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General => Frauds => Topic started by: educatedindian on November 03, 2005, 06:52:30 pm
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I started a new thread on them since the old one is long enough that it's become a lot to wade through. I'm keeping it under Research Needed because they're not ceremony sellers and they seem more lost than anything else, but they are potentially a dangerous group.
(New Note: see below for why this thread was moved to Frauds)
Some new developments:
Their leaders, the Edwards, tried to convince me the threats they were accused of never happened. So they invited me into their yahoo group, CKYBeginnings. Their claims was that the threat was not in the Messages section. But no one had ever said it was, it was supposed to have been in Files. And the entire Files section was not in the group, while several messages did mention "files."
Here's the message I sent to another current member of the CKY who wishes to remain anonymous. I also sent it onto the Edwards, describing what I found in their yahoo group.
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Hello,
I don't think you're going to like what I have to say, but I urge you to listen and consider it carefully. I feel I have to tell you this, because of liking you as a person,that I need to be honest.
I spent about two hours going through the posts in there and came away pretty appalled. Robin and Charlie Lame Deer appear to be the only ones who talk like skins. The rest sound like whites playing Indian, and the Edwards are by far the worst of them all. Jerry Edwards appears incapable of speaking a sentence except in TontoSpeak or OldChiefSpeak. He's seen "I Will Fight No More Forever" too many times and read and been brainwashed by Nuage books.
The group is saturated throughout with Nuage beliefs and ideas. Believing Cherokees are from another planet or from Atlantis, talk of "shifts" "vibrations" "bliss" and "ego". Hundreds of posts obsessing over totem animals and "meditate to pick your clan" followed by Edwards' arbitrary decision to move people into three clans.
Not only that, but you are relying on one Nuage book or leader after another for your sense of what you falsely think Cherokee traditions are. Not just Fisher/Yawahoo, but also Thomas Mails and Morgan Maez or "Eaglebear", who one of your members cheerfully recalls "I know all of you know him." I know about "Eaglebear" all too well. He's yet another imposter, this one a fake posing as the great grandson of Geronimo who tells people they have to have sex as part of a fake ceremony. Edwards also mentions relying on Forrest Carter's "Education of Little Tree". Carter was one more imposter, not just a fraud but also a KKK leader suspected of several murders, and best known for writing George Wallace's "Segregation Forever" speech.
Outside of knowing some Cherokee words and the names of the original clans, I don't see any sign whatsoever of knowledge of actual Cherokee ways. In all my years of knowing many Cherokee people, including some pretty knowledgeable Cherokee scholars like Steve Russell and Joyce Kievet, none of them are anything like any of you. I'm sorry, but it seems like virtually all of you are people with distant ancestry who are very lost and without a clue about your roots.
As you say, perhaps the only thing good to be said about your group is that there is no ceremony selling. Well, it's also a good thing that you are a far smaller group than I had thought, 31 members and perhaps half of them living far away.
I don't think you are part of a cult, at least not yet, but you certainly have the potential to become one and many signs you are all on that path. Edwards' talk of the end of the world ("shift") and how anyone who is not part of the Burnside is "dead inside" and "yonega" (ironic since ALL of you, without exception, seem to be white as well as NDN) and not to be trusted.
This is classic cult tactics, "we are the chosen and the rest of the world is not to be trusted".
As far as Robin, I don't see any sign of the instability or contradictions you claim. I do see lots of instability in the Edwards, and an enormous amount of lying.
As far as the accusation of threats, the circumstantial evidence points towards Robin's story being right, not yours and certainly not Edwards. The threat was alleged to be part of a File or Photo, not in the Messages sections. Ms Edwards claims there was no such File, but posts in the Messages do mention "files". So it seems the whole File section was deleted.
I wish you well, and I wish all the members of the Burnside group well, even lost and deceptive and potentially dangerous people like the Edwards. I just hope they don't lead you to a terrible end. I made a comment to Edwards several emails ago about poisoned Koolaid. In all seriousness, if you all continue on your present path, that sort of end is a real potential danger.
I strongly urge you to get out of Edwards's group, and I would urge that for any and all of you, not just to avoid being misled and fed lies, but also for nothing less than your own safety.
Please take care,
Al
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And posts from CKYBeginnings showing all their Nuage beliefs:
Message 1459
From: "Yonv" <yonv777@...>
Date: Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:57 am
Subject: Unole
Osiyo Sidanelv ale sunale osda,
It is on the wind, all that is to be. It has been set in motion eons ago by the Ancestors, through the Will of Yehowah, (Creator)....It is as the great in breath and out breath of Creator. Please, I know that is Buddhist, I am making a point.
....I am saying that we are now approaching that point where it is the in-between time. I know there are those who will crucify me for using some of what Trox has said, but the information is solid, so, it is called the Untime, Time/Untime. it is the moment when all things come to rest and the Universe and all creation come to rest and pay homage to the Source from which it sprung....It is the combination of the Counter Rotating Spirals that maintain the balance of all things. As above, So below.
....I do send my love, even to those who would walk on it. it has endured more than a few disgruntled souls down through time.
Dohi, (Peace)
Uku Yonv
Anitsisqua
Message 3
Morning Rain <ozzmaga@...>
Date: Sat Jun 12, 2004 11:36 am
Subject: Some Not so Simple questions and explanations
....The Aniyvwiya are 'Old Souls" who are here to help humanity make it through the coming Shift. If you don't know what that means, it is time to do some study. Chief Yonv is excellent at explaining the shift....Our people were crystal workers and dealt with vibrations. Did they call the body zones Chakras? I doubt it, but they worked with stones, gems and crystals just the same. They knew that to 'Shift' their vibrations had to be very high. We call ourselves Starseeds....
Ask questions about the Shift, about how we fit in and what our responsibility in that time is....
~Clan Mother Morning Rain
Message 20
fakry132" <fakry132@...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:54 pm
Subject: welcome and clan info
Osiyo to all who have come her to learn.
First, I would like to welcome you to your journey of self-knowledge.....
I would like to reiterate something Clan Mother MorningRain siad in her post about not confusing animal totems and animal guides with clan affiliation....
So, let's get busy and get people placed! It's important to know where and how you will fit in, and know what will be your aprt at the time of the shift.....
Clan Mother Wolf Woman Watching
AniWaya
Message 24
yonv" <yonv7@...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:23 am
Subject: Chiefs Clan Mothers
....First, Jerry Funderburk is the Red Chief, that is the War Chief. He is also considered the Red Priest, so, when addressing Jerry Funderburk, out of
respect, you address him as Chief Giga Tali....
My name is Yonv, pronounced, (Yoh-nuh) which means Bear in Cherokee., I am the Principal Chief, the White Chief, the White Priest, I am considered
the Uku, Pronounced, (Oo-koo) . I will talk more about that later. I should be addressed as Chief Yonv, or Uku Yonv, or just Uku.
You Clan Mothers are,
Clan Mother Morning Rain, she is the Wild Potato Clan Mother
Clan Mother Nokwisi, she is Paint Clan Mother
Clan Mother Wolf Woman Watching, the Wolf Clan Mother
Clan Mother Red Sky, the Blue Clan Mother
Clan Mother Running Wolf, she is Wind Clan Mother
The Clan Mothers are always addressed as Clan Mother, as in Clan Mother Running Wolf.
We are still waiting for the other two Clan Mothers. Creator will provide....
Uku Yonv
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More Nuage messages in their group.
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Message 26
ufcndta" <ufcndta@...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:01 pm
Subject: Paint Clan
The Paint Clan, AniWodi, is where many of the medicine people, conjurers, shamans, and sorcerers came from, although none of these terms are really accurate. I don’t care for titles or labels in that respect, and so I especially like the reference made in “The Education of Little Tree??? when Grandpa introduces Little Tree to Willow John, saying simply, “he has the Magic.???
....in some circles the Paint Clan (because it was a place of conjurers and energy-workers) has become a popular ideal – but it is not the place to brag about being a “medicine man??? or “medicine woman??? – or a shaman, wizard, witch....If you feel the need to tell everyone you are a Shaman or Medicine Man, then you are not - yet.
....All clans worked with plants and crystals, but with different aspects of the same things....So just using plants or crystals doesn’t necessarily make one Paint Clan. Working with unseen energies and Spirits- might.
Paint Clan people have a working kinship with the unseen energies of all things. They are adept at communicating with and “bending??? energies shamanically, to perform the “magic??? and get the job done.
....Each paint clan person will have their own area of expertise. Some work with shamanic energies....
To be continued!
ClanMother Nokwisi
AniWodi
Message 150
CrytalWindWalker <crystalwindwalker@...>
Date: Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:38 am
Subject: Introduction
O'Siyo,
I am Deborah, (CrytalWindWalker) and am new here. I live in Fairbanks, Alaska for almost 20 years now....
I definetly have a mystic call which would seem to indicate Paint Clan....
I'm not sure what to say or if I should do so in regaurd to the things which happen when I am on Blessed Mystic Walk....
I will "see or hear" things when I'm on the Blessed Mystic Walk....Wado for your help.
Creator's Love, Peace and Blessings to all, Deborah ~CrystalWindWalker
Message 239
CrytalWindWalker <crystalwindwalker@...>
Date: Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:28 pm
Subject: Re: [UFCNBeginnings] Question Regaurding The Children of The Sun
....I understand that the Children of the Sun are Adam/Earthing and children of the Adam experiment.... its something along the lines that the Annunaki were "black"/dark skinned, and that therefore they are "the children of the Gods" or Star Children and perhaps not really Adamma/earthlings....
is it correct to say that we, AniYvwiya, Star Children, are just simply in Adama bodies? Or is it something more along the lines that there is actually a *difference* however slight, between the Adama bodies and our bodies, hence, we have what some would term "humanoid" bodies? I know.... I'm going in circles again :-)
I am also aware that by reading some of Zecharia Stitchin and others' books, the answers to these questions will be made more apparent to me.....
