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Shane Norte, Church of People for Creator & Mother Earth NO LONGER A CONCERN

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DoctorLao:
Sparks, thank you for another reply so helpful. Again.

No doubt about it then in your mind or mine, especially after details you’ve brought to bear. It is the same Shane by these two different names.

I feel you’ve expertly identified his middle name as the source of his youtube moniker - or alias (as I distinguish it) - in critically clear light shed by this spelling correction you’ve rendered so diligently.

With that clarified now, I’d consider no priority to puzzle over - how the [decorum prohibits] does one spell one’s own middle name wrong in the first place.

Although it’s a fact well-known, not to academic researchers or scientists, but to criminal investigators - that however unintentional a wrong spelling can be – it is also among the most common ploys of alias fabrication. Precisely for a ‘plausible deniability’ it has baked in, since “we all make mistakes.”

And so is ‘repurposing’ of one’s middle name for an ‘alternative’ last name; as outside psychedelic ‘community’ - so within.

[Long side argument rambling and smearing someone as a pedophile without evidence removed. It's also unclear what this person has to do with anything.]

In a one-of-a-kind (2017) podcast unveiling this (http://www.dosenation.com/listing.php?id=8861 ) host James Kent names ‘doctorlao’ as a main investigative source cracking this sickening case for him (which he’d struggled to piece together). Reflective as it is of the 'community' Decrim Nature base with its ambitions of power - all human exploitation all the time, in endless ways.

NOTE: In no way do I mean to compare Norte with Dugovic (nor ‘Micheal’ with Arthur) - as if to hint something such about Norte. There’s no ‘there’ there. I say that so as not to carelessly leave any room for possible misunderstanding. Like I might have meant to scurrilously imply any such thing as that about Norte. Even by oversight - failure on my part to say so.

There are questions enough I find plenty problematic about Norte's activities especially his deep involvement with Decrim Nature; but only in evidence.

[More rambling and smears removed.]

And it’s in that frame exclusively and specifically I feel you’ve masterfully demystified the source of this ‘Shane Micheal’ name, Sparks. Complete with the spelling wrinkle beautifully ironed out.

I’d offer compliments as well as profound thanks.

I am learning here (I rather be sponge than fountain) thanks to you and to the NAFPS forum, a treasure trove of rarest kind, rich with much-needed perspective - from voices like yours and others, uniquely qualified culturally and by life experience.

[More rambling]

There's one related detail however maybe not so imponderable (though I stand down from opining) - namely:

Whether this accessory to Norte’s facts PLAZOLA would qualify for a ‘Research Needed’ thread.

May 12, 2021 - A LETTER FROM THE CHAIR OF DECRIMINALIZE NATURE by Carlos Plazola (official):

< My own ancestry is indigenous from the Autlan Valley of Jalisco, a region where the people likely used peyote, before colonization wiped out many of our ceremonial customs. > https://archive.is/T7Rs4#selection-469.322-469.495

< My own grandmother, Maximiana Ximenez, an indigenous woman, was born and raised in a small adobe shelter with a thatched roof on the margins of a small town in rural Jalisco, donde viven los indios (“where the Indians live”) as the townspeople would say. > https://archive.is/T7Rs4#selection-453.0-453.254

Source: https://decriminalizenature.org/blog/278-a-letter-from-the-chair-of-decriminalize-nature 

(select excerpts):

< This letter is written in response to the “Open Letter to the Psychedelic Movement”... by the Indigenous Peyote Conservation Communication Committee on May 7th, 2021. > https://archive.is/T7Rs4#selection-426.0-445.172 (I've not found a letter that date so far - but will quote below one from 2020 that, to my eye, seemingly matches other details)

< we are simply asking for clarity on behalf of our base… on what the plan is for preventing extinction of a plant that … > https://archive.is/T7Rs4#selection-469.714-469.910 (… a plant that, gosh - never faced any such threat in the first place, until “our base” came along, raiding its habitat to our little hearts’ content - for only good purpose and with best reason of all: ‘because we can’)

