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Debunking Alleged "Crystal Skulls"
educatedindian:
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:41:26 -0000
Subject: [newagefraudsplastichshamans] Re: Curvey the Oracle Skull plays Truth or Dare
--- In newagefraudsplastichshamans@yahoogroups.com, "barnaby_mcewan"
<barnaby_mcewan@y...> wrote:
> --- In newagefraudsplastichshamans@yahoogroups.com, Peter Webster
> <peterweb@b...> wrote:
> > I spent two hours last night, cruising around the site and> > just scratched the surface.
> >
> >
> > http://skepdic.com/crystalskull.html
> >
> > Skinny Butt
>
> A couple of other good ones:
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/badscience/
>
> Not encyclopaedic; brief but pithy items, a new one every Thursday.
>
> http://www.quackwatch.org/
>
> This is encyclopaedic, with a capital E.
>
> http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/
twofeathers.html
>
> I bet William Two Feather will be pissed that he didn't think of that.
I recently emailed Quackwatch telling them it might be of interest to them that these various scam artists selling "traditional Native methods" aren't really Indian. Hell, one element of Lakota medicine is the idea that diseases are caused by animals too small to be seen. Of course, that's so close to mainstream medicine that few altmedders
will deal with it. ;) These are the same people who advocate the principle that like cures like but say vaccines cause autism. (It takes a special kind of scum to risk the lives of small children as
part of a scam.)
educatedindian:
mibbyagain" <mibbyagain@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 16:34:13 -0000
Subject: [newagefraudsplastichshamans] Re: Curvey the Oracle Skull plays Truth or Dare
Innewagefraudsplastichshamans@yahoogroups.com, "educatedndn" <bigi_again@y...> wrote:
>newagefraudsplastichshamans@yahoogroups.com, "astronomy_gal"
> <astronomy_gal@y...> wrote:
> > --- In newagefraudsplastichshamans@yahoogroups.com, "mibbyagain"
> > <mibbyagain@y...> wrote:
> > > Here's a good description of the whole crystal skull phenomenon
> in > > New
> > > Age:http://skepdic.com/crystalskull.htm
> >
> > Here's a link on the 13 crystal skulls mentioned next door. It > > mentions American Indians so I post it here for further info. It > > gets really far out LOL
> >
http://groups.msn.com/StarChildren/the13crystalskulls.msnw
> > http://www.bryandeflores.com/crystalskulls.html
> >
http://www.mysteriousamerica.net/interviewwithjos.html
> Shapiro's credibility is shot, he promotes frauds like Harley and > Jamie Samms.
>
> "Editor: I once read that a Cherokee medicine man reportedly told a > legend of how when twelve talking quartz crystals were brought
> together, then important messages would be conveyed. Ever hear of > anything similar?
>
> Joshua Shapiro: The Cherokee medicine man you are referring to is > known as Harley Swiftdeer. At the time of your interview, I am in correspondence with him to investigate the information that is
> discussed about such a circle of crystal skulls (not clear if the > number is twelve or thirteen). I have heard about his information > before during my travels and there is an interview with him in the
> crystal skull book written by Morton and Thomas. He has describes > these particular skulls as the Talking Skulls and that each one came from a human-type world of which the Earth was one of these.
> Swiftdeer claims this legend has been handed down by the elders of the Twisted Hairs, a Medicine Society which have representatives
> from hundreds of different indigenous tribes.
Err . . . ? What is it? Like the Holy UN?
> There are two other sources I have encountered discussing a similar story or legend which we refer to in our new book. Both of these sources say this legend (or oral tradition) speaks about a set of 13
> Crystal Skulls that are known to the Native American in North America. These crystal skulls are referred to as the Grandmothers or Clan Mothers (Jamie Sams discussed this in one of her books"
Harley and Jamie AGAIN! These fakes are more incestuous than, well, Harley's story of his elder male relatives teaching him to masturbate.
educatedindian:
educatedndn" <bigi_again@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:59:59 -0000
Subject: [newagefraudsplastichshamans] Mary Thunderthighs 70s TV Show Wisdom
--- In newagefraudsplastichshamans@yahoogroups.com, "E Bryant Holman" <bryanth@p...> wrote:
> JoAnn, Max, and Mary Thunder
>
http://www.marythunder.com/CrystalSkulls/MaxTheCrystalSkull/MaryThunderMaxTheCrystalSkull.htm
> JoAnn and Max seem to have one thing that is very much a part of their overall theme - the connection to Native Americans. They try to
milk that aspect for all that it is worth, and I really think that JoAnn is, in spite of her protests, raking in a pretty good chunk of cash with all of this.