Dohi, Deborah
AniWodi
yonv <yonv7@alltel.net> wrote:
Osiyo Sister,
They were the people who were inhabiting North America that were the children of the Adam Experiment. They were the descendents of the original Earth Man. That is what Adam or Adamma means, Earthling. The were Sun Worshipers. There are two types of people on the Earth Mother, those that are indigenous to Earth, and Starseeds, those who came from the stars.
Uku Yonv
Message 448
jd mcdermott <avila2go2@...>
Date: Sun Jan 9, 2005 11:52 pm
Subject: Re: [CKYBeginnings] Question about Directions
....The Red Man, living in the East, is the spirit of power, triumph, and success. The Black Man, in the West, is the spirit of death. The shaman would invoke the Red Man to the assistance of his patient and consign his enemy to the fatal influences of the Black Man. According to Thomas Mails, in his book, "Cherokee People,"....
Elisi Gule disgonihi Utsetsi (Smiling Dove)
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Still more, they made hundreds of these types of posts, the groupi is just saturated with Nuage ideas, though I think most ofthem are just clueless.
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Message 511
Yonv" <yonv777@...>
Date: Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:45 pm
Subject: Honor and Respect
....we migrated North out of South America, out of Atlantis and went North into our sacred mountains after a long journey.....
Dohi
Uku Yonv
Anitsisqua
Message 513
Yonv" <yonv777@...>
Date: Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:09 pm
Subject: Perspective
....we are working towards our part in the Shift of the Ages, the movement into the Sixth World.
It is told by the Old Ones that we are at the End of an Age. It is the Shift back into Unity consciousness.... We are a Star Nation, the Bird People, one of the Bird Tribes.
....we are here to assist in the Shift of the Ages.
We are a conduit through which the Divine energy may flow.
....What that is, is an awakening to the essence of who your are....
Uku Yonv
Anitsisqua (Bird Clan)
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After spending hundreds of posts and over a year urging meditation on which clan to join:
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Message 583
Yonv" <yonv777@...>
Date: Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:17 am
Subject: Council/Important/Read
Osiyo Sanelv ale Sunale Osda,
....our decisions are unanimous and motivated by the Spirit of the All that Is....
we are pairing down to Three Clans here in the Cherokees of Kentucky Chickamauga. We have tried for five years to manage all seven Clans. It has not worked. The Three Clans that will be here in the CKY are, Wolf, Bird, and Wild Potato.
People who are in other Clans will be placed....
The People in the Paint, Deer, Wind, and Blue Clans will be moved to one of the Three Clans that we are maintaining.
....this is a major shift in how we do business....
Cherokees of Kentucky-Chickamauga, Council
Uku Yonv
Message 584
Yonv" <yonv777@...>
Date: Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:03 pm
Subject: Sweat
iyo Sidanelv, We are getting ready to do our sweat lodge in an hour or so. Those of you who are NDN, who are really Cherokee, who are True Human Beings, please join us in prayers as we take the Family into the lodge.....
I want to see who is NDN and who isn't here....
How can we pray together without acknowledgement on the stupid boxes....
This is not to beat you up, it is to stir your spirit. Cherokees, that is who is supposed to be here, are you?
The Lodge starts about eight tonight eastern time. Join us.
Uku Yonv
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Wow, wish I could just pull a clan membership out of thin air. I had to grow up without one. Lots of people do without - and theres no shame in it. But there is a great deal of dishonesty in claiming a clan you *don't* belong to. Don't these people understand that if you claim a clan you are claiming all of the responsibilities that come with being someone's relative that way? I see alot about special "powers" and "rights" in these posts and not a word about responsibilities to their supposed relatives. And they wonder why no one trusts them or their motives.
same ole selfish presumption from the -and this is the only word for it - wannabe crowd.
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Al,
Thank you for taking the time to go through these files and finding out the truth about the Edwards and the fact the group is small is a relief. I have been doing research Daishin and the "tribe", "bands" I have run across has been overwhelming, What is the fantasy,delussions that appears to be in the minds of these imposters. It seems to be the "in" thing to be "indian" but as was said you don't pull that out of the air and mix all religions,newage ect. and say we are cherokee, lakota ect. perhaps these people have no identity and must create one at the cost of others.
I am so glad to be part of this group and see how all work together to research these people.
Joyce
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I was hesistant about posting information about Cherokee Clans. However, a person does not chose their Clan based on thier personality traits. If this were so we would have a whole new category for many under the Comedy Central category.
Since there are some here who may not know, if a person is Cherokee thier Clan affiliation is passed down through thier mother.
Many of the traits that have been sadly attached to the Clans have not been done so by Cherokees but rather non-Indian writers, etc. So many write that the Wolf Clan is the warrior/hunter clan, but I can assure you that neither my mother nor greandmother were warriors or hunters in the sense that they talk about.
Also, it is the Long Hair Clan that many have assigned as the Clan that medicine people came from.
Joseph
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The latest from their would be keeper of tradition. "Softspeaker" Star claims to be Cherokee and Seneca, but believes in Atlantis, "shifts", and that NDNs are space aliens.
My words have >>>
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Softspeaker40 <softspeaker40@yahoo.com> wrote: sad you feel the need to attack me in some way or another at all times
>>>"Attack"? Are you kidding?
.I teach spanish and have lived in spanish countries and have never been accused and criticized but then there was no reason for them to be so discouteous. It is true I have never dealt with homeless Mexicans so I may not speak at that level.
>>>Now you're making even less sense than before. What do the homeless have to do with anything?
Do you twist everyones words?
>>>Once again, you must be kidding.
>>>No need for you to get angry at me because you don't speak very clearly, and twist my words.
I do not have anything to hide.
>>>Yes, certainly, I believe you. That's the reason you choose to be part of a group living far from their (alleged) Cherokee people. That's the reason none of you have any contact with them and rely on Nuage sources. (That's sarcasm. Just making sure you caught that, before you made some other bizarre misinterpretation.)
I wanted it clear that I was no doing this to defend the family that requires no defence.
>>>Sure Star, sure. That's why you and the Edwards have spent several weeks and perhaps fifteen emails between you defending your group.
>>>That's why the Edwards deleted the Files section in their group.
>>>That's why two of the three CKY groups are dead, with no discussion or dissent allowed.
It is your opinion regarding newageness
>>>The surest sign of a Nuager, claiming "everything is just opinion."
>>>Sorry Star, but no Cherokee anywhere but in your little group thinks you are anything but Nuagers.
>>>See for yourself, what your group does with clans is closer to Dungeons and Dragons than Cherokee tradition. Joseph Stands With Many is a traditional storyteller, and he finds what you do comical and ridiculous.
http://newagefraud.org/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.cgi?board=unsure;action=display;num=1131043950
I feel sorry that whatever you experienced in your life has made you so judgemental and suspicious of people.
>>>I truly feel sorry for what you are experiencing now in your life. You have been so misled and wasted so much of your life on lies.
>>>Just how many Nuage tactics can you pack into one email?
1) Pop psychology diagnoses
2) Attacking the messenger and avoiding giving actual answers
3) Thinking "judging" is a negative word. I feel sorry for anyone like you, Star, that fails to use their brain to judge right from wrong, tradition from obvious lies.
Paranoia is difficult to live with.
>>>Yes, and the tiny group of you living alone on an isolated compound will only worsen your "the world is out to get us" mentality.
Wishing you knowlege, compassion and the joy of living in a diverse world that promotes peace for all people.
Softspeaker
>>>Wishing that you someday quit fooling yourself, and learn what your people's actual traditions truly are. Here's a hint: Atlantis came from a Greek named Aristotle, not Cherokee tradition.
>>>After all, once the "shift" doesn't happen, what will you do? Go into Scientology, or the Moonies?
>>>I only hope the Edwards never make you drink the Koolaid, and that you all stay away from sharp objects and high places.
Al
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In regards to softspeaker. I want you to know that I am not your enemy. You came across as a gentle kind person, that I felt you have much more to give to real people than those that intentions are not as well meaning as you think.
I wrote one post to you about the mayan calendar and such to see where your head is. That is why I also asked you about if you know the traditional stories about how the mountains where formed, how the first fire came to the people. That is where I wanted to lead you, to the real traditional stories.
You live in an area where you are surrounded by real native peple with real tradtions. There is the Indian centers, go there, you would be amazed on what you can learn from elders. I am here in IL and I know 2 elder cherokee women from OK. Since I no longer have any blood family these grandmas they look as me as one of their kids. I take them to pow wows when they want to go, I visit with them, if they need something I get it for them. What I get in return is wonderful stories of when they where young women, they help me with my language since I have no family to converse with. We sit together at the kitchen table, we bead, we tell stories. They grade me on my bead work somedays an A somedays I get a C. They help remind me what is important in my life.
We don't sit around and talk about shifts or calendars. We talk about what is important in our lives. Our children, our grandchildren, what we want for them in life. We cook together. This is the real deal not what is written in those books that many are out there reading. The door is open to you to know real native people and real tradtions.
You and I live a lot closer to each other than you do to those in Ky.
You have my e mail address what you do with it is up to you. I just want you to know that my goal when I went in there was to just reach one person.
And to see what kind of mess was going on down there.
When I wrote to you and to the "chief's" wife that if I had to follow protocol with the traditions of calling certain men by a title ,I was very serious when I wrote then if I am to follow real tradition the
n the men were to go through my husband if they had something to speak to me about, this is not a made up tradtiion and I could take you to elders that still practice that tradition. There are reasons why this is done. I don't come from family that has chiefs or medicine people. My people were hunters, farmers, and some were warriors. They were the salt of the earth, nothing mystic about them, nor myself. I grew up with grandparents that picked cotton, so we went where they could work. We ate beans and cornbread everyday. Most of the homes we lived in was tar sheet homes with a wood burner in the middle of the room. My grandfather carved wood. My grandmother weaved baskets. We fished in the streams. We didn't go into caves, but we went to homes in the winter for booger dances. I still have my grandfather's mask made from a hornets nest, gourd and black bear. My grandmother was a shaker, I have her shakers that she made from milk cans. This to me is what real native people are about. Not having naming ceremonies on the internet, nor in caves.