FYI < I honor ALL people who seek a path toward salvation of all of humanity, and are choosing the Good Path. > https://archive.is/T7Rs4#selection-457.9-457.112  (not just you native peyotist snobs “And we the Good People of Decriminalize Nature are the very soul of psychedelic progress without conscience, paving everything in our path that stands in the way of our white right that knows no boundaries - especially some conquered people’s issues that they can’t even explain to our base’s satisfaction - and our base will entertain no exclusions. Btw FYI: “no law respecting an establishment of religion” is the American Way - so your ‘special exempt person’ status is unconstitutional anyhow. What do you need from our base, maybe a legal challenge to your current protections?”)

< we hereby present OUR working plan to help protect peyote from extinction - for full public review and comment and encourage all to offer their feedback > https://archive.is/T7Rs4#selection-471.200-471.357 (and there are a lot more of us than there are of you NAC anti-white ‘peyote hogs’ – and we’ve been through this before, how quickly some people seem to forget. It’s How The West Was Won, and there's a thing called 'manifest destiny' - but there are always holdout renegades still needing to be dealt with)

It’s a response all right - a strategic one. Neither critically substantive nor even honest, not by tingle of my spidey sense. Plazola turns a deaf ear of dismissal to ‘real world’ now 'our base' concerns clearly posed (in the very letter from 2020 I find posing clear concerns that Plazola's letter doesn't acknowledge and no mystery about it. Because the indigenous peyotists' express concerns pierce the heart of this exploitive appropriation - leaving no ground for credible rebuttal - by ‘gently’ diplomatic grim determination to take reins firmly in hand, away from indigenous leadership trying to control the playing field.

Plazola's tactical response sounds geared to ensure these restless natives understand that, so far, they have failed (dismally) to explain themselves in terms satisfactory to Decrim Nature, for whch Plazola speaks as Grand National Poobah (whatever these NAC concerns about things like peyote are...):

< We are eager to understand why [IPCI and NCNAC] believed it was not a good idea to bring together indigenous leaders from various tribes in California, the US and Mexico; conservation biologists; leaders of IPCI and NCNAC; policy makers; botanists, biologists, climatologists and others to openly study ways to ensure peyote does not go extinct, while still honoring indigenous rights and… > https://archive.is/T7Rs4#selection-461.261-461.536

< From Dec 2020 to Feb 2021, we encouraged the formation of a Blue-Ribbon Task Force to study ways to save peyote from extinction - as part of the CA state-wide effort to decriminalize… > https://archive.is/T7Rs4#selection-465.1-465.203

< Peyote is a key ally in OUR collective struggle to awaken the masses from the fear-based slumber of disconnection from ourselves, each other and nature. > https://archive.is/T7Rs4#selection-461.103-461.256

< So, we are very eager to hear the plan to save Peyote from extinction… > https://archive.is/T7Rs4#selection-461.261-461.326 (and are patiently waiting so far, but you need to submit your plan to us, for our base to either approve, or - well whatever - asap, before we the Good People of Decrim Nature get sick of waiting …)

What does the indigenous leadership's letter from 2020 to Decrim Nature say?

https://chacruna.net/native-american-statement-regarding-decriminalization-of-peyote/ (as for this ‘chacruna’… but that’s a whole massive Decrim Nature Plazola not-so-secret alliance of unbelievable reflection in the record)

Statement from National Council of Native American Churches and the Indigenous Peyote Conservation Initiative regarding Decriminalization of… as they pertain to Peyote - March 30, 2020 (excerpts):

<  Due to various anthropological causes, there is a shortage of peyote available for Indigenous practitioners…> https://archive.is/dplNW#selection-3311.0-3311.107

< Any local governmental resolution that gives non-native people the impression that they now have rights to acquire, possess, use, or transport that peyote in or from Texas would be misleading > https://archive.is/dplNW#selection-3315.184-3315.536

