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General => Research Needed => Topic started by: BlackWolf on October 27, 2009, 02:35:46 am
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I thought this Wannabee Cherokee Tribe was particulary bizarre. They are claiming some kind of connection between Jewish people and Cherokee people. This is nothing new though. I've heard different stories over the years where people have claimed some kind of ancient connection with Cherokees and the Ancient Israelites. Although I personally don't beleive the claims have any basis whatsoever, I was wondering if anyone else has heard these claims before?
http://www.cherokeeoflawrencecountytn.org/index.html (http://www.cherokeeoflawrencecountytn.org/index.html)
http://www.cherokeeoflawrencecountytn.org/html/cherokeeisraelconnection.html (http://www.cherokeeoflawrencecountytn.org/html/cherokeeisraelconnection.html)
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I found this group in Missouri who claim to the be Jewish Cherokee an also have some ties to the Mormons...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/848921/posts
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I have heard of this alleged Jewish/Cherokee connection before; James Adair, a trader in the 1700's, wrote a book positing this theory. The essentially racist idea was that as the Cherokee had such an advanced culture, they necessarily could not be indigenous and had to be a "Lost Tribe of Israel". I have this book and I am not convinced by the arguments which were based on EuroAmerican ignorance and racism.
I am also not convinced by the information presented on the so called "Cherokee of Lawrence Co. TN" website; I am perfectly satisfied by their contention they are Jewish but not by their contention they are Cherokee. They go so far as to claim that because the federally recognized Cherokees do not recognize them that they are "anti-Semitic." Ashkenazi Jews are mainly European in origin, not Semitic, as near as my understanding reaches, and the concept of Cherokees as lost Israelites was discredited many years ago. Another group that pushed the idea of Cherokees as Jews was John Redhat Duke and his cohort Dorothy "Lady In White" Daigle, who runs the website grossly misnamed "The Original Keetoowah Society" which is associated with the questionable Scott "Blue Otter" Anderson and his webring. Oh yeah, I forgot to add the fraudulent NCOLT of Beverly Baker Northup, who also pushes the Cherokees as Jews theory.
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The JEWISH / HEBREW / CHEROKEE Connection is a common one promoted by many groups based in missouri , ARKANSAS and parts of the south ( support IS given by Crosslin Smith - Redbird SON , who in a 1980's Video tape STATES that the Cherokee ARE ISRAEL /Jews . MIDDLE TENN. HAS MANY "Black Dutch" ; "Black IRISH" pockets; EAST TENN. HAS MANY "MELUNGEON' pockets to date the state of Tenn has only acknowledge the Etowah Commumity ( google ) . Which does have legal indians ( per tenn.'s race / segregation laws- pre 1960's ) .
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Tenskey, you are incorrect; Crosslin Smith is not Redbird's son, and it was not he who made the documentary. In that documentary, the claim is not made that Cherokees are Jews. Try again. Better yet, introduce yourself, then try again.
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If you go to their website and look at their supposed archaeological evidence, it doesn't add up to much. Elaborate claims about conspiracies to hide the truth, superificial similarities in inscriptions, and extremely unlikely claims like a supposed 700 foot high wall in Tennessee with ancient Hebrew writings.
Archaeologists would love for a claim like this to be true. Some make their careers on unlikely unsupported claims. That's part of what makes me think if any of this had even a slight bit of evidence, an archaeologist would've already taken the claim and made himself famous.
They also spend quite a bit of effort arguing against someone who claimed these are all Celtic artifacts, and the "chief" Joe Sitting Owl White also frequently refers to the "Iroquois tribe." Plus he goes on to claim the Creek and Seminole tribe were ancient Israelites too. Pretty ignorant. The Seminole didn't exist until the 18th century, made up of other tribes that had almost been exterrminated like the Yamassee, etc.
The site also posted a letter from a DNA analyst which actually doesn't prove a thing that White is claiming. The analyst admits he has little familiarity with Native DNA, but that based on what he knows, there's actually no evidence his group has Native ancestry. Instead he says they more like have DNA more commonly found in Europe and the Middle East. And that's it. Those words, "the Middle East," are the basis for his claim, "We've been proven to be Jewish." I'd say it's more likely they are European, neither NDN nor of Jewish descent.
They also have "ambassadors," one for Israel living in Copperas Cove Texas (near Austin) and another to the Navajo, living in Cuba New Mexico. Cuba NM is about 100 mi from the edge of the Navajo rez.
Their application form states they are an "organization based on Christ." You must be Christian and swear not to practice witchcraft, "wica", black magic, or voodoo. There doesn't seem to be any actual requirement for you to be Cherokee to be a member, or even NDN.
Their "chief" Joe White shows up as an endorser of a course in achieving success.
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I couldn't find anything on his claims of running a bank. Maybe just a typo of band?
In this article, White claims they have 800 members.
http://www.cherokeephoenix.org/2389/Article.aspx
He solicited for public funds for their museum.
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http://www.cityoflawrenceburgtn.com/Comm_Mtg_Minutes/CMM_20030703.htm
Under Citizens Request Joe “Sitting Owl” White appealed to the Commission for funds in the amount of $75,000.00 for the Cherokee/David Crockett Museum located on the Public Square in the old First National Bank Building.
The Commission informed Mr. White that the Commission would have to meet to consider the budget and any changes that may need to be made to it. They may consider his request after that time.
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Only six years ago, they were called the Sugar Creek Band of Cherokee.
http://www.wdxe.net/wdxe.php?rfc=narticle.php&id=712
One poster at a Christian prophecy forum recalls White wrote a pamphlet claiming New York City is the whore of Babylon.
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http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=11076&st=6
senteami3 May 17 2007, 08:39 PM
There was a pamphlet written by an Indian... from my HOMETOWN!!!
named "Joe Sitting OWL White", about Babylon, the Great Whore.
He said that New York was surrounded by 7 COUNTIES (I remember HUDSON, BERGEN); in a way, he said that since God had created the earth, he had formed the continents accordingly. The most obvious LAND
MARK was (bien-sur; natuerlich...) the Italian BOOT!!! On the map, you can see it, nudged right under Sicily, (which btw looks like a PYRAMID... with the AETNA volcano where the EYE ON THE PYRAMID WOULD STAND!); he added that if the boot continued the motion it had just started, it would "SHOOT" Sicily right onto Manhattan!!!
