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General => Welcome & News => Topic started by: crazyeagle on November 02, 2007, 02:52:14 pm
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Statement from Zoi Lightfoot – Director of Legal Affairs – Treaty House London UK
An Explanation of who Zoi Lightfoot is:
Zoi Lightfoot is enrolled Anishinaabe. She is Leonard Peltiers Cousin and she also is a lawyer who works for Native Rights in the UN and lives in London UK. Zoi Lightfoot is also recognized by the Women Title Holders of the Mohawk Nation.
This statement was made to the committee members yesterday Saturday 20th October 2007 of Friends of Native Nations Network in London UK which comprises of English people with regards to Volunteer work for the Gathering in May 2008 in London UK which is Being organized by the Members of the international Intertribal Community.
It is my understanding that members of the International Intertribal Community (IIC), Linda Lou Flewin and myself are present at your AGM to update you all on the Gathering of Nations. Unfortunately that is somewhat difficult for us as a member of your own committee has seen fit to contact Linda Lou directly stating that they have heard certain falsehoods concerning the Gathering. Falsehoods they choose to believe without having the decency to check before they wrote to Linda Lou Flewin to tell her on the basis of FALSE accusations, they could not/would not support the Gathering of Nations.
This begs a question from me. When the founding NNN members sat in MY home certain founding principles were agreed between the groups. Concerning malicious undermining and illegal slanders. You either have a problem of internal communication which you need to address amongst yourselves at your next meeting or you feel you have come so far you no longer need to hold true to your founding principals.
Question? Where did your committee member get the notion the Gathering of Nations did not exist, that it was some “activist??? plot orchestrated by Linda Lou Flewin, Consular Director for Canadian Affairs, Liz Roemer UK Based IIC member and Larry D. Nichols IIC member based in Germany.
That this “plot??? is to defraud the pow wow hobbyists in the UK of donations, which will be used to bring “AIM Activists??? to the UK for the sole purpose of destroying the Pow wow re-enactments in the UK and Germany.
Our peoples have been obstructed from presenting the DOCUMENTED facts at the Pow wows in relation to these highly illegal accusations. They are subject to a form of hobbyist racial segregation. So, before I update you on the Gathering, let me bring you up to speed on the total background of this matter the Indian Nations themselves are monitoring closely.
Our Peoples overseas are not just a “few??? Indians scattered across Europe, the IIC represents approximately one eighth of our combined sovereign nations populous residing overseas. We respect the fact a majority of you do not see our ethnic community as a social club or playground for the racially confused. Sadly, there will always be those who presume that reading a few books and dressing up and enjoying a Pow wow for a few hours gives them the right to lie directly to us and assault members of the Indian Nations when they make false claims of being Indian.
Our Members have been spat at, subject to threats concerning homes, families and personal safety. Cut and paste slanderous misinformation, some lifted and corrupted from our own central communications with Indian Nations. One individual even going so far as to play a real life 21st century game of Calvary vs. Indians on a US Army Base in Germany when their apparent racial ignorance was so bad they were told to produce their CDIB card and prove they were Indian.
Another two are a husband and wife team. He is British and she is German. She claimed the following: her mother was a veteran of Alcatraz, currently in hiding in Germany from the FBI. That her sibling whose hair she hangs in her living room to honor her was murdered by the FBI at yet another confrontation with the federal forces during the reign of terror and that she murdered her abusive father.
Problem was she chose of her own free will and volition to broadcast this to the Indian Nations through our central communications. The Veterans of Alcatraz were listening as were the grieving families of those who did not survive those dark times and they did not care much for this woman whose own horrified mother was telling us she was lying and whose father was alive the last time he introduced himself to members of the IIC.
She took their personal history, their grief and pain and turned it into a Twinkie lie and a mockery. It would be fair to say the direct response to her was swift and in some instances “colorful???
The spouse of this individual however was less concerned for his wife’s well being and more interested in blaming someone for the fact the Indian people themselves would have the audacity to object. That he ignored sound legal advice to the contrary and at the Bison Farm Pow wow UK did seek out and instigate an aggressive confrontation with Linda Lou Flewin and Liz Roemer. Such was the personally misplaced anger of this man; he did literally spit his low racial opinion of the Mi’kmaq peoples and Nation into the face of Linda Lou Flewin. In turn becoming equally abusive towards Liz Roemer.
Linda Lou ended any further abuse by slamming her hand on the table in front of her stating “that’s enough! You are an arrogant racially abusive Englishman??? when this individual turned his attention on our ancient clan lodge system, declaring our clan mothers and protocols to be “sexist???
Some days after that Pow Wow Linda Lou was contacted by an English policeman PC3435 Ian Hallam as this individual had made a complaint of racial harassment against Linda Lou as she had called the Individual an “ENGLISHMAN??? PC3435 Ian Hallam was made aware of the entire facts about the initial assault on her personally inclusive of the fact legal council had been made aware of the incident.
Since that time all that these people have been saying and doing has been passed onto all Nations.
The latest fad to hit town, is being stupid enough to claim to be from the same rez as Linda Lou and her Sister and that they are not Mi’kmaq. This on the Facebook website which they all have access to and which will be left there so the Nation can see what is happening in Europe’s underbelly with our own peoples.
All IIC (International Intertribal Community) members in Europe are experiencing malicious phone calls from silence to native music being played loudly and toilets flushing. So we all understand each other, these are central consular communications that are accessed and broadcast to our nations. As of today my official legal council is that we will report malicious calls to both service providers and police.
Any notion that non-Indian peoples can openly assault members of our nations residing overseas is naïve in the extreme. Any notion we will be told how unreasonable taking legal actions against these people is labouring under the notion “we are all related??? needs to adjust to the fact there are no exclusion clauses for the Indian people when it comes to internationally recognized race laws. We will protect OUR OWN.
Now this brings me to the Gathering. Given that the Grand Chief of the Mi’kmaq Nation has agreed in principle to attend the Gathering amongst others, given the way one of his peoples has been assaulted and racially abused, I can understand why this tiny minority of the hobbyist culture would be nervous about his presence. So let’s set the record straight shall we.
As most of you are aware and have seen, there is in existence a document in the form of a letter dated 19th July 1995 from Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II granting formal liberty for the Sovereign Nations to gather and convene in the United Kingdom.
Admittedly we do not require Her Majesties permission to convene in her sovereign territory, but as history shows and treaty obligations dictate it’s just not the done thing to not clearly state your objective and ask before one race of people descends on another. We take sovereign autonomy very seriously be it our individual Nations and their dealings with each other or the sovereignty of another races Nation.
At this present moment in time for The Gathering in London the members of the International Intertribal Community are entering a partnership with an established National Events Organizer in London UK who has lined up a major internationally recognized celeb to take on the media and press promotions side of things. We have interest from venues such as the Barbican and Roundhouse at this time. Plus have active interest from the Hard Rock Café and Hotel Chain who are due to be handed into the ownership of the Seminole Nation next year. They have expressed an interest in sponsoring the music side of the venues.
To date we are still chasing corporate sponsorship for the film venues, a theatre, and exhibition space and or convention centre of some scale. We have Chiefs from several Nations, two complete dance troops, speakers, actors, craft makers and musicians. Most of which have confirmed and the list is growing.
If you choose to support us great, if not then we thank you for at least considering it. As for the Twinkie rubbish. Well the time has come for them to stop inciting hobbyist against our peoples and take legal responsibility for their own actions. We have been polite, we have asked, we have told, and now we are pushing back through the courts because this is where the racist BS stops. End of statement
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Larry D. Nichols IIC member based in Germany
I'm a bit confused. Who is Larry D. Nichols ? Is he Comanche or Muskogee ? Is the IIC an organization of exploiters, or does it support protecting Native culture and rights?
The website below discusses a situation in Germany where some Native performers were not paid , and Larry Nichols mentions calling the Comanche Nation and arranging assistance .
http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/ (http://drveda.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/indianer-show-in-mannheim-maimarktgelande-13-juli-22-juli-2007/)
August 12th, 2007 at 1:13
Larry Nichols
Knowing that the organizers had not paid the Hotel and the people, I could only guess that they had not paid the transportation bills for the buses either. That was when I called the Comanche Nation Headquarters and informed them what was happening and that the people would need transportation from Dallas, Texas to Oklahoma. I was insured that the Comanche Nation would pick up the cost and so I informed some of the people here that everything would be ok, and to tell the others that their families should pick them up at the Comanche Nation Headquarters in Lawton, Oklahoma.
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Larry Nichols
I have read here also that there are German hobbyist groups that want to help, even those that have misused our culture, traditions and have even stolen Native American flags and misused them.
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This mention of the flag sounds like the same incident that was posted in NAFPS in 2004. At that time , Larry Nichols was said to be representing the Comanche Nation in Germany.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=11.msg12#msg12 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=11.msg12#msg12)
Exploiters of the Comanche
October 26, 2004, 09:26:55 am
From: "francis grey wolf" <francis@f...>
Grey Wolf
Chief Larry Nichols who does represent the Comanche Nation in Germany was stunned to discover that the Comanche Flag which was given to the Linden Museum in Stuttgart by the then chairman Johnny Wauqua ...
In 2004 it sounds like Larry Nichols was associated with Francis Grey Wolf and Lightening
Bear.
Grey Wolf
Professor Guenter Fischer, Chief Larry Nichols, my blood brother Dr Lightning Bear, myself and others totalling approximately 24 people ...
But in other places Larry Nichols is said to be the tribal chieftain of the Muskogee / Creek
http://www.matern-feuerbacher-realschule.de/presse2004.htm (http://www.matern-feuerbacher-realschule.de/presse2004.htm)
Larry Strong wolf Nichols, chieftain of the Blackwater volume OF Lower Muskokees, Member OF the Choctawhatchee Creek Indian nation OF North west Florida and official representative of its trunk in Europe had kindly ready explained itself to report to the topic "native Americans" in the English instruction.
The old website of the Blackwater band repeated this same information ;
http://web.archive.org/web/20040804175908/http://theblackwaterband.tripod.com/id17.htm
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Tvstvnvke & Representative to Germany : Larry D. Nichols "Strong Wolf"
But is the Blackwater tribe of the Lower Muskogee even a real tribe? The names and pictures in the above link aren't very convincing . And then there is this comment from Dabosijigwokush ;
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1006 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1006)
Grey Wolf & Tonya
Reply #35 on: January 20, 2007, 12:49:00 am »
The Blackwater Tribe of The Lower Mvskokee ring a bell thats whats on you addopation forgies the real name is The Blackwater Band of Lower Mvskokee inc. a 501 c3 club not FEDERALLY NON-RECOGNIZED not STATE RECOGNIZED not FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED a club and that is all not native bye any means
http://home.arcor.de/muskokee/pow.htm (http://home.arcor.de/muskokee/pow.htm)
Reception in Untergruppenbach Creek Indians fight for their rights
"This day is a step in the history of our tribe," said visibly moved Strong Wolf. His real name is Larry Nichols. He is the brother of Creek-Häuptlings Blue Eyes and lives in Heilbronn. "We need help so that our American government recognizes as a people," said Nichols, Europe ambassadors of his tribe. And the official reception in
Untergruppenbach show the American leadership that people of other countries recognize the Indians. Mayor Haiber went even further: "If they go back home, you have the certainty that this new found friends."
So Larry is a tribal ambassador in Europe , but his tribe isn't recognized , and may not rightly deserve recognition , but he is hoping getting tribal recognition from European officials is going to help ?
And the group the IIC is working with Larry Nichols in the hopes of teaching Europeans to treat Native people and culture with more respect ?
Like I say , I am a bit confused . It isn't at all clear who is working with the exploiters, and who is working against them . Maybe I just don't understand who Larry Nichols is, or what the IIC is trying to achieve ?
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Hi Moma ..
OK..IIC stands for International Intertribal Community...this is merely another way of saying ex-pat natives. The need for a NA community spirit is strong in Europe as so many of the Nations are now over here and we could all do with a lil support from time to time.
Larry D Nichols is Muskogee...and yes Larry Nichols did arrange with Chairman Coffey of the Comanche Nation to help the stranded natives.
Larry Nichols DOES NOT represent the Comanche Nation in Germany..they have their own representative there who I have met.Larry Nichols helped them to get the flag back. I dont know the ins and outs of it all or who he was with or the circumtances behind it.
I will leave the rest up to him to explain to you all as I wasnt there at the time and have only known him for a year and a half.
Larry Nichols is a member of the International Intertribal Community(IIC) Just as the rest of us are as we are all ex-pat natives.
I hope that makes things clearer...lol........
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The whole thing confused me
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Let me make sure I am understanding this so far ...
The IIC is organizing a Gathering for May 2008 .
The Friends of Native Nations Network( NNN ) in London UK , is made up of English people , who sound like they had considered doing some volenteer work in regards to this gathering . The statement , written by Zoi which is quoted in the first post , was addressed to the NNN .
The NNN , was given some information which made them decide they did not want to support the Gathering that was being organized by the IIC . Zoi and other members of the IIC attended a NNN meeting to explain that the information the NNN had been given was false .
Have I got that straight so far ?
I was wondering what kind of support the IIC provides to Native people living overseas, but I wasn't able to find out because when I do a Google search on the IIC or "International Intertribal Community", or IIC UK ,nothing comes up .
Is there an on line link to this international organization?
I see in the first post it is mentioned that Zoi is "the Director of Legal Affairs Treaty House UK" , but then I do a google search on "Treaty House" UK the only thing that comes up is a treaty house in Uxbridge UK , that has been in existence since the 1600 , and as far as i can tell , has nothing to do with indigenous peoples . There is also a treaty house in New Zealand .
So what is "Treaty House"? Is there an on line link to this international organization?
Is Linda Lou Flewin's position of Consular Director for Canadian Affairs with the IIC , or Treaty House in the UK , or something else entirely ?
Sorry to ask what might be dumb questions but I did try and find the answers but couldn't find anything for any of these organizations at all .
Zoi says the IIC represents approximately one eighth of the combined sovereign nations populous residing overseas. She also says she doesn't like people making false claims of being Indian , and there has been problems with Native people being assaulted when they confront these lies.
Because the IIC has been exposing peoples lies , they say they have been experiencing harrasment ;
Zoi
"All IIC (International Intertribal Community) members in Europe are experiencing malicious phone calls from silence to native music being played loudly and toilets flushing."
So , I would guess from these statements , the IIC does not support people claiming to be Indian who aren't?
Zoi , speaking on behalf of the IIC says ;
"We take sovereign autonomy very seriously be it our individual Nations and their dealings with each other or the sovereignty of another races Nation."
As the IIC claims to take sovereign autonomy very seriously , what is the IIC's position on supporting the claims of unrecognized tribes and people claiming to be the chiefs or ambassadors of these possibly bogus tribes in Europe ?
Does the IIC know if the federally recognized Creek/ Muskogee Nation in Oklahoma , officially supports and recognizes the Blackwater band oF Lower Muskokees, or the Choctawhatchee Creek Indian Nation OF North West Florida ?
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The thing I picked up on was the mention of the couple. One was allegedly Indian and married to an Englishman. A very abusive Ibdiab man. I think that couplke might be the ones in another thread. The woman that calls herself "hounting wolf."
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Yes , the couple that is mentioned sounds like the same couple previously mentioned - Tonya Hountingwolf or Billington , and Francis Grey Wolf or Billington. There is a thread about them , and they misrepresent both Native culture and themselves as Indians.
I am still not sure what exactly the IIC or "Treaty House" is, what their policy is towards questionable claims of Indian identity , or how these groups are interconnected with the unrecognized Blackwater Muskogee tribe. I hope someone will explain.
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Phew..lol...OK..I will explain it best as I can Moma..lol..grins here.
Treaty House London is in its infancy stages..it is currently being set up as a Ltd Comany for the purpose of the Gathering...it was decided a Ltd company as charitable status is long winded and covered with red tape..However it also serves as an educational resource for the non native community and a support resource for ex-pats living/travelling abroad. A mission statement on Treaty House will be issed soon.
Yes, you have it right in that FoNNN is composed of english people. Zoi was the Chairperson of the original NNN and Linda Lou was looking after IT resources.
To be pedantic..The Gathering is being organised under the wing of Treaty House and the IIC members are doing the organising. The reason for this is so that finances can be scrutinized if so required by an independant body.
Linda Lou's position of Consular Director of Canadian Affairs is for Treaty House London UK.
You are absolutely correct in that IIC members WILL NOT support people claiming to be indian when they are not.
Treaty House will not support bogus tribes or chiefs or medicine men/shamens in any form.
"Does the IIC know if the federally recognized Creek/ Muskogee Nation in Oklahoma , officially supports and recognizes the Blackwater band oF Lower Muskokees, or the Choctawhatchee Creek Indian Nation OF North West Florida ?"
I cannot comment on the above question.
A web site is currently being created for Treaty House but a myspace site has been set up for Teaty House and the Gathering
Here is the link
www.myspace.com/treatyhouse
OK..I hope I have managed to answr you questions..I hope i havent left anything out..that was quite along one..lol....
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Thanks for answering most of those questions Crazy Eagle . It was quite long , and maybe even a bit obnoxious of me to ask em , but I guess asking lots of questions is what we do here . It is really difficult to know who people are in cyberspace .
I'm glad to here your organization won't be supporting frauds or exploiters .
You might want to ask some questions about that black water tribe . Below is a link to a picture of guests to Germany from the Blackwater Tribe of the Lower Muskokees in Northwest Florida:
David Lee Nichols, Vice Chief Turkey Caller Tolbert, Tribal Princess Erin Ford , Larry D. Nichols and Bryan McCaullum
http://web.archive.org/web/20061019062648/home.arcor.de/muskokee/pow05.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20061019062648/home.arcor.de/muskokee/pow05.htm)
Do the Muskokee really have Tribal Princesses ?
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Their flights are paid by the Blackwater Band of Lower Muskokees Germany e.V. from donations that are taken in on an individual voluntary basis. Therefore, any and all donations for this purpose only, are welcomed and appreciated to support the Lower Muskokee/Creek Native Americans of Northwest Florida in our fight for recognition from the United States Government and also to offset the costs needed to help fulfill our cultural exchange goal.
I guess members of the IIC already know these people ... .
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:8H4rU_ZYCOsJ:home.arcor.de/muskokee/pow07.
htm+Liz+Roemer+Muskokee/Creek&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=ca (http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:8H4rU_ZYCOsJ:home.arcor.de/muskokee/pow07.
htm+Liz+Roemer+Muskokee/Creek&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=ca)
6. NATIVE AMERICAN POW-WOW
Blackwater Band of Lower Muskokees e.V.
15. and 16. September 2007
in Heilbronn-Horkheim, Germany
Special Guests (Subject to change)
Prof. Dr. Günther Fischer Ambassador Comanche Nation Lawton, Oklahoma
Elder Frances Helen Elliott Muskokee/Creek from Florida
Elder Liz Roemer Muskokee/Creek from UK
Elder Ben Sherman from the Lakota Nation
Elder Peter “Pedro??? Woerner Choctaw/Creek from Germany
Steve Travis Muskokee/Creek from Alabama
Linda Lou Flewin from the Miqamag Nation Canada
Alan Roy from the Lakota Nation
American Legion Post 79 Veterans Department of France
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Thank you for the information Moma...
IIC know of some of these people - tho not all.
I can state that neither Liz Roemer or Linda Lou Flewin attended the 2007 Pow Wow in Germany.
I also appreciate your questions..as you say..you dont know how many guises people come under on the Internet and it is wise to be safe.
Should you have any further questions I will only be too happy to answer them to the best of my ability.
Have a great weekend!
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I read that again and just realized those two nuts actually did carry out their threat of suing for "racism" because someone said "Englishman." Lucky they didn't win, or Barnaby could get every penny I have...
And it looks like they took it even further, actually, spitting and threats.
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Sure,as my statement,what i actualy DID write,begin's with the words:"It is my understanding" and therefore I am expected to explain what some one else ADDED to a statement i wrote.For your info,I am Mississippi Band Anishinabe.Word of warning,I am no fraud,my statement was geared to those who physicaly assaulted members of the indian nations (ex Pats)residing overseas,and I am well aware some folks currently lurking in Napfs are members of the same UK Pow wow network,whom are labouring under the illusion they can attack Indian peoples,these wouls be the fakes and PODIAs you all seem so anti.Got better things to do than play game's with people,if you have a problem spit it out then get a lawyer.
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Sure,as my statement,what i actualy DID write,begin's with the words:"It is my understanding" and therefore I am expected to explain what some one else ADDED to a statement i wrote.For your info,I am Mississippi Band Anishinabe.Word of warning,I am no fraud,my statement was geared to those who physicaly assaulted members of the indian nations (ex Pats)residing overseas,and I am well aware some folks currently lurking in Napfs are members of the same UK Pow wow network,whom are labouring under the illusion they can attack Indian peoples,these wouls be the fakes and PODIAs you all seem so anti.Got better things to do than play game's with people,if you have a problem spit it out then get a lawyer.
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Zoi
I am having a hard time understanding why someone who joined this message board to expose frauds and educate people about exploiters would be so hostile to people for noticing inconsitencies and asking the type of questions that get asked here all the time. Sure sometimes people are suspisious ans ask questions and these concerns turn out to be unwarrented , but I can't see how people can know if peoples claims ar true without asking questions . I have to wonder why you come accross with such a threatening tone , like you are trying to intimidate people into NOT asking questions, when encouraging people to do this is the whole point of this forum. How are people supposed to know who is trustworthy and who isn't if they are scared they might offend the people who are legit if they ask questions ?
Although I have had no reason to spend too much time wondering about your claims to be Anishinabe , I do notice you are frequently giving out what sounds like legal information and even advice, when you have provided no way to verify you actually are licenced or trained in law.
Giving out legal advice is a position of public trust , and asking for some way to verify this through an on line link showing your law office , or your attending a UN meeting as a lawyer, seems like it should be something that would not be impossible to provide, and if you were who you claim to be , people asking for a way to verify this , does not seem like something that would give offence.
Your hostile and defensive reactions to people making reasonable observations and requests for ways to verify claims, really do make me wonder wht you really care about. If you wanted to stop frauds and exploiters, it would seem you would understand people needing to be skeptical and ask questions - even if sometimes the concerns turned out to be unfounded or include being skeptical of claims made by YOU and your friends...
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I think Crazy Eagle posted the first part of Zoi's being Anishinabe and with the Treaty House, UK. She also posted a statemement. Later Zoi came and posted she was Mississippi Band, Two different people. Two different ways of writting something. If I have time, I will look for it laterl
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Um.........just FYI, LIGHTFOOT is a Cherokee Family name. Just thought I would throw that in.
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Why would someone throw this little tid bit in?
Got better things to do than play game's with people,if you have a problem spit it out then get a lawyer.
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i belive zoi
if not the uk group then the us goverment is watching to
and probley even more goverments are watching as well
so be on you best behavour
for you represent your nation and not just your self
it is easy to hide behind lies,but only for a short time,
and when the truth comes out, it will haunt you for a long time if not forever
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I see where Lightfoot is a surname of some Anishinabe people ...
http://books.google.ca/books?id=q8yZuPjMM9kC&pg=PA121&lpg=PA121&dq=Lightfoot++
anishinabe&source=web&ots=IHS4hK7QEu&sig=-KG7dqulMqSxtFCDs5P4aFLPcxQ&hl=en#PPA121,M1 (http://books.google.ca/books?id=q8yZuPjMM9kC&pg=PA121&lpg=PA121&dq=Lightfoot++
anishinabe&source=web&ots=IHS4hK7QEu&sig=-KG7dqulMqSxtFCDs5P4aFLPcxQ&hl=en#PPA121,M1)
The Everlasting Sky: Voices of the Anishinabe People
By Gerald Robert Vizenor, Gerald
Page 121
Ray Lightfoot who was born on the Red lLake Reservation has worked for the bureau for more than 30 years ..............
Within a year of the occupation of the area office by miltants , Lightfoot was promoted to area director. For the first time an Oshki Anishinabe was in charge of programs in 4 states........
I guess other people may have other questions , but my response to Zoi was just because I don't think stopping frauds and exploiters can be done if people are afraid to ask questions. If people are who they say they are , I don't see why people asking questions and having doubts about someone they don't know, needs to be a cause for getting offended.
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There's several Lightfoot in Ontario also, and they sure not Cherokee. And then you have Gordon.
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I just put that out there because there are a lot of Cherokee Lightfoot, was not accusing or assuming.
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Winona LaDuke also belongs to the Mississippi Band if I remember correctly. Zoi is a cousin of Leonard Peltier and has been active in his cause for a long time.
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Leonard is half Lakota and Chippewa from the Turtle Mountain band of Chippewa.
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Tansi;
Could some of the confusion come from the Anishnabe people having been known as Ojibwe or Chippewa?
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Go here:
http://www.whiteearth.com/home.html
Click on 'history'.
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On November 18 I sent the PM below to Zoi Lightfoot .
Please provide a way to confirm your identity
« Sent to: zoi lightfoot on: November 18, 2008, 02:26:08 pm »
« Bcc: educatedindian »
Hi Zoi
As you know I am concerned about people in a position of public trust claiming to be someone they aren't.
I'm sorry to be suspisious of you and your organization Treaty House, but when I do a search online I can't find a single official UN webpage or other affiliated professional organization which mentions of a " Zoi Lightfoot " working as a lawyer on behalf of indigenous rights in the UN.
This seems a bit unlikely if you were who you say you are.
There has been inquiries made in the Native community , even with Leonard Peltiers family, and so far I have not found anyone who knows you or your family.
I want to be fair. It may be the people making these inquiries just haven't asked the right person
If you are who you say you are, I would like to confirm this through PMs. I would then post something explaining I have confirmed this along with an publicly posted apology for doubting you.
On the other hand , if I can't confirm that you are who you say you are, and that you are doing what you are doing, with the approval of the Nation you claim, then I would feel the need to start a thread in Research Needed titled "Treaty House" .
Could you please help avoid an unnecesary confrontation by providing me with an email address to someone in the Tribal Council ending with the Tribal Councils
@whiteearth.com
who is willing to confirm you are who you say you are, and that you do have the approval of the Tribe you claim to be starting a 'European Native American Embassy' in the UK .
You could tell them to watch for an gmail from PJ Morgan asking about Zoi Lightfoot.
Please note This PM is "semi private" communication. it is Bcc to Al and I fully intend to publicly post any and all information I receive which I feel may be in the public interest.
Either in confirmation of who you are, or in confirmation of who you are not.
PJ Morgan is an alias and I state this on every email I send under this psuedonom . Please don't think this is my real name.
http://www.indigenouspeople.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=45
"First Nations Gathering
The idea of a 'First Nations Gathering' was broached in June 2007 by the group setting up Treaty House. This will be the largest International Intertribal Gathering ever to be held in Europe, planned for 10 – 16 May 2008. It will be an annual showcase event featuring Native American Film, Art and Music together with educational talks and workshops to raise awareness, challenge stereotypes and to focus on current thinking among the First Nations of the Americas.
The Gathering was inspired by the Treaty House project, originated and led by Native American ex-pats living in the UK, with support and approval from Indigenous elders and communities from the US. It is an idea in the making. A Native American cultural and political centre in London, run by First American Nations, providing a focal point for thousands of ex-pats living in Europe. Treaty House is to be a 'European Native American Embassy', a resource centre, point of contact and a cultural bridge for the host community, disseminating information from source, organising and hosting a variety of cultural and political events and producing publications aimed at promoting a true and contemporary image of Native American Nations into the mainstream.
With this aim, we are organising the international First Nations Gathering for 2008 or 2009. Funds raised from the Gathering will go towards setting up Treaty House.
( The article quoted above continues )
A meeting was held with representatives of Indigenous People, the
Native Spirit Festival, First Nations Gathering and the Synergy Centre
to plan and co-ordinate the event for next year. The FNG team includes
:
· Zoi Lightfoot of the Anishinabe Nation, a lawyer for Native
American rights in the UN, living in London.
· Linda Lou Flewin of the Mi'kmaq Nation, a business
entrepreneur, living in Wiltshire.
· Liz Roemer of the Creek/Cherokee Nation, a retired American
Navy IT professional, living in Berkshire.
· Sanda Kolar, a film / documentary maker with strong links to
American indigenous communities, living in London.
FNG have strong links with the Leonard Peltier Defense Campaign,
and with a large network of indigenous performers and campaigners,
including Warrior Artist Productions, who perform "My Life Is My Sun"
by Lenoard Peltier, accompanied by an exhibition of his artwork.
Strong links also exist with the Kevin Locke Native Dance Ensemble and
associated artists, Blackfire and the Jones Benally Family and Joanne
Shenandoah among other Native American performers, artists, spiritual
leaders and intellectuals confirmed for this years Gathering. "
I have yet to recieve any reply from Zoi .
I have a number of concerns .
In my dictionary the definition of the word "Embassy" is
1 The position of an ambassador:also his official recidence
2 an ambassador and his assistents
and the definition of ambassador is;
1 A government agent of the highest rank representing his countries
interests at a foriegn capital
2 any representive or agent charged with a special mission
If Treaty House is to be an "Native American Embassy" in Europe it
seems there needs to be at least a few federally recognized tribes which officially endorse and support this idea. So far I haven't found one.
If this so called "Embassy" does have the approval of the tribal Nations , as is claimed it seems "the public" should be able to easily confirm that the organizers of this do in fact have this approval. Instead, my requests for a way to verify this have either been ignored or met with verbal abuse and threats. After emailing an organization in Europe asking if they knew Zoi I learned my inquirey had been passed on to Zoi and Linda Lou Flewin and I recieved an email from Linda Lou threatening to "track me down" and "deal with me". This is not an appropriate response when people have questions about the legitimacy of Treaty House.
My next concern is that everbody I have seen associsted with Treaty House seems to be only marginally connected with any Native community.
Linda Lou has posted quite a bit of her genealogy and life story on line over the years, and according to her she has Mi'kmaq blood through her mother and was adopted by a family in the UK , where she was raised. As an adult she has visited the Mi'kmaq community where she has been accepted by some of the people as family. I'm not sure about some of the details, but peoples private lives and personalities aren't really the concern of this message board. I see no reason to doubt the basic story Linda Lou tells, but I do question her right to create a political organization referred to as an "Native American Embassy " representing Native people in the UK, and to be the "Consular Director of Canadian Affairs " for this organization.
Liz Roemer was affiliated with the Blackwater Muskogee. A thread on that group is here;
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1735.0
On page 4 in reply Reply #86 there is emails recieved from the federally recognized Muskogee saying they do not recognize the Blackwater Muskogee as a tribe or a Nation and they have no right to represent them in Europe.
Although Zoi retracted her support when it could no longer be denied this group was making bogus claims , both Zoi and Linda Lou were adamant supporters of these distant descendents right to call themselves a tribe and a Nation and attacked the people questioning this right.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1739.0
Zoi has also been a defender and supporter of the person who was posting here as Tsisqua. This is especially concerning as this support appeared to be given even after it was pointed out Tsisqua's organization NAU was stealing the names of incarcerated American Indians to create the illusion of having associates and relatives in the Native community. One of my initial concerns about Tsisqua and NAU , was it's claim to be uniting Native voices for political purposes, when there seemed to be no way of verifying how many of the members of NAU were actually enrolled NDNs. Without any way to confirm this, it looked more likely to be a group uniting wannabes into a potentially political voice. Bear Warrior one of the Chiefs of the so called United People of the Cherokee Nation was listed as a member of NAU and his contributions were posted on NAU's webpages. Zoi Lightfoot and Linda Lou Flewin were also listed as members of NAU.
While every online group has a problem with people misrepresenting themselves, NAU members were very defensive of all their members right to claim a political identity as NDN.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1674.0
To see Zoi defending Tsisqua and NAU see reply #13
and Reply #72 page 3 , reply #77 page 4
and also the thread
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1751.25
page 2 see reply 47 and 48 and page 3 reply #53
Zoi once again repeats this pattern of being associated with questionable groups claiming to be political entities when she seems to be claiming to know and be involved with Chief April St Francis Merrill
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1722.25
Reply #45
Zoi Lightfoot
I DO accociate with the Abenaki as well as other communities and Nations,due to my UN work and the europeon based consular facility OWNED by the Indian Nations(of which I am its current legal director)
Reply #46
Zoi Lightfoot
Direct question here Paul,and i am just the messenger this time.