The opportunity is here if you want it. But there's no books, nor crystals.
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The latest: This thread was moved to Frauds because of the C of KY using some pretty desperate tactics. They seem to be a dangerous enough group that everyone should be warned away in the strongest possible terms.
The latest tactic is what looks to be a forged letter made to look as though it came from a lawyer's office, aimed at Robin in an effort to intimidate her and get her to shut up.
Why do we think it's forged?
1) The letter came in an envelope that was printed from a computer not a typewriter.
2) The envelope was post marked from southeastern KY, not Lexington where the law office is located.
3) The envelope had a prepasted stamp not a prepaid envelope.
4) The letter threatens to have Robin ordered into pysch testing. I've never heard of any civil litigation lawyer having any "right" to demand someone being psychologically tested.
5)The letter claims copyright violations for reposting posts from their yahoo group. The Edwards have no standing to claim copyright infringement, we can repost anything online under the Fair Use laws.
Not to mention all the posts reposted were ones I got on my own, after the Edwards sent me an invite to their group.
And the greatest irony, the Edwards are themselves violating copyright laws by posting from Fisher/Yawahoo's book on their C of KY website, without attributing the words to her.
6) The letter threatens to sue for "slander." It can't be "slander". Slander is the spoken element, not the written one. Even a first year law student should know that.
7) It can't be either slander or libel if it's true. Truth is an absolute defense against either.
8) The letter threatens to sue Robin for urging others to go to the police. Urging people to contact the police is not "slander" if you believe a crime is being committed.
9) And the way much of the letter is worded makes me actually wonder if they might have stolen a letterhead from his office and typed it up themselves. No lawyer (or at least one who knew his business) would get so emotional in a cease and desist letter. No good lawyer would use terms like "deluded and false". That's something only someone with an emotional grudge would say.
10) Finally, they gave a PO box as an address, and not even the address of the law office.
Robin has contacted the law office to see if it did actually did come from them, and not a forgery using stolen stationary. We'll keep everyone posted on this.
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I am sitting here trying to keep from laughing as I type this post.
I have read a pretty funny fabricated story.
For the record to all those who care to know the truth.
1) My husband is not Apache, never said he was.
2) My husband is not abusive nor problomatic.
3)I can write or talk to anyone any time I like, I am a grown woman that can do as she pleases.
4) Mental health problems, doesn't apply to me either. If I had them, then I wouldn't discuss it with the likes of any of you, I would do it with a doctor or therapist.
5) As far as the sun dance up at White Earth, well
first off people don't advertise it, second off they don't tell outsiders about them. Third and last I will gladly give to Al all the names, address, ph. # of all the sun dancer brothers, sisters, sun dance chief and mother.
6)I never said that I cook and serve as "necessary" I support my husband, big difference from doing something out of nesessity.
I believe that I have been mistaken for someone else, well actually it is a blend of out right lies and something in between the twilight zone.
None of you scare me, nor does threats of lawyers, or lawsuits.
Keep the lies coming it's making your hole bigger, and all those things that you have accused me of, well none of it applies to me. Haven't done any of it and can prove it without a resonable doubt. So you need to think twice before going down that road with me with all these lies.
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I have been in the cherokee community for years and never have i ever see/heard of such a vicious attack on one person. I just don't understand what the Edwards hope to gain by thier vicious attack on Raven. Raven mentioned in a previous email about cooking the feast after a sweat for all those who do and inipi and this is traditional for women who do not sweat to prepare the feast. I believe whoever spoke those things stated in the last posting knows Raven and has a vengful spirit against her or she is accepting what someone has told her as being the truth. What you said reveals who you really are and I am sure I know who you are.
All these accusations being hurled at Raven and threats of law suits ect. are rediculous. There are so many who have written evidence to the contray of what the Edwards are saying, well if it were me I would't want to go down that road.
I will say I am curious as to why uku is now calling himself Yoni??
When one has the TRUTH and KNOWS the TRUTH We Cherokees always know the path to go down.
WADO
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Let me add some other pretty funny errors the Edwards and "Softspeaker" Star keep making:
The Edwards accuse Robin of being the source of the posts reposted in here. Sorry, NO, not one single one of them.
The true source for these posts is...The Edwards themselves. They let me into their group with an invite.
Robin is also far from being the only source for information on the C of KY. I count at least seven different people who've spoken to me, both former and current members. That, plus there are at least four other sources easily available.
That, among many other reasons, is why their comical attempt to get Robin to stay quiet is doomed. All it's doing is making them look petty, vindictive, small-minded, controlling, obsessive, and very un-Indian and unspiritual.
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I would like everyone to know exactly what I am being accused of by the Edwards.
1) I am being investigated of serious false and defamatory allegations through the internet against them.
2) They have evidence that I have engaged in slander per se in my deluded and false allegations of improper conduct with minor children.
3) Making claims of contacting the FBI and other law enforcement agencies relating to my false allegations.
4) Conduct a criminial record background check.
5) Intend to ask the court to order a psychological and psychiatric testing and counseling due to the nature of my conduct and actions.
6) They have evidence that I have engaged in copyright infringement of proprietary copyrighted material.
7) They intend to execute against all assets, all property, all acounts and all wages that I have in the state of ILL.
8) Will seek damages for defamation in their legal action without the necessity of proof of the elements of a defamation action.
9) Criminal perjury charges
10) Criminal charges for wire fraud through the use of the internet
11) Criminal harassing communications
These accusations are all lies, can be proven and if anyone should file a lawsuit, I believe that I should be the one doing it which I could add a few things in on it.
There is no law anywhere that says I can not speak on what I am being accused, I have the right to discuss to anyone what I am being accused of. This threat of a lawsuit has not scared me, in fact it has done the opposite. I won't back down from speaking what is truth. The accusations here speaks volumes of what kind of mentality these people really have
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Hi i have been following this and other webs for a long time and have also been a victum of fraudulant ndn, being ojibwa myself. I also was following the cky open message board as i found it to be way out there on another planet.have always been under the understanding, that unless stated, that this can not be copied or a copyright is noted , there is no infringement.
I work untill 12am so always like to ckeck certain sites out , hear whats going on. A lot of times I copy to file what interests me. so what i have to say may be of some importance concerning the above postings. I do have a lot of Chief Yoni, labiso and others who posted messages, I do have the 360 page with lobiso and softspeaker on it , which was on the beginners board, but not for long ,and I also have a copy of a message posted by lobiso stating that someone with gossiping moccasins sent an email within 2 hours of it being posted to Bluestar woman, it was pulled of within a very short time and yes if you cliked on to a certain point it gave the map of where Blustar lives, I know this I have a copy. So I assuming this is what the chief and his wife are saying they didn't do, I have postings by yonvi about gossipers, liars ect, and how he hates them. well with all I have read and all the info I have in front of me i would have to say Jerry you really need to look in the mirror and give a lot of consideration about this deal with Robin.
Robin if you want me to down load this info and send it all to I will be honored to. Just post and email. There is nothing in them like the Edwards are indicating and in fact much to clear you of these lies. God Bless and be with you all.
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Thank you Yellowthunder bolt. Appreciate the offer of what you have, Will take you up on it, due to the fact it will show that some of us that have the same thing, it will only reinforce what we have.
I have sent personal documents to show that I speak with honesty and not fabrication.
And to also show that there is much more to me than what I have allowed people to know. But then that will come out when necessary.
You have my e mail address, appreciate the support from all in here. Thank you brother.
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For the record Star. I took the liberty to contact some friends of mine up your way. Two tribal councilmen and a tribal judge. They are all from different reservations up there. I talked to them over the weekend and I let them know what you can't say to my face but will write to Al and others your fabrication.
These people know me on a personal level very well, you don't.
If you are up there doing volunteer work then I believe they have the right to know your character traits of fabrication, manipulations, and other non native beliefs.
What their conclusion of you will be their own not mine.
I know what your name is now and what you do up there.
The difference between you, the Edwards and myself, well when I am on federal land I am protected under those laws none of you are.
With all the lies that you and the Edwards are throwing out there about me it's just a means of trying to take the attention off yourselves and what you are doing. Sorry it's not working.
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The latest:
An Open Letter Regarding Timothy Allen, Attorney-at-Law, and his efforts on behalf of Jerry Edwards and the “Cherokees of Kentucky Chickamauga???
Dear Members of the State Bar of Kentucky, and members of the public,
I’m writing this letter on behalf of and in support of Robin Lawson since I have personal knowledge of the problems caused for her by Jerry Edwards, his wife, and “Softspeaker??? Star and am also incredibly appalled by the unethical intimidation tactics of their lawyer, Timothy Allen. I speak to you as a professor of American Indian history who is also Native myself. I teach at the Alamo Community College District in San Antonio and have been an activist for Native causes for some years now.
The Edwards, Star, and Mr. Allen seek to silence Ms. Lawson for her brave, altruistic, and ? principled stand against the burgeoning cult calling itself Cherokees of Kentucky-Chickamauga or sometimes CKY. CKY was formerly the “Unified Free Cherokee Nation.??? In spite of these titles and the grandiose pretensions of ? its would-be “chief“ Jerry Edwards, it is not a Cherokee nation, tribe, or band in any way, shape, or form. It also has very little to do with Cherokee tradition and is not recognized by any legitimate Cherokee tribe, community, or group. While some of the members of CKY have distant Native ancestry, they do not have any credibility among other Native people.
Among other things, the Edwards and Ms. Star teach their followers that Cherokees are descended from space aliens and then lived in Atlantis before coming to the Americas. They also believe in a coming Apocalypse they call “the Shift??? and mistrust “yonegas??? meaning anyone they see as “having a white mindset.“ Such racist self-hatred is ironic, since all of them are of predominantly white ancestry, while Robin Lawson and myself are Native.
