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General => Research Needed => Topic started by: Julia on April 29, 2008, 08:19:01 pm
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Could anyone here tell me more about a man called Paul Moore "Bear Paw", who is currently touring England with his "Evening of Clairvoyance and Mediumship"?
According to his website - http://www.paul-moore.org/clairvoyancepromotion.htm:
"Paul in his unique manner of humour and realism based in his Native American upbringing shocks electrifies and brings roars of laughter to audiences all over Scotland and England.
Confirming that there is a world beyond our physical world is what every Medium has to do but Paul sees his quest of life as being more. “When I am in front of an audience I have to bring in every gift I was born with, seeing aura’s, clairvoyance, Native American Wisdom and above all…empathy and compassion???. Paul is not beyond making anyone squirm in their chair wondering if he is going to come through with personal information…Paul states that he will get personal but also states that he does draw a line between personal and being intrusive in someone’s life and also states that he urges members of the audience to see him after if it is too personal to be shared.
A man of honour in the tradition that he was raised in is Paul Moore “Bear Paw???. Paul tells everyone at every event that life is meant to be lived in harmony peace, it is not meant to be arduous; your past-away loved ones; relatives and friends are here to give you direction in your life and through your life."
Thanks for your help!
Julia
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http://www.freewebs.com/paulmoore/
“Cave of Water??? Healing Techniques
Paul Moore (Bear Paw) ...Featured on BBC and ITV & Martina Moor
Native Americans have always been revered for their ability to heal, but modern thinking of needing a pill or surgery has erased all desire and drive to heal…we are now a society of quick fix....
Afflictions of the body can be healed quickly. You may be taken back by this probable fact, but it is true. Seventy-five percent, 75%, of all physical illnesses, can be healed, the remaining twenty-five percent, 25%, can be healed with a partnership in Martina & Paul, Doctor and counselling.
Martina Moor Paul Moore
moorpowerltd@yahoo.co.uk paulmoore@yahoo.com
0044 1388 767749 00441325 301433
Claudia Schulz-Herrenkind
edelsteinkeller@gmx.de
Jahnstr.11
21502 Geesthacht
OT Grünhof-Tesperhude
Tel./Fax 04152/139912
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No quick fix, but Moore will fix you quickly, with help from German women. Both Moor and Schulz mostly show up online on German sites.
He'll also teach you Tarot.
"For Tarot Parties or individual sessions call or write:
23 North Lodge Terrace
Darlington England DL3 6LZ
Home phone 01325-463441…Mobile phone 0794-4845715
paulmoore126@yahoo.com"
Mostly he's claiming to be a generic Native, no tribe mentioned. There was an old reference (according to google) to him supposedly being Abenaki, but that's gone from the site itself now. This site mentions his sister being from Skowhegan Maine.
http://www.avcnet.org/ne-do-ba/pic_fire.html
Doing workshops with a hypotherapist and NLP promoter.
http://www.holisticlocal.co.uk/business/view/104588/Asif+Mirza+Clinical+Hypnotherapist+and+NLP+Coach
http://www.sheffieldnet.co.uk/chatsworthfairs/Barnsley_talks.asp
"Dream Walker - Bear Paw (Paul Moore) Lecturer & Author
Native American Indian (Abenaki), Native indigenous are taught from birth that they are dream walkers and that they can create... The life of an indigenous is rooted in truth and an unshaken belief in their ability to dream life reality. My dream of life, like all native Americans is to help people to free them from their past so they may live in the present, the Now, a position of creating their precious Life’s Designs. Attend my talk to find out more!"
Most of that's Nuage and pop psychology gibberish. NDNs are taught no such thing.
He's also hitting the circuit in Germany.
http://www.edelsteinkeller.de/18510.html?*session*id*key*=*session*id*val*
http://www.edelsteinkeller.de/18510.html
Someone named Michelle is promoting him on a Metis board.
http://communautemetis.informe.com/search.php?search_author=Michelle&
I don't know if he's Abenaki or not, but I don't see any of what he's doing as having any relation to Native traditions.
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Oh Horseshit! anyone got a UK schedule for this guy?
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"Evening of Clairvoyance and Mediumship"? - that ought to put his right from the start in the fraud category but I guess this is as good as place as any to post this faker. I keep expecting someone to start using Mesmer rods
http://www.anton-mesmer.com/hypnosis.htm
with a NA nuance to it ( 3 Feathers Mesmer...?) and advertise and conduct healing sessions, all for a few hundred dollars per session of course, there being enough nit-wits and fools around to buy into it, just like this nonsense.
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Many thanks for your helpful replies - I'll post more info about his UK schedule as it becomes available. I sounds as if this chap belongs in the "Frauds" section...
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Absolutely!.IIC members on the NAPFS forum take note what we have here is the classic blend of nuage "Indian persona and mediumship paganish BS that the laws have been changed to counteract.As soon as this individuals schedule is available I would be grateful for the posting thanks Julia.
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http://www.edelsteinkeller.de/4652.html
This part of the German site shows photos; the first one is a photo of Paul Moore and Martina
http://www.edelsteinkeller.de/18510.html
"In September, Paul Moore, a medium/healer from England and known from press and TV, will be our guest at Edelsteinkeller. If you want to learn more about Paul, please visit the following website: http://paul-moore.org/ Those who weren't here last time, Paul will be accompanied and translated by Martina. For a first impression please look at photos.
Healing Session, 30 minutes
Please arrange appointments
Energy balance € 40
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Private Channeling, approx 1 hour
Individual Session, please arrange appointment
Energy balance € 80
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Private Card Reading, approx 1 hour
Individual Sessions, please arrange appointment
Energy balance € 65
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Past Life Regression
Individual Sessions, please arrange appointment
Experience in meditation is a prerequisite
Energy balance € 80
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various workshops
Deep Vision (guided meditation)
Date: [no info]
Energy balance € 50
This is about deep vision, you get into contact with your spirit leaders,
spirit helpers or with deceased persons.
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Advance Vision ( guided meditations)
This is the follow-up of Deep Vision, Shamanic Healing is taught
Date:
Energy balance: € 75
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Cave Healing ( guided Meditations with Healing)
This is about healing for yourself or another person, the illness must be
known.
Experience in meditation is a must.
Date:
Energy balance € 100
Please bring blankets, cushions, and food.
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NEW
Past Life Regression
Guided meditation into earlier lives
Date:
Energy balance € 70
Experience in meditation is a must."
www.paul-moore.org/clairvoyancepromotion.htm
Just from a quick look at his site, I noticed several words in British English spelling (honour).
And I found two sites still advertising Moore as Abenaki:
http://www.visitnortheastengland.com/site/whats-on/a-z/p
"Scott Williams is a medium who was born in the north east of England. Paul Moore - Also known as Paul ( Bear Paw) - is half Irish and Abenaki Indian who hails from Massachusetts in the USA."
http://www.bwynorth.org.uk/links.htm
"Paul Moore (Bear Paw)…raised in the traditional Native American Abenaki way of Dreaming and Visioning is here to share with you the “Ancient Way??? of being able to turn a conscious thought into a reality. You can learn how to manifest your desires and wishes simply by a thought or through your own will. Paul now lives in Darlington"
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Looks to me like he has the wrong idea about visions and dreams. He puts a different twist to it.
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I was quite shocked to read this information about Paul Moore. I have met paul many years ago and to me he is a very kind person, who does loads of charity work to try to help other. Julia has never met paul apart from one email contact where she insulted him and asked stupid question, Paul replied to her very politly and she had the chance to meet him, sadly she didnt take this oppurtunity.
I dont think it is right to say that someone is a fraud if you have never spoken to or met this person. She could have got the correct information she needed on Paul's website instead of listening to someone's false information or oppinion. So what is her game?
I am a healer myself for many years, and it is very stereotipical to say that Paul is a fraud or a fake as I know that he is a genuine healer. I would like to send love and light to brighten up not just her life but everyone who dosent know Paul and who writes false things about him.
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So martina are you native?
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No i'm not but im very familiar with the native american culture.
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I dont think it is right to say that someone is a fraud if you have never spoken to or met this person.
I, for one, don't have to step in it to know that it's a pile of sh!t. ::)
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No i'm not but im very familiar with the native american culture.
Define "very familiar". What reservation did you grow up on, or visit regularly. How many true Native Elders have you spent meaningful time with? What stories were you raised with as a child?
Reading books, playing dress-up, attending false ceremonies snd the like to not equal legitimate intimate knowledge. Oh yeah, and there is no such thing as "the Native American culture". There are hundreds, and all are different. If you were truly "very familiar" with any of them you would know better than to say something so ridiculous.
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No i'm not but im very familiar with the native american culture.
Which one??
Pretty broad statement. Last I heard Abenakis don't like people selling ceremonies in their name either.
This wouldn't be Martina Moor would it? The Martina advertised on Paul's website??
You may have to challenge your assertion that he's tellin' you the whole truth Martina. Frauds don't hang out in dark alleys and wait....they go out and advertise right in front of everyone. Charity work is often used as a method of advertising their services or drawing in others. It gives them an impression of credibility.
Pay attention to some facts....he's claiming Abenaki and selling "Dreaming and Visioniong" for a price. Abenakis don't charge for things like that and what is "Dreaming and Visioning" anyway?? Pretty broad title.....someone pays the price and he does whatever he thinks their looking for and calls it "Dreaming and Visioning" and YOUR helping sell that.
There's a few other obvious things that let people know he's not telling the whole truth. Don't buy it....
He should take the "Native American" out of his selling points for his clairvoyance workshops. As for yourself, Martina, you may want to examine your familiarity with Native cultures....there's not just one.
Superdog
P.S. His website says he was a Life Coach from '03 to '06....that's quite a jump from Life Coach to medium. Listened to the CD....everything there is only Paul Moore's impression of spirituality nothing more....it's only loooosely based on ideas about some Native cultures.....some of its downright wrong...i.e. "Native Americans have no thoughts...they're tought by their mothers and grandmothers not to have thoughts...this is the way of dreaming." Then later he says "The Native has one thought, one thought only...the thought of health" To which, as a Native raised inside my community, I respond...ARE YOU FOR REAL!?!? WHAT??? ;)
He doesn't speak for all Native Americans and his claims to do so are fraudulent. As a self-help guru.....i'd give his rating a D- for overgeneralizing everything about Native cultures and being obviously oblivious about the true nature of communal and tribal specific spirituality.
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Matina,I HAVE met Paul Moore,he may or may not recall the native woman he referred to (incorrectly as it happens) as one of those political city types,i don't need to defend or decry him on this forum,i have looked this man in the eye and told him directly he is a fake,inclusive of his notions of shamastic degrees.Bottom line is,misguided folks are paying this guy for a service that does not exist nor would he ever be qualified to understand the sheer insult to the Indian peoples his actions present.The Indian Nations have a presence in europe and thanks to the diligence of the NAPFS forum and others,that presence will be felt by persons such as Paul Moore and others.
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My name is Paul Moore “Bear Paw???...
I have been told recently that I am on your site and after reading your site I have to wonder what makes a good person or a bad person in your eyes.
Many of you have questioned my being First Nation...and this you have right to do! I know only what my Mother and Grandmother has told me and that is my heritage on my maternal side.
“Superdog??? says that I am being vague...well he is right! Would it be better that I write and tell the stories of my Grandmother being kept inside to keep her lighter and that one of her four sisters refused and was raped for being what whites call a redskin...that is another topic should I tell everyone where the name redskin came from and how the whites skinned women and children’ no I think not; I would rather bring in the positive side of my culture. I explain to them about women and how they are the creator, and how they create throw their Moon time...would you have me tell ever one that the European whites also realised this and this is why they waited till all the men left the village and then when in to kill all of the women...
I was raised by a beautifully Grandmother who was born in the mid 1800s and told the truth, the good bad and ugly, I know the tradition that I was taught, and I live it every day.