Question:
"Who is your Chief? and what is your tribe?"
That comes from
Chief April St Francis Merrill
Abenaki Nation.
Reply #52
Zoi Lightfoot
i will send you deatils of the gathering of our nations in the uk next year when the dates been finalized as we should have the Abenaki (and others) chief present
I don't know if this below is true ... But if it is, this Abenaki tribes legitimacy sounds
very questionable ...
It was posted here
http://indianz.com/board/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=31372
http://threeoaks.dakotablogs.com/2008/03/27/iaca-board-under-attack-for-supporting-pl-101-64
"The decade of the 1970's started an amazing series of events that
included thousands of individuals across the Eastern Coast and
throughout the Southeast suddenly sticking their heads out from the
underground and proclaiming to be American Indian. The whole show
reminds me of little groundhogs who, instead of determining if winter
will last longer, poke their heads up to see if they can be "Indian"
or not.
It didn't take long for organizers to gather up complete strangers and
form Indian "bands" that "existed from time immemorial". One such
group, formed in Vermont during the mid-1970's, called itself the St.
Francis /Sokoki Band of Abenakis. It didn't take long for the
organization to add it's name to the clogging arteries of the BIA
Federal Recognition folks. After extensive studies of the
organization, it's claims, and it's individuals, the BIA declined to
recognize the group as a "tribe" in 2007.Besides failing four out of
the seven mandatory criteria for acknowledgment, it was found that
only eight individuals out of the 1,171 members could demonstrate
descent from a Missisquoi Abenaki Indian Ancestor. Non of the other
members could document ancestors from the Abenaki, or any other Indian
tribe. All eight descended from the same person, Simon Obomsawin
(originally from Canada) . In addition, these eight did not become
involved with the group until the 1990's."
I don't mean to take away from peoples connection with their ancestors. But when this becomes mainly non native people claiming a political identity , this does become a problem , and is seen as a threat to recognition and the soverienty of many indigenous Nations.
http://taskforce.cherokee.org/
"Welcome To taskforce.cherokee.org
Cherokee Nation (Fraudulent Indian) Task Force
A battle for what it means to be an Indian tribe and a struggle for
benefits provided to Indians is currently being waged by groups
seeking to take away the identity and benefits that have been reserved
to federally recognized Indian tribes. Hundreds of false Indian groups
are claiming to be sovereign tribes and are teaching their own
fabricated culture and history as if it were Indian. They apply for
and receive aid from the same sources that fund the historic treaty
based obligations intended for Indians. Yet they do not measure up to
the credentials required of true tribes.
Excerpt from "Sovereignty At Risk" document
The Task Force consists of volunteers from various areas of Cherokee
Nation as well as volunteers from other organizations and tribes. The
purpose of this task force is to provide information to the general
public and local/state/federal government representatives, expose
false Native American tribes, also referred to as wannabe's, and
defend the Sovereignty, History, and Culture of federally recognized
tribes."
Here is another description of how these people wrongly assuming Tribal identities are affecting true First Nations ability to have their rights and very existence recognized
http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2008/05/mohawk-nation-news-algonquins-land.html
Zoi has repetedly said she is working in the UN on behalf of indigenous peoples. I haven't seen much evidence of this, but if she is , when I see Zoi defending so many bogus groups claiming to be indigenous political entities I find that a bit scary.
Someone wrongly representing colonists and settlers who over time can claim some distant native descent , as oppressed indigenous Nations and peoples to the UN , could create a lot of confusion and muddy the issues when it comes to people abroad being able to recognize the rights and very existence of the true continuously existing and long suffering indigenous Nations on this continent.
On the positive side , I have found evidence that Zoi has been involved in the LPDC over in Europe for at least 15 years, and one European organization had good things to say about her. However , it is not for this European organization to give their approval for a Native American Embassy.
I am still concerned that no one in the North American Native community seems to know who she is or knows her family. That seems very odd.
And I doubt having been involved in the LPDC and confronting frauds or being a member of NAFPS gives people the right to claim to be an Native American Embassy in Europe.
I would really appreciate it if Zoi could provide some way of confirming that this organization Treaty House really does have the support and approval of a number of federally recognized tribes or First Nations.
As i don't think members of NAFPS have a right to approve such an organization , I would ask that online friends don't jump in to say how much they like Zoi and associated people as that is really beside the point. This approval needs to come from federally recognized Tribal councils.
If this is a legit organization the run around and abuse i have recieved trying to verify that this approval exists is really appauling.
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Now post the IPF,directors e mail to you in its entire response (both of them)I did get copies sent my dear along with everyone elses e mailed storm in a teacup.I believe you were advised NOT to approach them with aliases and cybertags,but to properly identify yourself.
Tsissy can and is capable of defending herself,you be careful with your fanciful notions and look VERY carefully at what i have said to you or this forum personaly and what i have not.
You were informed about synergy before you posted this,Like it or not you are going to have to go back a lot further than a comment made about me by Kola/IPF in the late 90s.Been organising that particular ANNUAL event for 29 years now.
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Now post the IPF,directors e mail to you in its entire response (both of them)I did get copies sent my dear along with everyone elses e mailed storm in a teacup.I believe you were advised NOT to approach them with aliases and cybertags,but to properly identify yourself.
Tsissy can and is capable of defending herself,you be careful with your fanciful notions and look VERY carefully at what i have said to you or this forum personaly and what i have not.
You were informed about synergy before you posted this,Like it or not you are going to have to go back a lot further than a comment made about me by Kola/IPF in the late 90s.Been organising that particular ANNUAL event for 29 years now.
Does this mean your years of involvement in the European branch of the LPODC is your only reference? Does this mean the approval you have for a "consuluar facility" in Europe come from KOLA ? Is KOLA the "Nations" that you claim owns "Treaty House"? If your organization is legit why would you evade my request for references in some Tribal Councils?
I would like to post the emails i exchanged with KOLA on this board, but I am a bit suprised you would ask me to do this.
I am always careful to speak the truth , and I conduct myself in a way I am not ashamed to be accountable for. As far as my own behavior and reputation, I haver no problem posting any of this.
However as the general public is not in the same position as KOLA when it comes to verifying or refuting some of the concerns I raised , if your organization is legit , I would think publishing this might unfairly raise some questions which could damage your reputation .
Are you sure you want all that publicly posted?
It seems it would be better for you to just give the names of some people who can be contacted through some specific tribal councils who officially represent the Nations you claim approved and even OWN this consuler facility / embassy in Europe.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1722.25
Reply #45
Zoi Lightfoot
I DO accociate with the Abenaki as well as other communities and Nations,due to my UN work and the europeon based consular facility OWNED by the Indian Nations(of which I am its current legal director)
from the free on line dictionary
Consular
con·sul Pronunciation (knsl)
n. Abbr. Con. or Cons.
1. An official appointed by a government to reside in a foreign country and represent his or her government's commercial interests and assist its citizens there. See Usage Note at council.
2. Either of the two chief magistrates of the Roman Republic, elected for a term of one year.
3. Any of the three chief magistrates of the French Republic from 1799 to 1804.
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Are both of you sure you want to do this here? I believe I would think about it first.
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Frederica
Maybe I am missing something, but I really can't imagine any good reason that Zoi can't provide a way to verify that this organization does in fact have the backing of tribal Nations as claimed, or that this information as to how to verify this should be "private".
However I do trust Al's opinion and I will PM him , and see if he feels there is some reason this shouldn't be open to public discussion.
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Now this brings me to the Gathering. Given that the Grand Chief of the Mi’kmaq Nation has agreed in principle to attend the Gathering amongst others, given the way one of his peoples has been assaulted and racially abused, I can understand why this tiny minority of the hobbyist culture would be nervous about his presence. So let’s set the record straight shall we.
Let's just hope it's not John Williams (aka Grey Wolf, aka Loup Gris, aka the man who claims to have hereditary title over all the Wabanaki tribes and also claims to have copyrighted "Wabanaki" and threatens to sue Indian businesses who carry the name, aka loser.)
More on J. Williams here with posts from moma porcupine from a few of his websites where he displays his self-proclaimed title of Grand Chief of the Wabanaki Nations
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1187.0
Superdog
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It is very odd to not be able to find any mention of a "Treaty House" online, particularly when people are throwing around terms like "consular director of Canadian Affairs" with respect to this or related organizations. Surely, anyone who openly claims such a title should be able to substantiate it quite easily. Indeed, someone who holds such an office is a public servant and, in revealing their identity, has a professional duty to provide substantiation for such claims, IMHO.
Sorry, I can't claim to take the care and effort that Mama P does when citing who said what, but a very odd claim that someone made in this thread was that Ms. Lightfoot is a "lawyer for American Indian rights in the UN"? I can't make any sense of this. Which group or organization is represented by this work? Ms. Lightfoot, do you represent Indigenous persons/Nations or do you work for the UN? The statement is very vague.
I lived in London for several years, and the only place I ever heard of called Treaty House was in Uxbridge (Treaty of Ghent and all that jazz). But there is nothing online about this other "Treaty House" to reveal the existence of this supposedly formalized organization whose use of diplomatic language (eg. consul, etc) seems to suggest that they are representatives of a government of a nation-state formally recognized by the UN. Like Mama P, I've tried to find further information, since such an organization sounds very important and I'm rather embarrassed that I have never heard of their seemingly important work. But when I try to find anything related, all I get is a Myspace link:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=200142531
Nor could I find any information through the Canadian High Commission in the UK (it is not referred to as a consulate) which can be accessed online at:
http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/missions/unitedkingdom-royaumeuni/menu-eng.asp
While I can understand the concern of certain groups who may not want to respond to Mama P's inquiries, given that she chooses to remain anonymous, this is a problem that can be easily remedied, as there are many members of this site who have publicly revealed their identities. If a "meatspace" (real world) identity and name is required in order to have Mama P's questions answered, I'm sure the same inquires could be re-sent and signed (perhaps) by a moderator of this site, or perhaps by Dr. Carrall himself. His open use of his real name and his status as a Fullbright scholar should certainly satisfy the need to provide a real name to groups who may or may not be able to shed more light on "Treaty House". And by the way, which/what "treaties" are the focus of Treaty House?
Ms. Lightfoot, if "Treaty House" is for-reals, please provide us with substantiation, and more information so that we can learn about the work that your organization has been doing. That way those of us who have concerns can lay them to rest and then support and laud the work that you and others claim to be doing through this "consulate".
Best, ska
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This one is easier to see. http://www.myspace.com/treatyhouse Takes a few seconds
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Thanks, Frederica, and apologies to everyone for not properly presenting the links. My computer skills are quite limited. best, ska
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Improved Order of the Red Men=Free Masons? I thought they died out in the 1900's. Mostly Irish.
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Then i suggest you take your arguement to the federal gov Sky,after all THEY recognize them and thier Chief.
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Sky knows a lot more than me but for people who want to see this from a independant source , the link below lists all the federally recognized tribes in the North East and this tribe is not on the list.
http://www.ncai.org/index.php?id=126&selectpro_area=8
I have seen them listed in some places as having State recognition ,
http://www.kstrom.net/isk/maps/tribesnonrec.html
but I've also seen where many federally recognized tribes feel the criteria used when a State recognizes a tribe is way too vauge and allows many people who aren't NDN at all to be State recognized - often because a State sees some advantage to it's image or economy in doing so.
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edited to add
A bit of information from the Cherokee Task on State tribes and the problems associated with them can be seen in the link below
http://www.cherokeephoenix.org/2389/Article.aspx
"A lot of people try to use that (state recognition) as a stepping stone by stating that a state has already recognized them, therefore they have some sort of government-to-government relationship," Rhoades said.
"An average person can help stop these groups by writing a local legislator and pointing out that states should not be in a position of creating Indian nations," he said.
In the long run, Allen said, states not recognizing bogus groups would be a major step in stopping them.
"Ultimately, I think the elimination of state recognition would be one way of looking at it, but we don't want to do harm to those tribes who have a legitimate claim who yet haven't been able to determine what it is they require for federal recognition," he said.
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Maybe Zoi is a lawyer who works at the UN educating the international community about NDNs, but she doesn't know the difference between federal recognition and state recognition.
Zoi
I would still appreciate it if you could give the names of some people who can be contacted through some specific federally recognized tribal governments who officially represent the Nations you claim approved and even OWN this consuler facility / embassy in Europe.
If you have the approval you claim, I don't understand why this is something the general public should not be able to verify.
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http://vcnaa.com/joomla/content/view/510/57/
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Currently there are no Federal and/or State Recognized Native American Tribes and/or Bands in Vermont.
Apparently they have neither federal nor state recognition.
Chief April and the St Francis aka Sokoki aka Missisquoi Abenaki wouldn't be the first group of frauds that Zoi Lightfoot supported and defended.
Does The Blackwater Band of Muskogee/Larry Nichols/Liz Roemer ring a bell? When presented with evidence that neither the Creek Nation nor the Poarch Band recognizes the Blackwater Band nor Nichols and Roemer, Lightfoot reluctantly quit trying to defend the Blackwaters but continues to support Nichols and Roemer. Liz Roemer is a member of Treaty House.
Lightfoot continues to support Tsisqua, a proven fraud. Also a member of Treaty House.
I haven't been able to find anything connecting Lightfoot with the U.N., AIM, the Anishnabe, White Earth Reservation. The only people talking about Zoi Lightfoot are her friends and Zoi herself.
Yes, I have read where she's been active with LPDC and LPDOC. Lots of people are. I'm skeptical of her claim to being Peltier's cousin. His family doesn't know who she is.
Yes, Lightfoot is connected to Treaty House. But, what is Treaty House? An embassy? Hardly. Treaty House is a myspace account, nothing more.
I have yet to find one person who knows Zoi Lightfoot. Some have heard her name before, but don't know who she is.
How can anyone take either Zoi Lightfoot or Treaty House seriously?
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Actualy the only folks who have been throwing my name around and promoting it are YOU and MP.What i see is a lot of gossip,back biting and bad jacketing.Your personal agenda is showing,were i to listen to internet gossip and trawl for negative commentary,what would i find about you and MP,aka PJ Morgan plus the many other alias' MP uses?First would be the notion you and MP,hell even AL are one and the same person.Do i beleive that? NOT unless someone proves it nope.Next would be the accusation that MP is in fact a male child abuser.Do I believe that also?Once again not until some one proves it.BASIC legal principle that applies to everyone BLS926,you MP,Tsissy myself AL in fact every human on this planet.
Also in this thread is the notion the Mikmaq do not have Grand Chiefs,incorrect careful what you wish for on your disruptive quest MP.If you undermine the gathering then i will most certainly let the very Elders,Chiefs,spokespeople,inclusive of the entire cast of my lifes a sundance,know where to send the bill for thier disrupted travel arrangements.Plus a great many other things attatched to this gathering.
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Actualy the only folks who have been throwing my name around and promoting it are YOU and MP.What i see is a lot of gossip,back biting and bad jacketing.Your personal agenda is showing,were i to listen to internet gossip and trawl for negative commentary,what would i find about you and MP,aka PJ Morgan plus the many other alias' MP uses?First would be the notion you and MP,hell even AL are one and the same person.Do i beleive that? NOT unless someone proves it nope.Next would be the accusation that MP is in fact a male child abuser.Do I believe that also?Once again not until some one proves it.BASIC legal principle that applies to everyone BLS926,you MP,Tsissy myself AL in fact every human on this planet.
Also in this thread is the notion the Mikmaq do not have Grand Chiefs,incorrect careful what you wish for on your disruptive quest MP.If you undermine the gathering then i will most certainly let the very Elders,Chiefs,spokespeople,inclusive of the entire cast of my lifes a sundance,know where to send the bill for thier disrupted travel arrangements.Plus a great many other things attatched to this gathering.
Oh my I was wondering when someone who didn't like being asked reasonable questions would accuse me of being a perverted porcupine. LOL You must be getting really desperate to resort to such silly accusations. Why not just provide some credible references ?
I think people know the Mi'kmaq traditionally have a Grand Cheif. In 2006 it looks like this was Ben Sylliboy
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:apVW2X7_mfwJ:209.162.178.242/documents/MMAHB
%2520Committee%2520Membership.pdf+%22Grand+Chief+%22+Mi%27kmaq&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd
=29&gl=ca (http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:apVW2X7_mfwJ:209.162.178.242/documents/MMAHB
%2520Committee%2520Membership.pdf+%22Grand+Chief+%22+Mi%27kmaq&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd
=29&gl=ca)
Membership
Mi’kmaq & Maliseet Atlantic Health Board (MMAHB)
&
Atlantic Health Committees
Grand Chief Ben Sylliboy
Waycobah
Nova Scotia Grand Council
I'm not sure why Zoi refered to Gary Metalic as being a Grand Chief in the thread below.
Does he now hold the position of Grand Chief?
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1753.0
Declaration of Nationhood
zoi lightfoot
Reply #4
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Gary Metalic,for the benifit of those that do not know,is one of the recognised Grand Chiefs of the Mi'kmaq peoples
And incidentally this questionable "Declaration of Nationhood " was originally posted in research needed. It seems Frederica was persuaded to move it out of sight by tacking it onto a thread on a different topic.
The only thing reasonable questions disrupt is lies Zoi. I really don't appreciate the repeated threats and bullying I have run into in trying to communicate with members of your group. If this is what people run into when trying to find out if your group is legit it raises some very real concerns. If the funding for your projects fails because you refuse to give the public a way to verify that you are who you say you are, that is your problem not mine. If you are who you say you are, and if you have the backing you say you do , it is entirely your responsibility to provide ways for the public to verify this.
Maybe it hasn't occured to you, but its seems kind of racist to imagine it's OK to claim to be an embassy , consuler facility , or to claim to be the Consular Director of Canadian Affairs or legal representitive of such an organization without feeling any obligation to provide references to the tribal governments that would need to appoint you to these very important positions. It seem like you think that while other Nations have real embassies , appointed by real governments , if it's an embassy which supposedly represents indigenous peoples, it's OK for anyone who wants a fancy title to just invent one- with no references - as a toy.
We all make mistakes - especially without a community of native people to keep ex pat members on track - and if people are being truthful about who they are , I don't think anyone would be concerned if they were creating some kind of a support group for real native people in Europe and the UK. But the language and titles being used seem to be really misleading and these grandious claims with nothing of substance behind them really does trivialize the identities of real First Nations and tribal governments. I don't see where this kind of "education about NDNs" is going to help indigenous Nations gain recognition and respect in the international community
I really hope those of you with good intentions and / or real descent from indigenous communities will give your head a shake, as it appears you are exploiting a part of your own heritage.
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"How can anyone take Zoi Lightfood or the Treaty House seriously" I don't see anything wrong with their idea of what they are trying to do. I believe they said it was a "new organization" so they will have to work some things out. People have a tendency to generalize conversations. the problem seems to be not who they are, but some they represent. They have to work that out. There are some Abenaki that exsist, they just do not meet Federal criteria for recognation. That State doesn't have a criteria which poses a problem. To me "Treaty House" is just a name someone picked. And there is a lot I do not know on how people are "represented". Zoi, as a lawyer, is going to represent people that ask her to do so. Noone knows what that encompasses, or where she draws the line. So you have to leave it at that.
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Frederica , I'm not sure why you appear to have repeatedly defended both Tsisqua and Zoi / Treaty House with what appears to be incorrect information. As part of this has occured in PMs I guess I will have to try and straighten this out through PMs.
Meanwhile , from my point of view , you , as the moderator of an anti fraud board has just said you don't see anything wrong with people using language that suggests they represent a tribal government while providing no way to verify this . You also seem to be suggesting that you see nothing wrong with threatening people who ask reasonable questions , and with absolutely no evidence , to suggest people are child mollestors if they dare ask for a way to verify these claims .
I appreciate that being a moderator here must be a really difficult job and I'm sure if I was in your position I would make lots of mistakes - and probably bigger ones than you do , as I tend to have a much bigger mouth . But still , I'm really sorry to say this , but I think there is a problem when you say you don't see anything wrong with this.
You seem to be defending behavior which clearly should not be defended and I would like to know why. As I say I will send you a PM and hopefully we can come to some sort of understanding.
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No, I not defending anyone. But it always becomes personal with these issues and I think that is what should be avoided. Facts are one thing, the gossip and innuendos are something else. I don't think anyone is "squeaky clean", whether it be by the people you associate with, know or something else. It starts and immediately gets personal. To me it's just bait, to keep it going. And it's on both sides. The site is for people to make up their own mind, when present with substantial facts. The rest doesn't belong. And I don't think any one person is less guilty than the other with their presentations. I can pick both of them apart.
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Now I'm very concerned. Ms. Lightfoot, you have chosen to ignore my questions, too, but maybe since I am not Native, you do not feel you need to address my concerns. Fair enough.
The unsubstantiated and malicious accusations are horrible. Some of the anonymous members here cannot claim to be maligned by these insults, but what about Dr. Carrall, who is open about his identity and just got slimed and accused of heinous crimes on the basis of your guilty-by-assumed-association public mud-slinging? Please don't equate your ugly attempt to create gossip with people's legitimate questions about a so-called "consulate" that no-one can verify.
I also don't understand why asking questions about "Treaty House" is akin to "bad-jacketing". Openly declaring one's professional status does come with responsibilities. But how does asking questions about "Treaty House" threaten a gathering? What do you mean by "the entire cast of my life is a sun dance"? Are you staging a dramatic show about Leonard Pelletier's life? Do the performers/attendees think you are an ambassador or that you have a formal diplomatic role as a liaison between Indigenous Nations and the UN? And if you do, why can't you tell us about it? Is is top-secret?
What does "careful what you wish for" mean, or is it part of this vague threat that I can't understand?
Ms. Lightfoot, not too long ago, a young man came to this board claiming to be the king of the "Oyate Makoce Sioux" or some such nonsense. So you can see that there are many fraudulent and deluded types out there who think they can say anything about Native people and, perhaps even more seriously, about Native NATIONS. For those of us Settlers who care about decolonizing our colonial existence and healing ourselves of genocidal cultural practices, the issues raised by people like Moma Porcupine and others are terribly important.
As a Western academic, I've cultivated a fair bit of skepticism. And since I'm anonymous, it might be a good idea for you to assume this is not true. Similarly, without verification, I highly doubt that "Treaty House" is actually an embassy or consulate, or that it has the authority of any federally recognized Indian Nation or of any Treaty Council that reflects the sovereign Indian Nations. To me, the embassy at "Treaty House" sounds about as legitimate as Russell Means' declaration of the "Republic of Lakotah".
Ms. Lightfoot, I have no evidence that you are qualified to give legal advice, but on the matter of "Treaty House", I will quote your wisdom: "do I believe that? Not until someone proves it. BASIC legal principle".
best, ska
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As a Western academic, I've cultivated a fair bit of skepticism. And since I'm anonymous, it might be a good idea for you to assume this is not true. Similarly, without verification, I highly doubt that "Treaty House" is actually an embassy or consulate, or that it has the authority of any federally recognized Indian Nation or of any Treaty Council that reflects the sovereign Indian Nations. To me, the embassy at "Treaty House" sounds about as legitimate as Russell Means' declaration of the "Republic of Lakotah".
Actually, Russell Means' declaration of the Republic of Lakotah is far more legitimate than Treaty House. Means is Lakota. I have a feeling Zoi Lightfoot is another PODIA portraying something entirely different to those she comes in contact with. No different than Tsisqua.
I have a problem with someone pretending to be something or someone they aren't. When those with little to no blood try to speak for the Nations, everyone loses. I'm not saying she or anyone else in a similar situation can't help with the problems, they just can't speak for the people.
Note to Zoi: I'm not anonymous on this or any other forum. I don't think there's anyone who thinks Moma, Al, and I are the same person. Get real. That statement, along with your empty threats and everything else in your last post, was so junior high. I'm beginning to wonder if you're really an attorney. Fact is, I've had my doubts for months now. Not Indian and not a lawyer. Damn.
Edit to correct spelling. Damn OCD.
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Actualy the only folks who have been throwing my name around and promoting it are YOU and MP.What i see is a lot of gossip,back biting and bad jacketing.Your personal agenda is showing,were i to listen to internet gossip and trawl for negative commentary,what would i find about you and MP,aka PJ Morgan plus the many other alias' MP uses?First would be the notion you and MP,hell even AL are one and the same person.Do i beleive that? NOT unless someone proves it nope.Next would be the accusation that MP is in fact a male child abuser.Do I believe that also?Once again not until some one proves it.BASIC legal principle that applies to everyone BLS926,you MP,Tsissy myself AL in fact every human on this planet.
Also in this thread is the notion the Mikmaq do not have Grand Chiefs,incorrect careful what you wish for on your disruptive quest MP.If you undermine the gathering then i will most certainly let the very Elders,Chiefs,spokespeople,inclusive of the entire cast of my lifes a sundance,know where to send the bill for thier disrupted travel arrangements.Plus a great many other things attatched to this gathering.
When I read this post the other night, I thought it sounded vaguely familiar. Just realized where I've seen this drivel before. John Martin/John Lekay. Why is it frauds always quote other frauds? Hmmmmm
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bls926,I suggest you READ very carefully exactly what i did or did not say.
MP,I did NOT say "YOU" had said Mikmaq Grand Chiefs didn't exist far from it,but i am pleased to see you acknowledge Grand Chief Ben Sylliboy,I beleive his niece,a recognised teacher of Mikmaq language and traditional heritage is also a member on this forum,the reason i mention this is because her BLOOD sister and also niece to Ben Sylliboy,is the very same colleague of mine you informed an established and respected human rights organisation,you had done a genological web search on and determined her to be a PODIA.
Now while you were playing,we returned one fake to canada,another is having legal actions brought against them,and another was halted,from committing acts of monitary fraud on a Barriere Lake Elder,MNN the Mikmaq and ourselves.Not to mention the Billingtons are still behaving like a pair of abusive racists.ALL those peoples are subjects who have come up in NAFPS threads.
In addition we have various land issues lodged and under appeal and Leonards clemancy is in full swing.AGAIN.and a whole host of other matters.If you want to play with me then i sugesst you have patience until i have nothing better to be doing with my time.
BLS926,My Space huh?,what makes you think its the only site Treaty House has?.
You were so wrapped up in personal attack,you didn't read what i said,and you actualy proved the point i WAS making.Wondered when the spector of this lekay person would surface and there you go making assumptions again bls.I do not know him,all i know is the he said she said of it all everyone including YOU keep repeating.As for my friends defending me,I can defend myself thanks,but then isn't that a bit like pot,kettle and black type of thing?.
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Zoi , the only comment about Linda Lou that I sent to a "respected human rights organization " is this ;
Linda Lou Flewin was adopted by an English family when she was a baby
and raised in England. She claims she is Mi'kmaq and sometimes refers
to herself as a representive the Mi'kmaq Nation . Her genealogy is
partially posted on line and it looks like she may have some Native
descent a couple generations back there , but I doubt a person with
such a remote connection to a tribe would be asked to officially
represent of the Mi'kmaq Nation abroad.
I have no idea why you would suggest there is any problem with that. Once again it seems you are trying to divert from the main issues.
I have no wish to pick Linda apart because through no fault of her own , she is just learning about her culture. I could point to stuff she posted only 5 years ago on other message boards which demonstrates this, but I haven't done this as Linda Lou's BQ , enrollment or lack of it , personality and private life are kind of beside the point .
What isn't beside the point is the fancy title suggesting she officially represents her Nation to the international community , and trying to intimidate people who ask for a way to verify this.
Are you suggesting Grand Chief Ben Sylliboy has approved Treaty House as an embassy / consuler facility ? If so why didn't you say so a long time ago? If no tribal government has approved this , it doesn't matters what blood relations you two claim. Except to the uninformed it makes you sound important and possibly credible.
Anyway , thanks for a name and what may be a reference. This can be checked.
As for you tooting your own horn about the real fruit loops you like to make a big show of confronting consider this;
The only way indigenous people can control their own resources and this includes their right to control their culture is if their identity and system of government is intact. Claiming PODIAs and extremely distant descendents as Nations effectively undermines respect for and recognition of true tribal nations and governments. Claiming to be concerned about the damage done to Native soverienty by going after obviously flakey people while promoting and defending PODIAs claiming to be Nations is about the same as making a big show of building the wall to a house while handing out the rocks that are the foundation.
The issue i am addressing here seems to me to be extremely important.
You claim to oppose frauds. So here is another question . If people making claims to some affiliation with a Nation or endorsement by Elders are a fraud , and if the general unwashed European public cannot ask and expect verifiable refferences from these people , for fear of insulting someone as important as you all claim to be , how can any European avoid supporting frauds and exploiters and also avoid insulting someone who is very very important ? It seems to me that while you make a big show of being concerned about frauds you are destroying the only mechanism people have to expose them, namely the right to ask questions, expect answers and not be harrassed for this.
I certainly see you feeling you have a right to demand some people produce proof of the claims they make of having ties to Nations. If you want people to accept that you can do this, but the general public can't, it would appear you are planning on setting yourselves up over there as the only reference - with none yourselves.
There is some big problems with that. You have already demonstrated a willingness to support frauds. Even if you all prove you are all enrolled somewhere if you are claiming to represent a Nation in some way , easily verifiable references ARE needed. Just because someone is an American doesn't mean they can start up an embassy somewhere. Anyone with a personal agenda could make the claims you do. Easily verifiable references within some tribal governments are needed , or it would just be a chaotic free for all.
THAT is what you seem to be currently promoting.
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zoi lightfoot
Reply #56
i am pleased to see you acknowledge Grand Chief Ben Sylliboy,I beleive his niece,a recognised teacher of Mikmaq language and traditional heritage is also a member on this forum,the reason i mention this is because her BLOOD sister and also niece to Ben Sylliboy,is the very same colleague of mine you informed an established and respected human rights organisation,you had done a genological web search on and determined her to be a PODIA.
I don't like to get into someones personal history but as claims that Linda is closely related to important people in the Mi'kmaq Nation is being used to legitimize Treaty House , i guess pointing out that it is hard to see how these claims might be true is something that needs to be done.
I know there is a Mi'kmaq woman who briefly was a NAFPS member who refers to Linda Lou as " Big Sis" . From the link to her website in her profile, and many pictures of community and family posted there , i am pretty sure she is Mi'kmaq . I guess this relationship might be one of blood as claimed or an adoption that was made when Linda Lou was an adult. Seeing Linda accepted as family by people in the Mi'kmaq community I was always willing to take Linda Lou's word her having a connection there of some kind.
But I'm not sure how Linda Lou's family might connect to the family of Grand Chief Ben Sylliboy.
Grand Chief Ben Sylliboy's parents were Nancy(Denny)(Nevin)Sylliboy and William Ben Sylliboy
http://wekoqmaq.piczo.com/mtilnjesistoweypageroots?cr=6&linkvar=000044
This is William Ben Sylliboy,born in 1902,married Nancy(Denny)Nevin whom she had one child from a previous marriage,
This is Nancy(Denny)(Nevin)Sylliboy on the left and the picture on the above is Nancy with daughter Mary Ellen
These three children are also Nancy's children with William,The late Theresa Cremo,Margaret Poulette,And our GrandChief Ben W. Sylliboy and it goes on and on through your memory and knowledge.
Below is some detailed genealogical information on Linda Lou's birth family
http://web.archive.org/web/20040829031022/http://www.bodhipines.com/cgi-bin/sixnations/
dbman/db.cgi?db=default&uid=default&view_records=1&RecordNumber=*&nh=8 (http://web.archive.org/web/20040829031022/http://www.bodhipines.com/cgi-bin/sixnations/
dbman/db.cgi?db=default&uid=default&view_records=1&RecordNumber=*&nh=8)
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edited to make this link work
http://tinyurl.com/7qbklr
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RecordNumber: 86
GenderOfAdoptee: Female
TriadPosition: Adoptee
InSearchOf: BirthFather
BirthMonth: 09
BirthDay: 22
BirthYear: 58
BirthCity: Wolfeville
BirthState/Province: Nova Scotia
BirthCountry: Canada
AdoptiveName: Linda Lou Hooper
Birth1stName: Linda Lou
BirthSurname: Messom
BirthMotherName: Edith Daisy Parker nee Messom
BirthFatherName: n/a
Hospital: Wolfeville
Agency: Kentville Social Services
MaternityHome: n/a
YourName: Linda Lou Flewin
Comments: My bio-mother passed away 2 years ago February and said my father was working at Greenwood Base in Kentville but he originally came from New Brunswick which was where she met him. He went blind so had to retire from the Army/navy base at Greenwood. His wife came from New Brunswick to pick him up and take him back home and I and my sister were taken away from my mother by social services in October 1959 and put into care. I was formally adopted in 1960 and my sister Francis Marie in 1961/62....my mother said he was Iroquois and my uncle said he thought the surname was ROI/ROY and he spoke French.Not sure how accurate any of this is but help would be appreciated.
