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General => Frauds => Topic started by: Emmia on October 26, 2008, 10:00:03 pm

Title: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee aka Giovanni de Carlo aka "The Flute Keeper"
Post by: Emmia on October 26, 2008, 10:00:03 pm
I hear that there are plans being made for him to perform in Sweden and I would like to hear what you guys on the NAFPS forum know about him.

What I know so far is that he claims to be Kiowa and that he was responsible for Sacred Spirit, Sacred Ground and other albums. I have heard that music for the first Sacred Spirit album was taken from the Smithsonian archives, among them songs that should never had been released. I don't know the whole story though. Sacred Ground (if it's the one with Bill Miller among others) is an ok album though, I have never heard his name mentioned in connection with it though.

He calls himself the Flute Keeper and he lives in Germany.

Does anyone know any more about Tdom Bah Toden Xkee?

Thanks for your help.

Mia

[added his real name to thread title -k]
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Ingeborg on October 27, 2008, 06:12:50 pm
This definitely does not belong in the non-fraud section.

The real-life name of the person is Giovanni de Carlo, sometimes Gio de Carlo.

According to the information published by www.worldflutes.org who put out two warnings on him in
2005 and 2007, Mr de Carlo misrepresents himself as a Grammy winner and NAMMY nominee.
Quite contrary to his claims, neither the Kiowa nation or the Native American Church list him as a
member according to the INAFA research.

I suppose this makes him a white exploiter of ndn culture cashing in on selling ndn-style music,
wearing fake regalia at his gigs and pretending to be ndn. With what has been published here in a
different thread, he now also seems to promote sellers of ceremony.


http://www.worldflutes.org/alert.html

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UPDATE - December, 2005: Giovanni de Carlo, the self-proclaimed "flute keeper," has
surfaced in a new venture. His new Web site is: www.gilamusic.com His new contact information is
as follows:

Giovanni de Carlo
14609 Saticoy, #21
Van Nuys, CA 91405
Phone: 1-818-988-3090
E-mail: flutes@usa.com

Important: Much of the biography for the so-called "Flute Keeper" is pure fiction, including his false
assertion that he received a NAMMY and a GRAMMY for his recording, Sacred Ground. Look deeper
into his claims; you will find further falsehoods.

This is an UPDATE concerning the warning given about Giovanni de Carlo(Gio), who refers to
himself as "The Flute Keeper." The original warning was as follows:

Transgression: Giovanni de Carlo attends powwows or arts/crafts events and purchases Native
American flute-related materials using worthless checks and a worthless debit card. He wrote a
bad check to one particular flute maker at the Tulsa Indian Art Festival for 45 books, one flute, and
two CDs. Giovanni de Carlo cannot be located to make restitution for his bad debt. The flute maker
who was victimized by Gio has filed a report with the Tulsa police department. This is only one
example of de Carlo's activities.

Gio also bills himself as being a GRAMMY Award winner and a NAMMY Award nominee. Neither
claim is true, and both entities have been notified of his false promotional claims. At present,
Giovanni de Carlo is doing workshops for the Confederated Tribes of Coos, Lower Umpqua, and
Siuslaw Indians in Oregon. The Human Services Program Manager, Lorre G. Lewis, Ph.D., for the
tribal community contacted the INAFA when she saw our consumer alert on our Web site. He was
also recently seen at a festival in Venice Beach, California, and is rumoured to be heading to
Greece, next.

Recently, Gio found the INAFA consumer warning on our Web site. He wrote INAFA an e-mail that
was completely filled with rage and very unsavory, threatening language. Local authorities have
been made aware of the threat made by Giovanni de Carlo against the INAFA and Dr. Kathleen
Joyce-Grendahl. Since then, INAFA has received numerous e-mails from other people who have
been victimized by Gio. Many people have written to INAFA expressing appreciation for the warning
about him, and, as a result, have opted not to do business with de Carlo.

Gio’s present contact information is only a Web site address on which he does not list an address
or a phone number. If one wants to order something from him, the only way to do so is by
contacting him via e-mail. His present Web site is: www.theflutekeeper.com.

Other addresses that we have on file for de Carlo are as follows:

Giovanni de Carlo Publishing, Inc./ Tax ID: 36-428-3574 (Illinois)
4619 San Dario Avenue, #502
Laredo, TX 78041-5773

and...

Giovanni de Carlo
1626 West 18th Pl 3-Rr
Chicago, IL 60608
Phone: 312-492-8651
E-mail: the_flute_keeper@oklahoma.usa.com

In addition, de Carlo has another address listing him in Idaho.

INAFA encourages its members to use caution when doing business with this individual. And, if you
have further information, please contact INAFA immediately and we will put you in contact with the
appropriate individuals/authorities.


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UPDATE - August, 2007: Giovanni de Carlo, the self-proclaimed "flute keeper," has surfaced
in Europe.

INAFA has recently received numerous complaints and advisories from people in Europe about the
whereabouts and their dealings with Giovanni de Carlo, also known as "Gio", "The Flute Keeper,"
and "Tdom Bah Toden Xkee." INAFA continues to council caution in doing business or hiring this
individual. Please research and verify his credentials and award claims carefully. According to the
Kiowa, they have no record of this person as being a member of any type of the their tribal nation.
The Native American Church does not recognize him as being a legitimate shaman, nor is he listed
as a member of the church itself. Please contact INAFA if you have seen this individual, so that we
may notify the appropriate authorities.

Here is a recent statement that INAFA received concerning the self-proclaimed Flute Keeper. As
these people are concerned about their personal safety, complete names are being kept private:

"Dear Sir, presently an american speaking individual tours throughout northern Germany and The
Netherlands. He Claims to belong to the Kiowa people. He offers a.o. native american flute
concerts, hand made native american flutes and workshops to learn making them. For his flute
production he uses a modern carpenter's machine shop as can be seen at his website. His
remarks about native american indian people, their history and the rôle of the white people in
relation to them are rather nebulous and aggressive. His claims about his position in the native
american and international music world (awards, recognition etc.) are rather bold. At so called Pow
Wows he arranges naming ceremonies according to Indian heritage culture as he claims. The
Kiowa Tribe Enrollment office has informed us officially with a document signed by the Notary Public
that the subject person is not shown on the current membership roll of the Kiowa Tribe of
Oklahoma."

"My partner and I talked with Gio after a concert in Offenbach/near Frankfurt. Giovanni de Carlo
invited my partner to do a concert together and gave us a date, when he have time for this and we
should organize this for him. This was very short-thermed so that I didn´t research for him more
than I did find on his gilamusic – site.We did the Concert and I really don’t like this Gio and his way
to treat the people and he was obviously not spirituell or shaman or in any way in contact with
mother earth that was my experience with him. We don’t have troubles with him, but he was not
really comfort with the money he got, he tried to exert pressure on my partner with the arguments
that he can help him to get successful through his Name (Thom Bah Toden Kxee, Grammy etc.) but
I had the feeling that its not good to do any more business with him and so we did not.

I hope it will help you and preserve people for more troubles with him."



From his website - http://www.gilamusic.com  - there is a link to this site with a new biography:

http://www.angelfire.com/musicals/decarlo/gio.html

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The Flute Keeper
I have decided that after this year I will have no biography...
Instead, I will let those who know me decide who am I...
Dear friends:
Recently I received an e-mail with a link to a page in the net that suggests that I have removed my
biography because I have something to hide. This shows that there are still people in this world
who sees nothing but suspicios in other peoples doings.
The reason I had my biography removed from this site was Bigotry. Yes, bigotry and the hate I have
seen during my travels. This letter is to all peoples of the world, Natives from the Americas and Non
Natives from the rest of this piece of land we call world.
During my travelings I have had the opportunity to visit many Pow Wows both in the USA and other
countries. In Germany I have found more Pow Wows taking place than in any other country outside
the USA and, it is there where I came to realize that we, the human race, is full of hate and envy
and looking for control of others in one way on another.
Who owns a race, a tradition, a culture and has the right to impose it to others?
Over 200 years ago, a group of immigrants came to our shores and took upon themselves to
colonize a land who was not theirs. That, we all know and we all have our views as to what was
done and what took place. It is a sad fact and it is even sadder to look back in history and see
what was done. Killings, restrictions, the implementation of new rules and so many other things
that took place but, we all have to start looking at we can do in the future for our children and
those who would follow. I am not saying that we have to surrender, NO, we have to fight back and
show these people we are PEOPLE of this planet, with dreams, pain, laughter and lots... lots of love
for what we have in our lives.
But since when do we - Natives, own anything? One of the main roots of our believes is that we
have NO Ownership of anything, we are just the Care Takers of what is around us and we are here
to pass it on. Everyday I heard that from my elders, from the ones around me and from those who
travel the world in gatherings and belong to Native Tribes. But, in the other hand, and at the same
time... there is a constant attack to those who have taken upon themselves to follow the Native
Ways. Yes, there are those who don´t seem to know better and those who have their own ideas as
to what Natives are. Dancing with wolves sure didn't´t help much and many just like to dress up like
Indians and have fun. HAVE FUN.
You may say that Having Fun with others culture is not the right thing to do.. careful, do not spit
against the wind. Most of our Native Brothers are doing quite the same by celebrating
Thanksgiving, Xmas, 5 de Mayo, 4th of July, October Fest, St. Patrick's day and so many others I
could spend a page listings them.
It seems to me that by showing, and helping, those interested in our culture would create an
awareness of who and what we are. All religions of the world have become respected and
powerful by inviting others, to a part of it and then it is only then, that the group make a stand in
the eyes of others.
I have encountered many people, again Native and Non Native, FIGHTING over the control of these
Native American events. How stupid can this be and, how stupid can these people be in doing so?.
Lets analyze this and we can see that those Non Native argue they know better because they
have read the book (a book they wrote in the first place), then we have the Natives who argue that
their Culture is now been stolen. How can you steal something that is not yours to keep in the first
place?. Instead, go out and show how we do things it would be then easier for then to follow the
right way. Non Natives would then have the opportunity to see from those who know and be able
to continue doing what is right. But, we have another group around us.. this group is the most
dangerous of them all, those who by pretending to be REAL Indians (Natives and Non Natives, the
so called ADOPTED or I was an Indian in another life) go around attacking those who don´t follow
their ways of doing things. Those you can see in many Pow Wows in Europe. They go around (or
sending mails) talking about others and saying this or such about any Pow Wow, or Indian fest
gathering that does not fit their ways or con expectations (fund raisin for poor Lakotas, to solve
some tribal problem and so many other scams). These so call Real Natives, you can in Pow Wows
where THEY get paid to attend... Money is the issue here.
Culture is not something we have the right to Own. Culture is something we share and shows who
we are and what we are made of. It is important to share this culture and to pass it on to those who
want it.
This my friends, is the reason why I have chossen to be a member of a new tribe. A tribe so old
that goes to the begining of time, before The Creator was even thinking about all of these mess we
have created in our own. This Tribe is the Human Race.

The new bio does indeed put forward the notion that Mr de Carlo is ndn, while in fact he is a white
American. However, until earlier this year, there was a biography to be found at a site hosted by
Angelfire which said de Carlo was a white musician, and had an account of how he met this elderly
Kiowa gentleman who taught him to play the flute, eventually adopted him, and passed him his
own title of „The Flute Keeper“ before his death.

The site is still existent, but a few changes were effected to the bio published there:

http://www.angelfire.com/musicals/decarlo/history.html

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GiLa Music is the child of de Carlo Publishing Inc. and de Carlo Productions.
de carlo Publishing Inc. Was founded in 1986 as a publishing company in the state of Illinois. Its first
publications were books of The Flute Keeper - in those days best known as Giovanni de Carlo (his
Indian name of Tdom Bah Toden Xkee was given to him ten years later when he became known
for his flute music) independent editor of text books for Scott Foresman and Wesley (Glenview
Illinois) where he worked in the Math and Spanish departments. Many books were published by this
company for many independent editorials being the most popular the reference books made to
order for small specialty bookstores.
One of those manuals How To Play kena (a traditional Andes flute) was done by the people of de
Carlo Publishing and in particular by Giovanni de Carlo. While doing this research Mr de Carlo
became interested in the study of ancient instruments (at that time he was also working in another
book called Cocolixtle - the history of the 1542 invasion of the Americas; a book based in legends
passed on from word to mouth and very little to do with the history written by the Spaniards) and in
the use and reproduction - recreation based in lost instructions of such musicals instruments. His
home soon became a museum of musical instruments: Ocarinas, clay flutes, wooden flutes, river
cane flutes, more ocarinas, drums, sea shells (caracoles), teponaztles, drums and more drums
and soon his space was nothing more than instruments hanging on the walls of his house in Illinois
and laying on the floors of his office, his house in Oklahoma and even friends houses - Those who
have been to some of his personal presentations know what we are talking about. One thing let to
another and soon Mr de Carlo was playing these instruments (many made him).
In 1990 de Carlo Publishing joined forces with a company dedicated to the creation of special
effects for museums and other specialty places like fairs, schools, etc. and while doing a job for a
museum Mr de Carlo was invited to help with the effects which required flute playing and... The
Flute Keeper became known to the world.
After the recording session the sound engineer created a Solo Take of the flute playing and gave it
to Mr de Carlo who was surprised after listening to the melody. That made him go back to the
studio and record a couple of melodies of his own creation, this time under the supervision of
professionals and with the inclusion of effects and other instruments. The result was a unique
flavor of traditional Native American Flute Music with a modern style. Mr de Carlo's genes flourished
in the magic of the Native American Flute (as we know he is a Native American Indian from the
Kiowa Nation of Oklahoma and in veins still flows the blood of his ancestors).
From 1990 until 2001, Mr de Carlo became part of the Pow Wow Circle and traveled all over the
USA participating and learning from the Elders the REAL History of his people. His flute playing
became a familiar to the Circle and he was invited to perform in every Pow Wow he assisted. It was
in Virginia that for the first time in the History of the Pow Wow ceremony he was invited to do the
opening blessing with his flute playing.
And the Flute Keeper was given his name. Oklahoma 1999, during a Tipi Meeting Mr Gus Palmer
from the Kiowa Nation-, the most respected medicine man alive nowadays gave Mr de Carlo his
Indian name. In his own words: "I was sitting outside the tipi after a long night of praying and rain.
Everyone was waiting for a hot cup of coffee and breakfast from the ladies who were working in
preparing it in the kitchen in a hose just a few steps from the tipi where the meeting had taken
place when my cousin, Norma, came to me and asked me to go to a blue pick up truck parked by
the side road. There Mr Palmer and his wife were sitting among many blankets and protecting
themselves from the morning cold. Mr Palmer asked me to sit on the back seat of the truck and I did
wondering since when He calls you something is about to be said. He started by saying how he
had known about my flute playing and my flute making and how it was about time for me to get an
Indian Name and so he called me Tdom Bah Toden Me (The Flute Player) but his wife sitting next to
him said; No, he is is not just a player. Again Mr Palmer called me Tdom Bah Toden Xkee and the
wife said; Yes, that is more like him, so, I became The Keeper of the Tube that makes Noise or to a
better sound: The Flute Keeper" .

In Germany and other European countries, Mr de Carlo apparently still promotes himself as being Kiowa, as you can see on this German website:

http://www.powwow-freunde.de/Galerie/Red_Road/Flags/Angi/Ryan/tdom_bah.html

The caption underneath the photo reads:
„Tdom Bah Toden Xkee from the tribe of Kiowa nation“


In his above amended bio, de Carlo says „In Germany I have found more Pow Wows taking place
than in any other country outside the USA and, it is there where I came to realize that we, the
human race, is full of hate and envy and looking for control of others in one way on another.“
Mr de Carlo should know, as it is exactly the hobbyist powwow circuit he is touring here.

This announcement is just one example:
http://www.razyboard.com/system/morethread-erstmals-traditionelles-powwow-in-wildeshausen-sanleh-1883807-5088077-0.html

User: Yanqataq
Date: 14.02.2008 – 14:22

It is an ad for a powwow taking place March 1+2, 2008 in the Northern German town of Wildeshausen. Excerpts:

„Drum groups and more than 50 dancers from Middle Europe have announced their participation.
Members of various Indian tribes will show traditional dances which all have their own meaning and
history wearing traditional regalia of the Northern American Indian tribes. There will also be other
dances with them to which all spectators are invited to participate. Also one of the world's best
flute players will perform.
„Tdom Bah Toden Xkee“ is of the Kiowa tribe and already received several grammies for his film
music. There will also be vendors' booths offering Indian crafts and arts.
Martin Bornfleth from the town of Beckstedt, whose Indian name is „Mi Mahto“ and means
"Everything about him is bear“, is one of the organizers: „This Powwow is an event to honour Luis
Horn-Kerckhofs, called  "Whè Ch? " (raccoon) by his friends [...]“

and
User: Yanqataq
Date: March 3, 2008

quoting an article of a local newspaper, excerpt:
To honour "Whè-Ch? ", also „Tdom Bah Toden Xke[sic] from the Kiowa tribe arrived, one of the
world's best Indian flute players. He demonstrated his hand-made wooden flutes to the 800 visitors
at the premises. His music is known from Hollywood films and was well liked by the Powwow
friends.[...]“


This is an ad for an event taking place June 22-24, 2007:

www.sun-valley-camp.de/Flyer_Floetenbau_(1).pdf

„Concert with Tdom Bah Todem [sic] Xkee (The Flute Keeper), Kiowa Indian“

excerpt: „His concerts aren't just entertainment, he also teaches knowledge about his culture and
answers questions about his Indian descent. As a member of the Kiowa nation and of the „Native
American Church“, he travels all around the world to inform people about the life of his ancestors
and their living conditions today. He also does lectures on this issue.“

De Carlo did a two-hour concert on June 22, and taught flute playing on June 24, with a workshop
in which people were taught how to do their own flute at June 23.

Price tags:
Euro 15 for the concert, Euro 250 for the Native American Flute Workshop, with Euro 175 for further
family members participating (participants will not have to pay for the concert ticket). Flute playing
lessons on June 24, 12 p.m.-2 p.m., and 3 p.m.-5 p.m. Euro 18 for each session. Prices do not
include accom and food. Participants in the Flute Workshop will receive a booklet with info on how
to do their own flute bag, a CD with background music to do karaoke flute playing, „membership in
„The Flute Keepers [sic] Lodge“ (exchange of information via internet, meetings, CDs etc.), and
one Indian Lunch – enjoy an evening meal from „Flute Keeper's“ country“

Please note payment instructions at the right hand side of the ad: Payments are to be transfered to
the bank account of Giovanni de Carlo.


Another ad from an nuage organizer in the town of Bonn who cover the entire range of nuage stuff
(and who hosted several ceremonies done by a person we researched last year):

http://www.albert-schweitzer-haus-bonn.de/index.php?tag=&monat=&jahr=&id=3&alle=1
"A special night with dances and music of the Indians of North America
Tdom Bah Toden Xkee, Kiowa Indian from Oklahoma/USA and friends

November 1, 2008
4 p.m. to 6.30 p.m.

November 1, 2008
7.30p.m. to 10 p.m."


These are some Dutch sites presenting de Carlo as a Kiowa ndn from Oklahoma:

http://gerry290655.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!4B5ECE60426A0314!1377.entry

Dezember 2006
Tdom Bah Toden Xkee

„Winner of a Grammy Award and of the Native American Award, Tdom Bah Xtoden Kee [sic] of the
Oklahoma Kiowa nation, comes especially to the Netherlands!
This Indian from the Kiowa Nation from Oklahoma is better known as the Flute Keeper as indicates
his Indian name. This name means he is „The Keeper of the Tube that makes Noise“, or „The Flute
Keeper“. Tdom Bah is impressive. If you are into Indian music, nothing else is possible than your
having heard his flute playing already. With the well-known CD Sacred Spirit you can meet his
music, but Tdom Bah has also produced many albums, more than 30. For his album Sacred
Grounds he won the famous Grammy Award and the Native American Award. He played flute solos
in many films, of which one the most well-known is „Last of the Mohicans“. Tdom Bah also played
with artists of world renown, e.g. Carlos Santana, BB King, and Paul Simon (from Simon and
Garfunkel).“



http://www.berkelstroom.nl/article.php?art=6235


„23-01-2007 – Three Fires Meeting Place from the town of Zutphen is glad to be able to invite you
to a lecture done by Tdom Bah on the Native American Church and the Peyote ceremony.
Tdom Bah Toden Xkee is a member of the Kiowa people in Oklahoma and has led many gatherings
of this church. The NAC or the tipi way is a North American tradition which allows a combination of
the traditional Indian spirituality and christianity.
The Peyote ceremony has its origin in the Southern parts of the Americas. On Tuesday, February
13, Tdom Bah does another flute workshop. If you do not have your own flute, you can use an
Indian flute supplied by Tdom Bah.

The fee for the workshop at Tuesday, Feb 13, is Euro 15, the entrance for the lecture Wednesday,
Feb 14, is Euro 10. Info and booking (necessary!) with Marie-Josillems, tel. 0575-[...] or email:
mariejoseeva@[...]“


A Danish site:

http://home1.stofanet.dk/dorthetv/interest.htm

„Tdom Bah Toden Xkee (Gio de Carlos)
A Kiowa Indian whom I met in the town of Alborg in 2005 and was not taken aback by my feminine
side, as this is accepted in Indian circles. He gave me a great insight into his culture and we
exchanged gifts, as it is tradition between persons who respect each other fully and become
friends.“


This site offers some further insight into de Carlo's business ethics:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ocarinaclub/message/523


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Re: Ocarinas from Peru

Giovanni,

We visited your website. www.decarloinc.com You are using Our animation for the four-hole
(English Style System) ocarina scale and a page from Our songbook, as well PLUS a link to Our
song book at www.clayz.com all for an Ocarina that uses the six-hole system....The most
devastating part, though, is that your are using Our endorsements for your products ("This product
has been endorsed by the Smithsonian Institute, Native American Indian education groups,
Orff-Schulwerk Music Educators, and the ethnic music departments of several universities.") Why
are you doing this???

We have discussed the Peruvian ocarinas in this group before.... If you look in the archives you will
see what our Argentinian friend says about them... Perhaps you would like to debate this issue.
Perhaps you would like to look at the animations we use on our website..... Since it is a commercial
website we chose to get permission for all the animations we use (except the ones we spent much
time making ourselves)

Who are you and what is your interest in ocarinas? Are you a maker, a player, or just a
MERCHANT? We are all three! And we collect, as well. There are several makers on this group and
all the folks here are serious collectors and should not be trifled with.

We have some beautiful Peruvian Ocarinas in our collection that look to be the same sort as you
sell.. They use a 6 hole system that does not work with our songbook. They have a beautiful tuning
system of thier own....why not have instructions for that system and not ours, which will not work on
the six-hole system...

Que Passa?

Sandi and Richard
http://www.clayz.com

"Just as a musician seeks musical expression, so the music in the
universe seeks to be expressed." Marlo Morgan on her WALKABOUT



----- Original Message -----
From: giovanni de carlo <giovanni@...>
To: <Ocarinaclub@onelist.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 6:19 AM
Subject: [Ocarinaclub] Ocarinas from Peru


> From: "giovanni de carlo" <giovanni@...>
>
> If you like Ocarinas, we have some very well made and beautifully tuned
from peru ($8.00)


http://www.intunewithspirit.com/modules/Forums/index.php?showtopic=761
This links to a discussion in a forum where a member confronted de Carlo with the alerts issued
on him.




Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Defend the Sacred on October 27, 2008, 09:34:36 pm
Found him on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/cocolixtle

Here he claims to be Kiowa from Oklahoma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlzb0kC-zwo

He speaks a few times during the piece. The place where he claims Kiowa is at 0:56

Oh dear. Check out the regalia in this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb-5AlZkEZY

Looks like he found himself a couple Tipi pics to photoshop himself into. Tedium warning: The entire video is over five minutes of the same few images over and over and over again.

More regalia, and "war whoops" from the Germans at the end: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-6_lIc7St4

More of the same: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZsps5ny2Ho Well, at the end. At the beginning a woman dances to recorded music.

