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Title: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: NonNative on June 13, 2013, 06:54:16 pm
Hello,

I just want to say I am grateful for this forum. I was part of a "Mystery School" that had a "light center" in Los Angeles, but due to the recession , it closed down. I believe it is called the Modern day mystery school(at one point it was called the Rocky Mountain Mystery School). supposedly the main teacher Gudni Gudnason , came from Iceland and was given the "key" to the 7th mystery school from an Hopi elder. They have "Native Shamanic Studies" as courses in the school amongst other esoteric traditions. Its an shady organization, their courses cost between $500-$5000. I wonder if anyone had experience with them?

http://modernmysteryschool.com/

[just changed thread title]
Title: Re: Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 13, 2013, 09:11:22 pm
He's presented as if he is some kind of god:

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One such individual was Gudni Halldor Gudnason von Thoroddsen. After studying with the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn in England for several years, Gudni was sent out into the world to teach. He was trained as a world teacher and he does indeed teach all over the world. He has trained in many other mystery schools such as Tibetan, African, Transylvanian, Japanese mystery schools and he has had initiations into many different mysteries such as Celtic, Norse and Egyptian.

For over twenty years Gudni was taught directly from the Masters of the Mysteries and he now shares this with all those who choose to explore this arena. He celebrates over 33 years of teaching, a remarkable career in true service to humanity. Gudni moved to America in 1995 to take over the Rocky Mountain Mystery School, the North American school. He has worked rigorously on spreading the mystery school tradition all over the world and has affiliated centers now all over the United States, Japan, Canada, England, Ireland, Taiwan, Australia, South Korea, Singapore, Philippines, South Africa, Dubai and indeed there are such centers in 22 countries around the world, in 5 continents.

Gudni "Ged" was born in northern 'Viking lands' of Iceland and was initiated into the lineage of King Salomon with priesthood powers from high Priest Melchizedek, (this was done in the Great Pyramid of Giza) Guardian of the Secret of the Holy Grail and authorized to do the work by the HIERARCHY of LIGHT in all manner with the highest powers given to a human

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Mr. Gudnason has been teaching the KABBALAH since 1976 and was trained first by a Rabbi in the traditional Jewish Kaballah and later in Universal Kaballah by the original Order of the Golden Dawn. His accomplishments are so many that there is not space on these pages to count them.

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Mr. Gudnason has lived and studied all over the world but he now lives with his wife and two cats in Tokyo, Japan were he enjoys the elegant and perfect seeking lifestyle of the Japanese. He hands down the sacred tradition with passion and humor, and Mr. Gudnason observes with pride as these students become the masters and go on to further the work all over the world.

http://www.universalkabbalah.net/GudniGudnason (http://www.universalkabbalah.net/GudniGudnason)

Unicorn magick and vampire magick are just a few of the wonders they teach. http://modernmysteryschool.com/certified-teachers-healers-practitioners (http://modernmysteryschool.com/certified-teachers-healers-practitioners)
Title: Re: Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: NonNative on June 13, 2013, 09:21:54 pm
Unicorn and vampire magick!? hahahha that's the first I've ever heard of those types of "magick"
Title: Re: Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 13, 2013, 09:28:40 pm
NonNative did you have any experience with Gudni Gudnason personally? Or are these big workshop training/seminars?

Title: Re: Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 13, 2013, 09:52:39 pm
https://www.facebook.com/gudni.gudnason.7 (https://www.facebook.com/gudni.gudnason.7)

His prior wife Laurie, current wife Eiko. Looks like he is indeed from Iceland. All sorts of web sites online, including selling things http://officegudnason.com/team.htm (http://officegudnason.com/team.htm) http://new-paradigm.net (http://new-paradigm.net)/

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He was an athlete, mostly doing martial arts that lead to his participation in several movies as a stunt man. The most prominent of these was Where the Raven Flies, an Icelandic Viking saga. He holds several black belts in several different styles with the highest being a 7th degree black belt in Shaolin.
Gudni was also a professional dancer/performer for several years having danced around Europe on both TV and prestigious stages.
Amongst his most recent accomplishments he has released several CD`s up to date with ambient music and trance/house dance music.

http://fusionforpeaceproductions.com/en/artists/20.html (http://fusionforpeaceproductions.com/en/artists/20.html)
Title: Re: Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 13, 2013, 10:19:29 pm
Research thread on him from the martial arts fraud angle "7th mystery school(Colorado)- new age bullshido mixed with martial arts BS", lots of info:

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=47376&s=3b85021513591bddd4b1d7102d30e744 (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=47376&s=3b85021513591bddd4b1d7102d30e744)

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On November 27th 1993 he held an illegal "all-styles" tournament, Guðni maintains that the rules were semi-contact, yet one competitor threw up after being kicked hard in the stomach, and one child suffered some facial injuries.

He let children 6-12 years old compete in his "Turtles Kung-Fu" division(I **** you not).

Since boxing and all head-contact sports were illegal in Iceland at the time, and this tournament wasn´t sanctioned by any of the known MA federations in Iceland, that being Karate, TKD and Judo, the police launched an investigation into the tournament.

Shortly after there's another news article/press release where he promises not to hold another tournament like this.

A month later Guðni writes a harsh article accusing just about everyone in the MA community of a witchunt against him and his style. He defends him bestowing himself with a 10th dan, and makes grandiose claims of future glory for his style.
Title: Re: Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 13, 2013, 10:46:15 pm
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I had a awful experience with the Rocky Mountain Mystery School. The head of the school, Gudni Gudnason, performed a scapegoating ritual on me. It's true they hook you on fears that they create for you and they are secretive and controlling and full of lies. Gudni called me to one of their seminars saying that he wanted me to do a certain class and when I got there, I was singled out and victimised and a devestating ritual was performed on me.

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After my experience I was told that I had a psychotic episode and that the police were called in (complete bullshit) and was also sent a nasty lawyers letter when I retaliated where they threatened my job as well. And I know that this was communicated to others as well, part of the ritual scapegoating set up but who really gives a shit.

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More broadly, the school uses all its members for their purposes rather than train them in their own best interests. It demands loyalty and allegience to the leader and not to your own conscience. Although, like all cults, it treats it's recruiter types very well.

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?5,49713,64565 (http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?5,49713,64565)

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Yes, its been over a year. But yes, actual black magick was performed on susan. I remember the ritual quite clearly.

Prior to the ritual, yes, psychological scapegoating was performed. Never measuring up, etc. But that ceremony seemed to have been her(Susan's) breaking point. And I do believe it was black magick

Just to continue. The Rocky Mountain Mystery School is now known as Modern Mystery School, or MMS or Golden Pyramid of Peace.

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?5,49713,page=2 (http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?5,49713,page=2)

Title: Re: Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 13, 2013, 11:46:59 pm
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Solomon’s mysteries eventually passed, by oral transmission, to a certain American Indian chief, who gave them to Gudnason. "Finally, Gudni had all the knowledge," Shaye explains. "He and the Native American met one time, either in a park or a graveyard–I don’t remember which. They hugged, and that was it. That was the transfer.


http://web.archive.org/web/20120212025421/http://www.nypress.com/article-5063-gods-swat-team.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20120212025421/http://www.nypress.com/article-5063-gods-swat-team.html)
Title: Re: Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Autumn on June 13, 2013, 11:50:36 pm
Such a busy guy and there is so much written about him that is disturbing.

This is interesting wording for products he is selling:

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From the works of ancient alchemy to the cauldrons of shamanism, we offer creams and other products that are all natural and sure to satisfy the senses.

http://officegudnason.com/

Here is the Board for his New Paradigm Council (I am not familiar with most of them, but some of them are questionable):

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Being a collaboration of unique and thought provoking individuals, our core council is the guiding force of our vision and direction. The core council consists of:

    Segu Krishna Ramesh MD, Zero Point, Dubai
    Gabriel Cousens MD, Nutrition, USA
    Konstantin Korotkov PhD, Science/Spirit, Russia
    Masaru Emoto PhD, Message from Water, Japan
    Kampon Sriwattanakul MD, Stem Cell, Thailand
    Tadashi Mitsuo MD, Rejuvenation, Japan
    Natsu Watanabe MD, Vibrational Medicine, Japan
    Mantak Chia Grand Master, Daoism, Thailand
    Gudni Gudnason, Science of Consciousness, Japan
    Ann Donnelly MD, Alternative Medicine, UK
    Dr. Theresa Ibis, PhD, Science of Consciousness, USA
    William Shwetzer MD, Functional Medicine, Thailand
    Alfredo Sfeir-Younis PhD, New Economy, Chile
    Don Miguel Ruiz, Toltec Medicine Path, USA
    Dr. Nassim Harramein, Physics, USA

Working together, we are bringing ideas to the forefronts of society. We're introducing new ways of thinking and new but practical approaches to how to deal with the problems that exist today. The main philosophy is that the future is already here. The peace we seek is already present. We just need to start living in the now and in doing so, transforming our personal lives.
(Bolding Mine)

http://new-paradigm.net/new-paradigm-council-0 (if you check the links on this site under Affiliates, they all seem to be his own ventures)

And here he is in 2011 hob-knobbing with Olivia Newton-John:

http://www.alchemyconference.com/index.php?option=com_content&id=193
Title: Re: Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: ShadowDancer on June 14, 2013, 12:22:18 am

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He was an athlete, mostly doing martial arts that lead to his participation in several movies as a stunt man. The most prominent of these was Where the Raven Flies, an Icelandic Viking saga.

According to the IMDB, the movie was actually titled "When the Raven Flies" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087432/).  It was released in 1984.  The box office take to date is SEK 1,477,673 / $227,860 / 170,554 €.

He has apparently recently become involved as a producer in some projects.  One released Sept 2012, "Beyond the Trophy" which is available on torrent sites.  There are no box office receipts information available on any of the tracking sites.

He is also producing and acting in a movie project rumoured to be released later in 2013 called "Paradi$e", in the role of Kokopelli.

His profile on IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1866102/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1866102/) belies the statement of being in multiple films as a stuntman.







Title: Re: Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 14, 2013, 01:45:32 am
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He has instructed the Body Guards of His Holiness The Dali Lama.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080116020206/http://www.fratergedrm.com/gudni_gudnason_ritualmaster.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20080116020206/http://www.fratergedrm.com/gudni_gudnason_ritualmaster.html)

This thesis "Spiritual Business? A Critical Analysis of the Spiritual Therapy Phenomenon in
Contemporary Japan" has some interesting material on him http://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/1375/1/Gaitanidis_I_Modern_Languages_and_Cultures_PhD_2010.pdf (http://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/1375/1/Gaitanidis_I_Modern_Languages_and_Cultures_PhD_2010.pdf)

His prior wife is Eleanor (Laurie) Gudnason

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Lady Eleanor found her teacher, Dr. Bob White Eagle in 1990, and began an 11 year relationship with this remarkable Native American Medicine Man. Seven of these years were as an apprentice learning the Universal Teachings Dr. Bob offered her. Lady Eleanor was trained as a dreamer.  Other terms for dreamer are seer, channel, or oracle.

http://inspiritusweb.wix.com/inspiritus#!teachers (http://inspiritusweb.wix.com/inspiritus#!teachers)

http://www.7thmysteryschool.com/index.htm (http://www.7thmysteryschool.com/index.htm)
Title: Re: Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 14, 2013, 01:56:00 am
DR. BARON GUDNI GUDNASON VON THORODDSEN (Ph.D.) is a spiritual alchemist and teacher. He began his quest for deeper knowledge as a young man and at an early age was initiated into the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn in England. He continued his study of the Hermetic teachings at a secret school in Salzburg, Austria, that taught alchemy in the old way; a Christian Kabbalah school in Bern, Switzerland; a Kabbalistic alchemy school in Madrid, Spain; an astrology school in Cairo, Egypt; a shamanic alchemy school near Alexandria; a Tantric school in the Congo, at other esoteric schools in Romania and Sweden, and studied other traditions at several schools in Tibet, India, and Japan. He also studied the ways of traditional human culture and was awarded degrees in business and psychology, and he is the recipient of many humanitarian awards. After 16 years of study, Gudni founded his own school and is now a respected international teacher of the Hermetic arts. Rocky Mountain Mystery School, 83 Galaxy Blvd. Unit 3, Toronto, M9W 5X6, Canada (Phone: 416-625-3470). World Headquarters: Rocky Mountain Mystery School International, Honbu Dojo, 3-31-11 New Life Center, Nishiwaseda Bekkan 2nd Floor, Nishiwaseda, Shinjuku-Ku, Tokyo

http://alchemyconference.com/archive/2007/bios.htm (http://alchemyconference.com/archive/2007/bios.htm)

Just a few of the many business names and domains he's been responsible for, most don't exist anymore:

Satori Investment Group
PARACELSUS RESEARCH SOCIETY
ANTIAGINGPRODUCTS.ORG
themusictemple.info
arcadianlife.org
7minutespeace.info
icelandtravel.org
finalfrontier.org

He and Laurie were based in Utah, they divorced in 2006.
Title: Re: Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 14, 2013, 02:27:17 am
One of the millions of things his group teaches is "Twelve Races", you can get certified to teach this.

http://www.mmsintadmin.com/certified-lists/ (http://www.mmsintadmin.com/certified-lists/)

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Today we live in a world where the old mythology is coming back to life - in the most popular of Books, TV, & Film we are seeing a re-emergence of the old people....the Elves, Faeries, Mermaids, Gypsie, Vampires and more. Is this all fantasy or is it something more?