Many Thanks.......
EmailAddress: Linda_louflewin@hotmail.com
AlternateEmail:
WebPageURL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/genealogyresearchclub/message/6683
Linda Lou AKA Miqamaq
Hi Brenda,I am curious, Your surname is Parker(gee obviously she
says..lol!!)well, I am adopted and my mother said my fathers name was Parker,
where do you come from, I am from Nova Scotia,but I believe my father came from
New Brunswick. We may be related.
Regards....Linda Lou
http://www.thunderers.com/Tomahawky/WC/not%20knowing%20who%20you%20are%20-%20www_ezboard_com
Miqamaq AKA Linda Lou
10/1/02 9:39 am
the first thing I saw was a name....Chief Bernie Parker, why wierd???? Well, my mother was married to a guy called Parker...I don't know his first name but she always said he was Iroquois before she passed away. Who is this guy, how can I find out more, I know when she was with him but I don't know if she actually got married although she was known as Mrs Parker.......OK, it won't be Chief Bernie but some relation perhaps????????
refering to her Mom having been in the residential school at Shubenacadie
Miqamaq AKA Linda Lou
(10/8/02 3:09 am )
Yeah, read this book and made me sick to my stomache, my mom was there until she was 21, then they let her go.
Miqamaq AKA Linda Lou refering to her Mom.
She had six of us all with different fathers, all apart from 1 who died a few months old were taken away from her.
So, Linda Lou's Dad was not Mi'kmaq and it is through her Mom that she is claiming blood ties to the Mi'kmaq community. If she has a blood sister or is the niece of the Grand Chief through blood family , the connection must be through her Mom not her Dad.
Linda Lou has posted quite detailed genealogy of her Mom in various places. The email in this post below is Miqamaq so it appears to be the same Linda Lou.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nsannapo/queries7.html
Q27
08 Oct 2003
From: Linda Lou
Subject: Looking for Parents of Lavinia Ann"Hannah" Butler
Hannah Butler was my great grandmother and her parents were Benjamin J Butler - born 01/11/1829 and Mary Elizabeth Mcginnes born 12/08/1825. I believe they came from the Blue Mountain area - I have seen a picture of Hannah as she was known - she is of very dark complexion, wondered if from Indian stock. Hannah married Jonathon Elijah Walsh in 06/09 /1880.
My grandmother Jennifer Elizabeth "Jennie" Walsh married James Messom(born abt 1895) James Messom is the mistery- I cannot trace his family back further than him, he either came from Blue Mountain or Gaspereau, he worked and lived in Gaspereau most of his life but before that - is a big question. If anyone can help me out with that one as well that would be great.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/genealogyresearchclub/message/6628
Linda Lou AKA Miqamaq
Hi Guys, hope you can help me, am looking for Messoms in New Brunswick,Nova
Scotia and Natick,MA....trying to find a connection with my grandfather Jim
Messom who lived and died in Gaspereau, Annapolis Nova
Scotia....Lightfoots,Harvie's are also involved but later on sometime...any help
getting started would be appreciated.
In order for Linda Lou to be the niece by blood of Grand Chief Ben Sylliboy it seems he would have to share at least one of the same parents as Linda Lous Mom. In other words, Jennie Walsh or James Messom would have to be one of his parents. They aren't.
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edited to provide more complete and accurate information
The automated 1901 Census records in the 2 links below show Linda Lou's grandfather James or Jim Messom ( Jr.) born about 1900 was the son of James Messom (Sr ) born about 1861 and his wife May b.June 21 1867 . Lewis Messom born 1870 is living next door. Baby James Messom jr is recorded as having an older sister Rachel born Sept 1 1895.
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/View.jsp?id=4527&highlight=50&desc=1901+Census+
of+Canada+page+containing+James+Messom (http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/View.jsp?id=4527&highlight=50&desc=1901+Census+
of+Canada+page+containing+James+Messom)
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/View.jsp?id=4528&highlight=5&desc=1901+Census+of
+Canada+page+containing+James+Messom (http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/View.jsp?id=4528&highlight=5&desc=1901+Census+of
+Canada+page+containing+James+Messom)
Doing a search on the 1881 census which is online through the LDS shows James Senior born 1863 and brother Lewis born 1870 were the sons of William Messom and Lavinia.
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp (http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp)
In the 1881 census the Messom family was recorded as English.
The Messom family appears to have lived in this area of NS for several generations .
In the link below the 1838 Census of Horton Township Kings County, N.S. lists Isaac , William and James Messom.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nskings/1838h-n-horton.html
In the link below Linda Lou says she is related to the Morines .
http://genforum.genealogy.com/morine/messages/44.html
Posted by: Linda Flewin (ID *****1726) Date: December 29, 2006 at 06:17:05
In Reply to: Re: Morines in Kings Co NS by G MORINE of 49
Hi, I too am related to the Morine family down through my gr grandmothers and gr grandfathers line in Gaspereau NS. But we are Welsh/Walsh and Messoms!
In the link below William Messom's wife Lavinia is identified as being Lavinia Morine.
In the 1901 census James Messom Senior is shown to have married "May" who was born June 21 1867.
This is probably the "Mary Morrine" is refered to in the link below as being the wife of James Messom and mother of Rachel Messom who married Harry Walsh (son of John and Hannah), and brother of Linda Lou's grandmother Jennie Walsh . Rachel is listed in 1901 census above as one of the children of James Messom and May ( probably Mary Morine ) If May / Mary's maiden name is Morine this also fits with Linda Lou's statement above that she has Morine's through her great grandmother and great grandfather's lines .
The census information about the Messom family in the link below is said to be 1891 . This is a typo . It is the 1881 census.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nscumber/message/22715
I went through all the Messom’s I have and thus far have Oscar Farris (sonof Charles and Georgina (Stevens) Farris married to Mary Blanche Messom(daughter of William and Lavinia (Morine) Messom And Rachel Messom daughter of James and Mary (Morine) Messom married to Harry Walsh (son of John and Hannah)
The only Mary Morine of the right age I can find in the 1881 census is recorded as the 15 year old daughter of Samuel Morine and Elizabeth of Canning, Kings Co., Nova Scotia. The family is all recorded as English.
Other people in that area with that surname are recorded as French, Irish and German.
I didn't see any people surnamed Morine recorded as living in the recognizable Native communites in the area.
I did find this though ....
http://www.danielnpaul.com/Mi'kmaqBurialGround.html.
In 1808-1809- Paul Malti was the Chief of the Mi’kmaq residing on a reserve on Foster’s Point, Queens County. Ella Letson states: “He was a great friend of my grandfather Asa Morine.
So some freindships existed. But I wasn't able to find any evidence of blood relations.
Jennie Walsh who was Linda Lou's Mom's Mom was born about 1900 and died February 28, 1996. Jennie was the daughter of Jonathen Walsh and Hannah Butler.
In the 1901 automated census in the link below shows Jonathen Welsh b Jan 25 1856 and his wife Hannah Butler born Aug 12 1856 and their one year old daughter Jennie , who later became Linda Lou's Grandmother and Jennie's older brother Harry who was born in 1892 and who is said to have later married Rachel messom the daughter of James Messom ( senior ) and Mary Morine.
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/View.jsp?id=4521&highlight=20&desc=1901+Census+of
+Canada+page+containing+Hannah+Welsh (http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/View.jsp?id=4521&highlight=20&desc=1901+Census+of
+Canada+page+containing+Hannah+Welsh)
Jonathon Walsh / Welsh / Welch / Walch appears to be related to the Elijah , and William Welch . William Welsh was living a couple doors down from Jonathen Walsh in the 1901 census linked to above.
In the 2 pages of the 1911 census linked to below Jonathen, Hannah , their children and Hannah's mother Mary Butler are all living together .
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/View.jsp?id=8292&highlight=46&desc=1911+Census+of
+Canada+page+containing+Jonathen+Walsh (http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/View.jsp?id=8292&highlight=46&desc=1911+Census+of
+Canada+page+containing+Jonathen+Walsh)
Right next door are the families of Elijah b Feb. 1853 and William Walsh b. Aug 27 1845 which strongly suggests these three men are all related.
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/View.jsp?id=8293&highlight=3&desc=1911+Census+of+
Canada+page+containing+Jennie+Walsh (http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/View.jsp?id=8293&highlight=3&desc=1911+Census+of+
Canada+page+containing+Jennie+Walsh)
I can't find Jonethan Walsh in the 1881 census , but in that census both William and Elijah were recorded as English.
The Welch / Walsh family looks like it lived in this area for several generations.
The 1838 Horton census Kings County, N.S. lists a Jonathan WELCH , laborer.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nskings/1838o-y-horton.html
This would not be the same Johnathen Walch who was born in 1856 but it is probaly his father, grandfather or uncle. People with this family name had been in the area for some time. The 1765 tax assesment for Kings Co Horton linked to below , lists Joshua and Joshua Jr Walch and James and Wiiliam Welch
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nskings/1765horton2.html
Hannah Butler who married Jonathen Walsh is recorded in the LDS online 1881 census . She was still living with her parents Benjamin and Mary Butler. Benjamin, Mary and their daughter Hannah are all recorded as English.
Both Benjamin and Mary Butler are also recorded in the 1901 automated census.
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/View.jsp?id=4523&highlight=28&desc=1901+Census+of+
Canada+page+containing+Benjamin+Butler (http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/View.jsp?id=4523&highlight=28&desc=1901+Census+of+
Canada+page+containing+Benjamin+Butler)
Jennie Walsh passed away in 1996, and her obituary names blood relatives who are still living . None are in the Cape Breton area of NS.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CANADA-OBITS/2005-03/1109860490
The 1871 - 1881 Mi'kmaq census, does show a small number of Mi'kmaq people with this surname living in the Cape Breton area .
http://web.archive.org/web/20070829115832/http://mrc.uccb.ns.ca/census.html
1871
Welsh, Elizabeth, Age 8, Shanty, Education-?, Plaister Cove (Ma'lakawe:j Reserve or nearby)
Welsh, Mary, Age 27, Shanty, Illiterate, Married, Plaister Cove (Ma'lakawe:j Reserve or nearby)
Welsh, Mary Ann, Age 10, Shanty, Education-?, Plaister Cove (Ma'lakawe:j Reserve or nearby)
Welsh, Michael, Age 41, Shanty, Illiterate, Cooper, Married, Plaister Cove (Ma'lakawe:j Reserve or nearby)
Welsh, Thomas, Age 1, Shanty, Plaister Cove (Ma'lakawe:j Reserve or nearby)
1881
Welsh, Tom, Age 11, Shanty, Education-?, Potlotek
I don't see any obvious connection between this Mi'kmaq family and Linda Lou's Walsh/ Welsh family in Gaspereau , which is about 200 miles south of the Native communities of Waycobah and Chapel Island..
I have seen families where the father was recorded as French, English or German , the mother is recorded as Indian and all the children are recorded as being the race of their father, so It's entirely possible someone way back there , on Linda's Mom's side, was mixed blood , but , as far as the obvious goes, everyone on Linda's Mom's side appears to be from the Gaspereau or Horton area of Kings County Nova Scotia and everyone appears to be predominantly English.
If Linda Lou's Mom was put in the Shubenacadie residential school as was claimed, it seems she would have had a substantial amount of Mi'kmaq blood from somewhere, but looking at what Linda Lou has posted about her family background I'm not sure where that could have come in.
As Zoi seems to want to use Linda Lou's blood family to legitimize Treaty House , if I have overlooked this connection , maybe Zoi Lightfoot will post something giving the full names and bithdates of the ancestors who connect Linda to the Mi'kmaq community so at least this part of these peoples claims can be verified.
Which brings me back to the main point , which is, I doubt anyone with such a distant relationship to the Mi'kmaq community would be selected to officially represent them to the international community , as the title Consular Director for Canadian Affairs for Treaty House suggests. As anyone could make such a claim , it seems to me important that anyone claiming such a position would be able to provide a way for the public to verify that they are in fact appointed to do this by the Nations they are claiming.
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I was also sent an email someone recieved from the UN . The names and headers have been removed out of respect for some of the people in this chain of inquirey , but if people need to verify that this exists , I can forward this to Al and people could verify it through him.
Greetings,
I am trying to contact a UN attorney by the name of Zoi Lightfoot from
London who I am told works for Native American rights. If you could please
provide contact information I would appreciate it.
Regards, [name removed]
From: inquiries2 [mailto:inquiries2@un.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 8:40 AM
To: [ name removed ]
Subject: Re: Web Query
Greetings from the Public Inquiries Team.
Based on information that we have available, we have no record of any such name in the listing of UN Staff/Personnel.
Thank you for taking the initiative to write to us.
Best regards,
Public Inquiries Unit
Department of Public Information
United Nations
inquiries2@un.org
I guess it's always possible the right person was not asked. If so , Zoi could always provide us with the name of the person to contact in the UN who could verify that she does work there as claimed,
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1735.msg11716#msg11716
Reply #7
Zoi Lightfoot
i am part of the vast intertribal legal team based at the UN.
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for someone who refuses any personal info about herself MP is sure busy researching others. What does matter is whether what they have to say about someone is true or not. I can find lots of 4/4 back home who support people who sell ceremonies and sell ceromonies themselves and know plenty of non-natives who are respectful.
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for someone who refuses any personal info about herself MP is sure busy researching others. What does matter is whether what they have to say about someone is true or not. I can find lots of 4/4 back home who support people who sell ceremonies and sell ceromonies themselves and know plenty of non-natives who are respectful.
Moma has never promoted herself as a representative of any group of people, nor an ambassador for any Nation. She is not the director of any organization, nor the legal advisor. There's the difference. Zoi Lightfoot has made all these claims, none of which can be substantiated. In fact, her claims to have worked with the U.N. for the past 35 years obviously are false. According to the correspondence from the United Nations Department of Public Information, there is no record of anyone with that name. She claims to be Leonard Peltier's cousin, yet his family members don't know who she is. Those are only two of the many claims Lightfoot has made that either can't be verified or which have been proven false.
Yes, she has been active in Indian rights and in Peltier's cause, and that's to be commended. But, she should have done it as who and what she is. She should not have pretended to be someone or something she isn't. Fraud is still fraud.
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Cetan
First off, being anonymous isn't the same as making claims about myself and how important i am that appear to be untrue. I am careful to provide ways for people to verify what i post and if I ever state something as a fact - about myself or something else- and you feel you need a way to verify this , please let me know.
I don't think people selling ceremonies is the only problem. People claiming to be Chiefs and tribes or otherwise representing themselves as representives of indigenous Nations when they are not, undermines recognition and respect for those who rightfully do occupy these positions. It is this disrespect for true traditional leadership that creates most of the problems and confusion that get discussed here.
Not everyone who misrepresents themself, is New Age or is selling ceremonies.
For example there is a whole thread on Lawrence Sampson in research needed . I don't think he ever was accused of selling ceremony or being New Age. In fact, he even posed as an activist. Problem being, he doesn't seem to be who he is claiming.
Cetan
I can find lots of 4/4 back home who support people who sell ceremonies and sell ceromonies themselves and know plenty of non-natives who are respectful.
Are you really saying you think it's respectful when people legitimize their claims to an important sounding title and a position of authority, by claiming blood relations with tribal leaders and implying this relationship legitimizes their position ? Do you really think it's respectful to support someone making such a claim - without question - even if none of the facts make this likely to be true ?
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RE: Zoi Lightfoot and Treaty House
From: Bonnie Singleton [mailto:bls926@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:31 AM
To: International Indian Treaty Council
Subject: FW: Zoi Lightfoot and Treaty House
Resending this in case the original was overlooked. Please forward any information you have on Zoi Lightfoot and Treaty House. We need your help.
Thank you,
Bonnie Singleton
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From: bls926@msn.com
To: alberto@treatycouncil.org
Subject: Zoi Lightfoot and Treaty House
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:27:00 -0600
International Indian Treaty Council
The Redstone Building,
2940 16th Street, Suite 305
San Francisco, CA. 94103-3664.
(415) 641-4482 FAX (415) 641-1298
I am trying to find information about Zoi Lightfoot. The only thing I am sure of is that she lives in England.
She claims to be enrolled with the Mississippi Band of Ojibwe, from the White Earth Reservation. Inquiries have been made, and we are waiting for a reply.
Lightfoot claims to be an attorney working at the United Nations on Indigenous Rights, with over 35 years experience. I have not been able to find anything online connecting Lightfoot with the U.N., in any capacity.
She has claimed to be a member of AIM; however, I have not been able to verify this.
Lightfoot claims to be Leonard Peltier's cousin, although his family says that they do not know her.
Lightfoot and her friends present themselves as representatives to Europe from their respective Nations. Treaty House is supposed to be an American Indian embassy in England, for ex-pats or Indians traveling in Europe. There's no physical location for Treaty House; right now all it is is a myspace. Some of the people she associates with and supports are out-right frauds.
Please forward any information you may have on Lightfoot. Lightfoot refuses to give any references, either professional or private. She may be legitimate, but my gut says otherwise. If she is legit, fine. If she is another fraud, stealing Native American culture, I will help to expose her. If that is the case, not only is she preying on the unsuspecting European community and their love-affair with all things Indian, but is misleading American Indians living in Europe, the very people she says she is helping.
Thank you for your assistance in this matter. I hope to hear from you in the very near future.
Bonnie Singleton
613 Malone
Houston, Texas 77007
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Alberto's reply
Hello,
I think I already responded to this inquiry, stating that personally, I have not heard of Ms. Lightfoot. I am forwarding this inquiry to our Executive Director for any light she may be able to shed on this question.
alberto>
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heya bonnie .. :)
thanks for the update on "zoi" ..
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E-mail from Andrea
FW: Zoi Lightfoot?
Bonnie, I have also forwarded your note to folks I know at White Earth rez, but so far no one has heard of this person. Best,
Andrea Carmen
Executive Director,
International Indian Treaty Council
Web Site:
E-Mail:
Office:
Fax:
From: SRLightft
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:24 PM
To: andrea
Subject: Zoi Lightfoot
Andrea,
I had an email today from Bill Means regarding questions about a Zoi Lightfoot living in the UK. This is not a relative of mine, nor is it anyone I know or have ever heard of. My Lightfoot family is enrolled at the Keweenaw Bay Ojibwe reservation in northern Michigan. We have relatives at Leech Lake and White Earth, but they are not named Lightfoot. None of my research activities over the past two years have revealed anyone with that name, either.
I hope that all is well with you.
Warm Regards,
Sheryl
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I had trouble posting these last two messages. They would not go thru if I included the headers in the e-mails I received from the IITC. Trust me, Alberto and Andrea do work for the International Indian Treaty Council, a legitimate organization working for indigenous people around the world.
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Thats MRS Lightfoot you annoying little harpi,now try posting the reply EVERYONE ELSE has seen from Chief Gary Metallic,MY reply to you and Leonard Peltiers reply to you.Way too handy with calling folks fraud there Bonnie.NEVER said i was from White Earth,Never said i worked FOR the UN.Grow up some of us have REAL work to do!.
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Thats MRS Lightfoot you annoying little harpi,now try posting the reply EVERYONE ELSE has seen from Chief Gary Metallic,MY reply to you and Leonard Peltiers reply to you.Way too handy with calling folks fraud there Bonnie.NEVER said i was from White Earth,Never said i worked FOR the UN.Grow up some of us have REAL work to do!.
Thanks for showing us a bit more of your character and affiliations Zoi.
I haven't heard or seen anything about anyone recieving a reply from Gary Metalic or Leonard Peltier.
I guess I'm not included in "everybody".
If those messages exist it would be interesting to see them posted.
I find it interesting you are implying you have some connection with Gary Metalic and that he would vouche for you.
Personally I hesitate to accept anything which is supposed to be from Leonard Peltier if it doesn't fit with the rest of the facts. The man is is in jail and is a political prisoner . As people affiliated with Treaty House have previously been seen to impersonate Native prisoners, or their families, it would make sense to really carefully check out the source of any email allegedly written by Leonard Peltier .
Zoi Lightfoot
Thats MRS Lightfoot
Whatever... You have been repeatedly refered to as "Zoe" or "Zoi Lightfoot" since at least 1994. If you were as involved in Native issues as you say you are, it seems people in the Native community would recognize you by your married name. And if you find Bonnie doubting you annoying , why not just tell people your maiden name and arrange with someone in the tribal council of whatever tribe you claim to be enrolled in to vouche for you ? Why are you wasting our time with what seems like a game of 20 guesses ?
And for that matter why should anyone take your word for anything? Seems like you are engaging in bold face lying ... For example ...
Zoi Lightfoot
NEVER said i was from White Earth
In the first post page one of this thread .
crazyeagle
Zoi Lightfoot is enrolled Anishinaabe
and you said ;
http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1252.15
Re: what tribe or nation is everyone?
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2008,
zoi lightfoot
mississippi band anishinabe
http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1722.15
Re: Paul Moore "Bear Paw"
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2008,
zoi lightfoot
Couple of things.
1) I am Mississippi Band Anishinaabe
2) i am an attorney
As far as i can see, White Earth is the reserve which belongs to the Mississippi band ....
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/White-Earth-Band-of-Chippewa
The White Earth Indian Reservation is the largest and historically poorest Indian reservation in Minnesota. It was formed in 1868 after a treaty was arranged with the Mississippi Band of Ojibwe the year before, though Native Americans from several bands eventually came to settle on the site.
So where are you enrolled if not at White Earth? I can't think of one good reason someone claiming to represent North American indigenous Nations to the UN would refuse to provide this information.
zoi lightfoot
Never said i worked FOR the UN
http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1735.0
Re: Blackwater Muskogee tribe
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2008,
zoi lightfoot
I've been a recognized attorney for over thirty five years and yes i am part of the vast intertribal legal team based at the UN.
This conversation is begining to remind me of conversations with Carlos Castenada . There's no evidence Don Juan ever existed and lots of evidence that he didn't , but if you split hairs and rationalize people can make anything seem possible.
What I find really disturbing is you obviously KNOW individuals have no right to appoint themselves as a representitive to a Nations , and this is a sovereignty issue.
zoi lightfoot
Re: Blackwater Muskogee tribe
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2008,
our Nations and their leadership do not require the permission nor do they require to notify anyone if they take the Sovereign position they name and nominate their own Ambassadors.
What sovereign Nation appointed you to create an something you have repeatedly refered to as an a consular facility or Native American embassy ?
Why should anybody be verbally abused and called a "little harpie" for insisting individuals making claims to officially represent sovereign nations provide some way to verify these claims?
If being researched bugs you why don't you save us all some work and provide some references. If you don't want to provide a way for the public to verify this , than quit making claims to gain the public trust. If anything you claim is true, I find your expectation of a position of public trust together with your repeated evasive and verbally abusive behaviour to be really really really inappropriate.
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Thats MRS Lightfoot you annoying little harpi,now try posting the reply EVERYONE ELSE has seen from Chief Gary Metallic,MY reply to you and Leonard Peltiers reply to you.Way too handy with calling folks fraud there Bonnie.NEVER said i was from White Earth,Never said i worked FOR the UN.Grow up some of us have REAL work to do!.
Here is one of the three e-mails Zoi requested that I post.
The other two e-mails are being checked for authenticity.
For your information
From: zoi lightfoot
Sent: Mon 2/02/09 5:27 AM
To: bls926
Cc: Leonard Peltier Defense Offense Committee; alberto; KOLA / IPF; gary metallic; Linda Lou Flewin
You know Bonnie,when you accuse someone of something,you had best make sure they actualy said what it is you accuse them of BEFORE you accuse them of being frauds,not only is your statement false and naive,you are now misleading the IITC.Not clever.
I do not work for the UN,nor am i about to discuss with you or your anonymous friend,WHO I work for and on what,but i do work for Indian peoples .You and MP claim I am a fraud,because the "personel dept" of the UN has not heard of me?,The Indian Nations are not recognised as member states of the UN.I suggest you play elsewhere.
You state LPDOC do not know me,you friend has been told directly that this is untrue,you are placing NAFPS in an untenable postion,in that you wrongly assume a public forum,comprising of more non natives than a site claiming to be Native should do,is the place the Nations and peoples will discuss thier internal business.
They will inform EVERYONE,as and when they see fit to determine what i do or do not do is any of yours or this Moma Porkcupines business,not before.And who on earth stated i was from White Earth?Was not me thats for sure,another false accusation on your part.
Now i have REAL work to do and have better things to do than play with egotistical,disruptive children.
VERY Sincerely
Zoi Lightfoot
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Subject: For your information
To: "zoi lightfoot"
Date: Sunday, 1 February, 2009, 8:05 PM
posted on NAFPS
RE: Zoi Lightfoot and Treaty House?
From: Bonnie Singleton
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:31 AM
To: International Indian Treaty Council
Subject: FW: Zoi Lightfoot and Treaty House
Resending this in case the original was overlooked. Please forward any information you have on Zoi Lightfoot and Treaty House. We need your help.
Thank you,
Bonnie Singleton
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From: bls926
To: alberto
Subject: Zoi Lightfoot and Treaty House
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:27:00 -0600
International Indian Treaty Council
The Redstone Building,
2940 16th Street, Suite 305
San Francisco, CA. 94103-3664.
(415) 641-4482 FAX (415) 641-1298
I am trying to find information about Zoi Lightfoot. The only thing I am sure of is that she lives in England.
She claims to be enrolled with the Mississippi Band of Ojibwe, from the White Earth Reservation. Inquiries have been made, and we are waiting for a reply.
Lightfoot claims to be an attorney working at the United Nations on Indigenous Rights, with over 35 years experience. I have not been able to find anything online connecting Lightfoot with the U.N., in any capacity.
She has claimed to be a member of AIM; however, I have not been able to verify this.
Lightfoot claims to be Leonard Peltier's cousin, although his family says that they do not know her.
Lightfoot and her friends present themselves as representatives to Europe from their respective Nations. Treaty House is supposed to be an American Indian embassy in England, for ex-pats or Indians traveling in Europe. There's no physical location for Treaty House; right now all it is is a myspace. Some of the people she associates with and supports are out-right frauds.
Please forward any information you may have on Lightfoot. Lightfoot refuses to give any references, either professional or private. She may be legitimate, but my gut says otherwise. If she is legit, fine. If she is another fraud, stealing Native American culture, I will help to expose her. If that is the case, not only is she preying on the unsuspecting European community and their love-affair with all things Indian, but is misleading American Indians living in Europe, the very people she says she is helping.
Thank you for your assistance in this matter. I hope to hear from you in the very near future.
Bonnie Singleton
613 Malone
Houston, Texas 77007
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There are no leaders in Unity...only many people walking side by side!
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good post, in its entirety mp .. hope you do not mind yet i would like to snip just a part of it .. ..
Personally I hesitate to accept anything which is supposed to be from Leonard Peltier if it doesn't fit with the rest of the facts. The man is is in jail and is a political prisoner . As people affiliated with Treaty House have previously been seen to impersonate Native prisoners, or their families, it would make sense to really carefully check out the source of any email allegedly written by Leonard Peltier .
very good advice .. especially right now .. .. hesitate indeed .. .. .. often times, in any organization founded to support a person in prison, those running the organization have far more control and "say so" than the actual person whom they are purportedly supporting ..
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Thats MRS Lightfoot you annoying little harpi,now try posting the reply EVERYONE ELSE has seen from Chief Gary Metallic,MY reply to you and Leonard Peltiers reply to you.Way too handy with calling folks fraud there Bonnie.NEVER said i was from White Earth,Never said i worked FOR the UN.Grow up some of us have REAL work to do!.
zoi .. no need to get "your knickers in a twist" and be so nasty now is there? .. why do YOU not post these "reply's" you speak of?? .. who exactly is "EVERYONE ELSE" in your little world? .. none of us have seen anything, obviously we are not "everyone" .. if they are so impotrtant why don't YOU post them eh?
why not tell us all EXACTLY where you ARE enrolled? .. if it is not white earth, where then??? .. white earth is where the band you claim to be enrolled in, IS .. .. .. and sorry sweetie, yet you do strongly IMPLY, in many posts, that you work for the UN and further IMPLY that you have done so for 30+ years ..
if you are NOT willing to deal with questions in an open and forthright manner than you forfeit the right to get "bent" when others have no other choice but to come to conclusions from ALL that you have IMPLIED ..
why don't you "grow up" and just answer the questions being asked of you in a truthful and forthright manner? .. what have you to hide zoi??? .. why is it ok for YOU to ask questions in order to determine the legitimacy of someones claims, and yet you do not allow anyone to do the same to you?? .. you are the one putting yourself out there as "someone important" and making claims that no one has been able to verify .. which is exactly the sort of thing that does get questioned vigorously, by us as well as by you, in all other instances of someone making such claims .. ..
a few months ago, DH, KA and others of Leonard's close friends and family strongly denied any knowledge of you. denied you being a "cousin" of Leonard's .. now, apparently KA has decided to change their mind on that statement .. which makes one wonder exactly what IS going on .. ya know, a LOT of people toss those terms around rather loosely, to say the least! .. "cousin, brother, sister etc" .. people who have never even met or spoken directly with Leonard .. yet seem to think that having any sort of connection "with" him allows them to do so .. even to the point of putting out letters et al in his name and saying that they are a "family member" .. .. some of us know better than to fall for such drivel, others unfortunately do not and are suckered in by these "family members" .. are you indeed a member of leonard's family, BY BLOOD, or just tossing the term around in that popular nuage way??? .. ..
you came in here dropping names like candy, and personally i do not trust anyone who has a need to drop names in order to establish their own credibility .. i have stayed out of this until now zoi .. yet will no longer stand by and let you attack innocent people for merely asking questions .. questions you have yet to answer .. .. .. is your presence in here merely to cause trouble now? .. is it all just part of the game zoi? .. some of us know the game and do not wish to participate .. ..
ndn country is a small place zoi, which you should know, if you are who and what you say are .. in ndn country, everyone knows, or knows of, everyone else in some way or another ..
bottom line here is that no one in ndn country (usa/canada) acknowledges knowing you .. so why do you not just clear this all up for everyone zoi? .. i would think that it would be really simple for you to do so IF you are who you say you are etc .. answer the questions that are being asked of you, be as upfront with the people here as you expect others to be with you ..
i have my own opinion of what is going on, which i will not voice publicly .. not as of yet anyways .. .. .. .. ..
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to bonnie in particular and all others in general.. hang in there, the truth will come out in the end .. ..
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Thats MRS Lightfoot you annoying little harpi,now try posting the reply EVERYONE ELSE has seen from Chief Gary Metallic,MY reply to you and Leonard Peltiers reply to you.Way too handy with calling folks fraud there Bonnie.NEVER said i was from White Earth,Never said i worked FOR the UN.Grow up some of us have REAL work to do!.
I will not be posting the e-mail from Gary Metallic, forwarded to me by Zoi Lightfoot. I've been asked to keep all correspondence with Chief Metallic private and I have agreed to do that.
I did not receive any correspondence from Leonard Peltier.
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On Feb 11 , over a week ago, I sent the email copied below, to the LP DOC. at
contact[at]whoisleonardpeltier.info
I still have not recieved an answer. I understand people are busy, but this question has been left unanswered for too long. I am posting this here, because it needs to be clear to the public what was asked and who answered. As Ben Carnes and his partner are both members of this message board , and Ben Carnes is also an official spokesperson for the LP DOC, i am posting this here in the hopes of getting a clear and definitive answer.
The email I sent last week read;
Does LPDOC endorse UK organization Treaty House?