I teach people to see their spirit, to walk with their spirit and to heal by their spirit. I teach them to live in the moment and not to have a thought that can deter their moment in vision. I show them through my peacefulness that they can also have peace.
I bring them to their death that they may live in peace, so that they can see what problems they may encounter, so that they can adjust their behaviours. Yes I do fluff it up and yes I do shorten it up...there is no way that a person can learn full in a day, three days or a week what is a way of life, but they can learn to be at peace within themselves and with others.
This is to Zoi Lightfoot: I have read your print and I dispute this Zoi...no person has ever said anything to me like that...you may have the wrong person Zoi. Remember that lying in the world of a first Nation person is the worst crime of all in all bands and Nations. Look at my picture again on the website Zoi because there is a new one, maybe you have the wrong ugly face in mind.
To give references that I have peace with Zoi if you are truly from the European continent are Hawks Shadow, Cherokee who is in New Mexico presently, Peter Searching Owl, Mohawk who lives on the Mohawk trail in Massachusetts, Chief Little Feather western Cherokee and living in California and Russell Two Feathers Shaman, living in Oklahoma last I heard.
I have to question why your forum is questioning my right to be “Bear Paw???, I was given this name and I was given my truth of life by my Mother and Grandmother. I was given the good bad and ugly of all of my life, both Irish and First Nation. You see, both Grandmothers lost at least 4 to 6 million of their people...but yet they each taught me to be positive. I could run a website www.paul-moore.org that is hatred towards all white or Europeans, but that would defeat what my Grandmothers have shown to me; I respect the old way too much to do that.
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Couple of things.
1) I am Mississippi Band Anishinaabe
2) i am an attorney
3) you are a fraud,to repeat what i told you in connection with anything remotely Indian.
4)do you have a lawyer if you want to call me a liar again?!!!!!!!!!!!
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My name is Paul Moore “Bear Paw???...
1. Would it be better that I write and tell the stories of my Grandmother being kept inside to keep her lighter and that one of her four sisters refused and was raped for being what whites call a redskin...that is another topic should I tell everyone where the name redskin came from....
2. I was raised by a beautifully Grandmother who was born in the mid 1800s and told the truth, the good bad and ugly, I know the tradition that I was taught, and I live it every day.
3. I teach people to see their spirit, to walk with their spirit and to heal by their spirit. I teach them to live in the moment and not to have a thought that can deter their moment in vision.
4. I do fluff it up and yes I do shorten it up...
Hope you don't mind, but I added numbers to make it clearer what I was responding to.
To start with, the Tontospeak you choose to write in gets in the way. It's also insulting, racist, and doesn't sound a thing like any NDN I've ever heard. So kindly quit talking like the worst kind of racist old western movies.
1. If this story is true, it's despicable for you to use a tragedy like this to try and avoid responsibility for your actions.
And if it's not true, it's a pretty despicable lie to tell.
2. If your grandmother supposedly was born about 1805, that would make her 150 to 160 years old when she was raising you. And that's not even counting the teenage years.
OK, maybe you meant 1850. Then you're still asking us to believe she was 100 to 110 years old. You didn't have parents? Aunts or uncles? Cousins? Only someone supposedly 100 to 160 years old?
I may regret asking that, because something tells me you'll go into another unlikely sad story done to win sympathy and avoid telling the truth.
3. If that's what you teach, it's Nuage nonsense that doesn't have a thing to do with any NDN tradition.
4. Oh wait, here you admit to being a Nuage fluffy teacher of falsehoods.
If you are Abenaki, you don't know a thing about your traditions from what I can tell, and you shouild be ashamed for spreading these lies.
And if you aren't, that still means you shame your ancestors with your lies.
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Sorry Zoi I didn't insult you... And to the other question my Grandmother was born 1861 and she died in her 90s and I am mid 60s. Have peace all of you...I hope that you all lose anger in your life and gain knowledge of what your heritage was realy about...Thanksgiving is coming up soon and that is what life is about...
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My name is Paul Moore “Bear Paw???...
I have been told recently that I am on your site and after reading your site I have to wonder what makes a good person or a bad person in your eyes.
Many of you have questioned my being First Nation...and this you have right to do! I know only what my Mother and Grandmother has told me and that is my heritage on my maternal side.
“Superdog??? says that I am being vague...well he is right! Would it be better that I write and tell the stories of my Grandmother being kept inside to keep her lighter and that one of her four sisters refused and was raped for being what whites call a redskin...that is another topic should I tell everyone where the name redskin came from and how the whites skinned women and children’ no I think not; I would rather bring in the positive side of my culture. I explain to them about women and how they are the creator, and how they create throw their Moon time...would you have me tell ever one that the European whites also realised this and this is why they waited till all the men left the village and then when in to kill all of the women...
I was raised by a beautifully Grandmother who was born in the mid 1800s and told the truth, the good bad and ugly, I know the tradition that I was taught, and I live it every day.
I teach people to see their spirit, to walk with their spirit and to heal by their spirit. I teach them to live in the moment and not to have a thought that can deter their moment in vision. I show them through my peacefulness that they can also have peace.
I bring them to their death that they may live in peace, so that they can see what problems they may encounter, so that they can adjust their behaviours. Yes I do fluff it up and yes I do shorten it up...there is no way that a person can learn full in a day, three days or a week what is a way of life, but they can learn to be at peace within themselves and with others.
This is to Zoi Lightfoot: I have read your print and I dispute this Zoi...no person has ever said anything to me like that...you may have the wrong person Zoi. Remember that lying in the world of a first Nation person is the worst crime of all in all bands and Nations. Look at my picture again on the website Zoi because there is a new one, maybe you have the wrong ugly face in mind.
To give references that I have peace with Zoi if you are truly from the European continent are Hawks Shadow, Cherokee who is in New Mexico presently, Peter Searching Owl, Mohawk who lives on the Mohawk trail in Massachusetts, Chief Little Feather western Cherokee and living in California and Russell Two Feathers Shaman, living in Oklahoma last I heard.
I have to question why your forum is questioning my right to be “Bear Paw???, I was given this name and I was given my truth of life by my Mother and Grandmother. I was given the good bad and ugly of all of my life, both Irish and First Nation. You see, both Grandmothers lost at least 4 to 6 million of their people...but yet they each taught me to be positive. I could run a website www.paul-moore.org that is hatred towards all white or Europeans, but that would defeat what my Grandmothers have shown to me; I respect the old way too much to do that.
Hello Paul,
I don't think you're a bad person. In fact, I think you're more confused and misled than anything...you found a schtick that people will pay for in an area where they won't question where the info comes from and it works for you and you're resisting anything that might change that for you. None of that means you're bad...it means you're human just like me.
But let me explain my position as it pertains to what you are doing. I think it's WRONG on many levels that you would take the stance of speaking for ALL Native Americans in order to sell your personal spirituality/clairvoyance materials. Your CD should be taken off the market immediately. The information in there isn't remotely correct when you frame it as "Native Americans do this, they think this and they act this way." It sells CD's and seminars I'm sure, but at the expense of all the people you claim to represent. What are these poor souls supposed to do when they feel empowered and think they are very familiar with Native American cultures (as Martina does) and then decide they want to explore that with real Natives.....they end up with a cruel awakening that the things you say don't fit into reality. Native people are not as you describe them....the reason is, your personal knowledge of Natives is very superficial combined with the information taught by your Mother and Grandmother and you get a very mixed up cocktail of information confusing your clients with what they want to be told rather than the truth.
Sell the clairvoyance workshops, but take the references to Native Americans out of it. You don't speak for us all and you actually make life harder here in your efforts. So the end product of your vague teachings is that you hurt an entire race of people for the benefit of a few lost souls who want a quick fix to their lives and think they just have to spend money to do it.
The story about your Grandmother and her sister is a sad one indeed and if it was intended to draw sympathy then it works, I feel very sympathetic towards them, but that story doesn't at all justify what you're doing and it's very bad taste to use their pain in order to divert the wrongs you're doing. What you may not realize is that you're talking to Native people here who were raised in their culture and sadly we all have similar types of stories, but to bring them up in this discussion is beside the point and isn't remotely on topic and I would never publicly speak of my relatives tragedies in order to make myself look important. You might owe your Grandmother and her sister an apology.
When it comes to your name, you admit on your own website that your name is not "Bear Paw", but is "Healing Hand of the Bear", but you've forgotten how to say your name in Abenaki. I don't dispute that you were given that name....but if you're gonna use "Bear Paw" to reference "Healing Hand of the Bear", but you don't know how to say either in your language THAT should let you know how far you are in your spiritual journey. In fact, it's a huge clue.
If that name was as truly important to you, there's no way you would've forgotten it. That name was given to you to be a part of you forever and you chose along the path of your life to go away from it. When it was convenient you turned back to it. The identity you chose in life is Paul Moore, when you forgot your name you also left behind your Abenaki roots. If you want to step back into Abenaki life your journey would start by discovering what your name really is and that would involve learning your language. It isn't gonna happen overnight, just like we don't become life coaches overnight and life coaches don't become mediums overnight as you've outlined in your bio page.
The truth of the matter is you can only claim to speak about what your mother and grandmother taught you and when you speak of Native ways you should be truthful about that. Vague descriptions like "For natives, our mother and grandmothers teach us only to think one thought" only confuse people. It doesn't enlighten them, in fact the confusion in the end makes it darker for them. That statement should read "For me, my mother and grandmother taught me only to think one thought"
There's a few other glaring truths you seem to not consider....you were taught your ways only by women. Abenakis are patrilineal. The men play an extremely important role. You don't have that information so you are only teaching women's ways. Men trying to live like women will find nothing but confusion in their lives and you're taking their hand and leading them there.....straight to confusion.
Also any information on Abenaki spirituality are not at all complete without including Gluskap. If you don't know who that is you really, really, REALLY need to stop what you're doing and go and find out. Not to find something else to sell, but to hear the true message of those stories. They'll teach you that what you're specifically doing is wrong (yes they cover the areas of pride and overconfidence) and what the outcomes will be.
So yes, sell the clairvoyance workshops, teach self-help, but don't reference anything Native in doing so.....those things don't mix and your own words prove how little experience you have there. Being Native is not a selling point to sell CD's, books or workshops. Your grandmother's and her sister's tragedy should not be either and should definitely NEVER be referenced in order to divert discussion away from what you're apparently ignorant about. It's certainly sad indeed that you did that.
You have a way to go Paul...teaching things as you've done has done nothing more than arrest your spiritual growth and if you continue as you've been doing you'll be stuck in that limbo forever and miss what your mother and grandmother intended for you to find.
Superdog
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I hope that you all lose anger in your life and gain knowledge of what your heritage was realy about...Thanksgiving is coming up soon and that is what life is about...
*speechless*
(OK, I'll try)
A "holiday" that celebrates the betrayal and genocide of NDN people is "what life is all about" to you? So, are you celebrating the ancestors who were kind to the confused and starving white people, or the white people who repaid their kindness with evil and destruction?
Actually, it's a perfect analogy to the cultural misappropriation and spiritual genocide exploiters use: Exploit what few gifts you've been given by kind people from another culture, use them to make yourself feel better, and then stand aside or support enthusiastically as their culture and way of life are damaged by your actions.
By selling fake NDN wisdom and ceremonies, you are the most recent incarnation of those white invaders who benefited from the kindness of the Wampanoags here in Massachusetts. It doesn't matter if you have a bit of NDN blood, by selling a misrepresentation of NDN ways, you are just passing around the spiritual version of smallpox-infected blankets.
Happy Genocide Day, dude.
Sick.
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Paul,you've got a selective memory "dude",you HAVE met me,told you then not to mess with our diverse cultural beleifs,homogenizing them into some nuage shamastic practise's.