The other videos that refer off these are of German Pow Wows. I'm not sure, but I think he's leading the dancers in this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9aCkwNpa9Y
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: wolfhawaii on October 28, 2008, 03:56:35 am
I watched a clip of him on his website playing flute while the German kids beat drums and shook rattles.....made my wife and I ill listening to him, now I know why.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: cocolixtle on November 04, 2008, 05:31:15 pm
It seems that someone has taken much time TRASHING this person... but how is it that he is still around  (and has been for such a long time) Could it be that he is doing something right and there are those who are jealous of him?
Check this page and then decide:
http://www.gilamusic.com/updates.html
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Ingeborg on November 04, 2008, 05:42:23 pm
Good evening, Mr de Carlo - why are you using third person writing about yourself?

What is it in your opinion you bin doing right? And no, nobody's jealous of a person who misrepresents themselves. Thanks for the link, but several here already found your site.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: wolfhawaii on November 05, 2008, 05:01:57 am
Cocolixtle felt impelled to PM my with the update placed on the gilamusic site.....there is a lot of self=justifying statements there by the Flute Keeper. Worth reveiwing. Some questions came to mind: why would a courthouse allow you to set up a vendor booth on the access? Why would you have a photo taken of yourself in front of a teepee, especially if it is used for ceremony as you seem to imply? Why would you get a passport in 2 days unless you are a government stooge? Why am I not buying into your trip? Your sock puppet has holes in it.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Ingeborg on November 05, 2008, 10:57:07 am
Interestingly, Mr de Carlo has meanwhile left the forum after not even a day of membership.
While he was registered, his profile provided his e-mail address: gio@gilamusic.com. Plus that
his nick Cocolixtle has been mentioned by himself in this bio:

http://www.angelfire.com/musicals/decarlo/history.html

Quote
While doing this research Mr de Carlo became interested in the study of ancient
instruments (at that time he was also working in another book called Cocolixtle - the history of
the 1542 invasion of the Americas [...]

I agree, the photos shown at his site don't prove anything except his taking a shorter or longer trip to Oklahoma and taking a few tourist photos (me and ...). Him with a makeshift vendor's stall in front of the Caddo Admin Building in no way is a proof of him being Kiowa - and in fact it says pretty clearly in the alert at worldflutes.org that the Kiowa nation does not know Mr de Carlo.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: MatoSiWin on November 05, 2008, 03:39:46 pm
It seems that someone has taken much time TRASHING this person... but how is it that he is still around  (and has been for such a long time) Could it be that he is doing something right and there are those who are jealous of him?
Check this page and then decide:
http://www.gilamusic.com/updates.html


Yeah.... Charles Manson is still around, too.... and still gains new "followers and admirers" every year.  He gets more mail than any other US prisoner, in fact.  Does that make him and the filth he espouses any more relevant? 
You'll have to come up with a better argument than that.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: MatoSiWin on November 05, 2008, 03:48:18 pm
Just to be clear de Carlo, no one would have ever said anything if you had just been satisfied with being "a white musician who plays Native American inspired flute music".  There are plenty of those around, and they don't end up on sites like this, "under the microscope".  It is your own lies and exaggerations that have brought you under scrutiny, and trust me, jealousy doesn't even come into the picture.  Why did you start with the exaggerations (being a Nammy nominee or Grammy winner), or the lies, (being a member of the Kiowa nation) in the first place?  Did you feel that you music wouldn't stand on it's own, so you needed something to give you more credibility?  People everywhere love music... and all kinds of music.  If it's good, people will listen, no matter who or what you are.

Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Superdog on November 17, 2008, 01:40:40 pm
He's got a new update on his site.  He's pretty out there.  He admits to sockpuppeting the board and also admits he's not Kiowa in several paragraphs, but then goes on to show a bunch of pictures and claim that those pictures prove he is who he says he is.  Except he has two names....Giovanni and then his "stage name" Tom.  He also admits that all his regalia is "stage clothing".  Talks about himself in the third person as "The Flute Keeper".

We're definitely not dealing with someone who understands reality.  I think he's got too many years "on stage" and thinks his stage persona is who he really is. 

Sorry Giovanni, you are a fraud.  You can't claim to be Kiowa and try to use it as a selling point to make your music appear authentic.  It's a fraudulent claim.  You even admit to it being a fraudulent claim.  As long as you're claiming to be Kiowa to sell your version of flute music then you'll remain here.  It's that simple.

Superdog
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Ingeborg on November 21, 2008, 12:52:47 pm
The update-page has been updated once again.

De Carlo in fact reinforces his claim to be Kiowa (cf phrases like 'us Indians' etc), despite his own words he just wears stage clothes. He denigrates his critics as drawing welfare and wanabis, but there's more unsavoury language in his text.

He also seems to continue his MOD of writing in foul language and of harassing forum owners where he finds e.g. INAFA material published. There is at least one German forum where they closed and deleted a thread repeating the INAFA material in excerpts.

At the start page ( http://www.gilamusic.com ) he puts up an ad saying he will be on TV Dec 27, 2008,  with a trailer. I watched part of it. De Carlo will show up in a children's programme in a show running on a private channel (RTL TV/RTL2/Super-RTL), together with some dancers. In the trailer, de Carlo does not play the flute but holds it in his hand doing some dance steps. The children are expected to do a quiz and answer the question whether the sounds made by the dancers are a) sounds of pain, b) animal sounds, or c) baby's crying. For all answers, they use comic figures for illustration - and of course it's an ndn for answers a) and b) ---- your stereotypical figures of an ndn child in plains outfit, huge nose, buckteeth. For answer a), the ndn child clutches his foot in pain, for answer b) the ndn displays two feathers at his butt and is imitating a bird's beak with one hand in front of his mouth.

The trailer starts with a group of 4 persons queueing up at the stage entry (de Carlo, a woman of some ndn ancestry, two white persons in regalia) in a line and entering the stage dancing, doing some 'heya, heya' sounds; the drums are playback. De Carlo is wearing his 'stage clothes' and a roach, but as far as I could see, they did *not* allow him to wear his usual bandana to cover up his bald head (cough, cough).

As an aside, de Carlo must have added the words 'TV Germany' at the bottom of the trailer - however, there is no 'TV Germany' in the first place. The show '1,2, 3' is produced by RTL company; 'RTL' being the abbreviation for 'Radio Television Luxembourg'.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Emmia on February 07, 2009, 07:16:24 pm
Hello to everyone and thanks for all your responses!
I am so sorry that I haven't gotten back to you earlier, my computer crashed about a week after I posted the question and it isn't until two weeks ago that I got everything back in order again.

Just a note before I start rambling: when I mention Native below I talk about Native American/First Nation's people/American Indian, i.e. Aboriginal people of the US and Canada.

Mr de Carlo is booked for a couple of performances in Sweden end of February. I emailed some of the information I found in your replies and on other sites to the organizers and they are quite troubled. To start with they asked me if I wanted to put together some performances with him as well, as a co-operation, which i have definately said No to.

Mr de Carlo called me last year (I distribute native music in Sweden) and asked me if I was interested in distributing his music also. I told him that first I wanted to hear his music so he sent me a demo. I didn't just want to hear his music, I also wanted to check him up a bit (it always troubles me when a person who claims to be Native American or of the First Nations has an accent that is definately not American/Canadian). His music will not be found among the ones that I distribute. The reason for this is that I require some Native blood and that the musician is accepted by his Native community as Native (I learned this from a good friend of mine in Colorado). This requirement makes it a lot easier.

But I want to stress the fact that the reason why I checked Mr de Carlo up is not because I question his skills as a musician, it's because it's important for me that the Native musicians that come to my country to perform are really Native. There are so few Native musicians that come here and i guess we are a very trusting people, so when someone claims to be Native and looks like what Europeans consider Native performers to look like (please don't ask me to develope that further), most of us believe them. There are a few of us that always asks the questions, a few of us who are always considered judgemental and mean by the big group for that.

So, to you Native musicians out there: If you get the question about affiliation etc don't take it as an offense, it's just a try from people who wants that the people who come her to represent Native culture are actually someone who is representative for Native culture and not a fake. Sometimes we get yelled at because we ask the questions and sometimes because we don't ask the questions.

Over here I am known as the one who likes Native music (ok, I admit that there are probably more than one who adds "annoying" in between one and who, but hey, if I have to choose between "being me" and "being liked" i'd definately go with "being me"!). So anything that even resembles Native is brought to my attention. I am quite tired of colleagues coming up to me telling me about the great Native group that they saw downtown on the square. I know exactly which group they are talking about. My question is always "did they play the pan flute as well?" and the response is always YES. They are South American Natives playing their music (well, mostly their own) dressed in what they consider to be North American Native clothing. They have figured out that passing as North American Natives pays off better. Their music is good but their show is bad. I find it depressing that they trust their own skills as musicians so little that they can't be honest with who/what they are.

I also really dislike when people talk to me about Natives as one homogenous group. I use to tell them that you wouldn't expect Swedes and people from North Africa to be alike (the distance of northern Canada and southern Florida is about the same distance). And all of the people of the different nations in between (for example France, Germany, Italy, Greece and Slovakia) don't speak the same language and don't have the same culture. So why should Natives be any different?


Ok, I'm done rambling now.......
And before anyone asks me who the h*ll I think I am saying what I've said, the answer is "just me".

Thanks again for all your replies and have a great weekend!

Mia
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: kosowith on February 08, 2009, 08:09:10 pm
Also, they do not play their music when they are preforming.  They have groups that perform in Sweden, Germany, Netherlands, Belgie, and France - they may be more but those are the ones I know about. All of their albums contain the same 10-12 songs, but with different names and order on the different CDs.

As to the Native Spirits CDs - there was a huge controversy over those a while back. At teh time there was a claim that although they state on the CDs that a certain portion of the proceeds will go to fund Native Programs, not a single cent had ever been received.  From the Native muscian site there were a number of complaints from muscians and producers about ripped off songs, and broken promised.  This was a couple of years ago and I can not say if it was ever cleared up.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Emmia on February 08, 2009, 08:37:30 pm
Hello Kosowith,
I wouldn't be surprised if they don't play themselves, whenever I see them in the distance I turn around and go in the opposite direction, so I wouldn't really know. It's a pity because we have some really good South American Native groups here in Sweden that stay true to their culture that they are very proud of.

I have thought about confronting them many times but since they according to Swedish law have the right to "perform" as long as they have a permit whether they are fakes or not, it hasn't seemed like there was a lot to do about it. Next time I see them I will check with the authorities that they do have a permit, could be interesting.

I am not surprised regarding the CD:s you mention. I have to check with the musicians that had songs on Oliver Shanti's cd's if they ever got any license money from those. Not that anyone would want to be mentioned in the same sentence as Oliver Shanti.
Their businesses seem to have a lot in common.

Mia



Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Emmia on February 10, 2009, 08:38:06 pm
The organizers in Sweden have cancelled the event with Mr de Carlo because they are not comfortable with all the questions around him. Ok, I'm officially impopular now... I think I can live with that.  As a reply he is complaining loudly on his site about me and Ingeborg as well. He's questioning my intelligence and you know what, I can live with that too! I am not interesting in doing a cyberwar with someone, I'm too old for that kind of kid's games.

Have a great evening, I intend too!

Mia
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 10, 2009, 09:28:20 pm
Good for you for getting him canceled!
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Emmia on February 10, 2009, 10:36:18 pm
Hello Kathryn,
I kept a really low profile, I just supplied them with information from here and other sites. They took the decision themselves. I believe there were also some questions regarding extra costs.

I love it when good musicians come to my country to perform, French, Italian, Lebanese, Peruvian, Chinese, Native... from whatever nation, it doesn't matter. I just wish that people would understand that when someone claims to be something, they represent that culture. I have travelled the world and criss crossed through about 25 of the states in the US but I would not be comfortable representing any of the cultures I have encountered. I can talk about the cultures, the music especially, I even give lectures sometimes when asked. But always from an outsider's point of vue.

Have a great evening Kathryn,

Mia
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Freija on February 11, 2009, 09:46:44 am
Hej Mia!

I have had problems accessing this site for a while - don´t know why - but now it works.

Good job! I don´t know much about the Ndn music industry, so I am glad you´re somewhat "an expert" :)
I am also glad that there are more and more of us trying to stop the fakes and frauds. We don´t want them in Sweden, do we?!

Ha en bra dag!

Annika
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Emmia on February 11, 2009, 10:33:20 pm
Hello Annika,
No, we definately don't want them in Sweden, we have already had too many of them here.

Mia's new saying: Let's fight for a "fakefree" Sweden!!!!!

Sköt om dig,

Mia
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Elke on February 15, 2009, 06:54:52 pm
Hello!

I shortly found this...

http://www.gilamusic.com/updates.html

maybe interresting.......

When I was at an event in Germany-- I met di Carlo-- half a year ago---- and what I noticed- that he spoke fluent Spanish or Portugese to some Inka dancers-- I don't speak Spanish or Portugese-- but I noticed that-- and not just me notice that....



Maybe he is not white, but comes from a Southern american Native group---

but don't know exactly....
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Elke on February 15, 2009, 07:06:24 pm
I know of a friend of mine, that there is an official letter from Kiowa Nation, that de Carlo is NOT an enrolled member of the Kiowa tribe.  At one Powwow, de Carlo got much trouble with some real Kiowa guys, who were really angry about talking himself am Kiowa Member and Kiowa Flutekeeper--- they asked him to sign a contract that hel should not use this term again, but at the next event- he did it again.

When I read this:

"....Be a part of something good and help the peoples of our land in the promotion
of our values and culture..."

at a letter of a powwow-group here in Germany, that support di Carlo:

From: http://www.powwow-freunde.de/
look at : A letter from Tdom Bah
--- sorry, it is a pdf file, I can't put a direct link here


I am really angry about---- he is speaking for his "Native" culture.
When I read this letter among other things--- I really can shake my head- because I know what stays behind- I'm a long part of German Powwow-Scene. And I know the scenery....
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Elke on February 15, 2009, 07:20:35 pm
something from his webpage:

http://www.gilamusic.com/2009_letter.html

a friend told me-that this was originally a letter from a southern american musician who died of cancer, he wrote something similar shortly before his death.....

.....

funny thing when you read this:

"SAY NO TO PIRACY "



at :http://www.gilamusic.com/about.html


just my 5 cents...

Elke
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Elke on February 15, 2009, 07:21:48 pm
http://www.gilamusic.com/about.html


sorry...
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: frederica on February 15, 2009, 08:05:57 pm
You need to review the first page. 
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: The Flute keeper on February 17, 2009, 02:18:38 pm
How are you all doing... well, what do you know I am back... and here is one more reply to all of you who have taken the time to make my life interesting... it seems to me that some of you are happy because I get events canceled and still think you have something to do with this... WOW, if it makes you happy and feel important, good for you. Now in the other hand you should also soend some time doing some basic resarch, for example Texas is still in the USA, No people in Argentina do not speak Portuguese, yes Me, The Flute Keeper speaks several languages and if that makes me less of an Indian well, what can I say - in the eyes of some of sou GermanoIndianers Creatures that could be considered too educated for your taste... but to all of you who still havent had the time to visit my page here is something I came out with the past few days... enjoy it!
Dear Friends,Critics, Fans, Enemies and Sore loosers...

Here I am again.

I like to thank all of you who have taken the time to send me mails, add information in forums and just plain have taken the time to keep on talking about me. Who was it that said `people would do anything for 15 minutes of fame`... was it Any Warhol?... I can´t rememebr who but sure enough was right. Thanks to the net we have now more and more people who think they can prove the world how smart they are and, it seems to me that some are very eager to prove just the opposite.. The letters in favor, I keep, the ones against and who like to trash me I will answer.. but some of them just answer themselves, like the one from the TWO different people in Sweden who still claim that I am from Texas Argentina.. I still can´t believe that the country's who gives away the Noble Prize has its Nationals in the dark as to where Texas is. So be it! also ONE more person from the same country claims that people in Argentina speaks Portuguese.. well, nothing to say there, we had in the USA an ex-vice president who said that if he could speak Latin he would travel to Latin America.. what do you know, he must had had some Swedish blood.

But what this letter brings you now is something that happen to me last night during a concert I was giving in a cute little city in Germany. Yeap, what can I say.. I still work every week end and it seems that my goal of resting for 2009 is slowly fading away due to the amount of concerts I have for the year in turn and you have to get it while is hot! anyway, as I was saying; I was giving a concert and suddenly I had a Visionary Quest (to those of you who like to attack me for not being your kind of Indian, YES I said Visionary Quest - Visions Quest are not discussed here and you will see what I mean as we read more)... so anyway, I had my Visionary Quest and it came to me that it is mostly Germans who are responsible of the misconception of what an Indian is like. Let me explain.- When one of your kin wrote those books about the Apache who dresses like a Comanche and even has a canoe in Oklahoma (?) a can of worms was opened. One day to the other Germans began to write books about Indians and as usual, like any other light colored person `Knew More than we do about our people`and the whole mess beg an... They started dressing like Indians, giving each others names , doing Powwows, learning chants, dances, names and so on.. all from books THEY wrote - some good, some fiction and some just plain crap. But the ones with the fiction made it good and what do you know, they became bibles to many of these new GermanoIndian Race (sounds good.. probably not right but sounds goods nevertheless)... so when I was invited to Germany to do my first series of Concerts, I just didn't´t fit the bill. Why?, not because I don´t look like an Indian, or because I don´t speak like one from the movies, or because I have short (or no) hair, or maybe it was that I didn't have the fringed jacket, the wolf printed sweater (made in Peru) or I didn´t wave my hand in a circle when I said hi (or howwww do you do - with heavy Indian accent) ... no, I was not fitted to be Indian enough in the eyes of those who so eager want to move and live in an Indian Reservation where the Buffalo Roam and we all live in Tipis and never work because The Creator provides all for us.... So when I was invited to do some talks (I did 3 or 4 talks about Indians, but had no idea of what to say but what I have lived and other Indians friends lived like - which by the way are not all Lakota... another loved misconception of this GermanoIndian Creature... all have to be Lakota, speak Lakota and be realted by adoption to one of them)... going back to these talks, I told them what is a fact and how Names (Indian names) don´t come in your sleep nor while in an Amsterdam cafe or is given by another GermanoIndian Creature. Soon I was labeled as a Non Real Indian, what can I say... I didn't´t feel the bill nor I played their game so I was out... I had no problem, I went to sleep with a clean conscience and woke up with a good feeling. But there were those who wanted me to be something I was not and they became my enemies.. what can I say, I was not in the mood to play GermanoIndian and Shoe of Manitou games (sorry for the spelling, I am sure it is spelled in another way but you know what I mean)... So life went on and what do you know, I started to get certain fame and reputation and soon I had more bookings than I expected in Germany... Hey, I am in the business and I took (and still take) the work when is there... money for my retirement fund and for those goodies I like so much. But as time went by I learnt a lot from these creatures.. and I learnt that they are not what the books say about them.. let me explain, you see I love music and when you hear of Beethoven, well you would think that EVERYONE in Bonn plays music.. after all ALL GermanoIndian Creatures think all Indians are Medicine Man (they call them Sahamans... but Shamans are from South of the Border and not from the USA... well, forgot to mention that many of these GermanoIndian Creatures love to mix New Age with Budism, Yoga, Yogurt and Buffalo Meat in their Vision Quest for a reincarnated life where they were Indians and lived with other Indians of their kin)... and all of this just to let you know... and don´t believe that all Germans walk around in Green Shorts and dacne around with a beer mug (those cute mugs with a metal cover) and for sure not all German Girls wear cute tail on their heads and show their ... you know what I mean... too bad, it seemed like such fun!

What Kind of Indian am I?

Do I go to the desert and Pray? It seems to me, as I come to this assertion that I did a lot of praying in the Desert. let me explain, I am the New Age Indian - the one who has a casino so near that he would spend more time in it than in any other place during any given time of the day (or night). So like a good New Age Indian. I did my share of traveling to the Desert (Palm Springs, Las Vegas, and many other Desert Cities where casinos we relocated) and did LOTS, and I mean LOTS of praying in front of gambling tables. You can see many of my brothers sitting in front of them Bingo Tables, Slot Machines and other gambling artifacts praying and paying and praying never answered but prays took place for hours and hours...and if that is not a Visionary Quest. you tell me! ... once I did my journey to Spirit Mountain, but to be honest I have visited more times Magic Mountain in Valencia California. as well as the Spirit Mountain Casino in Oregon. so you see, I am just your everyday human, with dreams, with hopes, with sorrows and with lots, and lots of decisions to take each day, but one is for sure already taken and that is; I will not use what I don´t know to get something from someone who doesn't know better. Come to see me, share couple of hours with me and my group, enjoy some good dancing, good music, and dance with us, play with us and be happy for a very affordable price (our shows are family oriented and cheap in price but never in quality)... if you have questions about Spirituality and if you think our music will heal you GOOD for you, you did it and ONLY you, we bring you the music.. you channel it as you may see fits your needs and, we would be happy and glad for you. No bull, not taking and not using where we came from to take advantage of your needs...

Horses, long hair and other expalnations to come... today I just wanted to say this!
And one more thing, stop by and say hello when you visit some of my events...

Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Superdog on February 17, 2009, 02:26:51 pm
Hmm....that was a lot of words that didn't say anything....kind of like a George Bush speech....

You're still not Kiowa and selling yourself as Kiowa...and apparently making a lot of money at it and found a place where you're somewhat accepted...in Germany (not among Kiowas).

What's the point of that speech you just wrote.

and it's Nobel Prize btw...
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Elke on February 17, 2009, 06:18:38 pm
lol


"SAY NO TO PIRACY "

----

and no answer- equal if NA, not Na or whatelse--- why nobody should copy De Carlos stuff while he is/was copying all time... for example as long as the craft- starting page existed-- the picture of the wellmade Artifacts---- the pic was stolen from a webpage from UK . from a Native Lady doing Craftwork...

Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: The Flute keeper on February 20, 2009, 11:30:31 am
What can I say... seems than more than keeping people happy with my shows, I also keep people busy in the net... The more you talk about me, the more I get going... whta bothers you? the fact that people shows in my events? or the fact that you never asked to be in them. The doors were always open to any vendors but it seems that you closed the doors and now you have to do your talking behind close doors. My company is doing events all over the world and we get more and more people showing to these fun gatherings. It is not just Germany, where the Indian Shows (karl may Thank you) seem to be popular and where the Peruvian Groups started their street shows - are popular. It is all over Europe and many other countries in other far away places. I do my tour in Germany with German dancers, and bring Natives when possible and when the budgets are available. Still, you and many others want to prove something about something that has nothing to do with what we at GiLa Music does.
Dear Elke, as I mentioned before - and many times over and over, WE ARE in Showbusiness and if you think that you (and all like you, full of anger and envy) want to promote me as anything that suits your needs, so be it! Keep up with my updates, my schedule and thanks for the free advertising, I have had an increase of orders in the past few weeks and somehow it seems that you keep people visiting my page and judging by themselves and what do you know... more sales. Thank you
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: The Flute keeper on February 20, 2009, 11:47:01 am
Hmm....that was a lot of words that didn't say anything....kind of like a George Bush speech....

You're still not Kiowa and selling yourself as Kiowa...and apparently making a lot of money at it and found a place where you're somewhat accepted...in Germany (not among Kiowas).

What's the point of that speech you just wrote.

and it's Nobel Prize btw...

