Author Topic: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"  (Read 874011 times)

Autumn

  • Guest
Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #1230 on: December 10, 2013, 06:06:42 pm »
Thanks for the article, Al.  With the bad Google translation, it is hard to make out what she is really saying, but I think she is saying she has mixed feelings about LG and that LG's intentions are good and she is pretty harmless, but I could be wrong.

Alexandra has written quite a few articles in the esoteric field and has gotten some flack about her views on Sathya Sai Baba.

http://leidenuniv.academia.edu/AlexandraNagel
http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/Nagel/

This is really sad.   :( :(   LG apparently thinks China and Japan are the same country, since she confuses them in this Facebook post:

Quote
Ceremony in China -- this was really something! being on the anceint lake in japan praying for the healing and cleansing of mother earth in that area.. the water was so paluted! we prayed for mother to heal herself.. many people heard voices, our hair stood up on end..at one point the energy was so strong i passed out.. two days later the entire mountain came down and covered the lake, the water flooded into the city.. Mother Was indeed cleansing herself! The elders of Japan announced that the green dragon had returned, an ancient prophesy in China. What a day!!
(bolding mine)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1484405995117386&set=a.1484405955117390.1073741831.1483412025216783&type=1&theater

And the man I had wondered about previously in this thread, who helped her carry the heavy crystal during the Holland crystal ceremony and was with her during her Egypt trip, is named Jens Glende.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1484406941783958&set=a.1484405955117390.1073741831.1483412025216783&type=1&theater

He is from Germany and is also a devotee of Drunvalo Melchizedek, who LG refers to a lot:
http://drunvalo.net/teachers/teachers_display.php?teacher_id=3043
« Last Edit: December 10, 2013, 08:16:25 pm by Autumn »

Offline Ingeborg

  • Friends
  • *
  • Posts: 838
  • I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #1231 on: December 11, 2013, 12:24:20 am »

Nagel is a Nuager. Her profile at LinkedIn says:

http://leidenuniv.academia.edu/AlexandraNagel

Quote
PhD student ('buitenpromovendus')
Leiden University
Educational Institution; 1001-5000 employees; Hochschulwesen industry
– (1 year 7 months) Graduate School of Humanities
The Palmist Julius Spier. From Chiromancy to Psychochirology: Exploring a Hiatus in the History of Ideas

PR- and final review for magazine Spiegelbeeld [mirror image]
Tijdschrift Spiegelbeeld
– (2 years 4 months) Eindhoven
freelance teacher
Hogeschool voor Geesteswetenschappen
[Academy of Humanities]
– (3 years) De Uithof, Utrecht
In 2011 en 2012 verzorgde ik de module
- Inleiding natuur- en milieufilosofie
In 2010 de modules
- De geschiedenis van energetische geneeswijzen
- Inleiding westerse esoterie.
[In 2011 and 2012, I did the modules „Introduction into philosophy of nature and environment
In 2010, the modules „History of energetic healing methods“ and „Introduction into Western Esoterics“]
bookkeeper
De Heremiet
– (2 years 1 month)
The shop where I've worked for over 10 years was taken over by a new owner. For two years I continued to help out with the financial administration.
manager
De Heremiet
– (11 years 7 months)
To know most ins & outs, and to do the things to run a bookshop specialised in the esoteric (new age and old age) field.
saleswoman
La Colombe
(5 years 11 months)

Nagel has participated in Nuage congresses:

http://www.ehoc.ugent.be/node/213

Quote
Alexandra Nagel is enrolled as a PhD candidate at the faculty of Humanities, Leiden University.
Her dissertation will focus on the psychochirologist Julius Spier.
The background to this research is an MA in the history of western esotericism, which she finished in 2007 at the University of Amsterdam

We all know that Etty Hillesum was a student of Julius Spier. We also know that Spier had other students, and that a few devoted ones had formed a group around him – the “Spier Club” – of which Etty became an active participant. Spier was a hand-reader, or, as he called his profession, a "psycho-chirologist", who taught his students to read hands in accordance with the method he had developed. In other words, as a student of Spier’s, and by being Spier's secretary, Etty was on her way of becoming a psycho-chirologist herself. Despite the fact that we all know this, researchers so far have ignored this subject. By doing so, we have missed out on an intriguing aspect of Etty Hillesum’s life.  


http://www.ehoc.ugent.be/node/139

Quote
The aim of the Etty Hillesum Congress 2014 is to invite Hillesum scholars from all over the world to exchange valuable insights and to discuss problems that arise when studying Etty Hillesum's legacy. It is a unique and privileged opportunity to meet other colleagues in the field and to learn from their work, as well as to make use of the facilities of the Etty Hillesum Research Centre at Ghent University. It is an ideal moment to give Etty Hillesum, her Diaries and Letters, her vision and life, a wider publicity and media coverage.

