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Kai Pyle (KP) posted on Tumblr about the NAFPS thread. Screenshots of that Tumblr post are attached. KP listed three issues with the genealogy that's been posted here. I've responded to each of these issues below.

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Quotea) at least one ancestral line that was missed entirely

If KP is inferring the Sophia Douville line was left out accidentally, it wasn't. It was actually left out intentionally as only the genealogy necessary to verify KP's specific claims has been posted. This was clearly stated in my first post:

Quote from: Advanced Smite on March 27, 2026, 12:57:17 AMDisclaimer
All of this research was done using publicly available information. It is my opinion. There is a lack of clarity on some lines that could lead to a Native American ancestor. The purpose of this research was to verify KP's specific claims - not to find distant ancestry. Please forgive any typos - this was prepared quickly and I couldn't find spell check in the new forum format.

There are several Ancestry.com users that believe Sophia Douville's mother was Menominee. While that information would explain KP's tweet about an ancestor receiving annuity payments from the Treaty of Lake Poygan, it doesn't explain why:

- KP claims to be a Sault Ste Marie descendant through Mrs. Battise Plant.
- KP claims their paternal grandmother's mother was Red River Metis.

If Sophia Douville's mother was Menominee, it raises an even more interesting question - why does KP claim to be a Sault Ste Marie and Red River Metis descendant (see below) instead of Menominee?

QuoteAs a Red River Métis and Sault Ste. Marie Ojibwe descendant, I am also interested in how present-day queer, trans, and Two-Spirit Indigenous people make connections with these ancestral legacies.

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Source: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Direct Link: https://gws.wisc.edu/staff/pyle-kai/
Archive Link: https://archive.ph/CoHbQ

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Quoteb) another line that clearly shows my ancestors as Halfbreeds which has been deemed unreliable for unclear reasons

This is quite disingenuous. KP says the "line" was "deemed unreliable for unclear reasons" which isn't true. One type of record, the Wisconsin birth record, identifies KP's 3x great-grandfather and his siblings as half breeds. I called it an "anomaly" because other records reviewed identify KP's 3x great-grandfather AND his parents as "white."

I was completely transparent about the existence of this documentation and candid about not having an explanation.

I never said it was unreliable BUT it is one record.

I would never say someone isn't Native American based on their family being documented as "white" on one record. Conversely, I would never say someone is Sault Ste Marie or Red River Metis based on a 3x great-grandfather being identified as a "half breed" on one record.

There has to be more documentation than just the Wisconsin birth record that leads KP to believe their 3x great-grandfather, Alexander LaPlante, is Sault Ste Marie. What is it?

Quote from: Advanced Smite on March 27, 2026, 12:57:17 AMIn my opinion, there are reasons to question KP's claims. At the same time, I want to be clear that it's possible KP may have distant Native American (NA) ancestry. An anomaly in the documentation is that KP's 3x great-grandfather and his siblings are marked as half breeds on their Wisconsin birth records. I will provide one potential theory below. I want to be transparent up front about that information but emphasize there are big issues with KP's claims. KP has made very specific claims to being Sault Ste Marie and Metis on social media that don't appear to hold up to scrutiny.

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It's interesting that KP's 3x great-grandfather, Alexander LaPlante, and his siblings are listed as half breeds on their Wisconsin birth records when records from the previous generation don't seem to corroborate this. Alexander LaPlante's oldest sibling was born in 1835 while he was born in 1848. The 1836 Chippewa and Ottawa Treaty coincided with the birth of Alexander's older sister. $150,000 was negotiated by the tribes for their half breed family members. It was widely covered in the news and fraudulent applications were received. I checked the 1836 Half Breed Payment Roll (those accepted) and didn't find any of KP's ancestors. Some people have tried to link a "Catherine Brodwine" as Alexander's mother...but none of the demographic information matches. I can't definitively explain the birth record anomaly, but the timing is interesting. I'd love it if someone can provide a more definitive answer. The Litte Chute Historical Society has more information about this line: https://littlechutehistory.org/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I423802&tree=lc

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Quotec) some information which just does not match up with the info and documentation I have

If KP has additional documentation that supports their claims, I will gladly request a NAFPS moderator move this thread to "Non Frauds."

The prior uploaded clips for the Idaho name change did not survive, so here is the information:

Case Information

CV-NC-2005-22164 | In The Matter Of The Application of Robert Russell Cayc Jones For A Change Of Name

Case Number
CV-NC-2005-22164

Court
Ada County Magistrate Court

Judicial Officer
Bieter, Christopher M.

File Date
08/24/2005

Case Type
A7- Name Change


03/07/2006 was Order for Change of Name

(I believe "Cayc" = "Cayce".)