The Edwards and Ms. Star place great reliance on the teachings of another imposter posing as a Cherokee leader, Diane Fisher AKA “Dhyani Yawahoo,??? who passes off elements of Buddhist beliefs as the traditional Cherokee religion. Fisher operates a very destructive cult in New England where she has absolute power over her followers’ lives and bank accounts. Both the Edwards and Diane Fisher are what are commonly called spiritual exploiters by American Indians. They are imposters who pose as Native elders and prey upon those who know very little about actual American Indian traditions.
What the Edwards, Ms. Star, and their lawyer Mr. Allen are attempting to do is much along the lines of what Scientology leaders have frequently done, namely use extremely heavy-handed and unethical legal tactics to silence critics who know the truth about them and their false claims. I know of other Native activists who have faced similar threats in the past. These threats have always turned out to be cheap scare tactics with no legal basis. In one similar case, acting on legal counsel of our own, we sought the disbarment of their lawyer, who then sought to hide his address to avoid facing his state bar.
I have in my possession a number of emails from the Edwards and Star wherein they told one series of lies after another, one more unbelievable than the next, in a vain attempt to discredit Ms. Lawson by falsely claiming she is being beaten by her husband, has psychological problems, etc. I would be glad to forward them to any agency or court, as well as testify on Ms. Lawson’s behalf.
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Pt 2
Briefly, the Edwards and Ms. Star are falsely claiming:
1. That Ms. Lawson passed along posts from a Yahoo listserv which I then reposted at my group, violating their copyright.
This is false on several counts. To begin with, there is no copyright of Yahoo groups posts. I received the posts thanks to the Edwards themselves, who sent me an invite to their Yahoo group. In any case, we have the right to repost under the Fair Use laws.
Ironically, the Edwards themselves are guilty of violating copyright laws. They admitted in an email to me that most of their website is taken straight from Diane Fisher’s books, without proper credit being given.
2. That contacting the police or FBI, or urging others to do the same, is “slander.???
What Ms. Lawson did was not only ethically right, it was her legal obligation in some states if she believed or knew of a crime or crimes being committed.
Should not what Mr. Allen is doing on behalf of the Edwards and Ms. Star in fact be considered witness tampering, or intimidation of witnesses, if in fact crimes did occur?
3. That Ms. Lawson told others of charges involving the Edwards and minor children.
This is the first time either Ms. Lawson or myself have heard of these allegations involving children. More than likely there are others making such allegations who choose not to reveal their own identities and the Edwards, trapped in their paranoia, falsely assumed Ms. Lawson was behind them.
4. Mr. Allen also threatened to have Ms. Lawson ordered into psychological testing or counseling by the courts. This is an outrageous attempted abuse of legal authority, much like the old Soviet Union routinely ordering dissidents into mental hospitals. That he would attempt to do so speaks of his own lack of ethics. Like the Edwards and Ms. Star, obviously he is attempting to smear Ms. Lawson as mentally unfit. That he should use his law license to do this is contemptible, and hopefully grounds for disbarment.
I believe Mr. Allen is himself guilty of furthering this attempt to disparage the character of Ms. Lawson. Perhaps in his desire for legal fees, he has not bothered to check the extremely dubious nature of the clientele he is representing. I seriously doubt he ever intended to become a cult’s lawyer, but his failure to do research is even more glaring than the Edwards. While every person, even cult leaders, is deserving of representation under our system of justice, that does not mean Mr. Allen is obligated to use his law license as a weapon of intimidation against those who expose the potentially dangerous nature of such cults.
The incredibly dubious nature of his clients’ beliefs and practices should have caused Mr. Allen to take a more serious look at his clients’ obvious lies about Ms. Lawson, just as he would at any client who claimed the CIA was out to get him because he had proof of Bigfoot. In my view, the question is simply one of whether Mr. Allen lacks moral (and perhaps legal) scruples, or whether he is simply incompetent.
I will be posting this online for all to see who wish, as well as sending it to the local news media so that the community will know the true nature of the Edwards, Ms. Star, Timothy Allen, and the burgeoning cult calling itself Cherokees of Kentucky Chickamauga.
Dr. Al Carroll
History Department
San Antonio College
Alamo Community College District
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I haven't been here for a while -- was off line a couple of weeks and just now have another emaila address. I was also ill for a while.
All I can say is wow. Yall've done a lot of research and I thank God these people have been discovered.
Vance
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Well the cky is still on the defense . Check out This months "Green Corn"
cherokeesofkentucky.org.
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I read the CKY's new Green Corn issue and actually was quite amused. They had the audacity to say that native had no right to judge whether something was nuage or traditional native ways. I was always taught that any tradition was passed down from generation to generation and never changed. According to them anything and everything must change with the times. I'm sorry but to me that's not tradition that is making your own little cult do and say what you want. Personally the only people who have the right to inform the public about people who are trying to bastardize the native ways are natives.
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I thought it was amazingly funny too. Check out Jerry Edwards looking pretty foolish in his Smoky the Bear hat! Did he join the State Troopers, or become a Boy Scout troop leader?
Why does he always wear regalia (or what he thinks is regalia) in his photos? Obviously because he's worried people will look at him and think "White Guy!" You don't see Wilma Mankiller or Chad Smith or for that matter Wes Studi always wearing regalia to impress white wannabes.
His words cracked me up too. Trying to be oh so spirchul but then sending out newsletters where he comes up with euphemisms for feces. The guy is obviously ready to burst a blood vessel with his bottled up anger. We really are getting under his skin every time we expose him.
And what a surprise, Jerry endorsed another group of frauds, Manataka.
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After reading the lastest posting of the Green Corn edition, I came away appalled with all the talking out the side of the mouth.
I will begin ( forgive me for I am going to be long winded here in this posting) , with the forum as a whole, the message is all about judging others which they themselves are doing.
What is within your hearts? you ask that, you should be asking yourselves, what is in yours? Where is your balance in this universe? You certainly do not practice what you preach here. You create chaos, it is not brought on you by others.
If you were yourself focused on the Creator than why would you have a need for an attorney? The Creator takes care of all our needs.
I myself have commintments to be part of a positive solution. I don't have to threaten people with lawyers or lawsuits. I have bigger jimmies than that, I will come to you face to face, not use schoolyard tactics of whispering little lies in peoples ears. In my world that is how real people deal with others. That in itself shows the immaturity in you. That says you are not capable mentally of being not only a "chief" but not even an elder.
You jump to conclusions without thought or logic. You make up stories. You hide behind others.
Everything you write speaks about truth, are you trying to convince yourself? because everyone else knows what the truth is except you. How can you want truth from others when you, yourself are not capable of it.
And then there is the contriditions of returning to the past of what was handed down from the ancestors. First off what was handed down to you by any ancestor? You cannot return to past, you certainly can not return to something you never had. and how can you make plans for a future when it entails a past that never existed in your life?
All this goes against everything you say. Make up your minds. live in the present or make up a past that never existed and live in it, but do it quietly please. I have never read so much garbage of crap in my life as I have with your letters. They remind me of the trash magazines that we all know are not true, but we can't help ourselves not to read them. I think that you could make a good living doing that. We all would like to see a good native trash magazine at the supermarkets. I think that recent photo of you would be a good cover picture for your first edition.
My teachings was passed down to me by real ancestors, but in their teachings they didn't dress up in regalia. Let me think what did they wear? Oh I remember, my grandpa usually wore baseball caps, dickies, sometimes jeans, and cowboy boots or tennis shoes. If he had wore any regalia in his "teachings", I am afraid I would have laughed at him or thought he was losing his mind. Dressing up like you do makes you look even more scottish. Hint: Trade your hat in for a Tam. I have some good friends that makes them, they can even make it in your family clan colors. I'll make a point to ask them what they are and I will let you know. ( I hope you know that I am talking about celtic clan colors, not native)
And Star glad to see your dementia is full blown, because that is what you were experiencing on your trip there. And if that land there is so sacred. There isn't enough tobacco in the state of Ky. to keep it sacred with people like you and the Edwards walking on it. If I could I would hire dusters to drop tobacco across that whole state everyday.
Before all of you try to fix the rest of us, work on yourselves first, that is where balance begins inside not outside. And while you are at it look up in the dictionary the meaning of balance, you use the word so much, at least learn what it means.
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well here we have another writing of jerry edwardsin cky's newsletter. jerry continues to become even more full of himself, what arrogance!!
Talking about authority he states" I speak with the authority in which I come" I mean give me a break sounds like a verse out of the Bible. It seems he now thinks he is a God even stating"all you children think I am the boogie man- get over it."
By who's authority do you come from??? You make the boogie-man look like a saint. And who are these children that you have set yourself up as father over??? what a bunch of bull. Get off the throne Jerry and listen yourself to all this sick crap you are spewing out. AMERICAN INDIAN IT IS NOT..
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His Nuage rantings are getting so disconnected from reality, you have to see them to believe them. Also I notice he's taken down much of what we laughed at earlier and pointed out has zero to do with Cherokees.
So here, so that everyone can continue to see them, are his crazier comments:
"At this epoch, take Authority in the light of your own choices.
Do not let pride be the reason you did not allow the Authority of some one or thing....
It is no wonder we have Coyote Medicine to Trick People...You all know what this boils down to, don't you? EGO, SEPARATE SELF....
The Rules of the Way are the Authority....It is harmonic....
In this New Year, reckon in your hearts, To Give Peace a Chance. All you children that think I am the boogie man - get over it....
I speak with the Authority in which I have come. Let's get past the games, let's get on with the work of letting go....
I wish you all a Happy New Year and may all your arrows be tipped with Light."
Yeah Jerry, I'm sure that light is far better than, oh, an ARROWHEAD!
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Wow, is this humbling. And I thought the folks at The Teaching Drum were nutters!
Great letters Dr. Carroll (your line by line comebacks) and Raven (your relating of growing up in the genuine Cherokee way). "Cult" is absolutely the dead-on word, and I had not thought about using it before to apply to my own fav group of Twinkies at the Teaching Drum, but they are definately headed in that direction if not there already. A former friend of mine residing there now just seems to be getting sucked in deeper and deeper. Everything on this forum helps me to understand what is happening so much better. Thank you all.