Mystery Schools have always known about these other beings, sometimes referred to as the 'Elemental' people.

12 Root Races
On this planet there are many other races than just the Adamic seed or the Humans as we know them. There are Twelve Races that live and breathe on this planet and many are living within our societies, knowing exactly what they are, and hiding within plain sight. In the past, these beings lived openly and in harmony with Humans each serving a purpose that benefited the evolution of humanity.

http://www.meetup.com/The-Modern-Mystery-School-Group-of-Los-Angeles/events/76671652/ (http://www.meetup.com/The-Modern-Mystery-School-Group-of-Los-Angeles/events/76671652/)

Earlier, Theosophical version of "Root Race" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_race (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_race)

Lots of talk also of something to do with "DNA Activation", no clue what that is.

Title: Re: Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Autumn on June 14, 2013, 03:10:43 am
Lots of talk also of something to do with "DNA Activation", no clue what that is.

I know!  I know!   ;D ;D  You gave the link yourself, Piff, earlier in this thread:  http://web.archive.org/web/20120212025421/http://www.nypress.com/article-5063-gods-swat-team.html

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What, I wanted to know, is the story with DNA activation? Shaye explained that it’s a sacred inheritance from the ancient Egyptian priest class.

"We all have 24 strands to our DNA structure. Those 24 strands are contained in 12 codons. Each codon has two strands. So we go in with a special instrument that has a very powerful crystal on the end of it, that can put a great deal of light into a small space. We go through the etheric body–we don’t touch the physical body. It’s behind the neck area. And we light up each of the codons... And it’s just an incredible thing. At that point you get all of the benefits that are contained within your DNA, which is improved health. You use more of your brain, you actually become smarter, the chatter in your head goes away, the drama in your life disappears."
Title: Re: Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Autumn on June 14, 2013, 03:52:55 am
Here is the Facebook page for the MMS:  https://www.facebook.com/modernmysteryschool

And YouTube Channel:  https://www.youtube.com/user/ModernMysterySchool?feature=watch

Notice how his biography changes over the years.  This is an older version:

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For over fifteen years Gudni was taught directly from the Masters of the Mysteries and he now shares this with all those who choose to explore this arena. Gudni moved to America in 1995 and met his wife Laurie Secrist Gudnason, a Metatron channel, and they now run the work together. The Gudnasons are a dynamic duo and they have worked rigorously on spreading the mystery school tradition all over the world. They have centers now all over the United States, Japan, Canada, Philippines, India, England, France and Sweden.

The lineage and authority of Gudni Gudnason are as follows: Gudni "Ged" was born Baron Gudni "Ged" Halldor Gudnason von Thoroddsen, Knight of the Eagle Vale Clan, a Baron of the lineage of King Vladimir Valdimarson of Denmark (anon 1000 ad), initiated into the lineage of King Salomon with priesthood powers from High Priest Melchizedek, (this was done in the great pyramid of Giza) guardian of the secret of the Holy Grail and authorized to do the work by the Hierarchy of Light in all manner with the highest powers given to a human.

The lineage of the Rocky Mountain Mystery School goes back to King Salomon and has therefore over 3000 years history and lineage. The mystery school tradition is much older then that but this is a validation to the background of this school and the materials being taught. The teachings of the mystery school are the same as they have been for the last 3000 years or more. This is the core of a mystery school and the work is conducted by the hierarchy of light. The founders of a mystery school are in constant contact with the hierarchy and specially the Masters of Light. The work is therefore conducted without ego and decisions are made according to the highest good of all people. The tradition of the mystery school is that of optimism and joy, abundance and peace of mind. These are taught in many different ways within the lore of magick. Such is the light and such is the life of those who live in the light.

http://debba95949.tripod.com/our_history.htm
Title: Re: Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Autumn on June 14, 2013, 04:49:36 am

His prior wife is Eleanor (Laurie) Gudnason

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Lady Eleanor found her teacher, Dr. Bob White Eagle in 1990, and began an 11 year relationship with this remarkable Native American Medicine Man. Seven of these years were as an apprentice learning the Universal Teachings Dr. Bob offered her. Lady Eleanor was trained as a dreamer.  Other terms for dreamer are seer, channel, or oracle.

http://inspiritusweb.wix.com/inspiritus#!teachers (http://inspiritusweb.wix.com/inspiritus#!teachers)

http://www.7thmysteryschool.com/index.htm (http://www.7thmysteryschool.com/index.htm)

I was fascinated by Dr. Bob White Eagle and was trying to find out more about him, but couldn't find him on the internet.  It is interesting what she says about him in an apparently earlier post:

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Laurie found her teacher, Dr. Bob White Eagle in 1990, and began an 11 year relationship with this remarkable Native American Medicine Man.   Seven of these years were as an apprentice learning the Universal Teachings Dr. Bob offered her.  Laurie’s training with Dr. Bob was similar to the teachings revealed in the works of Carlos Castaneda, an American Anthropologist.  Laurie was trained as a “dreamer’.  Other terms for dreamer are seer, channel, or oracle. 

Dr. Bob felt that teaching non-Indians the sacred medicine path was not appropriate.  Instead of medicine ceremonies, Dr. Bob trained Laurie in Channeling, out of body healing and etheric surgery, and the American folk magick tradition that is called Hoo Doo.  These Universal Teachings are the same teachings of power offered by the secret and sacred schools of light that exist in every culture, country, and within every group of the human family.  Today, Laurie draws from the teachings and 11 years of journals she kept during her time with Dr. Bob.   This training is the foundation of all that Laurie offers!

http://thespiritualmysteryschool.com/schools.html
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: educatedindian on June 14, 2013, 01:15:29 pm
Moved to Frauds, though there's certainly plenty more to be researched. This many insane claims and lies, plus abuse of followers, make it an easy call.

DNA has 46 pairs of strands, not 24 like he claims.

That dissertation describes a pyramid scheme with followers paying thousands and pushed to form a franchise to make their money back and recruit others. Was that your experience also?

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The largest and most popular of these schools seems to be the Rocky Mountain Mystery School (RMMS), with which eight of my informants are connected.

The RMMS has two headquarters in Japan (Tokyo and Osaka), and 11 others at locations around the globe (U.S.A, Canada, Ireland, U.K., Sweden, Taiwan, South Africa, the Philippines and Singapore). In the past three years, Japan has become the centre of its activities, since the headmaster and co-founder of the school, a certain Gudni Gudnason, divorced his business partner, Eleanor Gudnason (who three years ago opened her own school in Tokyo, called 2nd Ray Mystery School) to marry one of his Japanese students.
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Gudni Gudnason, born in Iceland, claims to have been a member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (a British magical order founded in the early 19th century and revived in the late 1970s) and a master of universal kabbalah73, Celtic shamanism and ritual magic. According to my informants his rituals and teachings are impressive to watch and he has been a regular presenter at the yearly Alchemy Conference. Rumour has it, however, that Gudni was a failed martial artist in his native country, who, after meeting his wife, Laurie, a successful businesswoman and experienced channeller, became interested in the New Age. Together they established what resembles a spiritual business version of a pyramid scheme. Indeed, all initiates must go through a two-day programme to understand the basics of the RMMS cosmology at a cost of ¥55,000. At that point everyone is strongly encouraged to become a teacher, after spending a total of ¥58,270 on preliminary classes, which will enable them to teach the adept programme to others; but for every newly formed adept, they will have to pay ¥5,000 back to Gudni. Of course there are several types of teacher certificates, each with the necessary preliminary classes, and each allowing the newly qualified/graduated teacher to hold identical classes at his own healing salon with the obligation to attend a monthly meeting at the Tokyo headquarters and pay royalties for some of the sessions owned by Gudni. Finally, once the rank of Guide is reached (with the option of becoming Ritual Master in between), the RMMS member will be able to teach any course figuring in the RMMS curriculum, which at the moment includes 30 with new ones being introduced every year.
The official website of the RMMS reports that as of February 2008, 4,412 Japanese had become adepts and 80 certified Guides teach RMMS classes nationwide.

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A 26-year old woman, who had just reached the Guide rank in March 2009, reported that by the time I interviewed her, in mid-April, five of her clients had completed the adept programme. RMMS Ltd declares a capital stock of ¥10 million and held its 7th Healing Convention in May 2009, which I estimate to have been one third of the size of the aforementioned supicon (see figure 4.1).
Title: Re: Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Ingeborg on June 14, 2013, 01:44:07 pm

Here is the Board for his New Paradigm Council (I am not familiar with most of them, but some of them are questionable):

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Being a collaboration of unique and thought provoking individuals, our core council is the guiding force of our vision and direction. The core council consists of:

    Segu Krishna Ramesh MD, Zero Point, Dubai
    Gabriel Cousens MD, Nutrition, USA
    Konstantin Korotkov PhD, Science/Spirit, Russia
    Masaru Emoto PhD, Message from Water, Japan
    Kampon Sriwattanakul MD, Stem Cell, Thailand
    Tadashi Mitsuo MD, Rejuvenation, Japan
    Natsu Watanabe MD, Vibrational Medicine, Japan
    Mantak Chia Grand Master, Daoism, Thailand
    Gudni Gudnason, Science of Consciousness, Japan
    Ann Donnelly MD, Alternative Medicine, UK
    Dr. Theresa Ibis, PhD, Science of Consciousness, USA
    William Shwetzer MD, Functional Medicine, Thailand
    Alfredo Sfeir-Younis PhD, New Economy, Chile
    Don Miguel Ruiz, Toltec Medicine Path, USA
    Dr. Nassim Harramein, Physics, USA

He gathered a nice crowd of usual suspects, alt-medicine frauds, pseudo-scientists etc:

Cousens – claims he can cure severe diseases with a special diet, founded Nuage religion „Essene Order of Life“.   Has had at least one death occuring due to Cousen's „therapy“ on his premises in Arizona, more fatal cases due to patients relying on Cousen's nutritional recommendations for diabetics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Cousens

Korotkov – claims to have invented aura-photography and to be a professor at St. Petersburg University and at a Holos University.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography

Emoto – studied political science, is an inventor. He promotes several Nuage theories, e.g. water crystals have a memory. Emoto is a member of Karin Tag's fake Council of World Elders.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_Emoto

William Shwetzer e.g. advertises as a „holistic doctor“ and cooperates with Mantak Chia (an article written by Shwetzer is published at Chia's website).

Sfeir-Younis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Sfeir_Younis
An ex-World-Bank employee turned „spiritual leader and healer“. President of the Zambuling Institute for Human Transformation in Washington D.C.


Miguel Ruiz – a shame-on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_%C3%81ngel_Ruiz

Nassim Haramein – promoter of so-called Pre-Astronautics, claiming the planet Earth has been visited by aliens who colonized it. Haramein developed a so-called Unified Field Theory allegedly merging Einstein's Relativity Theorie with Quantum Mechanics and Sacred Geometry. He is often described as a renowned physicist, but there are no entries on him in the „Web of Science“, and he does not publish a Curriculum Vitae.

Catchwords like „rejuvenation“, „vibrational medicine“, „nutrition“, „alternative medicine“, and „functional medicine“ suggest Nuagers, too.

Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 14, 2013, 03:17:43 pm
He really has the cult leader's rap down. He says and writes things to scare people and bring them in closer, then says he's not a leader, there are no members, and that anyone can leave at anytime. Classic.

Plus he says they are not a cult. Most cult leaders at some point take this criticism on and use it for their own benefit. "Oh no, we are not a cult, you can leave any time. We are your family, here, have a brochure, sign on the dotted line.".

His group reminds me some of the  Ramtha cult (Ramtha's School of Enlightenment, "ancient mystery school") based here in Washington state.

So much fear mongering, controlling, emotional manipulation, and lies.

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This article is written in the hopes that you may understand why people chose to learn from a Mystery School and why this is not a cult, which so many people fear.

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We are a school and people come to learn from us and then they can leave any time at the end of their seminar, if they so chose. There are no members here!

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In the last year we have had some turmoil in the organization. In the wake of my divorce many have taken up an attitude against or for. Some have decided to live in negativity and judgement.

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So it is VERY important that these handing downs are done with TRUE AUTHORITY and that they are coming from a master with TRUE LINEAGE.

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In the wake of my divorce there are those who are teaching and handing down TOOLS which they are not authorized to do. This means that they are creating darkness and evil in peoples' lives and not Light like they say.


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UN-AUTHORIZED TEACHER DOES DNA ACTIVATIONS AND OTHER SERVICES TO CLIENTS= THESE CLIENTS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UNDER A BLANKET OF DARKNESS AND NOT LIGHT

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ONLY GUDNI GUDNASON CAN HAND THESE DOWN!

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The ones that are doing this work are doing it from PURE GREED and not from PURE SERVICE. No one can truly doubt that I am not doing true service, you only need to look at my schedule to see that for the truth.