I do not need a history lesson from you as to the losses sustained by the Indian Nations,some of us are the front line troops seeking restitution in the international courts so get over yourself.You did insult me but hey no matter i take it you don't want to prove me the liar you claim I am?.
If you want to realy impress me and our other relatives and friends on this board,give me the name or names of the Abenaki elders and spiritual leaders who SHOULD have taught and qualified you,I will put them in touch with MY elders,and MY elders can tell me if I am wrong about you,not you or them is that clear?Your references are Mohawk and Cherokee plus one you haven't identified whom you've not got a clue as to where they are.Why no references from Abenaki elders....cannot speak for shaman or the like as they are not my culture...or the Abenakis as far as i am aware.
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Hi Superdag,
I will take to heart what you have wrote and very well matter of fact, thank you. I also will remember to be the transformation...(:>) I do know some words Superdog. It was just to easy as a boy growing up in an irish neighborhood to forget my name...my first language was Canadian French but I can't speak it but my Sister can. Like Abenaki, French is a distant past...so you are right my friend...but I have never forgoten my Grandmothers lessons of life, respect and healing...
I have to stick up for my self in just a little bit though. I have never given the negitivity of life or of my family to any group or person, I was only given a dwelality "an example" to you, my website is positive always...I will try and redirect on the website the sugestions that you posted to me within the coming week. I do teach the male aspect(s) of life Superdog...but as we know each aspect has its place in healing and in life.
I do teach in the way my Grandmother taught me Superdog, if this is wrong then more people than either one of us can count are healed through it. we all are taught by our closest mentors Superdog...arn't the Saint Jo Natives, "Abenaki) healers that heal from a different method?
Are you Abenaki Superdog? By the way, could you email me?
Zoi...I think I do remember you now...only because I contacted my clairvoyant partner and 4 people from the pub that night in question, and he contacted 5 others.
You were the 5 foot 9 or10 blond lady with a twenty year old or so Bueatiful daughter. My business partner said that you were looking at both of us and said some stuff like """you have not gotten any name right and some thing about a pregnant girl going into the hospital sooner..."""You then left messages on my guestbook on my website that were not nice...you see Zoi, Scott thought those were for him and that your coments on the night were for him because he directed the coment to the girl who was pregnate...His comments were that you will be going to the hospital very soon, and she did go to the hospital 4 weeks early and almost lost the baby; Scott knows this because he did a party for her a few months later and he was the one who got all of the name wrong, I got one wrong.
I came to you in the audience just before the half break and said that I have some one next to you with flowers and to be that close it must be a husband in spirit and you said in front of your daughter that, you only wished it was your husband...then I remembered, [Personal insults deleted] and I stopped and said I would be back to you after the break and I never came back because of [More insults deleted] and what you said in front of your Daughter.
I would give you a free reading anytime just finish off what I wanted to say Zoi as long as [Yet more insults deleted].
Lots of love to you Zoi
[Al's note: We don't allow the kinds of childish personal insults in here you keep using. Kindly knock it off. Hypocrisy does not help your case.]
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A so called shaman is not exactly a good character reference....
There are more than a couple Russell Two Feathers, but this looks to be the most likely one.
Russell Machen with his partner called, what else, Rolling Thunder. Not even original.
http://thoughtsforliving.tripod.com/index.html
More tacky than offensive. I have no idea why they chose a web address that sounds like a porn site.
http://total-pleasure.tripod.com/
And his wife "Soft Whisper" wrote a novel about her hubby.
http://a_shaman_speaks.tripod.com/id1.html
It does seem like Moore and Machen both were able to pass as white when younger, but came out as NDN later in life. They also have some strange habits, Moore of passing off Nuage nonsense as NDN, and Machen of mixing in some self help and Christian evangelism into what he claims is NDN thinking. And both of them talking about generic Indian rather than any one tribe's culture.
Searching Owl is a flute player in New England.
As for "Chief Little Feather", well, there are lots of toys and role playing game using that name. But no real people I could find unless you go back a couple hundred years.
Could you tell us his legal name?
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Thanks for making me laugh, no I never dressed up and my parents are not great story tellers, sorry to dissapoint you.
I didnt feel the need to tell you all that there is more than one native american culture, because it is just common sense.
Yes I did get info from books, from the internet, and from speaking to different people because I myself am not native american so where else would I recieve this information. I collect info for the last 20 years. I believe it dosen't matter how i explain myself as many of you will just twists words however i say anything. Many of you just use this site to get rid off their bad language, I was taught to respect and to be polite unlike some of you people who only listen to your side of an argument and who think that their opinion is above everyone else's.
Thanks for all your information, but i like to judge people after i have met them and not by info over the net.
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Good morning Educatedindian,
Little Feather is a woman and she stepped down from her post about five years ago and her name is Barbara Smitheron...Could be a misspelling of her last name though.
Peter Searching Owl puts together the inter tribal gatherings in the Western Mass, NY Mohawk trail area, he had just begun to play the flute a year or two before I moved to England.
Russell Two Feathers is a real nice man, you shouldn’t bad-mouth people you don’t know EducatedIndian...
You show no respect which is not the First Nation way my friend. You seem to be on a witch hunt crucifying everyone in sight who is not like you; it’s a good thing that our forefathers didn’t feel that way when they adopted tens of thousands of Africans into their Nations and tens of thousands of Chinese into their Nations back in the Mid 1800s when they were to week to build the railroad across the USA. One survey even has it that 1 out of every 125 people in the USA have First Nation blood lines...
I would hate to think about what you feel about Black Elk and thousands of others that try or tried to show peace and love in their teachings.
If you’re checking on Hawks Shadow she also goes by the name BJ Bear Claw, she has a PHD in Native American Poetry and Studies.
Bad mouthing people is the same as casting aspersions or spreading lies..please do remember that earlier statement I wrote about what lies meant to First Nation People.
Just because you have your truth it gives you no right to force it onto others. Yes your website does have a place to stop those that are abusing the name Native American to gain whatever, but your website gives you no right to abuse people that have a legitimacy and that show respect and growth to individuals.
I have been calm and rational while I have been BBQed on this website and I have answered everyone with respect as I am doing to you and I have never lied. I take on board that I have to change my website not to include all Native Americans and to be more specific. Where you all are wrong is when you tell me that I don’t know what I am doing...have you taken a workshop? Have you heard me speak in a lecture hall?
You question my learning and my upbringing and how much I learned from my Abenaki Relatives, You have no right in doing so, but you do have a right to judge me on my being a good person or a bad person if you know me personally.
You have had no complaints about my workshops or my healing, yes you had a query about me in my clairvoyance and that was explained in my previous post on this website. I have done the same thing since I was in my twenties back in the USA my friend and never a complaint. This website casted barbs at my doing charity work also...someone said that I do it to gain business; not so...charity work in the European communities have strict rules about this that there cannot have advertisement laid out or around...What gives this website the right to judge what is in my heart. I do 6 to 10 charity events a year my friend, I offer terminally ill people healing for free. There are at least 2 out of every 10 people in my workshops that are free because they can’t afford it; this is in England, Germany, Belgium and Holland.
I don’t ask you what you are doing to better our world! My world is transparent for all to see with nothing to hide. Just remember my friend; we are all here to make a difference, to give people the hope of happiness, to give people the hope of healing so that they themselves can start the healing on themselves.
Thank you for listening, and have a sparkling day
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Hi Educatedindian,
I was just mowing the lawn and it dawned on me that it is not "Little Feather" but "Little Star", I always called her Barbara...so check away.
Paul
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Blond? nope as i said,mississippi band Anishinaabe,5'9" ish,ha,i wish nope you've got the wrong person this time as i said selective memory.I think it would be fair to say that those who do know me and recall me in any way will be rolling on the floor wetting themselves at the notion i am almost six foot and blond.Still doesn't change the fact I will let you slug it out with the pagans re the Shaman tag,but as far as anything remotely to do with Indians,your a fraud.in that you have no qualified standing to SELL what you do to non Indian peoples.And lastly,do you seriously think I would pay to attend one of your medicine shows?..I repeat.GET OVER YOURSELF.
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Ps My SON,is not very happy being discribed as my "beautiful daughter" either,but he can fight his own battles...next fanstasy story please.
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I collect info for the last 20 years.
But if you are collecting mis-information, what is that worth??? No one is attacking you or twisting words around. If you're not even NDN, then what are you looking for? I still stand firm on what I said about where your intimate knowledge comes from, although I like how Superdog said it better. SD is not rude and doesn't twist things, so go back and read SD's posts to get a better understanding of the intention behind what many members of the forum are saying.
Do you put this much energy and effort into studying your own culture? Do you communicate with your own ancestors in their own ways?
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Yes Superdog did place the words with grace,expressing all that was felt .Sadly Martina your friend wasn't listening.I have a quwestion for you this time.If you have been reading up on Indian cultures for the past twenty years,how many of those books were written,edited and published by recognised and reputable members of the Indian Nations?
Why would your friend create an enitre insulting fantasy to get out of answering a simple question,which is "What are the names of the Abenaki elders and spiritual leaders who taught him?"That validation IS something he would need to claim the postion he does.To be honest given the fact he discribes a native woman with a son and a step son as,5'9ish with a beautiful daughter and as having a conversation with him that i am far too direct to ever entertain,I don't hold much hope for his "voyent"abilities either.
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Hello again,
MatoSiWin, hello... Martina is only being responsive to all of your attacks on me. She is very much into her culture and her Father even taught her and her sisters and brothers the old German way and language, plus he was a healer from the old way in Germany and was very renowned...like me she doesn’t remember the old German like I don’t remember my Canadian French...but with me, I was beaten by my Father because he thought that we were talking about him behind his back, that’s why I don’t remember Canadian French and Abenaki.
She does put effort into what the old German way of healing and herbology, she is very good matter of fact. Superdog has his points though but these don’t apply to Martina, she heals like nobody you have ever seen, plus she is a Reiki Master, Teacher and Educator. She has studied Native American because of her thirst for knowledge of healing so don’t bad-mouth a Lady who wants to learn to heal others.
Zoi Lightfoot..., first of all if you are who you say you are where did I meet you because you don’t live in my mind!
You apparently have a mad-on over me that has excited your community and now you are directing your comments to Martina towards me. I learned my Native-ness from my Mother’s side, her uncle’s Grandparents and social friends who moved from The providences of New Brunswick and Quebec into Vermont in the USA...there were almost a hundred old ones and young ones and all in-between Zoi.
Zoi...you say that you are a lawyer, and you say that you know me...well...an accused man has a right to know who his accuser is so please enlighten me Darlin since I have answered everyone’s questions to date honestly...who are you and where did I meet you that you have a problem with me???
If you can’t answer this then you are just abusing me and any one of the people off of my website...right
Love ya Darlin
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Hello again,
MatoSiWin, hello... Martina is only being responsive to all of your attacks on me. She is very much into her culture and her Father even taught her and her sisters and brothers the old German way and language, plus he was a healer from the old way in Germany and was very renowned...like me she doesn’t remember the old German like I don’t remember my Canadian French...but with me, I was beaten by my Father because he thought that we were talking about him behind his back, that’s why I don’t remember Canadian French and Abenaki.
She does put effort into what the old German way of healing and herbology, she is very good matter of fact. Superdog has his points though but these don’t apply to Martina, she heals like nobody you have ever seen, plus she is a Reiki Master, Teacher and Educator. She has studied Native American because of her thirst for knowledge of healing so don’t bad-mouth a Lady who wants to learn to heal others.