RE: Apocalyptic Chosen Ones - Head Teaching Drum Twinkie - Tamarack Song - has an end of the world essay combined with Nuage native prophecies on his site at
http://www.teachingdrum.org/OldWayWares/TheWritingsofTamarackSong/ArmageddonLooms/.
Here are some excerpts:
"Then who will survive, if anybody? Some Native prophecies talk about a new people who will emerge from the old. They will be the sons and daughters of the Earth destroyers, and they will have learned from their parents’ offenses. They will have prepared themselves for the cleansing by returning to clan ways. Some of them will join with the remnant Natives who still remember a few of their old ways, and together they will form the new seed for the second coming of humankind.
Following is an envisionment of that blooming. I do not present it as something that will happen but rather what could happen if we wake up and apply ourselves now to growing in awareness, personal and planetary healing, and the renewal of the old ways. If there is going to be a future, it has to begin now. After the collapse will be too late—way too late. If we do not reawaken and prepare, we will end up dirty, disease-infested scavengers—if we survive at all.
This envisionment is not all honey and roses. Throughout the text you will find boxes highlighting issues that need special attention. These will be critical points in our returning to balance that, if heeded, will save much weeping and gnashing of teeth. I don’t think the question has to be whether we will live or die, but rather how we are going to prepare for our second coming."
And you get to find out how to prepare for that "Second Coming" for only $10 and a self-addressed stamped envelope!
Cheers,
Dragonessa
www.astheteachingdrumturns.blogspot.com
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This sounds like a group that was in Georgia a few years ago. The Atlantis idea was also present there, or it is a splinter. The Committe to Combat Cherokee Fraud dealt with them, they closed their web site, then changed their name. Last I heard they (leaders) moved north. The Chickamauga group was in TN, believed they were a lost tribe. Hebrew I believe. Last time I heard the leader moved north. I know their website is still up, but dropped the Hebrew tribe idea. frederica
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Must read again this month Chickamauga of Southeastern Kentucky, a village called Otter Town, and " We are going to make Otter Town a centerpiece for learning" Read all of Green Corn at
http://cherokeesofkentucky.org.
J.A.
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Some of it you truly have to read to believe. They get more bizarre and contradictory with each issue.
Jerry Edwards mentions an alleged "elder" who gave him a book by his good friend Oliver Loveday.
Look at who Loveday is:
Conspiracy theories
http://www.digitalsouls.com/siteworks/generation/mutation/loveday1.html
"Oliver Loveday
HAARP Anxiety ?
HAARP Anxiety relates to the on-going project the US military is doing to use low frequency radio signals to communicate with submarines. It also effects weather patterns and human cognition. A little mix of the HAARP structure with a fractal is my response to that anxiety."
"Mutant Progress"
http://toegristle.com/collab/cigarbox/poem.htm
Basically Loveday seems to a modern primitivist wannabe type who does "trance art". Calls himself "Earthday's Song". A lot of the websites are English, don't know if he is. But it wouldn't really surprise me to see Edwards using English wannabes' words to defend himself. And why Loveday calls his wannabeism "The Briar Rabbit Papers" isn't clear.
I still like the so called "Wazhazhe Lakota". Wazhazhe is likely not even a Lakota word, as we pointed out before, it's the Osage word for themselves. So you have a "faction" of alleged Lakota calling themselves Osage.
Jerry also says they'll be doing workshops at their "powwow". Brace yourself for the worst.
And this Nuage nonsense is straight out of the words of the fraud Carlos Castaneda:
"You must be impeccable....To be impeccable, one must face their fear and strive to balance their mistakes. ? The spiritual world is full of good and evil and one must have the discipline of impeccability to know the difference between the two. ? To be impeccable you must know your heart."
Probably the most out there claim, reprinted from a book written in 1880.
"Welsh Indians in Kentucky"
His claims about their membership numbers are all over the place. 148 members? Many receiving it are not. Their online groups are all dead, and were made up mostly of the curious anyway.
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What a way out there group or should I say"tribe". I have read all the threads and am very disturbed at what I have read, seems as though they are now working toward changing thier name. I did look at the pictures of this Oliver Loveday and must say they seem to be predicting a coming event of some kind. However one may see them, they appear to come from a disturbed mind.
Mr Edwards and his past use of the word "Yonega" leaves one to believe he is a racist against the "white" people and appears to be brainwashing those who he has authority over??? to believe the "yonega" are a threat to thier little group?
My question is how do these fakes get a not for profit status and what can be done to stop these types of people from taking tax payers, which by the way Mr. Edwards comes from all races including the "yonega", money.?
I am in a postion to do what needs to be done to stop this , just show me the way.
I googled "Oliver Loveday" and found where he calls himself a Cherokee elder and spiritual leader.
I find that hard to believe as they would not approve of what he is doing.
Thanks for all this info.
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I took a longer look and found even weirder things about him. He claims to be a member of an extinct "tribe". Anyone Cherokee want to comment on this?
http://www.oliver.nxs.net/oliver/manifest.htm
"Iam a descendant of the Ela-tsa-ye (Elijoy) tribe.
It doesn't exsist anymore.
It was a part of a band of tribes called Ani-yun-wi-ya.
Today, we are called Cherokee.
That means "Mountain People" in the Ojibwa language.
How do you make sense out of that?
Oliver Loveday"
I couldn't find any reference online to either Elijoy or Ela tsa ye other than his claim, except a few place names in Tennessee.
And here's a presentation he made at a college, not exactly traditional.
http://www.nuvo.net/archive/oldarts/articlex40.html
"Spirituality in the Yoruban and Native American Traditions
Friday, Nov. 9, 9:30 a.m.-3 p.m. and Sunday, Nov. 11, 8 a.m.-4 p.m.
Peace Learning Center, Eagle Creek Park, 6040 DeLong Road
The PLC will be hosting workshops to share the wisdom and raise awareness about the Yoruba People and Native American spiritual practice and ceremony. Exercises include a sweat lodge, building an altar for Nature Spirits, creating Prayer Sticks and participating in a Running Ceremony. Presenters include Oliver Loveday, an artist of Cherokee descent, and Naeemah Jackson, an initiated priestess of Oshun in the Yoruba Ifa/Orisha religion."
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I have never heard of this tribe or that that word structure in Cherokee, Ela Tsa Ye that is.
I had read that the word/name Cherokee comes from a Choctaw word that means cave people.
Kinda odd that if this tribe is extinct then how is it that he is still around. It would seem to me that he too would be extint if he was from this tribe. What do I know.
Joseph
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Well it seems Green Corn is not up and running this month. Could it possibly be they hav been shut down. I hear many recieved and email stating that if they wanted Green Corn by snail mail they would have to subscribe to receive it???$$$$.
Also there computer would not allow them( or thier server) would not allow them in to change from Feb to March.??? Wonder if the OTTER VILLAGE IS TUMBLING DOWN???
Wado Thomas
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I believe the reason why there is not a March issue of Green Corn is because there is discord within the group.
And does it not take someone that is literate to be able to write out a newsletter?
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Well the fox is headed for his hole and the coyotes are right on his tail!! Check it out. All CKY members will have to subscribe to "Green Corn" which will be a Bi monthly print for the price of $10. The group has grown so large it is more economical, they will receive it until the funds run out.
The "Green Corn" site will have highlights and post notices only. HMMMM.
Thats not what I hear around Burnside. You gotta be lonely Jerry. and not only that where are all the Clan Mothers?
Perhaps softspeaker/Star can do the writings for you, her writing is very pictures and now that she is alone she will have more time to travel and be by your side for the 6th time.
I'll really miss "Green Corn" Thomas
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It's pretty obvious that Edwards is blowing smoke, outright lying. Online is much cheaper. It doesn't cost a single penny to send out a newsletter. A website is less than a hundred a year. Printing out severla hundred newsletters and mailing them would cost twice that EACH month.
And why not just mail the newsletter to people who don't have email? I think we can take credit for Edwards refusing to send GReen Corn by email. He knows every goofy lie he tells will get taken apart by us and laughed at by traditionalists.
And probably he just wants (or maybe really needs) the money.
I don't think it'll do him and his little power base much good. People inside this cult in the making will just CONTINUE to pass Green Corn along to us.
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Well questions need to be answered.
http://cherokeesofkentucky.org/faqs.htm
I must say some of these answers are not only inaccurate but amusing. One only needs to read these threads on this site to see the discrepancy between what the fact and answers given on the site. Will there or will there not be a "Green Corn?"
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Yeah, pretty amusing the way he's trying to weasle his way out of his own past lies, and just manages to create new ones.
"This is the land of the Thunderbolt Cherokees...This is the land of the Chickamauga."
Sorry, no. The Chickamaugas were further south and haven't been around sicne the 1760s.
"10. ? I've heard some talk about the star nations. ? What do you think about them?
That subject goes deep. ? In short, absolutely. "
What the...? Does anyone understand what Edwards just said? Including him?
Hey Jerry, you need to write COMPLETE sentences to make sense.
"11. ? I've heard you recommend "the Education of Little Tree" as a good book to read. ? Don't you know it was written by a white guy?"
The problem isn't that he was white, he was a white imposter posing as Cherokee (which may be why Edwards likes him.)
He was an unashamed white supremacist, a KKK leader who bombed Black churches and murdered demonstrators and wrote George Wallace's "Segregation Forever" speech.
"And your point is?"
You really can't see the point Jerry? You really think a white racist murderer is a good source to learn about Cherokees?
"We tell people to look at the story, the lessons, the content. ? It's a good story."
Actually it's racist Indian-hating garbage. Its lessons are awful. It's almost like Holocaust Denial, making the Trail of Tears and the boarding schools sound not so bad.
"Why in the world would such respected Indian people, such as Graham Greene and Tantoo Cardinal, appear in the movie if it weren't something good?"
