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Title: NO LONGER A MATTER OF CONCERN Ray freeland
Post by: earthw7 on March 09, 2011, 09:54:48 am
Anyone heard of a Ray Freeland from Dayton Ohio??
He called the tribe complianing about one of our enrolled members
he has no proof of Native blood but does ceremonies in Ohio?
Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: Laurel on March 09, 2011, 12:35:18 pm
Looks like he also goes by the name "Singing Bear"? He wrote a couple of guestbook comments here, but McAfee doesn't like the site, and he only wrote things like "great site."

http://www.snowwowl.com/Guestbook/guestbook.html

This Singing Bear Productions MySpace page is his:

http://www.myspace.com/fallenfeatherproductions

He doesn't claim Native blood there, but has some photos of Natives up.

There's another white, very Nuage "Singing Bear" in Fairfax, CA, who comes from Ohio and "is part Native American but does not flaunt it [!]," but his name is Tony something; they don't look to be the same person.

Ray's FB page

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000707802982

includes this: "About Ray:Went into the Army in 1968 finised in 1973. Wife says I left the better park of my brain in Vietnam. I now folllow the Red road and veterans issuses. I ma an independant tv producer with over 150 show under my belt and always looking for new ideaes."

Can't find any reference to his selling ceremony, nor am I qualified to comment on his Friends page (as to whether the people are Native or not, I mean).
Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: Camilla on March 09, 2011, 08:05:02 pm
Hi Earthw7

This is Camilla writing.

With reference to Ray Freeland, through Google I found that this Ray left a message in the Guestbook of www.snowwowl.com and indicated an e-mail address which is "singingbearproductions@gmail.com"
Then I tried "Ray Freeland Singing Bear" writing it in the Google bar: the first link you see refers to Myspace, where the first lines are written by this Ray, who is introducing himself (7 children etc. etc.) Unfortunately my home computer doesn't allow me to open the link....anyway I hope all this can be of some use for you.
Have a nice day!

Camilla
Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: Camilla on March 09, 2011, 08:11:04 pm
OOPS!! 
I just realized Laurel already found much more!!

Sorry Laurel!  :)
Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: Superdog on March 09, 2011, 08:51:48 pm
On the facebook page he says he was adopted into the Shawnee tribe.  Doesn't mention which one and seeing as it's Ohio there's a good chance it might be Pope Hawk's United Remnant Band.  Just my thoughts.  Everywhere else on the other sites he says he's white/caucasian.

Superdog
Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: Superdog on March 09, 2011, 08:57:00 pm
On the facebook page he says he was adopted into the Shawnee tribe.  Doesn't mention which one and seeing as it's Ohio there's a good chance it might be Pope Hawk's United Remnant Band.  Just my thoughts.  Everywhere else on the other sites he says he's white/caucasian.

Superdog

Got to make an adjustment to that.  It doesn't look like the URB at all.  This is another group.  One of the people he mentions on his page is a guy named Little Bear.  He's referring to Steven LittleBear who's fb page is here:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000747072943

In his description Steven says this:
"I'm Chief of the Tall Tree Tribe of the Piqua Shawnee Turtle Clan in Southeast Ohio."

A grandiose title definitely, but not a tribe.  There's your Native connection earthw...though not a real one.

Superdog
Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: earthw7 on March 14, 2011, 02:46:57 pm
He told me is was adopted Shawnee , adopted Inuit, and believes he has cherokee blood but cant prove it. He has requested that we contact a tribal member and make him stop interrupt his ceremonies. He says he make medicine bundles for people. I though sound weird to me
Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: Laurel on March 15, 2011, 11:04:55 am
OOPS!! 
I just realized Laurel already found much more!!

Sorry Laurel!  :)

No problem!  (-:
Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: E.P. Grondine on March 22, 2011, 02:15:28 am
I am glad somebody interceded here. And I thank all of you for the research.

There is so much obviously wrong here that it is hard to know where to start.




Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: educatedindian on September 24, 2011, 09:18:06 pm
Freeland contacted me with rambling complaints about slander and empty threats to sue.
First his email, then mine, then his, then mine again.

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I have been told that my name is on you forum. I looked and there it is. But to my surprise there is no way to reply. In this country all people have the right to face those who make charges about them. At this time I am looking into Filing civil complaints. all I ask is to respond.

Ray Freeland

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Hello,
Your complaint is both untrue and not very clear.
 
Anyone is free to join the forum. We always welcome any additional information which may clear these matters up.
 
If clicking the button clearly marked "Register" is too difficult for you figure out, we can post a statement for you.
 
As you can clearly see, there are no "charges" against you, simply people trying to figure out conflicting claims in a thread under Research Needed.