Bad-mouth? Show me one example of where I bad-mouthed anyone? I simply asked a few relevant questions, based on a statement Martina made regarding being "very familiar with the native american culture", in her attempt to defend you, the subject of this thread. I don't care about what anyone believes one way or the other, until they start selling it to others and attempting to profit on a culture that isn't even theirs to begin with. However, if it makes you feel any better, I would object just as much to your attempting to sell and profit off of Native American spirituality or culture if you were a full-blood. That's when I start to get personally concerned. If a person is so adept at the old German way of healing, then why not sell that? Why feel the need to claim all this Native American power? I'll tell you why. Because "the old German way of healing" doesn't sell. But NDN beliefs and practices are appealing to all the middle aged white folks out there who are struggling with their own lack of identity and their own distance from the Earth and her inhabitants, and they want what they don't have, so they will pay out for it. These people are misguided... but people who cater to them and take their money are misleading. Both are wrong, but one has an even greater degree of accountability. For once, I would like to see someone who is confronted by true NDN people about what they are doing say, "Hey you know what. You're right. This is wrong." Then change their actions and join in the effort to stop the selling of culture and spirituality, and to help get the message across that it IS possible to admire and respect a culture without having to appropriate it.
This is a lesson that WILL be learned, either the easy way (by listening to THE PEOPLE", or the hard way (when the Spirits themselves intervene). Many people have had their entire lives ruined because they mettled in things that had no real understanding of. But that's OK.... those who feel "entitled" to use anothers culture as a way to line their pockets and feed their egos, are also entitled to face the consequences.
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hello MatoSiWin ,
I have had enough now, I hope that no spirit ever comes and teaches you a lesson, I do not sell native american healing, I do not sell german healing, my healing has always been free to everyone who needs it. You dont know me or my knowledge so dont judge it. The way you talk about people is disgusting. You can not bring your point across without using bad language, respect and politeness should be important regardless what background you come from, because you and Zoi Lightfoot abuse this site to share your bad language.
Hope you will THINK before you reply again!
Love martina
hello Zoi Lightfoot ,
If you have ever met paul what is the reason for not telling paul where and when you met him, is this all just a big game to you. If this conversation was important to you, you wouldn't make such a big secret out of it. Your vocabulary is very disgusting. I hope you didnt learn this from the native americans. Why can you not bring your views forward in a better manner. Everybody can share their experiences, good or bad, but do it in a nice way. Learn from it. But dont drag other people down at the same time.
Choose your words wisely next time.!
Love martina
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I was referring to "Bear Paw" selling ceremony as evidenced by the pricelists posted previously, unless you didn't understand that by quoting Paul, I was responding TO PAUL. I even brought the subject back to him being the original subject of the post. Not everything is about you. Sheesh... did you even bother to read what I said? Bad language? Where??? I went back and re-read my post, and don't see anything.
As far as Spirits coming and teaching me a lesson, there are things I do to avoid just that from happening, such as not claiming knowledge I do not truly have or charging a fee for people to benefit from any claimed powers. Again, I am not saying YOU do that... re-read what I said. It was a general statement, and there is no reason anyone should find it offensive as there is evidence of this happening with other plastic "shamans" and their followers in the past. See: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=634.0
I am more than capable of bringing forth my viewpoints in a respectful polite manner, and as a general rule, that is what I do. If I were to get truly mean and nasty, as you say, believe me, it would be glaringly obvious, and I would do so in PM, as I don't aire personal issues in public. But that will not happen in this case, because I have no personal interest in you. I simply spoke of my feelings regarding those who... ahhh forget it. You obviously don't read what I say anyway, and what you do read, you assume is an attack on you, so what is the point?
Reminds me of that old Carly Simon song... "You're so vain... you probably think this song is about you."
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I did go back and re-read my first post in response to Paul, and apparently I was under the impression that Paul AND Martina were both into the German healing thing... I stand corrected, I can see where the part I said about the "old German ways of healing not selling" seems as if I am referring to you, Martina. I was referring to Paul, but realize that is inaccurate as I read too quickly and when he said "he was a healer from the old way in Germany and was very renowned...like me she doesn’t remember the...", I mistakenly grouped the "like me" with the preceeding words rather than the following words. Either way, my point regarding calling something healing or spiritual "Native American" and then selling it for monetary gain and guru-like ego boosting being WRONG still stands. Nothing you can say will change that. And not all things are a matter of opinion, regardless of the wasicu teachings you and many others no-doubt were raised with. There really is a clear delineation between right and wrong in some circumstances.
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Thank you for apology,
but from my view its like you think that only your way is right. We do different things but it dosent mean that i am wrong or that your wrong , there just different.
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I was only apologizing for my misinterpretation of what Paul meant by "like me", not for anything else I said. And it's not MY way that is right. In some things it is absolutely OK to do things differently, but in other things, such as selling ceremony, it is wrong, period. Not just because I think so.
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She is very much into her culture and her Father even taught her and her sisters and brothers the old German way and language, plus he was a healer from the old way in Germany and was very renowned...like me she doesn’t remember the old German
Oh? What's his name? I have friends in Germany, both Germans and Americans that are living there that could verify that for me. If he's "renowned" then he shouldn't be too hard to track down. What part of Germany? Which old German language? What dialect?
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Paul: Abenaki elders names please.
Possibly the name of your lawyer because for someone who doesn't want to insult,your not doing too good.and here is another mindblowing thought for you I HAVE NEVER visited your site .
Martina do you seriously want to keep butting into a matter which Paul could solve by giving the names of those elders who must have taught him to do what he does,or do you just want to keep on attacking indians who question what goes against the grain of every diverse cultural belief they hold?
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Oh? What's his name? I have friends in Germany, both Germans and Americans that are living there that could verify that for me. If he's "renowned" then he shouldn't be too hard to track down. What part of Germany? Which old German language? What dialect?
dear wyrdbrew,
I hope you understand that I will not expose my fathers details without his permission. This matter has nothing to do with my dad.
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Ps My SON,is not very happy being discribed as my "beautiful daughter" either,but he can fight his own battles...next fanstasy story please.
Dear Zoi,
I have never and I will never attack indians. I do respect ALL indian cultures. You are the one who talks about battle and attacking, so please do not twist my words. Why need a lawyer if you can fight your own arguments. I dont care who you pull to bits, I dont like the way you do it, and i'm sure after Paul you will find someone else to critisize. I wish you all the best for the future.
Martina!
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hello MatoSiWin,
Suprise Suprise. You can not even apologize. Please could you let me know your meaning of "Wasicu Teaching", none indian teaching, because there are different meanings for this word. I do not want to change your views of this discusion.
Martina
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Paul AKA Anke,
The post you did as Anke was deleted. It was spam, identical to the last post you wrote to me. Would you explain why you have two IDs in here now and why you are spamming?
More importantly, would you put aside the show of hurt feelings and playing victim and just answer the questions put to you by myself and others?
Barbara Little Star Simeroth is leader of the Cherokees of California, a heritage group that teaches people with distant Cherokee ancestry, and also helps people who believe they are Cherokee trace any possible ancestry.
Why you claiming you know a Cherokee on the other side of the country is supposed to convince us:
1. Your claims of being Abenaki
2. Your claims of being a medicine man and psychic
3. Your claims that selling ceremony and phony versions of Native beliefs are somehow OK
Why these references are supposed to convince us is not clear at all. You don't even know her name, but she's supposed to vouch for you? I suspect you don't know her very well.
The same with your "shaman" friend who is actually a Christian minister (or perhaps lay preacher). I doubt you know him very well either, esp since you misrepresent what he is.
Incidentally, Black Elk was Catholic, and much of the book was actually Neihardt's words, not Black Elk's.
And to Martina also:
Could you put aside the show of hurt feelings and playing victim and answer what you've been asked? Any personal arguments, you need to take to private emails.
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sorry for the mistake i made,but i have some problems with the english language and that s the reason why it went wrong yesterday.I read all the things about Paul (Bear Paw)in this Forum and it makes me sad.I know him and i he is one of the most wonderfull people i ever met in my life.
If some or all of you have knowledge about healing or healing energy you also should know that the way you talk about Paul is far away from respect.Love and respect are only 2 things wich are very important.Think about and listen to your heart.
love and light to all of you
Anke
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Matina,first of all perhaps you need a small education about how indians speak to and with eachother before you judge me,my son can fight his own battles because he is a grown man capable of speaking for himself,Indian peoples do not tend to have someone else speak for them.So mind your manners please.if you want folks to believe this guy is in anyway Indian.
Unfortunately I DO accociate with the Abenaki as well as other communities and Nations,due to my UN work and the europeon based consular facility OWNED by the Indian Nations(of which I am its current legal director)See I am waiting for Paul to simply confirm what i already know the answer to.That is WHICH Abenaki Elders and spiritual leaders recognize him.Its not rocket science,its a very Indian question being put to him,which oddly niether he or you who has "read up on our diverse cultures" seem to have a basic grasp
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Direct question here Paul,and i am just the messenger this time.
Question:
"Who is your Chief? and what is your tribe?"
That comes from
Chief April St Francis Merrill
Abenaki Nation.
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Zoi, I have no idea...I have ways been around my hundred of so relitives and family friends that migrated down to Vermomt after the crap got to heavy in Canada... until they, (the older ones) died...maybe you could introduce me to new ones when I come to the USA very soon. I would love to meet you there when I come over. All I know is what I have been taught Zoi, whether that differs from you that is the question...whether that difers from the Abenaki Shamans that you will introduce me to that is the question. Maybe we all can learn from one another to make healing in our world Zoi.
Have a sparkling day
Bear Paw
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Good afternoon everyone,
First of all SuperDog, I don’t need another id or name to use on this website so accusing me of such just adds to this website abuse, I use my own name always...I said from the beginning that I would be honest as I expect from all of you guys, but unfortunately I am not getting, but I don’t mean you Superdog, you are strait forward at least which I respect. But I do have to tell you my friend I did not change a thing on my website for you; I do it once a month no matter what and I put the CD on and off as I feel.
I am finally getting upset with all of your website’s garbage; I have answered all of you queries and I don’t intend on answering any more after this last transmission.
You seem to have a rational mind Superdog even though you thought that I sent in a message from a different name ID or user name.
I have to tell you that all attempts and entries into websites are recorded on the webmasters logs like on my website; these data’s can give IP numbers and from the IP numbers email address can be seen and I would never be other than who I am my friend.
I have never shown anything but respect on this website and if anyone disputes this have them go back and read my transmissions again.
I have told the website that I am who I said that I was and have given reference even though you didn’t like a couple. I can only state what I know and who I am my friend. The only elders that I knew or have known are long dead...take in respect that I am in my 60’s and the only ones (cousins) that are around have spread out throughout the USA or back up in Canada...but I do have an Irish Aunt that is 99 yrs of age in a care home and not on any Meds and gets in daily punching fights with her fellow residents...If you want her number I am sure that she could set you right because she hates everybody including Natives, Americans, Blacks, Orientals, and everybody but her self...does she remind you of anybody Superdog?
I have given you my reference(s) names and where they can be found but yet you still have not given me yours even though I have asked...I even asked the name of my accuser and where we had a meeting, but yet no reply...what kind of judgement is this Superdog!!!! I have only shown you people of this website courtesy and respect, and yes I have told several off politely when they have been out of place only because I feel that this website has a place on the net and I don’t want to see it shut down.
I know this website has been in legations before for libel and I don’t want to see it happen again. I tried to end this peacefully Superdog but I may not be able to do so, so I have to apprise you that the person on the website that is privy to law should inform you on the website about the laws on International terrorism...they are same thing as in the USA.
To give you an example my friend: anyone who cast an aspersion onto another that my disrupt their life in any or fashion not to live a normal every day existence across state lines or international borders. Anyone who stocks another by looking for their addresses or schedules from across state lines or international borders. Anybody who defames another for purpose of gain whether it is financial or to be just a butt-head to gain importance or otherwise for their own benefit across state lines or international borders. Anyone that puts fear into another to make them change their daily business or schedule...which this website has done because I personally would have never entered into a hatred website like this in my life before being told that I am on it and in question. And last but not least because I have more so please ask the lawyer of your website...the fact of bullying and enslaving, that’s right enslaving...making someone do what they don’t want to do, but yet they do it just to live across state lines and international borders.