Hi
I am a member of an online message board called NAFPS which tries to
educate the public so they are better able to recognize and avoid
supporting people who exploit indigenous cultures and identities.
I post under the username Moma_porcupine. Ben Carnes partner Cat (
Ponche Huma) is also a member of that message board. Cat may remember
that last summer I exchanged some PMs with her discussing one of the
people she was working with, in an effort to shut down Suraj Holzwarth
aka White Eagle Medicine Woman.
PJ Morgan is just an alias. I apologize if this seems rude, but it may
be important to me and my families safety and sanity to remain
anonymous. As what I am writing you about is a matter of public
interest, and the facts are easily verifiable through other sources
than myself, who I am as an individual is not really relevant to this
inquirey.
Why I am writing is to ask about a project called Treaty House which
is being undertaken by a person who has been involved supporting the
European branch of the LPDOC for at least 15 years. This person is
named Zoi Lightfoot.
Treaty House is supposedly going to be funded by a big gathering in
the UK which will feature many Native artists , speakers and
performers. This organization Treaty House has repeatedly been said to
be intended to be a "Native American Embassy in Europe", a "consular
facility" and political and cultural center in Europe which is owned
by "the Nations".
The problem being, it is not clear which Nations are backing this ,
and none of the people who are creating Treaty House have provided any
evidence any of them are actually enrolled in a federally recognized
tribe. At least 2 of the three organizers appear to be people of very
distant descent ( or possibly none at all ) and are probably not be
eligible to be enrolled in any federally recognized tribe. However
they all refer to themselves as being NDNs and as representing NDN
Nations.
Zoi Lightfoot has made a number of questionable claims about herself,
including that she is Leonard Peltier's cousin. Whether or not this is
true, the main issue is that she seems to be using her involvement in
the LPODC as a reference.
If you are not aware of all the details of these claims it would help
if you read through all of the thread linked to below, which is posted
in NAFPS.
http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1390.0
What I would like to know is if the LPDOC is officially supporting the
creation of this organization Treaty House with Linda Lou Flewin as
Consular Director and your LPODC member Zoi Lightfoot as legal
advisor?
I would also like to know if there truly any tribal governments
supporting and backing this organization.
As Ben Carnes is a member of NAFPS he would be welcome to post this
email , and his answer , in that thread. I would strongly recommend
before anyone answers this one way or another that they take the time
to first read through all of the thread , so they are sure what they
may be supporting. Or I could post your answer myself.
This Treaty House is presenting itself as a public organization. The
public needs a way to verify if this is a legit organization which
should be supported. The name of the LPDOC is being used as a
reference.
Is this being done with your organizations permission?
If the LPDOC does wish to officially support Treaty House it would be
good to lay the doubts about this to rest, and if it doesn't, it seems
it would be good to clarify this so the reputation of the LPODC is not
discredited through being wrongly associated with an organization it
does not wish to support.
I really hope this email will not offend anyone. There is no way the
public can avoid supporting exploiters who misappropriate Native
culture and political identity if the public can't ask questions to
verify who is legit and who isn't.
Thanks for your time
Not PJ Morgan and not really a Porcupine...
Just doing my best to tell the truth
( the red bold is added to this post and wasn't in the original. I just want to make sure it is clear what is being asked )
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moma ..
i cannot understand how anyone can be too busy to reply to your email .. why is the LP DOC not answering this?! .. these questions your asking are valid questions and have NEED to be answered .. one would think this would also be important to the LP DOC to answer these questions, as any sort of controversy about someone such as zoi being connected with them could cast doubt on the integrity of the organization etc .. far above the reputation of LP DOC is the fact that things like this can and do cause harm to LP!! .. loss of support for LP. especially right now when we do have SO much support, is not a good thing and one would think that the person running LP DOC would KNOW this!!! .. ..
to snip a bit of your email moma ..
"I really hope this email will not offend anyone. There is no way the
public can avoid supporting exploiters who misappropriate Native
culture and political identity if the public can't ask questions to
verify who is legit and who isn't."
very true!! well said!! .. i do not think anyone intends to offend! .. if we are not allowed to ask questions how can we be expected to ascertain who is legit and who is not??
t
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The LPDC was disolved, LPDOC was started last yeah in the first half.
The copy of the incorporation with the date on the main site I can't read due to my monitor.. but this is on the site..on one of the blogs
http://whoisleonardpeltier.blogspot.com/2008/09/message-from-leonard-peltier-and-lpdoc.html
May 18, 2008
Greetings. We hope this message finds you well and in good spirits.
As many of you already know, due to recent circumstances beyond his control, Leonard Peltier has had no choice but to dissolve the Leonard Peltier Defense Committee. However, you should also know that Leonard's family has no intention of letting this occurrence prevent us from continuing our efforts on Leonard's behalf. Rather than being defeated, this occurrence has strengthened our -- and his -- resolve.
Today, we are very happy to officially announce that a new support organization has been established for Leonard -- the Leonard Peltier Defense Offense Committee (LPDOC), incorporated in the State of North Dakota. Details about the LPDOC will be released in the days and weeks ahead. We encourage you to often visit our Web site at
http://www.whoisleonardpeltier.info for all the latest information.
Supporters beware! The LPDOC is the only organization authorized to raise funds, by any means, for Leonard's legal defense and freedom campaign. Former Peltier resources -- web site addresses such as freepeltier.org, leonardpeltier.org, leonardpeltier.net, etc., selected MySpace pages, and the Freedom Walk at www.freedomwalk.com -- are no longer affiliated with Leonard Peltier or his network of family, friends and other supporters; and in no way do these Internet resources represent Leonard's views or contribute to Leonard's freedom campaign -- financially or otherwise. We request that you immediately link instead to http://www.whoisleonardpeltier.info, as well as delete the Freedom Walk widget from your Web sites, blogs, and MySpace and Facebook pages.
All unpleasantness aside, as we make this new beginning, we hope you will recommit to the struggle and continue to walk with Leonard towards freedom. Join with us to bring Leonard home.
Please make note of and circulate the LPDOC's contact information:
Leonard Peltier Defense Offense Committee (LPDOC)
PO Box 7488, Fargo, ND 58106
Phone: 701/235-2206
E-mail: contact@whoisleonardpeltier.info
Web: http://www.whoisleonardpeltier.info
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spaewife .. ???
i think we all know about LPDC being dissolved and the creation of the LP DOC .. so i am not sure what your trying to say with that post?? .. .. what has that to do with the current situation and zoi??
sorry i am confused as to your meaning with that post .. :)
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Besides posting the unanswered email in Reply #73 , I sent a copy through the NAFPS private message system to Ben Carnes partner Cat . She is a member of NAFPS and she said she would she would try to call Kari Ann.
In response, I sent her the following PM
Please no more confused communication......
« Sent to: Ponshe Humma on: February 19, 2009,
Cat, over the past 6 months , there is lots of people claiming they talked to someone in the LP DOC .
The problem is, there hasn't been a completely consistent clear answer coming from the LP DOC. It partly depends on who asks the question, how the question is framed, just what it is the person thinks they are agreeing or disagreeing with, and the credibility of the source. It also depends on if the question is sidesteped by answering something that wasn't asked.
That is why I posted the question publicly, and this is also why I am asking for a person who is recognized as a formal spokes person for the LP DOC such as Ben Carnes, who is also a member of NAFPS to make a clear statement as to whether the LP DOC supports or does not support the organization of this Treaty House as is described in the thread in NAFPS.
I understand if he first needs to talk to some people and make sure they have read this thread and know what they are commenting on, before he can say where the LP DOC stands.
But it isn't reasonable to think you can just phone Kari Ann when she is in the middle of who knows what and expect her to know what exactly she is approving or disapproving, without having read through the thread.
This is the reply I got back . Thanks to Cat for giving me permission to post this.
Re: Please no more confused communication......
« Sent to: Moma_porcupine on: Today
OK I finally spoke with Kari Ann - she said yes she is his relative and yes they work with them..I asked her to send me an email and i will forward it to you...
hope I helped out.
Cat
Maybe the email will further clarify just what it is Kari Ann is supporting.
I guess if anyone has any further questions they could get in touch with Kari Ann or Betty who are both coordinators of the LP DOC and Leonard Peltier's relatives.
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moma p .. ..
idk .. with all the lies, subterfuge, avoidance etc .. personally i would only trust a direct reply from LP himself ..
anyone can say anything .. fake it as if it were someone when it is not etc .. .. it has happened, we all know that .. guess i am at the point to where i do not trust any statement from anyone except from a person directly .. .. .. all these: so and so called and said ___ , so and so sent an email that said ___ .. and all similar such second hand statements .. that is simply not going to cut it with me after what has already happened that we know of.. .. .. .. .. .. ..
:) t
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Thats MRS Lightfoot you annoying little harpi,now try posting the reply EVERYONE ELSE has seen from Chief Gary Metallic,MY reply to you and Leonard Peltiers reply to you.Way too handy with calling folks fraud there Bonnie.NEVER said i was from White Earth,Never said i worked FOR the UN.Grow up some of us have REAL work to do!.
I will not be posting the e-mail from Gary Metallic, forwarded to me by Zoi Lightfoot. I've been asked to keep all correspondence with Chief Metallic private and I have agreed to do that.
I did not receive any correspondence from Leonard Peltier.
As I previously said, I have not received any correspondence from Leonard Peltier. However I did receive an e-mail from Kari Ann on February 2nd. I didn't post this earlier for several reasons.
First, I had to verify that it actually came from Kari Ann. Yes, the e-mail originated in Fargo, North Dakota. Even after I'd determined that it was from LPDOC, I still wasn't comfortable posting it on NAFPS. The wording in the e-mail is strange. First, Kari Ann asks her uncle who Zoi Lightfoot is, like she has no clue. Then, she says someone is trying to sabotage Zoi's credibility, like she's heard Zoi's side of what's been going on in detail, and hasn't bothered to learn what is really happening. The wording is off; it reads like poorly written fiction. I'm still not positive who wrote it; all I know for sure is that it came from LPDOC.
Another concern is the timing. Kari Ann received a copy of the e-mail Zoi wrote to me at 5:27 am CST and by 4:12 pm CST had talked to her uncle and had written to me. Conveniently, Leonard called her the same morning that she received Zoi's e-mail? It may not be impossible, but I think it's damn improbable.
With these concerns in mind, here is the e-mail I received on February 2nd.
To whom it may concern:
I spoke with Leonard this morning. I asked him one question. "Uncle, who is Zoi Lightfoot?"
His response, "She is our cousin, why? She has been there for me for years."
I told him, there are people asking about her and trying to sabotage her credibility.
He says "NO! if anyone wants to know my relationship i have with her, have them write me. She is our relative."
I hope this will put you at ease Bonnie.
Kari Ann
Assistant Coordinator
Leonard Peltier Defense Offense Committee
www.whoisleonardpeltier.info
I wrote to Kari Ann on February 4th, but have not had a reply.
Kari Ann,
Thank you for taking the time to ask Leonard about Zoi Lightfoot. I was never trying to "sabotage her credibility". I was only trying to verify who she was. She's made so many claims about who she is and what she's done and no one knew anything about her.
Bonnie Singleton
I tried to call the LPDOC office several times without getting an answer. I did talk with someone today. Betty and Kari Ann are in PA visiting Leonard. They will not be back home for several days. Kari Ann is without a phone or internet access. Hopefully she will call me when she returns and gets my message. I really want to ask her what's going on. Why didn't anyone know who Zoi was in July? Why are they willing to claim her as a cousin now?
Edit to add: While I'm still not comfortable with this e-mail, if this is going to be the "official" LPDOC position on the Zoi Lightfoot debacle, I felt it was important to share both the e-mail and my concerns with y'all.
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Are there any limits to this woman's rudeness and disrespect?
I've been trying to get answers for months, not weeks or days. Seems Zoi's now trying to use Bob Robideau's death to further her cause. And she's calling me a "disrespectful moron"? Unbelievable.
E-mail from Zoi:
THIS is why LPDOC have not returned your "summons to answer to you"you disrespectful moron!
--- On Mon, 23/2/09, contact @ whoisleonard peltier. info <contact @ whoisleonard peltier. info> wrote:
From: contact @ whoisleonard peltier. info <contact @ whoisleonard peltier. info>
Subject: Leonard Peltier Remembers Bob Robideau
To: shugpt.1896 @ btinternet. com
Date: Monday, 23 February, 2009, 3:04 AM
Greetings my relatives!
It is with a real deep sense of loss that I write this. The loss of my brother
in the struggle for Indigenous rights who was also my blood cousin and also a
defendant in the Oglala shoot-out trials. I am speaking of Robert Robideau, who
we called Bob most of the time. Bob was a tireless campaigner for my freedom
and Indigenous rights all over the world. I can’t express enough how greatly
his leaving this level of existence will be missed.
Bob and I grew up together. We were involved in the 70’s American Indian
Movement together. We were shot at together. We were on the run together and
over the 33 years of my imprisonment, Bob was a person I could count on for a
lot of reasons. We laughed together, quarreled with one another, praised one
another and had strong disagreements at times. Bob was the one person I could
truly count on to tell me the straight of it, whether I liked it or not. I
didn’t talk to Bob in person that often, as of late, but just the thought of
knowing it will be a while before I talk with him again, causes a sense of
missing him like never before. He was sometimes my worst critic and sometimes
my best support, but he was always my brother and I loved him dearly. I
wouldn’t doubt that wherever he is at, he’s organizing a support group of
some sort. If I thought there was anything that I
could say that would bring him back to us, this statement would go on for as
long as it took. However, reality being what it is, I know Bob will appreciate
our concerns for the loved ones he left behind and want us to go on and do the
very best we can to make this a better and more free, more just world we live in
and he would surely remind us that we are the guardians of the future and the
keepers of today.
It is always difficult to address the loss of people you knew and cared about,
but every once in awhile, there is a loss that is deeper than all the rest. In
this loss, there is often a loss of words. It is a time when the shock of the
situation is so close that you just don’t know what to say. One thing I can
say for sure is that the loss of Bob Robideau is a loss to all. And to Bob, I
don’t know how long I’ll be here myself, but that doesn’t matter. I look
forward to seeing you again my brother, some other time, some other place. May
the Creator be with you wherever you are and wherever you go.
In the Spirit of Crazy Horse, Bob Robideau, Steve Robideau, Joe Stuntz, Bobby
Garcia, Roque Duenas, Nilak Butler, Anna Mae Aquash, , and all the others who
gave of themselves for our People.
Mitakuye oyasin
Leonard Peltier
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Huh, I thought the lack of immediate respose was because they were in PA visiting Leonard...
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bls ..
wow that sure makes LP DOC look good with a reply like that!!! .. that is really disrespectful and rude! .. .. seriously there is NO excuse as to why someone from LP DOC has not gotten back to you and others about these inquires .. .. not the hem hawing, forwarded emails etc .. but serious answers! .. it is very unfortunate and makes the organization look bad .. and that is NOT good!!! .. ..
LP DOC: David Hill, Betty Ann, Kerry Ann, Ben and Cat Carnes, and recently added, Wanbli Tate .. out of these, David and Betty Ann have no computers, no internet access, etc .. Kerry Ann is often unavailable due to family matters, understandably ..
i know that ben and cat are still in the process of moving and was told that they do not yet have internet or phone .. that was the last i heard anyways .. and sorry to say, they do not return calls, emails etc when they are of a controversial nature .. and they would not know about this zoi anyways .. ..
i also do not believe that Wanbli would know anything about this particular issue either ..
either zoi is or is not a blood cousin of LP or not .. either the LP DOC supports zoi or they do not .. should be a simple answer to get!!
makes us all wonder even more when people are not being forthright about this whole thing about zoi and there is so much rudeness and disrespect .. .. .. ..
it is at the point now, due to the "unbelievable" and unverifiable emails etc, that we need a direct answer from LP ..
it has become a "whose words can you trust" thing .. .. this whole mess could conceivably cause harm to LP and THAT should be avoided at all costs!!!! .. ..
PS .. David, Betty Ann and Kerry Ann should be back from their visit with LP soon ..
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Hopefully when she returns from PA, Kari Ann will clarify just what it is she meant to support when she sent that email. Though the email Kari Ann was sent from Zoi which is posted in Reply #69 includes Bonnies email to the IITC and a brief explaination of some of the concerns, and other people have previously brought this to Kari Ann's attention, if she's really busy she may not have had a chance to look at all the details.
Before anyone interprets Kari Ann's comments acknowledging some relationship with Zoi as being an informed endorsement of Treaty House, maybe we should be sure Kari Ann has actually read the information in this thread and knows what she is endorsing. The same would be true of an endorsement coming from anyone else. Although Kari Ann's email makes it sound like she didn't know who Zoi was until she asked her Uncle, it's hard to imagine that foul tempered denuciation of anyone daring to question her, was Zoi's idea of introducing herself to a relative she had never spoken to before. I wonder what Zoi told Kari Ann and what Kari Ann was responding to?
Though Zoi seems to be using her association with the LP DOC and her claims to be related to Leonard Peltier as a way to boost her own importance, whether or not Zoi is actually related to Leonard Peltier was never the main issue and it still isn't.
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Hopefully when she returns from PA, Kari Ann will clarify just what it is she meant to support when she sent that email. Though the email Kari Ann was sent from Zoi which is posted in Reply #69 includes Bonnies email to the IITC and a brief explaination of some of the concerns, and other people have previously brought this to Kari Ann's attention, if she's really busy she may not have had a chance to look at all the details.
Before anyone interprets Kari Ann's comments acknowledging some relationship with Zoi as being an informed endorsement of Treaty House, maybe we should be sure Kari Ann has actually read the information in this thread and knows what she is endorsing. The same would be true of an endorsement coming from anyone else. Although Kari Ann's email makes it sound like she didn't know who Zoi was until she asked her Uncle, it's hard to imagine that foul tempered denuciation of anyone daring to question her, was Zoi's idea of introducing herself to a relative she had never spoken to before. I wonder what Zoi told Kari Ann and what Kari Ann was responding to?
Though Zoi seems to be using her association with the LP DOC and her claims to be related to Leonard Peltier as a way to boost her own importance, whether or not Zoi is actually related to Leonard Peltier was never the main issue and it still isn't.
moma ..
your right .. whether zoi is actually related to LP or not .. is not the main issue .. merely a lesser one, it is important only in that so many people go around claiming to be something they are not .. .. the main issue is whether LP DOC supports zoi's organization "treaty house" and if so, do they then also support all the other questionable things zoi is involved in .. yes?
giving the benefit of the doubt in that the email from Kerry Ann actually came from her ..
i sincerely believe that Kerry Ann is not being given the whole story .. without that how can she possibly make an informed decision as to whether LP DOC supports zoi and "treaty house"?? .. ..
far too many questions and no answers .. .. ..
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I'm sure we've all seen this article from Indigenous People about the First Nations Gathering scheduled for May 2008. This was being billed as "the largest International Intertribal Gathering ever to be held in Europe" and was to raise funds for Treaty House. Does anyone know if this Gathering took place last spring?
First Nations Gathering
The idea of a ‘First Nations Gathering’ was broached in June 2007 by the group setting up Treaty House. This will be the largest International Intertribal Gathering ever to be held in Europe, planned for 10 – 16 May 2008. It will be an annual showcase event featuring Native American Film, Art and Music together with educational talks and workshops to raise awareness, challenge stereotypes and to focus on current thinking among the First Nations of the Americas.
The Gathering was inspired by the Treaty House project, originated and led by Native American ex-pats living in the UK, with support and approval from Indigenous elders and communities from the US. It is an idea in the making. A Native American cultural and political centre in London, run by First American Nations, providing a focal point for thousands of ex-pats living in Europe. Treaty House is to be a ‘European Native American Embassy’, a resource centre, point of contact and a cultural bridge for the host community, disseminating information from source, organising and hosting a variety of cultural and political events and producing publications aimed at promoting a true and contemporary image of Native American Nations into the mainstream.
With this aim, we are organising the international First Nations Gathering for 2008 or 2009. Funds raised from the Gathering will go towards setting up Treaty House.
A meeting was held with representatives of Indigenous People, the Native Spirit Festival, First Nations Gathering and the Synergy Centre to plan and co-ordinate the event for next year. The FNG team includes :
· Zoi Lightfoot of the Anishinabe Nation, a lawyer for Native American rights in the UN, living in London.
· Linda Lou Flewin of the Mi'kmaq Nation, a business entrepreneur, living in Wiltshire.
· Liz Roemer of the Creek/Cherokee Nation, a retired American Navy IT professional, living in Berkshire.
· Sanda Kolar, a film / documentary maker with strong links to American indigenous communities, living in London.
FNG have strong links with the Leonard Peltier Defense Campaign, and with a large network of indigenous performers and campaigners, including Warrior Artist Productions, who perform “My Life Is My Sun” by Lenoard Peltier, accompanied by an exhibition of his artwork. Strong links also exist with the Kevin Locke Native Dance Ensemble and associated artists, Blackfire and the Jones Benally Family and Joanne Shenandoah among other Native American performers, artists, spiritual leaders and intellectuals confirmed for this years Gathering.
http://www.indigenouspeople.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=45
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I thought it might be a good idea to revisit the original post in this thread, our introduction to Zoi Lightfoot.
Statement from Zoi Lightfoot – Director of Legal Affairs – Treaty House London UK
An Explanation of who Zoi Lightfoot is:
Zoi Lightfoot is enrolled Anishinaabe. She is Leonard Peltiers Cousin and she also is a lawyer who works for Native Rights in the UN and lives in London UK. Zoi Lightfoot is also recognized by the Women Title Holders of the Mohawk Nation.
Enrolled? If not White Earth, where? Zoi, you claim Anishnaabe, but do they claim you?
Leonard Peltier's Cousin, with a capital C . . . Leonard says we're all related.
A lawyer who works for Native Rights in the UN . . . By Zoi's own admission, she does not now nor ever has worked in the UN. Of course, she also tried to deny ever making the claim to over 35 years experience working in the UN. Emphasis on 'tried'.
Lives in London UK . . . Guess that part is true.
Wonder if anyone in the Mohawk Nation knows they recognize Zoi Lightfoot.
This statement was made to the committee members yesterday Saturday 20th October 2007 of Friends of Native Nations Network in London UK which comprises of English people with regards to Volunteer work for the Gathering in May 2008 in London UK which is Being organized by the Members of the international Intertribal Community.
Still haven't been able to find out whether this Gathering took place or not. I'm leaning toward not. I'm sure there would have been something somewhere about it, if it had actually taken place.
It is my understanding that members of the International Intertribal Community (IIC), Linda Lou Flewin and myself are present at your AGM to update you all on the Gathering of Nations. Unfortunately that is somewhat difficult for us as a member of your own committee has seen fit to contact Linda Lou directly stating that they have heard certain falsehoods concerning the Gathering. Falsehoods they choose to believe without having the decency to check before they wrote to Linda Lou Flewin to tell her on the basis of FALSE accusations, they could not/would not support the Gathering of Nations.
This begs a question from me. When the founding NNN members sat in MY home certain founding principles were agreed between the groups. Concerning malicious undermining and illegal slanders. You either have a problem of internal communication which you need to address amongst yourselves at your next meeting or you feel you have come so far you no longer need to hold true to your founding principals.
I wonder if this was really "illegal slanders" or someone asking questions, wanting the facts. Seems anyone who asks for information, references, etc is subject to ridicule and name calling.
Question? Where did your committee member get the notion the Gathering of Nations did not exist, that it was some “activist??? plot orchestrated by Linda Lou Flewin, Consular Director for Canadian Affairs, Liz Roemer UK Based IIC member and Larry D. Nichols IIC member based in Germany.
Consular Director for Canadian Affairs . . . Who named Linda Lou Flewin to this post? Who does she represent?
That this “plot??? is to defraud the pow wow hobbyists in the UK of donations, which will be used to bring “AIM Activists??? to the UK for the sole purpose of destroying the Pow wow re-enactments in the UK and Germany.
A plot to defraud the pow wow hobbyists of donations . . . One group of pretendians defrauding another group of pretendians. That's a good one. AIM involvement? AIM doesn't know y'all exist.
Our peoples have been obstructed from presenting the DOCUMENTED facts at the Pow wows in relation to these highly illegal accusations. They are subject to a form of hobbyist racial segregation. So, before I update you on the Gathering, let me bring you up to speed on the total background of this matter the Indian Nations themselves are monitoring closely.
What Nations are monitoring your activities?
Our Peoples overseas are not just a “few??? Indians scattered across Europe, the IIC represents approximately one eighth of our combined sovereign nations populous residing overseas. We respect the fact a majority of you do not see our ethnic community as a social club or playground for the racially confused. Sadly, there will always be those who presume that reading a few books and dressing up and enjoying a Pow wow for a few hours gives them the right to lie directly to us and assault members of the Indian Nations when they make false claims of being Indian.
Pot-Kettle Award goes to Zoi Lightfoot for this remark.
Our Members have been spat at, subject to threats concerning homes, families and personal safety. Cut and paste slanderous misinformation, some lifted and corrupted from our own central communications with Indian Nations. One individual even going so far as to play a real life 21st century game of Calvary vs. Indians on a US Army Base in Germany when their apparent racial ignorance was so bad they were told to produce their CDIB card and prove they were Indian.
Central communications with Indian Nations . . . Which Nations would this be?
Another two are a husband and wife team. He is British and she is German. She claimed the following: her mother was a veteran of Alcatraz, currently in hiding in Germany from the FBI. That her sibling whose hair she hangs in her living room to honor her was murdered by the FBI at yet another confrontation with the federal forces during the reign of terror and that she murdered her abusive father.
Problem was she chose of her own free will and volition to broadcast this to the Indian Nations through our central communications. The Veterans of Alcatraz were listening as were the grieving families of those who did not survive those dark times and they did not care much for this woman whose own horrified mother was telling us she was lying and whose father was alive the last time he introduced himself to members of the IIC.
She took their personal history, their grief and pain and turned it into a Twinkie lie and a mockery. It would be fair to say the direct response to her was swift and in some instances “colorful???
The spouse of this individual however was less concerned for his wife’s well being and more interested in blaming someone for the fact the Indian people themselves would have the audacity to object. That he ignored sound legal advice to the contrary and at the Bison Farm Pow wow UK did seek out and instigate an aggressive confrontation with Linda Lou Flewin and Liz Roemer. Such was the personally misplaced anger of this man; he did literally spit his low racial opinion of the Mi’kmaq peoples and Nation into the face of Linda Lou Flewin. In turn becoming equally abusive towards Liz Roemer.
Linda Lou ended any further abuse by slamming her hand on the table in front of her stating “that’s enough! You are an arrogant racially abusive Englishman??? when this individual turned his attention on our ancient clan lodge system, declaring our clan mothers and protocols to be “sexist???
Some days after that Pow Wow Linda Lou was contacted by an English policeman PC3435 Ian Hallam as this individual had made a complaint of racial harassment against Linda Lou as she had called the Individual an “ENGLISHMAN??? PC3435 Ian Hallam was made aware of the entire facts about the initial assault on her personally inclusive of the fact legal council had been made aware of the incident.
Drama Drama Drama
Since that time all that these people have been saying and doing has been passed onto all Nations.
All Nations . . . Again, which Nations?
The latest fad to hit town, is being stupid enough to claim to be from the same rez as Linda Lou and her Sister and that they are not Mi’kmaq. This on the Facebook website which they all have access to and which will be left there so the Nation can see what is happening in Europe’s underbelly with our own peoples.
I doubt if the MiKmaq Nation cares what's being said on Linda Lou's Facebook. The MiKmaq people have real lives with real issues to deal with.
All IIC (International Intertribal Community) members in Europe are experiencing malicious phone calls from silence to native music being played loudly and toilets flushing. So we all understand each other, these are central consular communications that are accessed and broadcast to our nations. As of today my official legal council is that we will report malicious calls to both service providers and police.
Central consular communications that are accessed and broadcast to our nations . . . One more time, which Nations?
Any notion that non-Indian peoples can openly assault members of our nations residing overseas is naïve in the extreme. Any notion we will be told how unreasonable taking legal actions against these people is labouring under the notion “we are all related??? needs to adjust to the fact there are no exclusion clauses for the Indian people when it comes to internationally recognized race laws. We will protect OUR OWN.
You have to actually be Indian before these laws would apply. White people don't discriminate against other white people. Well they might, but it isn't based on race.
Now this brings me to the Gathering. Given that the Grand Chief of the Mi’kmaq Nation has agreed in principle to attend the Gathering amongst others, given the way one of his peoples has been assaulted and racially abused, I can understand why this tiny minority of the hobbyist culture would be nervous about his presence. So let’s set the record straight shall we.
I guess "agreeing in principle to attend" isn't the same thing as actually agreeing to be there.
As most of you are aware and have seen, there is in existence a document in the form of a letter dated 19th July 1995 from Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II granting formal liberty for the Sovereign Nations to gather and convene in the United Kingdom.
Admittedly we do not require Her Majesties permission to convene in her sovereign territory, but as history shows and treaty obligations dictate it’s just not the done thing to not clearly state your objective and ask before one race of people descends on another. We take sovereign autonomy very seriously be it our individual Nations and their dealings with each other or the sovereignty of another races Nation.
This letter from the Queen would only apply if you were actually a member of a Sovereign Indian Nation. Don't think it's a blanket approval for every wannabe or hobbyist to hold any type of gathering they want.
At this present moment in time for The Gathering in London the members of the International Intertribal Community are entering a partnership with an established National Events Organizer in London UK who has lined up a major internationally recognized celeb to take on the media and press promotions side of things. We have interest from venues such as the Barbican and Roundhouse at this time. Plus have active interest from the Hard Rock Café and Hotel Chain who are due to be handed into the ownership of the Seminole Nation next year. They have expressed an interest in sponsoring the music side of the venues.
Who was this "major internationally recognized celeb" who was going to handle the media and press, help promote the Gathering?
To date we are still chasing corporate sponsorship for the film venues, a theatre, and exhibition space and or convention centre of some scale. We have Chiefs from several Nations, two complete dance troops, speakers, actors, craft makers and musicians. Most of which have confirmed and the list is growing.
Chiefs from several Nations? Two dance troupes? Actors? Musicians? Please name just a few.
If you choose to support us great, if not then we thank you for at least considering it. As for the Twinkie rubbish. Well the time has come for them to stop inciting hobbyist against our peoples and take legal responsibility for their own actions. We have been polite, we have asked, we have told, and now we are pushing back through the courts because this is where the racist BS stops. End of statement
Zoi, you joined this forum making claims about yourself and Treaty House. When we asked politely for references, we were called names and accused of wasting your time. You have such important, real work to do. You were quick to tell us about all the causes you've fought for, all the wrongs you have righted, in the abstract without specifics. No one in Indian Country has ever heard of you. If you had truly done all the things you've claimed, someone would have heard of you.
Game's up.
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You have my e mail,give it to your legal rep and have them contact me asap
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Oh so now were back to the threats and bullying people into not asking reasoable questions or pointing out how silly some of your claims are... .
The only reason I can see you are suggesting Bonnie gets an attorney is because you are trying to accuse her of damaging your reputation.
Don't you think it is you who is responsible for "sabatoging" your credibility when you repeatedly brag about how important you are and refuse to point to any evidence which supports this? You are entirely responsible for setting this up, and if your claims are true and it amused you to do so, it would be very easy for you to defend your own reputation . Why not just answer the obvious questions ? Or maybe you just enjoy verbally abuseing people ?
I have to telll you IMO that doesn't do much for your credibility either, but i guess you think it helps you in some way or you wouldn't do it - right?
I have to wonder why anyone with any common sense would come to an anti fraud message board and post this Statement from Treaty House with all it's grandious claims and fancy titles,
and expect nothing in these unlikely sounding claims would be questioned? Surely some skeptism and questions were anticipated when this announcment was posted here?
It seems if any of your claims were true you could easily provide a way to verify this. As it seems Kari Ann is willing to acknowledge you as some sort of relative it would have been so easy for you to PM someone the email of the LPDOC and Kari Ann's name as a refference way back several months ago. if you were actually concerned that peoples doubts about you might sabatoge your work ...
It would also be easy for you to provide a way to verify that you are enrolled somewhere and you are a lawyer and you do work at the UN , though now you say you don't. Not sure how you can verify contradictory statements but that is your problem.
