Objects to Claims of LittleSoldier
BY NORA THOMPSON DEAN
WASSAJA Newspaper March, 1978 Voice of the Indian
I have received a copy of the December issue of Wassaja and would like to share my thoughts with the readers. Reference is made particularly to an article titled The Hidden Nation, by Chief Little Soldier. Chief Little Soldier is not an Indian of any degree, but rather a whiteman, of a hippie type, who has a commune in Colorado consisting of other nonIndians who follow his distorted teachings of how the Delawares lived. I do not usually speak out against people, but when someone is using the good name of my people to further his or her own interests, then I must speak. Some facts: It was about three or four years ago that this Little Soldier first showed up here in Oklahoma. He was at that time claiming to be descended from some Canadian Delawares, and that he had just severed his ties with a group calling themselves the Shawnee Nation Remnant Band. He was fantastically garbed, and with his red hair and blue eyes I could hardly think him any Indian. He then left, only to return several months later at the Pawnee Powwow with some people named Willmert (nonIndians) who had driven him down from Colorado. We found out from these people that Little Soldier had been saying that the older Delawares here had asked him to usurp the tribal chairmen of the two Delaware groups in Oklahoma and to become our great tribal chief. When we told them the truth, they left, taking him along. The next we heard, he was back in this area doing some research at the local history room of the Bartlesville Library, where there is a voluminous amount of information on the Delaware people. According to the curator, Little Soldier seemed to be looking for someone who had died without any children being listed. And thus he settled on Elahtut (his article, col. 3) This was his error, for although the rolls did not show any children for Elahtut, his sister did have children, and what Little Soldier could not have known is that my husband's mother's brother married the sister of Elahtut, so we know all about him. And all of Elahtut's nieces and nephews found Little Soldier's story very amusing. To begin with, Elahtut is not a Munsee Name. Secondly, he never went East as he declares. He also states in the article that the Munsees were patrilineal, but since they are a kindred tribe to the Delawares, I would greatly doubt that. He also implies that one 'chief' named Pimoacan passed his name on the child and then grandchild, a thing that is strictly against our naming beliefs. There are many full-blood Delawares in Little Soldier's group as he says, because as we learned from the Willmerts, when he adopts anyone into the tribe by the ancient ceremony (for which they all strip), he then gives them a rubdown with earth and water!) they come out a fullblood Delaware! Other people's comments about Little Soldier: ". . . concerning Billy (Lee) LittleSoldier who claims to be a chief of the Muncie-Thames River Delaware Indian ... Little Soldier, also known as Ricci Bungard (his group) is not a federally recognized tribe, band, or community of American Indians. The BIA has no relationship with the group. In fact, we have no records relating to the MunseeThames River Delaware Indians of Security, Colorado." (From Mitchell Bush of the Bureau of Indian Affairs, 3 Feb. 1977) (I had written to him to find out why the man called Little Soldier was able to obtain a feather permit for eagle feathers, as this is supposed to be only for our Indian people, and requires a proof of Indian blood from the BIA, which apparently was not furnished by them. So how was he able to get a permit, of which I have a copy?) From a museum curator in Pennsylvania: "I met Billy Little Soldier last year ... and he kept looking for handouts and donations. He later tried to con me into believing that you were just another Lenape interfering with Federal money destined for his people. He wanted me to help finance a five-acre tract of land in upstate New York." From a part Lenape in New Jersey: "I got a notice for the meeting. Billy will be reinstating people into the Delaware Nation for $22.42. The fee will cover the ceremony, sweat lodge, travel costs, gifts, postage, and general expenses. He also told me that when he was a medicine man he performed a sweat lodge in a shower. He also said that he made five women pregnant in a ceremony designed to keep the Delaware people from dying out. Of more recent happenings, from one young man we heard that Little Soldier had applied to a church group in Kansas for a grant to help, his people, and was about to get about $20,000 when this young man got wind of it and set the church group straight on Little Soldier. Just last fall, we heard from the tribal chairman of the Delawares of Western Oklahoma that Little Soldier had applied for a large grant to build and run a Delaware Museum in Colorado and used Lawrence Snake's name as backer and.. one who approved of the idea. The main reason for writing all this is to let Wassaja know about the man. We Indian people have enough problems to solve and enough financial worries, without having money destined for us taken by people such as Ricci Bungard. I hope future letters from him will get the attention they deserve.
WOW....you have my apologies...I'll remove your last name...and the spelling was not my handywork...lenses in or not at the time :-[He will be hard to stop, I still trying to figure out how he did get a Eagle feather permit after all. He has about 30 members give or take and some diehard supporters. Knowing and exposing him as a fraud is one thing, that's been done, taking him down is another. As I said earlier you need something substantial . I am sure NanticokePiney knows him.
I only passed on what was sent to me...when I tried to respond to the email...it came back as being an inactive account...but I posted it here as we've heard of this guy in a round about way in our office....the more I read...the worse it gets...and I merely wanted to get others opinions on this...and also to see what other info was out there...this guy needs to be stopped.