They also appeared in Dances With Wolves, and most NDNs think that's an awful movie too.
"Indians that can look past the negative hype can see the real value in this story."
Yes, the real value of the story is just how badly whites will try to pretend racist lies about NDNs are true. The real value is also in how some whites with a little distant NDN ancestry can think racist garbage from frauds like Forrest Carter are "real value."
"13. ? What kind of government do you have in place? ? Do you vote?
What you might call a pre-contact tribal government, and no, we don't vote. ? We have in place four chiefs, or Ukus. ? The Principal Chief has the final decision - he is 'where the buck stops.'"
Another would be "Cherokee emperor" it seems.
"we do have a well-ordered system in place that eliminates an imbalance of power and provides for the removal of any self-serving leader."
Are you kidding? You just said you have virtually ALL the power. And lots of people DONT like your group, but you expel anyone who disagrees, and you shut down your own forums rather than let people see your lies.
In other words, it's set up like a dictatorship.
"Our citizens are fully aware that the Clan system we have in place is not the 'traditional' system in the true sense, but they also understand that it is a part of their ancestry that we cannot recover."
Nonsense. Every ACTUAL Cherokee tribe has all seven clans. You tried to set up seven and FAILED. It's all there in your own online group messages from your "chiefs".
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Maybe the chief should look into a new line of work. Hey Kola, how bout selling used cars up here my way. Bet you could make a good living selling our old ponies.
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This isn't about the KY band. I've been searching the frauds to check on an Arkansas group called Water Hollow Band of Chickamauga and ani yunwiya confederacy.
I've noticed Manataka has links to them. They have a ceremony I never heard of and I questioned them about it. I asked a few people I know that are CNO. They've said the ceremony was wiccan. I don't know much about wiccan. I do know I'd never been taught about such a ceremony.
I contacted this Susan Bates and did I get blasted. She was really ugly. Since then I've gotten a whole bunch of hate mail from people telling me she's done so much for the Cherokee. That she's a recognized elder of the western and eastern bands. She's one of the few recognized native american colonists. I've had one email tell me I better watch my back. Another one say that the CNO "Cherokee Nation (in Oklahoma) has nothing left. NO heart. NO soul."
I have no idea any bunch could be nastier in email than Manataka, but this one was.
Anyone know anything about these people?
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Until yesterday I had not heard of this group. ? A new friend emailed me about them. ? After what she has said of these people, they are just as bad as Manataka and maybe becoming very dangerous. ?
Here is what she wrote me and two of our friends. ? She wished to remain anonymous. ? I respect that. ?
Osiyo Waya,
I am feeling a need to share something and hope it is okay that I send
it to the three of you. ? At first I thought about posting to the list
but then I decided not to. ? The following is something I have *never*
written about up until now. ? This is difficult.
I was sucked into a Tsalagi organization a few years back that changed
my life forever. ? The concept of the organization was what drew me to
it. ? Undocumented and/or documented Tsalagi people seeking to learn our
ancient Tsalagi ways [to "fit in" somewhere]. ? The problem was not with
the organization but it was with the organization's leader.
The leader had alterior motives. ? He is still a menace to this day. ?
The leader appointed himself as "principle chief" and "white priest" of the
organization simultaneously...for life.
The organization first started out with the concept of being a "nation".
The name of the "nation" was conceived solely by the leader. ? Later,
after having trouble with some "rebellious" members he decided [by
divine intervention, so he said] to change the name of the organization
to something else.
It was apparent to me that the leader of the organization was not what
he appeared to be. ? The "red flags" went up almost immediately after I
had joined but I remained just to observe. ? Eventually I became heavily
involved in this organization and *deeply* attached to the people
within it. ? I was appointed to a "high position" within the organization after
the leader had a "falling out" with the one I replaced. ? As a person in
a "high position", I dealt with many people within the organization and
grew to love them very much. ? They were my extended family.
Once I was appointed into the "high position" I took it upon myself to
try and protect the people from the evil of this man. ? I did everything
possible to protect them. ? I knew the people were being brainwashed and
mis-led. ? I tried desperately to intercept and/or divert his evil...all
through the help and guidance of Creator. ? I prayed continuously. ? I
felt a strong need to protect those who were unwary and susceptible to
this man. ? The leader of the organization was the head honcho but he
told the people he was not the sole decision-maker. ? The "tribal
council" supposedly had ultimate "power" but that was false. ? All of
the people in the "tribal council" were "'yes' people" except for me, my
husband and one other [who were also booted out]. ? Whatever he says
they agree to.
When I suggested that any TRUE "nation" should have a constitution with
elected officials and spoke of it publicly within the organization I was
"marked" as a "traitor" by the leader and was soon banished by him,
along with my family, without ever having the opportunity to defend
ourselves to the people. ? The leader had told his followers not to
contact us in any way, else they too would be cast out and declared a
"traitor." ? Most of the people I had grown to love did exactly what he
told them to do. ? The people I was closest to turned their backs on my
family and I. ? This hurt me *very* deeply, it literally devastated me.
I had no way to cope. ? I sunk into a deep depression. ? Finally I
realized that the only way I could move on with my life was to view it as a
great loss. ? ? I felt really STUPID [not nearly a strong enough word] and
degraded for allowing myself to become so emotionally attached to
people on the internet. ? I had opened up my heart to everyone and they
shunned me ? when they were told to do so. ? Apparently the words they
shared with me were empty words. ? Mine were not.
That organization and the leader are still active to this day. ? The
organization's name has been changed AGAIN
[after my family and the other one were removed],
they have acquired "tribal lands" now [in Kentucky]
and have been awarded non-profit status by the ? federal government. ?
When he was seeking "tribal land" back when we were involved, the
leader approached my husband and requested that we "donate" a
chunk of our property to the organization. ? My husband refused. ?
This made him angry and was probably another underlying ? reason
for kicking us out. ? We were not under his control. ? Anyone who he felt
threatened by, people who had some knowledge of our traditions were
kicked out. ? My family and the other who was banished with us were the
only ones he demanded that no one contact.
The leader of the organization seeks to maintain total "power" over the
people and will do anything necessary to keep it that way. ? If anyone
rebutes him he will kick them out. ? His weapon is the "sense of
belonging" people are so desperately seeking, afterall that is what
keeps them there.
More about the leader, he is a drug user. ? He openly told a handful of
us that he uses drugs but he claims he does it solely for Spiritual
work. ? That's a bunch of bullshit!! ? I know of no one who has to use
drugs to commune with Creator! ? He can not be with Creator in full
capacity?! ? hmmm ? What does that tell you?!
How these FAKE INDIAN people work. ? They may have Native American
heritage but they do not follow TRUE Native American ways. ? They set up
an organization that appeals to the unsuspecting, unwary and naive then
they give those people a sense of belonging. ? It is this "sense of
belonging" that appeals most to people, especially undocumented Native
Americans!!!! ? Once the people are suckered into the organization they
are soon brainwashed. ? [I never was...I could see right through the
facade.] ? Eventually, when the leader feels that he/she has full
control of the people [power] he/she will then begin to interject certain
conditions for remaining within the organization. ? These "conditions"
may be membership dues, genealogy research fees, land funds, all kinds
of things to draw-in money. ? The ultimate goal is power and money. ? The
"power" is self-appointed but it is the people that allow it to grow.
It is also the people who supply the money!
The man's name is Yona/Yonv Edwards and the group name is now
Cherokees of Kentucky-Chickamauga. ? Yona/Yonv Edwards does not
identify with his yonega name but it is Jerry Edwards.
http://www.cherokeesofkentucky.org/ is the group's website.
The group was first called "Unified Free Cherokee Nation" [UFCN] then
"Southern Aniyunwiya Nation" [SAN], then "Cherokees of ? Kentucky"
[CKY] and now "Cherokees of Kentucky-Chickamauga" [CKY-C]. ? With each
name change there was a new philosphy presented on their website. ? The
old websites have been removed. ? The group readily uses yahoo groups
for their communication. ? I do not know what those yahoo group sites are.
Here is a website that has a note written by Yona Edwards. ? Scroll down
the page to read his words. ? With this website you will be able to see
what type of things he is involved with.
http://zptech.net/userreports.html
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I'm gonna repost what that message on that last site says, in case they decide to take it down later. Apparently Edwards posted it when the group was still "United Free Cherokee Nation".
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"Osiyo Jason,
This is Yona. It has been my intent to get to you sooner, but, since we received the Zynergy, we have been busy. I can not tell you how much I love the product. It is all I have read and been told, and more. I have to admit, I am working with the higher dosages as it is my intent to work in the higher frequencies and do my part in the Shift of the Ages. Finding you and your products was no accident. I already know who I am and what I am doing here on the Earth Mother. This product is just another gift of Spirit to accelerate the evolutionary process so that we may accomplish all we have come to do. Wado, (Thank you) for your sincerity and work. My wife and I are taking the Zynergy and there is an incredible peace beyond what we already knew. I look forward to trying other products as well as being a distributor. Incredible, beyond words, and powerful, it will open you up and let the Light in. Thanks again.
With Respect
Yona, Principal Chief
Unified Free Cherokee Nation [Please visit their brilliant and inspiring Website.]
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Osiyo Jason,
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Yonv, Principal Chief
Unified Free Cherokee"
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And the mainpage of that site:
http://zptech.net/
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First thanks to whoever came forward and spoke up about the inner workings of this group. I am sure there are many more who are afraid of this man and scared to speak up. We have all said all along this is a very dangerous group.
Now I am not a chemist but it seems there is a lot of doulble talk concerning this drug. Could this be Meth??? Or does anyone know what it's contents really are?
Wander what other web sites are there? I've also heard he is a heavy drinker, and phisically abusive. And I think these things are the tip of the iceburg.
Wado Thomas :( >:(
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Now I am not a chemist but it seems there is a lot of doulble talk concerning this drug. Could this be Meth??? Or does anyone know what it's contents really are?