He traced two lines: one going from Jerusalem and going through the Pillars of Heracles (the Detroit of Gibraltar); he traced another line going from Babylon through the same Detroit of Gibraltar and saw that both lines were encompassing the territory forming the UNITED STATES!
This was weird...
He said that the dimensions of the state of New York were (in a bigger scale) the same as Babylon! They both look like a triangle, which is crossed by a river. (I guess it is Hudson River).
He says that if we draw a line around New York using the 7 border counties, we can see the face of a woman, mouth open, with the LaGuardia Airport somewhere in the mouth. The face, on the map, is facing east...
This was an interesting read... That's all I can remember
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Seven years ago, White was part of the Southeastern Cherokee Confederacy and hosting the Atlantian Cherokee DNA Project. (You can't make this stuff up.)
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http://www.secci.com/TLold/JanFeb2002/Jan-Feb2002.htm
DNA Project
O'siyo,
We are initiating a new DNA Research Project. It is appropriately named, The Atlantian Cherokee DNA Research Project, Joe Sitting Owl White, Sugar Creek Band of the SeCCI, 393 Rabbit Trail Road, Leoma, TN 38468, 931 852 4353, joe_white@msn.com
This project includes only Cherokee ladies that have had their DNA tested for Native American DNA. Negative results are more important than positive results, but we need as many as possible of both.
Native American DNA Test can be obtained from www.familytreedna.com , Bennett Greenspan, ask for The Sugar Creek Band DNA Test. It is kind of expensive but absolutely necessary. The test kit is easy to use, it includes swabs that are rubbed in the inside if the cheek, and easy to understand instructions.
The ladies must have an unbroken line of females. ie. daughter, mother, grandmother, great grandmother, great great grandmother, etc, etc.
It is most important to remember that a Negative test results does not mean that you are not Cherokee. In fact it could prove that you are Cherokee.
Please get the results to me ASAP. Your DNA test results and genealogy will be destroyed at the end of the test. We will have witnesses of the destruction. They will be burned in the Council Fire, and Nancy Dances Alone Brown our Medicine Woman will offer tobacco, sage, and blessings.
Wado,
Joe Sitting Owl White
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Atlantian Cherokee? :o *laughs real hard* Wow. Makes me wish I was still doing a comic strip. That satirizes itself. :D
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In regards to the link by Don Naconna. It seems that who ever wrote that is taking a real Cherokee migration oral story and changing it to suite thier own agenda. There is a story amongst some Oklahoma Cherokee of our ancestors leaving some distant place and crossing water before they eventually encountered the Iroquois people, which I won't go into detail about.
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I thought this was very bizarre also. There is a link you click on that says "Painting of Pocahontas" and the caption says "Obviously a "Little Jewish Girl".
http://www.cherokeeoflawrencecountytn.org/html/cherokeeisraelconnection.html (http://www.cherokeeoflawrencecountytn.org/html/cherokeeisraelconnection.html)
http://www.cherokeeoflawrencecountytn.org/images/Pocahontas.jpg (http://www.cherokeeoflawrencecountytn.org/images/Pocahontas.jpg)
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This group is yet another using their status as a religious non-profit to promote a fraudulent image. They are a heritage group at best and they should be up front about that.
If you look on their application there is a note at the bottom of the front of it that starts "Note: This Organization is based on Christianity...."
http://www.cherokeeoflawrencecountytn.org/appy1.pdf3
yet in their "About Us" section it states "The Central Band of Cherokee is a 501 (c) 4, nonprofit Educational Organization and exists for the sole purpose of of saving and protecting our Cherokee Heritage. "
http://www.cherokeeoflawrencecountytn.org/html/about_us.html
You don't have to be Cherokee to apply....from what I can tell, you might not even have any Native heritage as one of the questions asks "Are you Native American?? What Tribe?"
http://www.cherokeeoflawrencecountytn.org/appy1.pdf
Their DNA testing "proof" is really nothing of the sort as they seem to only be testing their members....and in fact they seem to be passing off the "Tullahoma Group" as possibly full blood as they only attribute DNA connections for Europe and the Middle East to their "known Cherokee" status...completely disregarding the fact that if any Cherokee blood exists in these individuals it's pretty watered down by now with several obvious non-Indian ancestries.
http://www.cherokeeoflawrencecountytn.org/html/announcements.html
http://www.cherokeeoflawrencecountytn.org/Tullahoma_DNA.pdf
There's also several references to James Adair's book.....put forth as "Proof".
Their patch...designed and apparently owned by the Boy Scouts of America
http://www.cherokeeoflawrencecountytn.org/html/patch.html
Also noticed a recent lawsuit that keeps coming up when you google "Central Band of Cherokee".
Seems Joe "Sitting Owl" White (the "principal chief" and owner of the museum and website) is suing his own group over trademark and intellectual property. It's dated from Sept. 29, 2009.
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-tnmdce/case_no-1:2009cv00065/case_id-45877/
Superdog
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Here's a letter that is cosigned by many of the heritage groups in Tennessee attempting to gain recognition as actual tribes. They want to be recognized as "Minorities" in order to take advantage of state government help and as Native to sell art as Indian made.
http://www.tennesseenativetribes.com/Common/Pdfs/Coverletter.pdf
Based on their attempts to pull themselves off as an actual tribe I'd move Joe White's group (the Central Band of Cherokee, formerly the Sugar Creek Band of SECCI) to the frauds list.
Superdog
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Atlantian Cherokee? *laughs real hard* Wow. Makes me wish I was still doing a comic strip. That satirizes itself.
You obviously haven't read Dhyani YooHoo's account of it:
"Tsalagi Elo--our...oral tradition, tells how the Principal People...originated in the star system known as the Pleiades...These star people came to Earth in Elohi Mona, five islands in the Atlantic Ocean, later known as Atlantis...Before the star people came...there was emotional nature, but not yet the mind...The star children, the Sacred Seven...were greeted by the Children of the Sun, already living upon the Earth, in the Americas...Thus the Sacred Seven intermarried with the Children of the Sun, the Earth people. Their descendents in North America are the Tsalagi, Creek, Choctaw, Yuchi, and other Red Nations of the southeastern United States..."