Thanks, sometimes I write while on the road and sometimes I get the spelling wrong, I will get to it and it is Noble to have a Noble Prize. And by the way, I don´t sell my self as Kiowa, I sell my self as a average flute player... not as good as many out there but I am still working at it. I do other things as well like making flutes with chldren (using plastic PVC) and have fun doing it. Sometimes we also get together and do some amateur drum circles - still working at it, and sometimes we just do nothing - very good at this. Take Care
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Superdog on February 20, 2009, 12:26:06 pm
You dress up as Kiowa to sell your shows and flute cd's.  You tell people you're Kiowa.  You're website is inundated with pictures of you in Anadarko...being Kiowa is a selling point for your music.  You're selling yourself as Kiowa...let's not play semantics.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: The Flute keeper on February 20, 2009, 01:17:18 pm
So how is it going in your sideo f the world? Having a hot summer there? Here we have snow.
So I dress Kiowa - I wish I could but no, my show dress is not tribal in anyway. Actually I make my own outfits and sometimes I just wear a plain ribbon shirt - you mention my site so that makes me believe you have seen my outfits. I sell flutes... YES, I do try to sell my handmade flutes but as far as I know I have never claim that I make KIOWA flutes... They are Native American Fashion Flutes and again, I do the best I can making these flutes. You can find better and I some even better looking than mine, but people buying them seem to like them. I do not sell Crazy Crow Flutes (good flutes I may add) just my own creations. ALL my shows are advertised as Indian Festival, and include Azetc dancers, Powwow dancers (some good, some not so good but they sure give their heart on the stage). I don´t go around selling pipes, feathers nor so called Real Beaded Items made in CZ Republic (like the lady who has set her own forum and advertises her store where you can buy pipes and all non Indian made goods). It seems that everything about me can be twisted to justify your want to be right ways. I f I dress like this, like that, my hair, my lack of it, my shirt, my music - have you listened to the CD I gave you? if you have you have noticed that mine is a combination od new sounds with Native Flute and many other hand made instruments. And as for the Anadarko pics, hey what can I say... a picture is worth a thousand words and I am not about to show where I come from with papers just to please someones ego. I tell you a cute story; Years backm Mother Theresa was traveling to Spain. At the Airport (Madrid) they asked her for her passport, she took out her Indian passport (from India) and she had no entry visa... so, what do you think it happen? well, the guy in charge had to call and ask his boss and his boss told him to let her in without any need for the visa... while she placing her passport in her bag, she took out her diplomant passport frm Vatican City... NO NEED for visa. The customs agent ask her why didn´t she show tha passport and saved him the trouble... she answered - I only use it only for special occasions... Have a good day and enjoy the weather there, it sure is nicer than in here.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Superdog on February 20, 2009, 02:07:12 pm
I find your comments kind of odd....I got plenty of snow here too. 

but once again....you're playing semantics.  You use Kiowa as a selling point and you're not Kiowa.  The pictures don't really tell any story.  Anyone can go do Anadarko.  What families do you know that live there??  Ever played for the Kiowa community there??

I've seen the vids of you on German television dancing...you have a great speech about wannabe Indians in Germany....ever wonder how they get it so wrong...by watching guys like you.  If you just played your music and took out your references to being Kiowa (including the outfit and bad dancing) I don't think anyone would have a problem with you.  But you don't and the problem exists.  It's not up to me to fix you though...you know where the problem lies, but admitting it my hurt your pocketbook and that would take strength I don't see you having.  A big ego isn't a sign of strength, but a sign of insecurity.  You're not impressing anyone with it.  You don't have to please me...I could care less about ya, but I know good music when I see it and I won't be buying your music anytime soon.  Flutes are one of the oldest instruments on this earth...every culture has them in some form or another....even in classical music the two instruments that tie the music to nature are flute and drums.  Playing flute isn't a Native American phenomena.  It's the fact that you put on Indian festivals with non-Indians representing the Indians (including yourself) and you use that as a jumping off point to sell your own music...that's where the problem lies.  You're not being truthful....just little tidbits of truth surrounded by a fantasy that sells CD's.  You're in the same category as the Peruvian pan flute bands that dress up as North American natives to sell their CD's and give themselves names like "Cherokee Spirit".

Lies happen by omission as well....

Just callin' you out on the semantics play you're doing....that's all.  The rest is you talking a lot without saying anything.  You may want to consider a career in politics.

Superdog

p.s.

Btw...you're not Mother Teresa...that story has nothing to with anything.  Nice misdirection attempt.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: The Flute keeper on February 20, 2009, 05:04:06 pm
Well, well, well, what do you know... those reading this (besides you, I hope) would be able to see that you are just so full of hate that pours in the lines you write. Whatever I do, whatever I say it would be something you hate. Mr. Superdog, whatever your name is and whatever you hide from - you see, I give my mail, my name and all when I go out and say what I have to say... you in the other hand, like the rest of you kin hide with made up names... mine is The Flute Keeper (like it or not and by law it is) it was given to me - I was there when it took place and I know how it was so I did not get it from some overnight wish to become something like a superdog... keep it up, go for it... use this, and many other forums to dischage your anger and your whatever is that bothers you... at the end, if my music does not help you it seems that hating me helps you and it is much cheaper than the therapy you seem to need so desperly... sorry if my spelling is not that good and you are right, I am not Mother Theresa, but let me ask you Who Made You GOD to be so perfect and so eager to change us simple humans?... and one more thing, I have played in many places in Anadarko, in many tribes of the area, in many elders centers (CADDO; KIOWA; COMANCHE, etc.) I have done many workshops in there as well, at the High School, The Indian School in Anadarko, Gernomino High School, and many more... also I have done my workshops in many other tribes like the PAWNEE, and others in Oregon and California, so don´t go around thinking hat I just do this in Germany, Holland, Sweden, DK, UK and as far as Japan and Greece. I have been around in this show business and flute making deal for over 25 years and I don´t think I will make it for another 25 (age is a factor here). Have a good day, wherever you are and whomever you are.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: educatedindian on February 21, 2009, 02:08:17 am
It's a good idea leave in DeCarlo's ramblings, anger, and bad English. Obviously his own words help hang him as much as anything anyone has said.

I for one would like to see evidence of his having played at these places. Some of it seems he made up based on what he thought would sound convincing, but didn't really know much about. For example, Geronimo High School is not on any Apache rez, it's almost all non-Natives who attend.
http://www.geronimo.k12.ok.us/

One of Mr. DeCarlo's critics provided me with a statement from Kiowa Tribal Enrollment.

(http://C:\Documents and Settings\Toshiba\My Documents\enrollment kiowa tribe 1, de carlo.bmp)

Edit: Excuse my poor computer skills. The letter reads.

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Kiowa Tribal Enrollment
PO 369
Carnegie, OK 73015
Ph 580/654-2300

To whom it may concern,
This is to certify that the name of Geo "The Flute Keeper" DeCarlo AKA Tdom Bah Toden Xkee
Date of Birth 12/16/57
is NOT shown on the current membership of the Kiowa Tribe of Oklahoma..

It has also been verified that there is not a pending application on file for the above named person.

Verified by Lisa Koomsa, Enrollment Clerk.
Notarized by Matt D Boetgen, Notary Public
Subscribed and Sworn Before Me on 7/24/07.

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I will also gladly forward it to anyone requesting or needing it.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: kosowith on February 21, 2009, 10:01:08 am
Just wondering - does the "respected Kiowa medicine man" he says named him actually exist?  Or is it the traditional, "I can say what I want about my relationship to this respected leader since he has walked on"  We see so many of these people who claim they were given the rights to a ceremony and told to take it to the world, but it is always from someone who has walked on and it can not be verified.  I would think that if this was such a earth shakig event there would be a number of people who remembered the event. Has anyone ever checked that out?
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: The Flute keeper on February 22, 2009, 07:13:08 pm
Yes, he did and he was a respected man. Why is it that everything has to be on paper? I can tell you IT Took place, I was there, his wife was there and it took place. For as long as I know iz, I feel at peace and that is all it takes. One more thing, Geronimo School... I never said it was in an Apache Rez. Again, this is how things get started. I will leave this forum, I have said my peace and if my English was not good enough, sorry I just wanted to say (in my own UN-educated way) what I felt and for once give my point in all of this mess. If I have misslead any of you, sorry, I will keep on playing my music. You can listen or you can choose not to, that is what freedom is all ablut after all. But don´t go around joining a whole bunch of people who look for other to help them trow stones and then saying; but it wasn´t mine the one who did the boold sheding. If any of you have problem with my english (bad or good, sorry... you can always edit as you fits)
Have a good life and I guess I will heard from you in one way or another, for now I must go and keep on working.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: The Flute keeper on February 22, 2009, 07:15:25 pm
Sorry, wrong pic.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: The Flute keeper on February 22, 2009, 07:21:12 pm
It's a good idea leave in DeCarlo's ramblings, anger, and bad English. Obviously his own words help hang him as much as anything anyone has said.

I for one would like to see evidence of his having played at these places. Some of it seems he made up based on what he thought would sound convincing, but didn't really know much about. For example, Geronimo High School is not on any Apache rez, it's almost all non-Natives who attend.
http://www.geronimo.k12.ok.us/

One of Mr. DeCarlo's critics provided me with a statement from Kiowa Tribal Enrollment.

(http://C:\Documents and Settings\Toshiba\My Documents\enrollment kiowa tribe 1, de carlo.bmp)

Edit: Excuse my poor computer skills. The letter reads.

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Kiowa Tribal Enrollment
PO 369
Carnegie, OK 73015
Ph 580/654-2300

To whom it may concern,
This is to certify that the name of Geo "The Flute Keeper" DeCarlo AKA Tdom Bah Toden Xkee
Date of Birth 12/16/57
is NOT shown on the current membership of the Kiowa Tribe of Oklahoma..

It has also been verified that there is not a pending application on file for the above named person.

Verified by Lisa Koomsa, Enrollment Clerk.
Notarized by Matt D Boetgen, Notary Public
Subscribed and Sworn Before Me on 7/24/07.

------------------------

I will also gladly forward it to anyone requesting or needing it.

I am sorry, at this time I am on tour but I will try to bring you more like this.... then again, whatever I do YOU already have set your mind to what your think is the truth!
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: The Flute keeper on February 22, 2009, 07:22:42 pm
one more I found
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: kosowith on February 22, 2009, 07:42:42 pm
I am sorry, but I do not understand what your pictures are meant to prove.  I have a picture of myself taken standing beside the Dali Lama, but he would not remember me or know who I am if asked.  I am just one of the millions who have had their picture taken with him.  Also, as far as the newpaper articles they are too small for me to see what they are saying and that has nothing to do with your naming or relationship with anyone.  What I was saying in my post was that it seems that it would be a simple thign to have people who were there when you got named to end the controversy.  I know that at home it takes an extended group to take part in a naming, so based on that there should be a number of people who could verify this event for you.  I've been to several namings in different areas in Oklahoma and the have always been rather large extended family events, and the naming took more than just, "'we're going to call you "new name" now".  We do give nick-names without a ceremony and they are usually meant to bring someone back down to earth when they are getting too full of themselves.  I guess there is much about your post that I do not understand.  Do you lead people to thing that you are Kiowa or not - Do you dress in what most people would call a pan-indian outfit to promote yourself or not?  I remain confused.


 
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - Claims to be Kiowa
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 22, 2009, 08:13:36 pm

In his own words: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlzb0kC-zwo

At 0:56 the Interviewer asks:

Q: Are you a real Indian?
A: My tribe is Kiowa.
Q: Kiowa?
A: Yes. We are in Oklahoma. Is pretty much the border with, uh, Texas.

Other videos linked further up thread.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Elke on February 22, 2009, 11:19:36 pm
So how is it going in your sideo f the world? Having a hot summer there? Here we have snow.
So I dress Kiowa - I wish I could but no, my show dress is not tribal in anyway. Actually I make my own outfits and sometimes I just wear a plain ribbon shirt - you mention my site so that makes me believe you have seen my outfits. I sell flutes... YES, I do try to sell my handmade flutes but as far as I know I have never claim that I make KIOWA flutes... They are Native American Fashion Flutes and again, I do the best I can making these flutes. You can find better and I some even better looking than mine, but people buying them seem to like them. I do not sell Crazy Crow Flutes (good flutes I may add) just my own creations. ALL my shows are advertised as Indian Festival, and include Azetc dancers, Powwow dancers (some good, some not so good but they sure give their heart on the stage). I don´t go around selling pipes, feathers nor so called Real Beaded Items made in CZ Republic (like the lady who has set her own forum and advertises her store where you can buy pipes and all non Indian made goods).

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Do you speak of me?????????????

Sorry-- I never sold catlinite pipes---- just some of brass- reproductions of an engraved original used in the 1700s from the Iroquois people- trade items at that times and surely no holy things....
I never sold feathers from birds of pray- just turkey- yes to some NA people this is also a feather to pray--- but it is legal....
Yes, I sell Replicas made in Europe beside original NA made items....--- For every item, the buyer will get a correct provenance(No, I don't need to sell my stuff as what it is not-- my customers know that- and they come again....)

I don't have an own forum on my side- I never run one in my lifetime....

Or don't you speak of me?????????????
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Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Elke on February 22, 2009, 11:35:05 pm
I feel sorry that I again have to go to your webpage--- I search for your new stuff...

I didn't ant but I found that:

http://www.gilamusic.com/april.html

"Gastro aus der Indianerküche----Schwein am Spieß mit Fladen, dazu Feuerwasser, Wein und Gerstensaft"

"Basteln mit Indianerin"

und dazu...

Sponsoring von einer Bierfirma....

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Sagt mal-- aber seid ihr wirklich sooo auftrittsgeil, das ihr euch selbst sowas antut?

Da der direkte  Hinweis auf der HP stark vermuten läßt, das es sich bei einem Teil Eures Programmes um ähnliches wie am Bostalsee letzten August handelt.........
finde ich die Aussage:
"Basteln mit Indianerin"
------------------------ich nehme an , die Rede ist von Jackie-----------------
doch als seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehr gewagt!


Hey guys-- we have 2 real Indians out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Ma, wat bin ich froh, das der Veranstalter sich bei mir nicht mehr gemeldet hat.... puhhhhh--- meinen Ruf kann ich mir auch selber ruinieren!---- muß ich aber Gott sei Dank ja nicht!

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Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Elke on February 23, 2009, 12:20:09 am
What I really don't understand---- at your 8th edition of your "letter to the world"... Why are you writing against the people- you want to sell your flutes to....

I mean--- all that people, that want something from you (that you show your enrollment or the supporting groups like red clouds etc) are bad guys--- why?-- because they don't behave as you want?

I don't understand that.... really....

when you want to protect your NA culture- as you always say....
and when all that somehow feather decorated German guys you don't like would be not there----

you wouldn't have anybody there you can bring to the stage or you can sell  a flute to....

or in other words:

Why do you go to German powwows than-- as that one 2 days ago....

and when you have a problem with me--- why didn't you even speak with me....

I have a copy of the paper here, from Kiowa Nation, as it was posted here....
So- no problem- I don't write things here that I can't verify---

Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Elke on February 23, 2009, 12:08:05 pm
and what I wonder--- why are you so agressive against Ingeborg on your webpage----

The research on you was started by "Linden Museum Stuttgard" when you asked for doing a concert there....

Are they also stupid people???  I just can wonder.....
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Superdog on February 23, 2009, 02:28:12 pm
Well, well, well, what do you know... those reading this (besides you, I hope) would be able to see that you are just so full of hate that pours in the lines you write. Whatever I do, whatever I say it would be something you hate. Mr. Superdog, whatever your name is and whatever you hide from - you see, I give my mail, my name and all when I go out and say what I have to say... you in the other hand, like the rest of you kin hide with made up names... mine is The Flute Keeper (like it or not and by law it is) it was given to me - I was there when it took place and I know how it was so I did not get it from some overnight wish to become something like a superdog... keep it up, go for it... use this, and many other forums to dischage your anger and your whatever is that bothers you... at the end, if my music does not help you it seems that hating me helps you and it is much cheaper than the therapy you seem to need so desperly... sorry if my spelling is not that good and you are right, I am not Mother Theresa, but let me ask you Who Made You GOD to be so perfect and so eager to change us simple humans?... and one more thing, I have played in many places in Anadarko, in many tribes of the area, in many elders centers (CADDO; KIOWA; COMANCHE, etc.) I have done many workshops in there as well, at the High School, The Indian School in Anadarko, Gernomino High School, and many more... also I have done my workshops in many other tribes like the PAWNEE, and others in Oregon and California, so don´t go around thinking hat I just do this in Germany, Holland, Sweden, DK, UK and as far as Japan and Greece. I have been around in this show business and flute making deal for over 25 years and I don´t think I will make it for another 25 (age is a factor here). Have a good day, wherever you are and whomever you are.

Well if you see my criticism of you promoting yourself as a Kiowa flute player when you're not Kiowa as hate then  you are seeing things through your own prism.  It's certainly not personal...I would call out anyone who does the same thing.  That's my point.  All the rest of your "arguments" are just fluff and feathers.  There's no real substance there and I see right through it and I'm sure everyone else does as well.  Your own words are the most damaging to your position.  You kinda have a tendency to talk out of both sides of your mouth...one line claiming to be a victim..the next taunting.  Can't have it both ways.

Let me just say that I understand your position.  As someone who's been involved in music I know the pressure some individuals put on themselves to "stand out" and so they create personas that they think will sell on stage.  Let's be honest, in the realm of music artists who've had success there are some real talents and there are some people who became famous, not from talent, but from a schtick that people found entertaining.  I believe you're of the second variety....your schtick is playing Indian because it helps promote the instrument you play and helps you get shows and keeps the money flowing.  You spend a lot of time fluffing up that stage persona so it doesn't hurt your pocketbook, but it's all an act.  You know it and I know it, so please stop playing the victim here.  You're the one perpetuating the falsehoods...you're the one promoting yourself as a representative of a people far away from their home and making money off their backs. 

My guess is the stage persona you created is a result insecurity about your art.  If the music you play is based off of great talent...it wouldn't take "stage clothes" to make it look a certain way.  Great music sounds great no matter what.  So I'd challenge you to take off the act....just make music.  Be Giovanni the flute player and have some real respect for yourself and you might find people would respect your music for the music you make...not the clothes you wear on stage.  It's your call though.  I can't make you understand how to better yourself...you have to make that choice...but you have something that works for you on some level...you receive a payoff from it (compliments, praise, as well as financial) so you're gonna have a hard time letting that go, but if you take a minute and stand outside yourself and look at what you do with some objectivity you might find that the cost to receive that payoff is truly great.  You've given up truth and your true self in order to be praised by people that you scoff openly at.  I can see how that inner turmoil has gotten you to this stage, so I truly don't hate you...I pity you.  You've given yourself a sentence I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. 

I realize also that I'm talking to an individual who's spent years and years perpetuating this stage act and more than likely it's the only successful thing you see in your life so my words aren't gonna change you so I'll leave this thread because there's really no getting through to you, but I'm glad the words here show an example to others that may be heading down that same road what the end result will be and the only thing it leads to is trouble...internally and externally. 

Lastly....just food for your own thought giovanni...why do you hide from your true self.  Why have you given up being Giovanni?  It's a rhetorical question...no need for a response...just a suggestion that you may need some time for personal reflection and being true about it when you do it.  My guess is something's happened that makes it very difficult for you to do that so it's easier living out your life on a stage...rather than living life.

Superdog
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Elke on February 23, 2009, 05:02:51 pm
ok- I write here, but can write it also in other forums--- but you are here --- What nice guys always say to me-- clear it with himself--- so I do now....

You tell me to look for what I write in forums--- Ohhh well , yes I do!

as I say--- If I don't have  it black-on-white-- I would not do it.... I'm not stupid!

 But are you really sure, that you take care of yourself? eeegh?????

written by de Carlo on his webpage -- I found it there  at 23.2.09  . Yesterday somebody phoned me that you wrote it on your special letter to the world- I was searching for this- but could not find it-- but now it layed on my table...

de Carlo:
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And out of all people, this lady ELKE, has the nerve to talk about this? you should see the crafts she sells including Homemade Videos (where are the rights for those videos, sure enough she is not reporting this to GEMA - when ALL of my CDs are legally made in Germany and with all taxes paid), Sacred Stone Pipes, bead work made in CZ Republic, skins from Sweden, Native American Imitation crafts from Mexico, China, Indonesia and who knows where else... careful what you say and careful where you spit, it just may come back to your face.

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from:
http://www.gilamusic.com/2009_letter.html

Thanks for that "honor" beeing on your webpage!-- Gladly you show the world that Iam not behaving as you want it and as you like it!!!!!
Thanks for that!  And when I will ever know from somewhere that I am on one of your films or whereever-- than beware!  I don't want to be in the mouth of somebody the same time you are in!!!!!!!!!!
I don't sell homemade videos-- YOU DO---
I don't even have a camera or something else here to play video tapes or DVDs.... sorry--- I want to have but I hope to buy later when I am more finished with my new home- I'm still working on.
You can report to GEMA whatever you will... I pay for my personal TV and Radio correctly, also I had not the time since a half year to use it....
My CDs or DVDs I'm selling are from retailers in US..... from there where everybody else got them from----

would be fine if you can show me anyone who says that I ever sold a copy of somewhat like that.......

--- And when I organize events-- than surelly I pay GEMA as well...... and I ever paid my tax.......

as I said-- I just sell some brass trade pipes--- copies of engraved ones, former sold to Iroquois people in US--- I bought them in Canada from a well known Native related company there.....

within the year, I sell maybe 10 items that were made in Tchech Republic......, yes I do that--- BUT as I said- I always give a correct provenance of any item I sell- I ever did that.....

skins from Sweden--- ahem- sorry- from where????
The furs I sell comes from Canada, mainly or from retailers here.....

I don't sell imitating crafts from Mexico, Indonesia or china...

oh, sorry.... I forgot--- I know what you mean....

http://shop.strato.de/epages/61125151.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61125151/Products/belt-888

that more than 100 years old belt beaded at Malakka straight by some chinese for a wedding ceremony....

and even from Africa:

http://shop.strato.de/epages/61125151.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61125151/Products/schu-2rt
this older Ndebele belt..... sorry I forgot that....

at the moment--- sorry for that-- but just my customers came back again...

Best regards from ELke/  http://www.redstar-tradingpost.com/

sorry, I didn't translate everything to English-- I had not so much time but working on it....
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 23, 2009, 08:08:48 pm
I can't make you understand how to better yourself...you have to make that choice...but you have something that works for you on some level...you receive a payoff from it (compliments, praise, as well as financial) so you're gonna have a hard time letting that go, but if you take a minute and stand outside yourself and look at what you do with some objectivity you might find that the cost to receive that payoff is truly great.  You've given up truth and your true self in order to be praised by people that you scoff openly at.  I can see how that inner turmoil has gotten you to this stage, so I truly don't hate you...I pity you.  You've given yourself a sentence I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

I realize also that I'm talking to an individual who's spent years and years perpetuating this stage act and more than likely it's the only successful thing you see in your life so my words aren't gonna change you so I'll leave this thread because there's really no getting through to you, but I'm glad the words here show an example to others that may be heading down that same road what the end result will be and the only thing it leads to is trouble...internally and externally.


Thank you for your words, Superdog. I'm glad someone said that today, not just for the subject of this thread, but for everyone who reads this forum... most especially the exploiters, predators and those who defend them.  I also hope anyone who is just starting on that slippery slope - whether it be that of selling out their people to make a buck and get some ego-boo, or creating a new persona out of whole cloth - is open to taking in this message. It's a more spiritual thing than they'll ever get from selling ceremonies or dressing up as a pretendian.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Elke on February 24, 2009, 12:25:32 am
@ superdog--- yes your words are good---- but it seems that it won't help (when I look at the 11th edition of his letter...)

But is here anybody who can speak Greek???????????????

Why?

It seems that de Carlo was there before he left to go to Germany....


http://www.4uthesite.com/store.php?tablename=attiki&id=1998

http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/butterflyspirit/
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Ingeborg on February 24, 2009, 08:30:08 pm
I found some interesting videos at Signore Giovanni's site at http://gilamusic.com/videos.html I especially recommend the last one titled "Andes Dancers" which seem very traditional Andes ladies (sarcasm off); you can also watch it at http://gilamusic.com/belgium_videos.html and then click at "Andes Dancers". Watching this, the word 'overkill' comes to mind.

Then I would like to recommend to view this video at de Carlo's site titled "An oldie but still alive" (scroll down to the middle of the site) and then compare with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05-xjql_pE8 - title Sacred Spirit. Please also note the sentence "Say No to Piracy" at de Carlo's site.


There are discussions at several German languages forums, e.g. at http://www.powwow-kalender.de/forum/index.htm (the thread is titled "Berühmtheit" - i.e. 'celebrity'). At the bottom of page 1 of this thread, there is an entry by Ms Jackie Fischer whom you, Mr de Carlo, cooperate with. She writes:
"[...] And that he perhaps is not enrolled, does that mean he cannot have ancestors of this tribe? [...]"
This does make me wonder as we seem to have differing versions about your tribal affiliation resp being ndn, as e.g. in the video Kathryn mentioned before where you claimed you are Kiowa, Ms Fischer seems to be rather undecided and suspects you may not be enrolled.




Here's a translation of the event mentioned before, the "Easter Spectacle: Indian Party" at Sunday, April 11, 2009 in the city of Strausberg.

"Entrance fee: Euro 5, children up to 5 years: no entrance fee, up to 14: Euro 3, students/unemployed persons: Euro 4 [...]

