remains-a-mystery

Mr. Old Crow is full blood Cheyenne and has been in the Dallas area since the 1980's. He emcees at powwows through out Texas and is well respected in the native community.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: marley49 on July 28, 2012, 01:14:35 am
Now Charles Thunderhawk aka Sam Lone Wolf has claimed to have been in law enforcement in Kansas. I can not find if this is true. But he is ready to take matters into his own hands if no one is arrested soon.

http://heraldbanner.com/local/x453797122/Little-Soldier-Buffalos-killing-a-terrorist-attack
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: marley49 on July 31, 2012, 08:36:23 pm
http://lightningmedicinecloud.com/

Latest on their facebook, and they are surprised they are suspects.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: marley49 on March 28, 2013, 09:59:21 pm
The Palestine Herald, Palestine, Texas has a death notice for Sam Lonewolf dated January 11, 2013.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: milehighsalute on April 03, 2013, 07:50:10 pm
a few months ago some white family came to powwow and they all his some ridiculous outfits and the old man carried a flag that said "chickamagua tribe of arkansas" or something....he even had it on his trailer cloth....he danced southern straight....well a very bad verion of southern straight
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: seizethebull on February 23, 2014, 08:20:47 pm
First Nation Chickamauga has imploded and no longer,exists as of today.
Title: Re: Chickamauga Cherokee, March on Washington, Charlie ThunderHawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 23, 2014, 08:38:33 pm
Let us know if the splinters try to re-form as new fake tribes.

Any links to the debacle? It helps to know who is headed where, because they do tend to pop up again and again.