All of the above is punishable in the USA courts and internationally!!!!!!
To defame a person is the worst crime in life everybody...please pay attention to what you say to anybody and what you accuse them of.
I only know what I have been taught by my elders which are long gone. I know that when I was born they asked me not to be numbered like most of you...those that are looking for numbers only want to be some one.... Yes, by the way, I can be numbered if I wish...Think my friends, do we have self-determination; when I left the USA in 03 or so we didn’t.
What you should be working hard on is, why you have to be numbered! Why is it that a person with one drop of black blood throughout the world is considered black race? And why is a person with one drop of oriental blood is considered yellow race?
What you should also consider again is the number system...You should ask yourself why am I being numbered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You should be asking yourself why President Bush’s Father is living on rez ground in the State of Maine, you should be asking yourselves why old man Bush, Clinton and Young Bush collects Native heads and why they defiled graves to the tune of several hundred thousand.
If you want to know of my ability to be clairvoyant Superdog...I have read on your website of a Orval Looking Glass so I asked Spirit to tell me something that maybe one of you knows but not me so Spirit says that he has a woman in his life with the same name as me but feminine so it must be a Paula or a Pauline, or if he ever had a woman in his life with that name(s)...I would have no way of knowing this my friend.
Dream well my friend and end it; I will wait a few days but I will not respond to see if the query of my existence, Martina’s and Anke is done.
Aho everyone go in peace
Paul Moore “Bear Paw???
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Hi Zoi,
Actually Zoi, I do remember my uncles and Aunts before they died talking about were are finally going to have recognition and laughing about the Rez police stopping the Governor and his police at gun-point and his name was Chief St Francis...is this his Daughter or Wife? Is he alive still, I know they showed me a picture of him and he was a big man...I know that I am wide and big but he was a lot bigger Zoi If memory is right it was in Springfield Vermont I think...maybe I am I don't know...
Aho Zoi, for bring back that memory
Bear paw
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I'm interested as why you're attributing everything said on this board to me?? I haven't said or accused you of the things you've mentioned here on here but you called me out in bold letters. What's your motivation there?
Are you saying that I'm Al Carrol the website owner (page id EducatedIndian)???
I actually had a really good post laid out on this subject. None of it attacking you, but unfortunately I took so long to type it the board logged me out so instead of posting it it asked me to log in again and when I did...it disappeared. Oh well...it happens, but I think you probably would've been somewhat pleased with it...after this I may have to reconsider some of the thoughts I had in there.
Reread my posts. I've never said that you sent a message from a different ID. That was EducatedIndian. I haven't questioned or even mentioned the individuals you put forth as references. I don't have a website so there's no way I could mention Arvol Looking Glass on it. On top of it you've accused me of defamation and felt the need to inform me of international terrorism laws.
You've confused me with someone else. If anything I've been someone who has tried to hear your side and give you mine with respect and see if there's a common ground of understanding to be found.
I can't say I really appreciate being accused of something I haven't even come close to doing.
Superdog
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As for the Paula/Pauline reference....I'm confused. Was that supposed to be a testament of your clairvoyant abilities???
If it was aimed at me, then I'll inform you that I don't have any woman in my life with the name Paul/Paula/Pauline or anything close to it.
Superdog
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Paul,i don't "know ANY Abenaki Shaman" a point thats been missed by you all along.Secondly I didn't ask the question as is,the Abenaki Chief did,but there you go speaking vague again,The one thing i can tell you is if any indian cop or not stopped a gov and his "police force" with guns,its not a laughing matter and thats a checkable incident.
So lets get this right you claim to be Abenaki,yet your relatives were happy they were "going to be recognized?"You don't know the band or tribe you are from but you still state you are Abenaki,yes?So I take it the answer i am to take to the Abenaki Chief is "you don't know"yes?Just like to clarify that before i do so.
I do however think you owe Superdog an apology,as you have not been attacked or treated with anything but reasonable curtosy by Superdog. and by the way it was me that questioned your Clairvoyant skills not Superdog.Due specificaly to your oversight that i am a blond indian with a daughter.The next time the legitimate members of the international community get together,I will be sure to let them know you want to meet me "again"I may not live up Durham way but its not that far,better still i will send you deatils of the gathering of our nations in the uk next year when the dates been finalized as we should have the Abenaki (and others) chief present.
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Hello everybody,
I had read for the last days all the postings about Paul Moore (Bear Paw).Now my opinion.
I have met Paul 11 month ago and I am very proud to know him ,he is a absolutely honest
Man.For all things I have learned from him and that was many , I have paid nothing.
Love and peace for all.
P.S excuse my englisch, i am german.
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For all things I have learned from him and that was many , I have paid nothing.
Going by your e-mail address, I take it you're organizing events with Mr Moore in Germany, so yes, you probably didn't pay him, you were making money.
Mr Moore also mentioned Ms Martina's father being a healer in an ancient Germanic tradition and a man of high renown, while Ms Martina doesn't want to give us any more info.
I should imagine that a healer of high renown is already known all over Germany, so his name is public matter anyway.
But I'd really be interested to learn more about this 'ancient language' Ms Martina's father taught his children. How ancient will this be? Anyways, the language is quite well documented, so for anyone interested in 'Althochdeutsch' or earlier Germanic dialects prior to the emerge of any common German language, there is enough material available, and these languages are researched and taught at most universities in Germany. However, no matter whether we are speaking of 'Althochdeutsch' or other languages - they have ceased to be spoken languages and being in use for several centuries or even longer. And any speaker of contemporary German will not be able to understand or speak ancient forms right away. Some even have difficulties understanding the bible translation of Martin Luther nowadays, and similar as Shakespeare for the English language, the Luther Bible is said to be the first written document in contemporary 'Hochdeutsch'.
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1. First of all SuperDog, I don’t need another id or name to use on this website so accusing me of such just adds to this website abuse, I use my own name always...
2. I am finally getting upset with all of your website’s garbage; I have answered all of you queries and I don’t intend on answering any more after this last transmission.
3. I have never shown anything but respect on this website and if anyone disputes this have them go back and read my transmissions again.
4. The only elders that I knew or have known are long dead...
5. I have given you my reference(s) names and where they can be found but yet you still have not given me yours even though I have asked...
6. I know this website has been in legations before for libel and I don’t want to see it happen again.
7. I have to apprise you that the person on the website that is privy to law should inform you on the website about the laws on International terrorism...they are same thing as in the USA.
8. To give you an example my friend: anyone who cast an aspersion onto another that my disrupt their life in any or fashion not to live a normal every day existence across state lines or international borders.
9. Anyone who stocks another by looking for their addresses or schedules from across state lines or international borders.
10. Anybody who defames another for purpose of gain whether it is financial or to be just a butt-head to gain importance or otherwise for their own benefit across state lines or international borders.
11. Anyone that puts fear into another to make them change their daily business or schedule...which this website has done
12...the fact of bullying and enslaving, that’s right enslaving...making someone do what they don’t want to do, but yet they do it just to live across state lines and international borders.
All of the above is punishable in the USA courts and internationally!!!!!!
13. To defame a person is the worst crime in life everybody...
14. What you should also consider again is the number system...You should ask yourself why am I being numbered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15. If you want to know of my ability to be clairvoyant Superdog...I have read on your website of a Orval Looking Glass
16. ....so I asked Spirit to tell me something that maybe one of you knows but not me so Spirit says that he has a woman in his life with the same name as me but feminine so it must be a Paula or a Pauline, or if he ever had a woman in his life with that name(s)...I would have no way of knowing this my friend.
17. Dream well my friend and end it; I will wait a few days but I will not respond to see if the query of my existence, Martina’s and Anke is done.
This has become downright comical.
1. As Superdog pointed out, we're not the same person. I've never met him, and he hasn't been at NAFPS more than a year, while I've been with NAFPS for eight years and live overseas.
We don't sound at all alike and our IDs are very different, so I have no idea why you confused us. All those multiple IDs and contradictory claims of yours make you think everyone else is as confused as you.
2. "Transmission"? Please tell me you're not wearing a tinfoil hat.
And you've gone out of your way to not answer most questions.
3. Yeah, I think you have your hat on.
4. "Elders conveniently dead" is a pretty standard Nuage tactic and claim.
5. I'm assuming you're asking me and not Superdog. Who I am is all over this site.
And actually, you never asked me before this post.
6. Actually we've never been sued or been in court. "Legation" means something else.
And I take it you're trying to bluff us with yet another empty lawsuit threat. That hasn't worked before, won't work now.
7. You insult the geuine victims of terrorism when you claim that asking a question equals "terrorism." You should be ashamed.
8. Technically, you are guilty of this when you say these things to Superdog.
9. So you think picking up a phone book is "terrorism"?
10. Is that the legal term they used in Guantanamo? "Detained indefinitely for being a butthead"?
11. I imagine we have changed your business schedule. Your psychic and ceremony selling business is probably suffering and you're scared of having to find a real job.
Guess what, it's called protest.
12. "Enslaving"? Do you realize you sound downright loony, like you need professional help?
13. Obviously you never heard of murder, rape, genocide, etc.
The world's smallest violin is playing a song just for you.
14. "Numbered"? Does anyone have any idea what he's talking about?
15. "Orval Looking Glass"?! ROFL!
Thanks for the belly laugh!
Nice to show all of us how out of touch you are with NDNs, not to mention reality.
16. That's nothing a google search wouldn't turn up. Some "pyschic"....
17. Martina and your likely sockpuppet Anke are done? I'm guessing they take orders from you.
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Yes Ingeborg that is right I make money with my shop.
Have a nice Day
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Hi Superdog,
I do apologise deeply...everything I said wasn’t for you but a few little ones were. I said that you seem to be a strait forward person, and you seem to have some influence on your website so I posted the whole thing to you but I didn’t mean it to be aimed at you, and again from the bottom of my heart, I am very sorry. I felt that you had enough calmness to talk to everybody else about the issues that I wrote...
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Claudia,while i am pleased that Mr Paul Moore has such a loyal personal friend in you who would give testiment to his honesty,it all pretty empty for the puropse of this furum,as the Abenaki Chief in Vermont contests Pauls claims directly.
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Hello Zoi Lightfoot, it is only my opinion,I respect your opinion.
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Hi again Zoi,
The Chief in the State of Vermont can say whatever she or he wishes...when my relatives came down to the USA the Abenaki were not recognised on that side of the border and my relatives were a community among themselves. Zoi, and yes...Chief Francis and his police did stop the governor...to prove a point and I will look it up for you.
Here Zoi, I did find the article(s) that I said...you are a real pain Lady...I have spent forever to prove you wrong on this Darlin,I knew it was Chief St Francis that Elders talked about.... I find it hard to believe that an Abenaki Chief has not heard of her own Father Zoi...
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4FUJE_en-GBGB298GB298&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Abenaki+chief+in+the+1990s&spell=1
http://www.cowasuck.org/obits/st-francis_h.cfm
http://www.aaanativearts.com/wabanaki/names-for-abenaki-indians.htm
And to the idiot that said that it is convenient that my relatives are all died... I wish to God that you were a man in front of me now...maybe someday My friend.
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Hi again everyone,
I ask you all too please direct your questions to me since I have German Ladies such as Anke and Claudia responding now...and no, I didn’t ask them to.what I said for a Chiefs name is invalid when I have prove it just
I can handle as you have seen most anything...except when someone attacks or makes light of my Mother and her relatives being conveniently dead and not here to valid date my life....
Remember, the German girls have to take awhile to read the interpretations so please stop all of this ...it is a whole day to read a simple paragraph, so put yourself in their place, they are speaking in a foreign language...OK!!!
They may buckle-under like Claudia because of belief or trust when she said you know your beliefs...maybe it is her lack of understanding of what you are saying, or belief in what you are saying is right...IE: the bit about Zoi saying... the Chief said that it isn’t so...well it is so!!!!