All Indian friends small and tall and those who want to become friends of the Indians are invited to plunge into the Wild West and to sit at a fireplace in the midth of tipis. You dream of the wide prairies? Learn more about Indians and their customs. Let the old times come true again and feel like the North American natives. When knives and tomahawks are whirling through the air, lassos circle and the peace pipe is being smoked, you can forget all problems of everyday life and work. There will be spectacular fighting scenes, breathtaking artistic shows and Indian horsemanship. And: gastronomy from the Indian kitchen, pig on a spit and fry bread, as well as firewater, wine, and barley juice, Indian camp with Indian tipis and Indian live music, Indian dances, Indian stunt shows on horses with fire show, Indian games, Indian drum music, powwow dances, Aztec dance show, handicraft courses with Indian women, shooting with bow and arrows, throwing axes and knives, throwing horseshoes and circling lassos."

This is the official invitation text written by the organizers.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 24, 2009, 09:11:08 pm
Here's a translation of the event mentioned before, the "Easter Spectacle: Indian Party" at Sunday, April 11, 2009 in the city of Strausberg.

"Entrance fee: Euro 5, children up to 5 years: no entrance fee, up to 14: Euro 3, students/unemployed persons: Euro 4 [...]

All Indian friends small and tall and those who want to become friends of the Indians are invited to plunge into the Wild West and to sit at a fireplace in the midth of tipis. You dream of the wide prairies? Learn more about Indians and their customs. Let the old times come true again and feel like the North American natives. When knives and tomahawks are whirling through the air, lassos circle and the peace pipe is being smoked, you can forget all problems of everyday life and work. There will be spectacular fighting scenes, breathtaking artistic shows and Indian horsemanship. And: gastronomy from the Indian kitchen, pig on a spit and fry bread, as well as firewater, wine, and barley juice, Indian camp with Indian tipis and Indian live music, Indian dances, Indian stunt shows on horses with fire show, Indian games, Indian drum music, powwow dances, Aztec dance show, handicraft courses with Indian women, shooting with bow and arrows, throwing axes and knives, throwing horseshoes and circling lassos."

This is the official invitation text written by the organizers.

Oh holy crap. I don't know whether to puke or cry.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Elke on February 24, 2009, 10:25:43 pm
@ Ingeborg....

thank you for translation--- somethings I put here in but in German (I know that Mrs Fischer and De Carlo will sit together in front of their computer-- so he will get a translation....

The thing is-- of this event.

The organiser contacted me--- BEFORE I even had known, that de Carlo and Mrs Fisher would do the event....

This event- agency is very small- they mainly do medieval markets-- small ones. (when I compare this to English reanactor markets or big events like battle at Jena Auerstädt -- Napoleonic war)

This event- agancy looked for traders for the event and support....
That's where I got some knowledge from.

The official poster--- I found later at gila-site   and I was very happy that the agency stopped stealing my time....

But than to read: BIG EVENT  at de Carlos site..... lol......
If this is a big event to him (8 Tipis and a stuntshow) than: good night!
This shows unprofecionallity--- nothing else!

But the sad thing is:

This group makes shows for dumping prices---- Native and Non-Native Artists and Entertainers who work professionally are bid out by this low price group----

------------- what it makes it very difficult for others to get a salary that covers the costs--- also for NA dancers and Entertainers.....
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Elke on February 24, 2009, 10:37:04 pm
the direct link to--- Celebrity
http://www.powwow-kalender.de/cgi-bin/cutecast/cutecast.pl?forum=3&thread=362&page=1

http://www.powwow-kalender.de/cgi-bin/cutecast/cutecast.pl?forum=3&thread=182&page=2

@ Ingeborg...

klick auf die rechte Maustaste-- dann im Fenster auf " Link in neuem Fenster öffnen" und dann haste dort den richtigen, direkten Link
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: kosowith on February 24, 2009, 10:38:12 pm
This sounds like a Dutch organization that sponsored some thing called the Outlaw Cafe - dinner show. The promotion clip showed a white guy dunking a screaming Indian into a horse trough head first followed by “and you can enjoy this wild west life too…”  I wrote and asked a number of other people to write to complain about the "you get to kill your own Indian" and the stereotypes they promoted with. They had Winitu strutting around,  They had Sitting Bull sitting on a blanket in front of his wigwam surrounded by his 5 or 6 old and wrinkled (the s-word) listening to the howling prairie dogs.  I tried to explain how damaging this was and how incorrect – Sitting Bull was a respected elder and didn’t sit in front of a wigwam, prairie dogs don’t howl they chirp, etc, etc.  But they said that they weren't hurting anyone and didn't want to hear any nonsense about correcting their stereotypes. I still get hives just thinking about it!!  
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Elke on February 24, 2009, 10:49:10 pm
the andes video... ohhhbrrr... WHAT IS THAT...

I' m shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In my short visits on that side I even didn't find that....

worse and more worse....
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Ingeborg on February 25, 2009, 08:35:59 pm
BTW, Signore Giovanni, you left a guestbook entry at http://www.nativiamericani.it advertising flute workshops. Don't expect too much business coming from that, as the site owner is a member of NAFPS.

..................

Then I found a pretty complete (perhaps too complete...) CV at:
http://www.white-earth.com/evenementenDetail.php?ID=828sectie=3

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The Flute Keeper
by: Alfonso Correa


Native American... and a member of the World Population. You have heard his music from his many albums and played by many well known artists from all walks of life.
In addition to his well known Native American Sounds; he is now including in his new releases Jazz, Easy Listening, a Bit of Rock and Roll and even Heavy Metal all with that special something that makes his music so magical and captivating.
He has played with some big names such as: Carlos Santana (New Orleans Jazz Festival) BB King, Paul Simon, The London Philharmonic Orchestra, The Mexican Philharmonic Jr. Orchestra, Inti-Xkee and many other.
He has earned many recognitions for his compositions: Pendleton Happy Canyon Hall of fame, Indie Award Winner, Music Makers Independent series, LA Music Awards, and GRAMMY AND NAMMY winner with his album Sacred Ground.
His music has been used in many movies, being the most recognized “The Last of the Mohicans” where he plays the solo flute parts for the movies.
His musical talent has taken him all over the world where he has presented his compositions in Japan, Australia, Germany, Spain, France, Austria, England, Turkey, Russia and Greece.
In addition to his musical talent, he is also known in the literally world as a writer of many short novels among we can find: La Sexta Carta, Cartas de amor a un amujer casada and Cocolixtle.
In the USA he has presented his music and Musical Play (Memories from a Distant Past): The Happy Canyon, The Rainbow Cafe in Hollywood, The Country Festival in Nashville Tennessee, The Jazz Festival in New Orleans and hundreds of Pow Wows all trough the USA.
During the 2004 Athens Olympic Games, his music was selected as part of the opening ceremony to introduce the peoples of the world and he was chosen to represent his people during the Cultural Olympics in the city of Hiraklio (Crete).
In Greece he has played in many cities: Larissa, Lamia, Salonica, Bolos, Xefalonia, Rodos and Athens where he did his maximum presentation in the Birona Summer Country Music (Nikos Garavelas Country Music Festival).
The Flute Keeper is currently travelin for his World Wide 2005 Tour making his home base in Buenos Aires Argentina, where he is working in creating a New CD -

In life, there are those who build and those who seed and plant.
The ones who build will eventually be boxed in the walls of their own construction.
Those who seed and plant will harvest and enjoy the flowers of life for every season and more...

About him:
NOTE: this are the most frequent questions asked about him during his shows...
Born in Laredo Texas and educated in many places of the USA and Mexico
His education: Architercture school, got a masters in Math and went to couple of years to Law School. Graduated top of his class from Architecture and worked as an Architect for almost 10 years until he retired and decided to make his dreams part of his life in his own words: "I was tired of telling myself that I wanted to be a writer and one day I was driving to work and took the turn to the opposite direction and drove for 24 hours to never come back to the life I had left behind"
Favorite color: Black in clothing and blue as color
Favorite food: All Junk Food (Doritos, Cookies, Burgers, Pizza, etc.)
Favorite Fancy food: Suchi
Favorite drinks: Coca Cola and Coffee (very black No sugar No Milk)
Favorite hard drink: UZO
Favorite music: ALL - from Mozart to heavy metal NO Salsa - I like Cuban Music, but not the one played nowadays.
Favorite singers: Julio Iglesias, Cat Stevens and Hernaldo Zuniga
Favorite groups: Los Xochimilcas, Night Wish and anything with drums
Favorite movie: Casablanca
Most influential person: My father (RIP)
Most hated persons: Those who go around the world preaching love for one another and hate the neighbor because he has different believes and looks different.
Likes to do most: Work in creating new sounds
Likes the least: Sleeping (he sleeps 4 to 6 hours a day)
Country he likes the best (where he would like to retire): Greece
City where he would like to retire: Veria in Greece
Country he likes the least: None, all the world is beautiful, just give it a chance
His best friend: A guy in Veria, him and his family
His worst enemy: No enemies (that he knows of……)
His Religion: Native American Church - The Love and respect to Mother Earth and The Creator of it all - he is an ordained minister for the Church Of Life which is an agnostic religion.
His age: Too old to be a young Indian and too young to be an old one. I am also not so young enough to know everything. I was born in the middle of the last century and if I had more hair (yes, there are also bold Indians) I would look 15 or more years younger.
How did you ended up in Greece?: Thank to a very good friend of mine. Her name is Linda and she introduce me to The ONLY Greek Indian I know from the city of Veria. He (Dimitris Long Feather) invited me to do a concert presentation in his hometown and from a two week vacation I ended up ““crashing ““ his house for almost 3 months. I then came to Athens and liked the country. I have been coming to Greece often for the past 3 years and now I am working in establishing a music business here in Greece. All the CDs we are offering here in Greece are ““Made In Greece”” and distributed to all the EU. As of December last year (2004) we started exporting Music to Russia and other countries near by (Lebanon and Turkey) so Greece has become my second home and one I have come to love like my own.

Generals:
Lived in Los Angeles, Tucson Arizona, Denver Colorado, Chicago, Oregon... and for a couple of years in Massachusetts. Then went on to travel the world and lived in the UK, Japan, and for a while in Athens Greece.
During those years he was able to get a couple of college degrees and he ended up being an Architect (worked as one for 10 years) and another couple of degrees in Mathematics and even one in Law - USC, U of A, and Harvard.
After all his living in the White Peoples world he retired from Architecture and traveled for more than 4 years visiting the land of his ancestors and participating in many POW WOWs and Gatherings. Finally, he became a minister of his Native American Church. It was in 1993 that he began to make a living as a flute maker and player and the rest is history, with more than 30 CDs recorded and many awards won ever since his first incursion to the musical world he now lives in peace creating more ““mature music”” (as he likes to call his creations). We Must Add that HE HAD no knowledge of music theory (like note reading and scales) and all he plays is by ““ear”” no note reading nor scales to follow.
To some; he is a great musician, to others just a lucky guy who had a break playing and now is famous. But for him playing, and making flutes, is just a blessing The Creator bestow on him, and now he is responsible for taking his melodies all over the World for the people to enjoy (and criticize).
In 1986 he founded de Carlo Publishing and began “publishing” books about the ancient Indian world - Mostly with his own views as to what history had left behind (after all HISTORY was written by the winner and the looser had no saying in the reality of the past). He continued publishing his works and became interested in Flute Making and the History of Ancient Musicals Instruments. Being that is impossible to go to a store and buy these instruments, he began to make them himself following instruction from books and legends, and from there, using his imagination, he began to create the music we listen in his CDs.
For him, everything is a musical instrument, and using Sea Shells, Skins, Logs, Sticks, Pebbles and all kinds of noise making things he has created music and melodies that we now call ““Native to the Americas Music””.
But he is also interested in the current events of the Native American World and he travels making people aware of what Indians are all about and their rich culture.
Lecturer, Preacher and Traveler (and many other things) he brings to the people of the world a little of what the Native American World has to offer to those interested in the Love to Mother Earth and the belief that The Creator Still own everything - NO NEED TO FIGHT FOR things that don’t belong to us in the first place. Land, Food, Space and Freedom are the property of The Creator and for us to USE not to OWN.

Quite a lot of activities... Degrees in architecture, mathmatics and law. At Harvard. Very impressive. Even a minister of the Native American Church, plus for the Church of Life. Same as having played with Carlos Santana, Muddy Waters (shouldn't that be a bit early for someone having taken up music only in 1993), Paul Simon - all this can be checked.

..............

The lady who translates de Carlo in Germany and runs a powwow group, Ms Jackie Fischer, seems to have received her own Indian name (TM), as I saw at Mr de Carlo's website. Just who on earth chose the name "Dances with Butterflies" for her??? Perhaps it takes a twink to chose a twink name, as well as it takes a twink to accept a twink name.

Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: kosowith on February 25, 2009, 10:26:57 pm
Unless he is a unmentioned ghost artist, there is NO mention of him on the either of the Grammy winning albums as producer, artist, consultant, participant. There is no mention of him on the complete discography of the movie Last of the Mohican, I can't find any mention of him at Athens and he is certainly not on the Unity album.

Then there is his own statement that he just turned his car away from his work and drove away one day. Nice story, but what does it say about the ethics a person who says they worked as an architect and one day just walks away from all his clients and obligations. If he was an architect, unless he was so bad he didn’t have any jobs/clients – what about the people left in the lurch?  Seems pretty self-centered and does not seem very ethical to me.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Ingeborg on February 26, 2009, 03:32:50 pm
Mr de Carlo also does not seem to be too particular about the places he does gigs at. I also found him promoted by a seminar house called „Beuerhof“. They are selling sweatlodges, offering seminars with shame-ons, and promote frauds like Michael Two Feathers and Twylah Nitsch. Their site is: http://www.beuerhof.de

There is a section called „Indianer“ with photos, among the Lame Deer family, there is Michael Two Feathers, Windeagle and Rainbowhawk, Twylah Nitsch and Mr de Carlo. Unfortunately, they badly misspell his name (Tdom Bah Todem Khee), but they clearly state he was a Kiowa Indian and also known as „The Flute Keeper“.


Their intro is quite interesting, as their version of history is special. It reads:

„What connects Beuerhof to the Indians from North America?

Already 2,000 years ago, when the Celts settled the regions around Beuerhof, the roots for what happens in this place over and over again came into being: a contact to the native peoples of our earth. Long before Columbus discovered America, the Celts had come into contact to the former original population of today's USA via Greeland and Bering Strait.[sic]

When in 1990 Beuerhof first learned this during the visit of Lakota Indian Archie Fire Lame Deer, nobody knew which impact this was going to have on the future development and existence of this place.

Within a few months, there were new encounters and very soon other tribes and chiefs learned of this place and made Beuerhof their starting point for travels throughout Europe.

Meanwhile there is a network reaching far beyond the old contacts between South Dakota and Beuerhof. Today, Beuerhof is visited by other cultures and their spiritual leaders as a power place in the middle of Eifel mountains and there are manyfold events taking place, while teachings and traditions of Indians are in the focus.“

Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: that_dakota_kid on February 26, 2009, 04:19:17 pm
What connects Beuerhof to the Indians from North America?

Already 2,000 years ago, when the Celts settled the regions around Beuerhof, the roots for what happens in this place over and over again came into being: a contact to the native peoples of our earth. Long before Columbus discovered America, the Celts had come into contact to the former original population of today's USA via Greeland and Bering Strait.[sic]

When in 1990 Beuerhof first learned this during the visit of Lakota Indian Archie Fire Lame Deer, nobody knew which impact this was going to have on the future development and existence of this place.
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WOW, poeple will say anything to justify what they' re doing evern if it sounds far fetched.
I have wrote to my mom in trying to find fire lame deer's rep. I personally don't know that family but according to what was written about John Lame Deer, I don't know if it was wikipedia BS but what got me is he was taught to be a Wicasa Wakan but hen was a heyoka for a little while and then stopped being heyoka. Maybe I just read this wrong but If your heyoka its never by personal choice and you never just  stop as it is just who you are.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: that_dakota_kid on February 26, 2009, 08:50:16 pm
Well from what my mom has told me Archie Fire Lame Deer used to sing with her uncle in Porcupine for a while and The Lame Deer Family has a good rep and is legit. So what I'm wonddering is how the family got tied with those guys over ther in the netherlands.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: kosowith on February 26, 2009, 09:13:18 pm
A lot of people from around Pine Ridge say that Archie was a good, if not very sophisticated man that got taken advantage of my exploiters.  He taught many people and it has become some what like "the check is in the mail, and of course I will respect you in the morning" for these fakes to trace their "rights" back to Archie - and now that he is gone on - no one can dispute it. 

Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: that_dakota_kid on February 26, 2009, 09:27:20 pm
 ;Dand of course I will respect you in the morning. nice!!!
I knew something didn't connect there. What a shame.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Elke on March 03, 2009, 04:50:47 pm
ha... lost and found  (my picture it- Program)....

(http://www.bild-hoster.de/images/Elke/decarlo1.jpg)

(http://www.bild-hoster.de/images/Elke/decarlo2.jpg)
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: that_dakota_kid on March 04, 2009, 02:02:08 pm
Sweet Sassy Molassy, thats what I'm talkin about! Truly nice work Elke.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Elke on March 04, 2009, 04:08:50 pm
In a German Forum , that thread was posted here before his girlfriend answered, when I posted this above---- that the letter just says that they would not know him under this name but they didn't say that they don't know the guy....

....funny interpretation--- but I even don't know if I can laugh about so much ignorance.

and again--- there was trouble with him and his girlfriend because they showed a film of a guy who didn't want to be at a film on that webpage. The same happened with the 2 real Kiowa guys- he now calls Kiowa brothers at one film--- lol-- the people that look on his webpage think they agreed-- but at that event- the trouble really started because these 2 real Kiowa guys had a not very friendly discussion with de Carlo....

But now he is planning to find a few new victims in Australia--- as I saw on his webpage yesterday.

Hope the Australians will ask google.....
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Ingeborg on March 04, 2009, 06:20:01 pm

At the forum of http://www.powwow-kalender.de, Mr de Carlo's business partner wrote the following comment when presented with the above letter by the Kiowa nation:


"I know this letter which does not say anything except he is not enrolled under THIS name."

If the Kiowa nation does not now him as a) Gio(vanni) de Carlo, b) Tdom Bah Toden Xkee, c) The Flute Keeper, then which is his legal name under which he should be enrolled?

As Mr de Carlo presents a "scanned copy" of his US passport at his site from which it is plain to see that the passport was issued to a person by the name of "Giovanni de Carlo", born Dec 16, this seems to be his legal name. Or is it? US and Kiowa authorities might be interested in getting a few more facts on this issue of 'not under THIS name', I suppose.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Elke on March 04, 2009, 08:13:40 pm
Kiowa Nation has a whole book full of stuff against di Carlo laying at their desk, as far as I know.

But - yes Ingeborg - I asked myself the same question--- but I didn't get an answer.


I think these guys really think all others in the world are a little bid stupid....
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Ingeborg on March 06, 2009, 01:20:39 am
The following contribution was posted in the German powwow calendar on Thursday, Mar 5, 2009, 9:40 p.m. by an unnamed guest:


" Hello there. I have notified the military bases in Germany about Gio. The fact that he is not Native American means that he is in violation of the Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990. This is policed by the FBI and our Department of the Interior. So, if he steps one foot on an American base, they can nab him. Stepping foot on a military base, regardless of where it is in the world, is the exact same thing as stepping onto American soil. The colonel of the Mannheim base is notifying other bases to ensure that Gio is never allowed to perform on a miltary base again.

Gio wrote me and said that he paid all of his debts when he renewed his passport or visa or something to that effect. This is not true at all. He took one of our flute makers here in the United States for a lot of money. He has never paid that debt. There is an arrest warrant in Tulsa, Oklahoma, for Gio. And I believe that the amount that he took from the flute makers consstitutes felony fraud. He has scammed women in the United States by charming them with romance and taking their money.

I can put you in touch with the flute makers that he scammed, if you'd like.

Gio is NOT Native American, We have talked with the tribal council of the Kiowa Nation and they know nothing about him. Even if he was adopted into the tribe, which I seriously doubt because no one has ever heard of him, he still is in violation of the Indian Arts and Crafts Act because Native Americans must be recognized by the US government with a tribal identification card which Gio DOES NOT HAVE. Adoption into a tribe is not recognized by the US government. Native American are only legally Native Americans if they satisfy the blood quantum requirements.

That Jackie Fischer sent to me a heck of a letter defending Gio. If I didn't know better, I would think that Gio is romancing her. He's good at it. In the United States, we would refer to Gio as a used car salesman ... smarmy and slick and without scruples.

You can contact the authorities on your end or the correct governmental department to inform them that Gio is not paying taxes and he is perpatrating a cultural fraud, making money as a Native American when he isn't one. You can site the Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990, as evidence."
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: powwowndn on March 27, 2009, 05:14:35 pm
In the www.powwow-kalender.de website, I checked out the upcoming 10.Westerwald-Contest-PowWow. There is a link for GiLa Music and there was the info for a "Indianisches Tanzfestival" held in Apen Klauhorn. Funny, "Indianisches Tanzfestival" is the German translation for Indian Pow Wow. But, on the poster there were only two Aztec dancers and a photo of Giovanni de Carlo in a fake Indian outfit. I guess he thinks that people will come to a "Indianisches Tanzfestival", if they see a picture on him playing a flute rather than a pow wow dancer or drum group. After exposing him as a fraud, he still thinks he can make money from playing "Kiowa" at these events. On the same page is another photo promoting a "Sacred Spirit 2009 World Tour", but there aren't any "real" natives in the photo, besides the two Aztecs.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Ingeborg on March 29, 2009, 04:01:19 pm
When Mr de Carlo first joined NAFPS, he registered with the nick of 'cocolixtle'. According to his second homepage, he claims to have written a book by this title:

www.angelfire.com/musicals/decarlo/history.html

He also used this nick to register in a few more forums:

http://www.youtube.com/user/cocolixtle

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Name: Tdom Bah
Native from The Americas Flute Player
Land: USA
Website: http://gilamusic.com

as found on March 12, 2009.

De Carlo is also registered with the nick of 'cocolixtle' at the forum of powwows.com:

http://www.powwows.com/gathering/members/cocolixtle.html

although he kept a low profile there in the way of postings:
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Date of Birth
December 16, 1957 (51)
Join Date 05-25-2007
Total Posts 0

Strangely enough, Mr de Carlo does not seem to know the meaning of this term. 'Cocolixtle' is a word taken from a Meso-American indigenous language, and it means „typhus“. (Some comments spring to mind which I prefer not to write down... - on the other hand, this does have a nice ring to it: 'Giovanni The Runs de Carlo')

De Carlo has also published a CD with the title „Cocolixtle“:

http://www.amazon.de/COCOLIXTLE-US-Gio-Carlo/dp/B00005YXBT

Its titles are predominantly in Spanish language:

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1. vigenes del sol 2. alma llanera 3. pajaro chogui 4. el condor pasa 5. el huamanqueño 6. fiesta aymara 7. llorando se fue 8. fina estampa 9. tico tico 10. la flor de la canela 11. pajaro campana 12. la bikina 13. guadalajara 14. moliendo cafe 15. dolaines melodie 16. huayno de la roca 17. recuerdos 18. la paloma 19. la fiesta de san benito 20. naranjita



Claims of winnig a Grammy and/or NAMA award:

The lists of Grammy winners were in vain searched for the names Gio(vanni) de Carlo, Tdom Bah Toden Xkee, or The Flute Keeper. These names also do not show up in the lists of NAMA winners and not even among the NAMA nominees.

The Grammy-winning CD „Sacred Ground“, however, can be traced:
http://worldmusiccentral.org/article.php?story=20060208194522787&query=Sacred%2BGround

The list of song titles and artists please see here:

http://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Ground-Tribute-Mother-Earth/dp/B000ARG2LO

Apparently, de Carlo did not contribute to the album „Sacred Ground“.
However, there are several sites which claim it was de Carlo who won a Grammy and/or NAMMY for this album, so e.g.:
http://gerry290655.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!4B5ECE60426A0314!1377.entry

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Met zijn album Sacred Ground veroverde hij de de fameuze Grammy Award en de Native American Award. Hij speelde de fluitsolo’s in tal van films waarvan ‘The Last of the Mohicans’ wel een van de bekendste is.
Translation: With his album Sacred Ground he won the famous Grammy Award and the Native American Award. He played the flute solos in several films of which 'The Last of the Mohicans' is the most well-known.


http://nativeamericanofferings.com/detail.asp?product_id=0599-MUS

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Gio de Carlo is a Kiowa Indian from Oklahoma. His music has received numerous accolades with a Grammy award win for his album 'Sacred Ground'

http://www.medicinewheelgathering.nl/2007/TdomBah.htm

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Hij is Native American Award winnaar en Grammy Award genomineerde. Bekend van cd’s o.a. Sacred Spirit, Sacred Ground en Memories from a Past.
Daarnaast heeft hij muziek geschreven en gespeeld voor films waaronder o.a. “Last of the Mohicans” en diverse tv programma’s.
Tdom Bah heeft opgetreden met artiesten van wereldfaam zoals; BB King, Carlos Santana en Paul Simon.