< A concern of the Board of IPCI and its Native American Church/ABNDN leaders is that the message being portrayed within Decriminalization resolutions could provide a false sense of legality. > https://archive.is/dplNW#selection-3319.0-3319.190 [or just impunity from legal jeopardy, once the ‘decrim’ firewall against police is in place - leaving police hands tied, stood down from being able to enforce law – reinterpreted from my standpoint]

< the collateral [damage] and unintended effort [sic: effect] could be to increase interest [for] non-native persons [in] either going to Texas to purchase peyote, or to buy it from a local dealer who has acquired it illegally and unsustainably…> https://archive.is/dplNW#selection-3319.385-3319.605

Cf “Law of Unintended Consequences” - human reality (not 'community' grandiosity). Aka 'the road to hell is pave with good intentions' as the old folks in my tradition sa - among few closest things in my cultural heritage to wisdom - punted and dismissed by psychedelic 'know-better' attitude especially considering those old fogeys have never even tripped.

< the “Decrim” movement sends a message to local citizens that peyote is “legal” > https://archive.is/dplNW#selection-3319.304-3319.384

< we fear [this] will further foment the peyote black market and unsustainable practices in south Texas, and compromise the decades long work on the part of Native American peyote spiritual leaders and allies > https://archive.is/dplNW#selection-3323.15-3323.216

< IPCI… is working hard to improve land management and conservation practices of the local ranchers… growing and harvesting conditions and methods. Ranchers we work with are very concerned about the rampant trespassing and destructive practices of illegal pickers, which is likely to increase with the Decriminalization efforts > https://archive.is/dplNW#selection-3327.0-3327.356

< non-native persons who want to avail themselves… should look for alternative medicines… that don’t harm the very fragile peyote population in south Texas or disrespect the spiritual and cultural norms of our Indigenous peoples > https://archive.is/dplNW#selection-3331.104-3331.242

DISCLAIMER (of impartiality) on record (quote):

< I [doctorlao] can give a nice straight answer to your title question, are you for or against the use of psychedelics by individuals? No I am not "for or against the use of psychedelics" ("by individuals" i.e. generally speaking) - for many reasons. > https://archive.is/LcnMX#selection-3799.0-3805.115 < No more than I support any laws about psychedelics one way or the other, pro or con - as a rule. > https://archive.is/LcnMX#selection-3903.0-3903.96

< As 'every rule has an exception,' so in fact I do support laws vitally protective of peyote use by Indians in their lawfully constituted church. How about that? In spite of my own abstention from either side (of a tempest in a teapot) I do 'support use' - actually not even the use per se, so much as the legal right to that usage, in specifically defined context (requiring legal protection). >

< And if irony is your cup of tea - were you aware, do you know, those laws providing for the Native American Church's exclusive right to peyote - are problematic for and to 'decrim'? This 'decrim' to so freely allow "use of psychedelics" proves to be a tangled web of special stipulations - by which they got a problem about an actual law in place, protecting a particular use of psychedelics - because it doesn't provide for the master race's entitlement as demanded, by order of 'cognitive liberty.' > https://archive.is/LcnMX#selection-3923.0-3939.308

< I don't admire that kind of stealth duplicity, as it comes across. If anything, I regard it as a manipulative tissue of lies by omission - things not being let on about (as some baited line is cast), like cards kept up a dealer's sleeve. I don't find much for warming to personally in that type thing, generally. And it seems to typify 'some people' and some 'special causes' - like an ethos of power first, power last, all by hook or crook - and principle be damned. > https://archive.is/LcnMX#selection-3957.0-3961.228

Source (Sept 29, 2021) Question to doctorlao: are you for or against the use of psychedelics by individuals? - www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/pxy1jc/question_to_doctorlao_are_you_for_or_against_the/