--Voices of Our Ancestors, pp 9-13
So these interplanetary travelers who were fully individuated minds, came to Earth from a star cluster 440 light years away, and settled in Atlantis, which was five Atlantic islands. Going from a region full of hot blue stars to the cool blue Atlantic must have been a shock, but nevermind. Later (apparently when the islands sank out from under them, but this is not mentioned), they decided that the land to the West looked nice. It was already inhabited by natives, the Children of the Sun. On their own, they didn't have a brain among the lot of them, but knew a good thing when they saw it, so they embraced the travelers with open arms, apparently in more ways than one. ;) The result of this interplanetary bachelor party were the Southeastern tribes of Indians, including the Cherokees.
I don't know about the other tribes, but the Southeastern ones have the Space Brothers to thank for the fact that they have a mind at all. :o I mean, if Dhyani YooHoo says it, who are we to argue with such an enlightened teacher? ;D
I seem to remember another story about enlightened travelers coming West from lands beyond the Atlantic Ocean, who found natives in the Americas and intermarried with them. Their descendents are now members of the Wannabe tribe, who insist on getting their piece of the action.
I don't exactly know what Ms. YooHoo means by "Children of the Sun", but a term like "Sun People" is one that some people like to use to describe anyone with dark skin, just as they use "Ice People" to describe us melanin-deficient types. Any idea as to what color of skin the Atlanteans had? ;D
Voices of Our Ancestors has a lot of comic strip material if you can wade through the verbiage and spiritual techobabble.
I don't know how much any of this has to do with authentic Cherokee traditions; who knows how much of Ms. YooHoo's statements have to do with authentic anything. Somewhere on this board, a member posted an account of a Cherokee migration story that says they came from the West, not the East. And James Mooney pointed out that it's odd that the Cherokees have stories about traveling east to the place where the Sun lives, but not once mentions the ocean, which they knew perfectly well was there. This is doubly odd if their ancestors came from that direction originally.
Anyway, no matter who's telling you what in these modern mythologies, you can bet your teepee that somewhere, somehow, Atlantis is going to figure into it.
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i myself have heard of the connection but ya gotta wonder who would really believe that it exists? it doesnt even make any sense!
sorry just wanted to put in my opinion.
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THE Topic of Cherokee / Jewish links Will never go away for severial reasons :::: 1) such IS a major tennet of New Age / Wannabe lore / Jewish ( ie Adam , Means Red man or a man showing color in the face ; bible lore ) .The Oklahoma Cherokee Have been Deeply involved in Lodge ( ie kinghts , etc) workings since the 1800's . 2) the efforts of the redhat Duke adherents / faction continues !! 3) the Documented statements of C. Smith !!!! 4) the L.D.S. groups Have " run " missions to the Cherokee since the 1840's . 5) lastly , as the U.S. has become less white And Blacks / Chicanos have pointed out white mis deeds ; Indianess has become the refuge of True Americanism / Patriots : What is More U.S. that the Redman!!!!!!!
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The only connection I know of is that some frauds who claimed to be NDN turned out to be Jewish.
Also some garbled family histories where a darker, plains-dwelling side of the family was thought to be NDN, but later turned out to be assimilated Jews, scared to tell the German neighbors their true ethnicity.
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Ms Kathryn ( global moderator ): You ARE SO True and Factual !! Such ARE the BULK of NOT only the WannabeCherokee ( and "tribes" ).BUT Any other indigenous grouping " fawned " over By the masses !!!!!
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I'm wondering why it hasn't become trendy to be Jewish. I guess even old culture vulture Madonna couldn't make that cool. I wonder who the rootless will try to co-opt when they get tired of being pretendians?
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The Winds DO move about !!!!!! In My life I have seen such ( IN the U.S. ) go from being French : To Indian: and Even Gale ( Big element of U.S. Pagan movement) !!!! Regardless of which; Always the Top of the heap !!!! Money /Agendas Make STRONGE winds !!!!!!!! Ten-skey
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As I have conveyed before ; Tennessee HAD Racial Laws ( As W.V.; KY; MISS.; ALA.; GEORGIA, ; S.C..; N.C..; VIR. ; MD ) until the 1960's ( inclusive of Segregation ) . So in ALL these States Wannables WILL stand out !!!! AND RETURN such Wannables to a LEGAL second Class Citizenship ( FORCED on those OF Color ) AND see how fast such personages And groupings disappear !!!!!! Ten-skey
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As a post thought : This, is probibly one of the few times in history that persons have Willingly placed themselves (And their posterity ) in a Second Class Status . Remember , historic mixed groups were Forced into this status ( BY Local; State; Federal; Law Enforcement !!! ) And ALL such groups wanted was Equal Acess AND LEGAL Anknowledgement of their Factual history / idenity . Ten-skey
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I must be missing something, what does racial segregation have to do with this group?
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If this group IS who /What they claim ;Tennessee Will have Many Public Records on Them. Remember Their claimed area of residency IS the famous Bufford Prusser / Walking Tall Movies,Etc. area !!!!! He noted until Assinnated" That His area was HEAVELY OUTLAW; but Never Noted " Indian ". Ten-skey
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Could you please your post, it doesn't make any sense.
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I meant could you please EXPLAIN your post, it doesn't make any sense.
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YOU Must be not one of us or you would Know OUR struggles Ten-skey
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Indians ARE NOT WHITE ; hince B.I.A., ETC. So Indians would be under racial laws ( ie Eastern Band. Lumbee ,ALA Creeks ,ETC. ) ten-skey
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Your posts don't make sense. Could you please explain it. What does racial segregation have to do with these people? I fail to see the connection and I'm sure that other members do as well.
Yes I saw you post that still doesn't explain your posts.
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Even Reservations Are A form of segregation . FIRST Federally Imposed; Now largely Self Imposed !!! Ten-skey
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What I don't understand is how racial segregation applies to this group.
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What I don't understand is how racial segregation applies to this group.
:D Don....I'll tell you about this guy via email.....
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OK thanks...
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I don't understand any of ten skey's posts either.....I live a little over an hour from Lawrenceburg, I've seen this group's "museum" on the town square but didn't go in.....read too much of their website to even want to go in and see what it was all about. I also don't know about his/her attempt to connect Buford Pusser/Walking Tall to Lawrenceburg....not even close....McNairy county is over 80 miles to the west of this group on US64. If anyone want me to actually check out their "museum/cultural center" let me know.