Translation: He is a winner of the Native American Award was nominated for the Grammy Award. He got known for CDs like Sacred Spirit, Sacred Ground and Memories from a Past. He afterwards wrote and played the music for films, among them „Last of the Mohicans“ and several TV programmes. Tdom Bah performed with artists of world-fame like B.B. King, Carlos Santana and Paul Simon.



Regarding de Carlo's claim of having done a CD titled 'Sacred Spirit':

Sacred Spirit was done by German musician Claus Zundel – the CD cover apparently being the same as in the above copied article where it is said to be done by de Carlo. Sacred Spirit has an entry in the English wikipedia which was slightly altered as of February 27, 2009 by someone who is not a member of wikipedia. The change was small, but significant:

„Sacred Spirit is a musical project by Claus Zundel“ all of a sudden read „Sacred Spirit is a musical project by Tdom Bah.“ This version can still be seen at the article's history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sacred_Spirit&diff=275197071&oldid=273739224

The latest changes were effected as of March 5, 2009, to re-enter the correct name:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sacred_Spirit&diff=275196814&oldid=275196214

This change, too, was done by an anonymous non-member of wikipedia who unfortunately forgot to also put back the link to the article on Claus Zundel.

However, from this article we learn that the first album titled „Sacred Spirit“ (released in 1994 by Zundel) has indeed been nominated for a Grammy:
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The album was nominated for best New Age album Grammy award
(emphasis added)
The source given for this information at wikipedia is this:
http://www.greengalactic.com/sacred_bluesy.html



Additonal alert at INAFA site:

The INAFA have updated their alert on Mr de Carlo after receiving a mail from Germany by the end of February:
http://worldflutes.org/alertGIO.html

The authors of this mail report de Carlo is using a German non-profit association to book gigs from which only he makes a profit while never paying the due amounts of tax to German IRS.



And a note from Mr de Carlo's homepage:

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GiLa Music and its members are Native American, as well as Non Native Local performers from the places where we do our presentations, all to bring you a piece of traditions in the form of entertainment, music, dances and workshops from different walks of life of the Native American World (North, Central and South America). All of our items offered (music, flute, drums,crafts) ARE Hand Made by both Natives and Local Non Natives and each item is described by its maker and origin.
GiLa music does not offer as part of its services and/or presentations any Native American Ceremonial events such as Sweat Lodges, Healing Seminars, Shaman Practices and other Esoteric presentations. Our workshops are craft related and intended to teach the participant the art of craft making from ALL of the Americas without any particular label (Such as Lakota, kiowa, etc. Flute making or Ojibwa bead work, etc.). In the event that a particular event or workshop includes a member of an specific tribe from any location of the Americas, the expositor would be named from origin and specialty, otherwise it is understood by the participants in that event are part of a multinational group of artist and, in no way to be considered Original Natives from any place in the world

Apparently de Carlo sees some advantage in paying a tiny bit of lip-service by denouncing ceremonial events. However, this would look a little better if de Carlo did not accept gigs at known nuage premises (cf earlier posting).

From the above quote, several things become apparent:
1 de Carlo offers items made by both „Natives and Local Non Natives“, i.e. he indeed sells any- and everything he believes to be profitable. We just have his assertion that all items are described correctly, and as someone has so aptly put it: 'Would you buy a used car from this man?'. Of course someone falsely claiming Grammies and Nammies would not lie to us about who exactly made that genuine ndn flute, now, would he. (And what was the meaning of his preferred nick of 'Cocolixtle' again...?)

2 de Carlo apparently believes he is able to teach flute maklng „from ALL of the Americas without any particular label (Such as Lakota, kiowa, etc. Flute making or Ojibwa bead work, etc.)“, thus either contributing to the notion of one generic ndn culture and/or his alleged proficiency in all ndn cultures.

3 But I most like his last sentence:
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In the event that a particular event or workshop includes a member of an specific tribe from any location of the Americas, the expositor would be named from origin and specialty, otherwise it is understood by the participants in that event are part of a multinational group of artist and, in no way to be considered Original Natives from any place in the world

That basically reads: if spectators are too daft to realize we did not mention any participating ndn by name and nation and believe we're ndn, that's not our fault. Putting up this note in a tiny box at his site may save him some legal trouble as far as his dancers are concerned, but it would not cover his behind for misrepresenting himself as a Kiowa or as 'an Indian' without giving any nation claiming him.

Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Ingeborg on March 29, 2009, 04:10:24 pm
This is the above text in German translation for the convenience of German readers interested in the issue:

Als de Carlo sich das erste Mal bei NAFPS registrierte, wählte er den Nick „Cocolixtle“. Auf seiner zweiten Homepage erwähnt er, er habe ein Buch mit diesem Titel geschrieben:

www.angelfire.com/musicals/decarlo/history.html

Er hat sich mit dem Nick „Cocolixtle“ auch in einigen weiteren Foren registriert:

http://www.youtube.com/user/cocolixtle

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Name: Tdom Bah
Native from The Americas Flute Player
Land: USA
Website: http://gilamusic.com

So gesehen am 12. März 2009.

Auch im Forum von powwows.com ist de Carlo mit diesem Nick registriert:

http://www.powwows.com/gathering/members/cocolixtle.html

Er hat dort jedoch eine recht bescheidene Beitragszahl auf dem Konto:
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Date of Birth
December 16, 1957 (51)
Join Date 05-25-2007
Total Posts 0

Merkwürdigerweise scheint de Carlo sich nicht bezüglich der Bedeutung dieses Begriffes kundig gemacht zu haben. „Cocolixtle“ ist ein Wort aus einer meso-amerikanischen indigenen Sprache und bedeutet „Typhus“. (Da ergeben sich doch ein paar nette Assoziationen, auf die ich aber nicht weiter eingehen möchte... - andererseits: 'Giovanni Dünnpfiff de Carlo' – das hat was.)

De Carlo hat außerdem eine CD mit dem Titel „Cocolixtle“ herausgebracht:

http://www.amazon.de/COCOLIXTLE-US-Gio-Carlo/dp/B00005YXBT

Die Titel auf der CD sind vorwiegend in spanischer Sprache:

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1. vigenes del sol 2. alma llanera 3. pajaro chogui 4. el condor pasa 5. el huamanqueño 6. fiesta aymara 7. llorando se fue 8. fina estampa 9. tico tico 10. la flor de la canela 11. pajaro campana 12. la bikina 13. guadalajara 14. moliendo cafe 15. dolaines melodie 16. huayno de la roca 17. recuerdos 18. la paloma 19. la fiesta de san benito 20. naranjita



Die angeblichen Grammies und/oder NAMA-Auszeichnungen:

Auf der Liste der Grammy-Gewinner sucht man nach den Namen Gio(vanni) de Carlo, Tdom Bah Toden Xkee oder The Flute Keeper vergeblich. Auch auf der Liste der NAMA-Gewinner und sogar der der für den NAMA nominierten Personen tauchen diese Namen nicht auf.

Die ausgezeichnete CD 'Sacred Ground' läßt sich dagegen sehr leicht finden:

http://worldmusiccentral.org/article.php?story=20060208194522787&query=Sacred%2BGround

Einen Link zu den enthaltenen Tracks und den Künstlern gibt es auch:

http://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Ground-Tribute-Mother-Earth/dp/B000ARG2LO


Offenbar hat de Carlo zu dem Album 'Sacred Ground' keinen Beitrag geleistet. Es gibt jedoch mehrere Webseiten, auf denen behauptet wird, de Carlo habe einen Grammy und/oder Nammy genau für dieses Album erhalten, z.B. auf:
http://gerry290655.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!4B5ECE60426A0314!1377.entry

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Met zijn album Sacred Ground veroverde hij de de fameuze Grammy Award en de Native American Award. Hij speelde de fluitsolo’s in tal van films waarvan ‘The Last of the Mohicans’ wel een van de bekendste is.

Übersetzung: Mit seinem Album Sacred Ground gewann er den bekannten Grammy und den Native American Award. Er spielte Flötensoli in mehreren Filmen, von denen 'Der letzte Mohikaner' der bekannteste ist.


http://nativeamericanofferings.com/detail.asp?product_id=0599-MUS

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Gio de Carlo is a Kiowa Indian from Oklahoma. His music has received numerous accolades with a Grammy award win for his album 'Sacred Ground'

Übersetzung: Gio de Carlo ist ein Kiowa-Indianer aus Oklahoma. Seine Musik hat zahlreiche Auszeichnungen erhalten wie einen Grammy für sein Album 'Sacred Ground'

http://www.medicinewheelgathering.nl/2007/TdomBah.htm

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Hij is Native American Award winnaar en Grammy Award genomineerde. Bekend van cd’s o.a. Sacred Spirit, Sacred Ground en Memories from a Past.
Daarnaast heeft hij muziek geschreven en gespeeld voor films waaronder o.a. “Last of the Mohicans” en diverse tv programma’s.
Tdom Bah heeft opgetreden met artiesten van wereldfaam zoals; BB King, Carlos Santana en Paul Simon.

Übersetzung: Er ist Gewinner des Native American Award und war für den Grammy nominiert. Er wurde bekannt mit CDs wie Sacred Spirit, Sacred Ground und Memories from a Past. Danach hat er für Filme wie 'Der letzte Mohikaner' und diverse TV-Programme die Musik geschrieben und gespielt. Tdom Bah ist mit weltbekannten Künstlern wie B.B. King, Carlos Santana und Paul Simon aufgetreten.




Zu de Carlos Behauptung, Urheber der CD 'Sacred 'Spirit' zu sein:

Sacred Spirit wurde von dem deutschen Musiker Claus Zundel aufgenommen – das CD-Cover ist offenbar dasselbe wie im oben angegebenen Artikel, der die CD allerdings de Carlo zuschreibt. Sacred Spirit hat einen Eintrag in der englischen Wikipedia, der am 27. Februar 2009 geringfügig geändert wurde – von einer Person, die nicht Mitarbeiter von Wikipedia ist. Die Änderung war jedoch inhaltlich bedeutungsvoll:

'Sacred Spirit ist ein Musikprojekt von Claus Zundel' hieß plötzlich: 'Sacred Spirit ist ein Musikprojekt von Tdom Bah'. Diese Version kann in der History des Artikels immer noch eingesehen werden:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sacred_Spirit&diff=275197071&oldid=273739224

Die letze Änderung wurde am 5. März 2009 vorgenommen und der korrekte Name wieder eingetragen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sacred_Spirit&diff=275196814&oldid=275196214

Auch diese Änderung wurde durch eine anonyme Person und nicht durch einen Mitarbeiter von Wikipedia vorgenommen. Leider wurde dabei der ursprünglich vorhandene Link zum Artikel über Claus Zundel nicht wieder eingefügt.

Jedoch kann man diesem Artikel entnehmen, daß das erste Album 'Sacred Spirit' (1994 von Zundel herausgebracht) tatsächlich für einen Grammy nominiert war:

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The album was nominated for best New Age album Grammy award
(Hervorhebung von mir)
Die Quelle für diese Information ist laut Wikipedia:
http://www.greengalactic.com/sacred_bluesy.html



Weitere Warnung auf der INAFA-Seite:

Die INAFA hat ihre Warnung vor de Carlo aktualisiert, nachdem sie Ende Februar 2009 eine Mail aus Deutschland erhalten haben:

http://worldflutes.org/alertGIO.html

Die Autoren der Mail berichten, daß de Carlo einen in Deutschland registrierten gemeinnützigen eingetragenen Verein benutzt, um Gigs zu buchen, von denen er allein profitiert, und es andererseits mit dem Steuernzahlen nicht so genau nimmt. 


Und eine Notiz von de Carlos Homepage:

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GiLa Music and its members are Native American, as well as Non Native Local performers from the places where we do our presentations, all to bring you a piece of traditions in the form of entertainment, music, dances and workshops from different walks of life of the Native American World (North, Central and South America). All of our items offered (music, flute, drums,crafts) ARE Hand Made by both Natives and Local Non Natives and each item is described by its maker and origin.
GiLa music does not offer as part of its services and/or presentations any Native American Ceremonial events such as Sweat Lodges, Healing Seminars, Shaman Practices and other Esoteric presentations. Our workshops are craft related and intended to teach the participant the art of craft making from ALL of the Americas without any particular label (Such as Lakota, kiowa, etc. Flute making or Ojibwa bead work, etc.). In the event that a particular event or workshop includes a member of an specific tribe from any location of the Americas, the expositor would be named from origin and specialty, otherwise it is understood by the participants in that event are part of a multinational group of artist and, in no way to be considered Original Natives from any place in the world

Offenbar hält de Carlo ein kleines Lippenbekenntnis gegen Zeremonien für angebracht. Dies würde jedoch bedeutend glaubwürdiger rüberkommen, wenn de Carlo nicht Gigs bei bekannten Newage-Veranstaltern durchführen würde (vgl hierzu frühere Beiträge).

Aus dem oben wiedergegebenen Zitat werden mehrere Dinge deutlich:

1 de Carlo bietet Artikel an, die sowohl von Natives wie „örtlichen Non-natives“ hergestellt sein können, d.h. er verkauft alles, was sich zu Geld machen läßt. Wir haben nur seine Zusicherung, daß die Artikel korrekt gekennzeichnet sind, und wie es jemand so treffend formuliert hat: 'Würden Sie von diesem Mann ein gebrauchtes Auto kaufen?'. Natürlich wird uns jemand, der völlig zu Unrecht mit nie erhaltenen Grammies und Nammies prahlt, doch nicht darüber belügen, wer diese echt indianische Flöte nun wirklich hergestellt hat, nicht wahr. (Und wie war doch gleich noch mal die deutsche Bedeutung des von ihm bevorzugten Nick 'Cocolixtle'...?)

2 de Carlo ist offenbar der Meinung, er könnte das Bauen von Flöten '...aus ALLEN amerikanischen [Kulturen] ohne bestimmte Zuschreibung (So wie Lakota, kiowa etc. Flötenbau oder Ojibwa Perlenarbeiten, etc.)“ lehren. Entweder trägt er zum falschen Eindruck bei, es gebe eine generische indianische Kultur und/oder er möchte andeuten, er sei in allen indianischen Kulturen äußerst bewandert.

3 Am schönsten finde ich den letzten Satz:

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In the event that a particular event or workshop includes a member of an specific tribe from any location of the Americas, the expositor would be named from origin and specialty, otherwise it is understood by the participants in that event are part of a multinational group of artist and, in no way to be considered Original Natives from any place in the world
Dies heißt ja nun im Grunde genommen: Wenn Zuschauer zu doof sind, um zu merken, daß wir keinen Indianer mit Namen und Nation genannt haben und meinen, wir sind Indianer, ist das nicht unser Bier. Daß er diese Notiz in einem kleinen Kästchen auf seiner Seite veröffentlicht, mag ihm vielleicht juristische Probleme in Bezug auf seine Tänzer ersparen, nicht jedoch hinsichtlich der Tatsache, daß er sich als Kiowa bzw. Indianer (ohne eine nation dabei zu nennen) ausgibt.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Ingeborg on March 29, 2009, 07:30:31 pm

Someone posted this link in a German language forum today:

http://www.powwow-freunde.de/home_deu_/Liebe_Mitglieder.pdf

The following is a letter by Ms Jackie Fischer, chairwoman of Powwow-Freunde e.V. [powwow friends], the non-profit organisation working closely with Giovanni de Carlo, published at the site of Powwow-Freunde. Despite their site being bilingual, this letter has only been published in German language:


„Dear members and powwow friends,

recently, two members of our organisation – who were expelled from the organisation due to having effected harm to it by slander – sent a letter to an organisation in the USA (a flute organisation whose aim is not to be discussed here – you may decide for yourself what kind of an organisation this is). In this letter, they mention our organisation cooperates with „The Flute Keeper“. Apparently, the conflict between both parties (The Flute Keeper and this organisation) has been going for some time already. We will not mingle into this conflict, this is something between these two parties.

The reason we are publishing this is to reply to those persons who perhaps received the link to this organisation or read about it in one of the forums. The Flute Organisation has published the letter written by these former members, in which the character of our organisation is being called into question.

I received an E-Mail from the president of that organisation in which I get asked to stop cooperating with „The Flute Keeper“. I answered and told them that, in this country and this organisation, we come to a decision on the basis of what we see and which experience we gather and not according to what others say, especially not persons whom we had never dealt with before and don't know who they are.

In reply, I received the following E-Mail from this lady (who presumably is a doctor):
„We will alert the authorities in Germany and our membership about your dealings with Gio ... You need to rserach thoroughly your artists. It's not difficult! And, we will alert the GRAMMY Awards to his continued fraud, as I am a member of that organization and that specific category. We will not print your home address, as we did not realize it. But, we will advertise that your event supports the likes of Gio. This invalidates your event completely...
Cheers!
Kathleen ;-)“

As you can see clearly, the lady of this Flute Organisation shows she's got no education and she thinks she can tell us what we, at the other end of Earth, should do and what we shouldn't do. The powerlust of this lady goes far beyond the position in her organisation, as she perhaps as a „God“ can devalue events. In our organisation, we do not like threats, especially not from a foreign country. To respect the rights of other persons means peace, and this letter is an insult to my person and those people who I represent as a chairwoman.

Additionally, the lady mixes things as convenient for her, and our powwow is one thing and my business with doing events and concerts, Indian, Aztec, and soon also other cultures [sic! - sentence incomplete]. But what has this got to do with our powwow?

Please read her letter and ask yourself, is this the way a president of an international flute organisation should act like? If this is not aggressiveness, no attack, then I would call this person insane.

Thanks and let us do what we're here for.
With kind regards.....
Jackie Fischer“
............



First of all, this is no conflict between two parties, as Ms Fischer prefers to present the issue to the members of her association. INAFA is a honorable, renowned organisation who put up alerts against Giovanni de Carlo because of his business ethics (not paying persons delivering flutes and materials to him, not dispatching flutes customers paid for, posing fraudulently as Native American, fraudulently claiming to have won Grammies and Nammies).

This attempt at a very outdated gunboat diplomacy, Ms Fischer, is quite futile. All you manage to make completely clear is: You prefer to ignore native points of view on de Carlo's machinations and on top of that tell ndns to go … themselves if they criticize frauds and fakes contributing to the further existence of stereotypes about ndns and making a profit from posing as ndns. Your arrogance is completely inappropriate and only presents you as person holding quite racist views (e.g. the one that you, as a white person, of course have the right to define who is Indian, which Indians to believe or not, and to publically denigrate honorable Indian persons while supporting a poser). How you manage to combine such racist attitudes with a purported interest in ndn cultures escapes me.

When you say "to respect other persons means peace" you obviously mean: it's peace when others (= ndns) look up to you. Sorry, but no. In this case, it's not called peace - it's called colonialism. Respect is not only due to yourself while you may denigrate as you please.



German translation:

Zunächst einmal handelt es sich nicht - wie Frau Fischer es gegenüber ihren Vereinsmitgliedern darzustellen beliebt - um einen Konflikt zwischen zwei Parteien. INAFA ist eine seriöse Organisation mit gutem Ruf, die Warnungen vor Giovanni de Carlo aufgrund seines Geschäftsgebarens veröffentlicht haben (er bezahlte von Lieferanten erhaltene Flöten und Materialien nicht, er lieferte bereits bezahlte Ware nicht an Kunden, er gibt sich fälschlicherweise als Native American aus, er behauptet zu Unrecht, mit Grammies und Nammies ausgezeichnet worden zu sein).

Dieser Versuch einer sehr überholten Kanonenbootdiplomatie bring es nicht, Frau Fischer. Was Sie dagegen vollkommen klarstellen ist folgendes: Sie ziehen es vor, indianische Einstellungen zu de Carlos Machenschaften zu ignorieren und zusätzlich sagen sie Indianern, die Kritik an Frauds und Fakes üben, die zur weiteren Verfestigung von Stereotypen beitragen und nur Profit daraus schlagen, sich als Indianer auszugeben, daß sie sich gehackt legen können! Ihre Arroganz ist völlig unangebracht, zeigt Sie jedoch als Person mit rassistischen Einstellungen (z.B. daß Sie als Weiße natürlich das Recht haben zu definieren, wer Indianer ist, welchen Indianern Sie glauben mögen und welchen nicht, und welche ehrenhaften indianischen Personen Sie öffentlich herabsetzen dürfen, während Sie einen Poser unterstützen). Wie Sie es hinbekommen, solche rassistischen Einstellungen mit einem vorgeblichen Interesse an indianischen Kulturen zu verbinden, entzieht sich meinem Verständnis.

Wenn Sie schreiben, andere zu respektieren sei Frieden, meinen Sie offenbar: wenn andere (=Indianer) zu Ihnen aufsehen ist Frieden. Sorry, aber das ist nicht zutreffend. Im vorliegenden Fall nennt man das nicht "Frieden" - sondern Kolonialismus. Respekt ist nicht nur Ihnen zu gewähren, während Sie nach Belieben erniedrigen dürfen.

Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: educatedindian on March 30, 2009, 10:03:16 am

De Carlo has also published a CD with the title „Cocolixtle“:

http://www.amazon.de/COCOLIXTLE-US-Gio-Carlo/dp/B00005YXBT

Its titles are predominantly in Spanish language:

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1. vigenes del sol 2. alma llanera 3. pajaro chogui 4. el condor pasa 5. el huamanqueño 6. fiesta aymara 7. llorando se fue 8. fina estampa 9. tico tico 10. la flor de la canela 11. pajaro campana 12. la bikina 13. guadalajara 14. moliendo cafe 15. dolaines melodie 16. huayno de la roca 17. recuerdos 18. la paloma 19. la fiesta de san benito 20. naranjita


The tune names seems like he's mixing quite a lot of different NDN peoples to write about.
I think the first one is meant to be "virgenes del sol" or sun virgins, a term used about the Aztecs.
2. "Llanera dawn", the llaneros are the Black/NDN mixedbloods of the Venezuelan plains.
3. "Chogui parrot" the Chogui are a tribe in Central America. 4. the condor is a symbol of many South American tribes.
6. "Aymara festival", Aymara peoples are in Bolivia, Brazil, Peru, and Paraguay.
9. Tico means a Costa Rican.
10. This is a pretty famous Mexican folk song, not necessarily NDN.
19. Saint Benjamin's Festival, a Catholic ceremony.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: powwowndn on April 04, 2009, 04:24:40 pm
From what I've been reading and hearing, it seems de Carlo is claiming to be Kiowa just for "himself". How about de Carlo's family? On any reservation or Indian lands, everyone knows who everyone is just by who their parents and grandparents are. Every time de Carlo says he is Kiowa, then he should be able to say who his mother and father is, his grandmother and grandfather and his relatives. If not, then the Kiowa nation is correct stating that there is no record of him ever being enrolled in their tribe.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Ingeborg on April 07, 2009, 02:22:29 pm
For the convenience of our German readers I'll translate this entry, as powwowndn raises very valuable points which unfortunately many people from the German powwow and hobbyist scenes do not seem to know - or perhaps they don't care about fakes, only about those trying to pass on correct info whom they will treat as spoilsports trying to prevent them from 'having fun':

From what I've been reading and hearing, it seems de Carlo is claiming to be Kiowa just for "himself". How about de Carlo's family? On any reservation or Indian lands, everyone knows who everyone is just by who their parents and grandparents are. Every time de Carlo says he is Kiowa, then he should be able to say who his mother and father is, his grandmother and grandfather and his relatives. If not, then the Kiowa nation is correct stating that there is no record of him ever being enrolled in their tribe.