That article by Thunderthighs is pretty hilarious, though unintentionally. She gets all ofher "wisdom" from imitating old TV shows.
"Phone rings again & yes, it was Suzanne. She shared what had happened, At this point I surrendered. As I was hanging up the telephone & resuming my place on the couch as I watched the
show...Kung Fu, I heard: In this imperfect world perfection is an illusion. Thus, our judgements are illusions because they have no basis. Pretty interesting...."
You must grab the pebble out of my hand, grasshopper...
"She told me the story of Max, how she had gotten him & how long he had been in the closet. Then she said, "Hey, you haven't spent any time with Max." Well, I asked if it would be possible to bring in the sacred pipe? Joanne thought for a minute & said, "Why Not, Let's do Ceremony." So, we brought in the sacred Pipe & Drum...."
Come on everybody, let's sing a song
Come on get happy!
(Partridge Family Theme)
educatedindian:
E Bryant Holman" <bryanth@presidiotex.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:34:49 -0500
Subject: [newagefraudsplastichshamans] Re: Curvey the Oracle Skull plays Truth or Dare
<<From: "mibbyagain" <mibbyagain@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:16 pm
Subject: Re: Curvey the Oracle Skull plays Truth or Dare
You'll have to tell me more about this name confusion.>>
------- ------- -------
Okay, here is the situation. I may be wrong about Ravenia the kinky internet dominatrix
http://www.ladyravenia.com/ being the same person as Ravenia the crystalskull matrix monger http://www.thoughtandmemory.com/collection1.htm
But when you look up the name "Ravenia" in a search engine, that is what you get - there two (or is it one?) person(s). http://www.zapatistas.org/ravenia.gif
I thought there was a strong passivity that they were the same person, based on certain features of the faces, but now I am having my doubts. In any event, I think one of them is in Texas and the other in California.
But, in order to not stretch myself to thin, I want to focus on the Texas skull http://www.click2houston.com/news/1762331/detail.html
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/maxcs.html
Max, the crystal skull who is part of this dog and pony show that this Texas woman puts on for new agers, is connected with this character who called
himself "Norbu Chen", but in a lawsuit which he and his organization, The Chakpouri Ling Foundation, lost out to California lawyer Ford Greene representing HARLA ANN SIMON in a lawsuit that alleged such things as the coercion of sexual favors by way of Chen (or Chan) being Simon's guru and supposedly having the rights to that sort of thing. He also conned her into
signing over her inheritance to her, and a lot of other acts which some of them are even more despicable than these. JoAnn, however, due to the
meddling of a person whose name I am not going to mention anymore, actually contacted me and claimed that the Norbu Chen (or Chan) who lost this lawsuit is not the same one whom she knew! So there we have a claim that there must
have been two guys with the same name AND having the same name for their organizations "The Chakpouri Ling Foundation". But JoAnn assured me that this is a coincidence that could easily occur, since Norbu is a common Tibetan name! The weird thing about names, in this case, is that in one
report he will be "Chen", in another "Chan", and the Houston TV station that interviewed JoAnn spelled it "Chin".
Here is what Ford Greene, Esq., said about Norbu: "Chan was a charlatan, cult leader, compulsive liar and sexual predator. I prosecuted the attached lawsuit against Chakpori Ling Foundation. After three weeks of trial, they
settled."
A copy of the lawsuit was already posted here earlier by Al.
Here are some more details about "Max"
JoAnn Parks cites God himself in this note to her admirers:
*******
PERSONAL MESSAGE FROM JOANN PARKS
We feel "MAX" will continue to be a Joy and Inspiration to many thousands of people to come, that he has been exposed to us at this time to Mankind for a particular purpose, and that purpose is only just beginning to be realized.
I am so thankful to God to be a part, in whatever small way that may be, to help us understand who we are and where we are going. God has given us many gifts and tools in many forms to help us along our own path of Truth. Is "MAX" simply a tool for us, given to help us along?
WE know "MAX" is special, and Carl and I think you for this opportunity to share "MAX" with you. We hope he leaves you with that special little
something which he does so well.