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This is the time when Satan will try to stop us and stop the work as much as he can. He will convince you that there is no need for temple work and the Higher Magick

http://gudnigudnason.blogspot.com/ (http://gudnigudnason.blogspot.com/)
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?5,49713,51613 (http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?5,49713,51613)




Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 14, 2013, 03:42:07 pm
He's involved in so many business ventures, including the sales of water, claimed to be alchemically something or other from Iceland.

http://www.alchemyguild.memberlodge.org/Resources/Documents/IAG%20Bulletin%2011.12.2010.pdf (http://www.alchemyguild.memberlodge.org/Resources/Documents/IAG%20Bulletin%2011.12.2010.pdf)

Wonder about this charity: https://gpop.new-paradigm.net/donate (https://gpop.new-paradigm.net/donate)
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 14, 2013, 03:50:36 pm
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he received the Business Man of the Year award in the US where he attended a White House Dinner with the President of the US.

http://www.alchemyconference.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=96 (http://www.alchemyconference.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=96)
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 14, 2013, 04:28:31 pm
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And Gundi lives a lavish life with his young pretty Japanese wife whilst his ex-wife runs another cult the 7 Rays School all the same shit as her ex-husband again another charlatan at work. These people have lavish lifestyles don’t think they live in poverty. Please don’t be a mug take it from someone who went there they are robbing you and you may even go insane with some of the rituals they pass through you and they send spirits to watch you!!! You will go mad trust me if you dont know what its about. Its a bit like black magic they know what your thinking and when your down they prey on you – like oh you need a healing, a dna awakening!!! They are messing with your spirit, trust me if you tell anyone normal they will think you are mad and that’s because you are going mad. I know I’ve been there but luckily my spirit kept telling me what there doing is wrong.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/01/11/the-modern-mystery-school-yes-it-is-a-cult-they-initiate-you/ (https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/01/11/the-modern-mystery-school-yes-it-is-a-cult-they-initiate-you/)
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 14, 2013, 04:38:26 pm
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I was in a tough spot mentally and emotionally when I first found MMS. They told me they could teach me about magic, self healing, and healing others. They also said that studying with them would increase my ability to make money, and that they needed me to help them fight evil ect…. But they made it sound nicer… They made a lot of promises that they never delivered on.

They use techniques mostly along the lines of having older students tell you how much better their life is, or how important the work is. They get the group to agree, making it seem like you are either stupid or evil if you dont. Then they tell you about all the classes and healings you need to buy to become a whole/healed person. They also bash most other schools or groups that teach healing/empowerment ect. It seems exciting when youre in it, but looking back, I wonder what I was thinking – I wanted to believe it so bad, that I ignored warning signs – because what kind of decent person would rip others off and lie to them like that?

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/gudni-gudnason-stay-away-from-the-brain-stay-in-your-heart-recipe-for-making-a-m/ (https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/gudni-gudnason-stay-away-from-the-brain-stay-in-your-heart-recipe-for-making-a-m/)
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 14, 2013, 04:50:47 pm
His wife, Eiko http://eikosworld.com/en/index.html (http://eikosworld.com/en/index.html)
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Odelle on June 14, 2013, 05:28:45 pm
According to his Facebook page, they have a Modern Mystery School in Toronto:
From May 19th:

"Happening today@ Modern Mystery School in Toronto: Creating your magickal grimoire! The last seminar here in Toronto where I put all the magick I know into it Your grimoire is your source of power!"

Last seminar--until the last, last seminar.

He is apparently also a DJ. Makes it sound like the Tokyo school is more of a club.
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 14, 2013, 07:14:32 pm
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I was really concerned druing the May 5th event last year. I am worried there might be a mass suicide or something really insane like that. MMS is very active in my area. One of the top teachers lives here. I am part of an Ecstatic dance community and MMS wanders in from time to time to advertise their events. I just watch and listen. Honestly, they just give me the creeps.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/gudni-gudnason-stay-away-from-the-brain-stay-in-your-heart-recipe-for-making-a-m/ (https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/gudni-gudnason-stay-away-from-the-brain-stay-in-your-heart-recipe-for-making-a-m/)

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Remember they will have taken a minimum of $2000 off each of the 500 or so people that are there, that adds up to $1,000,000. They will also have been profiting from the uniforms (note all but Gudni, Dave and Hideto are wearing the same outfit with the Warriors of Light logo on it).
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 14, 2013, 11:41:01 pm
As Autumn noted, there is interesting wording for some of the products he sells. Any of us researching him and his billions of organizations and co-frauds and followers probably should be aware they might end up coming across malware or porn.

Gudni Halldor Gudnason, born 9 May 1958, very likely in Iceland. His current wife is at least his third.

Many former students write of being basically driven crazy by this man and his group. Students are taught to believe that demons are persecuting them and that they can only be safe by taking more courses.

"Third steppers" apparently are those higher up in the group.

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My travels will take me all around the US to such places as: The East coast; New York with Lorraine Hendrich, Hannah Bajor, Chip Thermer, Gretchen Thermer, Sandra Reed at the helm, Florida with Lani Flemming and Laurie a dynamic duo. The West coast; LA with John Evans, Elizabeth Selden and Thad Carlson that have opened a fantastic new center and store in down town LA and of course, Seattle with Verla Wade, Theresa Bullard and their incredible team. Then we have Toronto under the leadership of Dave Lanyon and his team who have been the driving force in our North America operations/oversight

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?5,49713,51613 (http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?5,49713,51613)

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Modern Mystery School's international administration located in Toronto, Canada.

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In the event that a legal dispute is required, all cases shall be determined in a court of law located in Utah, U.S.A. In any case, the court's decision shall be final, and judgment may only be entered in a court of law located in Utah, U.S.A.

http://modernmysteryschool.com/terms-and-conditions (http://modernmysteryschool.com/terms-and-conditions)

Some of the many many companies he's created may be shell companies used for financial fraud.

I bet being involved in these groups is exhausting. Very high demand groups, people are pushed to take more and more classes, do more rituals, and Gudni himself keeps writing about how very busy he is (as if this is proof that he is a good guy who is working so hard to serve us all).





Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Autumn on June 15, 2013, 12:18:46 am
He's involved in so many business ventures, including the sales of water, claimed to be alchemically something or other from Iceland.

http://www.alchemyguild.memberlodge.org/Resources/Documents/IAG%20Bulletin%2011.12.2010.pdf (http://www.alchemyguild.memberlodge.org/Resources/Documents/IAG%20Bulletin%2011.12.2010.pdf)

Wonder about this charity: https://gpop.new-paradigm.net/donate (https://gpop.new-paradigm.net/donate)

I disagree about the selling of water, although the wording is confusing.  When you go to the Alkemistinn site, all they sell are skin care products (which Gudni has on his own site), plus tea.  They do need the pure water of Iceland, however, in order to manufacture the products, since they have a high water content.  Here is a video stating that and discussing the manufacture of the Alkemistinn products:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPqTSTbHldQ

As for the charity, it appears that they helped out after the Japan earthquake and they even had Olivia Newton-John and her husband urging people to send donations:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDRcaw5mHkw  At the time of the video, they said they did not have non-profit status, so to just give "out of the goodness of your heart", but I think they are registered now as a non-profit in the state of California. 
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 15, 2013, 01:41:19 am
I think you're right Autumn, I was mistaken about the Alkemistinn products. Looks like the company is one thing, the founder's involvement in the International Alchemy Guild another.

I do wonder about Gudni's Azoth Laboratories, Japan, an "alchemy lab" in Tokyo.

With the charities, I'm suspicious. Even if they are doing some charity work, helping people, enlisting celebs, I guess I just don't trust the core group of people.

That charity is registered. But I don't know that registration is a guarantee that they are actually a well run, legit charity.

Entity Name:   GOLDEN PYRAMID OF PEACE, INC.
Entity Number:   C3273248
Date Filed:   02/08/2010
Status:   ACTIVE
Jurisdiction:   CALIFORNIA
Entity Address:   4551 GLENCOE AVENUE, SUITE #300
Entity City, State, Zip:   MARINA DEL REY CA 90292
Agent for Service of Process:   RACHEL STILWELL
Agent Address:   C/O GLADSTONE MICHEL WEISBERG WILLNER &, 4551 GLENCOE AVE. #300
Agent City, State, Zip:   MARINA DEL REY CA 90292
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 15, 2013, 02:25:42 am
GOLDEN PYRAMID OF PEACE, INC. http://rct.doj.ca.gov/MyLicenseVerification/Search.aspx?facility=Y (http://rct.doj.ca.gov/MyLicenseVerification/Search.aspx?facility=Y)

The "Founding Documents" accessed through the link above has lots of info on their stated mission. Records also useful for all the names of officers.

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To help people achieve balance in their lives after natural disasters and wars, and promote public awareness of the importance of inner peace that in turn manifests peace and stability in the world, by conducting free of charge to everyone multi-cultural educational programs, concerts and other public events that are open to all persons to attend, regardless of their age, gender, religion, creed or national origin

This bit makes me wonder. Could this charity be a front for their group, a recruitment tool? This charity and many if not most of their businesses could be legit, as in properly registered and all, but used for fraudulent purposes.
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Odelle on June 15, 2013, 06:10:45 am
It seems like a franchise: people can just open up chapters wherever.

From a statement by Martina Ruddock Dublin, Ireland
 CEO for Europe and the HQ is in Ireland, to the website, Dialogue Ireland, which "is an independent trust that works to promote awareness and understanding of New Religious Movements and cultism in Ireland."

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"....
There is no one GREAT LEADER who is the end all and be all of the school and its beliefs. The school is composed of many, many Master Teachers from all walks of life and backgrounds in many different spiritual teachings, who have come to agree on the basic principles and understanding of the lineage and the teachings of the school. So there is no venerated leader sitting on high in which to ‘obey’.
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We do not control or manipulate students sleep patterns or eating habits in any way shape or form. This is a SCHOOL. You come to class and learn and go on breaks and do whatever you want, just like any other school on the planet.
We do not attempt to control people’s choices in what they do with their life including their love life, family life, personal career choices, etc.
We do not ask, demand, hint, suggest or recommend in any way shape or form for our students to surrender their personal property, possessions, houses, furniture, cars, first born or anything else to be given to the MMS. In fact we have never taken these things (except normal payment for classes) and we never will as it goes against everything we represent and believe.
We do not want students to ‘hang around’. We are not your family we are teachers and administrators. Once you have finished your class or a major program we ask you to return to your ‘normal’ life and apply whatever new understandings or skills you have learned in MMS. Most do, however it’s your choice and your FREE WILL to act upon this.
We are not exclusive in a system or belief in GOD. In other words, we do not believe there are only ‘one or two ways’ in which to connect to the divine. Although we teach many different ways to connect and work with the energies of the divine we do not attempt or desire you to stop doing what works best for you and your own personal connections. This being said we have many people from numerous spiritual/religious backgrounds including numerous forms of Christian, Buddhist, Islamic, Jewish, Shamanic, Pagan and Hindu belief systems. Each student takes the new pieces of information they have learned and applies it to their own personal belief system to help enhance their personal connection to the divine.
We believe primarily in FREE WILL and kindness to all people, animals and all living things in general. Kindness, acceptance, and compassion above all else. In our modern age there is NO excuse by any person, country, group, organization, corporation, religion, etc, to be inhumane to another human being, whether based on political, moral, personal or spiritual grounds, period.
And lastly… just ask any of the 20,000+ students  in over 36 countires world wide who have attended our classes their opinion and you’ll find FREE WILL is tantamount to their lives!"

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2011/11/17/the-modern-mystery-school-formerly-the-rocky-mountain-mystery-school/
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Autumn on June 15, 2013, 02:16:40 pm
Thanks, Odelle.  Wow!  Is this doublespeak or what?

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The school is composed of many, many Master Teachers from all walks of life and backgrounds in many different spiritual teachings, who have come to agree on the basic principles and understanding of the lineage and the teachings of the school. So there is no venerated leader sitting on high in which to ‘obey’.

So, you all agree on the "lineage" and "teachings" but you all have different backgrounds and teachings???

I agree with you, Piff, in being very suspicious about the nonprofit's real intentions.  This reminds me of what Kathryn said in the Little Grandmother thread.  So many of these people give with one hand, while taking with the other, and they all seem to do it while hiding behind a nonprofit status.  Personally, I think the government should take a long, hard look at what these nonprofits are doing.  Of course, it could all be perfectly "legal" and the only chumps are the people who donate to the charities while getting a tax write-off for their donations.
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 15, 2013, 03:00:00 pm
That "There is no one GREAT LEADER" passage and the rest are from The Modern Mystery School FAQs http://modernmysteryschool.com/content/faqs (http://modernmysteryschool.com/content/faqs), rearranged a little.

Here is Marina Ruddock's site http://martinaruddock.com/ (http://martinaruddock.com/)

About the FAQs, this bit "What are some things MMS doesn't do?" - so specific, they definitely are talking about cult accusations here. Point by point they are trying to deny cult accusations. But their words are not to be trusted.

The Awakening the Goddess Women’s Temple  a certified teacher in Seattle WA http://vanessanova.net/goddess-temple/ (http://vanessanova.net/goddess-temple/)

Gudni says his group is different from "modern New Age teachings" because his group has a lineage and initiations.