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Believe it or not these FAKES just got Official Recognition by the state of Tennessee. SERIOUSLY!
http://www.nativetimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3822:tennessee-commission-of-indian-affairs-recognizes-6-clubs-as-tribes&catid=54&Itemid=30 (http://www.nativetimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3822:tennessee-commission-of-indian-affairs-recognizes-6-clubs-as-tribes&catid=54&Itemid=30)
http://www.cherokeeoflawrencecountytn.org/ (http://www.cherokeeoflawrencecountytn.org/)
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Chief Joe Sitting Owl White talks about Cherokee History on TV!
Joe Sitting Owl White “The Peace Chief” appears on TV to explain Cherokee History to viewers. The name of the show is Tennessee Treasures. He explains that his people are “The Old Settlers that went West” He also has a 1794 peace Medal from George Washington! He’s also very proud that his people have 3 TREATYS with the Federal Government. There are also 550 Tribes across America recognized by the Federal Government as Official Cherokee Tribes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7GMRtddO6c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7GMRtddO6c)
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lawrenceburg-TN/Central-Band-of-Cherokee/260565219193 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lawrenceburg-TN/Central-Band-of-Cherokee/260565219193)
They also have an upcoming appearance on the History Channel according to their Face Book Page.
Central Band of Cherokee In June, 2010, the Central Band of Cherokee will be featured on the History Channel! Keep your eyes open for us!
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He also explains why Pocahontas looks like a little Jewish Girl, and how the Cherokees are really Jews.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/oopa-loopa-cafe/2009/11/27/joe-sitting-owl-white-and-the-jubilee-stone (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/oopa-loopa-cafe/2009/11/27/joe-sitting-owl-white-and-the-jubilee-stone)
WAY TO GO TENNESSEE COMMISION ON INDIAN AFFAIRS!
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ALL of this BREAKS the POWER AND AUTHORTY of N.C,AND OKLAHIOMA Ten-skey
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I see that they had their website redone to make themselves appear more authentic.
http://www.cherokeeoflawrencecountytn.org/ (http://www.cherokeeoflawrencecountytn.org/)
Tribal membership in the Central Band of Cherokee is opening to any lineal descendent of the Cherokee inhabitants of the 1806 Congressional Reservation.
These people are full of baloney. There was a Treaty made with the Cherokee in 1806 by the Federal Government.
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/kappler/vol2/treaties/che0090.htm (http://digital.library.okstate.edu/kappler/vol2/treaties/che0090.htm)
One of many Treaties that was broken, when another one was made. This was made with the Cherokee Nation, not with individuals. After land sessions were made one after the other, eventually almost all Cherokees moved out of the ceded territory. Cherokees were and still are very ethnocentric people. Those that didn't want to move would have been forced out.
While many of our ancestors were not removed West to Oklahoma during the “Trail of Tears,” a number of Cherokee escaped and were given sanctuary by other Cherokee who resided on the 1806 Congressional Reservation lands.
No one escaped. The Cherokees were for the most part in charge of their own removal. There were maybe handfuls that didn’t remove. They wouldn’t have been given sanctuary by Cherokees though, because virtually all Cherokees were rounded up and removed. No Cherokees escaped. The Eastern Band Cherokee’s ancestors are the only Cherokees that stayed on as a cohesive people. There was a census just before the Trail of Tears. If someone really does have Cherokee ancestry in Tennessee, then they should at least trace to one of the Rolls or census there. Judging by looking at these groups and their enrollment procedures and fabricated history, I’d say the overwhelming majority of these people are basing their Cherokee heritage on Oral History passed on through their family.
A number of Cherokee were also able to make their way back immediately after the removals and there are some documented cases of this. There were extensive Census and Rolls taken even of the ones that stayed behind on the Chapman and Siler Rolls.
Most reputable genealogist these days will tell you that in most instances these oral stories of Cherokee ancestry were made up stories for a variety of reasons.
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Unlike many other tribes, we also use DNA evidence to support applications at the same standard accepted in Federal Court.
This link explains the issue of DNA testing here.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1375.0 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1375.0)
While DNA by itself cannot establish that an ancestor was resident on the 1806 Congressional Reservation, a DNA match with another legally established Central Band of Cherokee tribal member could corroborate other documentation provided.
This doesn’t hold much weight. If one alleged Tribal member is basing his enrollment on oral history or a family bible that says he’s Cherokee, then this would be meaningless in establishing Cherokee heritage for someone else that can connect themselves to them.
Winfield Scott began rounding up the Cherokee and there were eight forts in Tennessee constructed for this. Ten internment camps were later constructed in Tennessee. By July of 1838, aside from the Oconaluftee citizen Indians, or the fugitive hiding in the mountains who would later be the ancestors of EB members, virtually all Cherokee were rounded up. The scattered families that stayed behind would have been listed on the Chapman or Silers roll or another census. If there really were cases of Cherokees who weren’t documented, nor had parents or grandparents that were documented, then they were extremely rare cases and would not by any stretch of the imagination account for the hordes of people in Tennessee who claim Cherokee heritage.
The majority of the Cherokees that avoided removal later joined up with the Eastern Band. Actually many Eastern Band members today are descended from these people and can document it. There is a myth that the Eastern Band is only composed of those who stayed in the NC area after removal when in fact after removal, they were joined up by Cherokee families from other areas such as Tennessee. For the few that did avoid removal (who would have descendents that can prove it), they were in all likelihood scattered across a large geographical area. These Cherokees after removal would not have had any significant contact with the other handfuls that avoided removal to form any cohesive group. The only exception would be for the ones that jointed up with the Cherokees that would later be called the Eastern Band. I know of some isolated cases of people who actually can trace to some of the other rolls and census of Cherokees that were still in the East. I wouldn’t have a problem with these people forming a heritage group as Cherokee descendents, and I don’t have a problem with these people celebrating their heritage. But all the evidence shows that these are not the people we are talking about.