Listed as a member of staff here:

http://www.parapsy.nl/

The Dutch title says: „The portal for scientific parapsychology in the Netherlands“.
Emphasis mine
They offer these courses:

http://www.parapsy.nl/

Quote
Cursusnaam
Cursuscode
(start)datum
Kosten
Dood en sterven, de sjamanistische visie
SJPP 1401
2014-01-11
€ 100
De sjamaan in jou
SJ 1401
2014-01-25
€ 100
Sjamanistische extractie
SJEX 1401
2014-02-08
€ 100
Omgaan met energieën - loslaten, centeren en aarden
EN 1401
2014-02-16
€ 175
Dood en sterven, de sjamanistische visie
SJPP 1402
2014-02-22
€ 100
Sjamanisme: Soul Retrieval
SJSR 1401
2014-03-08
€ 150
Sjamanisme terugkomdag (voor oud-sjamanismecursisten)
SJT 1401
2014-03-16
€ 75

Titles in English:
Death and dying, the shamanic vision – The shaman in you – Shamanistic extraction – Dealing with energies, letting go, centering, and grounding – Death and dying, the shamanic vision – Shamanism: Soul Retrieval.

Intro for Death & Dying:
Quote
Participants will be introduced to the phenomenon death and dying from a shamanic point of view. For all persons who want to get a better understanding of the incidents around dying and death and perhaps be able to help themselves and other persons. We learn how we can prepare ourselves or another person for death.
The second aspect is the classic psychopompous work, accompanying a person who passed away and need to be taken to a better place. This workshop will also place the emphasis on your own experience.
Prerequisite for participation in this course is having participated in the workshop „The shaman in you“ (with Joke van Koningshoven of Foundation for Shamanic Studies).

Please wear comfortable, loose fitting clothes
Please bring along:
Towel or bath sheet – drum or rattle – a bandana or a shawl - […] - drawing paper – pen and paper to take notes

Lecturer: Joke van Koningshoven

Date: Feb 22-23, 2014, 10 am – 4 pm
Fee: € 100

Nagel also works for magazine „Spiegelbeeld“, a Nuage magazine:

http://www.spiegelbeeld.nl/

Quote
Spiegelbeeld is an independent and impartial monthly magazine offering varying articles and categories on issues like humans & society, health, spirituality, religion, nature and environment. The articles may have a supporting effect in the process of personal growth and consciousness. The articles can further contribute to a clearer insight into personal thinking, feeling, and behaviour.


http://www.spiegelbeeld.nl/

Quote
Uitgevers
Joke & Albert de Louw
Hoofdredactie
Albert de Louw

?Eindredactie
Alexandra nagel
xnagel@yahoo.com

Uitgevers = publishers
Hoofdredactie = chief editor
Eindredactie = final review


So what we see in the article written by Nagel is a Nuager badly trying to keep sitting on the fence instead of speaking clear words. She keeps on ranting on how Crowther does not want to talk about the past, and goes pretty much out of her way not to come to the conclusion that this may be seen as an indication that Crowther indeed cannot defend her lies and exploitation. Another hint that Nagel's criticism of Crowther is just superficial is her making use of the fake title Crowther bestowed upon herself, „Little Grandmother“. Nagel also does not question the legitimacy of Crowther's fake Tribe of Many Dollars – errm, sorry: Colours.

However, Nagel not only avoids an explicit evaluation. Not coming to the obvious result in her article, Nagel needs to debase the statements ndn persons have given on Crowther and her claims – which she does not hesitate to do. As she thinks the arrows are flying, Nagel rushes to join the crew within the circle of waggons and sides with her white fellows singing „If you're white, you're right“.

No, Mevrouw Nagel: Crowther does not merit any benefit of doubt. Her claims of initiation, of belonging to ndn nations are childish fantasies, used as a sales pitch for a white audience eager to believe her. Your badmouthing of ndn persons who pointed out that Crowther misrepresents herself is a nice piece of White Supremacy.

Besides, it does not matter whether or not Crowther stopped exploiting North American ndn spirituality, since she is now also exploiting Meso and South American nations. So she is still making a profit of ndn spirituality, and she is still busy creating her own cult. Plus that she has taken up a few more Nuage ideas like e.g. Masaru Emoto and his fantasies about water having a memory. Crowther may or may not believe it has, she is using bits and pieces of Nuage resp pseudo-scientific bunk as a sales pitch to lure in more Nuagers. The Nuage scene in the Netherlands of course will be way smaller than that in the States.