DoctorLao:
A brief quick addendum - I find the letter to which Plazola specifies his is replying to

May 10, 2021 (a 3 day discrepancy from the May 7 date cited by Plazola in his reply letter running interference against it, negligible as such for any question of doubt that this is the one):

Open Letter to the Psychedelic Movement Regarding Peyote in Policy Efforts and How to be an Ally to Indigenous Peoples of North America

https://chacruna.net/ipci_open_letter_psychedelic_movement_peyote_decriminalization/

This letter ^ proves to be a longer more detailed one than the Mar 2020 letter I quoted from just above - but consistent in content with the latter (and further elucidated).

I see 'chacruna' is somehow the internet platform through which this is presented. As with the Mar 2020 letter too.

I am unsure what to make of that or how, in light of what 'chacruna' represents, how and who - to my knowledge, information and awareness - as the internet broadcasting tower of a figure I regard as notorious:

World Aya 'Community' Queen Bia Labate, she who went before the Oakland CA 'safety committee' on May 28, 2019 - alongside that fateful event's Master of Ceremonies, Carlos Plazola.

Plazola led the charge, introducing the long line of those witnessing to the kommittee for why Oakland needs to decriminalize now - assumably including peyote (although that key detail remains to be verified for my certainty).

This was not only a watershed event in the 'progress' of the Decriminalize Nature clattering train, as second strategic flag planted (by my count) - coming hot on the heels of the Battle of Denver - the first 'hill' taken in this brave new 'peace offensive.'

Beyond that - as a matter of documentation for crucial reference, the Oakland 'safety committee' records their meetings on video.

[Long rambling side argument removed]

The video is what counts because it's what shows that tells (beats any tell of mine) - 'the play is the thing' -

http://oakland.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=3248&meta_id=265456 - The Item 8 ‘decriminalize...’ show begins at 14:57


The measure was approved by the committee with 3 Ayes and 1 Abstention. That was council member Taylor whom we also meet - and wh like a lone voice in the wilderness - poses challenging question of dubious concern. No pandering, more like a first degree (low pressure) cross exam.

[More rambling removed]

DoctorLao:
Thanks to NAFPS people here kindly helping sort out facts and attendant issues in response to my inquiry:

Person of Interest Shane Norte (i.e. youtube channeler Shane Micheal).

With the help of such vitally unique input as NAFPS (which I wouldn't be able to get anywhere else), and as more information comes to light - for me a fog tends to lift enabling a clearer view of this landscape.

Two fine details of Plazola's May 12, 2021 'response' (in form, not substance by my reading) < to the “Open Letter to the Psychedelic Movement” released by the Indigenous Peyote Conservation Communication Committee on May 7th, 2021 [sic] > tend to emerge from the mists - one of commission the other of omission.

First is the 3-day mismatch between the date Plazola attributes to the Open Letter (May 7, 2021) - and the date it displays as posted at/by 'chacruna' (May 10, 2021) - now that I've found it (and see).

2nd is harder to see because, by omission, there's nothing there to see: Plazola offers no link or 'how to find' citation for the Open Letter from indigenous leadership (to which he ostensibly replies) that might help locate it - especially using the May 7 date as a 'search term.'
 Shane Norte, Native as affirmed here by voices of cultural authenticity (in kind reply to my interest) - in context of his Plazola alliance and 'high' rank official position in Decriminalize Nature (and the psychedelic promotion for which it stands):

Peyote is both central to the spiritual life of one of the oldest indigenous religions in this country, and is also in dangerously short supply. Out of respect for these realities, please take a step back and be determined to support, rather than inadvertently undermine, this religion.

Listen.

Respect and defer to representative indigenous leadership even if it is hard for you to understand.

Understand that there are processes of change happening inside these native cultures that need time and support to unfold.

If you have technical support (like CCI), offer it only when and how it is needed and directly requested.

Respect traditional knowledge and methodologies.