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Post this in a forum as yours with out proof under new age fraud is the same as saying it is true and the having to on Google for people to find. I have contacted the federal government and FCC I plane to file suit. But ii would bet that you would never give your true information such as your name address so please do so I would like to meet you here in federal court one of the people who post is on standing rock res. And is in either in admin office or the history as those are the only ones I spoke to to bad they have to lie and only tell part truths. But shame on you for not fact checking. There is an interesting interview on the net why don't you check it out as it deal with name removed. The person I call standing Rock about. I want to make sure that you can do this go to you tube in the such bar type in,( that's using the key board) Interview with Barbara Crandell. She tell of someone  who left his family on Standing Rock with no food. Now we here in the eastern wood lands call him the worm for no man would abandon his family. And if you ever get you fraud site up again I dare you to post this as it is the truth.

Ray Singing Bear Freeland

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Mr. Freeland,
I have no idea what you just said, and I doubt you do either.
 
To start with the FCC has no control over the internet. So if you have contacted them I'm sure you've gotten only some poor bureaucrat wondering why you waste his time and don't know the basics of the law.
 
I also have no idea why name removed is relevant to anything, or even who he is.
 
Once again, you are perfectly free to join and respond in the thread about you.
 
The only thing that thread did was ask questions because some people were unclear about who you were.
 
Any "slander" is purely in your imagination.
 
Again, if you are too lazy or just too dumb to figure out how to hit the button at the top of the NAFPS forum clearly marked "Register" that is not something we can help.

*edited to remove name*
Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: Smart Mule on September 24, 2011, 10:28:08 pm
He's giving a lot of ndn people in Ohio headaches. What he fails to mention when he tosses an individuals name around is that that particular individual goes back to Standing Rock and he goes back with a load of school supplies and stuff for the kids.  

There are two interviews (part 1&2) with Barbara Crandell.  The person who made those interviews also made one with Ollie Collins of the Tallige  :o

ETA:

The following was taken from an e-mail from Dr. Richard L. Allen:

The Overhill Villages are a creation of the anthropologists/archaeologists to identify groupings of Cherokee and were never acknowledged as such by the Cherokee. It has only been within recent years that individual such as Oliver Collins, Hu Gibbs, Richard Paugh, Barbara Crandall, et al have claimed to be descended from forgotten Cherokees called the Overhill band. However, none of these individuals have never been able to establish any legitimate connection to any of the three legitimate Cherokee governments.

It seems that some groups are aggressively appropriating an American Indian identity. Some are attempting to repatriate the bones of our ancestors to gain legitimacy with other non-Indians. In 1987, the Ohio group did conduct a "reburial ceremony" of remains (probably ancient Shawnee remains) that were turned over to them by officials of the Scioto County government. The group claimed to have conducted a traditional Cherokee reburial ceremony.

A videotape of news reports chronicles the event including the forty-seven, small caskets that are passed down by women, one to another, into a community burial pit. In the center of the pit, a fire has been built "to smudge" the burial area and the remains as explained by Oliver Collins.

Collins introduced Hugh Gibbs as the Principal Chief of the Etowah Cherokee Tribe (another bogus group) with whom Tallige Fire claims association. Gibbs oversees the re-interment "ceremony." According to Collins, Mr. Gibbs is a fullblood Cherokee medicine man. During this same time and on videotape, Mr. Collins claimed only to be a member of an amateur genealogical society,

But now claims to be the Principal Chief of the Tallige Cherokee Tribe.

Read more: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=870.10;wap2#ixzz1YudbHRiX

ETA:  I listened to both interviews.  I'm pretty disgusted, and not with the individual she's trashing.
Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: earthw7 on September 26, 2011, 01:51:41 pm
I see that the first thing non-native do is threaten to sue a person
Then they make demands and complain about how they are being
slandered, but all a person did was ask questions, the last time
i checked in american we can question anyone. It is our right,
we are not sheep who follow blindly.
I want to know how people can make up tribes and then make
demands, as anyone from native country can tell you
"Adoption does not give you the right to use our culture,
make medicine bundle, do our ceremonies all they do is
give you the right to the family who adopted you not the
nation.

Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: Smart Mule on September 26, 2011, 02:07:18 pm
Earth I agree with you completely.  It's a bit mind boggling that Ray Freeland can scream about filing complaints about 'slander', when he is doing the same thing to a person who is somebody who is an actual indian and doing good things for his community.
Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: earthw7 on September 26, 2011, 08:46:53 pm
Yes i know they demand  :o to have this person enrollment number which we dont give out
and asking all kind of question about him but when we ask question about them they want to sue.
There has to be some accountablity from these people who go around steal our culture.
Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on September 27, 2011, 03:39:01 am
I think when they jump up and scream law suit, it is because they know they are guilty.
Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: Smart Mule on September 28, 2011, 01:30:00 am
Earth, I wish there was a way to stop these people.  They just seem to get bolder and bolder.  It shocks me that they actually think they are legitimate and free do demand what ever the heck they want but how dare you ask anything about them!!!!