Offline educatedindian

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 4784
Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #1232 on: December 12, 2013, 03:23:54 pm »
Nagel contacted me through my publisher, so I knew this was different than some angry Nuager who used the contact form for the forum. I knew she was a Nuager, one about to enter academia.

She tells me the magazine decided against publishing the article. They had not heard the criticism of Crowther before and decided to stay out of it. Nagel told me she may try to publish it elsewhere.

The festival organizers also hadn't heard criticism of Crowther before and are considering whether or not to include her. Nagel tells me she believes Crowther is not nearly as successful or making as much money as before in the US.

Offline Defend the Sacred

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 3498
Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #1233 on: December 14, 2013, 09:43:05 pm »
Another red flag with Nagel, and those who speak the way she does, is the idea that "a valid initiation" can make it OK for non-Natives to exploit and sell Native traditions.

Whether from Wicca or Crowley or the Nuage that's been influenced by them, many exploiters and people who support them believe that one, mind-blowing spiritual experience can now make someone an expert and a teacher. You see this with people buying Reiki "empowerments," for instance. But even the British Traditional (BritTrad) Wiccans and Golden Dawn people demand (or used to demand) that people go through training and mentorship before leading their own groups. The nuage commodity version of all of the above has created a massive number of pay to pray types who believe a weekend workshop is all they need. A slight variation is the appropriators who denigrate the weekend workshop crowd but think that traditions can be mastered in only a few years and totally removed from cultural context. Or, they think dressing up and buying some bling equals a culture. After hearing the way she speaks, I'm not surprised to find Nagel is deeply involved in this exploitation.

And for those who are coming from a secular background, or who were raised by a religion they felt no connection to, the slightest bit of contact with the sacred, or even something that stimulates the imagination to the extent that they only think they've found something sacred, can seem mind-blowing. But as they are still operating from the mainstream mindset that commodifies everything, combined with white privilege and the adolescent rebellion many are stuck within, and they can easily convince themselves they have a sacred duty to sell any fragments they can steal, and that they owe no respect to the people they've stolen from.
« Last Edit: July 30, 2019, 10:50:37 pm by NAFPS Housekeeping »

Offline educatedindian

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 4784
Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #1234 on: March 11, 2014, 03:27:52 pm »
Received this email from the One Heart Institute. They disavow any connection to Crowther.

-----
As far as  Keisha Crowther, Who is she? We have no connection or affiliation with this individual. Please remove all information and connection to her. We do not want to be associated with her.

Kind Regrads,
Mark Kochkodan

Autumn

  • Guest
Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #1235 on: March 11, 2014, 04:41:28 pm »
Received this email from the One Heart Institute. They disavow any connection to Crowther.

-----
As far as  Keisha Crowther, Who is she? We have no connection or affiliation with this individual. Please remove all information and connection to her. We do not want to be associated with her.

Kind Regrads,
Mark Kochkodan

Under the name One World Heart Institute, they were mentioned tangentially on this thread as supporters of Lady Rowena.

Current information - now known as One World Heart-Earth:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/mark-kochkodan/15/573/292
http://www.onhi.org/

Autumn

  • Guest
Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #1236 on: March 20, 2014, 05:32:41 pm »
LG has turned on another supporter (must not be getting any proceeds from her book sales!).

Quote
Little Grandmother Kiesha
February 24
Important!

Many of you have received an email from a Tuaca Kelly who is now trying to promote her book ("my prophetic life with Kiesha Crowther") I have no association with this book nor have I ever had a prophetic life with Tuaca Kelly.

Little Grandmother

https://www.facebook.com/littlegrandmother.kiesha

You can see a photo earlier in this thread of the two of them together as they planted a crystal in California in 2010.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2871.msg34160#msg34160

This photo is currently on LG's website and it looks like it was taken at the same time as the photo taken with Tuaca Kelly:

http://littlegrandmother.net/events-calender/

The two photos definitely were taken at the same time.  The two photos, plus many others I have seen on LG promotions, are on Tuaca's website promoting the book:  http://dreamingofwisdom.com/

(Someone on Facebook mentioned to LG that there was a photo of the two of them together on Tuaca's website and LG said "yes i have seen them, im doing a ceremony in the red woods" (according to Tuaca and to the photos, just the two of them were doing the ceremony).
« Last Edit: March 20, 2014, 08:54:30 pm by Autumn »

Offline Superdog

  • Posts: 441
Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #1237 on: March 22, 2014, 07:45:31 pm »
You'll also see one of the photos from Tuaca Kelly's site here:  http://littlegrandmother.net/portfolio/photographs-little-grandmother/#lightbox/62/

Captioned:  "Crystal Ceremony at the Redwoods in Northern California"

And another one captioned:  "Little Grandmother in Northern California enjoying the Pacific Ocean"

I'm not sure how much control over her own website Kiesha has...one page lists her as living in Santa Fe...another page says Maastricht....