The problem is that the hordes of people in Tennessee who claim Cherokee heritage don’t have a drop of Cherokee blood in them, but on the contrary, are in fact the descendents of the MOBS OF WHITE INTRUDERS who invaded and colonized the Cherokee homeland in the South East. First the land and resources were taken, now these people’s very descendents are stealing one of the last things that theCherokee people have left, and that is Cherokee identity
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REAL Cherokee and desendant of tennessee Cherokee HIDE from the WANNABEES , which are many - money in being indian !!!! Ten-skey
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The Assistant Secretary of Indian Affairs Larry Echo hawk issues a proposed finding against acknowledgement of the Central Band of Cherokee, Lawrenceburg, Tennessee. Some keys things stand out in the decision.
http://www.victor-rocha.com/press_release/Echo%20Hawk%20Issues%20a%20Proposed%20Finding%2008132010.htm (http://www.victor-rocha.com/press_release/Echo%20Hawk%20Issues%20a%20Proposed%20Finding%2008132010.htm)
http://www.bia.gov/WhoWeAre/AS-IA/OFA/RecentCases/index.htm (http://www.bia.gov/WhoWeAre/AS-IA/OFA/RecentCases/index.htm)
"The evidence shows the petitioner is a voluntary association formed in 2000 of individuals who claim but have not documented Indian ancestry. There is no evidence that Petitioner #227 existed under any name prior to its emergence in 2000 as the “Cherokees of Lawrence County, TN, Sugar Creek Band of the Southeastern Cherokee Confederacy, Inc."
"The petitioner claims its members are descendants of Cherokee Indians who had not given up their rights to 1806 treaty lands in Tennessee, or are descendants of Indians living in Tennessee who evaded removal or escaped when the Cherokee were removed from North Carolina in the late 1830s. None of the evidence demonstrates the validity of either claim".
"The petitioner’s self-generated family histories and descent reports that attribute Cherokee ancestry to some of its ancestors are not supported by the evidence".
"OFA investigated CBC’s claims, located public records to verify members’ ancestors, and examined rolls of early eastern Cherokee Indians. The readily available public records clearly showed the petitioner’s members do not descend from any Cherokee group or any other Indian tribe. The evidence clearly shows the group’s ancestors were consistently identified as non-Indians, primarily “White” settlers coming to Tennessee in the early and mid-1800s from disparate locations. At no time were they identified as Indians or living in an Indian community".
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http://www.victor-rocha.com/press_release/Echo%20Hawk%20Issues%20a%20Proposed%20Finding%2008132010.htm (http://www.victor-rocha.com/press_release/Echo%20Hawk%20Issues%20a%20Proposed%20Finding%2008132010.htm)
"OFFICE OF THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY-INDIAN AFFAIRS
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: Nedra Darling
202-219-4152
Assistant Secretary-Indian Affairs Echo Hawk Issues a Proposed Finding against Acknowledgment of the Central Band of Cherokee, Lawrenceburg, Tennessee
Washington -- Assistant Secretary–Indian Affairs Larry Echo Hawk on August 6, 2010, issued a proposed finding not to acknowledge the petitioner known as the Central Band of Cherokee (CBC) (Petitioner #227) as an Indian tribe. The petitioner, located in Lawrenceburg, Tennessee, has approximately 407 members. The evidence shows the petitioner is a voluntary association formed in 2000 of individuals who claim but have not documented Indian ancestry. There is no evidence that Petitioner #227 existed under any name prior to its emergence in 2000 as the “Cherokees of Lawrence County, TN, Sugar Creek Band of the Southeastern Cherokee Confederacy, Inc.” Under the regulations, the Department may not acknowledge associations, organizations, corporations, or groups of any character formed in recent times.
The petitioner claims its members are descendants of Cherokee Indians who had not given up their rights to 1806 treaty lands in Tennessee, or are descendants of Indians living in Tennessee who evaded removal or escaped when the Cherokee were removed from North Carolina in the late 1830s. None of the evidence demonstrates the validity of either claim.
The Office of Federal Acknowledgment (OFA) evaluated the group’s petition under 83.10 e) of the acknowledgment regulations, which allows for issuing a proposed finding under criterion 83.7(e) only. To meet criterion 83.7(e), the petitioner must demonstrate descent from a historical Indian tribe or tribes that combined and functioned as a single entity. The petitioner’s self-generated family histories and descent reports that attribute Cherokee ancestry to some of its ancestors are not supported by the evidence. The recent decision of the Tennessee Commission on Indian Affairs to grant state recognition to the CBC does not provide evidence of Indian descent.
OFA investigated CBC’s claims, located public records to verify members’ ancestors, and examined rolls of early eastern Cherokee Indians. The readily available public records clearly showed the petitioner’s members do not descend from any Cherokee group or any other Indian tribe. The evidence clearly shows the group’s ancestors were consistently identified as non-Indians, primarily “White” settlers coming to Tennessee in the early and mid-1800s from disparate locations. At no time were they identified as Indians or living in an Indian community.
The petitioner clearly does not meet criterion 83.7(e), which satisfies the requirement for issuing a proposed finding under 83.10(e). If, in the response to the proposed finding, the petitioner provides sufficient evidence that it meets criterion 83.7(e) under the reasonable likelihood standard, then the Department will undertake a review of the petition under all seven mandatory criteria. If, in the response, the petitioner does not provide sufficient evidence that it meets criterion 83.7(e) under that standard, then the Assistant Secretary will issue a final determination based upon criterion 83.7(e) only.
The Department will publish notice of this proposed finding in the Federal Register. The regulations provide that the petitioner or any party will have 180 days after the publication of the notice to submit comments to rebut or support the proposed finding before the Department issues a final determination. After the comment period, the petitioner will have an additional 60 days to respond to the comments from third parties. Following the response period, the Department will begin work on a final determination.
The Assistant Secretary – Indian Affairs has responsibility for fulfilling the Interior Department’s trust responsibilities and promoting self-determination on behalf of the 564 federally recognized American Indian and Alaska Native tribal governments. The Assistant Secretary also oversees the Bureau of Indian Affairs, which is responsible for providing services to the tribes and their members, approximately 1.9 million individual American Indians and Alaska Natives, and OFA, which administers the Federal acknowledgment process".
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This shows the rampant FRAUD that runns through tennessee AND why REAL tennessee cherokee keep such a low prefile ----ONE sin MONEY Ten-skey
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The group was featured on a Hisory Channel documentary "Who Really Discovered America?" on cable television on Sunday, 10 October 2010.