Notice when you are using colonial thinking or tactics:

 We know better.

 We have rights too.

 We can find someone who is native to create a dissenting opinion and tokenize to back up our point of view.
 
This has to happen NOW on western time.

Question and speak up when you see any of these behaviors playing out.

https://archive.md/mOd24#selection-3123.69-3191.70

I take a certain sense of comfort to read this clear and seemingly vivid allusion to the role of Shane Norte in this (frankly abominable by my intemperate sense of outrage) Decriminalize Nature operation with its appalling agenda of appropriation.

It's not just a case of gathering that indigenous leadership has taken note of Norte in this context, what he is doing and how - which alone would ease one aspect of what turns my hair gray and disturbs my sleep at night (as this entire thing descends like a cold dark cloud and advances, further all the time - upon society whole targeting all and sundry, indigenous and otherwise - 'inclusive').

As one who rather not 'question and speak up' out of turn (culturally) upon seeing 'these behaviors playing out' - this express plea and request from indigenous leadership helps me feels to me as if my attempt to grapple with a dark nameless horror enveloping society whole - isn't problematic to indigenous leadership, in fact - I feel a sense of relief even perhaps encouragement.

I only wish there were more I could do that stand back like a helpless bystander witnessing this entire spectacle of human exploitation spreading as it consumes and absorbs everything in reach - grimly intent, all hellbent on claiming its 'rights' and staking out the supremacy of its psychedelic authority.

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DoctorLao:
Plazola’s May 12, 2021 letter replying to indigenous leadership’s Open Letter (of May 10, 2021, addressing Decriminalize Nature) - was staged as a ‘response’ to it as Plazola expressly states in writing. But with zero credibility; considering his evasive non-response blatantly deflected every single concern put before him so eloquently articulated, and clearly expressed.

But as now appears (by a new wrinkle I've just found out about):

The ‘false flag’ tactical nature of Plazola’s letter (by my assessment) doesn’t mean that Decriminalize Nature isn’t responding. Even reflecting points conscientiously posed by native voices of concern in their exact language - by appropriation, dressing in it (like sheep’s clothing).

This just in.

FYI (on chance it has not yet come to the attention of anyone else here): Here is the latest in Decriminalize Nature’s guerilla war against indigenous interests and rights - a sharp escalation in DN's ‘peace offensive’ - against a last precious remnant shred of native religious sovereignty.

A "battering ram" strategy (as I might call it) against NAC rights, now circumventing recalcitrant native leadership:

https://www.change.org/p/city-council-allow-sustainable-peyote-cultivation-before-it-s-too-late/c

Allow sustainable Peyote cultivation before it's too late

Decriminalize Nature started this petition to Government Elected and Appointed Officials - 2 weeks ago

Decriminalize Nature’s Peyote Petition Statement:
Allow Sustainable Peyote Cultivation

[NOTE: ‘Psychonauts’ are being solicited at reddit on urgent alert to mobilize, sign this petition to < to Government Elected and Appointed Officials > (Nature Decriminalization seems to be getting fed up with trying to reach any understanding with these recalcitrant native peyotists standing on their legal rights and indigenous leadership) - get the target number of signatures needed to put this sick puppy through its hoop – whereby “local news” can achieve a media PR rallying effect able to overpower any measures that would otherwise obstruct - especially native leadership and exclusive legal protection struggling to hold on to one of few precious remnants of native sovereignty and ways of life and living, against infringement such as targeted with clear intent by this insurgency: Help the sustainability of this magnificent cactus – Oct 20, 2021 https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics/comments/qbpv2o/help_the_sustainability_of_this_magnificent/ ]

The decriminalization of personal cultivation of peyote is necessary for the protection and long-term survival of this threatened species. As national, state and local policy initiatives seek to implement the decriminalization of all sacred plants, Decriminalize Nature and signers of this petition find that they must specifically DEMAND that personal cultivation of peyote BY ANY PEOPLES also be permitted. [capitalization editorially added for emphasis, to spotlight ‘the decriminalizing nature of the beast’]

Signers of this position support decriminalizing the personal cultivation of peyote while also committing to work to preserve the remaining native peyote habitat in a culturally, socially, and spiritually ethical manner designed for healing.