And Zoi, who you are , and the fact there is so little evidence to support your personal claims is really a side issue . The main question is what Nations are you repeatedly using as a refference? Sorry but even if Leonard Peltier is your cousin and has paid for his support of NDN soverinty with his 33 years of lost freedom , niether he or anyone else in the LP DOC is a Nation.
Re: Ben Carnes and Eagle Mountain Spiritual Council
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Zoi Lightfoot
Tell me then Al,which bit of Leonards campaign is not disrupted by the nafps witch hunts and which part of nafps do you think ANY indian peoples answer to?The "friend" whose identity you keep hidden,while they troll Peltier support claiming thier work in this group is the reason they stay anonymous?and do the cut and paste rounds of gossip and misinformation?Or the non indian woman who took acception to the fact i like Ben and have respect for him,just because she has a personal axe to grind?What bit of that are you not grasping,we have an innocent man to free and that takes a lot of focus and dedication.Ben answered all the questions previously put to him,so i fail to see why this is still a disruptive topic of conversation.And if Nafps is on form then this will be the cue for your two buddies to jump in yes?
Zoi, if the LP DOC doesn't sieze this opprotunity to clearly distance itself from some of your activities, i would think being associated with someone like you is probably going to do a lot more damage to Leonard Peltier's cause than anyone asking how someone working as an advocate for Lenord Peltier came to be authorized to conduct a Sundance - which really is a whole different issue.
For that matter, the character of who ever is advocating that Leonard Peltier recieves justice is kind of beside the point- though the integrity of this fight for justice could be demoralized if the people engaged in this struggle were shown to be hypocritical.
Leonard Peltier has dedicated his life to a cause , but it is the cause and his dedication to it that has made him important.
What i am noticing, is the causes you are supporting seem to be exactly the opposit of the causes which has cost Leonard Peltier 33 years of his freedom.
Wasn't resisting the instalation of puppet political representives who served mainly non native intresets the whole point of the struggle at Wounded Knee?
How is it you don't think you have sabatoged what you claim to be your own work and anyone associated with you when you publicly support make believe political entities claiming to represent NDN people, tribes , NDN Chiefs , ambassadors and when you support a "Mi'kmaq" Consular Director of Treaty House who's own published genealogy shows all of the gr gr grandparents on the supposedly Mi'kmaq side of her family were recorded as English and of no relation to Grand Chief Ben Sylliboy as you claimed?
Maybe I am just too dumb to see it, and this is a misundersatanding, but i would really like you or someone else in the LP DOC to please explain how the causes you are supporting have anything to do with the causes Leonard Peltier has paid for with 33 years of his freedom?
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Previously posted on Friday, February 27th. Re-posting since everything from Friday night and Saturday disappeared.
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Quote from: zoi lightfoot on February 27, 2009, 09:37:25 AM
You have my e mail,give it to your legal rep and have them contact me asap
You have my e-mail and home address; give them to your legal rep and have him contact me, at his convenience. There's no rush.
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FNG have strong links with the Leonard Peltier Defense Campaign, and with a large network of indigenous performers and campaigners, including Warrior Artist Productions, who perform “My Life Is My Sun” by Lenoard Peltier, accompanied by an exhibition of his artwork. Strong links also exist with the Kevin Locke Native Dance Ensemble and associated artists, Blackfire and the Jones Benally Family and Joanne Shenandoah among other Native American performers, artists, spiritual leaders and intellectuals confirmed for this years Gathering.
http://www.indigenouspeople.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=45
I got to wondering how many of these entertainers were really "confirmed" for this Gathering, so I made a few inquiries.
I recently read about a First Nations Gathering in Europe that was being planned for May 10 - 16, 2008. This event was to be put on by Treaty House in London, England (Zoi Lightfoot, Linda Lou Flewin, Liz Roemer, and Sanda Kolar). The article stated that you were one of the entertainers scheduled to perform. I have not been able to find anything else about this Gathering, which was described as "the largest International Intertribal Gathering ever to be held in Europe". Did you appear at this Gathering last spring? Did the Gathering even take place? Below is the link to the article that I read.
http://www.indigenouspeople.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=45
Any information you can give me about the Gathering, Treaty House, or any of the people involved would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
Bonnie Singleton
613 Malone
Houston, TX 77007
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Hello Bonnie
We were in London at that time last year but there was no gathering..it was actually quite bizarre but we did perform for a place called the Synergy center with other indiginous groups but not from U.S. but from London. We are now currently back in europe so I hope to read the article on our travels
thanks
Berta Benally
Hello Bonnie,
For some reason I don't see my name on this link.
Do you have a copy of that?
Never heard of it actually - so we shall see - huh?
JS
Joanne
Thank you for your quick reply. Not sure if this Gathering actually took place last year or not. I haven't been able to find any additional information. Below is the article. You are listed as one of the performers confirmed for the Gathering, in the last paragraph.
Thanks for your help.
Bonnie
Ahhh yes.
Sorry - don't know a thing about it.
The email I sent them - came back.
If you find out anything, please let me know.
Thanks!
JS
Edit to add: I wasn't able to post the headers to these e-mails. (See my comment down in the Computer Issues section.) Berta Benally is part of the Jones Benally Family. JS is Joanne Shenandoah.
Zoi, you really shouldn't name-drop. Someone might call you on it.
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Quote from: zoi lightfoot on December 30, 2008, 09:23:24 AM
Actualy the only folks who have been throwing my name around and promoting it are YOU and MP.What i see is a lot of gossip,back biting and bad jacketing.Your personal agenda is showing,were i to listen to internet gossip and trawl for negative commentary,what would i find about you and MP,aka PJ Morgan plus the many other alias' MP uses?First would be the notion you and MP,hell even AL are one and the same person.Do i beleive that? NOT unless someone proves it nope.Next would be the accusation that MP is in fact a male child abuser.Do I believe that also?Once again not until some one proves it.BASIC legal principle that applies to everyone BLS926,you MP,Tsissy myself AL in fact every human on this planet.
Also in this thread is the notion the Mikmaq do not have Grand Chiefs,incorrect careful what you wish for on your disruptive quest MP.If you undermine the gathering then i will most certainly let the very Elders,Chiefs,spokespeople,inclusive of the entire cast of my lifes a sundance,know where to send the bill for thier disrupted travel arrangements.Plus a great many other things attatched to this gathering.
Guess the Gathering didn't take place in 2008. Looks like maybe it's going to take place this year, provided this is the same Gathering Zoi is talking about.
So, how are the plans coming along? Different line-up of entertainers this time around? Guess Joanne Shenandoah and the Jones Benally Family weren't invited this year. Neither knows anything about it and it's a little late now to start making plans to attend.
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my post to bls on this "gathering" .. re-posted from before the "day time stood still" .. :)
bonnie ..
guess the "gathering" is to take place this year - may 10 - 16, 2009 .. ..
source: www.myspace.com/treatyhouse
"FIRST NATIONS GATHERING
The First Nations Gathering, the largest International Intertribal Gathering ever to be held in Europe, will be from 10 – 16 May 2009. It is an annual showcase event featuring Native American Film, Art and Music together with educational talks, films, documentaries and workshops to raise awareness in general and to focus on current thinking."
this is the second post i placed in here, on the same day as the above post
and this too speaks of a 2009 "gathering" .. .. ..
source: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TreatyHouse/
Treaty House London UK are also establishing relations with Salford Council,Manchester UK in order to provide a historic Gathering of the Nations in 2009.This is to open up lines of communications on both sides of the ocean with a view to providing Educational cross exchanges and possibly to provide also a stream of revenue generating business within and for the Nations.
(these are the two posts of mine, that you never got to see bonnie)
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Thank you for re-posting, Tachia.
Zoi Lightfoot sure has a way with words.
source: www.myspace.com/treatyhouse
"FIRST NATIONS GATHERING
The First Nations Gathering, the largest International Intertribal Gathering ever to be held in Europe, will be from 10 – 16 May 2009. It is an annual showcase event featuring Native American Film, Art and Music together with educational talks, films, documentaries and workshops to raise awareness in general and to focus on current thinking."
It is an annual showcase event . . . This makes it sound like they've been doing it for a while. It's misleading. You don't call something "an annual event" if the event has never taken place before. It would be more accurate to say something like, 'This is our first Gathering and we hope to make it an annual event.'
source: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TreatyHouse/
Treaty House London UK are also establishing relations with Salford Council,Manchester UK in order to provide a historic Gathering of the Nations in 2009.This is to open up lines of communications on both sides of the ocean with a view to providing Educational cross exchanges and possibly to provide also a stream of revenue generating business within and for the Nations.
Open up lines of communications on both sides of the ocean . . . This makes it sound as though Treaty House actually has real contacts here in the United States and/or Canada. I have to ask again, what Nation claims any of you? Who on this side of the Atlantic will y'all be communicating with? This is another misleading statement; it would lead any rational person to think that Treaty House has the support and backing of the Nations. They don't.
This isn't the first time that those involved with Treaty House have made misleading statements.
Their organization is called Treaty House and they say they are part of the IIC. IIC stands for International Intertribal Community. When this thread first started, I thought they were talking about the IITC - International Indian Treaty Council. I guess cause the initials were so close, with their organization called Treaty House, and being familiar with the IITC and the work that they do . . . my mind played a trick on me. I doubt that I'm the only person who thought this. I think naming their group was intentional, to piggyback on the good reputation of the IITC. Misleading.
Calling Treaty House an embassy or consulate . . . That's not just misleading; that's lying. Saying you're a diplomat from your Nation, would be another lie. Treaty House doesn't represent any American Indian Nation or community.
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It was recognised there was and still is a need to have a good communications point for all Nations from Turtle Island within Europe domestically,economically and politically. It was also established that there was a real need for re-education about the Nations not as seen in the movies or on TV so therefore Treaty House London UK provide educational materials as well as a focal point for Native Issues.
Treaty House London UK are also establishing relations with Salford Council,Manchester UK in order to provide a historic Gathering of the Nations in 2009.This is to open up lines of communications on both sides of the ocean with a view to providing Educational cross exchanges and possibly to provide also a stream of revenue generating business within and for the Nations.
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3/10 Edit: Good thing I saved the original picture.
Noticed something else has changed with the Treaty House Yahoo Group . . . They've lost a member. 14 on 3/4; 13 on 3/10.
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Is that her in the center with the cheese-eatin grin?
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Is that her in the center with the cheese-eatin grin?
cheese-eatin grin? Which one would that be?
Don't know which one is Zoi, or if she's even in the picture. I've heard, from someone who should know, that this picture has nothing to do with Treaty House. It was taken in front of the U.S. Embassy during a Peltier Vigil, four or five years ago.
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If she is not identified as being in the picture and the photo has nothing to do with Treaty House what is the purpose of posting it on this thread? I didn't visit the link, did this photo come from there? If she is promoting her involvement in native causes I would think she would be in a photo in their promotional literature.
EDITED TO ADD: I did visit the link and saw the photo there...
cheese-eatin grin? Which one would that be?
Don't know which one is Zoi, or if she's even in the picture. I've heard, from someone who should know, that this picture has nothing to do with Treaty House. It was taken in front of the U.S. Embassy during a Peltier Vigil, four or five years ago.
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Why did I post the picture? Wolfhawaii, you really don't know me very well or you wouldn't have asked that question. There's a reason for everything I do. The picture and text are on the Treaty House Yahoo Group's Home Page. Why else would I post it? I didn't just decide to post a picture I found while surfing the net that had no connection to the discussion at hand.
I've learned that Zoi is not in the photo; she didn't attend the Vigil. Don't know why. The woman in the center of the picture is Linda Lou Flewin, Consular Director for Canadian Affairs (sic).
It appears that this is another case of misleading information . . .
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Frauds - Blackwater Muskogee tribe
http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1735.0
After I posted the e-mails I received from the Muscogee (Creek) Nation and the Poarch Band of Creek Indians (pg 6, reply #86), Zoi Lightfoot made the following statement:
Thank you,thats all i asked for in the first place,I will leave the main body of the Blackwater to your selves as they are in the States and I will speak with the two here AND the Billingtons.As the Billingtons themselves have some other matters to clarify with the ex pat community.
Guess that talk with Larry Nichols and Liz Roemer didn't have much effect. Nichols is still holding Blackwater Band of Lower Muskokee Powwows and Liz Roemer is one of the "special guests" at the September event. Linda Lou Flewin is also a "special guest" at this powow. Both Roemer and Flewin are members of Treaty House.
MUSKOKEE-POWWOW-TIME IN SEPTEMBER
9. NATIVE AMERICAN POW-WOW
Blackwater Band of Lower Muskokees e.V.
12. & 13. September 2009
in Heilbronn-Horkheim, Germany
auf dem Gelände neben dem Steinbruchbetrieb BMK
Anfahrt Horkheim
This Pow-wow is dedicated to
our European host as a cultural exchange of friendship
Special Guests (Subject to change)
Trisha Nell Sokolowski & son Cherokee
Barbara Kaden Wetz Ojibwa
Brenda Volle Ojibwa
Liz Roemer Cherokee-Creek **
Linda Lou Flewin Micmac **
Rita Schmidt Ojibwa
Lakishia Wallace Choctaw
Larry Wynn & family Lakota
Alan Roy & family Lakota
Willie James Summers Cherokee
Robert Wallace & family Ojibwa
Bryan K McCollum & family Creek
Robert Parker & family Ojibwa
Peter Woener Choctaw-Creek
John Blackbird Cree
Frank Barber Shawnee
Elder Mark Kretschmer
Bill & Antonia Westerfield
Jack & Gabe Weber
MC: Willi James Summers & Mark Kretschmer
AD: Alan Roy & Bill Westerfield
Men’s Head Dancer: Robert Wallace & Jack Weber
Women’s Head Dancer: Lakishia Wallace & Antonia Westerfield
Host Drum: Wicahpi Oyate Drum aus der Schweiz
Guest Drum: Sweetgrass Indian Drum Singers aus Deutschland
Amp & Sound Techniker: Heinz Wellmann
Pow-wow Organisations-Kontaktperson: Benny & Marianne Auer Tel. 0162-2923763 (Benny) oder Tel. 0173-4305647 (Marianne)
http://home.arcor.de/muskokee/pow09.htm
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interesting .. .. looking at the pictures, where are the "ndn's" .. .. ummmm .. .. well .. .. idk
Translated version:
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original: http://home.arcor.de/muskokee/pow09.htm
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original: http://home.arcor.de/muskokee/Die%20Heimat%20im%20Herzen.pdf
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I see the photo on the website has been changed......
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Cute . . .
Thanks wolfhawaii.
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Cute pic .. lol .. did ya’ll read the new intro??? .. ..
Apparently the “regular members” are being asked to bear with them for a bit .. allegedly they had a fake Shoshoni (their spelling, not mine) as a member .. some guy named steve? .. who is steve? .. and they say that this steve was feeding me and bls incorrect information about them .. yep, named us both, tachia and bls .. .. no one has been feeding me any info, I just read the threads and did my own research .. so, huh? .. they also are telling their “regular members” that bls and me are PODIA”S .. lol .. they say that the people here in nafps are some kind of self appointed internet “police” and that nafps has us all attacking the ndn peoples of all the Nations and that whoever it is that we are supposedly attacking should not answer our questions .. there is more .. I am just re-capping .. too strange .. boy this is sure getting more and more entangled by the minute .. too many interconnections to keep up with .. .. and how did I get to be the bad guy yet again??? .. I just recently came into this whole topic of conversation about treaty house .. lol .. .ah well ..
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Zoi, Linda Lou, Liz . . .
No one "feeds" me information. I've done the research, more than you can imagine. You think I'm a PODIA . . . Guess that depends of what y'all consider distant. NAFPS, a group of PODIAS and caucasians, "attacking the peoples of the Nations" . . . How far from the truth can you get?
Your actions are the typical behavior of frauds, when they've been outed. Your verbal attacks aren't going to work with me. I'm not going to lose any sleep over what a bunch of wannabes in Europe think of me.
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After reading through the threads here, I am saddened to see so much time and energy being used to judge or demean others. I couldn’t help but think about how much positive change could be created if that same amount of time and energy was directed towards issues that seriously need our help (i.e. racism, poverty, hunger, consumerism, substance abuse, domestic violence, conservation, etc.). Just imagine the good you could do if you spent as much time doing something as you do sitting in front of the computer ranting about the imperfections of those you do not like. We are all imperfect beings, trying to learn as we walk this circle of life. I realize that by writing this, I am opening myself up to your criticism and judgment. So be it.
When each of us comes to the end of our journey, what will really matter is the amount of good we did along the way. What will others say about you when you make your final journey? Will they say you were kind to others? Will they say you didn’t take more than you needed? Will they say you always gave your best to those who needed the most? Or, will they say your time here was wasted on petty differences of principle and identity?
By nature, we are seekers of truth and knowledge. And by nature, we all have different methods of learning. Some learn through experience, some are visual learners, some learn through listening, and others through prayer or ceremony. Likewise, our teachers take many forms. Ultimately, we each have the gift of a sixth sense; the ability to discern truth from non-truth by listening to that small voice that speaks to us through our solar plexus or, our gut. More importantly, we all have the freedom of choice, to decide what we will experience and through whom. Looking back on my own life, some of the more important lessons came from the least likely places. Someone once said that “when the student is ready, the teacher will come”. I have found this to be true. Even in the darkest of places, we can learn, if we are ready.
I have also learned that whenever you place another human being on a pedestal, they will fall, and you will be filled with disappointment. None of us has all the answers. In reality, we are all students. Even those who have ‘medicine’ or, those we recognize as ‘holy’, are imperfect. Most will tell you their stories of weakness or vulnerability that lead to their understanding of living a spiritual life. Our world is a world of opposites; light and dark, good and evil, hot and cold, abundance and scarcity. Without one, we could not understand the other. In our search for knowledge, we will be exposed to many aspects of opposition and the outcome will be determined by our choices, the intent of our desire to learn, and, more importantly, what we do with what we learn.
If you do not agree with the path someone has taken, choose another path for yourself. Don’t demean yourself by publicly attacking the character of others. Those who dedicate their lives to spiritual service make sacrifices that can only be understood by others who have done the same. A spiritual life is not an easy life. Until you have the ability or the desire to make the same sacrifice, I would encourage you to continue on your journey and challenge yourself to do more good than harm. Live your life in a manner that the song they will sing for you when you are gone will be a good one. [/size]
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Hi Irc15
I see you changed the title of this to
Re: Ben Carnes, Statement from Zoi Lightfoot, etc., etc., etc.
I am a bit confused as to why you did this ? What has this thread and what you are saying got to do with Ben Carnes?
Is what you are saying here something you wanted to say in the thread on Ben Carnes but that thread was locked ?
Or are you speaking on behalf of Ben Carnes in support of Treaty House? It would be helpful to know why you posted in this thread .....
IRC15
I am saddened to see so much time and energy being used to judge or demean others
The whole idea that making judgments is bad seems to come from the New Age people who come from a cultural background where people were stoned or imprisoned or driven from their homes because of judgments. I think we all agree the use of violence and forcible surpression is bad. However as nobody here is suggesting any form of violence or unkindness towards the people we disagree with, it seems quite silly and impractical to suggest that encouraging people to think, ask questions and make informed, responsible and realistic choices, is somehow a bad thing and leads to problems .
We all make judgments every day , and the idea the world would be a better place without judgments doesn't really make sense . Making judgments is basically about making decisions, and every decision we make is based in judgments and preferences in what outcomes we hope to create. Those preferences are also based in judgments .When you go buy groceries you make judgments. When you decide not to drink and do drugs you make judgments. When you seek out people capable of giving real Spiritual leadership instead of con artists selling swamp water you make a judgment . When people provide educational information to people which helps them make informed choices this is an act of encouraging people to make informed and healthy judgments. What is important is if the information correct. If people are demeaned by correct information that is not the fault of the person providing the information.
Irc15
I couldn’t help but think about how much positive change could be created if that same amount of time and energy was directed towards issues that seriously need our help (i.e. racism, poverty, hunger, consumerism, substance abuse, domestic violence, conservation, etc.).
Well actually non native or unauthorized people who displace real indigenous peoples in the public perception does contribute to the problems you just listed above. Many of these groups of PODIAs get access to funding that is supposed to be going to real Native people and communities, and silly people playing NDN erodes public respect for real Native people .
Irc15
More importantly, we all have the freedom of choice, to decide what we will experience and through whom.
If you think freedom of choice is important, I'm surprised you would not see a problem with people potentially being tricked into supporting something they might not choose to support if they had verifiable and accurate information. When people aren't given accurate information they can be tricked out of their freedom of choice.
The main question that has been asked in this thread , is whether or not the information provided by the founders of Treaty House is accurate. The main thing that has been said here , *besides pointing out the obvious facts *, is that if people make claims to gain a position of public trust but they don't provide any way to verify these claims, the public won't be able to make informed choices / decisions / judgments as to what organizations they support.
I continue to be astounded people have such a hard time understanding something that seems so completely obvious ...
(edited to reword what is in between the two ** . It did say "which is not based in fact" and is not the clearest way to say what I meant.)
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After reading through the threads here, I am saddened to see so much time and energy being used to judge or demean others. I couldn’t help but think about how much positive change could be created if that same amount of time and energy was directed towards issues that seriously need our help (i.e. racism, poverty, hunger, consumerism, substance abuse, domestic violence, conservation, etc.). Just imagine the good you could do if you spent as much time doing something as you do sitting in front of the computer ranting about the imperfections of those you do not like. We are all imperfect beings, trying to learn as we walk this circle of life. I realize that by writing this, I am opening myself up to your criticism and judgment. So be it.
No one is judging; no one is demeaning. We've respectfully asked questions; none of which have been answered. I have been called a "harpie", a "disrespectful moron", a "twit", etc. Now, who is judging? Who is demeaning?
You have no idea what we do in our families and our communities. You have no idea what all we're involved in. You think because we belong to this forum, that's all our lives consist of? Is that a judgement?
When each of us comes to the end of our journey, what will really matter is the amount of good we did along the way. What will others say about you when you make your final journey? Will they say you were kind to others? Will they say you didn’t take more than you needed? Will they say you always gave your best to those who needed the most? Or, will they say your time here was wasted on petty differences of principle and identity?
Petty differences of principle and identity . . . Petty? Truth, honesty, integrity . . . These are some of the principles I live by. I don't find them "petty". Who a person is doesn't matter, as long as they're honest about it. What their chosen profession is doesn't matter, as long as they don't lie about it. Don't pretend to be someone or something you aren't.
By nature, we are seekers of truth and knowledge. And by nature, we all have different methods of learning. Some learn through experience, some are visual learners, some learn through listening, and others through prayer or ceremony. Likewise, our teachers take many forms. Ultimately, we each have the gift of a sixth sense; the ability to discern truth from non-truth by listening to that small voice that speaks to us through our solar plexus or, our gut. More importantly, we all have the freedom of choice, to decide what we will experience and through whom. Looking back on my own life, some of the more important lessons came from the least likely places. Someone once said that “when the student is ready, the teacher will come”. I have found this to be true. Even in the darkest of places, we can learn, if we are ready.
I have also learned that whenever you place another human being on a pedestal, they will fall, and you will be filled with disappointment. None of us has all the answers. In reality, we are all students. Even those who have ‘medicine’ or, those we recognize as ‘holy’, are imperfect. Most will tell you their stories of weakness or vulnerability that lead to their understanding of living a spiritual life. Our world is a world of opposites; light and dark, good and evil, hot and cold, abundance and scarcity. Without one, we could not understand the other. In our search for knowledge, we will be exposed to many aspects of opposition and the outcome will be determined by our choices, the intent of our desire to learn, and, more importantly, what we do with what we learn.
We all need to be able to ask questions and expect honest answers. If all we receive is lies, how will we learn?
If you do not agree with the path someone has taken, choose another path for yourself. Don’t demean yourself by publicly attacking the character of others. Those who dedicate their lives to spiritual service make sacrifices that can only be understood by others who have done the same. A spiritual life is not an easy life. Until you have the ability or the desire to make the same sacrifice, I would encourage you to continue on your journey and challenge yourself to do more good than harm. Live your life in a manner that the song they will sing for you when you are gone will be a good one. [/size] [/size]
Most of this post could apply to Zoi Lightfoot and Ben Carnes; this last paragraph is about Ben. I don't think Zoi has set herself up as a spiritual leader, not yet anyway. I only posted a couple times on the Eagle Mountain thread. I have questions, but others had already asked. Mostly I have disappointment when it comes to Ben; I expected better of him. Yes, I am one of those asking a lot of questions about Treaty House and its founders. I will continue to dig until I discover the truth. The harm that Treaty House, Zoi, Linda Lou, and Liz could potentially cause is enough reason to continue working on this. The truth will be told.
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Changing the title of this thread back to what it was originally. There may be a connection between Treaty House/Zoi Lightfoot and Eagle Mountain/Ben Carnes, but the purpose of this thread is to find the truth about Treaty House.
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Treaty House London UK was established two years ago by the ex-pat Native Community of Europe.
It was recognised there was and still is a need to have a good communications point for all Nations from Turtle Island within Europe domestically,economically and politically. It was also established that there was a real need for re-education about the Nations not as seen in the movies or on TV so therefore Treaty House London UK provide educational materials as well as a focal point for Native Issues.
Treaty House London UK are also establishing relations with Salford Council,Manchester UK in order to provide a historic Gathering of the Nations in 2009.This is to open up lines of communications on both sides of the ocean with a view to providing Educational cross exchanges and possibly to provide also a stream of revenue generating business within and for the Nations.
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I don't wish to make this Facebook site superficial, I would like this to be our start on connecting ,via the Internet, peoples from different cultures who want to learn and be freinds.And in the future make a difference to all of our communities.
This is everyones story and everyones journey, we need to connect and make communities relavent and meaningful.....
In 1887 Buffalo Bills Wild West show came to Salford for 6 months, they stayed on the site of the new BBC home in the North.
It's hard to imagine 100 native Americans living in 19th century Salford. But it happened when Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show came to town. So what did they do here? And could you be a distant relation?
To the people of Manchester and Salford in Victorian Britain, it must have seemed the Greatest Show on Earth: Buffalo Bill's Wild West and Congress of Rough Riders of the World Show (to give it its full name) was exotic, exciting and entertainment on a vast scale.
Led by the legendary American army scout Buffalo Bill, a 200-strong travelling company comprising 97 native Americans, 180 broncos and 18 buffalo set up camp on the River Irwell in November 1887.
It all started in what is now Salford Quays - two years before the canals were even built! - and was so popular the show stayed for five whole months before rolling out of town and travelling to the East Coast to take the boat back to America
They comprised of Oglala and Brule Lakota (Plains) Indians - who counted Red Cloud and Crazy Horse among their numbers.
One of Manchester's visitors was the Oglala medicine man Black Elk who spoke of his stay in a book called 'Black Elk Speaks'.
"I remember reading how Black Elk and some others got lost in Manchester and had to find their own way back home to South Dakota. Basically, the show left town without them. And it got me thinking: what were five Lakota Indians doing in Manchester on their own wandering the streets?"
I also believe that there may be people living in Salford today who can claim a distant Sioux ancestry: "It's very possible there are descendants here today, as they were here for such a long time, and they were certainly friendly with the locals!"
What I find fasinating is the tremendous and profound interest people in Salford and Manchester have in Native American /First Nation culture.The great working class clearly identified with aspects of the Lakota, oppressed and with dignity where family and community was central.
The interest is here, this time people want to proactively be involved with causes and issues.
If you have an old family story of the Sioux in Salford - or believe you may have distant Sioux ancestry: email: salfordsioux@hotmail.co.uk
Surrounded by the Enemy died in Salford in this visit and he was buried in London.
A girl was born and baptised in Salford, from Rosebud Reservation, her name was Francis Victoria Alexander.Father's name was Little Chief, the Mother's was named GoodRobe.
Zoi wrote at 3:37am on October 11th, 2008
Sorry to dissappoint Patrick,but i am Mississippi Band Anishinaabe,an "ex" pat from MN/USA,I aquired the name Lightfoot via marriage,its not an Indian name but eurpeon in origin.You cannot judge who is or is not Indian by thier facial features,its far more complex than that when you are dealing with 500,culturally distinct sovereign nations.But you raise an interesting point of western stereotyping,which our peoples along with Salford council hope to rectify in the coming years.Thank you.
Patrick wrote at 5:33am on October 10th, 2008
when i lived in salford - i knew a couple of lads; the elder was andy (would now be in his 40's), the youner was mike and their dad was called ronnie. their family name was lightfoot and if you ask me with their facial features they could have passed as amerindians - they lived down duchy... may you know all this already...
Mike wrote at 2:37pm on September 25th, 2008
Is anybody going down to Salford Arts Theatre on Friday, 26th September, to see films and videos about the Salford Sioux?
I think it starts around 6pm.
(The Theatre is the old Phoenix Theatre, next to Fit City, the recreation centre on Liverpool Street in Langworthy.)
Linda wrote at 7:37am on September 23rd, 2008
I agree 100% with Zoi on her points made below.
Just to make it clear to those who dont know.
Treaty House London UK are in the middle of discussions with Salford Council to organise a Historic Gathering in 2009. THis will not only restore Historical relations between Salford and the Nations but it will also open up avenues of talk for future ventures like educational exchanges and possibly business to generate revenue streams for the Nations.
The last thing we want to achieve is to go back in time.
Should you wish to contact myself also you are welcome to do so to find out further information.
Linda Lou Flewin
Director, Treaty House London UK.
Zoi wrote at 5:41am on September 20th, 2008
Richard,it is our intention to introduce our Grand Chiefs,Chiefs and elders,not to mention our tradtional customs,dances and diverse cultures to the good peoples of Salford in a 21st century context,We are not doing a remake of Buffallo Bills travelling bail bond circus.You will know as well as I that our peoples were told to "go in Bills custody or hang"the good people of Salford do not.This is about our nations representing themselves in the here and now and re affirming the connection between Salford and our Nations that already exists.If you wish to be part of that you are welcome to send me the details of your group via pm and we will discuss the matter with Salford in regard to next year.
Richard wrote at 7:58am on September 8th, 2008
The "Group"
Aboriginal Talent - First Nations, Metis Nation, Inuit
was formed to identify aboriginal talent to create a new Wild West Show, which could very well end up in Salford.
http://www.facebook.com/wall.php?id=24205813373
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From the Salford Sioux page on Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/wall.php?id=24205813373
Linda wrote at 7:37am on September 23rd, 2008
I agree 100% with Zoi on her points made below.
Just to make it clear to those who dont know.
Treaty House London UK are in the middle of discussions with Salford Council to organise a Historic Gathering in 2009. THis will not only restore Historical relations between Salford and the Nations but it will also open up avenues of talk for future ventures like educational exchanges and possibly business to generate revenue streams for the Nations.
The last thing we want to achieve is to go back in time.
Should you wish to contact myself also you are welcome to do so to find out further information.
Linda Lou Flewin
Director, Treaty House London UK.
I'm amazed at the audacity of Linda Lou Flewin. How does she justify posting out-right lies like this on a public Facebook? The other members of this page are lead to believe that Treaty House is a Native American embassy with ties to Nations back in the United States and Canada.
This Historic Gathering . . . "will not only restore Historical relations between Salford and the Nations but it will also open up avenues of talk for future ventures like educational exchanges and possibly business to generate revenue streams for the Nations."
Salford is known for hosting Buffalo Bill's Wild West show for 6 months in 1887. I'm sure this was a memorable time for the Lakota and Dakota. I'm sure they loved being away from their homes and their families. I wonder how many of their descendants would want to see this gathering take place or restore relations with Salford.
" . . . and possibly business to generate revenue streams for the Nations." Which Nations are involved in this? Who is going to benefit from any business ventures? Since no Nation has expressed their support of Treaty House or any of its founders, it really makes me wonder who will benefit from these business ventures.
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Speaking of business ventures, I found this interesting. It's Linda Lou's webpage for a work from home, get rich quick deal.
The HomeBizIncome.com
http://www.thehomebizincome.com/
The page is super protected; you can't copy anything. Believe me, I tried.