Anke is a pit-bull, and would have you all for lunch if you were in front of her. Claudia in her own language would cut you all a new butt-hole if she knew what you were saying...and I respect them so much...But you can pick on Martina because she is a Warrior...
As for me, have free...because I have answered everyone, and I will always validate my birthright of Native Abenaki...
Love ya all at lot, and Please don’t attack my relatives anymore or else I won’t forgive so easily.
Aho to everyone and have a sparkling day
Bear Paw
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Chief Homer St Francis,is the Chief YOU refer to,he sadly passed away several years ago.His child?,is the very same one you show such disrespect to at this juncture.That being Chief April St Francis Merill,of Swanton Vt,not Springfield some three hours away from the Abenaki Nation,I am sure if you were to ask them directly,they would also tell you,that while some Abenaki left Vermont to go to Canada,the Vermont Abenaki never left "Missisquoi"
Also they would further inform you that the Abenaki do not have a reserve in Vermont,but they are State recognized having fought for over 40years to obtain that.
Let me be clear,NO ONE has insulted "your" relatives, furthermore no one knows who they are,you have been asked to give the names of the persons who taught you Abenaki ways to warrant being promoted as an Abenaki Shaman,because like it or not,people are paying to see an Abenaki Shaman/clairvoyent.
This forum has the right to know if the Abenaki Nation themselves accept and confirm your position as "Shaman" and/or in doing so validate the paid clairvoyant practises you meld it with.
It is not my business how the Abenaki do or do not respond,except to say I will uphold whatever the Chief of that Abenaki community determines.
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you are a real pain Lady...I have spent forever to prove you wrong on this Darlin,
You know, the condescending, sexist, faux-endearments aren't winning you any points, either.
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Remember, the German girls have to take awhile to read the interpretations so please stop all of this ...it is a whole day to read a simple paragraph, so put yourself in their place, they are speaking in a foreign language...OK!!!
How unfortunate you picked persons having so much difficulty reading English correspondence. A paragraph in an entire day, and even a simple paragraph at that? Okay then, we will be writing very slowly since we know they cannot read fast (in German translation for your sidekicks' convenience: Wir werden auch ganz langsam schreiben, weil wir wissen, daß ihr nicht schnell lesen könnt). Does Claudia e.g. know you just called her somewhat stupid saying 'if she knew what you were saying'? Claudia - he thinks you're so thick you don't know what we're saying [Claudia, er schreibt, daß du so doof bist, daß du nicht weißt, wovon wir reden!] As to who may be a pitbull or whatever, let's get past bouts of national stereotyping, Paul, and be polite: the ladies don't know what you're saying about them, and it's not nice to be talking like that into their faces, even if they don't grasp enough of the conversation.
And oh my, oh my, Paul .. the German girls ...
- you're associating with minors?! If these persons are of an age that doesn't merit the term 'ladies', this does not sound too good for you, now, does it? Or was that another bout of condescending sexism and mysogynie on your part, Paul? A clairvoyant should have foreseen this does not go down well.
Their age and their apparent and unfortunate lack of language skills probably considerably contribute to their falling so easily for your tales: they simply don't catch what you're telling them. This does shed a somewhat strange light on you. Speaking about this: weren't you claiming clairvoyance? And you didn't pick up one of your conversation partners here is not English? Oh well.
Guten Abend to you, too, and have a very nice evening at that.
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Thinking more on the "girls" and "Darlin'" stuff...
For a man to presume to repeatedly direct terms of intimacy at a woman he is being hostile to is a boundary violation. It is also an act of attempted dominance, with romantic/sexual overtones. To me this is a serious red flag, and bears watching. "Creepy" is about the mildest thing I can say about it.
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Ingeborg
Thank you for the translation, but I understand the conversation very quick.
I don't know what Paul think above my englisch.
Have a great Weekend.
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If you ask for my personal opinion about the Darlin routine,then yeah its way too familiar,but then again I could also take it that Mr Paul Moore has actualy publically threatened me with violence in the form of this friend Anke,who is unfortunate enough to be discribed as a pitbull.I could respond childishly with the "bet my friends have got bigger teeth than yours routine" True,but achieves nothing except my descent into stupidity.Mr Paul Moores own words speak for themselves he has said as much,and Ladies deep respect but i think we know what thats about huh?.
Then this is just my personal opinion.I have no arguement towards Claudia,she clearly stated her position and she knows mine,which she says she will respect and therefore i show her the same curtosy.I am however disgusted that her friendship could be trashed so easily and so disrespectfully by Mr Moore,but that is a matter for her to determine not me.However given how he speaks of a Chief from his alledged nation...I am sadly not suprised.
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I could also take it that Mr Paul Moore has actualy publically threatened me with violence in the form of this friend Anke,who is unfortunate enough to be discribed as a pitbull.
Yes, the addition of threats of bodily harm to the mix of misogyny and forced intimacy is particularly spiritual. Very enlightening. I hope any women who have considered going to him for readings or ceremonies take note of his words in this thread.
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If I may, I would like to tender a comment or so. Normally I am content to just read and watch and I only post when I feel that I can contribute in some small way. If I am correct in my interpretation of what I read so far this person Paul Moore is preforming for money and he is adding some sort of Native American ceremony in conjunction with some non-native cultural activity. He is claiming to have been taught by some Native Elders of a tribe from which he claims descent. He has not been forthcoming with his bonafides as any normal lecturer would. Simple, If you apply for a job and claim am MBA from Harvard would you not be prepared to show your diploma. I know I sure would. Bet that Educated Indian has a PHD somewhere on his wall. Zoi correct me if I am wrong on this but as I understand it Native American spirituality is an every day lived in walk. Everything that one does is flavored by this fact. I may be incorrect in this but it is also not evangelistic in it's practice but it is not exclusionary for some one who is or becomes a part of the culture. One thing I continue to wonder about. No where have I ever found in my relationships with my Native American friends where it is ever all right to mix ceremony. If he is so doing then this is wrong. Would a Southern Baptist Pastor be invited to say Sader at a Hasidic Jew's Passover I think not. I have also been told that ceremony incorrrectly done with a impure heart can turn around on the preformer. Thank you for allowing me to express myself on one of my pet peeves. "LittleOldMan'
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Thank you for the translation, but I understand the conversation very quick.
I don't know what Paul think above my englisch.
I wonder whether you do understand the conversation, since, in your next sentence, you say you don't know what Mr Moore thinks of your English. For your convenience, here's a translation of his above posting:
Remember, the German girls have to take awhile to read the interpretations so please stop all of this ...it is a whole day to read a simple paragraph, so put yourself in their place, they are speaking in a foreign language...OK!!!
They may buckle-under like Claudia because of belief or trust when she said you know your beliefs...maybe it is her lack of understanding of what you are saying, or belief in what you are saying is right...IE: the bit about Zoi saying... the Chief said that it isn’t so...well it is so!!!!
Anke is a pit-bull, and would have you all for lunch if you were in front of her. Claudia in her own language would cut you all a new butt-hole if she knew what you were saying...and I respect them so much...But you can pick on Martina because she is a Warrior...
"Denkt dran, die deutschen Mädels brauchen ne ganze Weile, um die Interpretationen zu lesen, also hört mal mit dem Ganzen auf.... es dauert einen ganzen Tag, bis sie einen einfachen Absatz gelesen haben, also versetzt euch mal in ihre Lage, sie sprechen eine fremde Sprache...OK!!!
Vielleicht knicken sie ein wie Claudia, weil sie glauben oder vertrauen, wenn sie sagt ihr sollt über euren Glauben im Klaren sein.... vielleicht versteht sie einfach nicht genug von dem, was ihr sagt [...] d.h. das, was Zoi sagt.... der Chief sagte, es ist nicht so.... naja, es ist so!!!
Anke isn Pitbull, die würd euch zum Frühstück verputzen, wenn sie euch gegenüber hätte. Claudia, in ihrer eigenen Sprache könnte die euch ein zweites Arschloch schnitzen, wenn sie nur wüßte, was ihr sagt.... und ich respektiere sie unheimlich... Aber ihr könnt auf Martina losgehen, die ist eine Kriegerin..."
As an aside: for writing in his native language, Paul has quite some difficulties expressing himself clearly. Or what did he smoke before writing that contribution?
Anyways, a man speaking about women friends in such a language as Paul used above shows that a) he doesn't know what real respect is, and b) doesn't respect you, or Anke, or Martina in the least. The performance he's doing here indicate he's a poorly educated mysogynist sorry little ar$e trying to take advantage of you, Anke, and Martina.
In translation:
Ein Mann, der in solchen Worten über Frauen spricht wie Paul sie oben benutzt hat, zeigt damit, daß er a) nicht weiß, was Respekt ist und b) daß er dich, Anke und Martina aber in gar keiner Weise respektiert. Die Vorstellung, die er hier abliefert, macht nur deutlich, daß er ein bildungsfernes, frauenfeindliches kleines Arschloch ist, das dich, Anke und Martina ausnutzen/benutzen möchte.
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Little Old Man,good to hear your voice again.the real problem here is the Abenaki Chief of the very community he claims to come from (least the only one in that vicinity)is now madder than hell with this guys attitude.Direct questions were asked,first by me in the form of "who taught you to be Shaman,specifically,of the Abenaki Nation,as any such training has to come from a recognized and current elder at the time.He has consistantly refused and avoided that question to give their names.Even those who have passed away are remembered and succeeded by the next generation of elders.
He speaks of Grandparents,Aunts and Uncles,now deceased but still no checkable names to validate his claims with the Abenaki.I very much doubt there is anyone on this forum who has no problem "naming" thier relatives and/or teachers.(regardless of race)
For this reason the current Abenaki Chief,"April St Francis Merill" put two direct questions to Mr Moore via myself in this forum,and that was "Who is your Chief?and What is your tribe"Mr Moore elected to go off on the tale of cops and res indians instead making reference to a "Chief St Francis".Yes is is a checkable incident that does exist as i stated in the relevent post.Chief Homer St Francis IS the Chief in question relating to that incident.He passed away some seven or so years ago,Chief April St Francis Merill is his child and the current Chief.Some one who he has disrespected to a level which does and should begger belief of all traditional peoples regardless of Nation.
People are not just paying to see a clairvoyent,when they sign up to his shows...there are hundreds out there who have a better grasp of the routine.They are paying to see an Abenaki clairvoyent and thats what has realy got the Abenaki mad,coupled with the fact he refuses to identify himself to them.Result,they don't beleive he's Abenaki and this guy is stupid enough to threaten an attorney,with someone he discribes as a german pitbull,also stating another who has not said so directly to me,is going to "tear me another asshole"For what exactly?" following the directive and lead from someone who would be his Chief should his claim be valid?.
Neither of these ladies have made direct threats to myself or anyone on this board,I cannot speak for everyone,but personally my arguement isn't with them.But if Mr Moore is the Indian he claims,then you would think he would know way better than go sic ing his europeon friends on a native woman.We can all behave like we are in the playground when the mood takes us,unfortunately for Mr Moore,I don't scare that easy.
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Zoi: Good Morning. I know zero of the Abenaki, their culture, or spirituality. I do understand when a person is attempting to evade answering due to possible purjured statements or false claims. For many years I have run into this type of person on the powwow trail. Full fledged card carrying tattooed members of the "Wannabe Tribe" they are. I market life insurance for a living, personal lines, so I must in order to make a living be thoroughly versed in reading people. I do not like what I see. Back after while. Grand kids here. "LOM"
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Let's see...
In his last several posts Mr. Moore has managed to be:
1. Sexist and condescending towards women.
2. Issue lots of angry statements weirdly mixed together with phony endearments.
3. Continues to hide behind relatives and exploit their alleged tragedies in a dishonorable way.
4. And to top it off, has issued no less than three not-so-subtle threats that he clearly wanted to be interepreted as violent threats.