As a plant that is sacred and necessary to support many Indigenous cultures, and one that is widely harvested in its native habitat, the ability to personally cultivate will not only provide a pathway to maintaining the species in the wild, but also provides another pathway to ensure that all people are able to obtain the sacrament that is their tradition.
We strongly support efforts to avoid giving non-native people the impression that they would now have rights to acquire, possess, use, or transport peyote in or from Texas and Mexico. We find that support for this effort is consistent with permitting personal cultivation, which will ultimately serve to take pressure off the Indigenous peyote supply; pressure that is almost certain to grow over time, especially as the spiritual and curative properties of the plant sacred to many traditions become better understood.

[Spam removed]

To take all this in reading this rhetoric of aggression passively deceptive and covertly manipulative - leaves me with a motherless feeling of suffocation bordering on doom.

As a helpless bystander to this chilling spectacle inexorably unfolding - I can only recall the hostage audience of grief-stricken angels in Poe’s "Conqueror Worm” - watching the play - play out. Which together they recognize, in the end, as “the tragedy, Man” – by its familiar story line - “much of madness, more of sin and horror the soul of the plot.” But unable to intervene, powerless to do anything but bear witness, be horrified even traumatized - and mourn.

Perhaps the only thing this culturally rapacious Decriminalize Nature malignancy can do is - run its course, as it progresses to Stage 4. Devastating whatever "necessary" along the way in its storm path.

This latest exhibit in evidence resembles a significant uptick to my eye. And it displays what I'm too well cognizant of for my liking - of the psychedelic movement’s pattern since it spawned - mid 20th C.

It is now riding its tiger with all the ferocity it can muster - more than ever before on the rampage in its authoritarian pursuit of hellbent psychedelic power to the people, knowing no boundaries of conscience or humane purpose - only its appetite for everything all the time, with no limits.

As reflects through its glass darkly, it will stop at nothing in its reckless haste to have its satisfaction, with no lines it will not cross. Until the psychedelic inevitability has claimed its every privilege and prerogative as entitled, at the price of what little is left of any indigenous sovereignty. 

This is the pattern of history at its worst and most alarming - and the familiar face of our species’ auld friend of long acquaintance: Man’s inhumanity to man. With its endless guises and theater. Always weaving its trail of destruction second to none, casually acting not just innocent - but the ultimate in benevolence. With its glorious ends that perpetually justify its means - by any means 'necessary' - and its historic track record of traumatic destruction and dehumanization.

As history shows again and again: those who ride their tiger in pursuit of their agendas of power, in the Act 3 finale (when at last it comes) – end up on the inside.

But only when the final die is cast. In the meantime causing untold destruction in endless ways – all human exploitation all the time.

To witness this impending repeat of history’s same old worst mistakes - by a species seemingly unable to learn (thus doomed to only repeat them) – is enough to freeze the blood in my veins. Maybe for me there will at least be a career in circus side show as I freeze up inwardly, and frost gathers thicker all the time encasing me. I can almost hear the carnival barker's pitch now: SEE the human glacier
 
This is like writing on the wall, darker and darker all the time as it spreads and worsens. A major uptick in the sheer fury of this aggression with mounting determination, not about to be stopped by anything, as it appears to me.

educatedindian:
This really is going off topic, and close to spamming all kinds of superfluous information, side arguments, sidetracks, and generally rambling and using a lot of hyperbole. Stick to Norte and his church, nothing else.

I'm deleting as much of the spam from your last four posts as possible. If you want to argue those points, go elsewhere.

I'm asking all the longtime members of NAFPS, should we move this thread on Norte to Archives?

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