There may be a potential remedy to the problem of legitimate, enrolled members of federally-recognized tribes who need a process, and its enforcement, as a way of identifying and punishing fraudulent claims by non-indigenous people who promote themselves as legitimate members of federally recognized tribes.
The article below deals with the issue of frauds who claim to be legitimate members of the US armed forces who have earned the medals issued by the armed forces. If the appeals succeed, it may be possible to find a way of using that particular law to create one to apply to those who fraudulently claim to be members of a federally recognized tribe.
Law punishing fake heroes may go to Supreme Court
By DAN ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer Dan Elliott, Associated Press Writer –
DENVER – The Justice Department is battling to save a federal law that makes it illegal to lie about being a war hero, appealing two court rulings that the statute is an unconstitutional muzzle on free speech.
The fight could be carried all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, where it would face an uncertain fate, legal analysts said.
"This is a Supreme Court that is friendly to parties asserting speech rights and skeptical about restrictions on those rights," said Kannon Shanmugam, a former Justice Department official.
Supporters of the law take the opposite view.
"It could wind up being the kind of landmark decision that the Supreme Court is going to have to give very serious and very broad consideration to, and I think they'll come down on our side," said Doug Sterner, a military historian.
The Stolen Valor Act makes it a crime punishable by up to a year in jail to falsely claim to have won a military medal, whether or not an impostor seeks financial gain.
A three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco and a federal district court in Denver have both ruled the law is unconstitutional on First Amendment grounds.
Last week, government lawyers in California asked the full 9th Circuit to reconsider the ruling, calling it a decision of "exceptional importance." Prosecutors noted that the three-judge panel was split 2-1 with sharply differing views, and that the law is also under challenge in Colorado.
The 9th Circuit hasn't said whether it will take a second look.
In Colorado, prosecutors announced last week they would ask the 10th Circuit to overturn the district court decision. That appeal is expected to be filed in early November.
The Stolen Valor Act, which breezed through Congress in 2006, revised and toughened an existing statute that forbade anyone to wear a military medal that was not earned.
The California and Colorado cases were among the early prosecutions under the newly strengthened law.
Xavier Alvarez, a local water board official from Pomona, Calif., was indicted in 2007 after saying at a public forum that he was a retired Marine who received the Medal of Honor, the nation's highest military decoration. Alvarez apparently never served in the military.
Alvarez pleaded guilty on condition that he be allowed to appeal on First Amendment grounds. The 9th Circuit ruled in his favor in August.
His attorney, Jonathan Libby, said Friday he believes both the full 9th Circuit and the U.S. Supreme Court would also find the law unconstitutional
Rick Glen Strandlof, who founded a veterans group in Colorado Springs, was arrested in 2009 after claiming he was an ex-Marine who was wounded in Iraq and had received the Purple Heart and Silver Star. The Marine Corps said it had no record that Strandlof ever served.
A Denver federal judge threw out the case against Strandlof in July.
Strandlof's attorney, Robert Pepin, said he is optimistic about winning at the appeals court or at the Supreme Court.
"It really ends up being a very interesting argument, with solid arguments on our side and strongly articulated arguments on their side," he said.
If government lawyers can't persuade the appeals courts to revive the law, they will likely ask the Supreme Court to hear the case, said Shanmugam, who served as the Justice Department's assistant solicitor general under President George W. Bush. The solicitor general is the government's top lawyer in arguments before the Supreme Court.
"When a federal court declares a federal statute unconstitutional, the solicitor general feels a strong obligation to defend the statute, where a reasonable argument can be made," Shanmugam said.
Shanmugam and others cited two 2010 Supreme Court rulings as indicators that the justices might overturn the Stolen Valor Act.
In one, the court overturned campaign spending limits on corporations and unions, and in the other it struck down a federal ban on videos that show graphic violence to animals. Both were viewed as free-speech cases.
Jonathan Turley, a professor at George Washington University Law School, said the Stolen Valor Act answers no real legal need but was written for political reasons, so lawmakers could show they are on the side of real heroes by punishing impostors.
"There's already a considerable deterrent for people who are engaged in this kind of conduct," he said. "Many of these people are charged with fraud. If someone is only wearing medals without seeking any form of gain, it becomes highly questionable."
Eugene Volokh, a UCLA law professor, said the court traditionally requires the government to prove it has a compelling interest to restrict free speech, which could be difficult in this case.
"I don't think that anybody's going to stop being a brave soldier, or be a less brave soldier, or have less respect for a brave soldier, because some number of people lie about it," he said.
Sterner, the military historian, said he believes the law has a good chance of surviving, citing the divided vote by the three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit.
"The fact that we had a 2-1 split bodes well at the 9th Circuit," said Sterner, whose wife, Pam, wrote a policy analysis in college that became the basis of the bill.
The bill's author in Congress, Colorado Democratic Rep. John Salazar, defended the law and said the rulings against it were misguided.
"You go out and you sacrifice and you earn these awards because of heroism. If somebody comes and tries to act like a hero, it kind of degrades what they did," he said. "It's defending their honor, as I see it."
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as i related cherokee /jewish ties are deep and long lasting . the gov. has a manner of finding the truth , but allows the fraud to continue. as i relate ONE reason true tenn. cherokk continue to " hide out " .
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ten-skey.....the Lawrence county group is nothing but frauds. I live about an hour away, have seen their claims and nothing matches the stories handed down by my grandmother and great grandmother. The Cherokee are NOT Jewish. This group had it's recognition pulled by the state of TN.....so they are now just a group of pretIndians.
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The TN Commission of Indian Affair's ridiculous action of "recognizing" cherry-picked organizations was self-serving, divisive and definitely controversial.
It seems that the action has been overturned by the TN Attorney General in September 2010. About time!