Many survivors of Redwolf Pope believe that he will always be a predator.

https://www.underscore.news/justice/redwolf-pope-survivors-reclaim-power-in-courtroom/

A survivor says she would not be surprised if there are hundreds of victims.

https://katv.com/criminally-obsessed/redwolf-pope-anne-emerson-priscilla-moreno-criminally-obsessed

At Youtube link you can access transcript too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9cEN25unGk&t=84s

Redwolf Pope is currently incarcerated at Coyote Ridge Corrections, Washington State DOC.

Quote from: educatedindian on April 14, 2026, 12:36:13 AMThe second link includes about NACTI. Basically a falling out between the two. NACTI was useful to TITN for ID cards, but kept trying to get money out of applicants. 100 a pop. Heres the old NACTI site. As you can see, its chapters were generally in areas without many NDNs.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250226211221/https://www.nativeamericanchurchofturtleisland.org/

The link is only partly clickable. When pasting the whole thing into the address field it is OK.

I imagine there may be mental health challenges in the mix here.

Gleaned from this recent video  https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1AkDjXAz3N/ :

there is no such thing as corporations, they are corpse nations
no one who has children can sign a treaty
the earth is over-bred with zombies
most problems are caused by those who have died and then come back
the living and the dead are not supposed to mix, because that is how you get zombies
we are Cheyenne dogmen, not soldiers
the Cheyenne and Apaches are the first creators of the Algonquin language
the star nations are bad
star nations can't be sovereign unless they fight their own people
all you gotta do is die without children and you won't come back

Surprised we do not have a thread on them, only on their association with TITN.

Everyone reading, esp non Natives, be aware they are not the actual NAC. One of the complaints which drove them away from TITN, themselves militia nuts, was they were trying to hustle every member for money. 100 ID cards. Cards which are actually useless. They do not give legal protection to peyote users, and most members are non Native or those with dubious or distant claims of descent.

You can find the genuine NAC statement on groups like NACTI here:
https://narf.org/national-council-of-native-american-churches-speak-out-against-illegitimate-organizations/

Their chapters seem to be a few people or even single members. Notice where they are, far from rezzes or large urban NDN populations.
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https://web.archive.org/web/20250226211221/https://www.nativeamericanchurchofturtleisland.org/
1.) NACTI of Northern California Contact: Ambassador Brennen Shaw
Located: Northern California  Phone: 530-680-3808 Email: nactiofnorthernca@gmail.com

2.) NACTI of Clio Contact: Minister Eric Gunnels (Minister is not a membership title)
Located: Mid-Lower Michigan, Clio Phone: 810-875-7395 Email: Gunnelseric@yahoo.com

3.) NACTI of Birch Run Contact: Robb LaPeen & Samantha Maxson Located: Mid-Lower Michigan, Birch Run
Phone: 810-610-5884 Email: sunny@uwshinc.com

4.) NACTI of Sage Rainbow Warriors Sanctuary  Contact: Amanda Bilby
Located: Missouri Phone: 816-385-7639 Email:  sagerainbowwarriors@gmail.com

5.) NACTI of Virginia Contact: Aaron Bullock Located: Virginia

5.) NACTI of South Carolina Contact: Henry Jones Located: South Carolina Phone: 864-927-9656

6.) NACTI of Temple Mother Earth Contact: Sonatta Camara & James Ellis Located: Washington D.C. Phone: 202-439-2535 Email: templeofmotherearth@gmail.com

7.) NACTI of Florida Contact:Maxwell Warrack Located:Newberry, FL  Ph:352-474-7644 Email:growterraveda@gmail.com

8.) NACTI of Walking With Western Wildflowers Contact: Amanda Pays, Michael Ridge, Conrad Kiczenski
Located: Oregon Phone: 208-304-0436 Email:amandapays@outlook.com

9.) NACTI of Family Constellations and Earth Medicines
Contact: Wayne Cina Located: Connecticut Phone: 203-231-0699 Email: NACTIFCEM@gmail.com

10.) NACTI of Georgia Contact: Marvyn A. Hepburn Located: Atlanta, Georgia Phone: 888-734-4777
Email: nactiofgeorgia@gmail.com & nactiofgeorgia@protonmail.com

11.) NACTI of Ancestral Cactus Congregation  Contact:Maxwell Wieland-Branch Founder Located: West Virginia - Main Office/Mobile Services Available  Phone: 412-699-1382 Email: ancestralcactuscongregation@gmail.com

Arrest showing the card does zero to protect members from legal charges.
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https://www.somdnews.com/enterprise/crime_and_courts/southern-maryland-police-briefs/article_c00e773f-7e67-4b80-9e74-8147c5f971e5.html
On Sept. 24, Deputy Cory Mister of the Calvert sheriff's office was conducting radar traffic checks on Route 2/4 in the Prince Frederick area and observed a white pickup truck with Virginia tags without a rear registration plate illumination. Mister attempted to stop the truck, which proceeded onto Sixes Road, where it later stopped in the area of Grist Mill Road.