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In the Modern Modern Mystery school, as you progress, you receive a series of physical initiations. These initiations make the difference between just knowing the information and having the authority to use it. The initiations we conduct literally bring down Light and the authority from the Divine to conduct this universe according to the Laws of God and the Laws of the Universe. By receiving an initiation you are in fact becoming a true light worker in every sense of the word.

http://modernmysteryschool.com/content/faqs (http://modernmysteryschool.com/content/faqs)

And you have to get these initiations (and pay handsomely for them) from him or his approved people.



Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 15, 2013, 03:12:23 pm
More graphics from his FB page, he sure likes the exclamation points.

The hokey Gudni in lab coat image is of what he claims is his "Azoth Alchemy Lab".

Many of the graphics have the same style, I assume Gudni does these himself as there is one dedicated to his wife on his FB, and she herself has an entirely different style.

Speaking of her style http://eikosworld.com/ - she's all about the faerie princess, and sells clothing, jewelry, and an entire "concept".
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 15, 2013, 03:19:03 pm
I'm uploading more graphics and photos from his public FB because they say a lot about how he operates.
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 15, 2013, 03:32:14 pm
Here's the class progression students are supposed to take http://modernmysteryschool.com/path-progression (http://modernmysteryschool.com/path-progression)

First they have to get a Life Activation (formerly called the DNA Activation) http://mms.new-paradigm.net/life-activation (http://mms.new-paradigm.net/life-activation)

One of the courses that can be eventually taken:

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Native Shamanic Studies

From the mists of time, the ancient native discovered how to maximize human abilities of mind and spirit for healing and problem-solving. These ancestors were called shamans and medicine men or women, and their ancient teachings remain with us today. Native Shamanism is a deep course of study that is broken down into several classes and, should the student choose, it can last decades to study. Each level of the teachings/classes take you deeper into yourself and your power, revealing to you the mysteries of the Universe and how to work with them to flow your life more smoothly.

http://modernmysteryschool.com/description/mms-courses (http://modernmysteryschool.com/description/mms-courses)
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 15, 2013, 05:31:42 pm
More on their "Native American Elder" origin myth:

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When Gudni recieved 'the keys' to anchor the energy of this school from the Native American Elder ... Ok, let me back up... a particular native tribe had been holding the keys and 'running the school' as a part of the inner wisdom of their tribe's medicine ways... so it was not an 'open' 'school' - it was a innertribal initiation process from the time it was handed down to them from King Salomon until 1995 when they handed it over to Gudni so that he could 'teach the white man the inner secrets' - which they, by tribal laws, were not permitted to do. Because Gudni was trained at one (or more) of the other 6 schools he did not need to recieve any 'teachings' to be able to anchor this energy. The tribal laws were honored as the Natives 'taught' him nothing they simply 'handed over the keys'. When this happened the Native Elder was very concerned that we (the white people) would disconnect from the importance of the Rocky Mountains (the region these natives had settled for the past 3,000 years and it was in these mountains that the energy is anchored. This connection and reverance for these Mountains was concidered very important by the Natives and the elder voiced this as his only concern in 'handing the school over'... So Gudni Suggested he Name the School "The Rocky Mountain Mystery School" so that we would always remember and connect with them.

http://7thmysteryschool.tribe.net/thread/89882f45-c186-4530-8b94-ee2d37ed1b16 (http://7thmysteryschool.tribe.net/thread/89882f45-c186-4530-8b94-ee2d37ed1b16)

http://7thmysteryschool.tribe.net/ (http://7thmysteryschool.tribe.net/)

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The keys to this school were handed down to Gudni by a Native American Shaman, thus creating a full circle in the linage that ties together the Western Mystery Tradition with some of its originating indigenous roots. According to tradition, key representatives for the indigenous people of North America (Turtle Island) were among the many who gathered in King Salomon’s Temple over 3000 years ago. So these people were the ones who held the keys to the 7th Mystery School, located on this continent, for thousands of years. By uniting with the Western Mystery Tradition in 1995, these teachings have now become available to the majority of the population who live on this land - prior to 1995, only a full-blooded native could receive the inner teachings and higher initiations from this mystery school.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/09/prweb437173.htm (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/09/prweb437173.htm)

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In 1996 Gudni was summoned to North America to take over the leadership of the MMS. He was handed down the leadership of the school in an ancient native ceremony and since then Gudni has served as the catalyst to take these teachings out to the public, both in North America and around the world.

http://www.mmscanadianhq.com/what-is-a-mystery-school/ (http://www.mmscanadianhq.com/what-is-a-mystery-school/)



Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: ShadowDancer on June 15, 2013, 05:56:30 pm
When I read the excerpts being quoted I read nothing but irrational, illogical, nuage babble.  It is interesting and sad that so many people cannot parse this as they become his followers.  :o
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 15, 2013, 06:01:49 pm
Listened to part of an interview with Gudni from 2006. He says he was born with an identical twin, the twin died at birth, and Gudni spent the next 10 years with his (dead) twin. That he learned things from the "other side" during this time.

Then when the twin went away, Gudni was depressed and wanted to die. He was raised in the Lutheran church and no one would listen to him when he talked about what the angels had taught him.

When he was 13 he knew he had to share his knowledge with the world. He studied and traveled, studied with Golden Dawn in England, Sai Baba in India, and he was always told that he needed to take what he was doing world wide. In the 70s he was told to take the "tool of Kabbalah" and teach it, do seminars. He had a Kaballah center in Sweden for 9 years.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080704170433/http://www.mysteryschoolnw.com (http://web.archive.org/web/20080704170433/http://www.mysteryschoolnw.com)/
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 15, 2013, 06:08:50 pm
When I read the excerpts being quoted I read nothing but irrational, illogical, nuage babble.  It is interesting and sad that so many people cannot parse this as they become his followers.  :o

Yeah, and they spend so much money and time learning to talk and think like this.

Apparently the babble pulls them in, they want to understand and "evolve", they want to be like Gudni and his wife (or how they appear to be).

Ideally everyone would instead laugh, point, and run the hell away from Gudni. Especially when he claims that he lived with his dead twin brother for ten years, channeled Merlin, trained bodyguards for the Dalai Lama etc. etc.
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Autumn on June 15, 2013, 10:46:27 pm
Piff, several places I have also seen him claiming a Ph.D.  Do you know anything about that?  Somewhere I read that it was in metaphysics, but I doubt if they give out Ph.D.'s in metaphysics, but that could just be my "common sense" kicking in again on me (it is such a curse  :D :D).

I suspect it is just more of his "creative writing" that so many of the people we research on this forum seem to be so good at doing.
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 16, 2013, 12:37:46 am
Piff, several places I have also seen him claiming a Ph.D.  Do you know anything about that?  Somewhere I read that it was in metaphysics, but I doubt if they give out Ph.D.'s in metaphysics, but that could just be my "common sense" kicking in again on me (it is such a curse  :D :D).

I suspect it is just more of his "creative writing" that so many of the people we research on this forum seem to be so good at doing.

I think he has a Ph.D. in B.S. :)

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Gudni has a Doctoral degree in Metaphysics and a Degree in Psychology. He won the Swedish Artist of the Year Award, Poet of the Year and Businessman of the Year. He has been awarded The International Peace Prize for Humanitarian Work from the United Cultural World Society.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070112231104/http://mysteryschoolint.com/gudni_gudnason_ritualmaster.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20070112231104/http://mysteryschoolint.com/gudni_gudnason_ritualmaster.html)

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Because we are not able to be certified or registered by a governmental body in no way reduces, removes or negates the level of expertise or knowledge our Master Teachers have obtained through years of diligent study. Our Master Teachers continue to teach students all over the world and are the equivalent of any ‘Masters' or 'Doctorate' level professional.
http://modernmysteryschool.com/content/faqs (http://modernmysteryschool.com/content/faqs)

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He himself has excelled in Painting, Sculpting, Poetry, Writing Books, Sports, Martial Arts, Humanitarian Work, Film (as a stunt man), Dance, Philosophy, Psychology, Archeology, Sociology, Mythology and many other disciplines of humans.
http://www.universalkabbalah.net/GudniGudnason (http://www.universalkabbalah.net/GudniGudnason)

Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 16, 2013, 01:17:18 am
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But that’s not the end! In this $650 class (you also have to have a $150 Life Activation first), you will also be hearing commercials about the other services your life wont be complete without! You need King Solomon healing – $1500, and Mind Region – $2500. Then you need to do Sacred Geometry, Astral Travel, and Empower Thyself 2 – $80, $80, and $350. Then you need to do Know Thyself – $1000, and Kabballah – about $3500+ after all the fees. Then you get to fly to Toronto and pay for a plane ticket, hotel, Healers Academy – $2000, TAN – $500, Ritual Master 1 – $2500, Warriors of Light – $1000+, Enochian and Osiris Temple – $800-1000, plus buy all the mandatory outfits and ritual items – about $1000 all together…. And at that point, you have only wet your toes in their most basic classes – for about $22000-25000 all together. That’s just a couple months of basic stuff – to become a Guide and 3rd step RItual Master, that will be about another $20,000+ (at least), and then you get to pay for a class called Mage – about $3000-5000 each class (a couple times a year, every year!). Even though you payed for all these classes, you still need to pay for TAN and temples, and flights to Toronto and Japan, otherwise, you arent certified by them, and no longer able to teach or do healings for them (the spirits only work your magick when you pay them!). And of course, after that, you can pay for Gudni’s Ancestral Healing ($5000 a person) and channeling school, and tarot school…..
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/11/29/the-modern-mystery-school-empower-thyselfa-reply-from-our-pin-master/#comments (https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/11/29/the-modern-mystery-school-empower-thyselfa-reply-from-our-pin-master/#comments)

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In one of the classes I took from the MMS the teacher said that the training would change a person and that the people you have relationships with would do one of two things. Either they would come along “kicking and screaming” or they would leave. If the relationship ended, is was probably just as well, since it must be “abusive”.

Your loved ones “kicking and screaming” or leaving must mean that your are getting along grandly in your spiritual development. That is just more justification for hanging in there,

If you believe this, chances are you will still be in the school slamming your money down, while the life around you falls apart. God knows how many people have put their families through hell because of their participation in these programs.
https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/gudni-gudnason-stay-away-from-the-brain-stay-in-your-heart-recipe-for-making-a-m/#more-6528 (https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/gudni-gudnason-stay-away-from-the-brain-stay-in-your-heart-recipe-for-making-a-m/#more-6528)

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In theory, I could care less what sex lives people have, though i probably expected more, given what MMS was proclaiming to be about publicly,with my good name backing it up. (Eventually, I did hear some stuff that grossed me out, but fine, to each his own.) I do hold G responsible for abusing trust.

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I once had the impression that G was collecting people who had been abused

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I thought I was paying for the whole program when I plopped down my $2500.00. But then I was told there would be study groups at 20.00 per session once a month. There were also “highly recommended” healing session, two of those. One was $150.00 and the other 100.00. Then I was told about the “retreat expenses” which were $350.00. Then there were the study guides at 10 or 20.00 per book. By the end of it, who knows what this would have cost.

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Perhaps they ought to change the name to Metaphysical Multilevel Marketing School. That would be more honest.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/cult-magical-mystery-tour-or-marks-of-a-genuine-mystery-school-from-comm2post/#more-6468 (https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/cult-magical-mystery-tour-or-marks-of-a-genuine-mystery-school-from-comm2post/#more-6468)
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 16, 2013, 02:42:51 am
Gudni Gudnason cranks out endless nonsense.  He appropriates, twists, and trashes every possible culture he can find. And it looks like he is raking in a lot of $.
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 16, 2013, 01:54:49 pm
If anyone wants to purposefully go crazy, join this group. Gudni outright tells people that they are crazy and also that he is going to lie to them. Then he and his staff proceed to drive people actually crazy.

People are told that they have a specific angel identified with them, that must then possess them, and that they must channel. They are told that there are dark forces at war with them, they need the group for protection, and that any doubt or questioning comes from Satan.

Bliss out experiences are created. People are put into trances, told to spin and dance and chant, they are told that they are special, important, and about to learn the secret.

Regularly there are scapegoating "explusion" rituals that cast out group members. So after all the manipulation and exhaustion of a high demand group, a person can find themselves cast out in a dramatic event. Their spiritual family, those that they believe are core to their survival and the survival of the planet, expel them in a ritual very dramatic public fashion.

Former members describe being totally gutted, feeling suicidal. Devastated financially.

I've been looking over the group for a few days, kept thinking I would find the "end" of the available info online, but it looks like it actually is just about endless. Gudni and his group scam many people and many of them then go out and create their own franchise. Gudni is making $ and leaving a wake of damaged people and lives.

And if anyone complains, Gudni can say "I told you that I would lie to you.".

Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Autumn on June 16, 2013, 03:58:27 pm
Thanks, Piff.  Yes, it is disturbing, disturbing stuff.