Always,
JoAnn & MAX
******
Spoof interview with Max
http://accessnewage.com/articles/humor/skull.htm
Max has a gig coming up! http://www.jodiserota.com/crystal_skulls_max.htm
JoAnn, Max, and Mary Thunder
http://www.marythunder.com/CrystalSkulls/MaxTheCrystalSkull/MaryThunderMaxTheCrystalSkull.htm
A former astronaut turned UFO and paranormal investigator gets to be buddies with Max's handlers http://www.uri-geller.com/mitchell1.htm
A very off the wall interview and article about Max
http://www.xenophilia.com/zb/zb0041.htm
JoAnn and Max seem to have one thing that is very much a part of their overall theme - the connection to Native Americans. They try to milk that aspect for all that it is worth, and I really think that JoAnn is, in spite of her protests, raking in a pretty good chunk of cash with all of this.
educatedindian:
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 23:03:25 -0000
Subject: [newagefraudsplastichshamans] Lawsuit Over Crystal Skull
Hey Bryant, why not cross post anything that seems interesting in
your group to this one as well? That'd esp include factual links or
docs like this one.
---
HUB LAW OFFICES
Ford Greene, Esquire
711 Sir Francis Drake Boulevard
San Anselmo, California 94960-1949
Telephone: (415) 258-0360
Attorney for Plaintiff
HARLA ANN SIMON
SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
IN AND FOR THE COUNTY OF SONOMA
HARLA ANN SIMON, an individual, ) No. 175898
)
Plaintiff, ) THIRD
AMENDED COMPLAINT FOR
) FOR
DAMAGES FOR FRAUD,
vs. )
INTENTIONAL INFLICTION
) OF
EMOTIONAL DISTRESS,
CHAKPORI-LING FOUNDATION, a ) NEGLIGENT INFLICTION
OF
not for profit Louisiana ) EMOTIONAL
DISTRESS,
corporation; CHAKPORI-LING ) BATTERY, NEGLIGENCE,
BREACH
FOUNDATION, INC., a not for ) OF STATUTORY DUTY TO
PAY
profit California corporation; ) WAGES AND OVERTIME,
KATHLEEN LYNCH, individually and ) CONVERSION, and
INVASION OF
as employee of Chakpori-Ling )
PRIVACY
Foundation and/or Chakpori-Ling )
Foundation, Inc.; )
and DOES 1 to 50, inclusive, )
)
Defendants. )
)
)
Pursuant to the Order of this Court, comes now plaintiff
HARLA ANN SIMON and submits her third amended complaint for damages
against the hereinafter named defendants, and each of them.
Therefore, plaintiff pleads her third amended complaint as follows:
///
///
///
GENERAL ALLEGATIONS
1. Plaintiff is a competent adult and a resident of the
County of Marin, State of California.
2. Defendant CHAKPORI-LING FOUNDATION is a not for
profit corporation organized in the State of Louisiana which is
doing business in the State of California primarily in the County of
Sonoma and taking advantage of California laws, rights and
privileges.
3. Defendant CHAKPORI-LING FOUNDATION, INC. is a not
for profit corporation organized in the State of California which is
doing business in the State of California and taking advantage of
California laws, rights and privileges and which has its principal
place of business in the Town of Forestville, County of Sonoma,
State of California.
4. NORBU CHAN ("CHAN") is the founder and controller of
CHAKPORI-LING FOUNDATION, INC., and CHAKPORI-LING FOUNDATION, and
in doing the acts herein alleged was acting both as the controller
of said entities and also as an individual.
5. At all times mentioned herein defendants CHAKPORI-
LING FOUNDATION, INC., and CHAKPORI-LING FOUNDATION, will be
referred to as the "charitable corporations."
6. Plaintiff is informed and believes and alleges
thereon that at all times mentioned herein there was such a unity of
interest and control between CHAN and said charitable corporations
that said corporations functioned as the alter ego of CHAN to the
extent that their separate corporate existence should be dispensed
with and that said corporations and CHAN should be treated as one.
7. At all times mentioned herein defendant KATHLEEN
LYNCH ("LYNCH") was an officer and employee of the charitable
corporations and in every act herein alleged was acting within the
scope and course of her employment by said charitable corporations.
8. At all times mentioned herein CHAN was licensed by
the California Board of Medical Quality Assurance as an
acupuncturist.
9. The true names and capacities of the defendants
named herein as DOES 1-50, inclusive, whether individual, corporate,
associate or otherwise, are unknown to plaintiff who therefore sues
such defendants by fictitious names pursuant to California Code of
Civil Procedure ?474. Plaintiff is informed and believes that Doe
defendants are California residents. Plaintiff will amend this
Complaint to show such true names and capacities when they have been
determined.
10. Plaintiff is informed, believes and thereby alleges
thereon that at all times mentioned herein each of the defendants
was the agent, employee, partner, coconspirator or representative of
the remaining defendants and was acting at least in part within the
course and scope of said relationship.
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