The following is found on the "unofficial" website of TCIA:
http://www.tncia.org/
The actions taken by the TCIA at its 19 June 2010 meeting in adopting Standing Rule 14 and in awarding state recognition as an Indian Tribe to the recently created six culture clubs that call themselves:
"Remnant Yuchi Nation" aka "Appalachian Confederated Tribes" of Kingsport TN;
"United Eastern Lenape Nation" aka "Upper Cumberland Cherokee" of Winfield TN;
"Chikamaka Band" aka "Chikamaka-Cherokee Band of the South Cumberland Plateau" of Tracy City TN;
"Central Band of Cherokee" aka " Cherokee of Lawrence County" of Lawrenceburg TN;
"Cherokee Wolf Clan" of Yuma TN; and
"Tanasi Council" aka "Tanasi Council of the Far Away Cherokee" of Memphis TN,
formerly known collectively as "Confederation of Tennessee Native Tribes",
are declared void and of no effect by the Tennessee Attorney General in Davidson County (Nashville) Chancery Court on 7 September 2010, pursuant to the state Open Meetings Act, TCA 8-44-105. Other violations of state law committed by the TCIA, including conspiracy, fraud, and violations of the state Open Meeting, Open Records, and Uniform Administrative Procedures Acts, have not been prosecuted at this time.
(Emphasis added by me...)
Bascially, the Commissioners violated numerous state laws as they granted themselves state recognition on the way out the door. Bureaucrats at their absolute worst, IMO.
I also think it's funny the Attorney General called these groups "culture clubs." Now that's funny, and quite accurate too.
clearwater
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Here is the entire document on the Proposed Finding Against Acknowledgement of the Central Band of Cherokee.
http://www.bia.gov/idc/groups/mywcsp/documents/text/idc010308.pdf (http://www.bia.gov/idc/groups/mywcsp/documents/text/idc010308.pdf)
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I just popped into this topic,but does anyone really believe Cherokees are really from the Jewish?
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Outside of this tiny little band of wannabes and seemingly a few History Channel producers, pretty much nobody. They're pretty much wacky non-Natives and pretty much wacky non-Jewish also.
From the BIA docs, pg 8:
...there is no evidence that the petitioner’s named ancestors were a part of the Cherokee nation in 1806 or at
any other time. There is no evidence that its claimed ancestors were identified as Indians or that
they were in Tennessee prior to 1806 and a part of the tribe identified by the treaty. There is no
evidence that a remnant of the historical Cherokee remained in Tennessee after the 1806 treaty or
that the petitioner’s non-Indian ancestors who migrated to Tennessee after 1806 married Indians
who were part of such an alleged remnant band of the Cherokee in Tennessee. All of the
evidence points to the petitioner’s male and female ancestors being non-Indians living as part of
the general population.
The petitioner claims that some of its ancestors living in Tennessee evaded removal or escaped
when the Cherokee were removed from North Carolina and resettled in what would become
Oklahoma in the late 1830s. The petitioner referred to maps of the Cherokee Removal routes
that showed that “Bell’s Route” passed through Lawrence County, TN, in 1838 (White
3/31/2007). The petitioner’s apparent belief that some of the Cherokee left their tribe and settled
in Lawrence County during the removal is unsupported speculation....
p. 10
....the bylaws do not require members to document descent from
their claimed Indian ancestors prior to joining the group. This governing document also states
that non-Indians may be “associate members” with full privileges (except holding office), and
that “spouses of full members are automatically accepted as blood members” (CBC Bylaws, 1).
Thus, the petitioner’s bylaws do not require members to be Cherokee descendants or to
document their claims of Indian descent.
Enclosed in that same submission was a page from the group’s website which states that the
yearly membership fee is $10.00, and explained the group’s membership requirements,
concluding with “If your Ancestors told you, and your oral history and your ancestry chart is
done and notarized that you have Native American Blood, and you believe them. Then you can
come share your Heritage with us. If you know in your Heart that you are Native American, then
to us you are” (CBC 7/21/2000). The very liberal terms for membership allow the petitioner to
include anyone who claims Indian heritage to join the group. Since the potential member is not
required to provide evidence to support the claim, it appears that the organization accepts selfidentifications
without question....
p. 17
....Although these descent reports illustrate the family lines of the various members, they clearly do
not demonstrate descent from the historical tribe. In fact, they do just the opposite: they show
that the petitioner’s claimed ancestors immigrated from the British Isles, France, and Germany
over long periods to the American colonies, in particular to Virginia, the Carolinas, and Georgia,
and that over time their descendants moved as individuals or small family groups to Tennessee.
Neither these descent reports nor other evidence in the record show that the immigrants married
into the Cherokee tribe or were otherwise associated with it, or any other tribe. After about
1818, descendants of the immigrants began to appear in what is now Lawrence County, TN. At
this time, some of the ancestors were also in Lauderdale or Limestone Counties, AL, situated just
south of Lawrence County, TN.
The petitioner’s claims of Indian ancestry in the genealogical descent reports are described
below. However, the petitioner did not submit, and OFA did not find, reliable original records,
either primary or secondary sources, to support these claims. The evidence shows that both the
male and female ancestors were, in fact, not Indians....
There is no evidence in the record that the women who married into the family lines
identified in the descent reports were Cherokee descendants. At best, these descent reports
include unsubstantiated claims that an individual in the family tree was supposed to be an Indian,
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Got several emails from one of the CB leaders. He wishes to make it very clear they no longer have any association with Wm Anderson. First is his email, then my response, then some further points.
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O’siyo,
I noticed a discussion thread about my website and involvement with Jimmy Tenrivers, Iglesia de Aztlan and “William Scott Anderson” who goes by Blueotter.
My credentials including Native American background (as mixed Cherokee) can be found at my website, www.torah-voice.org in the right-hand column.
Jimmy Tenrivers and I secured about $3,000 from the leadership of the LDS Church in Salt Lake City to help us out with the Sundance a few years ago when gasoline prices had again skyrocketed and there was concern about the extent to which Natives who would attend the Sundance would be able to help financially with the costs.
We had the help of Anderson who was living in Utah at that time. But today, we have no association with Anderson who is fraudulently declaring himself to be my “spokesman.” Let it be known that Maggid ben Yoseif has no spokesman and requires no spokesman.
I am a past ex-officio member of the Board of Directors of Iglesia de Aztlan (appointed by Tenrivers). However, my duties as ambassador-at-large for the Central Band of Cherokee occupy most all of my time today. I am also speaking to chieftains and council chairs as a “special messenger” on the pre-1967 lines and how they usurp the Birthright of Joseph and will lead to the death of untold millions of Palestinians if the Bible turns out to be true and Obama is wrong.