There's a picture of Linda Lou having lunch in The Algarve. I guess it's a fancy restaurant; looks like a patio.
Part of Linda's bio reads:
If Columbus hadn't envisioned a far-away world. he never would have set sail. Yes, there were rough seas at times. Lots of people thought he was taking a big risk. But he kept his mind on his goal and kept sailing. Columbus surprised himself. Instead of finding a shorter route to the spices of the far east, he discovered a land that was rich beyond anyone's expectations - America!
I think everyone needs a vision about what they would like their life to look like. Do you want to drive a junker forever? Live in a tiny apartment? Work themselves to exhaustion for someone who shows their appreciation with a $10 turkey at Thanksgiving?
Columbus . . . that's someone I admire and respect. Because of his vision, "he discovered a land that was rich beyond anyone's expectations - America!" There's many who wish his vision hadn't been so good or that the earth had been flat and he'd sailed over the edge. How could anyone claiming to be a Mi'kmaq Scoop Kid admire Columbus?
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Bonnie thanks for all you have done to research this .
At this point I am so mind boggled I am having a hard time thinking what to say ... Except none of it makes any sense no matter which way I look at it ...
When I first began questioning the people associated with Treaty House my main concern was that the claims being made didn't seem to fit with the evidence , and if NAFPS gets to be composed of regular posters making false claims about themselves , those types of people are only going to undermine the credibility of the information that is provided here, and that kind of hypocrisy will do nothing but create more confusion and bad feelings.
But the more people dig the weirder this whole thing becomes and the less any of this makes sense.
If Linda Lou's Mom was Mi'kmaq and Linda is one of the children that was stolen , why were all of Linda's gr gr grandparents on her Mom's side consistently recorded as being of English decsent ?
If Linda is intentionally trying to deceive people , why would she put all this genealogical information on line which shows her Mom was NOT Mi'kmaq?
If Linda just didn't know who her birth family was and circumstantial evidence led her to honestly beieve her Mom was Mi'kmaq , I can see where it could be really difficult to accept that her Mom was entirely of English descent , especially if she formed a relationship with the Mi'kmaq community before she traced her Moms family background. But if that is her situation , why put herself in an even more vulnerable situation by deciding to declare herself the Director of a consular facility - with no apparent qualifications except her own fragile claim to an identity as a Mi'kmaq person?
And why post these claims she must have known aren't true , on a message board dedicated to exposing misinformtion and people making false claims ?
Why post this Statement from Zoi Lightfoot responding to people alleging the Gathering they were planning did not exist , when the so called confirmed performers for that gathering say they never heard of this gathering ,and apparently , this gathering really " did not exist" as was the original accusation which started this thread ...?
Seems like hanging a sign on themselves saying "kick me" would be less work to achieve the same predicatable outcome ...
If Zoi really is a lawyer who works in the international community on strengthening recognition and respect for the rights of indigenous people , why would she jeprodize this important work by supporting the claims of people who appear to be misrepresenting themselves to the public ?
If Zoi just honestly has a different opinion about what should be considered a legimate right of people who believe they are of Native descent , why hasn't she ever tried to address what she sees as the fundamental issues , such as the right of PODIAs to claim a political or cultural identity ?
And if this is an honest difference in how these people see things , why do they seemingly go out of their way to humiliate and find fault with other people for doing what looks like more or less the same thing people they support are doing ?
If Zoi really cares about educating the public about avoiding frauds, and Zoi is legit and it's OK for people who are legit to be way way way too important to provided a way to verify their claims, how exactly is the public supposed to know who is a fraud or an exploiter , so they can avoid supporting these people?
Are people supposed to turn to someone like Francis Billington for a psychic reading to get this information?
And then ...
Why does Kari Ann seem to be supporting Zoi's outraged complaints that she is way way way too important to answer any questions she has created about herself? Why did Kari Ann even give the impression the LP DOC supports Treaty House through Kari Ann's comment suggesting people asking questions about Treaty House was trying to sabatog Zoi's work?
If kari Ann honestly felt she needed to support Zoi as a cousin who had contributed a lot to the LPDC , why not make it clear this is what she was supporting and take the opprotunity to say that the LP DOC is not able to support a whole other organization such as Treaty House claiming to be a consular facility ?
And if Zoi Lightfoot was who she says she is, it seems it would be very easy for her to provide a way to verify that she does indeed work on behalf of native peoples , as a lawyer based in the UN .... So why set up a situation by joining NAFPS , repeatedly making claims about her important work , which anyone could predict would result in questions being asked , and then respond by doing nothing to reslove the concerns except rudely accusing the people asking of trying to sabatoge her work ?
If these people are just nutty, why would Kari Ann who is said to be very very busy, seemingly drop everything to make replying to Zoi's irrate email her #1 priority ?
If Kari Ann and Ben Carnes are really as concerned with the public image of the LP DOC as they claim , it's hard to see how allowing the LP DOC to be associated with verbally abusive people who don't appear to be who they say they are, is going to help.
None of it makes any sense to me ....
Linda Lou pointing to Columbus as an inspirational role model and identifying herself as an enterprenuer who wants to help educate the international community about the indigenous point of view is just the icing on a very nutty cake.
Maybe I just have to get past expecting things to make sense ....
I keep hoping that someone like Ben Carnes who is supposed to be a spokes person for the LP DOC will come along and explain.
I still haven't recieved any reply to the question in the email quoted in Reply #73 on: February 19, which was sent to both the LP DOC and to Ben Carnes wife who is a NAFPS member. Having what seems to me to be a reasonable request for clarification ignored , seems exceedingly inconsiderate and irresponsible.
Do these people really intend to support this organization? If so why?
My mind feels like one of those hamsters running on a little wheel that never goes anywhere except back to the beginning which is... it just doesn't make sense ...
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New site; doesn't seem to be much to it except this "welcome" page.
http://www.treatyhouse.org/
Treaty House
Welcome
Firstly and most importantly, Sanda, Linda and myself would like to formally welcome all of you to this site. Huge welcome to Els and the IPF/Kola. Good to see you. And a special hello and greetings to Tsissy and the folks from Native American Unity.
We have a busy year ahead of us, so we would be grateful to all if we occasionally remind ourselves this is a working site, if something bothers you about someone, please try to refrain from personally focused comments and accusations unless you have facts and evidences to back them up, this way we all get along and are able to move forward with our respective works.
If you wish to get actively envolved we have plenty of work to keep more than a few occupied, regardless of your abilities, knowledge or skills, we can match you with active groups in your area who will help you find your feet if you have never done campaign work before.
We look forward to seeing all the Peltier supporters in London on June 26th and discussing ways they can assist and back up the work Kola and the IPF are doing for Leonard Peltier at this time.
Once again, Welcome everyone.
Zoi Lightfoot
Aims
Treaty House is to be a Native American cultural and political centre in London, run by First American Nations in collaboration with committed supporters, providing a focal point for thousands of ex-pats living in Europe. With full support and blessings from the Nations, Treaty House is also to be a point of contact and information, a cultural bridge for the host community, disseminating information from source, challenging stereotypes through a variety of events, publications and the space itself, aimed at promoting a realistic image of Native American Nations today into the mainstream. With this aim, we are organising the first annual International Intertribal Gathering for 2009.
First Nations Gathering
The First Nations Gathering, the largest International Intertribal Gathering ever to be held in Europe, will be from 10 – 16 May 2009. It is an annual showcase event featuring Native American Film, Art and Music together with educational talks, films, documentaries and workshops to raise awareness in general and to focus on current thinking.
See also http://www.myspace.com/treatyhouse
Email : info@treatyhouse.org
Treaty House UK, 271 The Westway, London, W12 7AW. +44.7801482772
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There hasn't been much activity on the Treaty House Myspace. The last time Zoi (or whoever administers the space) was logged on was 1/14/09. The last time anyone left a comment was 1/9/09, until today. Zoi left a comment on Treaty House; thought I'd share with y'all.
zoi
Mar 22 2009 7:15 AM
BONNIE LOUSIE SINGLETON,BLS,please be aware,you have violated internet protocols by publishing a "private"contact address for Treaty House.Your trolling of sites,misinformation and cut and paste BS is not clever or acceptable.And you have to ask yourself "how much do we know about you and claims you make?"
This isn't a new site child,go play elsewhere.
http://www.myspace.com/treatyhouse
Not sure if this is a threat or what. It's not working, no matter what it is.
Bullying and threats do not work for me.
The site in question is public, so any information posted there cannot be considered "private". Google Treaty House . . . It's the fourth listing. If you didn't want your address and phone number posted elsewhere, you shouldn't have put it on a public page.
As I've said earlier . . . This is the typical behavior of a fraud when they've been outed.
How much do we know about me? I'm pretty much an open book. I don't have anything to hide; I haven't created a false identity for myself.
BONNIE LOUSIE SINGLETON . . . How many times do I need to tell y'all my middle name? Damn. Y'all just can't seem to get it right.
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First Nations Gathering
The First Nations Gathering, the largest International Intertribal Gathering ever to be held in Europe, will be from 10 – 16 May 2009. It is an annual showcase event featuring Native American Film, Art and Music together with educational talks, films, documentaries and workshops to raise awareness in general and to focus on current thinking.
http://www.treatyhouse.org/
This Gathering is scheduled to take place May 10 - 16, 2009 . . . less than 7 weeks away. As of this past weekend, there was no advertising for the event in Salford. Even the Salford Council, which is supposed to be working with Treaty House, doesn't have anything about the Gathering on their site.
Salford City Council
http://www.salford.gov.uk/leisure/museums/exhibs-and-events.htm
Makes a person wonder if the Gathering this year will be another non-event, just like the one scheduled for 2008 was. And they call this "an annual showcase event"?
Edit to add: Yeah, I guess the hype has become an annual showcase.
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In February, I wrote the following e-mail to Bill Means, with a cc to Andrea and the IITC:
Zoi Lightfoot and Treaty House
Bill,
I know that Andrea Carmen forwarded my e-mail to IITC several weeks ago. I would like to hear your thoughts on both Zoi Lightfoot and Treaty House.
In July no one knew who Zoi Lightfoot was; not Leonard, Betty, Kari Ann, David Hill, Ben Carnes, Tamra Brennan. Some had heard her name, but no one really knew who she was. She has been a long-time Peltier supporter in Europe, but no one had met her. No one I talked to really knew her or claimed her as family. Now Kari Ann says that Zoi is Leonard's cousin. Wish I knew why the story changed between July and February.
More important than the question of Lightfoot's identity is whether any of the Nations, AIM, or LPDOC supports Treaty House in London, England. I can find no Nation that supports this organization. The Anishnabe have not named her to be their representative in Europe. The same is true for Linda Lou Flewin, who claims to be the Mikmaq representative. They have given themselves fancy titles and have people in Europe believing they are legitimate diplomats from their respective Nations. They also use Leonard Peltier, LPDOC, and AIM as references. Do these women and their organization have the authority to speak for LPDOC, AIM, and the People?
I look forward to hearing from you in the near future. This situation has gone from bad to worse.
Thank you,
Bonnie Singleton
Bill's reply:
Re: Zoi Lightfoot and Treaty House
Ms Bonnie,
Ms Zoi Lightfoot and others have no authority to represent AIM or the International Indian Treaty Council. There is a family named Lightfoot here in Minneapolis and they are Ojibway from Michigan. This real family of Lightfoot here in Mpls. has sent an email indicating they do not know or have knowledge of Zoi Lightfoot. So that's it, Zoi Lightfoot is no representative of AIM or any other Indian organization that I know of!
Toksha, Bill
Andrea's reply:
RE: Zoi Lightfoot and Treaty House
Hi Bonnie,
Unfortunately, I am unable to help you any more with this situation, as I do not know Zoi Lightfoot or the Treaty House project, and I have no information on her/it, either pro or con. This does not reflect on either their legitimacy or lack thereof, just that I personally had never heard of them until you raised the questions via your email.
I forwarded your questions to folks I know from that region, but I can’t do any more than that. I can not speak for Leonard or the LPDC re your question about that relationship.
Best regards,
Jackie: I do not have David Hill’s email, can you please forward this note to him as the current director of the LPDC, thanks
Andrea Carmen
Executive Director,
International Indian Treaty Council
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Y'all are probably wondering why I sat on those e-mails for a month.
I was hoping that someone from LPDOC, Ben or Kari Ann, would step forward and make a statement. Does LPDOC support Treaty House and Zoi Lightfoot? She may be a cousin, but do they support what she is doing? Guess I was hoping they'd distance themselves from this mess. You can't pick your relatives, but you sure can pick your allies.
I was hoping to hear something more from Ben than: "From what we have been told by Leonard’s niece, Kari Ann, Zoi is Leonard cousin, and is a part of the support group network. As to Treaty House, I don’t have a clue as to any of it." and "We have set out guidelines about how people can support Peltier, and it doesn’t make any difference if they are gay, black or white, democrat or republican, male or female, if they support Leonard, that is all that matters."
I was hoping I'd hear something more from Kari Ann, besides that Zoi is their "cousin". A cousin that no one had heard of in July; one that they're willing to hang their reputation on now. Was hoping to hear some kind of explanation.
In all honesty, I was hoping someone with the LPDOC would wake up and smell the coffee and realize what was going on here. I was trying to give them a chance to distance themselves from this fiasco. They had a month and didn't take the initiative.
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Y'all are probably wondering why I sat on those e-mails for a month.
I was hoping that someone from LPDOC, Ben or Kari Ann, would step forward and make a statement. Does LPDOC support Treaty House and Zoi Lightfoot? She may be a cousin, but do they support what she is doing? Guess I was hoping they'd distance themselves from this mess. You can't pick your relatives, but you sure can pick your allies.
I was hoping to hear something more from Ben than: "From what we have been told by Leonard’s niece, Kari Ann, Zoi is Leonard cousin, and is a part of the support group network. As to Treaty House, I don’t have a clue as to any of it." and "We have set out guidelines about how people can support Peltier, and it doesn’t make any difference if they are gay, black or white, democrat or republican, male or female, if they support Leonard, that is all that matters."
I was hoping I'd hear something more from Kari Ann, besides that Zoi is their "cousin". A cousin that no one had heard of in July; one that they're willing to hang their reputation on now. Was hoping to hear some kind of explanation.
In all honesty, I was hoping someone with the LPDOC would wake up and smell the coffee and realize what was going on here. I was trying to give them a chance to distance themselves from this fiasco. They had a month and didn't take the initiative.
it is all a huge tangled up together mess .. i guess they made the coffee they woke up to .. if so, why then would they bother to distance themselves from something of their own making .. .. you question them, they ignore you .. you question them, they send nasty grams .. you question them, they threaten you .. .. idk, but i would say that something is seriously wrong with that coffee .. .. ..
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I agree. It makes you wonder just what is really going on, not just with Treaty House but with LPDOC as well. Why would they support a wannabe organization like Treaty House and a pretendian like Zoi? What do they have to gain from supporting a fake embassy? I realize politics can make for some strange bedfellows, but .....
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Treaty House
http://www.treatyhouse.org/
First Nations Gathering
The First Nations Gathering, the largest International Intertribal Gathering ever to be held in Europe, will be from 10 – 16 May 2009. It is an annual showcase event featuring Native American Film, Art and Music together with educational talks, films, documentaries and workshops to raise awareness in general and to focus on current thinking.
See also http://www.myspace.com/treatyhouse
TreatyHouse · TreatyHouse London UK
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TreatyHouse/
Treaty House London UK are also establishing relations with Salford Council,Manchester UK in order to provide a historic Gathering of the Nations in 2009.This is to open up lines of communications on both sides of the ocean with a view to providing Educational cross exchanges and possibly to provide also a stream of revenue generating business within and for the Nations.
Facebook
Salford Sioux
http://www.facebook.com/wall.php?id=24205813373
Zoi wrote at 5:41am on September 20th, 2008
Richard,it is our intention to introduce our Grand Chiefs,Chiefs and elders,not to mention our tradtional customs,dances and diverse cultures to the good peoples of Salford in a 21st century context,We are not doing a remake of Buffallo Bills travelling bail bond circus.You will know as well as I that our peoples were told to "go in Bills custody or hang"the good people of Salford do not.This is about our nations representing themselves in the here and now and re affirming the connection between Salford and our Nations that already exists.If you wish to be part of that you are welcome to send me the details of your group via pm and we will discuss the matter with Salford in regard to next year.
Linda wrote at 7:37am on September 23rd, 2008
I agree 100% with Zoi on her points made below.
Just to make it clear to those who dont know.
Treaty House London UK are in the middle of discussions with Salford Council to organise a Historic Gathering in 2009. THis will not only restore Historical relations between Salford and the Nations but it will also open up avenues of talk for future ventures like educational exchanges and possibly business to generate revenue streams for the Nations.
The last thing we want to achieve is to go back in time.
Should you wish to contact myself also you are welcome to do so to find out further information.
Linda Lou Flewin
Director, Treaty House London UK.
E-mail to the city of Salford:
I've heard that there will be a Gathering of First Nations in Salford, U.K. in May 2009. Below is one of the notices I've read about this event:
First Nations Gathering
The First Nations Gathering, the largest International Intertribal Gathering ever to be held in Europe, will be from 10 – 16 May 2009. It is an annual showcase event featuring Native American Film, Art and Music together with educational talks, films, documentaries and workshops to raise awareness in general and to focus on current thinking.
Please send me any information you have on this event.
Thank you.
Bonnie Singleton
and their reply:
RE: Gathering of First Nations?
Thanks for your email Bonnie. I've looked on www.visitsalford.info for you, but there doesn't seem to be anything on there at the moment.
I've forwarded your query to our tourism marketing officer who may be able to shed some light on it.
Kind regards,
Liz
Liz Carridge
Senior Public Relations Officer
Marketing & Communications
Salford City Council
Unity House, Chorley Road, Swinton, Salford M27 5FJ
E: liz.carridge@salford.gov.uk
W: www.salford.gov.uk
T: 0161 793 2913
M: 07717 731 061
Find out more about our amazing city: www.visitsalford.info is the place to go for ideas, information and inspiration.
If the Senior Public Relations Officer for the Salford City Council doesn't know anything about a Gathering that's supposed to be taking place in six weeks, you really need to question the validity of the claims made by Treaty House, Zoi Lightfoot, and Linda Lou Flewin. Zoi and Linda Lou have both stated that they are 'in talks' with the Salford Council, yet a member of that council knows nothing about it.
Treaty House Yahoo Group:
"Treaty House London UK are also establishing relations with Salford Council, Manchester UK in order to provide a historic Gathering of the Nations in 2009."
Zoi on Facebook:
"Richard, it is our intention to introduce our Grand Chiefs,Chiefs and elders,not to mention our tradtional customs,dances and diverse cultures to the good peoples of Salford in a 21st century context" and "If you wish to be part of that you are welcome to send me the details of your group via pm and we will discuss the matter with Salford in regard to next year."
Linda Lou on Facebook:
"Treaty House London UK are in the middle of discussions with Salford Council to organise a Historic Gathering in 2009."
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Zoi wrote at 3:37am on October 11th, 2008
Sorry to dissappoint Patrick,but i am Mississippi Band Anishinaabe,an "ex" pat from MN/USA,I aquired the name Lightfoot via marriage,its not an Indian name but eurpeon in origin.You cannot judge who is or is not Indian by thier facial features,its far more complex than that when you are dealing with 500,culturally distinct sovereign nations.But you raise an interesting point of western stereotyping,which our peoples along with Salford council hope to rectify in the coming years.Thank you.
http://www.facebook.com/wall.php?id=24205813373
Bet this would come as quite a surprise to many Lightfoots among the Ojibwe.
I know several who got a chuckle out of this statement.
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I don't know much about the international laws governing real embassies and real consular facilities, but I did find this...
It sounds like their is a legal frame work a real embassy / consular facility is required to fit within and verifiable authorization is required.
http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_2_1963.pdf
Article 10
Appointment and admission of heads of consular posts
1.Heads of consular posts are appointed by the sending State and are admitted to the exercise of their functions by the receiving State.
2.Subject to the provisions of the present Convention, the formalities for the appointment and for the admission of the head of a consular post are determined by the laws, regulations and usages of the sending State and of the receiving State respectively.
Article 11
The consular commission or notification of appointment
1.The head of a consular post shall be provided by the sending State with a document, in the form of a commission or similar instrument, made out for each appointment, certifying his capacity and showing, as a general rule, his full name, his category and class, the consular district and the seat of the consular post.
2.The sending State shall transmit the commission or similar instrument through the diplomatic or other appropriate channel to the Government of the State in whose territory the head of a consular post is to exercise his functions.
3. If the receiving State agrees, the sending State may, instead of a commission or similar
instrument, send to the receiving State a notification containing the particulars required by paragraph 1 of this article.
Article 12
The exequatur
1.The head of a consular post is admitted to the exercise of his functions by an authorization from the receiving State termed an exequatur, whatever the form of this authorization.
2.A State which refused to grant an exequatur is not obliged to give to the sending State reasons for such refusal.
3.Subject to the provisions of articles 13 and 15, the head of a consular post shall not enter upon his duties until he has received an exequatur.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Exequatur
Ex`e`qua´tur
n. 1. A written official recognition of a consul or commercial agent, issued by the government to which he is accredited, and authorizing him to exercise his powers in the place to which he is assigned.
2. Official recognition or permission.
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It sounds like anyone associated with Treaty House, in a formal capacity, would need to have written authorization from the Nation they are representing (Canada, Mi'kmaq, Anishnabe, etc) and written permission from England to operate as an embassy or consular facility and call themselves Director of Legal Affairs, Consular Director for Canadian Affairs, or Representative. I wonder if Zoi Lightfoot and Linda Lou Flewin have their exequatur?
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I've spoken by phone to the Enrollment Officers at three Ojibwe Reservations.
3/16 Red Lake
Zoi/Zoe Lightfoot is not enrolled. They have no Lightfoots and no Mississippi Band.
3/26 White Earth
Zoi/Zoe Lightfoot is not enrolled. They have Lightfoots, but not Zoi.
3/31 Leech Lake
Zoi/Zoe Lightfoot is not enrolled. Their only Lightfoot is 13.
They all thought Zoi's statement that 'Lightfoot' was not an Indian name, but was actually an English name, was pretty funny.
I had planned to call the remaining reservations, but decided against it. I'm sure the result would be the same for the others. Zoi Lightfoot is not an enrolled member of any Ojibwe Tribe, neither is she recognized by any Nation.
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First,you need my family name,which you have not got,second as you think Lightfoot being europeon is funny i suggest you contact Burkes peerage and tell them thier extensive research on ancient heraldic families in europe is incorrect and third i will get back to you when my family finish dealing with the loss of one of its close members.
You can start however by naming who exactly told you i was an Aimster or claimed to be.
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First,you need my family name,which you have not got,
I stated that Lightfoot was your married name and that I did not have your maiden name. All three said that it didn't matter; your name would have been updated when you got married.
second as you think Lightfoot being europeon is funny i suggest you contact Burkes peerage and tell them thier extensive research on ancient heraldic families in europe is incorrect
No one is saying that Lightfoot is a traditional Ojibwe name. However, there are many Native Americans with that name. So many, in fact, that it is no longer considered a European name, at least not by the enrolled Ojibwe that I spoke with last month. They were the ones who thought your statement was funny.
and third i will get back to you when my family finish dealing with the loss of one of its close members.
If this is true, you have my condolences. I really don't think it is the truth though. You have not posted here since February 27th; you have not logged in since April 4th. Why would you choose today, while you're grieving, to post? Think this is the sympathy card; frauds have a tendency to play it when they've been backed into a corner. We saw Tsisqua claim that her cousin was murdered while protecting a burial site, have a heart condition and need a transplant, that her children had been threatened; and finally after she'd been outed, she was pregnant. I'm not buying it.
You can start however by naming who exactly told you i was an Aimster or claimed to be.
No problem; I'll just quote you.
That would be every documented Leonard Peltier Support Group more commonly refered to as SGs, or in his case LPSGs throughout Indian territory,Inclusive of the AIM documented Aim SGs,located throughout europe.Founded and authorized by the late Vernon Bellacourt.Sadly for Mr Mc Cullough,they were already well aware of him,most of them accociate directly with some members of the Cross family on Pine Ridge,due to the established works of the Peltier foundation.But they were not aware of the fact he was in the Netherlands or Belgium.I certainly made no reference to myself in relation to Aim Or Aimsters.But i would be a blatent liar if i said there was no connection.However being an Aimster is not something I claimed or would claim.With respect,your not slow,you just read what you wanted to 'Think' I said.
Guess this could be interpreted a couple different ways. Are you saying that you didn't refer to yourself in relation to AIM, but if you said there was no connection between you and AIM it'd be a lie? (i.e. you didn't say it, but there is a connection) You didn't claim to be an Aimster and never would. (i.e. it's not something you'd use to gain attention or brag about). Whether you actually claim to be a member of AIM in this post is debatable. However, you clearly state that there is a connection between yourself and AIM. I might add, a connection that Bill Means denies.
Then there's references to Zoi Lightfoot being LP's cousin and knowing if someone was an AIM member in this thread from back in 2005 . . .
Sonne Reyna
http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=362.0
What's the matter Zoi? You forget all the lies you've told? Having trouble keeping your stories straight?
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As i told you before have YOUR lawyer contact me most certainly now you claim i am a liar in public,I don't need a lawyer i can represent myself
As for the death well that would be my mom in law you realy do have a chip on your shoulder huh?You yourself claim to be Cherokee,non enrolled yes but a claim you've made on the web non the less,your nieghbours ALL state you are white,and the only indian in your background we can find is some family "legend".As is clearly stated I did NOT say I was AIM,nor have i,yet you have made that claim i did when running off at the mouth everywhere,now i suggest you let your lawyer take over.
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As i told you before have YOUR lawyer contact me most certainly now you claim i am a liar in public,I don't need a lawyer i can represent myself
As for the death well that would be my mom in law you realy do have a chip on your shoulder huh?You yourself claim to be Cherokee,non enrolled yes but a claim you've made on the web non the less,your nieghbours ALL state you are white,and the only indian in your background we can find is some family "legend".As is clearly stated I did NOT say I was AIM,nor have i,yet you have made that claim i did when running off at the mouth everywhere,now i suggest you let your lawyer take over.
For someone who claims to be an attorney, you really don't know much about legal procedures. Message boards and forums are not the way to do this. Even Matty Yellowboy, one of Tsisqua's sock puppets, knew enough to e-mail me his threats of lawsuit. If you want to say something to me of a legal nature, you need to contact me by certified mail. If it amounts to anything, I'll make an appointment to see my lawyer and we'll go from there. What you're doing here is pounding your chest, thinking you'll scare me quiet. Not working.
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I hadn't checked the Salford Sioux Facebook in a while and decided to do that this evening. Since their Gathering is scheduled to start in a couple days, I thought there might be some updates. Nothing new about the Gathering.
However, someone is trying to get the truth out to the people of Salford about Zoi, Linda Lou, and Treaty House. I don't know who Michelle is, but I'd like to tell her "Thank you!"
Zoi and Linda Lou continue to grasp at straws, twist facts, and out-right lie. Sadly, they're just as rude and obnoxious on the Salford Sioux Facebook as they are on NAFPS.
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Michelle wrote at 4:00am on April 10th, 2009
Seems that Zoi Lightfoot and the Treaty House people, who claim to be in talks with Salford about a native american gathering, are not for real. They are down on a fraud site.
http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1390.0
Also the performers, they claim to have confimed, know nothing about it
Zoi wrote at 5:32am on May 5th, 2009
Unfortunately Michelle,BLS should have checked with the counsellors themselves before calling me a frauds,that site has its own problems with folks taking legal action against misrepresentation and slander etc.and sadly i am very real.
Linda wrote at 9:44am on May 5th, 2009
And I am afraid having done further investigations on "Michelle" who also goes under various other alias's such as Moma Porcupine who is also Trisha Rose Jacobs is a member of that site who like to proprogate slanderous materials without giving the whole truth.The site is indeed under legal investigation by parties other than Treaty House.
Would you care to join me as a "friend" Michelle aka Moma Porkupine aka Trisha Rose Jacobs(who incidently is a white woman living in Belgium because she was forced to leave the US UNDER THREATS FOR DOING THE VERY SAME THING BEFORE TO NATIVE PEOPLES) on my FB and tell my people I am a fraud as well?????? I would love to see their reaction.In fact I will send you an invite so you can do it face to face!
This site "Michelle" so highly recommends banned me because I dared to speak the truth about the owners and moderators(all non native) of the site,they have banned many native people for daring to speak the truth.
Heather wrote at 5:20pm on May 5th, 2009
Well..I went and read the complete link Michelle posted... mind you I didnt see her name there anywhere...hmmm
Those who need to attack and Elder of our community(and I live in Canada) and Zoi is my Elder and I RESPECT HER very much!!! only white people would disrespect an Elder in this way.. this is not the way of our people!!!!! Zoi .. you do not need to prove your blood to these people who fish because they WANT TO BE!!.. who you are is who you are and all in good time that will be shown .. right now is not that time... as
an Ojibwe Elder once told me :
A WISE MAN SPEAKS BECAUSE HE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY..
A FOOL SPEAKS BECAUSE HE HAS TO SAY SOMETHING ...
so let the wannabes be who they are... it will all come out in the wash...;)
Zoi wrote at 3:01am on May 6th, 2009
Thanks you too,well i fully admit to being "older" than you Heather lol,but what is interesting is why did this anon person not contact the duley elected Salford City Council members themselves,most certainly the admin of this site?.Why is is not pointed out that a statement relating to another matter totally seperate and distinct from Salford and any discussions we have held with the City Council representatives,is being used to spread gossip and inuendo tantermount to slander and liable?Why did "Michelle" not point out her friends have been rather ignorant to the good peoples we met in this amazing city?Half truths are still lies Michelle,so knock it off.
Linda wrote at 7:38am on May 6th, 2009
I will add to that..why did this anon "Michelle" not post the fact that she had contacted the wrong person at Salford Council who later admitted that Salford Council had indeed been in contact for several months with Zoi and myself with regards to a Gathering????? We have the paperwork to prove this.
Now what "Michelle"....you still havent accepted my friends invite,hmmmm????.Shall I post it on NAPFS?...it can easily be done even tho you guys banned me,I am not hiding anything,,what are you hiding although you dont need to answer that question because I already know what the answer is!!!!!
I agree with Zoi in that this "Michelle" has behaved in a disrespectful and despicable way to the respecful citizens of Salford who showed us much kindness when we visited their wonderful city and I feel an apology should be forthcoming from this anon "michelle".
Heather wrote at 10:14pm on May 6th, 2009
I did not except the government of Canadas apology...an i will not except one from this "michelle" either...so go stick it up yur asre sweet cheeks aka michelle
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Who said any thing about Salford gathering being in May? or are you referring to a totally unrelated speech delivered by me to the persons concerned which appears at the begining of this thread,have you Bonnie/Michelle,asked the admin of that site "WHO" they are?nope,have you contacted ANY duley elected Salford city council representative?nope.Why don't you contact the Home secretary of the Home office UK as it is her duley elected constituency.Ask her to ask her home council if i am lying about this.We have the paperwork on this which i will be happy to produce in court if you wanna try your luck.we are done now go save the bees its more worthwhile an effort on your part
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I received another e-mail from Salford City Council. This one was unsolicited; it was not in response to a second e-mail from me.
Bonnie,
Further to your email, I have established that there is no event (with council involvement) planned for this year, though I understand that there are discussions around future events.
Where was the information you forwarded to me posted?
Many thanks,
Liz
Liz Carridge
Senior Public Relations Officer
Marketing & Communications
Salford City Council
Unity House, Chorley Road, Swinton, Salford M27 5FJ
E: liz.carridge@salford.gov.uk
W: www.salford.gov.uk
T: 0161 793 2913
M: 07717 731 061
Find out more about our amazing city: www.visitsalford.info is the place to go for ideas, information and inspiration.
Edit to add: I had originally written to Salford City Council in March and had received a reply the following day. [pg 9] The above e-mail was received in April. I thought I'd posted it, but I guess not. I hadn't replied to it yet, cause I wasn't sure what all I should say. After reading the new posts on the Salford Sioux Facebook, I decided it was time to reply. Have written to Liz Carridge this morning.