I think he's talking about "white powder gold" or "monatomic gold", the latest newage nostrum. Almost all Google results for those phrases point to UFO conspiracy nutters or health frauds. A few years ago when I saw that a local health food shop was selling oxygen pills I thought I'd seen everything, but apparently not. If what he's taking really contains any gold at all it will almost certainly be having no effect whatsoever, since gold is almost completely chemically inert. I wonder if he bought it from this guy. (http://www.casewatch.org/foreign/accc/desveaux2.shtml)
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The latest, from a new member of the NAFPS yahoo group who should be here soon hopefully.
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Hello everybody,
I'm ofcourse new here tonight and I hate to come right off the bat
with this but, this is one of the reasons that I've joined this
group. First off, my name is Ann Lamberth (McKitric) and I live in
Kentucky. I've had some experience with someone near where I live
and am seeking justice. I'm adding it as an attachment to this short
introduction. Hope everyone is having a good day.
Ann
Wednesday, May 17, 2006
To Whom It May Concern:
I have something that I feel needs addressing. As both a citizen of
Kentucky and a Cherokee, it is very important that I try to shed
some light on some things which are going on in one part of our
state. I am trying to contact your newspaper and others, which are
local to the area of my concerns. There's a group called the
Cherokees of Kentucky Chickamauga (CKYC) formerly known as the
United Free Cherokee Nation, whose Department of Tribal Affairs is
based and ran from Burnside. This is also the root of a Yahoo group
online. According to some sources, Jerry Edwards has recently
changed the name of his group to the Chickamauga-Wazhazhe. He has
also stated that if he gets in any kind of trouble with the
authorities here in Kentucky, that he will pack up and move to
Alabama. As of now, he is claiming to be Cherokee and of course he
is nothing more than a white man who is turning a scam.
I have reason to believe that I should warn all people that there
are, and could eventually be, people affected by the negative
actions of this man. So, this is a warning! This man had supposedly
scheduled an interview with his local newspaper and had canceled
interviews on several occasions. This person also has a police
record and had spent some time in prison.
First of all, I should give a little history on this person. His
name is Jerry Ray Edwards, although he uses the title "Uku
Yonv"(uku, meaning chief in the Cherokee language), and considers
himself a priest/spiritual leader. He was born in McCreary County
and raised in Somerset, I believe. He has bipolar illness and is
without medication. If that gives you any idea on his state of mind.
He has stated that his is the "All Knowing" and that he has been
abducted by aliens and has deities within guiding him. He is, number
one, mentally ill and is misleading many people who live in
Kentucky, as well as, other states. This person has and is still,
misusing funds, which have been donated. He's already gained a not
for profit and is fraudulent in that aspect as well.
This isn't an attempt to get back at someone who has angered me.
It's quite the opposite really. I have the concern of many in mind
here.
Jerry Edwards has been investigated before, for fraud, online. His
picture, with warnings, is currently being circulated there. I'm not
sure what else to do but, report him. Luckily, I got out of this
group once I noticed his behavior. Though there are many, with whom
I'd become acquainted, which are not aware of what's going on. Most
of the people, as with many online groups, are in some fashion,
unstable to some extent and look to him for stability. His ideas and
actions leave me, giving comparison to the "Waco" incident. An
example to that is his wanting to put up barriers around the land
upon which the citizens of this tribe are to reside. Keep in mind
that there are to be no husbands, children nor grandchildren allowed
to live upon this land. That doesn't mean that the men who will live
there cannot have their wives living there.
There are some that have left the group or have been thrown out, so
to speak. But, there are still so many that are susceptible. And
there's the matter of drug usage and the selling of drugs, welfare
fraud and so much more being done by this man. He is growing
psycodelic mushrooms inside his home and has been selling them. He
is also purchasing, by land contract, 80 acres of land at Little
South Fork, which is supposed to be "tribal land", and is paying for
it with donations from citizens, yahoo group members and folks who
try to get into this CKYC.
It is important that this matter be investigated and that this man
is stopped by the authorities, as well as the media. It is my
intention to make reports to all those that should be notified. I do
have some proof to what I've written here and I pray that this
isn't "one of those things" that is put into a stack of papers
marked "forgotten".
Thank you so much for your time. I pray that you can help me protect
others and bring this man to justice. I'm also attaching a picture
of Jerry Edwards aka Uku Yonv.
Sincerely, Mary Anna McKitric
A list of other places of which I'm sending this letter (either via
email or postal) or by telephone, the following:
1. Commonwealth Journal – Ken Shmidheiser, Editor
2. McCreary County Record – Janie Slaven, Staff Reporter
3. The Lexington Herald Leader
4. Kentucky State Police
5. Pulaski County Sheriff's Department
6. McCreary County Sheriff's Department
7. Office of the Inspector General
8. Commonwealth of Kentucky – Cabinet for Health and Family Services
9. Social Security Administration
10. Omsbudsman
11. Native Voices Radio
12. Cherokee Nation (Online Group)
13. Tsalagi Language (Online Group)
14. Cherokee Tradition (Online Group)
15. Cherokee Talk (Online Group)
16. Native Internet Users
17. Cherokee Phoenix Newspaper
18. Red Nation
19. The Advocate Messenger
20. Red Road Newsletter
21. Cherokee Nation – Mexico
22. Various Other Yahoo Groups, Native American Organizations,
Media, Family and Friends
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Thank you so much for this post. It confirms all the information we have obtained on this fraud. He has been bizzar from the start. With all you have spoken it a very dangerous group. I will say prayers to keep you safe.
I will be in KY/TN the month of June so if there anything I can do to help you, please post me a message as I will be following this site while there. I did email the Burnside Chamber of commerence many months back as to this fraud, but never heard back. Thank you so very much for stepping forward.
Wado Weheli :)
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Yet more that's been passed along. Hard to believe anyone could think this was traditional Cherokee. It's amusing to Spot The Nuage Buzzwords and Phrases>>>.
This kind of stuff is pure comedy gold.
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"Emene! We have work to do. All things in their time. In the last while, I have had to practice my own lesson that it is OK not to know for a time. Trust is what it is all about. I know it is difficult to see those in leadership positions struggle, but in that is another lesson I have to practice. That is to let go, and again, Trust."
Trust me! I'm no politician, I'm super spirchul!
"What I do know is that this is no game, and those who do not understand, I can do nothing about."
Hey, everybody understands. We just ARENT FOOLED. There's a difference.
"The only thing I/we can do is hold the coarse"
And not, apparently, hold onto a spelling dictionary.
"and Trust that Creator will continue blessing this Family as it has been blessed.
Look at the blessings. Our prayers for land has been answered. Our Noh for Profit Status is now within our grasp. The Wazhazhe have embraced us in the Ancient unified nature of our mutual bloodlines. This Path we Walk is correct. It is upright and without self serving agendas. it is the Way and it is our intent to maintain good relations where they can be made."
Yeah, nothing self serving about declaring yourself Chief For Life. Or demanding money.
"We >>>stand in the Light. We do not avoid communication to >>>hide our true intent. We do not say one thing and do another. It is the Way of Respect and honor. We Love, yet we acknowledge that which is clear."
You've never been clear since we've met you.
"For that is Walking in Truth, and that is Spirit. It is not popular among those who have something to hide. It is not wanted where there is a lack of understanding in ones self. That is because >>>in the Light is the revelation of self and that scares the hell out of the majority."
Actually your BS doesn't scare so much as amuse.
"We will never be strong in numbers in the bigger picture,"
Of course not, most people have caught on.
"but we will have the most powerful thing in the Universe, in all creation available. Truth. >>>Love heals through the Truth. >>>The Truth is the Salt of the Earth and the Glue that holds all things together."
Truth is salt and truth is glue. OK...I wouldn't want you cooking around me.
"It is that which is feared above all things by those who are afraid to look at themselves.
Appearances and illusion serves those who are afraid of what they will find when they finally look at themselves. I do not care what anyone says, it is not about being Indian or Jewish, Christian or anything other than a Real Human Being. Yes, my blood boils in my veins and through my heart."
Get yourself to an Anger Management Course!
"Yes, my skin is white and i look like a hundred thousand mixed bloods,"
Nope, I rarely see mixedbloods look as foolish as you do in your Smoky the Bear hat.
"but, I understand, it is not about my skin, it is about my spirit and my heart where that spirit lives in union with the Spirit of the All that Is.
I am so tired of Children who attack just to >>>exalt their own state of being. It is a state of being that is twisted and convoluted because they do not know who they truly are. If they did, they would recognize their relations. The Indian People will never find unity until the BS stops and the attacks stop on each other in the effort to validate their own Indianess.
Everybody is an expert."
You sure aren't.
"You ought to see the garbage i get from time to time on this computer. Children lashing out at something they do not understand. But, if we maintain our integrity and hold the coarse, In time, Creator works all things and will bless our commitment to the Way. it is the Path of our Ancestors and has been written in our hearts since the beginning.
We fell from Unity consciousness and lost it in that we forgot who we truly are. We have reached that time in the epochs of time when the Whole Universe will Contract and Unity will be restored, the Earth Mother Will Heal and the People will remember. It will happen faster than many think when it goes down.
Call me a fanatic,"
We already have.
"call me what you will, but do not think I will compromise for one minute the Responsibility the Creator has given and ordained"
Responsbility ordained you? Is Responsibility a cardinal or bishop?
"as my part, and this collective, this Family's part in the Great Shift"
Here comes the Nuage flood!
"into the Sixth World."
Sounds like a twisted version of Aztec beliefs.
Forgive my dissertation, but i must."
Did you mean digression, bubba?
"blessings
Uku Yonv"
OK, he claims Yonv is his first name now. So it's like he's calling himself "Chief "Jerry"?
On a more serious note, we've gotten some even more disturbing reports which I'll post soon.