Anyway, I want you to know that I value my reputation and if there are ANY concerns at all about ANY of my activities in the past or today, PLEASE contact me at benyoseif@yahoo.com.
Hoa Mitakuyasi and Gah geh you e,
Maggid ben Yoseif
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Hello,
We will post your message below to make it clear you have no association with Anderson.
You may also join and discuss yourself if you wish. All are welcome at the forum.
As to your "credentials", the sole claim the "Central Cherokee" can make is having conned the History Channel into feauturing their ludicrous claims, both that they are supposedly Cherokees and that Cherokees are supposedly Jewish.
Such ridiculous lies offend the actual Cherokee, of which there are very few among the "Central Cherokee" by blood, and absolutely none who know the culture or tradition.
The one favorable thing to be said about your group is you are not motivated by greed as so many of the frauds we deal with are.
There are also some other ludicrous claims you make:
"Intertribal elders" don't exist, and real elders don't proclaim themselves such.
There are no "Mimbreno Apaches" who sundance. Sundance is Lakota, and the MEmbrenos are at Ft Sill in Oklahoma, not in the Four Corners area, which is the Navajo rez. No doubt, much like the "Central Band", made up of a few distant descendants and many more who delude themselves, the "Mimbrenos" are similar.
I wish you would help yourself and others by learning accurate history rather than continuing to spread obvious falsehoods which offend actual Native people.
Al Carroll, moderator
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He then asked to keep anything further he said to me in confidence, but did say I could paraphrase much of it.
He apologized for any offense given to Cherokees. He also says he will take down from his site the claim that he's an "intertribal elder."
He admits that he and the CB were not raised in Cherokee traditions and were ignorant of most of them.
He also has some rather bizarre claims about what he claims is a conspiracy involving the CNO, the History Channel, and a DNA testing company.He says the CB does not claim that Cherokees are Jews but rather that Cherokees have distant ancestry from people in the Middle East. Yet at the same time he seems fascinated by the claimed Cherokee-Jewish connection and seems to have absorbed some of the stranger Biblical and Mormon fundamentalist ideas.
Probably the strangest claim of his is the the CB was chartered by the feds back in 1804 and somehow got cheated by the CNO. The CNO didn't even exist then.
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"On March 26, Assistant Secretary-Indian Affairs Larry Echo Hawk released his final determination in regards to a petition by the Central Band of Cherokee (Petitioner #227) for federal recognition status as an Indian tribe.
Echo Hawk’s final determination found the Lawrenceburg, Tennessee group did not meet the mandatory criteria for acknowledgment under the Code of Federal Regulations according to a Department of the Interior press release."
"In an August 17, 2010 article by Cherokee One Feather the Bureau of Indian Affairs is quoted as stating, “The readily available public records clearly showed the petitioner’s members do not descend from any Cherokee group or any other Indian tribe. The evidence clearly shows the group’s ancestors were consistently identified as non-Indians, primarily ‘White’ settlers coming to Tennessee in the early and mid-1800s from disparate locations. At no time were they identified as Indians or living in an Indian community.”"
"Echo Hawk’s final determination will become final and affective “as provided in the regulations 90 days from publication in the Federal Register, unless a request for reconsideration is received by the Interior Board of Indian Appeals under the procedures set forth in Section 83.11 of the regulations within that time,” according to the release."
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/03/27/echo-hawks-final-determination-denies-central-band-of-cherokee-federal-status-104956 (http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/03/27/echo-hawks-final-determination-denies-central-band-of-cherokee-federal-status-104956)
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ray "pearl seeker" pennington
mormon bishop
claims to be "central band of generokee"
while i dont think he sells fake ceremony.......he partakes in another form of charlatanism....selling fake history.......apparently he even writes childrens books on being cherokee
these twinkies getting into education at kids schools.....or even hireed by adults as historians are just as problematic as ceremony sellers
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Proposed Finding Against Acknowledgement of The Central Band of Cherokee, 2010: http://www.indianaffairs.gov/cs/groups/mywcsp/documents/text/idc010308.pdf (http://www.indianaffairs.gov/cs/groups/mywcsp/documents/text/idc010308.pdf) Includes info on Pennington and his genealogy claims, his ancestors in records always listed as white. His family history claims are said to be "vague family traditions and hearsay".
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Merged the topic with the older thread on the Central Band, who used to be Cherokees of Lawrenceville.
Some of the other leaders of the CB are fundamentalist Christians. The CB site includes some Nuage imitation of Lakota beliefs. The CB claim to have bred their own version of the white buffalo calf.
http://www.cbcherokee.org/www.cbcherokee.org/Spiritual_Activities.html
Apparently there's been a struggle to get rid of the old "chief" Joe White or "Sitting Owl."
http://www.cbcherokee.org/www.cbcherokee.org/Signed_Final_Court_Order%28jpg%29.html
Their current elected leaders are listed as:
Principal Chief......Joy Little Wildflower Johnson
Secretary..............June Lytespirit Hurd
Treasurer..............Joy Little Wildflower Johnson (Pro Temp Treasurer with no additional vote on Council)
Storyteller............
Spiritual Leader....John Pennington
Chief Historian.....Ray Seeker Pennington
War Chief..............David Winter Hawk Williams
Chief Clan Chief....Dale Lone Elk Casteel
Band Chief............Phillip One Feather Lovelace
Council Mother.....Ms Pete Stitchin Woman Thomason
Tribal Elder...........Ms Mary Ann Redwing Conn
As per usual, they felt they just had to include their alleged Indian names to seem more authentic.
Not clear what some of those positions are for besides making one feel puffed up to be a clan chief. War chief? Hopefully no militia group. Does he at least deal with vets' issues?
They hold their "tribal" meetings every month at Riley's Restaurant. Their front page claims they are "BIA Category 4" with no mention of them being turned down and found to be a "culture club" with no ancestry or evidence. Club dues are $120 a year.
FB page, mostly lots of Franklin Mint images of NDNs.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Central-Band-of-Cherokee/260565219193?sk=photos_stream&ref=page_internal
If you look farther down you'll see their older "tribal seal" includes a Star of David and an NDN with a Christian cross on his face.
Here's a link about Pennington's children's books, which seem to be trying to make Cherokee history fit with Mormon claims.
http://mormonmutt.blogspot.com/2014/01/lds-bishop-writes-book-about-cherokee.html