"Tear you a new butthole"
"I wish to God you were in front of me"
"Maybe someday my friend"
(We'll leave these threats up because it shows your lack of character and hangs you far worse than anything else you've done).
Add these to the earlier empty threats of a lawsuit and the laughable claim he was getting us charged with "terrorism" for the "crime" of "making him change his routine."
Threats like these are all comical, since at his age it's not only very unlikely he could physically harm anyone, the threats make him look as ridiculous as if Clint Eastwood were to try and play Dirty Harry again.
Eastwood has stated publicly he has sense enough not to try. Moore can't resist the urge to make himself look like a fool and prove, yet again in so many ways, he doesn't have a clue about Native traditions or what makes someone an actual elder or medicine person.
The Abenaki would never entrust their traditions to someone so unstable and loony. No Native people anywhere would. You know it and we know it. Only a few Europeans don't know any better.
Mr. Moore, all your bluster still won't get us to change the subject, namely:
You have repeatedly lied about who you are and what you are.
You don't know a thing about Abenaki or any other Native tradition.
You are making your living unethically and offend the real Abenaki by doing so.
That includes you lying about and exploiting the memory of an Abenaki leader who has passed on. You are the only one here insulting the memory of the dead.
Incidentally, we are receiving a report, still not confirmed, that you were born in Britain. So were your parents. Explain, if you can.
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Good morning everybody,
I have just a few things to say and then you can have a nice day.
• 1 Only once did I get upset or lose my normal cool and calmness, and that was when I was told that it was convenient that my relives were dead...I don’t think to be convenient because I love them. I found it very easy to apologise to Superdog for misdirecting statements to him instead of who it was meant for...but I get no apology for what this person said. I have no idea if this person is a male or female. The statement still stands that I said because I meant no physicalness in it, but I would let the person know what I felt.
• 2 I have a right to be who I am be my birthright and nobody has a right to change my direction in life...which brings me to a little story about when I was a boy walking through the woods with my Grandmother. As we were walking I kicked a rock and she turned to me and asked me if the rock wanted to move, and I answered, I don’t know...and she said go back and ask the rock. So I sat for a long time and finally I heard the words “no??? clearly in my mind so I shouted out no, the rock didn’t want to move. My grandmother then said: don’t ever move a thing in our world without asking its permission first.
I feel that all of you are showing disrespect by trying to move me in my life, and i also feel that you are trying to make me conform to your rules as if it’s your game...well this is my life, my path and my birthright to be my Abenaki Grandmothers Grandson Paul Moore “Bear Paw???. Do you have any idea how many hundreds of thousand or more Native Americans that are just too busy to be involved with a chief or a cultural structure...plenty! Yet, they are Native Americans. Is it your aim to strip everyone in this world of their birthright when they have a right to it?
How many Christians in this world do not go to church and how many do not have a priest or a parish...please relate this last analogy to Native Americans! This same statement can be made of every race creed and denomination.
There were no organised Abenaki cultures back then my friends, because the Abenaki were drive back across the Canadian border when they came to Vermont. All of the men worked in the stone pits and a lot were brick masons and the women all worked the farms during the day.
This lack of Abenaki band or tribal structure and no bearing on them because they celebrated life among their own family structure!
They showed by example how a person should live in respect of all and everything in life; I cannot remember a day of my life were I didn’t see all of those adults around me not praying in meditation or vision...so I live my life in the same fashion.
The old ones meaning great aunts and uncles and Grandparents showed young ones how to dance with our Spirit and how to walk through life seeing our Spirit. They also showed the kids that would listen how to heal through Spirit...which I use daily to great success, just like my Grandmother did.
There is not a morning of my life where I don’t give thanks to everyone and everything in my life...yes, I even give thanks to this website of your because it is showing me something, maybe it’s showing me how not to be!
I have not lied once to this website, and as far as being a feminist I almost rolled on the floor laughing, because you have no idea how ridiculous that must sound to anybody that knows me...I am the total opposite my friends. As far as using the word “Darlin???...I use that word hundreds of times a day talking to friends that are adult, or children...I use that same word with my wonderful Wife and Daughters... That is a respectful word for me to give to anyone.
• 3 I have never defamed Chief Homer St Francis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I said that my Uncles and Aunts talked about him a lot but in a good way...they said that we, meaning Abenaki, are finally going to be recognised...I personally have never met the great man but the relatives knew him I guess. I respect everybody.
Since you like to spend time researching on the internet Educated Indian you ought to be able to find the part I said about his men stopping the governor, I found the search I posted in seconds about Chief St Francis...everybody on this website seems to take a statement a twist it around to suit their own purpose(s).
As far as my being English or being born in England, all you have to do is listen to my voice once and you would know that I have a North-eastern..New England USA/ Canadian accent...
Have a Sparkling day all of you
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Acualy,if those who DO actualy read on this forum read what i said about "checkable" Paul,then i was refering to the ONLY checkable reference to Abenaki you have given.NO ONE stated it was untrue,just checkable.YOU are the one who went off on a childish hissy fit about a matter of public note that does not determine you are Abenaki or not.YOU are the one who refused to answer the Abenaki Chiefs two questions and YOU are the one who accused said Chief of not knowing thier own father!
Your accent is irrelivent,I have met many First Nations peoples who have resided in europe for decades or just years who have aquired a europeon twang,equally i have met a lot of proven fakes who have US regional accents down pat or can mimic thier "prefered listening" language tapes down pat.You Sir do not behave or speak like any Indian,your attitude is more in keeping with a grainy western stereotype.
How ever,The fact remains that i am in contact with the Abenaki Chief and that Chief has clearly stated to me you know nothing of Abenaki history.So much so there is no doubt in my mind,the Chief will have or be contacting the Abenaki bands,having visited your site independantly "to get a look at you".
As for the sexist ignorance,that just has you coming across like some retarded muppet.Totally at odds with what "your" friends claim you to be.And lastly DO NOT play playground bully with me,if your Friends,whom you discribe disrespectfully as a pitbull,a warrior and someone who will "tear me a new ass hole"wish to play "my gang your gang with me,they are at liberty to contact me directly.If they want to play Nuage gangs in da hood with Indian peoples,then i will be happy to supply them with a list of my friends and relatives they can go battle with on your behalf.You are the one who threatened me with thier violence not them.DO NOT do that again! and thats the only warning you get is that clear enough for you?!
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Hi Zoi,
I didn’t threaten you with any one...I stated that...oh, go back and read it Zoi...it was in reference to if they understood what you were saying they would be their natural selves. Each one has a male a very large male energy...and tearing a new butt-hole is a very American saying...it refers to a tongue lashing...a telling off...
Zoi, if you are part of the Native American community here in England please email Hawks-Shadow, if you know BJ Bear Claw and everybody in the UK who is Native Knows Her...ask her if she knows me...look-up Hawks-Shadow on the internet and her website will appear.
You say that you know me Zoi but yet you have not answered a single request of mine...I have asked you where do you know me from...and to tell you from a common sense view...for you to hate me this much that you go on a witch-hunt you at some point had to have loved me...Nobody hates an individual as much as this Zoi...but still you evade my questions...
You have much too much hatred for me beyond this issue Zoi
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Loved you/hate you? nope now you are loosing the plot,lets see your clairvoyent skills (or lack of) have accussed me of
1) wanting my husband dead.
2) being 5'9" ish
3) blond
4) with a daughter.
5)wishing some miscarriage on some poor unfortunate UN NAMED woman.
You HAVE dierectly threatened me with the apparent violence of your friends,publically in this forum not only for members to see for themselves but the many Indian peoples who frequent this forum...inclusive of my family members,and close friends,not the brightest spark plug in the box are you?.
What you are clearly saying now is that your Grandmother taught you Abenaki ways,I take it your grandmother was a recognised spiritual leader of the Abenaki?What was her name?.BJ Bear Claw,would that be the BJ Bear Claw that appears at the Mind body and spirit festivals decried as a hot bed of shamastic nuage practises in the UK by the noted elders and spiritual leaders of our nations?YOU are being promoted as an Abenaki Shaman.WHO gave you that title exactly,and if its not something bestowed on you by the Abenaki Nation,why did you not correct it as protocol requires?
Thats got nothing to do with personal emotions,its got everything to do with getting an honest answer for the woman who originaly posted to this site.I suggest you take some time to think about what YOU are going to answer to the Abenaki Chief and not have others answer for you.
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Hawks Shadow,discribed as a "Cherokee medicine woman" who reads "medicine cards" also at the Mind body and spirit festivals.Next reference please!.
Incidently I am not sure which Indians you know in the UK but the majoirty are members of the International Intertribal community and have been so for a lot of years.But I shall make a point of asking them if they recognise your Cherokee medicine woman.who like to play with nuage tarot cards.
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Hi Zoi,
I have all best regards for anyone who is Abenaki...Chiefs or normal people, as I do for all people whether they are Native Americans or other, which are too numerous to mention...You are always entitled to your opinions, and I am entitled to mine, as are everyone else in our beautiful world. I know that all Abenaki know the heart of the person and the drive of the person. Abenaki are original and not carbon-copies.
You mentioned clairvoyance and a statement I posted...if you reread it I stated that my Clairvoyant Partner and many others pointed out a person and incidences as you described. Please read the next message Zoi. Have a great day everyone...
Please do ask all of your friends Zoi if my Sister Hawks Shadow, BJ Bear Claw remembers if I walk my talk and heal people’s lives in the way of the old way...Please ask and never question again my healing ability and my being Native. You stated many times that you know me Zoi and I can’t believe that you would ever question me if you truly knew me...I have asked you so many times as my persecutor to reveal yourself and where we know each other from but yet you still refuse and hide behind your screen name...
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Zoi,
All that I mentioned is no different than what lack Elk, Fools Crow and Lamb Deer have wrote about so please stop all of this stuff. I am legally in my right to claim my birthright and to teach what I am teaching...what I ask is not to bring in others opinions of Black Elk because he is Catholic...this in itself can shut this website down...and it has been said on this website. Good bye everyone this is my last post absolutely...but maybe not the last time we talk to each other...
Have a sparkling day Zoi
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excuse me every one a type "o" happened and I said Lack Elk when it was meant to be "Black Elk"
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Is that the third "absolutely last time" he said he would post?
It's also a repeat of some other things he's done:
Spam- two spamming posts of his were removed, long rambling irrelevant posts mostly filled with articles that don't have a thing to what anyone asked him.
More vague threats- "This won't be the last you see me" plus his wishing a miscarriage on someone.
More sexism- This time him, in his own words, "roaring with laughter" at being called on his sexism. And the bizarre "wish she has a miscarriage."
More empty threats of a lawsuit, typical of Nuage hucksters.
More longwinded dull , d u l l, DULL rambling to try and distract people from him ignoring questions and being repeatedly caught in lies.
I suspect like many frauds who pretend to be psychics, he's in the habit of trying to put people almost to sleep, in a semi hypnotic or suggestible state.
I think we've had enough of his empty threats and complete lack of respect for NDN women (or any women). If he wants to post again, he has to apologize first. And grow up. Being in his sixties, it's long overdue.
BTW, Mr. Moore, your slip up on "tear you a new one" was revealing. You described Americans in the third person, accidentally admitting that you are not one.
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With respect Al,I ask you to hold the spam for me if thats possible?I may be needing it.
Hate to burst this guys bubble,but i don't use cyber tags my name IS Zoi Lightfoot,but then maybe he could impress us all by clairvoyently producing my Family/maiden name?
The fact remains for Mr Paul Moore,NOT ONCE has he given a name that can be checked with the current Abenaki Chief in the Vermont area,(where he states his family moved after "troubles"in Canada)Of the correct standing we all recognise who could bestow on him the title of Shaman.Given the fact according to his previous out pourings,he grew up there,he and his family would be known to the current Chief.