The deputy asked the vehicle's driver to show his driver's license. The driver, who was subsequently identified as Tehron Renelius George, 46, of Brandywine, said he had paperwork that allowed him to drive. He produced a membership identification card with "Native American Church of Turtle Island."

A search of the truck yielded a backpack, which contained suspected psilocybin mushrooms inside two glass smoking devices.

George was charged with drug possession and possession of an inhalant for distribution plus cited for driving without a license, driving while unregistered, driving with expired registration plates and driving while uninsured.

On Sept. 25, George posted $10,000 bond and was released. A district court hearing on the charges is scheduled for Nov. 18.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/903730073921024/posts/1139030390390990/
i am a chief an child psychologist Dr. and helped write the indigenous human rights in 2006 an have been appointed special legal advisor to all indigenous affair

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No evidence he has any degree or training. The authors of the 2006 UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples are very well known. Obviously do not include him.

The same link has a doc from Chief Delorme of the Little Shell Pembina and David Taylor Barker of TITN declaring him a member, official, and legal advisor. Both pretty are well known to us as sovereign citizen crazies and frauds.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=185.0
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=5420.0

The second link includes about NACTI. Basically a falling out between the two. NACTI was useful to TITN for ID cards, but kept trying to get money out of applicants. 100 a pop. Heres the old NACTI site. As you can see, its chapters were generally in areas without many NDNs.
https://web.archive.org/web/20250226211221/https://www.nativeamericanchurchofturtleisland.org/

Complaints about him on Facebook state that he is a fraud, charlatan, creepy, disrespectful, and that he asks for money for his supposed spiritual services.

He's been told to stay away from people he has hassled.

He sells fake sovereign citizen license plates and identification.

Looking through his social media - he is transphobic.

He has uploaded multiple scanned pages of the book "A Treatise on on Arrest and False Imprisonment" by Charles A. Weisman.

Weisman was a Christian Identity author and publisher.

Quote"Dr Thomas Whitefeather" is a FRAUD. Again, he is not Native. Please do not allow him to harm you with his false image. He is known to frequent Wenatchee, Cashmere, and Leavenworth but is NOT a relative or member of my Tribes! He has been asking for compensation for his "services"

One of the photographs he posted on FB got the comment "dog soldiers". He responded to that comment "Dogmen not dog soldiers".

I did an image search on the photograph. It is "Dog Soldiers From Northern Cheyenne" taken by photographer Zoë Marieh Urness.

Quotethomas whitefeather is a Cheyenne dogman medicine chief an carries his Cheyenne grandmother's bloodline so even if all parties agree in all matters regardless of what ever in good heart an mind and so the Cheyenne Grandmothers always get the last say in everything on earth, and then you will have to go see the sky woman an sky man before you get to go back to the stars so all have been served the Truth ...

(etc. etc.)

This is fun:

Quotehow many of you made the correlation of Coyote and Felix the cat, and coyotes belongs to the cat side not dog side and so the tribal traditional story of coyote taking creations bag of stars and opening a portal to the demons through the so called milky way, and so coyote is not a creator her/him stoled creations bag of stars, and so chief VekesohvoKomaestse Thomas Whitefeather is a Cheyenne dogman who knows who the coyotes are and can see you,
Coyote is a prominent, complex figure in Native folklore—a "trickster" acting as a creator and a clown, and selfish fool. These traditional stories, often shared during winter, teach lessons through Coyote's misadventures, greed, such as in tales where he steals fire, creates people, or is outsmarted,
Felix the black cat is causing trouble with the bag of stars her/him stoled to play games on others just for a laugh so the main point of all this is coyote is not a creator and neither is the cats
so coyote an the cats are in debt to all of creations

The "Coyote is a prominent, complex figure" sentence is clearly lifted from somewhere else. He doesn't show the ability to write like that himself.

QuoteChief Whitefeather Siwtkw has Sued an Won to say what ever he wants for that the world can't be bought an has laid down the laws like his White Mountain Apache Mother Tammy Songbird an his Cheyenne Father Chief ThomasTwocrows

So he is claiming White Mountain Apache through mother and Cheyenne through father.

Quotechief VekesohvoKomaestse Thomas Whitefeather chose to walk through this life without any magical gifts and his matrilineal mother tammy songbird and matriarch father chief thomas twocrows told their one and only son/sun that its not going to be easy and he won't have any magical powers to protect him self from good or bad