Author Topic: Mary Grimes, Michael Hull, Pilamaye  (Read 9895 times)

Offline educatedindian

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Mary Grimes, Michael Hull, Pilamaye
« on: July 05, 2005, 12:11:19 pm »
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:14:07 -0000
Subject: [nafps] "Pilamaye", Michael Hull

Ale already knows what I think of the 'Pilamaye" site. For some reason, the message I tried to post to NAFPS went direct to him.

The site seems to be run by Michael Hull, husband of "Mary Thunder", the hallucinating white woman who talks to aliens, crystal skulls, and supposedly white buffalos while she's undergoing surgery.

Hull is a white laywer who calls himself a "chief" and minister in Thunder's "Blue Star Church".  

They are running a fake Sun Dance near Austin. I know about the site they've chosen, it's a hang out for well to do yuppies.

He's also apparently endorsed by frauds like Jamie Samms. I don't know about the claims that Crow Dog endorses him. Charles Chipps supposedly endorses him, but has been himself accused in the past of associating with some pretty shady characters.

Hull has been hitting the colleges, taking taxpayer money for speaking. I know he hit San Antonio College about two years ago, and
this college too. Here's how the local NDN community reacted to him:

Hull is the worst sort of hypocrite, and doesn't follow a single part of the code of conduct on his site, outside of perhaps not sexually abusing his followers. He even has the nerve to lecture people about not abusing, when he himself is one:

Some more frauds they associate with. I don't know if the claim Crow Dog was there is truthful, or if true, why he showed such poor judgement.

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Re: Mary Grimes, Michael Hull, Pilamaye
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2005, 12:13:13 pm »
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:44:05 -0400
Subject: RE: [nafps] "Pilamaye", Michael Hull, ID changes, snafhoo problems

Unfortunately, the claim about Crow Dog being there is truthful.  Leonard, who is my cousin, called me from the Thunder Horse Ranch (that's what the caller ID showed, too) to tell me to take Mary Thunderthighs off the Wanabi Tribe Home Page...I figure he got some major bucks off her.  I politely declined (I asked him if he'd ever done anything anybody else "ordered" him to do, and he reluctantly admitted he hadn't).

Hey, everybody makes mistakes, but I have a feeling that Leonard keeps making this one...but nobody's perfect, enit?


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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:42:28 -0000
Subject: [nafps] Re: "Pilamaye", Michael Hull,

I believe that Mary Thunder's husband is actually Jeffrey (Horse) Hubbel. Hull may be an associate of theirs tho.