Critter I think you are right :)
Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: educatedindian on September 30, 2011, 05:32:12 pm
Freeland has been sending one email after another, each more hysterical than the last. Each time I keep asking for a statement with his side of it and get the hysterics instead. The first four are all from him. The last one is from me, finally getting fed up with him. If he wants these to be his statement, so be it.

And yes, that is actually exactly how his emails were written...

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bad that you and those that can post on yoou site hide behide other than you names ehy don't you say who you are then we can let the lawyers handle this. You let oeople post with out checking facts then post it on google. I may be bumb but Iam smart enought to be a TV producer and I really think you and your site will beone of my next shows. And I will let you know when it airs. The last group that hide therir IDs were the KKKK but I don,t think that evan they would have you. and as far as a fraud is a fraud.And you still can not join this site when you fix that then I will post as well as other people. j
Just posting my name under the heading of new age fraud has the implactions that that is what I am . I served this country for over 10 years is i
the Us a
army most of it in Vietnam where I reciveed many injuries. I belive in fredom os pe
so
peack but lies are not p
speach. so up on your name, but for some reason I don;t think you will

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 Simple fix the link let me know when it is done. As far s...well qns the iNDIAN CENTER IN COLUMBUS RUMER RUN ABOUND BUT i AM GIONG TO irs TO GET REAL STORY AND IF IT IS FOR FRAUD ARE YOU GOING TO POST IT,

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Unitl then remove my name as it is under the heading of new are fraud. and that is fraud unless you want to talk to a fredera; judge about it as that is how I showed.

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maybe not sued but shut down AND Ii DID SEND A POST OF WHEN YOU WERE SHUT DOWN AND FOR WHY. AS FOR ME THOSE WHO POST HIDE BEHIND INTERNET NAME NOT ONE HAS THE NERVE TO POST THEIR REAL NAME i KNOW ONE IS FROM STANDING ROCK. AND JUST HAS HER STORY WRONG. i NEVER SAID THAT I WAS ADOPTED BY THE INUIT. THAT IS MY ANSTORY. I AM ADOPTED IN THE SHAWNEE TALL TREE TRIBE PIQUA TURTLE CLAN. AND I ALSO HAVE OTHER NATIVE NATION THAT I AM STILL REACHERING

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We have had failed attempts to shut us down by frauds and exploiters.
 
None were successful.
 
So do you consider yourself to be in their company?
 
Is this the statement you wish posted? Or just more empty bluster with the caps lock on?
 
Anything else you want to tell us about "reachering"?

Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on October 01, 2011, 11:16:32 pm
He's a TV Producer? What college did he get his degree from? I don't normally say anything about people's ability to spell, or write sentences, but to claim to be a TV Producer and then write like that?  LOL Sorry, but it made me laugh.. :)
Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: Smart Mule on October 01, 2011, 11:40:23 pm
He produces shows for DATV, the Dayton public access station. My son was producing a local access show with his friends when they were in their teens so it does not require much more than learning to use the equipment.
Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on October 02, 2011, 02:16:22 am
OH.. ok.. hey.. I was thinking you know.. TV Producer.. like on regular TV programming.. :)
Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: ShadowDancer on October 02, 2011, 07:52:23 pm
OH.. ok.. hey.. I was thinking you know.. TV Producer.. like on regular TV programming.. :)

Not quite.  Here is his listing on the IMDB.  He has only been involved with two projects.  

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3118751/

A 22 minute short, Coming up for Air, which aired on Dayton Access and has no DVD distribution due to

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For a short time, a DVD was available for purchase, but unfortunately the distributor went out of business.

And a bit part in a very low budget short, Quiet Nights of Blood and Pain, which went straight to video.

Title: Re: Ray freeland
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on October 03, 2011, 03:34:48 am
Ah I see. Not surprised, it's his character to over state and pretend to be more than what he is.


edited:  Oh.. and before someone starts throwing out threats and lawsuits.. MY opinions are not
necessarily those of NAFPS and my statement is simply that.. my opinion.. which I am free to make.
Title: Re: NO LONGER A MATTER OF CONCERN Ray or Raymond Freeland AKA Singing Bear
Post by: Sparks on February 22, 2022, 04:28:00 pm
Trying to check out if he is still active I found that he has two profiles on Linkedin:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/ray-freeland-07571170
Ray Freeland — producer at singingbearproductions — Dayton, Ohio, USA

https://www.linkedin.com/in/raymond-freeland-13143687
Raymond Freeland — jack of all trades at singing bear productions — Dayton, Ohio, USA

Then I found he passed away nearly six years ago:

https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/dayton/name/raymond-freeland-obituary?id=7027232
https://www.newcomerdayton.com/Obituary/116921/Raymond-Freeland/Dayton-Ohio

Both obituaries contain this statement:

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He was also very passionate about his Native American roots and loved participating in Pow-Wow's under his Native American name, "Singing Bear".

I now suggest this thread to be archived as "NO LONGER A MATTER OF CONCERN".