WOW....you have my apologies...I'll remove your last name...and the spelling was not my handywork...lenses in or not at the time :-[
I only passed on what was sent to me...when I tried to respond to the email...it came back as being an inactive account...but I posted it here as we've heard of this guy in a round about way in our office....the more I read...the worse it gets...and I merely wanted to get others opinions on this...and also to see what other info was out there...this guy needs to be stopped.
Hey I appreciate you taking the name off.I just clicked on the properties of the documents and photos you posted it's kind of obvious who the source is.
9:30 AM: I ran the 'chief's' name by my contact with the Ky. Native American Resource Center, the group who made the exposure of the fake David 2 Bears possible. The ol' Chief was not known by my resource so he is not cutting a wide swathe to the South anyway. When I mentioned he might be in possession of Eagle feathers, she said they had confiscated some Eagle feathers at a flea market 2 years ago. They are small in number but seem to pack a pretty good punch. If anyone can get some good verification of this blue eyed anglo holding Eagle feathers I imagine this Louisville outfit would go after him pretty strong.
Eagle feathers play an important role in all traditional Native American ceremonies. This is the tribe's ceremonial feather with the straight bead weave and elk fringe, made by Princess Manitsah. Feather given to Chief Little Soldier by Turtle Clan Chief "Double Knife".
Hey cool a thread for me. I'm that Cindy. No sorry that isn't true, this has been tried before. If you reference some threads at AITF you'll see I'm far from a supporter of LittleSoldiers.
Oh my screenname there is One who knows. Why did I change it? Well when I chose it I did it for a reason, then over the years it really got old.
MDIN-USA to sue Ohio gov?
http://forum.americanindiantribe.com/viewtopic.php?t=2189
Oh and those docs you have up here are originally mine, scanned right on my own computer. Right down to the pen marks I put on that one to point out those paragraphs. That's cool though as long as they're out there.
One more thing I have young children at home, I'd appreciate it if you'd take my/their last name off this post...even though you did spell it wrong. Thanks!
He's real small fish compared to some of the PA groups though. Lenape Nation P.A. and the EDN has done far worse when it comes to ripping off people for money and
-maybe some info is best relayed via private message, aside from the Eagle feather(s) issue, if it can be used to nail him with
This had nothing to do with LS. This had everything to do with a duck and run. If you don't care to even look into what I've said, that's fine. You all have people here that start drama, and believe me I'm not one of them. I only joined to see if I could help.
QuoteThis had nothing to do with LS. This had everything to do with a duck and run. If you don't care to even look into what I've said, that's fine. You all have people here that start drama, and believe me I'm not one of them. I only joined to see if I could help.
Which is why I posted this here...not to 'duck and run'....but to gain info on Little Soldier and to try...with the help of many...to do something about him...which is the nature of this forum...or perhaps Im mistaken.
LOL MP, I think the bottom line is that it is already a work in progress, and has been tried without any results. The fish is not big enough nor worth the money and effort, work it would take for a trial or whatever they would decided to do if anything.
I think the point that needs to be made is this. Isn't it just as bad for someone to spread misinformation, half-truths, and lies as it is to start a fake tribe? How is somedudenohio/beaderman/TheRebel any better than Billy Bungard/Little Soldier?I agree with you BLS one is as bad as the other. That's why we try, doesn't always work, to keep the personal stuff out of the forum. The purpose here is exposure and educational. People have to make up their own mind who to follow. Research Needed is a beginning, it has to be moved to Frauds, can't be started there.. Let's keep the thread to the topic. If you need to start a new one with a different subject do so. But it's not a free for all, you need statement of fact. Cause I can only guess what someone knows. That's not fact. Please keep it to the purpose of the forum.
Well, I don't see how you posted this about LS. Would you care to respond about your sources?
I think your motives are clear, JMO. Do you mind responding about sharing your log in info with this person?
It's obvious Tsisqua didn't start this thread with the intent to expose a fraud. Or maybe she did.
Somedudenohio aka beaderman aka TheRebel . . . only three of the many aliases this guy uses. He's had a personal vendetta against One Who Knows/tree hugger for years. He's tried to discredit her on other forums. That was his sole intent when he sent these documents to Tsisqua along with the information about "this woman" who was helping Little Soldier. Was he playing Tsisqua? Or was she a willing participant? I don't know.
For Tsisqua to post here on NAFPS that it was an "anonymous" informant was a blatant lie. A right click on the documents tells you where they came from. A google of somedudenohio pulls up all kinds of information. The fact that both Al's and frederica's posts were ignored makes me wonder, too.
But she says she doesn't know who somedudenohio is? Maybe she knows him by another name.
Isn't it just as bad for someone to spread misinformation, half-truths, and lies as it is to start a fake tribe? How is somedudenohio/beaderman/TheRebel any better than Billy Bungard/Little Soldier?
Again...the name was not a name we knew...we know this person as Beaderman, The Rebel and Lee.
tree hugger i would not send out a copy of the cert. because that is probley where he got his a (copy) of someone elses
plus that is a federal cert can not be copyed of transmited in any form
you put your self a risk of loosing yours!
tree hugger i would not send out a copy of the cert. because that is probley where he got his a (copy) of someone elses
plus that is a federal cert can not be copyed of transmited in any form
you put your self a risk of loosing yours!