Soweit ich sehe, reklamiert de Carlo nur "für sich", Kiowa zu sein. Wie ist es denn mit de Carlos Familie? Auf jeder Reservation oder indianischem Land weiß jeder, wer die anderen sind, weil Eltern und Großeltern jeder Person bekannt sind. Jedesmal wenn de Carlo sagt, er sei Kiowa, sollte er in der Lage sein anzugeben, wer seine Mutter und sein Vater sind, seine Großmütter und Großväter und seine weitere Verwandten. Kann er dies nicht, dann hat die Kiowa Nation völlig recht, wenn sie schreiben, daß es keine Einträge gibt, nach denen er jemals bei ihnen eingetragen war.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Ingeborg on April 16, 2009, 12:00:11 pm
Although the event 10th Westerwald Contest Powwow formally is organised by the non-profit „Powwow-Freunde e.V.“ [Powwow Friends], it is also advertised by Mr de Carlo at his site. De Carlo publishes a letter by Ms Jackie Fischer which is quite noteworthy, and not only for its nuagey wording and racist tones:

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10th anniversary Westerwald-Contest Powwow

To the members of this club,
friends, followers and all of those interested in other cultures, be these from the Americas, from Germany, from Africa or any where else in the world we like to invite you to our 10th gathering - the 10th Aniversary Westerwald Powwow event. 


In this club we do not represent, nor endorse any Tribe, Nation or organization from any particular country or countries of the Americas. We like to think that we represent the peoples of the world and their love to express their right to do what is in their hearts.

All of our guest, dancers, friends and visitors, regardless of the style of dance they have chosen within their hearts to represent, are welcomed. We open our hearts and friendship to all Nations - Original Natives, or from Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, The Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden or any where else in this world.

All of you are welcome to join others to show and compete with your heart and soul in a day of brotherhood and friendship.
In this event, and their members, do not condone your right to do as your heart tells you about your feelings and we respect your desires to do as you feel within your soul. Many of you feel that by participating in these dances and these kinds of events your true believes come to life and that is what this gathering is all about it. To show who you feel you are and show the world you have the right and pleasure of doing so. Many of you don´t carry the Indian blood, but you carry the spirit and the feelings of the people you like to represent and that is what The Creator had in mind when He created this so called Human Race. Many of you have had the struggle of discrimination because of different circumstances and doings of our ancestors and the color of your skin. This should not be a factor in the colors you like to represent. This powwow looks to reunite all bloods in one big color in a day of brotherhood and togetherness in one small arena but in a big heart where it would show the world that people can be from different location but from one single place `Mother Earth`, where at the end, we are live. All of you are welcomed to share with us the music, the songs and the feelings of the Americas. 

We all might not have the traces of Indian Blood in our bodies, but our Spirits give and show the world that we are all brothers and sisters, sons and daughters of this: our great Mother Earth.In this event, and their members, do not condone your right to do as your heart tells you about your feelings and we respect your desires to do as you feel within your soul. Many of you feel that by participating in these dances and these kinds of events your true believes come to life and that is what this gathering is all about it. To show who you feel you are and show the world you have the right and pleasure of doing so. Many of you don´t carry the Indian blood, but you carry the spirit and the feelings of the people you like to represent and that is what The Creator had in mind when He created this so called Human Race. Many of you have had the struggle of discrimination because of different circumstances and doings of our ancestors and the color of your skin. This should not be a factor in the colors you like to represent. This powwow looks to reunite all bloods in one big color in a day of brotherhood and togetherness in one small arena but in a big heart where it would show the world that people can be from different location but from one single place `Mother Earth`, where at the end, we are live. All of you are welcomed to share with us the music, the songs and the feelings of the Americas. 


So we may see this event as a 'white supremacist' powwow of Euros perceiving a *right* to do whatever they like – and this is repeated and reinforced several times in Ms Fischer's letter. She has clearly crossed the line between claims of admiring ndn cultures, of which powwows are a part, and claiming rights to do whatever she pleases in the way of appropriating and exploiting these cultures ('If you're white, you're right'?). Persons with any respect for ndn cultures at all should avoid participation in this event in order to take a clear stand and to express that they do not tolerate racist garbage spoken in their name.

However, there is a very important difference between the English and the German versions of Ms Fischer's letter which does not seem to be due to her knowledge of the English language:

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Wir empfangen jeden mit offenem Herzen und Freundschaft – alle Ureinwohner aus Österreich, Belgien, Tschechische Republik, Dänemark, Estland, Finnland, Frankreich, Deutschland, Griechenland, Ungarn, Island, Italien, Lettland, Litauen, Luxemburg, Malta, den Niederlanden, Norwegen, Polen, Portugal, die Slowakei, Slowenien, Spanien, Schweden oder sonst wo in der Welt.

My translation: We welcome every person with an open heart and with friendship – all  native inhabitants from Austria, Belgium [...]

Ms Fischer's translation:
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We open our hearts and friendship to all Nations - Original Natives, or from Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, The Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden or any where else in this world.
[Emphasis added]

So while the English version speaks of Natives *and* Austrians, Belgians, etc, the German letter mentions citizens of various European states as 'natives'. We may perhaps see this as a Freudian slip. Or perhaps it isn't – as I found reports about Ms Fischer dancing at an event at which only ndns were allowed on the dancing ground.

These entries are from another German language forum. It's replies to a person mentioning that Ms Jackie Fischer was honoured with a song at the event at Mannheim in 2007 and Ms Fischer apparently danced, the only white person to go to the dancing ground, which caused some commotion among the ndns present:

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[…] We pointed out that there are persons who damage the reputation of the powwow scene with their arrogance, their disrespect, and their greed for profit. This very well includes Ms Fischer and her Wanabi Indian.

[…] White persons in „Indian costumes“ were not allowed at all to mix with the native dancers. Frau Fischer as always believed to be an exception to the rule as she allegedly met friends there who allowed her on the dancing ground. […]
To get back to Ms Fischer: she does not even stop short of performing in bars and biker pubs in a jingle dress with her Gio de Carlo. This is a grave insult for all traditional Jingle dancers to whom the meaning of the Jingle Dance is sacred.

Apparently, these hobbyists won't back off from anything for a profit. Therefore, most of the active membership of 'her' association have left the non-profit. What  else will this lady do  in order to make her Gio stay.

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[…] a drum group who knew Ms Fischer played a honouring song for her. 90% of the Natives did not know Ms Fischer at all. [...]

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[…] Of course the other Natives didn't know Ms Fischer and therefore her behaviour was inappropriate. [...]


Some posters contend it is the association „Powwow-Freunde“ organising the event, and that people should leave them alone now to prepare the powwow and stop posting about Mr de Carlo and Ms Fischer.

The remaining members of this association have been given substantial information that de Carlo is a fake posing as a Kiowa and making a good profit on people who prefer to believe his fairy tales. He is exploiting ndn cultures for his personal profit, and so is Ms Fischer; they are disrespectful towards ndn cultures and ndn persons. The membership of this assoiation apparently tolerates this behaviour, as they still cooperate with de Carlo (by accepting his company offering a prize for the best female dancer at the event) and they do not seem to have further comments to their chairperson Ms Fischer on her continued cooperation with de Carlo, her ridiculous attempts to reinforce de Carlo's claims of being ndn, nor about her being disrespectful. As far as we learn from the website of Powwow-Freunde, there was an additional general meeting of members at the end of March 2009, and members did not address these issues but voted two new persons into the committee who will fully support the chairperson without criticism (one of them being her son and the other a business contact from the USA). In fact, members thus have just given Ms Fischer the means to continue as she pleases. Due to this silence and inactivity of the association's membership, members in fact must take over a responsibility for what de Carlo and Fischer do.

Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Ingeborg on April 16, 2009, 12:07:37 pm
For the convenience of German readers, I translated my above post:


Obwohl das 10. Westerwald Contest Powwow vom gemeinnützigen Verein „Powwow-Freunde e.V.“ organisiert wird, verlinkt deren Seite nur zur entsprechenden Sektion der Seite von Herrn de Carlo. Dort veröffentlicht de Carlo ua einem Brief von Frau Fischer in englischer Sprache, der nicht nur aufgrund seiner Newage-Phrasen und rassistischen Töne bemerkenswert ist:


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An die Mitglieder dieses Vereins,
Freunde und Anhänger und all diejenigen, die an anderen Kulturen interessiert sind. Egal ob aus Amerika, Deutschland, aus Afrika oder sonst wo in der Welt möchten wir Euch zum 10. Treffen, zum “10. Westerwald – Contest – Powwow“ einladen.

In diesem Verein repräsentieren, noch unterstützen wir irgendeinen bestimmten Stamm, eine Nation oder einen Staat in Amerika. Wir möchten alle Menschen der Welt repräsentieren und deren Wunsch, ihr Recht auszudrücken, was ihr Herz ihnen sagt. Alle unsere Gäste, Freunde und Besucher, egal für welche Tanzkategorie sie sich in ihrem Herzen entschieden haben, sie herzlich willkommen.

Wir empfangen jeden mit offenem Herzen und Freundschaft – alle Ureinwohner aus Österreich, Belgien, Tschechische Republik, Dänemark, Estland, Finnland, Frankreich, Deutschland, Griechenland, Ungarn, Island, Italien, Lettland, Litauen, Luxemburg, Malta, den Niederlanden, Norwegen, Polen, Portugal, die Slowakei, Slowenien, Spanien, Schweden oder sonst wo in der Welt.

Alle sind willkommen, zusammenzukommen und im Tanz mit Herz und Seele gegeneinander anzutreten, in Brüderlichkeit und Freundschaft.

In diesem Event mit all seinen Teilnehmern, soll niemand von Euch sein Recht unterdrücken, das zu tun, was Euer Herz Euch sagt, und wir respektieren Euren Wunsch, das zu tut, was ihr in Eurer Seele fühlt. Viele von Euch erleben, bei den Tänzen, das Eure Träume zum leben erwachen und das ist es, was dieses Fest ausmacht, zu zeigen, was ihr fühlt und wer ihr seid. Zeigt der Welt, das ihr das Recht und das Vergnügen habt, dieses zu tun. Die meisten von Euch haben kein indianisches Blut, aber ihr tragt den Geist und die Gefühle dieser Menschen und repräsentiert diese, dass ist es was der Schöpfer wohl im Sinn hatte, als er die menschliche Rasse schuf. Viele von Euch haben mit Diskriminierung zu kämpfen, wegen der Dinge, die Eure Vorfahren taten oder auch Eurer Hautfarbe. Dieses wird keinen Einfluss nehmen, auf die Fahne die Ihr repräsentieren möchtet. Dieses Powwow möchte alle unter einer Flagge vereinen und ein Wochenende der Brüderlichkeit und Zusammengehörigkeit, in einer kleinen Arena aber mit einem großen Herzen feiern, wo wir der Welt zeigen, das Menschen zwar von verschiedenen Ländern und doch einem Ort kommen, „Mutter Erde“, wo wir letztendlich alle leben. Jeder ist herzlich willkommen, die Musik, die Lieder und die Gefühle der Ureinwohner Amerikas zu teilen. Wir mögen vielleicht kein indianisches Blut in uns haben, dennoch zeigt mit eurer guten Stimmung der Welt, das wir alle Brüder und Schwestern, Söhne und Töchter sind von dieser einen Mutter Erde.


Es scheint sich um ein 'White Pride'-Powwow von Europäern zu handeln, die meinen, ein *Recht* auf alles zu haben, was sie begehren – und dies wird in Frau Fischers Brief mehrfach angesprochen und bestätigt. Sie hat die Grenze zwischen einer angeblichen Bewunderung für indianische Kulturen, von denen Powwows nur ein Teil sind, überschritten und maßt sich Rechte an, alles zu tun, wonach ihr der Sinn steht ('If you're white, you're right'?). Leute, die überhaupt irgendwelchen Respekt vor indianischen Kulturen haben, sollten sich von diesem Powwow fernhalten, einen deutlichen Standpunkt beziehen und zum Ausdruck bringen, daß sie rassistischen Müll nicht tolerieren und dieser nicht in ihrem Namen verzapft wird.

Es gibt jedoch einen sehr entscheidenden Unterschied zwischen der englischen und deutschen Version des Briefes von Frau Fischer, der nicht an mangelnden sprachlichen Fähigkeiten zu liegen scheint:


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Wir empfangen jeden mit offenem Herzen und Freundschaft – alle Ureinwohner aus Österreich, Belgien, Tschechische Republik, Dänemark, Estland, Finnland, Frankreich, Deutschland, Griechenland, Ungarn, Island, Italien, Lettland, Litauen, Luxemburg, Malta, den Niederlanden, Norwegen, Polen, Portugal, die Slowakei, Slowenien, Spanien, Schweden oder sonst wo in der Welt.

Meine Übersetzung: We accept everybody with an open heart and with friendship – all native inhabitants of Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic [...]

Frau Fischers Übersetzung:
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We open our hearts and friendship to all Nations - Original Natives, or from Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, The Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden or any where else in this world.
[Hervorhebung von mir]


Während die englische Version von Natives *und* Österreichern, Belgiern etc spricht, werden in der deutschen Version die Bürger europäischer Staaten als „Ureinwohner“ bezeichnet. Vielleicht ist dies ein Freudscher Verschreiber – und möglicherweise ist es keiner, wenn man die Berichte einbezieht, nach denen Frau Fischer in Mannheim 2007 als einzige Deutsche getanzt hat, obwohl nur Natives tanzen sollten und Deutsche im 'Outfit' ausdrücklich nicht auf der Tanzfläche erwünscht waren.


Einige Poster äußern, es sei der Verein „Powwow-Freunde“, der das Event organisiert und nun solle man sie doch in Ruhe das Powwow vorbereiten lassen und nicht mehr zu Frau Fischer und Herrn de Carlo posten.

Die im Verein verbliebenen Mitglieder haben umfangreiche Informationen erhalten, daß de Carlo sich zu Unrecht als Kiowa ausgibt und einen guten Profit aus Leuten zieht, die es vorziehen, seine Märchen zu glauben. Er beutet indianische Kulturen für seinen persönlichen Gewinn aus und Frau Fischer tut dasselbe; sie sind respektlos gegenüber indianischen Kulturen und indianischen Personen. Die Vereinsmitglieder tolerieren dies offenbar, da sie immer noch mit de Carlo kooperieren (zb indem sie einen von seiner Firma ausgesetzten Preis für die beste Tänzerin des Powwow akzeptieren) und sie haben offenbar auch nichts weiter zu ihrer Vorsitzenden Frau Fischer hinsichtlich deren fortgesetzter Zusammenarbeit mit de Carlo zu sagen, zu ihren lächerlichen Versuchen, de Carlos Behauptungen, er sei native, zu stützen – noch zu ihren Respektlosigkeiten. Wie der Webseite der Powwow-Freunde zu entnehmen ist, gab es Ende März 2009 gerade eine außerordentliche Mitgliederversammlung, bei der die Mitglieder diese Themen nicht erörterten, sondern zwei neue Personen in den Vorstand wählten, die die Vorsitzende ebenso kritiklos voll unterstützen werden (da eine der Personen ihr Sohn ist und die andere eine Geschäftspartnerin aus den USA). Dadurch haben die Mitglieder es gerade Frau Fischer ermöglicht, ganz nach ihrem Gutdünken fortzufahren. Aufgrund des Stillhaltens und der Inaktivität der Vereinsmitglieder müssen diese jedoch Verantwortung dafür übernehmen, was de Carlo und Fischer tun.

Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 16, 2009, 05:47:42 pm
This is so sickening. All of it.

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performing in bars and biker pubs in a jingle dress with her Gio de Carlo.

Fail.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Ingeborg on June 10, 2009, 12:01:27 am

There's something new on de Carlo's site – is this a first attempt to establish a career as a medicine person?:

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THIEVES OIL FOR SWINE AND BIRD FLUE
The Oil of Thieves helps to boost the immune system and fights off colds and flu, while killing airborne bacteria and viruses that promotes the spread of illness.
The essential oils contained in this blend are also known to stimulate circulation and help clear the respiratory system.
This oil was developed according to the legend about 4 thieves in 15th century England who used a blend of clove, cinnamon, eucalyptus, lemon and rosemary, as well as other protective aromatics to guard their health while robbing plague victims - These men did not get sick - The oils were studied and the combination was proven to work wonders.
1.Equal amounts of eucalyptus, rosemary, cinnamon, clove and lemon. Mix with base of olive oil. I usually put a tablespoon of each in a 2 oz. bottle and then fill the rest with olive oil. you can make a larger batch in a quart jar following the same proportion method.
2.Same ingredients, but measured out in different strength's. Clove Bud Oil 200 drops, Lemon Oil 175 drops, Cinnamon Oil 100 drops, Eucalyptus Oil 75 drops, Rosemary 50 drops.
How to use: Diffuse for short periods of time (1/2 hour or less) in the work or home environment. Apply to the bottom of the feet or dilute with a Massage Oil Base for a stimulating massage under the arms and on the chest at the base of the neck. Common Ingredients: Clove (Syzygium aromaticum), lemon (Citrus limon), cinnamon (Cinnamomum verum), Eucalyptus radiata, and rosemary (Rosmarinus officinalis).

The exploiter of ndn cultures advocating thieves oil.... Congrats on your apt choice, Mr de Carlo!


De Carlo is also advertising an 'Indian Dance Festival', June 20/21st at his site:

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On June 20 and 21 an Indian Festival will take place at Erlbruchpark, called 'Powwow' by the American Natives.
Organisator Jaqueline Fischer and her son Marc presented the festival and its programme to Mayor Wolfgang Pantförder.
Both had donned original costumes, sown by hand and beaded in hundreds of hours – a strange view for many employees at the town hall.
The Indian Festival plans to give a complete view of Indian culture [sic!] in the USA. Therefore, there will be a tipi, the classical Indian tent, a small dance workshop, tables to do handicrafts like Indian jewelry and dreamcatchers („You've got to pray while making them or else they don't work“), and well-known Indian Tdom Bah (The Flute Keeper) will play some of his most beautiful melodies.
Several traditional dances will be shown and social dances, too, for which everybody is welcome to join in. Fun for the whole family.
The organisators believe one thing to be important: authenticity. „We don't offer Karl-May-romantics, but want to inform about life and history of the still more than 2 million natives „Indians““, says Jaqueline Fischer.
The festival will start at 10 a.m. and ends at 6 p.m. every day.

Persons who would like to be more than visitors are invited to wear their Indian regalia. Hobbyists and Powwow-dancers, no matter which tribe they represent, are very welcome. The premises offer space to change gear, washing facilities, food will be offered. All dancers will receive a small thankyou and a certificate as a souvenir.“

First of all it is remarkable that de Carlo did not translate this article...
Then of course!, dear Ms Fischer, you do not have original costumes, as you aren't Indian. It is quite a cheek of you to claim what you wear is original.

You also speak of one Indian culture – it may come as a surprise to you, but there are hundreds of ndn cultures in North America. Remember the film title „500 nations“?

And pardon me, but a complete view of several hundred cultures in one weekend? Alright, anthropologists spend all their professional life and don't manage to do this by far. Perhaps you can help them out... On a less cynical note: no, you cannot give a complete view of ndn cultures, not during your lifetime, much less in a weekend. If you seriously believe this can be done, you must assume these cultures offer so little it's hardly worth mentioning. And this would be quite racist. Ndn cultures are more than powwows and one tipi.

Your audience will not be able to do their own 'Indian jewelry – they're not ndn, after all. All they can do is more or less well done imitations. You are giving them a completely wrong idea if you tell them they can make 'Indian jewelry'. Again, this is racist.

And I beg your pardon: Senor Giovanni and a „well-known Indian“???? Oh my. He is a poser and a liar, you have been told this several times. Giovanni is not known by the Kiowa nation, he is not enrolled and never was.

All the above renders your claim of authenticity completely worthless. You cannot be authentic ndn, same as Senor Giovanni.

So you're inviting hobbyists and powwow dancers along to the event – they can dance and present that „complete view“ for your audience. You even announce publically that the payment these hobbyists and powwow dancers will receive is a worthless piece of paper. Who then is cashing in on the event? We may assume there are at least two persons: Senor de Carlo and you. Because you and de Carlo won't be doing anything there for a mere 'thanx, people'. In a German language forum you wrote it is your company organising the event – a company is a profit-oriented enterprise. So you expect others to help you cash in and receive a lukewarm thanx in return? Now, what a great idea to make other people work for you without pay....

Therefore my appeal to German hobbyists and powwow dancers:

Do NOT go to Recklinghausen to earn de Carlo and Ms Fischer money! He and Ms Fischer need you (and want to use you) to have people in clothes of many nations present ('no matter which tribe they represent'...), and in the end, you'll be sent home with a lame handshake and a piece of paper. Guess whether the 'organisers' will walk home with a similarly moderate pay.


Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Ingeborg on June 10, 2009, 12:07:22 am
Again a German translation for the convenience of German readers:



Zunächst mal ist es bemerkenswert, daß de Carlo diesen Artikel [über das Tanz-Festival in Recklinghausen] nicht ins Englische übersetzt...
Natürlich!, liebe Frau Fischer, haben Sie keine originale Tracht, denn Sie sind keine Indianerin. Es ist reichlich frech von Ihnen zu behaupten, sie trügen Originalkleidung.

Außerdem sprechen sie nur von einer indianischen Kultur – es mag Sie überraschen, aber es gibt hunderte indianischer Kulturen in Nordamerika. Kennen Sie den Filmtitel „500 nations“?

Und entschuldigen Sie schon, aber eine komplette Übersicht über mehrere hundert Kulturen an einem Wochenende? Also, Ethnologen schaffen dies in einem ganzen Berufsleben bei weitem nicht. Vielleicht können Sie denen ja behilflich sein.... Mit weniger Zynismus gesagt: Sie können es nicht schaffen, an einem Wochenende einen Überblick über alle indianischen Kulturen zu geben. Wenn Sie ernsthaft glauben, daß dies machbar ist, müssen Sie meinen, diese Kulturen hätten so wenig anzubieten, daß es kaum der Rede wert ist. Dies wäre jedoch arg rassistisch. Indianische Kulturen sind sehr viel mehr als Powwows und Tipis.

Ebenso wird Ihr Publikum keinen „Indianerschmuck“ herstellen können – da sie keine Indianer sind. Die Leute können nur mehr oder weniger gelungene Imitationen herstellen. Sie vermitteln ein völlig falsches Bild, wenn Sie Ihrem Publikum erzählen, es könne 'Indianerschmuck' basteln. Auch dies ist rassistisch.

Und ich muß doch sehr bitten: Senor Giovanni und ein „bekannter Indianer“????? Auweia! Er ist ein Poser und Lügner, und darauf sind Sie bereits mehrfach aufmerksam gemacht worden. Die Kiowa Nation kennt Giovanni nicht, er ist nicht eingetragen und war es nie.

All dies macht Ihren Anspruch auf „Authentizität“ völlig wertlos. Sie können keine authentische Indianerin sein, ebenso wie Senor Giovanni kein authentischer Indianer ist.

Ach, und Sie laden Hobbyisten und Powwowtänzer zu der Veranstaltung ein – die können tanzen und diesen „kompletten Überblick“ für Ihr Publikum herstellen. Sie kündigen auch noch öffentlich an, daß die Bezahlung für Hobbyisten und Powwowtänzer ein wertloses Stück Papier ist. Wer kassiert denn bei dem Event? Wir können annehmen, daß zwei Personen abkassieren: Senor de Carlo und Sie. Denn Sie und de Carlo werden da gewiß nicht nur für ein lahmes „Danke, Leute“ auftreten. In einem deutschen Forum schrieben Sie gerade, das Event werde von Ihrer Firma organisiert – eine Firma ist ein profitorientiertes Unternehmen. Und Sie erwarten, daß andere Ihnen für nothing ordentlich dabei helfen abzukassieren und dafür nur ein lauwarmes Danke erhalten? Klar, eine tolle Idee, andere für sich arbeiten zu lassen, ohne Bezahlung....


Daher mein Appell an die deutschen Hobbyisten und Powwowtänzer:

Geht NICHT nach Recklinghausen und ermöglicht es de Carlo und Frau Fischer, Geld zu verdienen! Er und Frau Fischer brauchen euch (und wollen euch benutzen), um Leute in indianischer Kleidung dort zu haben, die die versprochenen vielen Nationen und den Überblick ermöglichen („Hobbyisten und Powwow-Tänzer, egal welchen Stamm sie darstellen....“). Am Ende der Veranstaltung gibt es für euch einen lahmen Händedruck und einen Wisch. Ratet doch mal, ob die 'Organisatoren' auch mit so bescheidenem Lohn nach Hause gehen.

Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Ingeborg on August 13, 2009, 12:09:15 pm

Mr de Carlo has once again taken to fraud to evoke the impression of his being such excellent an artist that awards come in from here, there, and everywhere.
He has put up a poster from Australian An'R at his website http://www.gilamusic.com (upper left corner) which seems to announce he was given an award by An'R. De Carlo's photo is in the second row to the right.

An inquiry with An'R, however, brought the reply that de Carlo received no award by them, and that the original poster in fact displays the photo of a Russian artist.

Perhaps Mr de Carlo also aims at the award for the world's most proficient photoshop user....





And in translation for the convenience of our German readers:

Herr de Carlo hat wieder einmal sein Bildbearbeitungsprogramm bemüht, um den Eindruck zu erwecken, er sei ein so großer Künstler, daß die Auszeichnungen von überallher nur so auf ihn herunterregnen.
Auf seiner Webseite httP://www.gilamusic.com veröffentlicht er ein Poster (oben links), aus dem hervorzugehen scheint, daß er eine Auszeichnungen vom australischen An'R erhalten hat. Auf dem Poster ist de Carlos Foto in der zweiten Reihe rechts abgebildet.

Eine Nachfrage bei An'R ergab jedoch, daß de Carlo von ihnen keine Auszeichnung erhielt und das Originalposter zeige an dieser Stelle das Foto eines russischen Künstlers.

Vielleicht bewirbt sich Herr de Carlo vielmehr um den Titel als weltbester Photoshop-Anwender ...?
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Elke on October 23, 2009, 01:02:21 pm
http://www.dortmund.de/de/cms/dortmund/freizeit_und_kultur/veranstaltungskalender/veranstaltung_detail_49023.jsp?date=Mittwoch,+18.+November+2009&stime=

still calling himself a flute keeper from Kiowa Nation....

and still the same event-organizing praktices.....

Elke
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Adept on October 24, 2009, 04:00:50 pm
http://www.dortmund.de/de/cms/dortmund/freizeit_und_kultur/veranstaltungskalender/veranstaltung_detail_49023.jsp?date=Mittwoch,+18.+November+2009&stime=

still calling himself a flute keeper from Kiowa Nation....

and still the same event-organizing praktices.....


Strange that this Dortmunder organizer turns out to be an youth welfare office - which engaged every year the same fraudster...
How many blind staff member allowed to work at a youth welfare office? - Thought it´s a Responsible Job?
It's enough to drive you up the wall - that sucks!!!! It should be reported to some newspapers....

German:
Seltsam, daß dieser Dortmunder Veranstalter sich als ein Jugendamt entpuppt - und selbiger jedes Jahr den gleichen Betrüger engagiert...
Wie viele blinde Mitarbeiter sind bei diesem Jugendamt beschäftigt? - Ich dachte bisher, dies sei eine sehr verantwortungsvolle Aufgabe?
Doch genau solche Ämter mit ihren beschissenen Mitarbeitern bzw. Beamtenfuzzi´s zeichnen sich für die Jugend verantwortlich - es ist eine Skandal!!!!
Man sollte damit an die Presse gehen...


Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
Post by: Ingeborg on April 30, 2010, 08:36:54 pm
Apparently, de Carlo has a few very rare talents. Oh no, not playing flute, but quite mysterious ones. On de Carlo's GiLa Music site, he supplies information about his gigs this year. Scroll down to see that de Carlo is a musician of world renown and is sought for even in Australia....:

http://www.gilamusic.com/

(http://www.gilamusic.com/australia2010.jpg)

Underneath the poster, de Carlo has added the following information:

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Flute and Cigar Box Guitar Workshops with The Flute Keeper

NOTICE: In addition to the live presentation scheduled during this event, I will host workshops during the term of the event at the following times: Friday 30 April 5pm - 10pm - Saturday 1 May 8am - 4pm - Sunday 2 May 8am - 4pm - Monday 3 May 8am - 3pm - I encourage you to reserve your space to do your Flute or Cigar Box Guitar workshop. Materials and others tools needed for these workshops are taken from overseas (USA via Germany to Singapore and so on) and weight is a factor. Thank you for your patronage and understanding and look forward to seeing you there. To those of you not interested in doing the workshop but would like to have a handmade Flute or Cigar Box Guitar, I would have a few pieces available for you to choose from... still if you like to get one let me know and I would make sure it gets to you...

Gio - the flute keeper - de Carlo


The site of his partner Jackie Fischer, however, claims they are doing an event in the South of Germany at a place called Diana's Horsefarm at the very weekend de Carlo claims to do a gig in Australia:

http://www.nativeevents.de/Flyer-Otterberg.htm

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Spend the weekend with Indians and learn to do Indian craft. Day event.

Friday: 4.00 p.m. - 9 p.m. Make your own Indian cedarwood flute with the Indian flutemaker Tdom Bah, an Indian artist from Oklahoma.
Learn how to make your own Cowboy.Blues guitar, a genuine American Old Fashion instrument. This is the first workshop in Germany (2 hours).
Further events: dreamcatchers, mocassins from deer leather (approx 4 hrs), children's flutes, mini-tipis, pearl works etc.

Saturday, 10 a.m. - 2 p.m.: Pony riding, handicraft work for children, workshops for making cedar flutes, country-blues guitars etc.
Two concerts: 4 p.m. - 6 p.m., 7 p.m.- 9 p.m. Enjoy 2 hours of flute music with prize-winning Tdom Bah, creator of „Sacred Spirit“, „Sacred Ground“ and Indian dances.

Sunday 10 a.m.-2 p.m.: Craft and children's events, many activties

Come and spend one day at the horsefarm, make your own craft, meet real Indians, enjoy riding a pony, throwing horse shoes, we have got Indian cuisine, enjoy this Indian day.

(http://www.westernreiten-otterberg.de/Bilder/Allgemein/flier_front.jpg)

Now, aren't we impressed. The man is able to appear in two places at the same time, Australia and Germany!


Unfortunately, the official site of that event in Australia doesn't present any artist by the name of Giovanni de Carlo or Tdom Bah Toden Xkee – he is not listed among the artists performing there.
As you might have guessed already, their promotion poster also looks somewhat different than the version de Carlo publishes:

http://www.urbancountry.com.au/default.aspx

(http://www.urbancountry.com.au/images/splash.jpg)

And their list of artists:
http://www.urbancountry.com.au/general.aspx?id=151


Mr de Carlo seems to have ceased giving himself the air of a reputable musician, or perhaps he's running for an entry in the Guiness Book of Records: fastest flight to Australia and back.

[edited at Ingeborg's request to fix image tags -kpn]
Title: Re: Giovanni de Carlo aka Tdom Bah Toden Xkee
Post by: Defend the Sacred on May 02, 2010, 04:26:31 pm
Wow. That's a clumsy photoshop job if I've ever seen one. I'll also load the before and after versions here in case he takes his down. Just click on the images to make them full size.

First attachment below is the original image, a screencap from http://www.urbancountry.com.au/default.aspx

Below that is de Carlo's version, from his website http://www.gilamusic.com/  The image has been badly altered to include a picture of himself, doing his shameon schtick for the tourists.  :o

ETA: Hey, is that him in the image on the right, too? So... he'll market himself as a cowboy, or an Indian, or both, depending on what sells better? I've added another pic he's posted of himself on his website. Looks like he's selling other services, as well.  ::)
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee aka Giovanni de Carlo aka "The Flute Keeper"
Post by: Ingeborg on May 02, 2010, 05:41:44 pm


(http://www.nativeevents.de/Bilder/flier_back_Otterberg.jpg)
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee aka Giovanni de Carlo aka "The Flute Keeper"
Post by: Elke on May 04, 2010, 07:37:02 pm
http://www.schamane-johannes.com/the_dancing_bear.html

 who the hell are the Huron-Dakota-Tribe????????????

http://www.schamane-johannes.com/tipi.html

I'm errecting tipis since many years, but I didn't know that you need a ledder to the top of your lodge...mhmmm....

funny things go on in the world of di Carlos friends...

Greetings from Elke

http://www.schamane-johannes.com/tag_der_offenen_mit_powwow_.html
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee aka Giovanni de Carlo aka "The Flute Keeper"
Post by: Elke on May 04, 2010, 07:45:32 pm
 a friend of Johannes..... look at the Shaman video

http://www.erdbeereis.tv/schamane-video.html
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee aka Giovanni de Carlo aka "The Flute Keeper"
Post by: Ingeborg on May 04, 2010, 10:43:14 pm
Yup, that's a great one! Senor de Carlo joins the nuage crowd.....
The organizer of the event taking place May 8 and 9, 2010 goes by the name of Johannes Martin Rohmann, genuine "Indian name" is "The Dancing Bear"... and his knowledge about ndns is - errm: interesting:


http://www.schamane-johannes.com/the_dancing_bear.html

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I was trained as a shaman and medicine man with the tribe of Huron Dakota in North America.
My specials are e.g.:
meditation
seeing of energy places
healing plants, power animals and totem
rituals and journeys to the underworld
detoxication of body, soul, and spirit
energetic healing
alternative medicine

Yes, Rohmann does indeed say he went to the tribe of Huron Dakota. His site even displays one newspaper article and the text of a radio spot - although he had to add a correction to both. Both article and radio spot mentioned he spent twelve years with the Huron Dakota to learn to be a medicine man. Rohmann corrects that he never told them it was twelve years, but several years which he spent at different parts of the world to become a shaman.

Hey, Senor de Carlo, Rohmann is a good match for you - you seem to display a similar urge for truthfulness.



Here's Rohmann's text for the event with Senor de Carlo and Ms Fischer:

http://www.schamane-johannes.com/tag_der_offenen_mit_powwow_.html

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Open Day at "The Dancing Bear's"
including Powwow, a programme for children and grown-ups

When: Saturday, May 8 and Sunday, May 9, 2010
Start: 10 p.m-
Where: Moembris an der Kahl, at "The Dancing Bear's" place at the tipi

No entry charged
Contact: 0171/803xxxxx, www.schamane-johannes.com

Original Indian dances will be shown by Jacqueline Fischer.

"The Dancing Bear" and his friend, the Kiowa Indian "The Flute Keeper" Tdom Bah Toden Xkee, will play instruments and present genuine Indian music.

The traditional flute will be played by the Indian Tdom Bah and be accompanied by "Dancing Bear" on his drum.

On both days, it will be possible to make one's own instrument under the guidance of Tdom Bah (Indian flute, drum, cigar box guitar) as well as dream catchers etc.

Our "little ones" will be taken care of, too. They can do their own flute and take it home with them.

In the evening, we will all sit at the fire, play instruments, and light the peace pipe for Mother Earth.

We invite you to spend these two days with us and to get to know genuine Indian culture.

Johannes Martin "The Dancing Bear"

From the above text it is quite apparent that shame-on Johannes is - errrm: somewhat simple. But what's much worse, he also repeats a few bad stereotypes. A person claiming to be from the Kiowa nation, Senor de Carlo, should kick shame-on Johannes' behind for using terms like peace pipe and such.

Oh, wait a minute - a person claiming to be from the Kiowa nation indeed shouldn't touch an event organized by shame-on Johannes with a ten-foot pole!

Senor de Carlo, perhaps YOU - since you're once more posing as a real genuine ndn - can tell us a bit more on the "Huron Dakota". I'd love to be educated, and I trust this is true for all of us here at NAFPS. Please, do pass us some information.

And, Senor de Carlo, why don't you mention this outstanding event on your website? In fact: just why did you haste to take down all the info about your gig in Australia today? ? ? Anyways, Ms Fischer's commercial site has all the info about the event organized by shame-on Johannes:


http://www.nativeevents.de/Termine.htm

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May 8 and 9, 2010 Open Day at "Dancing Bear's" in the town of Moembris, begin 10 p.m. Entrance free of charge

Workshops:
Indian cedar flutes (approx 4 hours)
The Original - make your own old fashion Cowboy Blues Guitar
Mocassins from deer leather (approx 4 hours)
Dream catchers
Pearl work
various activities for children: making mini-tipis, Indian flutes, dream catchers and much more.

A day full of activities, with a camp fire, all workshops will include a meal.
Please inquire prices at info nativeevents de

Flute music and presentation of dances
Indian flute music
Powwow dances, everybody is invited to participate

Funny thing that shame-on Johannes does not mention participants will have to pay for the workshops, while Ms Fischer and Senor de Carlo apparently intend to charge. Well, if this raises some bad feelings during the event, they will all be able to make up at the campfire smoking shame-on Johannes peace pipe :sarcasm off:.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee aka Giovanni de Carlo aka "The Flute Keeper"
Post by: Ingeborg on May 04, 2010, 10:48:10 pm
Before shame-on Johannes removes the photos Elke mentioned - see a real shame-on put up a tipi:


http://www.schamane-johannes.com/tipi.html

(http://www.schamane-johannes.com/images/p011_1_03.jpg)




(http://www.schamane-johannes.com/images/p011_1_05.jpg)




(http://www.schamane-johannes.com/images/p011_1_02.jpg)
Title: Don't cry for him, Argentina !
Post by: Ingeborg on May 05, 2010, 10:07:33 pm
Closer looks at google results in all kinds of languages can be quite interesting. So there is this blog entry dd Oct 9, 2008:


http://blogs.tn.com.ar/internet/archives/2008/07/tecnologia_de_punta_en_alemania.html

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Y el tipo a la mitad de la calle? Que... espera el colectivo? sera que en todas partes se ven tipos asi?... yo vivo en Argentina pero trabajo en Alemania varios meses y la verdad que si vivieras aqui por un tiempo te darias cuenta que no es como se ven las cosas desde fuera. Desorganizados, problematicos, faltos de palabra y miles de cosas mas que no hay que envidiarles a los alemanes. Mucha tecnologia, pero la verdad que no saben que hacer con ella y un letrerito apantalla bobos no es todo....Creemelo, yo tengo que vivir y trabajar con ellos.
saludos y nos vemos pronto por esa linda ciudad.

Publicado por: gio de carlo | Octubre 9, 2008 4:02 AM
Emphasis added by me


Translation:
„And the man in the street? What … waiting for the bus? Can it be one sees such people everywhere? … I live in Argentina but am working in Germany since some months, and the truth is that, after you have been living here for some time, you realise that things aren't what they look like from the outside. Desorganized, problematic, speechless and thousand more things you don't envy the Germans for [… original sentence garbled]. Much technology, but in reality they don't know what to do with it.
Believe me, I've got to work and live with them.
Greetings and see you soon in this beautiful city.

Published by: gio de carlo October 9, 2008  4:02 AM“

Plus: de Carlo linked his name underneath the blog comment to his website www.gilamusic.com.

So Senor de Carlo is Argentinian after all? Or at least back in 2008 he was sure he was Argentinian. Same as here:
http://www.sonico.com/u/10784230/Gio_De_Carlo
where it reads „Gio de Carlo, Buenos Aires, Argentina“. The profile is complete with a photo:


(http://profile.pics.ak.sonicocnt.com/photos/7/AH/BU/10784230/bg_profile.jpg?1222885375)


Sonico has another profile:
http://www.sonico.com/u/Gio_De_Carlo/51006847
which says „Gio de Carlo, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany“. (Rhineland-Palatinate is the German federal state where de Carlo lives.)

An Argentinian background would also match his accent when speaking English. His Italian name even supports this. „De Carlo“ is a family name found in Italy and the Italian-speaking part of Switzerland, Giovanni is the Italian form of Juan or John. Argentina saw a substantial imigration of Italian people; about 36% of the European population of Argentina is of Italian descent.


On the other hand, there are two letters to the editor of two Argentinian newspapers written this year:

http://www.clarin.com/suplementos/cartas/2010/04/18/CartasUnaCarta.htm

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DOM 18.04.2010

Una carta

Soy un miembro de la tribu Kiowa. La película "Danza con lobos" fue un insulto a las tribus de Norteamérica y me imagino que un Presidente debiera tener un asesor que le informe o investigue las cosas antes de hablar. Les recuerdo que somos "naciones" y que como tales merecemos respeto. Por lo que se dice y, sobre todo, por quién lo dice.

Tdom Bah Toden Xkee. gio1657@googlemail.com


Una historia

"Me siento como en Danza con Lobos", dijo la Presidenta en su visita al Museo Nacional del Indígena Americano en Washington. La referencia a la película de Kevin Costner disgustó al lector, quien figura en sus documentos como Giovanni De Carlo, nombre que le puso su padre adoptivo. Es un hombre que lleva sus saberes musicales por el mundo, está casado con una argentina, a quien conoció en Grecia, donde ahora viven, y hasta noviembre pasado fue vecino de Caballito.

Nacido en Texas, hijo de una india Kiowa ("De mi padre no sé nada... él no se quedó a verme nacer"), su especialidad es la flauta, y con ella compuso la música para la película "El último mohicano". Cuenta que el nombre con el que firma la carta (Tdom Bah Toden Xkee) se lo puso un hombre de su tribu, en Oklahoma, y que significa "El Guardián de La Flauta".

Su hija Nikoleta es la bisnieta de un jefe indio, Chief Joseph, y porta sangre de emigrantes armenios, que se radicaron en la Argentina. El lector relata que fue "un gran honor" haberle dado a Cristina "una vestimenta de nuestra gente" como homenaje a su visita. Pero dispara que "no todo es haber saludado a Obama, quien no nos representa, aunque lo respetamos...En fin, 500 años
después qué se puede decir... peleamos, perdimos y así son las cosas". La mención de la Presidenta a "Danza con lobos" no le cayó nada bien. Y explicó sus razones, que vienen del fondo de la historia.
Emphasis added by me

Translation:
„A Letter

I am a member of the Kiowa tribe. The film „Dances with Wolves“ was an insult towards the tribes of North America and I believe that a president should have councellors who inform him or research things before he speaks. I remind you we are nations and merit respect as such. For what is said and above all by whom this is said.

 Tdom Bah Toden Xkee. gio1657@googlemail.com

A Story

„I feel like in 'Dances with Wolves'“, the president [of Argentina] said in the National Museum of the American Indian in Washington. The reader – who in his papers appears as Giovanni de Carlo, a name he received by his adoptive father - did not like the hint at Kevin Costner's film. He is a man who carries his musical abilities into the world, he is married to an Argentinian lady whom he met in Greece where both are living today, and until last November [i.e.2009] he lived in the neighbourhood of Caballito.

Born in Texas and son of a Kiowa lady („I don't know anything about my father … he didn't stay to see me born“), his specialty is the flute and with the flute, he composed the music to the film „Last of the Mohicans“. He reports that the name with which he undersigned his letter (Tdom Bah Toden Xkee) was given to him by a man from his tribe in Oklahoma and that it means „The Flute Keeper“.

His daughter Nikoleta is the great-granddaughter of an Indian chief, Chief Joseph, and she also carries the blood of Armenian imigrants who settled down in Argentina. The reader reports it was „a great honour“ for him to have given Christina „regalia of our people“ to honour her visit. But he concludes that it is not everything to have said hello to Obama who does not represent us, although we respect him. After all, 500 years after one can say... we fought, we lost and this is what things are like“. He did not like very much the first lady mentioning the film 'Dances with Wolves'. And he explained his reasons which come from the background of history.“


Well, I must say, Senor de Carlo – if you really mean to pose as an ndn, you've got to learn waaay more history. Chief Joseph wasn't a Kiowa. I'm not going to tell you which nation he was from, do the homework yourself.

Senor de Carlo's mathmatic abilities are somewhat deplorable – him being a grandson of Chief Joseph is somewhat unlikely. The e-mail addy he used for this stunt is „gio1657“. We remember from the scan of his passport he used to publish at his website that his DOB is December 16, so apparently he was born in 1957. Chief Joseph was born in 1840 and died on September 21, 1904. How Joseph as a grandfather could make de Carlo a Kiowa remains his secret. The English Wikipedia mentions Joseph had one daughter, who according to de Carlo's above account to the newspaper then would be his mother. Alright, Senor de Carlo – first learn some arithmetics, then proceed to Biology 101.

Or perhaps Joseph is his daughter's maternal ggfather – no, wait, these people were Argentinian, but as he says in another comment, have Armenian roots:

http://www.ian.cc/notas/noticias_ian.php?id=556

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Publicado por: Giovanni de carlo | Buenos aires | Argentina | 22/01/2007
En nombre de mi familia, que llevan la sangre Armenia con gran orgullo.... yo, apesar de no serlo, le felicito por tener este gesto y valor ante el mundo.

Curiouser and curiouser.... Nope, not at all. What we learn is that Senor de Carlo is a liar who will not tell the truth if and when a lie will do the job as well. Perhaps he twisted and turned and changed his stories so often he forgot what the truth is.

So - don't cry for him, Argentina!

Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee aka Giovanni de Carlo aka "The Flute Keeper"
Post by: Ingeborg on May 05, 2010, 10:56:11 pm
For the convenience of our German readers, I translated the above post:


Ein genauerer Blick auf die Google-Resultate in anderen Sprachen kann ganz interessant sein. Dabei findet sich zum Beispiel ein Blogeintrag in spanischer Sprache vom 9.10.2008:


http://blogs.tn.com.ar/internet/archives/2008/07/tecnologia_de_punta_en_alemania.html

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Y el tipo a la mitad de la calle? Que... espera el colectivo? sera que en todas partes se ven tipos asi?... yo vivo en Argentina pero trabajo en Alemania varios meses y la verdad que si vivieras aqui por un tiempo te darias cuenta que no es como se ven las cosas desde fuera. Desorganizados, problematicos, faltos de palabra y miles de cosas mas que no hay que envidiarles a los alemanes. Mucha tecnologia, pero la verdad que no saben que hacer con ella y un letrerito apantalla bobos no es todo....Creemelo, yo tengo que vivir y trabajar con ellos.
saludos y nos vemos pronto por esa linda ciudad.

Publicado por: gio de carlo | Octubre 9, 2008 4:02 AM
Hervorhebung von mir


Übersetzung:
"Und der Mann auf der Straße? Was.... wartet der auf den Bus? Kann es sein, daß man solche Leute überall sieht? ... Ich lebe in Argentinien, arbeite aber seit einigen Monaten in Deutschland und die Wahrheit ist, daß man - wenn man einige Zeit hier gelebt hat - erkennt, daß die Dinge nicht so sind, wie sie von außen erscheinen. Desorganisiert, problematisch, sprachlos und tausend andere Dinge, um die man die Deutschen nicht beneidet [.... Satz im Original unklar]. Viel Technologie, aber tatsächlich wissen die nicht, was sie damit anfangen sollen. Glaub mir, ich muß mit denen leben und arbeiten.
Viele Grüße und wir sehen uns bald in dieser schönen Stadt.

Veröffentlicht von: gio de Carlo  9. Oktober 2008  4:02 Uhr"

Besondere Beachtung verdient, daß der Name unter dem Blogkommentar einen Link zu einer Webseite enthält. Die verlinkte Webseite ist: www.gilamusic.com.

Da scheint Senor de Carlo wohl Argentinier? Jedenfalls schien er sich 2008 noch einigermaßen sicher zu sein. Ebenso wie hier:


http://www.sonico.com/u/10784230/Gio_De_Carlo
Das Profil gehört "Gio de Carlo  Buenos Aires, Argentinien". Das Profil zeigt auch ein Foto:


(http://profile.pics.ak.sonicocnt.com/photos/7/AH/BU/10784230/bg_profile.jpg?1222885375)



Sonico hat noch ein weiteres Profil:
http://www.sonico.com/u/Gio_De_Carlo/51006847
Hier heißt es "Gio de Carlo  Rheinland-Pfalz, Deutschland".

Eine argentinische Herkunft würde auch den Akzent erklären, den er im Englischen hat und der alles andere als ein US-amerikanischer Akzent ist. Sein italienischer Name unterstützt dies noch. "De Carlo" ist ein Familienname, der in Italien und auch im italienischsprachigen Teil der Schweiz vorkommt. "Giovanni" ist die italienische Form von Juan bzw. Johannes. Nach Argentinien sind außerdem viele Italiener ausgewandert; ca. 36% der Argentinier mit europäischer Abstammung haben italienische Vorfahren.


Andererseits gibt es zwei Leserbriefe an argentinische Zeitungen aus dem Jahr 2010:

http://www.clarin.com/suplementos/cartas/2010/04/18/CartasUnaCarta.htm

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DOM 18.04.2010

Una carta

Soy un miembro de la tribu Kiowa. La película "Danza con lobos" fue un insulto a las tribus de Norteamérica y me imagino que un Presidente debiera tener un asesor que le informe o investigue las cosas antes de hablar. Les recuerdo que somos "naciones" y que como tales merecemos respeto. Por lo que se dice y, sobre todo, por quién lo dice.