I wanted to point out that one of his former pupils no longer follows him.  This is Sondra Shaye, who you referred to in an earlier post.  http://web.archive.org/web/20120212025421/http://www.nypress.com/article-5063-gods-swat-team.html

This is what she said then, which confirms what you mentioned from the interview he did:

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"He was born without any veils, which means he can see all the dimensions. He was born with a twin brother who died 30 minutes after birth–because the brother was so advanced that he only needed 30 minutes on the planet." But Gudnason stayed in contact with his dead sibling. "He grew up with his brother. And his brother brought him all of these ascending masters to teach him, his whole life." Gudnason also used to "sit with Merlin, in physical form, and Merlin would teach him all of these amazing metaphysical things."

Although she still seems to offer some things that were inspired by him, such as etheric surgery and DNA activation, she does not mention him or the Modern Mystern School on her website.  http://lifechanginghealingcenter.com/index.html

Her guide now is Derek O'Neill and O'Neill and and his charities are almost the only ones who show up on her links page.  http://lifechanginghealingcenter.com/links.htm

I did listen to an interview she did with Lilou Mace in August 2011 (everyone is probably familiar with her.  She did the interview with Little Grandmother where she asked her about all the controversy concerning the fraud charges against her and LG said "I just don't care!").  In the interview, she talked about how she got from being a lawyer to making a living as a healer.  In it, she talked about going to the New Life Expo and getting a DNA activation and then taking classes from the "school", but nowhere in the interview does she mention Gudni nor the school by name, but she did talk a lot about Derek O'Neill  http://lifechanginghealingcenter.com/Lilou.htm

Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 16, 2013, 05:39:48 pm
Thanks Autumn. So she left Gudni and is now following Derek O'Neill, she and Derek both being devotees of Sai Baba. O'Neill sounds like a real winner too.

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All Rising Star teachers and More Truth Will Set You Free facilitators have been trained and initiated by Derek O'Neill. Practitioners of the Rising Star and Prema Birthing modalities have been trained and initiated by qualified teachers who hold the lineage of these powerful healing systems and are certified to initiate others.

http://www.sq-wellness.com/find-a-healer/ (http://www.sq-wellness.com/find-a-healer/) So O'Neill has a franchise system too.

Sondra Shaye, when part of Gudni's group, said she was a "ritual master" in the "high council of Gor". There are others out there that use this terminology too:

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Sas and Marvin  have both been initiated as Adepts, Teachers and Guides in the  Brotherhood and Sisterhood of Light and Ritual Masters in the High Council of Gor  and the Rocky  Mountain  Mystery  School. They are both Kabbalists. Sas is also a Certified Reiki Master, and High Wicca Priestess.

http://www.diamondlighthc.com/about.html (http://www.diamondlighthc.com/about.html)

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Your application is overseen and processed by the Ritual Master Teacher (Gudni Gudnason) who consults and takes directive from the High Counsel of GOR.

http://www.mmscanadianhq.com/programs/ (http://www.mmscanadianhq.com/programs/)

Gudni might have independently made that name up. Or he might be a fan of these popular cheesy alternate-world sex novels https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gor). Some fans of the books even say they live the Gorean lifestyle in actual life. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4996410.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4996410.stm)
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Odelle on June 16, 2013, 11:09:46 pm
Ha! He's also on Twitter, of course:
https://twitter.com/gudni2013

He's not especially active, however. It mentions an event in Japan, the Lake Biwa Event, from March 2010, where a bunch of people got together to meditate and pray for the lake's ph level to improve. I guess it didn't work, since they haven't tried it again.

He's clearly a gifted organizer, and probably makes the bulk of his money from events like the Lake Biwa thing. He also seems to now stick (mostly) to fantasy novel-sources for his religion, probably because J.R.R. Tolkein and whoever's descendants have better things to do than track him down and ask him to stop profiting off of their creations. But the fantasy aspect of it just makes me wonder, how can anyone see this as anything other than a joke? I don't get it at all. He's still using real traditions, to ground his fantasy crap in reality, which is why he's on newagefraud.org.


Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 17, 2013, 01:58:54 am
He also seems to now stick (mostly) to fantasy novel-sources for his religion

I think this is key, I think we're researching a big fraud who lives his life as if he is in a big fantasy game, a live action role play, drawing from myriad sources, and making things up just like a game master seated at a table with friends and dice, or out running around pretending to be vampires and faeries.

Fantasy and sci-fi, trance/house music dance culture, pseudo martial arts, plus rip offs of anything he can find.

Apparently he is charismatic. He's able to talk a big game, manipulate and abuse people.

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The invented lineage is full of holes and it is annoying to constantly hear name dropping and links to other validating groups (Golden Dawn, Native American, etc.) when so much is made up. Maybe all of it.

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The infidelity scandal I witnessed, the sexual opportunism and “tantra” #@$&-o-rama are practically a new-age cliche’. Whenever a man or group-within-a-group get too much power and adoration… when has sexual opportunism NOT become a part of it? Yuk.

http://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/04/25/gudni-gudnason-otherwise-known-as-frater-geds-may-5th-manifesto/ (http://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/04/25/gudni-gudnason-otherwise-known-as-frater-geds-may-5th-manifesto/)



Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 17, 2013, 02:27:53 am
Gudni talks about Healing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o4RgOqLN2o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o4RgOqLN2o)

Gudni Gudnason Interview - 3 Magic Words Movie London Premiere https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxZsgZPCaWs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxZsgZPCaWs) You can see him using a charismatic personal style in this
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Wakalopi14 on June 24, 2013, 10:32:54 pm
After reading some of these posts, does anyone really need to ask if this guy is a fraud?
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 26, 2013, 07:56:36 pm
This essay concerns fake kabbalists in the orthodox Jewish world, some of this definitely applies to Gudni too:

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True mekubalim (kabbalists) through the ages have condemned the practice of 'selling' spiritual remedies. This includes such great rabbis as Hakham Yishak Kaduri (1899-2006) and Hakham Yisrael Abuhatzeira (the Baba Sali 1890-1984), who never sought monetary reward for any advice, discussions or prayers with a person. These men strove to hold by every word (usually in the strictest manner) of the Shulhan Aruh (Code of Jewish Law). Therefore, anyone who seeks monetary gain through hocus pocus, which the Shulhan Aruh says does not affect the Jewish people--is by all means a charlatan.

The Talmud tells the Jewish people that over 2,000 years ago, Rabbi Hanina Ben Dosa was said to perform great miracles. He was able to tell sick people if they would live or die. Yet, it is written that his wife used to complain that there was nothing to eat in the house. Unlike all the so-called 'kabbalists' that are rampant today, the much venerated Rabbi Hanina Ben Dosa did not take a cent for his deeds.

http://www.alfassa.com/kabbalah_conmen.html (http://www.alfassa.com/kabbalah_conmen.html)

Gudni will try to side step this by claiming that he is teaching " 'True Kabbalah' where there is no dogma".

He claims b.s. like this:

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In this lecture GudniGudnason will for the first time in his long life as a Metaphysician, reveal this code and show the formula for all to partake of. He has been studying and teaching Kabbalah for over 35 years and has studied the ancient documents in their original languages. This will be an amazing moment in time as it is the time of No More Secrets and it is time for this secret to be revealed! At this lecture all participants will learn how to activate their human codex and become a Active Human Being in the Light and therefore start their ascension into the Tree of Life.

http://www.alchemyconference.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=96 (http://www.alchemyconference.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=96)

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studied the ancient documents in their original languages

Does he really have this ability?

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Universal Kabbalah in contrast to Jewish Kabbalah

Kabbalah can be studied from many perspectives including Jewish, Christian, Egyptian, Gnostic, Sufi, Hermetic, Universal, and many others.  The Universal perspective is pure in that it utilizes all aspects of the Kabbalah without the dogma or religious focus of individual traditions.

This bit is really insulting. "Universal perspective" is "pure"? Meaning Jewish is not? Culture, traditions, scholarly learning and community = "impure" "dogma"?

http://www.universalkabbalah.net/vs_jewish_kabbalah (http://www.universalkabbalah.net/vs_jewish_kabbalah)

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Kabbalah is the fastest way for westerners to achieve enlightenment. It is designed for and by the western mind, helping us to go further in balancing our spiritual and cultural genetic aspects.

http://www.universalkabbalah.net/what_makes_us_unique (http://www.universalkabbalah.net/what_makes_us_unique)
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on June 26, 2013, 08:44:33 pm
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The teacher, Gudni Gudnason, is a Celtic Medicine Man. Gudni learned this Magick from some very special ladies during his training at the British Mystery School. These ladies were genuine Wicca Priestesses. Gudni's intent is to pass this Female knowledge on to you

http://www.thelivinglightfoundation.com/classesSpells.php (http://www.thelivinglightfoundation.com/classesSpells.php)
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Defend the Sacred on June 26, 2013, 08:55:49 pm
Holy crap.

Wicca isn't Celtic. Celts don't/didn't have "Medicine Men." "Magick" is a Crowley spelling, again, with nothing to do with anything Celtic.

And if this wasn't already screaming fraud, a big, gigantic red flag is any man who says he's going to teach "fertility Magick" to women.

Bad, bad scene.
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Odelle on June 28, 2013, 07:12:50 pm
"Fertility magick"? Unicorn sweatlodge samurai tantra? That is pretty concerning. Where is he doing this, Kathryn? Maybe one strategy is to list all the locations and dates of classes on this forum so that people doing innocent Google searches on specific events will have a chance of getting to see this site.
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Defend the Sacred on June 29, 2013, 09:55:33 pm
All I know about what he's doing is in the links that were posted.
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Odelle on July 01, 2013, 03:58:34 am
Here are some more links:
http://www.universalkabbalah.net/GudniGudnason
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The Power of Alchemy

LEVEL 1 WORKSHOP
Sat & Sun, July 13-14, 2013 from 11am – 8pm
Seattle, WA
Open to All

What secrets of transformation does Alchemy hold?

 
    The tradition of Alchemy has long held the secrets to transformation, accelerated evolution, achieving your true potential, longevity, beauty, innovation, health and healing, sexual ecstasy, true wealth, scientific discovery, perfecting nature, and much more.

If you would like to…
• Learn powerful techniques that create true and lasting change in your life
• Harness the forces within you to get the results you desire and deserve
• Access your whole-brain, to heighten your intuition and stimulate your creativity
• Break free from limitations and dead weight that hold you down
• Unleash your true potential and masterfully manifest your dreams and goals
• Be spiritually connected and still live a modern lifestyle
• Turn the “lead” of your life into “gold”

…then this workshop is a must! Participants will come to a greater state of wholeness and completion through the alchemical process, with a whole new level of consciousness awakened within.

Directly experience the effects of Alchemy in your own life and be able to create positive transformation within just 2 days.

In this Alchemy (Level 1) workshop you will receive both information and practical exercises to elicit positive transformation and consciousness expansion, including:
? Foundations of Alchemy
? The 7 Hermetic Principles
? The 7 Stages of Transformation
? Role of Kabbalah and the Tree of Life in Alchemy
? The Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismagistus
? Practical Tools and Methods for create positive change in your life
? The Importance of Alchemy in our Lives Today

Format: 2-day hands-on workshop that is the first level of a series of Alchemy trainings in the Modern Mystery School. There are no pre-requisites for this class. Open to all levels.
 
The goals of perfecting nature and the self are achieved in Alchemy through a very specific and intentional process of 7 stages of transformation and purification. In this workshop we will explore each of the 7 stages through experiential exercises, guided visualizations, and hands-on processes accompanied by the soundscape of specially selected music. As we complete the transformative journey through the 7 stages of alchemy we reclaim the “Gold” within ourselves.
 
Participants will experience a greater state of wholeness and completion through this process, with a whole new level of consciousness awakened within.

Directly experience the effects of Alchemy in your own life and be able to create positive transformation within just 1 day.
 
Date: Sat & Sun, July 13-14, 2013
Time: 11am – 8pm
Location: TBD, Seattle, WA
Investment: $650 (TAN discounts apply)
Early Registration Offer: $575 with $250 deposit received by June 13th
Otherwise a deposit of $150 is required by July 6th to register and reserve your seat.
 
He teaches classes on Kabbalah along with Verla Wade and Theresa Bullard

He's on blogspot:
http://www.gudnigudnason.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: Gudni Gudnason & Rocky Mountain/Modern Day Mystery School
Post by: Epiphany on July 21, 2013, 03:21:42 pm
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"Fire Soul Infusion & Activation"
Level 5 Sacred Geometry Healing 

 For the First-Time in So. Cal. we are offering a Special Group Healing Session to our community on Friday, July 26th from 7-8pm

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This session opens up the inner gates of your soul, reminding you more of your divine nature. It is a physical activation that helps integrate your mind and body more fully. As these gates open up, awareness and perception may be increased. Sacred symbols that activate the "Fire Soul" are etherically woven in to your energy structure. Activating the "Fire Soul" is the first step to truly awakening the Kundalini.

Special offer - only $100 per person. And it is strongly recommended that people have paid for a lot of other stuff prior.

http://www.universalkabbalah.net/node/977 (http://www.universalkabbalah.net/node/977)

Here is the image they have for this event notice - looks like a mighty uncomfortable experience.