Instead we have had Mohawk and Cherokee names thrown at us as if we do not know no sovereign nation or state recognized nation will tolorate the instillment of an elder to thier nation by another nation.(its called colonializmn)
Mr Moore is also a tarot reader,so it is not suprising that his two latest references also dabble with this NON INDIAN,nuage nonsense.at the mind body and spirit festivals,funded by the Trinity Mirror group of publishers(the bain of every legitimate ex pat,given the racist,stereotypical content of reporting in these group of papers)
Mr Moore is not listening that much is obvious,99% of the vast community overseas,know or know of eachother directly,not one of them KNOWN to us can confirm Mr Moore is a member of the Indian Nations,let alone Abenaki.
I will however make this statement to Mr Paul Moore,"IF" you were the spiritual traditional,you wish your europeon fan base to believe you to be,then you would not be speaking in such "familiar tones"to any indian woman (or woman full stop)Most certainly not a married one.Tradition is not something you pick up and throw away when the mood takes you,nor is it something you bend and manipulate to suit your needs (bank balance) Your attitude and understanding of where the Indain Nations are today inclusive of thier diverse spiritual stands,are about 20years out of date.so lets try another thing shall we WHICH Abenaki community in Canada did your family allegedly return to from Vermont,what was the Chiefs name there?Provided of course you can apologize to this forum for your threats and half hearted knowledge of UK and US law as Educated Indian asked you to.
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More vague threats- "This won't be the last you see me" plus his wishing a miscarriage on someone.
More sexism- This time him, in his own words, "roaring with laughter" at being called on his sexism. And the bizarre "wish she has a miscarriage."
dear educatedindian,
i was lucky to read paul's last comments before you took it off, i can not remember reading about any miscarriage, but to be fair i might have missed it. please could you only publish the sentence to prove your information above in the quote. i would be quite shocked if he would ever write anything that you mentioned.
as you asked for an apology, have you ever apologized about the wrong things you said.
I still like to know if it is possible for zoi to answer where she met paul please.
no i am not writing because paul can not go on your forum, to make that clear. i have just come back from a short holiday.
i would be greatful if you gave me the information.
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Reply 22 paragraph 3 Martina read it for yourself!.
I take it "you" are the alleged "warrior" thats going to take me on according to your friend?Come from a family of em personaly,many of them pretty well known.Internationaly well known that is!.As is thier exacting personal histories...I suggest your friend "think" about that,and he will know exactly WHERE he met me and under what circumstances.
As for you I have nothing what so ever to say to you,until Mr Moore answers the exact questions he was asked without all the non indian sidetracking.
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Moore's spam posts were an article, unsourced, about the Abenaki chief discussing his protests against state troopers, and a v-e-r-y long dull irrelevant post with a lot of definitions of shaman and shamanism. If they'd had anything besides spam, the entire posts wouldn't have been deleted.
And I have nothing to apologize for. Unlike Moore's constant lies, sexism, and threats, I've done nothing and said nothing wrong.
In fact, by your standards, you, Martina, should apologize for lying just now...about me supposedly doing wrong.
I don't expect you will. I realize it's just another way for you and Moore to avoid the subject, that Moore is a fraud and liar according to the real Abenaki themselves.
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Scott thought those were for him and that your coments on the night were for him because he directed the coment to the girl who was pregnate...His comments were that you will be going to the hospital very soon, and she did go to the hospital 4 weeks early and almost lost the baby;
dear educatedindian,
i have no problem to apologize if i am wrong. so please read the quote, not ont word said that he wishes a miscarriage on anybody. if you can not read english properly, dont comment at all. stop twisting what people say, so i think it is only right you apologize for lying.
Paul AKA Anke,
The post you did as Anke was deleted. It was spam, identical to the last post you wrote to me. Would you explain why you have two IDs in here now and why you are spamming?
DID YOU APOLOGIZE? OF COURSE NOT!! YOU ARE SO ARROGANT AND IGNORANT.
What you do in this forum, is like a witch hunt, difference is witches knew they were hunted and your victims are unaware of what is happening to them. (I will make sure that will change). You victimise loads of people on this forum, without them knowing. So to me it shows that you are not familiar with people standing up for themselves because you do everything behind peoples back. I spend hours looking through your forum and it is disgusting how you try to destroy peoples lives. You may have started this forum with good intensions but you lost your way along time ago. I am not sure if what your doing is legal, but be sure I will find out. Wouldn't suprise me if I would be the next one who gets BLOCKED becasue this might be your way so nobody finds out the truth. Have a lovely evening, and please for once think.
Martina
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Scott thought those were for him and that your coments on the night were for him because he directed the coment to the girl who was pregnate...His comments were that you will be going to the hospital very soon, and she did go to the hospital 4 weeks early and almost lost the baby;
dear Zoi,
i followed your advise and read reply 22. I ask you to do the same and to make it easy for you the quotation is just above. not one word of wishing a miscarriage on anyone is there. You all dont like to apologise if you are wrong, you all twist words very easily when it suits you, maybe you should sit back and think about what you do to people without any proof. (not just paul) seems to me you lost the meaning of right or wrong. I wish you all the best and hope that you will change your ways of accusing people.
If you go against somebody, make sure you have proof that the are doing wrong. I know there will be people who lie about themselves to make money, I am a healer myself and I have met some of them but without proof, no charge and you should no that. I wish you all the best.
Martina
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Guess you don't read english too good huh?Paul was only half right then,I know about law you annoying pain! its what i deal with for a living tell us how do you feel about being used to threaten folks.Guess Paul didn't say that either huh? when you have a clue about anything remotely to do with "OUR" peoples and how when and whom qualifies to do what in our world,then and only then will i discuss this VERY confused individual with you.
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Martina: I think that I will weigh in on this just a little. Perhaps some clarification is in order. (1). This site is dedicated to the research and to the outing of those people who use Native American Spirituality in a way that is inappropriate. (2). Inappropriate is defined as misleading gullible people in some way as to part them from money or even in severe cases sexual abuse. (3). Native American Spirituality is a way of addressing the Creator and following what He has given as the correct way to live for that particular group "Tribe". What is correct for a Cherokee may not be correct for a Lakota. (4). It is extremely offensive for any one even a Native American to sell ceremony. (5). It also extremely abhorrent when what we see, are for the most part deluded unhappy people searching for fulfillment in cultures that they are not a part of and in no way can be or even understand. An Australian Aborigine would not have any understanding, as an example, of a High Mass in a Catholic Church. (6). Last but of all a most important aspect of a Native American Medicine Person no pay is ever asked nor accepted as it would be an insult to the Creator to charge for the use of a gift the he was given. I an trying to clarify in a small way why the people on this forum try to research and to identify those who in the opinion of the Native American Community walk a dangerous path. An offender does not have to worry about us so much but the Creator's opinion is not one to be taken either lightly or with disrespect. Martina I am not attacking anyone just attempting to explain. "LitttleOldMan"
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Thank you LOM for your words, the problem with people who tend to do these things without permission and acknowledgement from the native people is wrong.
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Dear LOM :)
Thanks for writing i really enjoyed reading your words, i do agree that some people who abuse their gifts should be stopped. i never charged for healing and i will not in the furture, people with special gifts have to help others. all i am saying is the way the forum trys to stop people doesn't seem the right way to me and i think there is a need of CHANGE!!! the language sometimes is disgraceful people are judged with little knowledge. i alway believed respect towards other people is VERY !!! important ! there is alot of anger on this site and i have learned the anger doesn't get you any further. i'd like to explain why i am interested in Native American Culture, as a young child i had a native women spirit coming in to my dreams at the time i was very frightened, i saw her many times after that in the years that had followed, Why ?... i dont no. she showed me different ways of heeling i still use the same knowledge she teached me. Do i do native heeling ?... i dont know to me i do heeling ... Just Heeling. So do you think i am doing wrong by using the knowlegde she showed me? she sometimes comes into the room i am heeling in. i dont know why she comes to me or why she showed me different things i am not Native American everything happens for a reason so i dont ask WHY any more.
light and love to you
Martina
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Martina: Let me try this a little differently. I am an ordained Southern Baptist Deacon and I am follower of Christ. If you ask my belief I will share it with you. My trust lies in the wisdom of the Creator to open eyes and lead as He sees fit. Your way is not my way. Just like the Lakota Pipe is not my way. Saying that, if I was at a Sun Dance or a Cherokee Stomp while it would not be appropriate for me to participate I could in all honesty and with a clear conscience offer up my prayers in support of the others It is not my place to judge how you relate to the Creator or to comment either pro or con on what gift you may or may not have or even how you use them. We who are of Native American blood have just seen too much abuse of the Native American Cultures and Spirituality. This is why this board exists and why we are so touchy. Too many times we find that unscrupulous people use corrupted Native American culture and spirituality in order to get power and money and in so doing abuse the trust of the gullible. It is therefore of great importance that the person under research be able to give specific reference to the Elders of his Tribal Group. Who are they and does the Tribe recognise them as such. It seems to me that unless a person is a fraud and a charlatan they should be pleased to be able to furnish this information as a validation of their authority. Every Physician has on his wall his medical diploma as does a lawyer hs LLD. As all ways I am "LittleOldMan"
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Scott thought those were for him and that your coments on the night were for him because he directed the coment to the girl who was pregnate...His comments were that you will be going to the hospital very soon, and she did go to the hospital 4 weeks early and almost lost the baby;
dear educatedindian,
i have no problem to apologize if i am wrong. so please read the quote, not ont word said that he wishes a miscarriage on anybody. if you can not read english properly, dont comment at all. stop twisting what people say, so i think it is only right you apologize for lying.
Paul AKA Anke,
The post you did as Anke was deleted. It was spam, identical to the last post you wrote to me. Would you explain why you have two IDs in here now and why you are spamming?
DID YOU APOLOGIZE? OF COURSE NOT!! YOU ARE SO ARROGANT AND IGNORANT.
What you do in this forum, is like a witch hunt, difference is witches knew they were hunted and your victims are unaware of what is happening to them. (I will make sure that will change). You victimise loads of people on this forum, without them knowing. So to me it shows that you are not familiar with people standing up for themselves because you do everything behind peoples back. I spend hours looking through your forum and it is disgusting how you try to destroy peoples lives. You may have started this forum with good intensions but you lost your way along time ago. I am not sure if what your doing is legal, but be sure I will find out. Wouldn't suprise me if I would be the next one who gets BLOCKED becasue this might be your way so nobody finds out the truth. Have a lovely evening, and please for once think.
Martina
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It's no witch hunt Martina they are just exposing him for what he is...a phoney! I know him well. Its true he has a Abenaki grandmother she was a good woman but no Shaman.She was a French teacher and a healer very dedicated to her Catholic faith..I feel sorry for you because he's mislead you. He is a fraud and knows very little about his real heratige, mostly what he has read in books and reaped from other peoples minds.He needs to just practice magic and quit trying to capitalize on the Native Americans heritage.These people have a right to be angry.
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Holy crow this has got to be the most insane thread I have ever read.
That being said I'd like to talk a little bit about Peter Giovi. That would be Peter 'Searching Owl'. He is a self proclaimed elder who operates out of the Charlemont powwow grounds. He is not from MA but from NH. He has a following of deluded people who believes the tonto-speak drivel that seeps out of his mouth.
I can write more about Mr Giovi But right now just thinking about him makes me totally irate. He is not a good person, he is not a nice person and he fully supports exploitation and individuals who find it acceptable to threaten women, children and elders.
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We both new him by attending his pow wows again he does not know him personally I recently traveled back to Massachusetts June and attended Peter's pow wow he didn't even know he had moved to the UK.
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Hi, Who are you referring to?
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Hi, Who are you referring to?
Peter Searching Owl
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Hi, Who are you referring to?
Paul moore and Peter Searching Owl