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Liz,
Thank you for looking into this for me. The announcement about the Gathering of First Nations has been posted several places over the past few years. It was first planned for May 2008; when that didn't happen it was changed to May 2009.
Indigenous People May 10 - 16, 2008
http://www.indigenouspeople.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=45
Treaty House May 10 - 16, 2009
http://www.treatyhouse.org/
These do not state that the Gathering will take place in Salford, only that it will be "the largest International Intertribal Gathering ever to be held in Europe". The Gathering didn't take place last year, but there was never any explanation as to why not. I contacted several of the entertainers who had been listed as confirmed for the 2008 event, and they had not heard anything about it. In their postings about the May 10 - 16, 2009 Gathering, they haven't listed any of the entertainers.
Zoi Lightfoot stated on the Treaty House Yahoo group that they are "establishing relations with Salford Council".
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TreatyHouse/
"Treaty House London UK are also establishing relations with Salford Council,Manchester UK in order to provide a historic Gathering of the Nations in 2009.This is to open up lines of communications on both sides of the ocean with a view to providing Educational cross exchanges and possibly to provide also a stream of revenue generating business within and for the Nations."
Both Zoi Lightfoot and Linda Lou Flewin have talked about this Gathering on the Salford Sioux Facebook.
http://www.facebook.com/wall.php?id=24205813373
Before Salford enters into any serious negotiations with Treaty House, Zoi Lightfoot, or Linda Lou Flewin, please find out who you are really dealing with. I'm a member of an online group who investigates and exposes cases of fraud, misappropriation of American Indian identity and spirituality, and other things that harm the well-being of Indian Country. Treaty House and its members have been under investigation for almost a year. Please read the thread at NAFPS:
Statement from Zoi Lightfoot - Director of Legal Affairs Treaty House UK
http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1390.0
While this thread started out about something entirely different, the claims made in the opening few pages were enough to start an investigation. Zoi Lightfoot has refused to answer all serious questions about who she is or what Nations support Treaty House. After speaking with many people, I've come to the conclusion that Treaty House is a fake embassy. Please read the thread and decide for yourself.
Please stay in touch.
Bonnie
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Linda wrote at 9:44am on May 5th, 2009
And I am afraid having done further investigations on "Michelle" who also goes under various other alias's such as Moma Porcupine who is also Trisha Rose Jacobs is a member of that site who like to proprogate slanderous materials without giving the whole truth.The site is indeed under legal investigation by parties other than Treaty House.
Who said any thing about Salford gathering being in May? or are you referring to a totally unrelated speech delivered by me to the persons concerned which appears at the begining of this thread,have you Bonnie/Michelle,asked the admin of that site "WHO" they are?nope,have you contacted ANY duley elected Salford city council representative?nope.Why don't you contact the Home secretary of the Home office UK as it is her duley elected constituency.Ask her to ask her home council if i am lying about this.We have the paperwork on this which i will be happy to produce in court if you wanna try your luck.we are done now go save the bees its more worthwhile an effort on your part
Let me see if I got this straight . . . Michelle is really Moma Porcupine who is really Trisha Rose Jacobs who is really Bonnie. This would be funny, if y'all weren't so pathetic.
Going to reply to a couple of your comments, cause obviously you haven't taken the time to read what I've posted.
No, you never stated that the Salford Gathering was going to take place in May; however, you have stated that it will take place in 2009.
A. You have been posting about a May Gathering of First Nations for over two years. Days stay the same, the year just changes.
B. You have posted on several locations that you are "in talks" with the Salford City Council about a 2009 Gathering.
The comments made by Zoi Lightfoot and Linda Lou Flewin in the first couple pages of this thread were enough to warrant an investigation. Anyone who makes the claims y'all do, but won't even answer a few respectful questions, has to be a fraud.
I have contacted a "duley elected Salford city council representative". The Senior Public Relations Officer for the Salford City Council and I have been corresponding since March.
Who is the "Home secretary of the Home office UK"? Y'all really have a Home Office? What branch of government is that? Must be legislative, since you go on to say, "as it is her duley elected constituency.Ask her to ask her home council if i am lying about this." If you have nothing to hide, why didn't you give me her name and phone # or e-mail address?
There you go talking about "court" again. Refer to my previous comments about threats of lawsuit; no need to reiterate.
"we are done now go save the bees its more worthwhile an effort on your part" . . . I see you have been doing a little investigative work of your own. Yes, I am active in environmental issues. I think it is worthwhile.
However, hear me on this . . . Exposing frauds and scams like the one y'all are trying to pull with Treaty House is more worthwhile. We are not done; we are only just beginning.
Edit to add: Or, Zoi and Linda Lou could admit to living a lie for years, admit to what they're doing, cease any further misrepresentation of themselves, and apologize for their rude and disrespectful behavior. In which case, I'll let it go. It will only be done when these goals are accomplished.
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I saw loudcrow online last night and earlier today.
Should have seen this one coming.
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Elizabeth wrote at 1:00pm
"MIchelle" (Bonita Lou Singleton), don't think for one moment I don't know what you're up to. I have been made aware you and some of your pals at NAFPS have been nominated or the Native American Entertainer of the Year Award. Fess up. You came here looking for votes, didn't you? Quite frankly, I cannot cast my vote for any of you this year because you haven't come up with any new ideas/scripts/scenes, etc. The "I am an Internet Detecitve" act is older than dinosaur dung. The "I am incapable of contacting the agency/person whose name, address, telephone number and email address has been given to me" act and the "I'm not gonna post what I asked but I will post the response from the incorrect person I contacted" is just wrong.
Didn't Moma teach you not to make fun of mentally challenged people? You folks need to come up with some new material if you expect to get my vote this year. (Yawn)
1. No one has given me any names, addresses, telephone numbers, or e-mail addresses to contact. Y'all haven't answered any questions about anything. Not ever. I've found the information on my own. Liz, remember when I contacted the Creek Nation of Oklahoma and the Poarch Band of Creek Indians and was told you, Nichols, and the Blackwater Band were not Mvskoke? Remember when I contacted the UKB about Tsisqua and was told they did not have any members living in Ireland? No one gave me the names of people to contact at Red Lake, White Earth, or Leech Lake; but I was able to talk to all three Enrollment Officers and confirmed that Zoi Lightfoot is not enrolled with any of them.
2. Refer to « Reply #121 on: April 04, 2009, 03:05:58 PM »
I posted my e-mail to the Salford City Council and Liz Carridge's reply.
Refer to « Reply #132 on: Today at 11:18:00 AM »
The second e-mail I received from the Senior Public Relations Officer for the Salford City Council, requesting additional information. I hadn't written to her between her reply in March and this one in April.
Refer to « Reply #133 on: Today at 12:10:42 PM »
My reply to the April e-mail from Carridge.
I contacted the wrong person? I don't think so. Liz Carridge is the Senior Public Relations Officer for the Salford City Council. Who better to know what's going on in Salford?
Do not accuse me of twisting the truth, leaving things out, slanting the facts. I don't do that. I will post whatever I find out. If I could find one legitimate person who knows Zoi Lightfoot or Linda Flewin and would vouch for them, I'd post it. After almost a year, that hasn't happened. No one in Indian Country really knows either one of them.
Edit to fix link.
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Linda wrote at 2:22pm
LMAO...seems "Michelle" aka Bonnie Little Singleton dont know how to play the game of truth eh?...dayum..bout time she realized she playing with the real thang! She still hasnt accepted my invitation to become my "friend" on FB and face my family & friends....no courage Bonny "my friend"..hehehehehehhe......i dare ya Bonnie aka "Michelle" jeeeezzzzzzz so childish and purile hiding behind "anon" names..Bonnie..lets face it..if you werent "Michelle" you wouldnt have a clue what's being posted on here...you let the secret out hunnie... now we are laughing hilariously....
That's a public Facebook. Click the link and you're there, able to read every single post. I don't even have a Facebook account and I can see it. It's totally public.
I'm childish . . . Now I'm laughing.
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Linda wrote at 4:21pm
Oh and Bonnie aka Michelle..if you dont care to post the personal emails from my hereditary chief Gary Metallic of the Mi'kmaq Nation(my nation,one of many with whom I have cousins in) with his views on your behavior and that of NAPFS I will as I have his full permission. Bring it on girl..we are waiting for you along with Nakota/Dakota/Ipperwash/Burns Lake Reserve/squamish chase reserve...waiting for ya...just bring it on..we are all waiting for you to make just one more wrong move..better warn your fake apache mentor al carroll.....we are sitting in the side lines...make my day you wannabee........
This probably doesn't need any comment . . .
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Elizabeth wrote at 4:54pm
"Michelle" AKA Bonita Lou Singleton, I have asked you politely not to make fun of mentally challenged people. Now I am telling you to knock it off. It isn't funny. Everyone knows Texas is not Indian Country and is not even close to Canada, Minnesota or the UK. Are you being serious when you use the fact that no one in Texas has heard of Linda and/or Zoi as "proof" they are not Native and are frauds? You folks at NAFPS are really scraping the bottom of the trashcan now.
Who are the "mentally challenged people" you keep talking about?
Who am I making fun of?
You think I only know people in Texas?
I talked to the Enrollment Officers at Red Lake, White Earth, and Leech Lake by phone. Zoi is not enrolled with any of these reservations.
I've corresponded with Bill Means (AIM) and Andrea Carmen (IITC) via e-mail. They didn't know Zoi and stated that she doesn't represent any Native Nation.
I have friends all over the United States, as well as Canada and the U.K.
Y'all are really grasping at straws now.
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As I've been reading the comments made by Zoi, Linda Lou, and Liz on the Salford Sioux Facebook, I can't help but notice the disparaging remarks they all have made about NAFPS. There was a time, not too long ago, when they appreciated this forum and everything we do here.
Bigger and Stronger Than Ever-ONE THOUSAND Members!
http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1543.0
Firstly,sites like NAPFS are to be applauded,they are a valuable resource to people like
me who work at legislature level in the international community.There was a time not long
ago when spokespeoples,representatives and even Bands were crippling themselves
financialy just to chase one huxster down and out of their territories.As I am sure educated
indian and many NAPFS members can also confirm.
Understand me here as long as we have the international embassies of the Canadian Parliament
and the US Federal Gov, supplying europeon schools with their homogenized version of 'Indian
history' and employ white twinkies to dress up and play tourist traditional for them at official functions
Then parasites who leech the life out of our nations will always exist.
And folks like me will always need to bounce enquiries about hinkey people off of the members at
NAPFS.We've come a long way in the last 515yrs,we don't stand on hills burning our blankets trying
to get word out (although the moccassin telegraph can never be beaten in terms of plan B)We are
doing something about the various situations placed before us.
Albert Pine once said,"Do something for yourself and it dies with you,Do something for the people
and the deed becomes immortal".
Hi Ari
while i take on board your comments,it would be worth reminding ourselves that a majority of NAPFS members belong to/or co ordinate active groups in their own right.You only have to wade through the extensive NAPFS archives to grasp how effective and co ordinated they all are in their own right and as NAPFS members,internationaly.
Back to the thread topic,I personaly thank Al and the NAPFS founders for biting the proverbial bullet and taking this one on at a time when representative could not move for twinkies of all races getting in the way and seriously enflaming a very emotive issue ammongst Indian peoples of all Nations.
Congratulations to Educated Indian,Barnaby and all who write on here. I have belonged to this site now for some years and have seen the lengths to which some people will go to discredit this site and the people on here,all because those who are doing the attacking(nuagers/frauds) are afraid of their sometimes sizable incomes are reduced significantly when exposed. It is only through this site and the many more out there who support the work done on here that we are able to get to grips with the exploiters.
Thanks to you all!
Linda Lou
PS:I heard that Sonne Raynor is in Europe again..anyone got any news?
Guess attitudes and opinions change when the questions are being asked of you and you have something to hide. Think we've seen this happen with more than this bunch.
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Elizabeth wrote at 6:40pm
"Michelle" AKA Bonita Lou Singleton, I honestly have no clue why you continue to cut and paste our posts from THIS SITE to NAFPS. Are you deliberately trying to confuse us about which site we are posting on or are you the one who is confused? Since it's clear you ain't gonna win the Native American Entertainer of the Year Award, are you looking for kudos from Burrito Boy and/or Porky? Dayum. Talk about people grasping for straws..... The only vote you and your NAFPS pals will get from me is a vote of sympathy.
I have to wonder why you keep coming to NAFPS reading my posts, and respond to them on the Salford Sioux Facebook. Why don't you reply right here? We're both members of NAFPS; I'm not a member of Facebook. As much as y'all would like for Michelle to be me, it just ain't so.
Y'all still don't have my full name right either, even though I've posted it on more than one occasion.
Liz, your white privilege is showing. You might really want to try and keep your racism in check.
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Elizabeth wrote at 7:20pm
"Michelle" AKA Bonita Lou Singleton, please make an appointment with an eye doctor so you can have your eyes checked. My picture is here for the world to see. Do I really look like a white privileged person to you? And stop accusing me of being racist. My reference to your being nominated for the Native American Entertainer of the Year Award was not a disparaging remark against Natives. You and your pals at NAFPS have been entertaining us for years now or have you not? Or have you made the assumption I have something against burritos? I love em.. especially with lots of medium taco sauce and loads of sour cream.
No comment necessary, but going to anyway. Calling someone "Burrito Boy" is racist. Is this how you really feel about people of color?
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Linda wrote at 9:44am on May 5th, 2009
And I am afraid having done further investigations on "Michelle" who also goes under various other alias's such as Moma Porcupine who is also Trisha Rose Jacobs is a member of that site who like to proprogate slanderous materials without giving the whole truth
(con...)
That whole discussion over there is so bizarre I don't know what to say except Trisha Rose Jacobs isn't me. I'm not Michelle and don't post on sites like facebook . And I'm not Bonnie.
But I would be really interested to see an explanation of whatever it is that was posted here that Linda feels left out important information , and therefore gave a wrong impression. I'd still like to hear how Linda Lou thinks she is the blood niece of Grand Chief Ben Sylliboy - or an explanation of which of her Grandparents / greatgrandparents were Mi'kmaq and how she knows this. I'd like to see an explanation of why the genealogical information she herself appears to have put online points to nothing but English ancestry on her Mom's side. If this is a misunderstanding why not take this opprotunity to clear things up ?
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I should add that I can confirm Momma P is not Trish Jacobs. Their ISPs aren't even on the same continent. Trish has been studying over in Europe since the beginning of NAFPS. She is not even a member of the forum anymore due to time constraints on her as a grad student.
And saying Texas is not Indian Country? There's more NDNs in the state than in most of the other 50 states, or provinces in Canada. I think Dallas has the 4th biggest urban NDN population in the country, 40,000 or more. San Antonio about 20,000.
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Linda wrote at 1:59am
LMBO....I fink "Michelle" aka Bonita has had a taste of the sour cream and she dont like
it..rofllllllll I too love burritos..it's the fake tex mex I dont like..LMAO
Linda wrote at 2:14am
Now,....why would any of us want to give our geneology to a group like NAPFS who in themselves cannot prove where their bloodlines come from..hmmmm????..wouldnt you say that what is sauce for the goose etc?..and why would we expose our families in public to a bunch of nasty minded individuals who believe they have every right to be the cyber cops of people of the nations?... hey..you guys at NAPFS banned me for saying such a thing about Moma P requesting my and others family details when this Moma P refused to divulged who she is....when moma p does this and the rest of you can prove where your blood comes from I might think about it then.Until then..hasta la vista babies
People who keep their personal information private and don't use claims about who they are to gain public trust don't have any private information the public needs to verify. If I claimed to be the niece or cousin of a deeply respected Native leader or the Consular Director of a supposed consular facility , it would be fair to expect me to provide a way to verify my own identity. The point is I'm not making any claims about myself that might wrongly gain public trust. Linda Lou is. She has also ALREADY put her family information on line, in detail and this information shows her Mom was of English descent.
It isn't unreasonable to wonder why her Mom's genealogy doesn't match up with Linda Lou's claims she was Mi'kmaq.
Zoi wrote at 3:56am
Ok let sort some things out here shall we,as we are aware Bonnie is cutting and pasting to the other site anyways,understand this Ms Singleton.
1) The Admin of this site is the very same duley elected Salford Councilperson,Linda Lou and myself have spent the last year in discussion with.Not the saleried staff person you spoke with (no disrespect to her intended and i hope Liz takes it that way as this is getting old and stale)
2) We also met the duley elected leader of said council
3) We have all said paperwork pertaining to that,what its about and WHO exactly would or would not be envolved and why.
4)This gathering is about promoting the Sovereign Nations on THIER terms,not mine,Treaty Houses Salfords or NAFPS.
5) Its about showcasing not only Indian culutures past and present,but promoting tourismn,music,film and industry as is,owned and operated BY the Indian Nations.Not me Treaty House.
Zoi wrote at 4:08am
6)Its about much needed International scholorships for Indian students.
7)Its about bringing the entire cast of My Lifes a Sundance to Salford.(and yes i have spoken with folks like Joanne since you posted on NAFPS,(I beleive a thread was started on her too since then in NAFPS)
8) its about staffing it with the existing and established SGs,some of whom now ignore you due to your trolling and disruptive ways.
9)Funding for that is to be negotiated in the business sector,with the city council itself,right in the middle of an International recession.Thats does not have a time table.
10) Is there any finance gain for Treaty House,absolutely not,Treaty House is a facility it answers only to those peoples to whom it belong as do i.
Elizabeth wrote at 6:49am
I apologise to the admins of this site and to its readers for the antics of the folks from NAFPS and for my responses. I should not have taken the bait from these notorious trolls and truth twisters. Here are two examples of websites run by NAFPS members solely for the purpose to defaming Native Americans:
http://DavudYeagley.org registered to Al Carroll
http://BadEagle.org registered to Brent Michael Davids
Please view these websites and draw your own conclusions about the lengths to which these folks will go in order to slander and defame other human beings.
I agree 100% with what Zoi and Linda have said and will add my own comments. Bonnie L. Singleton, Al Carroll and Moma Porcupine need to make their genealogy and enrollment cards available for public viewing. NAFPS also needs to make public any and all documents granting them the authority to determine who is and who isn't Native and the right to label individuals as frauds.
Unbelievable ... In order to understand how ignorant these so called 'representives of American Indian people" are people in the Salford Council might want to check out some of the stuff David Yeagley says ... in order to understand why so many Native people find this guy objectionable
Below are some examples of Yeagley's ideas
http://web.archive.org/web/20041030225328/http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=273
FrontPageMagazine.com 2/26/2002
By David Yeagley
"Superior beauty is in the white race, with its scintillating varieties of color: red, brown, amber, golden hair... green, blue, light brown, gray eyes. In the darker races, everything is always the same, dark brown and black a beastly bore."
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"These days the white woman is expected to humble herself before the darkie
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"But Hitler was wrong in Mein Kamf (1925), when he accuses the Jewish male of a racial plot. When "the black-haired Jewish youth" finds himself sexually attracted to the fair Aryan maiden, there is no "clear aim of ruining the hated white race" through intermarriage. The Jew himself would breed out, for he is a small minority.
But the masses of darker races don't fear extinction, because they are the vast majority. The white race is the world's minority.
Its Judeo-Christian religion allowed the European Caucasian race to advance above all other people; but the darker races now encroach through integration and intermarriage, in the name of equality and diversity.
Pat Buchanan says that there's something wrong with a race that doesn't care whether it exists or not. In his new book, The Death of The West, he refers to my article, "What's Up With White Women," in which I write about a white girl who has no pride in her race or its accomplishments.
There are dark people who look forward to the end of "whitey."
http://web.archive.org/web/20061231043631/http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/04/korean_actress.php
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"Mixed raced people can't help what they are. Their's is no fault. But there is no need to repeat the same, or to advocate more, or to idolize such a condition by perpetuating it. When you realize you're on a wrong path, even if you didn't put yourself on it, the only dignified thing to do is to get back on the right path."
Yeagley also has a reputation supporting groups who oppose Indian sovereignty.
http://web.archive.org/web/20051222183130/http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13399
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"I was invited to speak to leaders of Citizens Equal Rights Alliance, United Property Owners, Upstate Citizens for Equality,and One Nation. These organizations represent over a quarter of a million Americans citizens who have personally lost money,property, business, and basic civil rights as the result of aggressions by the Indian casino industry. (Not to mention the income counties and states lose to tax-exempt "Indian" casino business.)"
Yeagley
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"It's their people that created America, not Indians. Only a diabolically self-righteous liberal politician would take America out of the hands that created it, and give it to those who either lost it, or never had anything to do with it."
http://web.archive.org/web/20061206094805/http://www.badeagle.com/html/arent_pales.html
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"As a Comanche Indian, I'm sensitive to this history. I believe the conqueror has a right to what he has conquered. No one owns the land. Only he who is strong enough to possess it will control it and the people living on it. That's the law of war."
With friends like this who needs enemies?
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Linda wrote at 1:59am
LMBO....I fink "Michelle" aka Bonita has had a taste of the sour cream and she dont like it..rofllllllll I too love burritos..it's the fake tex mex I dont like..LMAO
Again with the racist jokes.
Linda wrote at 2:14am
Now,....why would any of us want to give our geneology to a group like NAPFS who in themselves cannot prove where their bloodlines come from..hmmmm????..wouldnt you say that what is sauce for the goose etc?..and why would we expose our families in public to a bunch of nasty minded individuals who believe they have every right to be the cyber cops of people of the nations?... hey..you guys at NAPFS banned me for saying such a thing about Moma P requesting my and others family details when this Moma P refused to divulged who she is....when moma p does this and the rest of you can prove where your blood comes from I might think about it then.Until then..hasta la vista babies!
First, no one has ever asked for your genealogy. No one cares whether you're Mi'kmaq, as you claim, or English, as you really are. It's the lying, the pretending, that matter. You and Zoi have set yourself up with fancy titles and a fake embassy. Truth is neither of you are enrolled, you don't represent the Mi'kmaq or Anishnabe, and Treaty House does not have the backing or support of any Native American Nation. Y'all are pretendians with a pretend embassy. Linda Lou, you are the one who has posted her genealogy all over the net, most of it while you were hunting for your birth parents. I feel sorry that you didn't know your mother and father. However, claiming to be a Scoop Kid, when you aren't even Indian, is disrespectful to all those children who were abducted by the system.
Now we're "a bunch of nasty minded individuals who believe they have every right to be the cyber cops of people of the nations"? That's not the way we look at our role here at NAFPS. At one time, neither did you. Refer to my Reply #139. As I said before, I guess attitudes and opinions change when the questions are being asked of you and you have something to hide.
If I remember correctly, you weren't banned for the questions you asked, but the way you asked them. I see you're as rude and obnoxious as ever. Some things never change.
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I agree that if Zoi and Linda and LIz were doing good things and gaining support on the real merits of what they are doing , their family background wouldn't be an issue.
This is why Sandra Kolar has never been brought up in this thread -even though she has been mentioned in relation to this Gathering and treaty House. She is doing what she's doing and people support what she is doing on it's own merits . She doesn't seem to be making any unverifiable and unlikely claims about her family background to gain this support.
As an anonymous person i don't expect people to take my word for the information I post and I don't expect people to believe I am so important and well connected in the native community they should just trust me. When I research stuff I always try to post my findings with links to independant sources of the facts and I ask common sense questions based on these facts. Even if i was an English teenager in the UK what I post would still be just as relevent and just as valid.
Zoi wrote
4)This gathering is about promoting the Sovereign Nations on THIER terms,not mine,Treaty Houses Salfords or NAFPS.
Thats nice but what are the names of these so called "sovreign Nations" and what are the names of the people who are representing them and who have agreed to work with Treaty House ?
10) Is there any finance gain for Treaty House,absolutely not,Treaty House is a facility it answers only to those peoples to whom it belong as do i.
And what are the names of the people Treaty House belongs to? The only names I have seen who openly claim to be affiliated with Treaty House are Linda Lou Flewin, Zoi Lightfoot and Liz Roemer. If it belongs to someone else and you want the public to trust this organization, why isn't this information published and open to public scrutiny? Is something being hidden, and if so why?
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Elizabeth wrote at 10:51am
For the record, I am no friend of Yeagley or Lekay although the folks at NAFPS have repeatedly accused us of working for/with them when they are having one of their paranoid moments. No doubt some Native Americans and some human beings are offended by some of the things these men write. However, no one has the right to register for, pay for, create and maintain a website specifically designed to slander and defame. That just doesn't seem like a normal reaction to me and it's a pretty sorry excuse for the behavior of the involved NAFPS members. Furthermore, David Yeagley has scanned in his birth certificate and has placed it online for the world to see. There is no question about his ethnicity. There are questions about the ethnicities and agendas of the folks at NAFPS.
Why doesn't NAFPS set the record straight and make this information public?
Liz, you just don't get it. It doesn't matter whether someone is enrolled, non-enrolled, a descendant, white, or black. What matters is being honest about it. Don't pretend to be someone or something you aren't. Don't pretend to be Indian when you aren't; don't pretend to be a diplomat when the Nation you claim to represent doesn't know you exist. Just be honest.
I don't care whether Yeagley is enrolled Comanche. It's not his ethnicity; it's his character. His high opinion of whites and his low opinion of all people of color speaks volumes about the person he is. Your defense of Yeagley, and his freedom to say whatever he wants without criticism, shouldn't wonder me too much. That's your white privilege showing again.
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However, hear me on this . . . Exposing frauds and scams like the one y'all are trying to pull with Treaty House is more worthwhile. We are not done; we are only just beginning.
Edit to add: Or, Zoi and Linda Lou could admit to living a lie for years, admit to what they're doing, cease any further misrepresentation of themselves, and apologize for their rude and disrespectful behavior. In which case, I'll let it go. It will only be done when these goals are accomplished.
i have not been posting for awhile, yet have been reading .. not sure what i could possibly post to most of the zoi et al BS .. .. it is all so laughable, and yet so sad too .. ..
i agree completely with your above post bls, especially the part i snipped .. and i would take that further to include some others as well .. .. leaving valid questions unanswered, vulgarly attacking those who are questioning, derailing, deflecting etc etc etc .. if they think these sort of tactics will "shut us all up" they are sadly mistaken .. we are done when the goals are achieved .. when the truth is told, whatever that truth might be .. .. .. ..
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Michelle wrote at 2:00am
I think you people who have been mentioned on the frauds site, should go there and try and explain your genuine. Why rant on here. I have just visited it again, and from what I see, you have not been able to defend yourselves. Answer these questions for me if you would.
1. Is Treaty House and official Embassy of Indian people
2. If so which tribes do you represent
3. Where does any funding come from/ and where does it go
4. Are you a charitable organisation or profit making
So many questions you have never answered.
I am just a person from Manchester who happened by chance to come across this fraud site and saw this mentioned on there. I am not an indian, I am english.
Look forward to hearing your responses
Linda Lou, I have your friend request and will accept it. All I want to know is what is the truth.
The same questions we've been asking for over a year.
Michelle wrote at 3:34am
Is this anyway to invite someone to be a friend. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.to prove yourself. Reckon this says it all about the type of person you are
Linda says, "SO.come on Michelle Henry..come and meet the many family and
friends I have..tell them I am a fraud and tell them Zoi is a fraud..what u
waiting for.tell my relatives,mi'kmaw,nakota/dakota an those on Burns Lake
Reserve I am not native..make my fuckinday!".
And the same rude attitude we've experienced every time a question was asked.
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Zoi wrote at 5:13am
Then i suggest you ask a duley elected Salford councillor for any answer thats concerns you,Treaty House is self funded,its funds do not come from donations or charity donations,yes it is a facility that works for the Nations,who is not realy your concern as its not you is it!.
Why do you assume ANY indian person would have to prove themselves to you or anyone else,we are not asking you for anything nor would we
"Treaty House is self funded,its funds do not come from donations or charity donations" . . . Then why do you ask for donations?
"yes it is a facility that works for the Nations" . . . Which Nations? As stated before, Indian Country doesn't know you. As Bill Means has said, you don't represent any Indian organization.
"Why do you assume ANY indian person would have to prove themselves to you or anyone else,we are not asking you for anything nor would we" . . . Any person setting up an embassy/organization and assuming the role of diplomat/legal advisor, regardless of ethnicity, would be expected to introduce themselves and give verifiable references. The fact that y'all have failed to provide even one legitimate reference makes everyone doubt your credibility. Any Indian would gladly give Nation, reservation, and family. It's the way things are done. Y'all have refused to do this. This fact alone says you are not Indian.
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Linda wrote at 5:30am
I have welcomed you as a friend Michelle Henry, you will be able to see who I am on my site.And I apologise for the language...we have too many people playing childish games with us as a whole with anonymous names..it gets very tiring in the end and I know of no other race who has to prove who they are and where they come from.
Why do Indians have to prove who they are and where they come from? Maybe because of all the wannabes and pretendians. Thing is, if you were really Indian, people would know who you are; they would know your family.
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Michelle wrote at 5:51am
Zoi, are you saying, that I should contact an elected Salford Councillor, for answers that I would like to know about your Treaty House. Should it not be indians from the nations you suppose to represent. A councillor can be hoodwinked, like anyone else.
Linda thank you for the appology. As for not knowing of another race who has to prove who they are, I would expect anyone who claims to be of a race and to represent that race, to be able to confirm, they are of that race.
Michelle wrote at 5:59am
Sorry I for got to add.
Zoi, you said you are not asking me for anything, so you have no need to prove anything. Well you are asking me for something.
You are asking for Support from Salford Council, which will include, the use of premises etc etc. I am a local resident and pay my COUNCIL TAX. I do not wish to see it used on something that is not legit.
I will be speaking with my local councillor shortly about this.
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Zoi wrote at 2:01am
Couple of things Its NOT "MY" Treaty House,Treaty House is a facility owned and funded directly by the peoples who DO use it.Second at no time to my knowledge has ANY Salford taxpayer been asked to pay for this,we are well aware of the situation in Salford,funding would have come from the international business sector (some Indian owned)A majority of those coming over had volenteered to come,paying thier own way,No staff on our side of things would be paid in any way for thier time etc.This expo has been on the cards for around ten years now,its about the Nations representing themselves on thier own terms and conditions.Treaty House is merely facilitating that process.
But what interests me more than ever now,is the realisation that every one of the three times this has been attempted,its not the Indian peoples who have undermined it.I also pay all local and national UK taxs whilst residing in the UK so I fail to see what the point of that comment is.
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Interesting comment on the Treaty House Myspace.
http://www.myspace.com/treatyhouse
Linda
Mar 25 2009 7:07 AM
Quote from "Dr" Al....
"And when someone joins and engages in some fairly low personal smears and racist insults in their very first post, they should not be able to hide behind being anonymous. "
ad nauseum.....
My My,that would apply to Moma P and 99% of his active members I would say eh?
Linda Lou, what's your problem with Moma? It's not her fault you posted your English genealogy all over the internet. It wouldn't have been there for her to find, if you hadn't made it so public. It's not Moma's fault that you left a trail a blind man could follow. Maybe you should have taken a cue from Zoi Lightfoot . . . Keep your identity secret, don't post any pictures of yourself or any family information anywhere. I don't think anyone knows what Zoi looks like. Of course, since she does use her real name, we have been able to determine that she isn't Anishnabe. Or better yet, Tsisqua . . . She didn't even use her own name, let alone any details of who she really was. She'd have probably gotten away with it if she hadn't decided to be Keetoowah, if she'd picked one of the larger Nations.
I was going to say something about Pot-Kettle Award, but that wouldn't be accurate. Racism of any kind isn't tolerated here on NAFPS, no matter what you think. For you to imply that it goes on here is ridiculous. After the burrito and sour cream jokes last weekend from you and Liz, I think we know who the racists are. Y'all just can't get away from your whitey-tighty upbringing.
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Linda Lou Flewin is using her imaginary Mi'kmaq ancestry and Treaty House to promote herself on this business website.
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Linda Lou Flewin
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Hi,
I have been a successful Entrepreneur for 5 years. I worked in the IT Industry in Sales and was a top earner.There came a day when I looked at one of the Directors/Owners of the company I worked for and thought why should I be working all the hours God gives me so you can have the big house and the porche's whilst I still had a four hour commute into the city every day when I could be putting all that money into my own pocket. I had a 7 million turnover annually for that company on my own...makes you think eh?