Title: Re: Derek Oneil and SQ-Wellness PART 1
Post by: mtf on May 25, 2017, 03:23:42 am
 Here are some truthful facts about Derek O’Neil,
> his healing systems, his early workshops from over
> a decade ago, and some information regarding his
> original financial supporters—most of who left
> him years ago. This truthful information is for
> anyone wanting to know about Derek O’Neil so
> they can learn for themselves versus all the hype
> from his cult-like followers, as well as Derek’s
> own lies. The following is a long read, but
> contains factual information.
> 1- Prema Agni healing modality:
> Derek publicly proclaimed in his early workshops
> (2003 thru 2008), that Sathya Sai Baba was his
> spiritual master-teacher, and that this is how the
> prema angi healing symbol came about. Derek claims
> he was at Sathya Sai Baba’s ashram in India and
> that during that time he had dreams of a healing
> system. Derek claims he drew a sketch of this
> symbol he dreamed of (the prema agni) and then
> went to see Baba to ask Baba about the symbol.
> Derek says when Baba came up to him, Baba said
> aloud to everyone there, the words; “Give me
> prema agni!”. Derek says he then took the prema
> agni drawing out of his pocket and gave it to Baba
> who then held it up and blessed it, and then gave
> it back to Derek.
> So, is this true about the prema agni healing
> system and what Derek claims Sathya Sai Baba did
> in public at Baba’s ashram in India? Here are
> Baba’s own words on people who proclaim that
> Baba has endorsed them, or their healing modality,
> or that they have any special relationship with
> Baba, or that they are Baba’s direct envoy, or
> that Baba has bestowed upon them any special
> healing gifts or powers.
> Words of God: The Sai Avatar on Himself - Part 8
>
>
> "... I do not use others as My media; I have no
> need to...."
> "...nor do I hand over powers to anyone..."
>
> ?... Talking of faith, I must issue a warning.
> Many people are collecting money in various places
> using My Name for various purposes like arranging
> receptions, building mandirams, doing puja etc.
> That is unauthorized and against My Wish and
> Command. Do not yield to such requests and
> encourage this practice which I condemn. Then
> there is another set of people who trade on your
> faith. They advertise that I have 'possessed'
> them; that I am 'talking' through a medium or a
> stove (!) or some other thing. Treat all such
> people and their agents or brokers as you treat
> cheats; if you do not treat them so, then you are
> also accomplices in the cheating process. ??There
> are others who gather groups of followers and
> admirers and collect money exhibiting some idol or
> image that has been 'given' by Me or advertising
> some other sign of My Grace. Some of them even
> declare, "Sai Baba sent me to you to take from you
> some money" or "Sai Baba has given me this" or
> "Sai Baba blessed me specially thus and thus" and
> then ask for your help or your praise or your
> purse! I ask you to chastise all these types of
> men and turn them away - whoever they are. ??There
> are again some others who are swept off their feet
> by hysterical demonstrations by certain
> weak-minded Individuals, which are described as My
> speaking through them or acting through them! Take
> it from Me, I am not given to such absurdities!
>
> I do not use others as My media; I have no need
> to. I do not swing from side to side and prattle!
> ??.... Their gestures, words and actions are
> hollow and vain; those who burn incense before
> them and revere them are turning away from Me and
> running after Falsehood. ??..... For, how can the
> Full ever dally with the paltry and wear the
> habiliment of the trifling? When God has come
> assuming Form, take it from Me, it will not fill
> inferior vessels or embellish tawdry stuff or
> enter impure bodies .??..... I know there are some
> who proclaim, "Devotees have grown out of all
> proportion in these parts and so, Baba has
> allotted this region to me and directed me to take
> up the work of teaching and guiding you; so,
> admire my acts and adore me". I never allot in
> this manner, nor do I hand over powers to anyone,
> nor can such low minds deserve my Grace. No,
> never, For me who has the burden of the Universe,
> can a region or a few more devotees be too much? I
> am surprised at the stupidity which swallows such
> absurdities and flocks round these pitiable
> quacks.....
> - Sai Baba
> (http://www.saibabaofindia.com/words_of_god_8.htm)
>
>
> The only person Sathya Sai Baba has ever publicly
> endorsed, as well as publicly signed their healing
> teaching book—and this can easily be verified by
> many devotees at Baba’s ashram in India, is
> Phyllis Krystal.
> (http://www.phylliskrystal.com/469.html)
> I have not come across nor found one long-time
> Sathya Sai Baba devotee who resides at Baba’s
> ashram who has been able to verify Derek’s above
> claim.
> Knowing all this, who would you now believe?
> Derek’s own spiritual master, Sathya Sai Baba, a
> Being who is globally recognized to be
> God-Realized with over 100million devotees? Or,
> Derek O’Neil, an ordinary person who is a self
> proclaimed master healer, and whom Sathya Sai Baba
> never once publicly declared was Self-Realized,
> let alone a master healer? Common sense, wisdom
> and critical thinking say we believe Sathya Sai
> Baba. So now we know Derek for what he is, a liar
> who was and still is, cashing in on his
> relationship to Sathya Sai Baba for his own
> financial gains.
>
> 2- Rising Star healing:
> Derek claims in his own words: “The Rising Star
> healing symbol incorporates but is separate from
> the Prema Agni symbol. Keeping in mind the Prema
> Agni symbol and adding to it the seal of Solomon
> and the Avatar, brings this healing system to the
> highest vibrational level.”
>
> Here again, since we now know the prema agni
> symbol is fake and was never endorsed by Sathya
> Sai Baba as Derek claims, what then does that make
> the rising star healing system? And what exactly
> IS the energy of rising star, and where does it
> originate? Since Derek is lying about the prema
> agni healing modality and his claims of Sathya Sai
> Baba blessing it, how can Derek be trusted?
> Therefore, who in their right mind would want an
> energy healing system of unknown origins placed
> within their energy field that is based on a
> fraudulent lie?
>
> 3- Karnak Initiation into the Great White or Gold
> Brotherhood:
> Here again, Derek publicly claimed (2007-2008) His
> Holiness Sathya Sai Baba gave Derek an updated
> energy ability to give this karnak initiation to
> people completely anew. Derek showed around a
> supposed piece of paper with Baba’s supposed
> handwriting on it to everyone as Derek’s
> so-called proof. This paper is also what Sondra
> Shaye would show to all who attended her karnak
> initiation(s) workshops.
> Again, this energy cannot be trusted because it
> was not given by Sathya Sai Baba which once again
> begs the important question, just where and what
> IS this energy, and is it really safe to have put
> into your energy field? And once again, why has
> Derek deliberately lied to everyone about it?
> Derek NOW CLAIMS on his own website 2017
> (https://www.derekoneill.com/rising-star-healing-s
> ystem/); “The Rising Star is an extraordinarily
> powerful system sourced from an ancient Tibetan
> lineage.”
> So, what are we to believe? First, the rising star
> and prema agni were given to Derek by Sathya Sai
> Baba and blessed by Baba, but currently it is now
> a so-called system sourced from an ancient Tibetan
> lineage? Btw, what Tibetan lineage—he fails to
> state even that, from what lineage of Tibetan
> monks—where’s this proof? It seems Mr.
> O’Neil cannot get his story straight about his
> own so-called energy healing systems and where
> they originate. Makes you wonder about him and
> what he is really selling, making him highly
> suspect, dubious in nature and far from
> trustworthy.
>
> 4- Prema Birthing:
> Derek initiated prema birthing to only a few
> people in (2006) in an Ireland Workshop. At that
> workshop, Derek told these few people they could
> practice the healing modality as well initiate
> others into the prema birthing healing modality as
> teachers of that modality. Both Sondra Shaye and
> Brook Still were two of those people from this
> original group. However, by June 2008, Derek
> suddenly announced that only he could initiate
> anyone as a practitioner/teacher, and that prema
> birthing modality had to be re-initiated to
> everyone in a New York City workshop by Derek
> himself, and only then could anyone who attended
> this workshop be a practitioner and/or
> teacher-initiator. Here it seems as though MONEY
> was the IMPORTANT factor, otherwise, why this
> change to what Derek did and said in the Ireland
> Workshop? What excuse did he give to justify this?
> If Derek did it wrong in Ireland, then he had an
> obligation to fix it for free, or refund everyone.
> Same for Sandra Shay and Brook Still, and all the
> others who conducted any prema birthing healings
> or teacher initiations—they should have
> reimbursed everyone they did a prema birthing on
> since Derek declared it null & void. Or, Derek
> should have given the workshop in NYC for free.
> But this did not happen. No one got refunded,
> instead, Derek charged everyone again for what
> they had already paid for—minus a very very
> small discount to those already initiated. But
> everyone had to fly to New York City—spend even
> more money, instead of Derek travelling to at
> least the west coast--LA as well since so many
> people were located there. Obviously there is
> something very wrong going on here. There was zero
> integrity on Mr. O’Neil’s part for taking
> responsibility for his obvious screw-up regarding
> prema birthing healing energy and his ‘need to
> correct it’ at everyone else’s expense.
>
> 4- A Healing Car Ride for $10thousand US dollars.
> Derek used to charge people $10,000US dollars for
> a 3-day car ride that he claimed would help them
> awaken to their true self. Derek would openly brag
> to attendees in his workshops that ‘most of the
> people who signed up for his three day ride
> healings never lasted all three days’, or that
> ‘most people who got into the car with him,
> never lasted more than 1 hour’. And he would
> smile and laugh at this.
>
> SOME FACTUAL PAST HISTORY and PAST WORKSHOP NOTES
> 2006 Summer Ireland Workshop:
> It was at this workshop that a majority of the
> people who had been with Derek O’neil from the
> very beginning, and who had financially supported
> him, his prema agni foundation, as well as gave
> huge donations to Derek so he could buy a healing
> center, all left Derek and his organization for
> good. Why? See the first *Note below.
>
> 2006 Fall Spokane WA workshop:
> In this workshop, Derek publicly displayed his
> abuse of his siddhis (supernatural psychic
> abilities) in the workshop in the following two
> ways:
> 1- Jodi, a yoga instructor and follower of
> Derek’s, got up and came to the mic and asked
> Derek for a healing. Derek told her to walk to him
> and when she did, Derek hit her with so much
> energy that she collapsed right to the floor.
> Fortunately Jodi was not injured when she fell
> flat on the floor, passing out cold. Derek claimed
> he opened one of Jodi’s nadis. Jodi remained out
> cold, lying on the floor for quite some time, and
> no one went to see if she landed ok and had not
> hurt herself in the fall. Not even Derek checked
> on her wellbeing after she fell.
> 2- Amalia Mayita Mendez came up to the mic and
> asked for a healing. What Derek did was
> deliberately shoot a specific energy vibration her
> way that purposely caused Mayita to have an orgasm
> in front of everyone there. Mayita moaned and
> groaned loudly as she put her hands all over her
> body while people simply watched and said
> nothing.
> Immediately after this workshop, many financial
> supporters from Spokane WA who attended this
> workshop, including the Spokane organizers, and
> who from early on, also had financially supported
> Derek and his prema agni foundation, quit
> afterwards and left the organization for good.
> This is understandable after reading about
> Derek’s behavior. Derek has been known to slam
> people with energy so that they physically or
> mentally freeze on the spot, at which time Derek
> then verbally chimes in saying what he wants to
> (his agenda) regarding the person he just
> energetically abused.
> *NOTE: The prema agni foundation was founded in
> 2006 and registered not in Derek’s name, but in
> Sondra Shaye’s name in New York--Sondra's legal
> last name as registered is Shaievitz, see website
> link
> (https://www.corporationwiki.com/p/2d48h0/office-o
> f-the-trustee-of-the-prema-agni-foundation-and-his
> -s) and
> (http://www.trademarkia.com/logo-77162189.html).
> However, the prema agni foundation was quickly
> dissolved in 2008. Now why was that? After all,
> this was the major nonprofit foundation Derek set
> up with his wife Linda with their stated mission,
> purpose, etc.. Might it be because Derek was being
> sued by some of the original people who
> financially supported and funded him, but who
> after his 2006 Summer Ireland Workshop, followed
> by the 2006 Fall Spokane workshop, now wanted
> their money back? Why did they demand a refund?
> They were rightfully angry because Derek lied and
> went back on his public promises to them regarding
> what his healing center would be in Ireland that
> he wanted to buy using their large financial
> funding (Per Derek words, Creacon Lodge cost
> roughly 7.5million Euros), as well as Derek now
> incorporating all the healing modalities and
> changing everything (announced in the 2008 Spring
> NYC Workshop--the prema agni foundation was shut
> down and Born Free Now was set up). It is highly
> probable the PA Foundation was dissolved so that
> Derek could move all his monies out the prema agni
> foundation and either into the Born Free Now
> Organization--this would make it practically
> impossible for anyone suing to collect any monies
> from a non-existant company, or from Derek
> himself. Or, Derek placed the funds someplace
> else, or emptied the account funds into also
> paying for Creacon Lodge.
> NOTE: In the Spring of 2008, Eric, a man from
> Montana, USA, who gave generously to Derek to fund
> Creacon Lodge, and who was a RS teacher, etc, sent
> an open email to everyone involved with Derek at
> the time. This email spelled out what Derek had
> lied about and why so many people who had financed
> Derek and been with Derek from the beginning, had
> since left because they all knew Derek was not
> trustworthy and that Derek had lied to them by