I find it a hilariously ironic that she's trying to keep someone from making money off her name....   ;D
The pictures bust her completely though....and apparently she's either unwilling or unable to take them down. 

Superdog
« Last Edit: March 22, 2014, 07:47:42 pm by Superdog »

Offline Superdog

  • Posts: 441
Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #1238 on: March 22, 2014, 08:09:14 pm »
Looks like currently her workshops involve a partnership with a guy named Michael Telapary, a flute player.  At least, Michael doesn't claim Native ancestry, however he does claim to be gifted a flute by an Apache medicine man as part of his bio.

Lotta stuff on his page about Chakra healing, etc.  Lives in the Netherlands...from his pics he even took a run at Holland's Got Talent.  Interesting character.....there's even a pic of Kiesha giving him a kiss on the cheek.  Dyed black hair in some pics....salt and pepper in the others.

http://www.tewanka.com

Superdog
« Last Edit: March 22, 2014, 08:17:53 pm by Superdog »

Autumn

  • Guest
Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #1239 on: April 16, 2014, 12:05:03 am »
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3790.msg31746#msg31746

Quote
Little Grandmother recently posted something on her Facebook page regarding the Fukushima Nuclear Crisis that was signed by Chief Arvol Looking Horse and the statement is on the below-listed site which appears to be a blog for Chief Arvol Looking Horse.  However, I cannot find it on the site listed above (http://wolakota.org)/index.html

http://www.manataka.org/page108.html#October_31,_2013

The statement first appeared on the internet about five and a half months ago and was re-posted over several blog sites.  Since LG is heading to Japan right now to plant several crystals which she has assured everyone will clear up the nuclear pollution in that country, that is the reason she is posting the statement now.  It appears to give her "street cred".

Since Chief Arvol Looking Horse does not blog, has this changed? 
« Last Edit: July 30, 2019, 10:51:47 pm by NAFPS Housekeeping »

Offline Diana

  • Posts: 432
  • I Love YaBB 2!
Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #1240 on: April 16, 2014, 07:03:30 am »
Don't we have a thread on that dubious group Manataka?  >:(

Offline kitten42

  • Posts: 11
Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #1241 on: April 16, 2014, 11:43:08 am »
Not that I could find using the search function, the only thread that came up was this one. If I have time today I might rectify that.

Offline Ingeborg

  • Friends
  • *
  • Posts: 838
  • I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #1242 on: April 16, 2014, 01:18:24 pm »

The search function produces 61 threads altogether for Manataka - e.g.:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=324.0

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=439.0

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1021.0

(The search function at the top right of the page is a waste of time mostly, but there is a better one on the top left - between 'help' and 'profile'.)

Offline kitten42

  • Posts: 11
Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #1243 on: April 16, 2014, 02:03:43 pm »
Thank you, greatly appreciated! I live in that area of the country, this is plumb embarrassing.

Offline Defend the Sacred

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 3498
Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #1244 on: April 16, 2014, 04:38:57 pm »
That looks to be one of the statements from Arvol that Paula sent out to a huge mailing list, and that was shared all over Facebook. However, I have not gone over it word by word in comparison to the original to see if they altered the text in any way. Manataka and other frauds have always tried to make themselves look more legitimate, and imply a connection with people they don't know, by reposting those kinds of public writings. They've even posted protection of ceremonies statements on one page, while violating the standards on another. We've tried, but there's not a lot we can do to keep skeevy people from sharing public posts, especially once anyone with a huge friends list posts it to Facebook and people start hitting "share."

When I posted that Arvol and Paula would be putting future statements on their own website, that was indeed the plan. But Paula has been more inclined to continue using email and Facebook.

And if it is not clear: Arvol still does not blog. He has no connection to the Manataka site. Manataka steals from everyone.


ETA: I've posted the original here: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3790.msg37116#msg37116

At the very least, the frauds at Manataka only posted excerpts from it and they changed the title. If someone could go over both texts and see if they altered anything else, I'd appreciate it.
« Last Edit: July 30, 2019, 10:52:07 pm by NAFPS Housekeeping »