So...I decided to do something about it and invested not just in one company but two....today 5 years later I work from where ever in the world I want to and am very happy with the lifestyle I have achieved. I travel whenever and where ever I want to. Dont get me wrong..I still work my butt off but it is for me and my family and that makes me smile.. A LOT!
Now..I help people to achieve their dreams and I am happy to give something back.
Who am I?
I am from the Mi'kmaq Indian Nation,Nova Scotia Canada who was adopted by an English Couple who emigrated to Canada and I have lived in a few Countries incuding Antigua which I consider as my second home. I have been residing in the UK for many years now but travel a fair amount.
I have two wonderful grown up children both university graduates and who have their own successful careers.
What else do I do?
I also provide an independant telesales service to companies who wish to develop their business without having to put and pay for "bums on seats" In todays economic climate a huge proportion of companies expecially the SME market are looking to cuts costs as well as improve sales activity. There is a thriving experienced workforce to be tapped into who will work from home at lower costs.
For a quotation on a campaign you may be considering please do contact me via e-mail.
I am also a Director of Treaty House London UK which provides educational services to schools,colleges and universities with regards to information on the Native American Nations.We also provide support to the Nations both home and abroad in the way of who to contact for advise when travelling abroad and will help those in trouble to get home again safely.We raise the awareness levels in the non native population of the world as to who we really are as many only have knowledge of what they see in the Hollywood movies. We present ourselves as modern day people living with our traditional values.
For more information please visit:
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I love to garden,read,swim,sail,walk the dog,travel,go to Pow Wow,listen to all sorts of music though I am not too keen on RAP..be with friends and explore new places.
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First Nations Gathering
The First Nations Gathering, the largest International Intertribal Gathering ever to be held in Europe, will be from 10 – 16 May 2009. It is an annual showcase event featuring Native American Film, Art and Music together with educational talks, films, documentaries and workshops to raise awareness in general and to focus on current thinking.
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The First Nations Gathering was this past week, Sunday thru Saturday. Wonder how it went? Did any of y'all over in Europe attend?
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First Nations Gathering
The First Nations Gathering, the largest International Intertribal Gathering ever to be held in Europe, will be from 10 – 16 May 2009. It is an annual showcase event featuring Native American Film, Art and Music together with educational talks, films, documentaries and workshops to raise awareness in general and to focus on current thinking.
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The First Nations Gathering was this past week, Sunday thru Saturday. Wonder how it went? Did any of y'all over in Europe attend?
Looks like no one here attended the Gathering.
Has anyone heard anything about it? Did it take place? Or was it another non-event, like last year?
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bls .. i tried to find information on this supposed "gathering" actually taking place .. came up with nothing .. guess it did not take place after all .. a non-event just like last year ..
is it all just hype?
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Yep, I think it's all hype. This is two years in a row that they've advertised this Gathering, like it was really going to happen, and nothing. Guess it makes them feel important to talk about it. I'd be ashamed to keep the charade going. But then . . . There's a whole lot of things Zoi Lightfoot and her friends do that would shame me. They act like they have no family, no relatives.
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From Zoi's myspace
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=386084127
zoi right now seriously focused,so any cyber trolls take the hint and piss off and play with the traffic
Oh, how mature!
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Yep, I think it's all hype. This is two years in a row that they've advertised this Gathering, like it was really going to happen, and nothing. Guess it makes them feel important to talk about it. I'd be ashamed to keep the charade going. But then . . . There's a whole lot of things Zoi Lightfoot and her friends do that would shame me. They act like they have no family, no relatives.
indeed i agree completely .. the statement in bold would sure fit a lot of people that seem to say things to make themselves feel important .. i guess that is why they do it .. especially zoi and friends .. i sure cannot see another reason .. .. and yep your right, they do and say things that would shame me and act like they have no family/relatives .. .. ..
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From Zoi's myspace
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=386084127
zoi right now seriously focused,so any cyber trolls take the hint and piss off and play with the traffic
Oh, how mature!
gahhhh what is with these people, what is wrong with them that they feel they have to be petty and vulgar? .. and then they want others to respect them? .. wth? ... .. ..
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I agree. It makes you wonder just what is really going on, not just with Treaty House but with LPDOC as well. Why would they support a wannabe organization like Treaty House and a pretendian like Zoi? What do they have to gain from supporting a fake embassy? I realize politics can make for some strange bedfellows, but .....
Quoting myself for reference. Seems this connection has gotten worse, instead of better. Given the time that has passed and the information made available, you'd think some of these people would have distanced themselves from Treaty House. That's not the case.
Zoi Lightfoot's Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/wall.php?id=24205813373#/friends/?id=1271010984
Among her friends . . . Ben Carnes, Glenda Sue Deer, Kari Ann Cowan, Kitty Carnes, Leonard Peltier, Wanbli Tate. I'm sure Zoi thinks having these and others on her Facebook ups her Indianness. It doesn't. Zoi is still a pretendian with a fake embassy.
Ya know, maybe people should be a little more careful when accepting 'friend requests'. Being known as one of Zoi's friends in cyberspace, makes people wonder about y'all in real life.
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Zoi no longer has a Facebook account; dropped since yesterday. Wonder why.
You can still find the folks mentioned in the above post on Linda Lou Flewin's Facebook. Guess there really isn't much difference between Zoi and Linda Lou. One claims Ojibwe, the other claims Mi'kmaq; neither is Indian.
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Zoi no longer has a Facebook account; dropped since yesterday. Wonder why.
You can still find the folks mentioned in the above post on Linda Lou Flewin's Facebook. Guess there really isn't much difference between Zoi and Linda Lou. One claims Ojibwe, the other claims Mi'kmaq; neither is Indian.
no facebook now .. that figures .. that has happened before, call attention to the objectionable and questionable content of a page or website and those sort of people go to great lengths to hide it .. ..
guess there really is not much difference between any of those people you named .. with the exception of LP of course, but then again we all know that he is not setting up and monitoring all these pages and sites that are using his name .. ..
I agree. It makes you wonder just what is really going on, not just with Treaty House but with LPDOC as well. Why would they support a wannabe organization like Treaty House and a pretendian like Zoi? What do they have to gain from supporting a fake embassy? I realize politics can make for some strange bedfellows, but .....
Quoting myself for reference. Seems this connection has gotten worse, instead of better. Given the time that has passed and the information made available, you'd think some of these people would have distanced themselves from Treaty House. That's not the case.
Zoi Lightfoot's Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/wall.php?id=24205813373#/friends/?id=1271010984
Among her friends . . . Ben Carnes, Glenda Sue Deer, Kari Ann Cowan, Kitty Carnes, Leonard Peltier, Wanbli Tate. I'm sure Zoi thinks having these and others on her Facebook ups her Indianness. It doesn't. Zoi is still a pretendian with a fake embassy.
Ya know, maybe people should be a little more careful when accepting 'friend requests'. Being known as one of Zoi's friends in cyberspace, makes people wonder about y'all in real life.
all that up-ing ones indianness is just a game to these people .. these pretindians might fool a few but most see through that real quick .. ..
and your absolutely right: being known as a friend of some of these people in cyberspace does indeed make people wonder about you in real life .. people should be more careful accepting friend requests .. in more ways than one .. ..
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Zoi no longer has a Facebook account; dropped since yesterday. Wonder why.
You can still find the folks mentioned in the above post on Linda Lou Flewin's Facebook. Guess there really isn't much difference between Zoi and Linda Lou. One claims Ojibwe, the other claims Mi'kmaq; neither is Indian.
It took Linda Lou an extra day, but her Facebook account is now gone too.
At least two sites where they were misrepresenting themselves and telling their lies have been eliminated. They both still have personal Myspace accounts and the Treaty House Myspace is still up, although there hasn't been much activity there this year.
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figured linda lou would take hers down as well, eventually .. ..
damage control? ..
:)
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It took Linda Lou an extra day, but her Facebook account is now gone too.
Actually facebook allows users access to privacy settings that prevent their facebook membership from coming up in a google search. So gone from google doesn't necessarily mean she is gone from face book. If she is using this to communicate with friends and for her personal life i figure she has a right to her privacy .
I was looking for something else and stumbled on this.
http://firstnations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5785&sid=100eaa637fe60274f37e5fb8f49cd0cc.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:51 am
hey walkxtall and everybody..long time since I been on here!
The summer here in the UK has been very wet apart from a week and a half of hot weather so this here Mi'kmaq ex-pat has decided to come home to live for good! yayyyyyyyyyy.....sooooooo excited,family from east coast to west coast asking me what took me so long..lol...so in the spring of 2010 here I come ready or not..lol....
I also have a love interest..grins..thats allllllllll the gossip your gonna get on that one for the moment!
Summer is a good time for gossip eh?.....lazy days and lazy nights wondering what is going to knock on our door to give us a little wake up call.
Seems an ex-member of this site doesnt like the $ss kicking I gave him some while ago on here when another person posted it on another site..seems he dont think I am mik'maq Our old "friend" Don Naconda or "Frank Farmer" Guess he wont like it when I turn up on hs doorstep in Toronto with some big cousins of mine from Ipperwash when I come home..grins..HUGE ONES! Oh my...wonders if I'll see a $ss twitching as he runs back down to the good ole U.S of A....roflllllllllllll
Just having some fun tonite folks with the so called "edumacated" history teacher who loves to tell us allllllll about our history and was rejected for enrollment himself in the Muskogee/Creek nation.......uh huh...love a bit of gossip on a lazy hazy day of summer I do...grins..my..I have had some fun with this one!!!
nite all..........
(from above)
when another person posted it on another site..
I'm guessing this would refer to when the person posting as Nikki posted an argumment Crazyeagle had on this firstnations.com message board with Don in the thread on Tecumsuh Brown Eagle.
http://firstnations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1269&sid=b0058a1a92932be8addc7d2e272f4ab0
That post was deleted as it was completely off topic..
I wonder if this means Linda Lou is stepping down from her position of Consular Director of Canadian Affairs , for Treaty House London UK?
Or maybe she is just saying this to be able to sound like she was going to be close enough to threaten Don...?
What a character ...
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For your info,I am Mississippi Band Anishinabe.
Zoi, how did this group come about? Is that the upper Mississippi River? Or another M'si sipi than the one down south?
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For your info,I am Mississippi Band Anishinabe.
Zoi, how did this group come about? Is that the upper Mississippi River? Or another M'si sipi than the one down south?
The Mississippi Band Ojibwe were originally from the headwaters of the Mississippi River.
Zoi isn't Ojibwe. Just one of her many claims . . .
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Treaty House is on facebook.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Treaty-house/72644207581?v=wall&ref=ts
Treaty House does not claim to speak for or represent the Indian Nations,its "job" and purpose is to clear a path in the international governments whereby the Leaders and spokespeoples of the Indian Nations can speak for themselves without hinderence
They no longer "claim to speak for or represent the Indian Nations". That's a good thing. However, they are continuing to pretend to be some kind of embassy with the ability "to clear a path in the international governments". Wonder when the last time Zoi or Linda Lou knocked on Number 10 Downing Street and were admitted? Or The Elysee in Paris? Or Moncloa Palace in Madrid? Maybe the European Parliament in Brussels?
The statement on their Treaty House facebook is still very misleading. They are not able to clear any paths for anyone in any international governments. Still a couple of pretendians with a fake embassy.
There hasn't been any activity on their page since November 2009. Hopefully people are beginning to see thru their lies.
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Facebook has become a haven for frauds and exploiters. No need to pay money for a website; you can set it up for free on facebook.
Here's a page Linda Lou Flewin set up to help First Nations communities and individuals start their own businesses and become economically independent; at least those are the stated goals. Remember that Flewin has her own home-based business, a get-rich-quick scheme that individuals can buy in to.
First Nations Economic Development Community
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=130205700326502&v=wall
Category:
Organizations - Non-Profit Organizations
Description:
Support for Economic Development within the Grassroots Communites for Economic Developers and First Nations Entrepreneurs.
Please note the Creator of this site will not be held responsible for any advise given or taken.
Privacy Type:
Open: All content is public.
Admins
Linda Lou Flewin (creator)
What does she know about business in the Western Hemisphere? What does she know about doing business in Canada? She's lived in the UK all her adult life. What does she know about any of the First Nations? I mean really know on a personal, face-to-face basis? I would venture to say no knowledge at all, to all three of these questions. She basically admits as much with the disclaimer on her page. "Please note the Creator of this site will not be held responsible for any advise given or taken." But here, once again, she's using her alleged Mi'kmaq heritage to make money. This isn't just a site to help entrepreneurs, but one to help First Nations entrepreneurs. This is exploitation; pretending to be someone she isn't to gain people's trust.
Edited for typos.
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Noticed earlier today that there were several new comments on the First Nations Economic Development Community facebook page. A couple people accused Linda Lou of being a fraud, not Mi'kmaq, etc. She was true to her nasty self in her replies to them. Let them know she was moving to Canada, would be there in two weeks, and wanted to meet them and have it out face-to-face. Said she has family from one end of Canada to the other. Same ole same ole. Woman never tires of pounding her chest. One person asked her to prove she was Mi'kmaq, post her lineage; once everyone saw proof, they'd quit accusing her of being a wannabe. Well, we've seen her genealogy. . . English. Anyway, just checked her page and all the questions and negative comments have been deleted. Guess that speaks for itself.
Edit to add: One person posted that they'd reported her to facebook for claiming to be non-profit when she isn't. She may not be turning a profit yet, but that still doesn't give her the right to claim to be a non-profit organization. Not sure how things are done in Canada; but down here in the States and over in the U.K., you need to register with the appropriate government offices. (Learned about the laws in the U.K. when we were looking into Treaty House. It isn't registered as a charity; isn't registered as anything.) I'm sure Canada has similar laws.
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First Nations Economic Development Community
Linda Lou Flewin Lol..like anyone I have my stalkers,I had an on-line business some while ago in the UK which didnt make it off he ground as advertising it was too high a cost for me. It wasnt a "Get Rich Quick" scheme or I would be on a yacht somewhere now..it was a Personal Development and Training site. Now I use my web design & web content writing skills for a living and have done so for quite some time.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=130205700326502&v=wall
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Speaking of business ventures, I found this interesting. It's Linda Lou's webpage for a work from home, get rich quick deal.
The HomeBizIncome.com
http://www.thehomebizincome.com/
The page is super protected; you can't copy anything. Believe me, I tried.
There's a picture of Linda Lou having lunch in The Algarve. I guess it's a fancy restaurant; looks like a patio.
Part of Linda's bio reads:
If Columbus hadn't envisioned a far-away world. he never would have set sail. Yes, there were rough seas at times. Lots of people thought he was taking a big risk. But he kept his mind on his goal and kept sailing. Columbus surprised himself. Instead of finding a shorter route to the spices of the far east, he discovered a land that was rich beyond anyone's expectations - America!
I think everyone needs a vision about what they would like their life to look like. Do you want to drive a junker forever? Live in a tiny apartment? Work themselves to exhaustion for someone who shows their appreciation with a $10 turkey at Thanksgiving?
Columbus . . . that's someone I admire and respect. Because of his vision, "he discovered a land that was rich beyond anyone's expectations - America!" There's many who wish his vision hadn't been so good or that the earth had been flat and he'd sailed over the edge. How could anyone claiming to be a Mi'kmaq Scoop Kid admire Columbus?
Yes, that was over a year ago; so possibly Linda Lou's statement that she "had an on-line business some while ago in the UK which didnt make it off he ground" could be true, except for one thing . . . Home Biz Income is still alive and well. Didn't make money? Well, that's not what she says on her website.
I still can't copy and paste anything from this webpage, but I have learned how to take a screen shot in the past year. Also learned that The Algarve isn't a fancy restaurant in London, as I'd thought last year. It's a resort in southern Portugal.
All references to Christopher Columbus have been removed. I remember thinking how strange her admiration for Columbus was. Why would anyone admire his "vision"??
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q129/bls926/HomeBizIncome.jpg)(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q129/bls926/HomeBizIncome2.jpg)(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q129/bls926/HomeBizIncome3.jpg)(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q129/bls926/HomeBizIncome4.jpg)(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q129/bls926/HomeBizIncome5.jpg)(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q129/bls926/HomeBizIncome6.jpg)(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q129/bls926/HomeBizIncome7.jpg)(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q129/bls926/HomeBizIncome8.jpg)
"Lots of money" "ever-escalating income" "average 20 hours a week" "independent lifestyle"
http://www.thehomebizincome.com/
"on-line business some while ago in the UK which didnt make it off he ground"
"It wasnt a "Get Rich Quick" scheme or I would be on a yacht somewhere now.."
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=130205700326502&v=wall
Which is the truth? Does Linda Lou Flewin know how to tell the truth?
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Linda Lou Flewin is using her imaginary Mi'kmaq ancestry and Treaty House to promote herself on this business website.
ecademy
http://ww.ecademy.com/account.php?id=210925
Linda Lou Flewin
Entrepreneur
Liberty League International
Wiltshire, United Kingdom
UK
Website: Liberty League International
Internet Feeds:
Ecademy ID: 210925
Fifty Words
Entrepreneur, business, start, home, internet, marketing, personal, development, outsourced, sales, web design, analysis, implementation, SME
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Profile
Hi,
I have been a successful Entrepreneur for 5 years. I worked in the IT Industry in Sales and was a top earner.There came a day when I looked at one of the Directors/Owners of the company I worked for and thought why should I be working all the hours God gives me so you can have the big house and the porche's whilst I still had a four hour commute into the city every day when I could be putting all that money into my own pocket. I had a 7 million turnover annually for that company on my own...makes you think eh?
So...I decided to do something about it and invested not just in one company but two....today 5 years later I work from where ever in the world I want to and am very happy with the lifestyle I have achieved. I travel whenever and where ever I want to. Dont get me wrong..I still work my butt off but it is for me and my family and that makes me smile.. A LOT!
Now..I help people to achieve their dreams and I am happy to give something back.
Who am I?
I am from the Mi'kmaq Indian Nation,Nova Scotia Canada who was adopted by an English Couple who emigrated to Canada and I have lived in a few Countries incuding Antigua which I consider as my second home. I have been residing in the UK for many years now but travel a fair amount.
I have two wonderful grown up children both university graduates and who have their own successful careers.
What else do I do?
I also provide an independant telesales service to companies who wish to develop their business without having to put and pay for "bums on seats" In todays economic climate a huge proportion of companies expecially the SME market are looking to cuts costs as well as improve sales activity. There is a thriving experienced workforce to be tapped into who will work from home at lower costs.
For a quotation on a campaign you may be considering please do contact me via e-mail.
I am also a Director of Treaty House London UK which provides educational services to schools,colleges and universities with regards to information on the Native American Nations.We also provide support to the Nations both home and abroad in the way of who to contact for advise when travelling abroad and will help those in trouble to get home again safely.We raise the awareness levels in the non native population of the world as to who we really are as many only have knowledge of what they see in the Hollywood movies. We present ourselves as modern day people living with our traditional values.
For more information please visit:
www.myspace.com/treatyhouse
Leisure time
I love to garden,read,swim,sail,walk the dog,travel,go to Pow Wow,listen to all sorts of music though I am not too keen on RAP..be with friends and explore new places.
Has added a business since last year.
Textaservice Ltd
Launched May 2009 UK Wide!!!
Textaservice provides a unique and sophisticated voice activated and texting service for the Property Market in the UK and indeed can be adapted to suit any property market in the world.Automated Voice & Texting Service straight to the mobile from the doorstep!
What we provide to the Estate Agent:
Secure on-line database to upload and manage properties
100 full colour boards printed on all weather corex
24 hour property description by voice and text
Potential leads automatically emailed to the estate agents chosen email address
Immediate Delivery of property details to the customers mobile/cell phones
Allow Estate Agents to be open 24/7 365 days a year
No obligation/full demonstration by our sales team in your office
Full back up service
From British Mobiles for a demonstration please dial 83039 and tap in property reference:100002
Each call will cost approximately £1.00 depending upon your service provider and will only generate one message.
For further information about this service contact:
info@textaservice.co.uk
Nothing else has changed, still claiming to be Mi'kmaq and a Director of Treaty House. Treaty House is now involved with I am a Witness.
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q129/bls926/Ecademy.jpg)
Claiming to be a Native American Embassy in London is bad, but even worse is Treaty House's involvement with I am a Witness. When frauds get involved with a legitimate organization, they put that group in danger of losing credibility. This fake embassy could put the whole program in jeopardy. Not saying Linda Lou Flewin and Zoi Lightfoot can't help with the problems. They need to learn how to do it as who they really are, not in the personas they've created for themselves.
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First Nations Economic Development Community added information about The Performance Management Academy and the link to their website.
(http://www.thepmac.com/themes/acquia_marina/images/pmac_logo.jpg)
At The Performance Management Academy, “The Art of Management is Alive!”
The Performance Management Academy offers the most impactful, comprehensive and flexible training programs. Our courses offer leading-edge material and theory coupled with advanced and proven business concepts that are applied in practical applications. These courses make a profound improvement in the success of an organization.
Courses are delivered in real-time at our clients’ locations or through public, open-enrolment sessions.
“Management Essentials” is our premier course which sets a standard for new, emerging, potential and tenured Managers, with the most comprehensive, proven and advanced skill development training available. Management Essentials, part of the Management Series, is an absolutely mandatory course for all Managers.
Training courses are available in four program categories:
• The Management Series
• The Sales Series
• The Marketing Series
• The Short Series
http://www.thepmac.com/welcome
Check out the prices they charge for their courses.
Register early – as space is limited to ensure optimal class size. You can easily register for The Performance Management Academy’s courses by using one of the following methods:
1) ONLINE:
Click on the “Register Now” button available on each course page.
2) By FAX: (coming soon)
Download the PDF Registration Form, print it out, complete and fax to us at 905-237-PMAC (7622).
3) By PHONE:
Call 905-237-7622 and we will help you to register and take your credit card information.
4) By E-MAIL:
Send us an e-mail including your registration details – either list the content or scan and submit the form (see the PDF) to info@thepmac.com
Registration and Confirmation
Register early – as space is limited to ensure optimal class size.
Upon receipt of your registration you will get a confirmation notice. The full course fee is due at time of registration. We will see you on the morning of the course. Should there be any change in venue, you will be contacted in advance. All courses begin at 8:30 a.m. Please arrive 15 to 30 minutes in advance. Meetings are “business casual” attire. Course fees include course materials. Meals, accommodation (if required), etc. are not included.
Cancellation, Rescheduling and Substitution Policy
Our flexible cancellation, rescheduling and substitution policy allows our customers to enrol early – and with confidence. There is flexibility to cancel, reschedule or make substitutions (see below for details). We are pleased to accept your enrolment which leads us to make reservations with our facility providers, content partners and service hosts.
Substitutions:
Substitution enrolment of a qualified colleague, submitted in writing, may be accepted up to 2 days prior to the start of the course at no charge. A 5% fee will only apply if there is a request to change payment from one credit card to another.
Rescheduling:
Requests to reschedule will be handled with care and we will try to accommodate all requests. Requests to reschedule, where we can accommodate, received less than 17 days prior to course day will be charged a rescheduling fee of $100. Requests to reschedule, where we can accommodate, received less than 10 days prior to course day will be charged a rescheduling fee of $250.
Cancellations:
You may contact us and adjust your course dates up to 17 days prior to the originally scheduled course. Cancellations received less than 17 days prior to your scheduled course will be charged 50% of the full registration fee. Cancellations received less than 10 days prior to your scheduled course will be charged the full registration fee.
Participants who do not cancel or reschedule, do not attend, or who may need to withdraw during a session will be liable for the full tuition fee.
All cancellation, rescheduling and substitution requests must be made in writing and/or by phone to:
Phone: 905-237-PMAC (7622) and/or Email: info@thepmac.com.
You must receive a written confirmation from us advising you that your request has been granted.
Program Fees
Open Enrolment Programs:
Course Duration Registration Fee
5 Day Course $2,990.00
4 Day Course $2,540.00
3 Day Course $1,950.00
2 Day Course $1,590.00
1 Day Course $990.00
1/2 Day Course $775.00
• All courses begin at 8:30 a.m.
• Please arrive ½ hr in advance.
• Meetings are “business casual” attire.
• Course fees include course materials.
Private Courses:
In addition to Public Open-Enrolment Courses, The Performance Management Academy offers private and personalized courses in the facilities of our clients – or in external facilities. Contact The Performance Management Academy for details.
http://www.thepmac.com/registration
Why is Linda Lou Flewin advertising for PMAC, implying that this is something First Nations entrepreneurs should spend their money on?
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First Nations Economic Development Community
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=130205700326502&v=wall
On June 1, 2010
Category:
Organizations - Non-Profit Organizations
Description:
Support for Economic Development within the Grassroots Communites for Economic Developers and First Nations Entrepreneurs.
Please note the Creator of this site will not be held responsible for any advise given or taken.
Privacy Type:
Open: All content is public.
Admins
Linda Lou Flewin (creator)
June 7, 2010
Category:
Organizations - Non-Profit Organizations
Description:
Support for Economic Development within the Grassroots Communites for Economic Developers and First Nations Entrepreneurs.
Please note the Creator of this site will not be held responsible for any advise given or taken.
Privacy Type:
Closed: Limited public content. Members can see all content.
Contact Info
Office:Turtle Island
Location:Canada, United States
No longer a public page; closed as of today. Wonder what she's hiding.
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She's hiding it because I confronted her about what she was doing in the group ie: trying to sway these people into buying garbage from those sites. When I asked her about where she heard about that site, she told me some respected elder or something to that effect recommended it to her. When I asked about the pricing her response was that "band offices" would pay for it, to which I replied, "band offices can barely afford to send children to college or make repairs on homes etc. let alone pay $700 plus for a few hours of "business" programming". She disagreed and although I made several valid arguements to her, she simply wasn't getting it. And insisted that she and I "team up" and work together, since she knows I am business "expert" for 13 years. As for her site that was posted "making thousands of dollars from home", it's bogus and I confronted her about that as well. I've been working online as I stated earlier for 13 years and that site is a prepackaged web site for an MLM (multi-level-marketing) scheme, that she claims to have been "duped" into. So again I confronted her and told her that if she was duped (a year ago) what gives her the authority to teach people about business?
She has also made claims of having family here in BC (which I found to be odd, since she knows that's where I'm from and has never discussed this with me or anyone I know here in BC) after I posted a link on my page about a rejection letter I had received for a symposium from The Highway of Tears pertaining to the murdered and missing women. Her response was, "well I have family there and there must be a vaild reason why they rejected it". I've worked on that cause for almost 3 years and there's no valid reason to reject a symposium and told her she was barking in a direction that once again she knew nothing about, I've worked closely with some of the Chiefs and many other accredited agencies here in BC, all of which were in support of a symposium, something she clearly did not comprehend before spouting off at the mouth.
Anyway I just wanted to ad those comments so you know why the group is closed for public viewing.
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She's hiding it because I confronted her about what she was doing in the group ie: trying to sway these people into buying garbage from those sites. When I asked her about where she heard about that site, she told me some respected elder or something to that effect recommended it to her. When I asked about the pricing her response was that "band offices" would pay for it, to which I replied, "band offices can barely afford to send children to college or make repairs on homes etc. let alone pay $700 plus for a few hours of "business" programming". She disagreed and although I made several valid arguements to her, she simply wasn't getting it. And insisted that she and I "team up" and work together, since she knows I am business "expert" for 13 years. As for her site that was posted "making thousands of dollars from home", it's bogus and I confronted her about that as well. I've been working online as I stated earlier for 13 years and that site is a prepackaged web site for an MLM (multi-level-marketing) scheme, that she claims to have been "duped" into. So again I confronted her and told her that if she was duped (a year ago) what gives her the authority to teach people about business?
She has also made claims of having family here in BC (which I found to be odd, since she knows that's where I'm from and has never discussed this with me or anyone I know here in BC) after I posted a link on my page about a rejection letter I had received for a symposium from The Highway of Tears pertaining to the murdered and missing women. Her response was, "well I have family there and there must be a vaild reason why they rejected it". I've worked on that cause for almost 3 years and there's no valid reason to reject a symposium and told her she was barking in a direction that once again she knew nothing about, I've worked closely with some of the Chiefs and many other accredited agencies here in BC, all of which were in support of a symposium, something she clearly did not comprehend before spouting off at the mouth.
Anyway I just wanted to ad those comments so you know why the group is closed for public viewing.
Thank you for your comments. I'd heard that several were questioning her about what she was doing. Have also been told that there hasn't been any activity on the page in a couple weeks.
I figured that HomeBizIncome was an MLM, or something just this side of legal. If she realizes she was "duped" a year ago and is no longer affiliated with those people, why is the website still up? Seems like she's still trying to make money off of it.
I personally don't care what Linda Lou Flewin does for a living. What does bother me is that she uses her imaginary Mi'kmaq heritage to promote herself. She is not Mi'kmaq, neither is she Dakota, Ojibwe, or Haudenosaunee. This latest attempt to influence First Nations' business ventures is so wrong. She is not Native, knows nothing about Canada, and is not knowledgeable in business. Linda Lou has made a name for herself on the internet; she's befriended the right people. However, it's only a matter of time until people discover the truth. I hope it doesn't take too long; too many people have already been hurt by her lies.
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You're welcome, I tried explaning to her that she had a moral obligation to the people to investigate links etc. that she was promoting on there and she didn't get that either. I have a marketing group and also set up a native business network group, so those who already own businesses can promote thiers to each other and help each other out and oddly after those two groups were created she popped up with hers. Nothing like being "creative' enough on your own to utilize someone elses idea and post information that you clearly know nothing about. I gave her the whole trust issues speech, because if someone ends up being duped, then those of us that are credible business people are going to be left cleaning up the mess. Needless to say she didn't get that either and I explained to her that the trust is something that needs to be earned not given or taken for granted. I literally hand hold people that I teach marketing and business to and walk them through the very basics because I don't want to see them get hurt or duped, lord knows we've been dealing with that enough for years and she just clearly does not get that. As for her site still being up, I didn't bother asking her about it, because that's got a pink neon flashing sign on it, as to why it's still up LOL.
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This is not much different from what she and Zoi Lightfoot have been doing with Treaty House, their imaginary Native American Embassy in the U.K. With this Economic Development group, Linda Lou portrays herself as an experienced entrepreneur. With Treaty House, she was one of the Directors, representing the Mi'kmaq people. Zoi was also a Director, their Legal Counsel, representing the Ojibwe people. I don't think they were able to fool many here on this side of the Atlantic; unfortunately many were conned in Europe.
Edit to add: LPDOC has been fooled by Zoi and Linda Lou. That's sad and unfortunate. In the process of accepting these two pretendians, LPDOC has lost some of their credibility.
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I just wanted to let everyone know that Linda Lou is now working on a 60's scoop group on facebook, it's a closed group but here's the page
http://www.facebook.com/groups/258987190779018/ so if you know anyone in her group, you might want to give them a warning.
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And she's still promoting this crap on her twitter account despite her confessing to me that she was ripped off http://twitter.com/#!/crazyeagle007
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is this LINDA LOU FLEWIN?? .. cause she is native and has just recieved a letter from INAC telling her she can have her status card.. maybe I got the wrong lady.. the one I know was taken when she was 4 and given to a brit family.. she just came back to Canada and has been researching her family... she has old pics of her family and has connected with a bunch of them.. she lives on a rez near Sarnia I think it is... I will check this out more.. like I said maybe not the same lady..
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So she says lol
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You know Heather, this crap with you and Linda is getting old and tiresome .. so next time you want to fake a profile on a board and try to back Linda up, you might want to get someone to re-write your posts so they don't look so obvious. Hmm why don't you say what you want to say? You got no ammo on me and you know it... but you will never match me in brain power, sorry about your luck.
is this LINDA LOU FLEWIN?? .. cause she is native and has just recieved a letter from INAC telling her she can have her status card.. maybe I got the wrong lady.. the one I know was taken when she was 4 and given to a brit family.. she just came back to Canada and has been researching her family... she has old pics of her family and has connected with a bunch of them.. she lives on a rez near Sarnia I think it is... I will check this out more.. like I said maybe not the same lady..