> going back on his word. Many people had been
> approached by Derek into being pressured by him to
> fund him, Creacon Lodge and PA Foundation.
>
>
Title: Re: Derek Oneil and SQ-Wellness PART 2
Post by: mtf on May 25, 2017, 03:27:21 am
*NOTE: Derek had told people, as well as told
> Jonathon and his wife Jennifer, that the healing
> modality he had given only to them to use to heal
> other people, they should never use on each other
> to heal. However, one time they did, and next
> thing people knew, Jonathan and Jennifer were
> divorced—Jonathan left Jennifer to go work for
> Derek and run Creacon Lodge in Ireland. So again,
> what was the energy of this healing
> modality—helpful or hurtful and deceptive? It
> needs to be said here that Derek used to brag to
> workshop attendees that he hung up two hooks that
> were for people to put their marriage rings on
> because many attendees would no longer be married.
> This speaks to volumes to Derek’s agenda and how
> he mis-uses his siddhis to take and get from
> others no matter what the harmful costs are to
> those involved. He has used his siddhas to try to
> separate wealthy couples and then prey on the
> weakest divorcee in order to get them to
> financially fund him. Just one example: one woman
> left her wealthy husband and moved to Ireland with
> her young son and spent her wealth supporting
> Derek. She even paid for 3 $10,0000 car rides with
> Derek. What this shows is how Derek preys on the
> weak and needy and has no remorse doing so.
>
> 2007 Summer Ireland Workshop:
> At the end of this workshop, Jonathan, who had
> left his newly married wife and moved to Ireland
> to work for Derek, handed out a 25page contract
> that Derek demanded everyone sign. Originally, all
> there was, was a simple 6-page contract up to this
> point that people who had been initiated into any
> of the healing modalities had to sign. So why this
> radical change? This was because Derek knew in
> advance he was about to change everything on
> everyone, and part of that change was to claim
> legal ownership of the healing modalities and all
> copyrights and trademark rights, etc, plus he
> could dictate how and where any of it was used.
> Whereas previously Derek had publicly stated you
> cannot patent or copyright God’s works or
> gifts.
>
> 2008 February New York City 2 Day Workshop:
> Everything changes. In this workshop, Day 1 at a
> church, Derek announces that he is now changing
> the name of his organization to Born Free Now
> Foundation. He said that this was his plan all
> along for what he was going to do.
> H’mm, really? It is fair to say then that Derek
> had, up to this point, intentionally deceived and
> betrayed everyone, except for Sondra Shaye who was
> in on it, about what he was really up to and was
> really going to do versus what he publicly had
> promised everyone previously for years. This was
> not what Derek told to all the original financial
> supporters/donators who were with Derek from the
> beginning. Derek’s workshops went from being
> spiritual to being financial money making
> workshops, all the while exploiting those who had
> come to them previously. Again, Derek said that
> this was his plan all along, that the BFN
> Foundation will now charge everyone who practiced
> any of his healing modalities a yearly membership
> fee at various levels, and if you were a more
> truth will set you free workshop instructor, part
> of that fee you charged for giving your mtwsyf
> workshop had to go back into Born Free Now, and
> any advertising brochures you wanted for holding
> your own workshops, you now had to buy directly
> from BFN and pay for. Derek also said at this
> workshop “he can walk into anybody’s office
> and just touch them to make them give money to
> him.” So now we know for certain that that was
> part of his plan for growing his BFN
> Foundation—using his siddhis to take and steal
> from people unbeknownst to them. Derek basically
> told everyone, yet few paid attention to this,
> that he has no problems taking money from people
> by using his siddhis (supernatural psychic
> abilities): “he can walk into anybody’s office
> and just touch them to make them give money to
> him.” This is further proof this man has no
> truthful ethics or morals and has no issue
> stealing from people, therefore, by his own
> admission he cannot be trusted.
> Another interesting item to note here is that
> SQ-Wellness’s mission statement is very similar
> to what the Prema Agni Foundation mission
> statement was—about what Derek and Linda were
> doing, their plans for the Foundation, etc. You
> could say it was a cut and paste job from the old
> PA Foundation website to the new BFN-SQ-WELLNESS
> website. Once again, it begs the question; what
> was the reason for dissolving the Prema Agni
> Foundation since in fact it’s mission was/is the
> very same mission as SQ-Wellness’s current
> mission? Very possibly it was because Derek had
> lied to everyone previously, took their donations
> under false pretenses, and started a new company
> with new rules and regulations for the healing
> modalities so Derek could avoid getting sued or
> having to pay out any funds if he lost. Derek
> could also now claim full ownership and collect
> whatever fees he wanted to charge for these
> healing modalities, and any and all related
> merchandise created and sold went to him and his
> organization.
> Gone as well were almost all references to Sathya
> Sai Baba or Mother Ammachi, or other known
> spiritual masters who were an integral part of all
> the previous workshops Derek held. Derek’s
> organization became a money-making energy healing
> organization with a non-profit--feed the poor side
> car thrown in to make him look good in public—a
> shiny public spin-face on it for him and his huge
> spiritual ego. In all of Derek’s early years
> workshops, he had chairs for Sathya Sai Baba and
> Mother Ammachi with Baba’s rob on Baba’s chair
> and pictures of them both on their corresponding
> chairs. There was also a place for pictures of
> other spiritual masters on a large table. But now
> all this was / is gone because Derek is far more
> interested capitalizing on the highly profitable
> marketability of New Age healing and wellness.
> A NOTE on the 2 major Ireland Workshops held each
> year: Derek would wait until you arrived in
> Ireland for this weeklong workshop, and then on
> Sunday night at the short 2-3hour meeting before
> the start of the weeklong workshop, Derek would
> publicly announce to all the attendees that: “he
> is not responsible for anything that goes on in
> his workshop, but that you, the attendee, are
> responsible. And that if you want to leave, you
> should leave now, but you will not get
> refunded.”
> Why Derek would not state this upfront, include
> this very important and pertinent information as
> part of the workshop advertisement—have it on
> the email or the advertisement about the workshop
> before you sign up and pay for it, speaks volumes
> to the man’s untrustworthiness. Because what
> Derek is saying here and telling everyone, is that
> he is going to energetically manipulate
> everyone’s energy using his siddhis, and do
> whatever Derek wants to do because he has his own
> agenda, and not be responsible for anything he
> does to any of the attendees. If people knew this
> important information before signing up for the
> workshop, anyone with common sense would never
> attend his Ireland workshop. So why did Derek feel
> the need to deliberately keep this important
> information out of his workshop advertisement? Why
> the purposeful deception until the last minute?
> And it is DECEPTION that IS DELIBERATELY DONE.
>
> Creacon Lodge, the beginning years:
> In the early days, Derek set Creacon Lodge up to
> be like an ashram based on Sathya Sai Baba’s
> ashram of how you keep men and women, even married
> couples, separated during their stay there. What
> did that mean? It meant men and women (including
> married couples) were not allowed to sleep
> together while staying at Creacon Lodge. However,
> gay couples were allowed. Now why was that? The
> whole purpose was for even couples to be apart in
> order to better heal and focus on their own
> healing—according to Derek. So why were gays the
> exception? Again, what agenda did Derek have here
> that he was not sharing with everyone?
> Regarding Creacon Lodge. Many years ago (2008 and
> for a few years afterwards), Derek had on his
> Creacon Lodge website, a statement claiming that
> there was a “Golden Bridge that connected his
> healing center directly to Prasanthi Nilayam and
> to His Holiness Sathya Sai Baba Himself” that
> was in the so-called meditation room in Creacon
> Lodge. Derek verbally claimed this to all the
> attendees in his 2007 Fall Ireland workshop. Here
> again, do we believe Sathya Sai Baba’s own words
> that we should never believe anyone who claims any
> special relationship to him, or that they have
> been gifted anything by Baba to help others with,
> or that Baba uses other people to do work for him
> or thru them, or that Baba supports healing
> centers? Or, do we believe a self-proclaim master
> healer with no proof what-so-ever of this
> statement, a statement that directly contradicts
> Sathya Sai Baba’s own words—which are the
> words of Derek’s own spiritual master?
> NOTE: What is interesting to note is that the
> above “statement” is no longer on the Creacon
> website. Now why is that? The reason is probably
> because the Sathya Sai Baba Organization got wind
> of this fraudulent statement made by Derek and
> sent a legal cease and desist letter to Creacon to
> take it off their website.
>
> BORN FREE NOW FOUNDATION dba SQ FOUNDATION
> SQ Foundation
> New York, NY | EIN: 26-1957703 | Number:
> 5185034940
> SQ Foundation is a registered (501c3)
> tax-deductible ...
> INCOME
> $117,388
> ASSETS
> $107,242
> SQ WELLNESS INFORMATION LINKS
> If you follow these links, it will show you some
> of the financials of BornFreeNow,dba Sq Wellness.
> It is interesting that the names are changed each
> of the years (click on the 990 pdf forms) for who
> is doing the actual filing claim.
> [www.guidestar.org]
> and
> [www.guidestar.org]
> &ein=26-1957703
>
> SQ-Wellness.com
> 244 5Th Avenue Suite D-264
> New York City, New York 10001
> United States
> All 9 people verified
> People
> Management Level
> Non-Manager (1)
> Job Function
> Finance (1)
> Company Background & Description
> Acquired by: Derek O'Neill
> Revenue: $1 mil. - $5 mil.
> $1,400,000
> Employees: 5 - 10
> Industry: Fitness & Dance Facilities , Recreation
> , Hospitality
> SIC Codes: 7991
> NAICS Codes: 713940
> Company Attributes: Has locations in North
> America
>
> Hopefully these TRUTHS WILL SET YOU FREE, or stop
> you from ever getting involved with this modern
> day snake salesman--huckster who knows how to and
> is highly adept at manipulating a person’s bio
> energy field to greatly influence them and cause
> them great harm. That is the ability Derek has, to
> be able to easily use his Siddhis to energetically
> manipulate the chakras of all who follow him and
> get initiated into any of his healing modalities.
> Some very ignorant and naïve people might respond
> by saying ‘how can a person who vibrates high
> with energy mis-use that power?’. Very readily
> and easily because they have a developed a
> bullet-proof spiritual ego, do not have their
> spiritual heart opened but rather have their third
> eye quite open, and they are living thru their
> lower three chakras. This is very common among
> powerful energy healers and yogis who have fallen
> from the spiritual path. And that’s what Derek
> is and has become. Some attendees have also had
> one of their kundalini knots energetically forced
> open by Derek, which is an incredibly dangerous
> thing to do to a person who has not prepared for
> that radicla energetic shift, but Derek has done
> it and never taken any responsibility for what
> then befell those people; because forcing open a
> person’s kundalini knot, or even a chakra, can
> cause that person permanent physical and/or mental
> damage.
> Can people do black magic? Definitely they can. If
> positive uses are there, negative uses are also
> there. One Veda, the Atharvana Veda, is dedicated
> to the use of energies for both positive and
> negative.
>
> Saints, Mystics, Rishis, MahaSiddha Yogis,
> God-Realized Beings and Avatars from thousands of
> years ago up to the present time, have all
> proclaimed the following:
> “Of all kinds of karma, using occult (black
> magic) forces for one’s own benefit or to harm
> others has the worst consequences for the one
> doing harm as well as the one receiving it.”
> Occult magic is the lowest expression of yoga, but
> that is the first thing people would like to do.
> They want to see something or do something that
> others cannot—and this is single MAJOR WAY Derek
> suckers and deceives people into following him,
> using occult magic.
>
> People who are rendered deaf and dumb by siddhas,
> like Derek has done with many who follow him and
> practice his healing modalities and have his
> healing systems initiated into their energy
> fields, can no longer hear or see the truth
> because they are incapable of doing so, for they
> have been blinded by Derek’s use of siddhis to
> harm them by blinding them to the truth and
> keeping them in the dark.
> A final note; many of the people who have openly
> spoken out against Derek O’Neil were then
> harmfully energetically attacked by Derek O’Neil
> in an attempt to silence them or force them to
> come back to him, and it took these people many
> months to completely and safely unplug from Derek
> for good.
> So what to make of Derek O’Neil? Derek is
> nothing more than a fallen yogi who is cashing in
> on selling New Age magic and Dharma. What does
> this mean? It means Derek has fallen to his own
> ego’s temptations over the powerful siddhas
> (supernatural psychic abilities) Derek obtained
> before he fell on his spiritual path. Derek is
> highly adept, dangerously so, at the use of energy
> manipulation on another person, and this is how he
> is able to cultivate so many followers who are
> blind to this because they are not capable of
> seeing or reading his energy simply because they
> do not have their third eye open, or their
> spiritual heart open. A person is only capable of
> perceiving the truth according to the level at
> which they vibrate at. One cannot read or
> interpret any energy that is beyond their
> perception.
> *For a listing of siddhas, see Pantanjali’s
> book; Yoga Sutras.
Title: Derek Oneil and SQ-Wellness PART 1
Post by: mtf on May 25, 2017, 03:37:37 am
Here are some truthful facts about Derek O’Neil,
> his healing systems, his early workshops from over