Tdom Bah Toden Xkee. gio1657@googlemail.com


Una historia

"Me siento como en Danza con Lobos", dijo la Presidenta en su visita al Museo Nacional del Indígena Americano en Washington. La referencia a la película de Kevin Costner disgustó al lector, quien figura en sus documentos como Giovanni De Carlo, nombre que le puso su padre adoptivo. Es un hombre que lleva sus saberes musicales por el mundo, está casado con una argentina, a quien conoció en Grecia, donde ahora viven, y hasta noviembre pasado fue vecino de Caballito.

Nacido en Texas, hijo de una india Kiowa ("De mi padre no sé nada... él no se quedó a verme nacer"), su especialidad es la flauta, y con ella compuso la música para la película "El último mohicano". Cuenta que el nombre con el que firma la carta (Tdom Bah Toden Xkee) se lo puso un hombre de su tribu, en Oklahoma, y que significa "El Guardián de La Flauta".

Su hija Nikoleta es la bisnieta de un jefe indio, Chief Joseph, y porta sangre de emigrantes armenios, que se radicaron en la Argentina. El lector relata que fue "un gran honor" haberle dado a Cristina "una vestimenta de nuestra gente" como homenaje a su visita. Pero dispara que "no todo es haber saludado a Obama, quien no nos representa, aunque lo respetamos...En fin,
500 años después qué se puede decir... peleamos, perdimos y así son las cosas". La mención de la Presidenta a "Danza con lobos" no le cayó nada bien. Y explicó sus razones, que vienen del fondo de la historia.
Hervorhebungen von mir

Übersetzung:
„Ein Brief

Ich bin Mitglied des Stammes der Kiowa. Der Film "Der mit dem Wolf tanzt" war eine Beleidigung für die Stämme in Nordamerika und ich meine, eine Präsidentin sollte Berater haben, die sie informieren oder die Dinge recherchieren, bevor sie spricht. Ich erinnere daran, daß wir Nationen sind, die als solche Respekt verdienen. Für das, was gesagt wird und vor allem, von wem es gesagt wird.

 Tdom Bah Toden Xkee. gio1657@googlemail.com

Eine Geschichte

Die argentinische Präsidentin sagte im National Museum of the American Indian in Washington: "Ich komme mir vor wie in "Der mit dem Wolf tanzt". Unser Leser - der in seinen Papieren den Namen Giovanni de Carlo trägt, den er von seinem Adoptivvater hat - nahm Anstoß an dem Vergleich mit dem Film von Kevin Costner. Er ist ein Mann, der seine musikalischen Fähigkeiten in die Welt trägt, er ist mit einer Argentinierin verheiratet, die er in Griechenland traf, wo die beiden heute leben, und bis zum letzten November [d.h.2009] lebten sie noch im Stadtviertel Caballito [in Buenos Aires].

Er wurde in Texas als Sohn einer Kiowa-Indianerin geboren ("Von meinem Vater weiß ich nichts ... er blieb nicht, bis ich geboren wurde"), ist seine Spezialität die Flöte, mit der er die Musik zum Film "Der letzte Mohikaner" komponierte. Er sagte uns, daß er den Namen, mit dem er seinen Brief unterzeichnete (Tdom Bah Toden Xkee), von einem Mann aus seinem Stamm in Oklahoma erhielt und daß dieser Name "The Flute Keeper" bedeutet.

Seine Tochter Nikoleta ist die Urgroßenkelin eines Indianerhäuptlings, Chief Joseph, und sie trägt auch das Blut armenischer Emigranten in sich, die sich in Argentinien niederließen. Unser Leser berichtet, es sei ihm "eine große Ehre" gewesen, daß Der Leser berichtet, dass es "eine große Ehre" gewesen sei, Christina "eine Tracht unserer Leute" gegeben zu haben als Ehrung für ihren Besuch.
Aber er schließt, daß es nicht alles ist, Obama begrüßt zu haben, der uns nicht repräsentiert, obwohl wir ihn respektieren... Schließlich, 500 Jahre später kann man sagen kann.... wir kämpften, wir verloren und so liegen die Dinge". Die Erwähnung des Films Der mit dem Wolf tanzt durch die Präsidentin missfiel ihm sehr. Und er erklärte seine Gründe, die aus dem Hintergrund der Geschichte kommen."



Na, also wissen Sie, Senor de Carlo - wenn sie wirklich als Indianer auftreten wollen, müssen sie aber erstmal ordentlich Geschichte lernen. Chief Joseph war kein Kiowa. Ich sage jetzt aber nicht, zu welcher nation er gehörte, die Hausaufgaben müssen Sie schon selbst erledigen.

Außerdem steht es auch mit den Rechenkünsten von Senor de Carlo nicht so ganz zum Besten - daß er der Enkel von Chief Joseph ist, ist ja nun ein ganz klein wenig unwahrscheinlich. Die E-Mail-Adresse, die er beim Leserbrief angab, lautet "gio1657". Er hatte auf seiner Webseite den Scan seines Reisepasses eingescannt, und da lautete sein Geburtsdatum 16. Dezember, also wurde er vermutlich im Jahre 1957 geboren.
Wie Chief Joseph als Großvater ihn zu einem Mitglied der Kiowa nation machen kann, bleibt ohnehin de Carlos Geheimnis. Wikipedia nennt als Geburtsjahr von Chief Joseph das Jahr 1840 und Joseph starb am 21. September 1904. Der englischen Wikipedia zufolge hatte Joseph eine Tochter, die dann den Einlassungen von Senor de Carlo gegenüber der Zeitung seine Mutter sein müßte. Na gut, Senor de Carlo - erst lernen Sie mal ein bißchen rechnen, dann machen wir mit dem Biologiebuch für Anfänger weiter.

Oder vielleicht ist Joseph ja der Urgroßvater mütterlicherseits - nein doch, die kamen ja aus Armenien nach Argentinien.... :kopfkratz:

Es wird ja immer verzwickter.... Nein, Sarkasmus off. Was wir daraus ersehen ist, daß Senor de Carlo ein Lügner ist, der um Himmels willen nicht die Wahrheit sagt, wenn es eine Lüge genauso tut. Vielleicht hat er seine Darstellungen schon so oft gedreht, gewendet und verändert, daß er sich an die Wahrheit leider nicht mehr erinnern kann.

Wie dem auch sei:  Wein nicht um ihn, Argentinien !
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee aka Giovanni de Carlo aka "The Flute Keeper"
Post by: TimberlineWarrior on May 06, 2010, 02:35:06 pm
I checked with a friend of mine that used to make tipis and showed him those photos. He thought hysterical using a battery drill to fix the tipi. He wondered why, was it to keep the cover in place or hold the poles together?
Either way he showed me some photos that proved the construction was totally wrong in the order the poles were placed, the construction looks like a true cone, not leaning back, which means the cover is cut and made wrong. His final comment was he'd not like to enter that tipi as it didn't look as if there was a rope around the poles before the cover went on! Either way a fake tipi for a shameon.

^. .^
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee aka Giovanni de Carlo aka "The Flute Keeper"
Post by: Elke on May 06, 2010, 07:43:53 pm
oh- we had the case last week.. similar case: the guy didn't read the fuking manual  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I don' t know what he did, but it looks like he uses the battery drill for the ledder.... I don't know, why he has to go to the Crown of it... mhmmm... it looks like to make an easy thing difficult.
When I'm honest- I needed some times to build tipis up- but never the idea came to my mind, to go so high (you just have to reach the highest pin to close the cover....
I think, he didn't get the cover arround well and want to correct it- but why did he put in the poles for the ears first??? It is the last thing to do...
simply- I don't understand it, or the guy didn't read the manual!

And when something like this is the first time I did it-- and I just have pics like this about it... I don't know if it will be clever to put them in the web... especially when I call myself a shaman who learned my knowledge at the Huron-Dakota-Tribe  (maybe he missed this lesson or was at that time with the huron people)...sorry, just what came to my mind when I saw it...
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee aka Giovanni de Carlo aka "The Flute Keeper"
Post by: Elke on May 06, 2010, 07:50:56 pm
I took a look at the pics again... these wasn't the poles for the ears-- he didn't check that he has to put the cover to the poles with one pole where the cover is fixed on... he took both poles to get the cover high and thats why he climbs so high-he wants to arrange everything.....

o gosh--- please read the manual before when you buy your next coffee machine- otherwise-maybe nothing usable will ever be the result...mhmmm...
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee aka Giovanni de Carlo aka "The Flute Keeper"
Post by: Elke on March 12, 2011, 08:49:22 am
For everybody who wondered why it became so silent...

I just can shake my head and wonder.....

Same guy but now as Aztec

I'm so sad! Can't be true....
The world is so strange.

http://www.ursa-maior.ch/
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee aka Giovanni de Carlo aka "The Flute Keeper"
Post by: Ingeborg on March 13, 2011, 10:45:59 pm


About November 2010, I noticed some drastic changes effected to Senor de Carlo's website:

http://www.gilamusic.com/

Quote
in memory of Tdom Bah (1954-2010) . . . .
There is no death. . .
Only a change of worlds. . .
Only a change of worlds. . . . .
In the end I think of music as a saving grace for all humanity. As the universal language it transcends the boundaries of nationality, social strata, and political ideology. Whether we are educated or uneducated, rich or poor, whether we speak the same tongue or not, we still possess the ability to communicate our feelings to one another though music. The world would be a terrible place without it, a miserable place.
Henry Miller (Reflections)


Crafts made by Gio - The Flute Keeper -de Carlo would still be offered until the last item is sold.
A few Cedar Flutes and Cigar Box Guitars can be ordered in this website - please send us an e-mail and we will get back to you with a list and pictures of craft items available.
The Music of the Flute Keeper can be found at CDBABY and many other web links (Napster, I tunes, etc.)
Some of his non - on line CDs and DVDs (How to play Flute DVD, Camp Music, etc.) can still be ordered by means of this web site.
This site is run my JF until further notice. Orders of crafts and others would be handled by JF Native Events DE.


I wondered why none of the true fans were shedding even as much as one tear for him anywhere on the internet.
Now, don't worry, I'm not being disrespectful before fate, or a sudden and probably premature death. No, sing and rejoice, a miraculous resurrection happened!

A regional German paper carried this article as of January 31, 2011:
http://www.zak.de/artikel/mobile/102075

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Indian way of lfe
Introduction to Indian music and dances for people of all ages
Balingen, Jan 31, 2011 by Andreas Westerhausen
         
The place was filled with interested persons of all ages. They were given an introduction into Indian music by Tdom Bah of the Kiowa tribe and into Indian dances by Benny Auer and Jackie Fischer. The children were allowed to drum and to practice Round Dance.

There were also several possibilities to do crafts waiting for the children. With instructions given by Barbara Kladen – Indian name „Feather Spirit Woman“ - and Tdom Bah, they were able to do their own Indian flutes, hand drums, mini tipis, and dream catchers. At the same time, guests had the possibility to visit the exhibition „Buffalo Hunters – North American fauna and North American Natives“.

If you have a look at the article, you'll see two photos. The second one shows Senor de Carlo in his „Tdom Bah“ outfit – but he's grown a beard and got a haircut. Miracles over miracles. So Senor de Carlo aka Tdom Bah apparently has the ability to participate in an event some three months after his demise without causing a panic among spectators.

But perhaps this is not so much a miracle. His partner Jackie Fischer adjusted her site announcing she will organize events with a Mexican person by the name of „El Abuelo Koli“ who is a flute player, author of books, and maker of instruments. Now doesn't this sound familiar?
The name gets explained as 'el abuelo' meaning 'grandfather' in Spanish, while 'koli' is said to be Nahuatl for, well, grandfather. This is almost true as research on different language sites indicates that koli seems more in the way of elder than an actual grandfather.
 
The alleged Mexican grandfather and Ms Fischer will organize seminars on 2012:

http://www.schamanismus.ws/koli-abuelo

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Author, musician and maker of instruments from Mexico, Koli spent many years researching the ancient ways of life of the American peoples with an emphasis on the culture of the Aztecs, Olmeks, and Mayas and has gathered much information regarding the events in 2012.

So Senor de Carlo's business has seen an expansion which clearly means to appeal to nuagers. Consequently, his most recent events were/are organized and promoted by nuagers, as e.g. this one:

http://cms.kelheim.de/Aktuelles/Veranstaltungen/Veranstaltungsdetails/tabid/1502/ItemId/686286/language/de-DE/Default.aspx

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A day with Koli Abuelo in Kelheim
Workshop: Do your own „Native American Flute“
Seminar: 2012 Maya Calendar etc
Concert: Relaxing melodies, played on ancient indigenous instruments
March 6, 2011
[…] Hotel, Kelheim
Time: 10 a.m. to 1 p.m.
Workshop: Native American Flute (Indian cedar flutes)
Instructed by Koli, an author, musician, and maker of instruments from Jalisco/Mexico, participants will learn how to do their own „Native American Flute“ and how to play it. In a three-hours' workshop, Koli will explain step by step so that every participant will succeed in having made their own Native American Flute in the end.

Workshop, Seminar and Concert:
Fee: € 200 per person
Concert: € 22 per person

The seminar was announced this way:
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2.30 p.m. - 5 p.m.
Seminar – Maya predictions for the year 2012

The seminar will concentrate on the analysis and discussion of what people have heard about the Maya predictions regarding the end of times in the year 2012 and what these really mean, as well as further predictions, also from other cultures.

Koli from Mexico, and expert in this field, will then direct an open roundtable in which participants may exchange opinions regarding these events and discuss them. Koli spent many years researching the ancient ways of life of the American peoples with an emphasis on Aztec, Olmec and Maya culture and has gathered much information regarding the events in 2012. Will this mean the end of the world or are we in a changing world which will start a new era?

The event was organized and promoted by this lady:

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Registration:
White Buffalo Woman
Viola Flambe
Tel: 0160-5993xxx
www.dieweissebüffelfrau.de

The lady happens to be a 'shaman' selling ceremonies like sweats and vision quests. What's worse, she also cooperates with William Jervis aka Firewalker – she's in the videos Jervis published about him and a lady singing and drumming in a pond. Ahem.

Ms Flambé organized a weekend seminar with Jervis in August 2010:
http://www.kollektiv.org/videos/play/106/two/0
 

The photo on the left shows Senor de Carlo in his new outfit with Ms Flambé:
http://www.koli-abuelo.com/workshops.html

De Carlo will do another event in Switzerland:

http://www.ursa-maior.ch/

This will be de Carlo's usual mix, a workshop for doing a flute and a concert, plus his latest fad with a seminar on Maya predcitions.
Then there's this, too:

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From garbage to music, Saturday, April 30, 2011:
For children and families, we learn how to produce an instrument from material to be found around the house and would make their way into the trash can otherwise.

The site, too, is maintained by a Swiss nuager and shaman.

De Carlo meanwhile produced a website, a blog and is to be found on facebook in his newest incarnation of 'Koli Abuelo', like e.g.:

http://www.koli-abuelo.com/
 
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The Performer, The Crafter, The Writer.

Senor de Carlo is also advertising his 2012 seminars on esoteric websites, e.g.:

http://www.esotericonline.net/events/3204576:Event:94700

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Time: January 20, 2011 at 6pm to March 31, 2014 at 7pm
Location: EU
Website or Map: http://www.koli-abuelo.com
Event Type: 2012
Organized By: Abuelo Koli
Latest Activity: Jan 20

Dear Paul:
My name is Koli and I have been invited to participate in a seminar in Germany relating the events of the Mayas for 2012.
I am looking for people who may be interested in having me over to have other seminars while in Europe (I am form Mexico) and you can read a little about me in my site koli-abuelo.com
I would be in Germany and it is not a problem to travel in the EU.
I also include in the seminar a concert with music from the prehispanic times of the Mexican people (teponztle, flutes, rattles, ocarinas, etc)
I am not a shaman and I dont pretend to be an expert in anything, just another scholar who has taken the time to gather information and a very open view of the events that can take place in 2012
Thank you
LAAC

Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee aka Giovanni de Carlo aka "The Flute Keeper"
Post by: Camilla on March 14, 2011, 08:45:34 am
Just one thing: the name Giovanni De Carlo (Giovanni written with the two "n's") could be only Italian. Spanish would be something like Juan, English would be John, French would be Jean....but Giovanni is only perfectly Italian.
Also the family name is very common in Italy.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee aka Giovanni de Carlo aka "The Flute Keeper"
Post by: Camilla on March 14, 2011, 08:51:52 am
They say that there are around 20 millions of Italians in Argentina, descendant of those who about 70, 80 years ago migrated from Italy.
The migration from Italy to Argentina was really huge: Italians are the first "ethnic group" of Argentina, and are the 50 % of the population. So a Mr. Giovanni de Carlo claiming to be from Argentina is very probably Italian.
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee aka Giovanni de Carlo aka "The Flute Keeper"
Post by: educatedindian on May 13, 2011, 01:40:38 pm
But perhaps this is not so much a miracle. His partner Jackie Fischer adjusted her site announcing she will organize events with a Mexican person by the name of „El Abuelo Koli“ who is a flute player, author of books, and maker of instruments. Now doesn't this sound familiar?
The name gets explained as 'el abuelo' meaning 'grandfather' in Spanish, while 'koli' is said to be Nahuatl for, well, grandfather. This is almost true as research on different language sites indicates that koli seems more in the way of elder than an actual grandfather.
 
The alleged Mexican grandfather and Ms Fischer will organize seminars on 2012:

http://www.schamanismus.ws/koli-abuelo

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Author, musician and maker of instruments from Mexico, Koli spent many years researching the ancient ways of life of the American peoples with an emphasis on the culture of the Aztecs, Olmeks, and Mayas and has gathered much information regarding the events in 2012.

So Senor de Carlo's business has seen an expansion which clearly means to appeal to nuagers. Consequently, his most recent events were/are organized and promoted by nuagers, as e.g. this one:

http://cms.kelheim.de/Aktuelles/Veranstaltungen/Veranstaltungsdetails/tabid/1502/ItemId/686286/language/de-DE/Default.aspx

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A day with Koli Abuelo in Kelheim
Workshop: Do your own „Native American Flute“
Seminar: 2012 Maya Calendar etc
Concert: Relaxing melodies, played on ancient indigenous instruments
March 6, 2011
[…] Hotel, Kelheim
Time: 10 a.m. to 1 p.m.
Workshop: Native American Flute (Indian cedar flutes)
Instructed by Koli, an author, musician, and maker of instruments from Jalisco/Mexico, participants will learn how to do their own „Native American Flute“ and how to play it. In a three-hours' workshop, Koli will explain step by step so that every participant will succeed in having made their own Native American Flute in the end.

Workshop, Seminar and Concert:
Fee: € 200 per person
Concert: € 22 per person

The seminar was announced this way:
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2.30 p.m. - 5 p.m.
Seminar – Maya predictions for the year 2012

The seminar will concentrate on the analysis and discussion of what people have heard about the Maya predictions regarding the end of times in the year 2012 and what these really mean, as well as further predictions, also from other cultures.

Koli from Mexico, and expert in this field, will then direct an open roundtable in which participants may exchange opinions regarding these events and discuss them. Koli spent many years researching the ancient ways of life of the American peoples with an emphasis on Aztec, Olmec and Maya culture and has gathered much information regarding the events in 2012. Will this mean the end of the world or are we in a changing world which will start a new era?

....

De Carlo meanwhile produced a website, a blog and is to be found on facebook in his newest incarnation of 'Koli Abuelo', like e.g.:

http://www.koli-abuelo.com/
 
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The Performer, The Crafter, The Writer.

Senor de Carlo is also advertising his 2012 seminars on esoteric websites, e.g.:

http://www.esotericonline.net/events/3204576:Event:94700

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Time: January 20, 2011 at 6pm to March 31, 2014 at 7pm
Location: EU
Website or Map: http://www.koli-abuelo.com
Event Type: 2012
Organized By: Abuelo Koli
Latest Activity: Jan 20

Dear Paul:
My name is Koli and I have been invited to participate in a seminar in Germany relating the events of the Mayas for 2012.
I am looking for people who may be interested in having me over to have other seminars while in Europe (I am form Mexico) and you can read a little about me in my site koli-abuelo.com
I would be in Germany and it is not a problem to travel in the EU.
I also include in the seminar a concert with music from the prehispanic times of the Mexican people (teponztle, flutes, rattles, ocarinas, etc)
I am not a shaman and I dont pretend to be an expert in anything, just another scholar who has taken the time to gather information and a very open view of the events that can take place in 2012
Thank you
LAAC


Received a message from Luis Alfonso/Koli. He says that DeCarlo and the promoter made false claims about who and what he is. He descibes himself as a Mexican of Spanish ancestry who does some teaching and instrument making but who never presents himself as an expert. He even has done some speeches where he warns people about frauds. Bolding below is mine.

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Dear sir/mam
I have received a link to a page in your site that mentions my name and that I am in some way related to another person.
link: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=421a52560c66960fda2d544d2884a330&topic=1984.95;wap2

My name is Luis Alfonso Alba and have taken the name Koli (old person, grandfather or elder as you may want to translate) due to the fact that I have reached the elders age in our traditional ways.

I am a Mexican born and raised in Lagos de Moreno Jalisco where me and my whole family resides and have been doing so for the last 100 years.
My Family is from Spanish background who arrived in America over 400 years ago and have mixed in different ways with local people of Zacatecas and Jalisco.

Recently I was invited by a promoter in Germany to travel there and do some work with my crafts and my music as well as with my lectures of some of the books I have worked on. At that time I was invited to fill in for another person who could not make the engagement and then on to the presentation I did for the same promoter.

For what I read (and had translated for me just like I am asking a friend here in Lagos to translate this mail) it seems that this page is mixing me with another person and somehow implying that I am this other person.

The facts are:
I am a Mexican and have been since I was born.
I have travel a little in my life but due to my income and my lack of property I cant not get a Visa to travel or to visit the EEUU
I am a teacher and a crafter here in my home town of Jalisco and have lived here for the past 35 years while living also in Guadalajara and Xalapa Mexico and never outside of my own country for more than few months.
You can ask anyone in town wher I live and they will direct you to my house. Been there for the past 50 years and my grandparents before me and now me and my mother live there.

My special skills are:
Teacher of ancient history
Making handmade instruments for children (at the local art school and others in other cities)
I make Teponaztles, Ocarinas and Flutes and play Guitar Banjo in an Spanish Flamenco Style - do a little of mixing with North American Flute during my shows but it is not my main instrument and do not call myself an expert in any of them.
I learned to make North Amreican Flutes but I do not claim to be a North American Flute Player (wish I could play as good as some of them players....)
I am not from Argentina and never have had the opportunity of visiting that country.

I have been invited to do other presentations regarding the events of 2012 but again just as a mediator.
I do corporate work talking about shamans and how some use cold reading and such to sell their so called skills to poor people and to people who believes in them. (like you would say Fakes).

Please have someone contact me to answer your questions and to ask the person who has placed the information to clarify (and to remove my name and do not mix me with others).
Sincerely
Luis Alfonso
Koli
Title: Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee aka Giovanni de Carlo aka "The Flute Keeper"
Post by: Ingeborg on December 06, 2013, 04:24:34 pm

The internet does have an effin good memory - and it often manages to produce a surprise or two...

Now, although we were supposed to shed a tear for Senor de Carlo who said he passed away in 2010, he showed up at an event in January 2011.

However, this was not the last time Senor de Carlo was able to perform months after his demise:

http://www.weser-kurier.de/region/diepholz_artikel,-Supercool-_arid,168782.html

This is a report about an Oktoberfest in the town of Bassum, dated 10/10/2011 (Bassum is a small town in the North of Germany, south of Bremen). The article contains the following paragraph:

"One attraction in Sulinger Strasse was Tdom Bah with his booth who, among other goods, sold guitars made from cigar boxes and okarinas (Mexican flutes made from clay. Tdom Bah is a Kiowa Indian and comes from Oklahoma. The contact was made via the Maverick Lines Dancers who performed in the city centre during the afternoon."

It seems that Senor de Carlo, either as a fake Kiowa or a fake Aztec teaching Maya beliefs, was rather out of business in 2012 and 2013.