> a decade ago, and some information regarding his
> original financial supporters—most of who left
> him years ago. This truthful information is for
> anyone wanting to know about Derek O’Neil so
> they can learn for themselves versus all the hype
> from his cult-like followers, as well as Derek’s
> own lies. The following is a long read, but
> contains factual information.
> 1- Prema Agni healing modality:
> Derek publicly proclaimed in his early workshops
> (2003 thru 2008), that Sathya Sai Baba was his
> spiritual master-teacher, and that this is how the
> prema angi healing symbol came about. Derek claims
> he was at Sathya Sai Baba’s ashram in India and
> that during that time he had dreams of a healing
> system. Derek claims he drew a sketch of this
> symbol he dreamed of (the prema agni) and then
> went to see Baba to ask Baba about the symbol.
> Derek says when Baba came up to him, Baba said
> aloud to everyone there, the words; “Give me
> prema agni!”. Derek says he then took the prema
> agni drawing out of his pocket and gave it to Baba
> who then held it up and blessed it, and then gave
> it back to Derek.
> So, is this true about the prema agni healing
> system and what Derek claims Sathya Sai Baba did
> in public at Baba’s ashram in India? Here are
> Baba’s own words on people who proclaim that
> Baba has endorsed them, or their healing modality,
> or that they have any special relationship with
> Baba, or that they are Baba’s direct envoy, or
> that Baba has bestowed upon them any special
> healing gifts or powers.
> Words of God: The Sai Avatar on Himself - Part 8
>
>
> "... I do not use others as My media; I have no
> need to...."
> "...nor do I hand over powers to anyone..."
>
> ?... Talking of faith, I must issue a warning.
> Many people are collecting money in various places
> using My Name for various purposes like arranging
> receptions, building mandirams, doing puja etc.
> That is unauthorized and against My Wish and
> Command. Do not yield to such requests and
> encourage this practice which I condemn. Then
> there is another set of people who trade on your
> faith. They advertise that I have 'possessed'
> them; that I am 'talking' through a medium or a
> stove (!) or some other thing. Treat all such
> people and their agents or brokers as you treat
> cheats; if you do not treat them so, then you are
> also accomplices in the cheating process. ??There
> are others who gather groups of followers and
> admirers and collect money exhibiting some idol or
> image that has been 'given' by Me or advertising
> some other sign of My Grace. Some of them even
> declare, "Sai Baba sent me to you to take from you
> some money" or "Sai Baba has given me this" or
> "Sai Baba blessed me specially thus and thus" and
> then ask for your help or your praise or your
> purse! I ask you to chastise all these types of
> men and turn them away - whoever they are. ??There
> are again some others who are swept off their feet
> by hysterical demonstrations by certain
> weak-minded Individuals, which are described as My
> speaking through them or acting through them! Take
> it from Me, I am not given to such absurdities!
>
> I do not use others as My media; I have no need
> to. I do not swing from side to side and prattle!
> ??.... Their gestures, words and actions are
> hollow and vain; those who burn incense before
> them and revere them are turning away from Me and
> running after Falsehood. ??..... For, how can the
> Full ever dally with the paltry and wear the
> habiliment of the trifling? When God has come
> assuming Form, take it from Me, it will not fill
> inferior vessels or embellish tawdry stuff or
> enter impure bodies .??..... I know there are some
> who proclaim, "Devotees have grown out of all
> proportion in these parts and so, Baba has
> allotted this region to me and directed me to take
> up the work of teaching and guiding you; so,
> admire my acts and adore me". I never allot in
> this manner, nor do I hand over powers to anyone,
> nor can such low minds deserve my Grace. No,
> never, For me who has the burden of the Universe,
> can a region or a few more devotees be too much? I
> am surprised at the stupidity which swallows such
> absurdities and flocks round these pitiable
> quacks.....
> - Sai Baba
> (http://www.saibabaofindia.com/words_of_god_8.htm)
>
>
> The only person Sathya Sai Baba has ever publicly
> endorsed, as well as publicly signed their healing
> teaching book—and this can easily be verified by
> many devotees at Baba’s ashram in India, is
> Phyllis Krystal.
> (http://www.phylliskrystal.com/469.html)
> I have not come across nor found one long-time
> Sathya Sai Baba devotee who resides at Baba’s
> ashram who has been able to verify Derek’s above
> claim.
> Knowing all this, who would you now believe?
> Derek’s own spiritual master, Sathya Sai Baba, a
> Being who is globally recognized to be
> God-Realized with over 100million devotees? Or,
> Derek O’Neil, an ordinary person who is a self
> proclaimed master healer, and whom Sathya Sai Baba
> never once publicly declared was Self-Realized,
> let alone a master healer? Common sense, wisdom
> and critical thinking say we believe Sathya Sai
> Baba. So now we know Derek for what he is, a liar
> who was and still is, cashing in on his
> relationship to Sathya Sai Baba for his own
> financial gains.
>
> 2- Rising Star healing:
> Derek claims in his own words: “The Rising Star
> healing symbol incorporates but is separate from
> the Prema Agni symbol. Keeping in mind the Prema
> Agni symbol and adding to it the seal of Solomon
> and the Avatar, brings this healing system to the
> highest vibrational level.”
>
> Here again, since we now know the prema agni
> symbol is fake and was never endorsed by Sathya
> Sai Baba as Derek claims, what then does that make
> the rising star healing system? And what exactly
> IS the energy of rising star, and where does it
> originate? Since Derek is lying about the prema
> agni healing modality and his claims of Sathya Sai
> Baba blessing it, how can Derek be trusted?
> Therefore, who in their right mind would want an
> energy healing system of unknown origins placed
> within their energy field that is based on a
> fraudulent lie?
>
> 3- Karnak Initiation into the Great White or Gold
> Brotherhood:
> Here again, Derek publicly claimed (2007-2008) His
> Holiness Sathya Sai Baba gave Derek an updated
> energy ability to give this karnak initiation to
> people completely anew. Derek showed around a
> supposed piece of paper with Baba’s supposed
> handwriting on it to everyone as Derek’s
> so-called proof. This paper is also what Sondra
> Shaye would show to all who attended her karnak
> initiation(s) workshops.
> Again, this energy cannot be trusted because it
> was not given by Sathya Sai Baba which once again
> begs the important question, just where and what
> IS this energy, and is it really safe to have put
> into your energy field? And once again, why has
> Derek deliberately lied to everyone about it?
> Derek NOW CLAIMS on his own website 2017
> (https://www.derekoneill.com/rising-star-healing-s
> ystem/); “The Rising Star is an extraordinarily
> powerful system sourced from an ancient Tibetan
> lineage.”
> So, what are we to believe? First, the rising star
> and prema agni were given to Derek by Sathya Sai
> Baba and blessed by Baba, but currently it is now
> a so-called system sourced from an ancient Tibetan
> lineage? Btw, what Tibetan lineage—he fails to
> state even that, from what lineage of Tibetan
> monks—where’s this proof? It seems Mr.
> O’Neil cannot get his story straight about his
> own so-called energy healing systems and where
> they originate. Makes you wonder about him and
> what he is really selling, making him highly
> suspect, dubious in nature and far from
> trustworthy.
>
> 4- Prema Birthing:
> Derek initiated prema birthing to only a few
> people in (2006) in an Ireland Workshop. At that
> workshop, Derek told these few people they could
> practice the healing modality as well initiate
> others into the prema birthing healing modality as
> teachers of that modality. Both Sondra Shaye and
> Brook Still were two of those people from this
> original group. However, by June 2008, Derek
> suddenly announced that only he could initiate
> anyone as a practitioner/teacher, and that prema
> birthing modality had to be re-initiated to
> everyone in a New York City workshop by Derek
> himself, and only then could anyone who attended
> this workshop be a practitioner and/or
> teacher-initiator. Here it seems as though MONEY
> was the IMPORTANT factor, otherwise, why this
> change to what Derek did and said in the Ireland
> Workshop? What excuse did he give to justify this?
> If Derek did it wrong in Ireland, then he had an
> obligation to fix it for free, or refund everyone.
> Same for Sandra Shay and Brook Still, and all the
> others who conducted any prema birthing healings
> or teacher initiations—they should have
> reimbursed everyone they did a prema birthing on
> since Derek declared it null & void. Or, Derek
> should have given the workshop in NYC for free.
> But this did not happen. No one got refunded,
> instead, Derek charged everyone again for what
> they had already paid for—minus a very very
> small discount to those already initiated. But
> everyone had to fly to New York City—spend even
> more money, instead of Derek travelling to at
> least the west coast--LA as well since so many
> people were located there. Obviously there is
> something very wrong going on here. There was zero
> integrity on Mr. O’Neil’s part for taking
> responsibility for his obvious screw-up regarding
> prema birthing healing energy and his ‘need to
> correct it’ at everyone else’s expense.
>
> 4- A Healing Car Ride for $10thousand US dollars.
> Derek used to charge people $10,000US dollars for
> a 3-day car ride that he claimed would help them
> awaken to their true self. Derek would openly brag
> to attendees in his workshops that ‘most of the
> people who signed up for his three day ride
> healings never lasted all three days’, or that
> ‘most people who got into the car with him,
> never lasted more than 1 hour’. And he would
> smile and laugh at this.
>
> SOME FACTUAL PAST HISTORY and PAST WORKSHOP NOTES
> 2006 Summer Ireland Workshop:
> It was at this workshop that a majority of the
> people who had been with Derek O’neil from the
> very beginning, and who had financially supported
> him, his prema agni foundation, as well as gave
> huge donations to Derek so he could buy a healing
> center, all left Derek and his organization for
> good. Why? See the first *Note below.
>
> 2006 Fall Spokane WA workshop:
> In this workshop, Derek publicly displayed his
> abuse of his siddhis (supernatural psychic
> abilities) in the workshop in the following two
> ways:
> 1- Jodi, a yoga instructor and follower of
> Derek’s, got up and came to the mic and asked
> Derek for a healing. Derek told her to walk to him
> and when she did, Derek hit her with so much
> energy that she collapsed right to the floor.
> Fortunately Jodi was not injured when she fell
> flat on the floor, passing out cold. Derek claimed
> he opened one of Jodi’s nadis. Jodi remained out
> cold, lying on the floor for quite some time, and
> no one went to see if she landed ok and had not
> hurt herself in the fall. Not even Derek checked
> on her wellbeing after she fell.
> 2- Amalia Mayita Mendez came up to the mic and
> asked for a healing. What Derek did was
> deliberately shoot a specific energy vibration her
> way that purposely caused Mayita to have an orgasm
> in front of everyone there. Mayita moaned and
> groaned loudly as she put her hands all over her
> body while people simply watched and said
> nothing.
> Immediately after this workshop, many financial
> supporters from Spokane WA who attended this
> workshop, including the Spokane organizers, and
> who from early on, also had financially supported
> Derek and his prema agni foundation, quit
> afterwards and left the organization for good.
> This is understandable after reading about
> Derek’s behavior. Derek has been known to slam
> people with energy so that they physically or
> mentally freeze on the spot, at which time Derek
> then verbally chimes in saying what he wants to
> (his agenda) regarding the person he just
> energetically abused.
> *NOTE: The prema agni foundation was founded in
> 2006 and registered not in Derek’s name, but in
> Sondra Shaye’s name in New York--Sondra's legal
> last name as registered is Shaievitz, see website
> link
> (https://www.corporationwiki.com/p/2d48h0/office-o
> f-the-trustee-of-the-prema-agni-foundation-and-his
> -s) and
> (http://www.trademarkia.com/logo-77162189.html).
> However, the prema agni foundation was quickly
> dissolved in 2008. Now why was that? After all,
> this was the major nonprofit foundation Derek set
> up with his wife Linda with their stated mission,
> purpose, etc.. Might it be because Derek was being
> sued by some of the original people who
> financially supported and funded him, but who
> after his 2006 Summer Ireland Workshop, followed
> by the 2006 Fall Spokane workshop, now wanted
> their money back? Why did they demand a refund?
> They were rightfully angry because Derek lied and
> went back on his public promises to them regarding
> what his healing center would be in Ireland that
> he wanted to buy using their large financial
> funding (Per Derek words, Creacon Lodge cost
> roughly 7.5million Euros), as well as Derek now
> incorporating all the healing modalities and
> changing everything (announced in the 2008 Spring
> NYC Workshop--the prema agni foundation was shut
> down and Born Free Now was set up). It is highly
> probable the PA Foundation was dissolved so that
> Derek could move all his monies out the prema agni
> foundation and either into the Born Free Now
> Organization--this would make it practically
> impossible for anyone suing to collect any monies
> from a non-existant company, or from Derek
> himself. Or, Derek placed the funds someplace
> else, or emptied the account funds into also
> paying for Creacon Lodge.
> NOTE: In the Spring of 2008, Eric, a man from
> Montana, USA, who gave generously to Derek to fund
> Creacon Lodge, and who was a RS teacher, etc, sent
> an open email to everyone involved with Derek at
> the time. This email spelled out what Derek had
> lied about and why so many people who had financed
> Derek and been with Derek from the beginning, had
> since left because they all knew Derek was not
> trustworthy and that Derek had lied to them by
> going back on his word. Many people had been
> approached by Derek into being pressured by him to
> fund him, Creacon Lodge and PA Foundation.
>
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