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;D ;D ;DI would be laughing if this was not so rediculous and dangerous. Indeed it sounds like Jim Jones. Does Jerry really believe his is A "God"??? We are his children??? VERY<VERY dangerous cult. Jerry i am Cherokee and NO what you are saying is not nor has ever been Cherokee, even in the oldest tradition. :( Jerry is walking himself a very dangerous path that will turn on him, and this is not the The First Peoples path.
Jerry look in the mirror and come to know yourself.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Wado Weheli ::)
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The latest account I received. Way beyond just bizarre or foolish, now there are allegations of sexual abuse, theft or cheating people out of money, and a history of mental health problems, drug use and sales, and a criminal record for Edwards.
These we need to get at right away. Anyone know how to track down if someone is a felon or was in a mental hospital? That last one I'd think would be confidential. Everyone should keep in mind these are reported ALLEGATIONS.
Some information deleted to keep the ID secret.
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"The whole thing will eventually be run by Charlie Lame Deer and James Plenty Stars although I have not seen any communication from him. He is on the road as a long distance driver.The name is being changed and they are again awaiting not for profit status and are incorporating in the name of Chickamauga Wazhazshe (sp) not even sure about the spelling.
The story is the Cherokees were children of the stars and Charlies group are children of the sun same cosmic. interplanetary connections. First hand from Edwards "he is not a human but a highly evolved entity in a human body."
It is very small except for Charlies group who are made up of about 45-50 people minimum.
Most are not on-line.
On Edwards, different states he scammed in and the time he was in jail for a felony in New Jersey and his extensive visits to different hospitals for drugs. He is currently growing hallucinigenic mushrooms in what was a bedroom in the trailer.
The young girl he was sending money to. Lots of money to come to Kentucky. She never showed up. They prey mostly on needy. Dysfunctional women who Edwards feels are easy money and sex objects. He admits to a sexual addiction and at this time is without a female partner and is trying to get Laura his wife back. The divorce has not been filed and he was going to marry Karla in a phoney Cherokee wedding. They are slated to have a Gathering in Kentucky in July. They will be coming here to the "Sacred Land" and pitch tents there.
His wife predicts he will relocate to Alabama to be with Charlie or go to Florida again.
The sexual abuse is subtle and pervasive. It is said that having sex with an "Uku" is viewed as above anything else so there is no rape but persuasion and attacks verbally and harassment if you refuse."
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Go into either New Jersey or Florida to look for criminial record. Those are public records.
Mental health hospitals, that is confidential, unless there was a felon committed and that is part of their sentencing.
If no records are found in those states, go into other states that he has also lived.
Jerry start packing. You are not going to like what is coming your way. The D.A.'s office is very interested in what you and your unethical guitar picking attorney tried to do to me.
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Mary Anna,
I have a rather large research folder on Jerry Edwards. There may be somethigs that could be of some use to you. I no longer need them, for my dealings with him are on a different level now. If you want them, let me know I will send them to you.
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or go to Florida again.
The sexual abuse is subtle and pervasive. It is said that having sex with an "Uku" is viewed as above anything else so there is no rape but persuasion and attacks verbally and harassment if you refuse."
What part of Florida has he been in previously? Yeah if he heads this way with that kind of background it won't too long before word gets out. If anyone hears he has groups etc starting here please drop me a note as I am interested in this saga. We don't need any more garbage here the new age stores are filled enough with fake people in FL selling their fake wannabe stuff.
Linda.
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I was just checking out Jerry"s site and was unable to find it. I did try http:cherokeeofkentucky.org/faqs.htm and there it was but no pictures of Edwards with a couple new things added. ::) So Jerry are you on the run?? Taking your picture off won't help, as we all know what you look like. So is Charlie Lame Deer going yo be left to clean up your sh..? ;D
Weheli
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Is this the right link? http://www.cherokeesofkentucky.org/faqs.htm
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Such a shame ,,, let's not forget the pity part, such a pity too...
Date: Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:57 am
Subject: Unole
Osiyo Sidanelv ale sunale osda,
It is on the wind, all that is to be. It has been set in motion eons ago by the Ancestors, through the Will of Yehowah, (Creator)....It is as the great in breath and out breath of Creator. Please, I know that is Buddhist, I am making a point.
....I am saying that we are now approaching that point where it is the in-between time. I know there are those who will crucify me for using some of what Trox has said, but the information is solid, so, it is called the Untime, Time/Untime. it is the moment when all things come to rest and the Universe and all creation come to rest and pay homage to the Source from which it sprung....It is the combination of the Counter Rotating Spirals that maintain the balance of all things. As above, So below.
....I do send my love, even to those who would walk on it. it has endured more than a few disgruntled souls down through time.
Dohi, (Peace)
Uku Yonv
Anitsisqua
This is exactly what someone from the Manataka online forum was spewing. Much of the stuff on this lengthy post ,,, sounds familiar. Oh no couldn't be a connection between these people and Manataka, the church or government, secret societies or others. In all your glory, you seem very much like them to me. This is just a different kind of popularity contest. Must be those southerly winds. I'm not going to kiss your rear end either. PU
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In all your glory, you seem very much like them to me. This is just a different kind of popularity contest. Must be those southerly winds. I'm not going to kiss your rear end either.
I hope those remarks aren't aimed at us. It's impossible to tell who you're talking to there.
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Hey Jerry,
Heard about the blue explorer you have with your chicamauga sticker.
HEY YOU CAN RUN BUT YOU CAN NOT HIDE. EVERYBODY THERE KNOWS YOU NOW!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Weheli
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Yonv is not down, He's changing his website. My friend informed him he had inaccurate information on the site. He often goes after people like this he finds on the web and tells them about the false stuff they have up.
Problem: He's taken what my friend said and is making changes to his site. And now he is claiming the backing of the CNO.
His recent message was posted to a group I belong to.
yonv777@alltel.net writes:
Osiyo Sidanelv ale sunale osda
You know, anytime there are changes, there is always a time of digestion. Re-evaluation of what the nature of things are occurs in all who are affected. I know myself, I have gone through a period where I have had to work at staying focused. I get up most every morning around 4 AM. I make my coffee and come over to the studio where my computer is and think i would like to find a few posts from the Family.
What is interesting is, the private emails i get from folks who do not normally post. It reminds me that you all are still out there. Like this morning, I found three new emails. That is OK, but I ask Creator what i can do to stimulate you into feeling like just sharing a little. Here is the answer I receive.
Grandfather tells me to just keep on keeping on. There will be a time where you realize just how important the work this Family is doing in the bigger picture. I am told in my spirit that you are watching and wanting to learn more. I am told that you want to experience you Tsalagi heritage and that will come more as time goes on.
Another thing I am shown is, nobody is going away. That tells me you are at least listening to the teachings and that they are important. For now, it is important to hear the teachings of the Way. For the new folks, that is the Way of the True Human being. that is the foundation for all indigenous cultures. It is the Way of Spirit and the Way of living with the Earth Mother in rhythm and harmony.
You should know, I have been contacted by folks from the CNO, the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. The people who contacted me are Traditional who have studied our website. It is interesting because this goes along with what Creator has been showing me. In its time, the traditions and ancient information will come and be added to our part.
What i am trying to say is this. Because of the approach that was given to me from the beginning, though we have shared much in relation to our Cherokee heritage, the focus has been on healing and accepting ourselves for who we are. Let's face it, the face of the Indian has changed in the last 100 years. The influx of inter marriage and the resulting mixed blood faction of the Cherokee Nation has certainly emerged.
That has come with much difficulty. We have a race of people with many white faces experiencing their Native Blood. There has also been a backlash in that, the full bloods on the reservations have been hesitant to embrace the new face of the culmination of this phenomenon. Here we are, living in a world gone crazy, mixed blood, and caught between worlds. There has been a literal fight to maintain identities.
An example of that is the attacks we experience once in a while by narrow minded self righteous people like the one who runs the Native fraud sites. No understanding of what is really going on and an anger that hurts many people who cannot stand to assaults. Of coarse that is a whole other subject, but it serves as a reference to the disease.
Many of you are working through the whole, "Who am I thing" trying to establish in your own hearts the balance between your mixed bloods, the way you feel, which brought you here and how to become what your hearts tell you that you are.That is fine and good.
It is not easy. In is a work of determination. You must be committed if you are going to walk this path. I would say that many of you have experienced some form of discrimination in relation to being white on the outside and red on the inside. I know I have. Ignorant people asking questions as to how much Indian you are is what I am relating to.
Most do not mean anything by it, it is just a way of making conversation. But, it can grate on you for sure. In reality, it is a good question in the sense of forcing us to look in our own hearts. It bears the question, what right do we have to claim anything. The answer to that is, every right. You see, being Indian is more than outward appearance.
For us, it is a choice as to what path we go down, Of coarse, everyone has a choice, but the idea that we are born with multi cultural backgrounds and the fact that we have chosen to follow our heart and go down the Indian way speaks very clearly that there is a spirit in each one of us that is truly Indian.
That brings me to this Family. I want you all to consider what it means to you. For relationship to happen, there must be communication. So I ask you to answer one question. Are you Cherokee or Lakota or any other of the indigenous peoples and do you want to make a difference? what I am getting at here is, are you willing to be part of something that may have a Unifying affect with the Indian People.
Are you interested in anything more than your day to day lives and is this just some curiosity to you. I have many people who apply for citizenship ask if we will help with their genealogy. that seems to be one of the first things they are interested in. that is not bad, but, it is just a part of realizing who you are.
this path is so unique and different than the White way of doing things that when it is truly integrated into someone's life, it calls for many adjustments. People find that the truth of being Indian is not some game or hobby. It gets very serious and a large portion of people can not stand that pressure.
i think that is in part the answer to the question as to why people are so quiet here. At least you are willing to sit back and learn. That is commendable. Like I said, we are not have a rush to the door to leave. I mentioned earlier that I have been contacted by the Priesthood, the Adawehi, (Ah-dah-way-hee) of the Cherokee Nation Proper. They are interested in making sure the information that is given is in line with records they have that go back some 10,000 years. they still practice the Old Ways and ceremonies in the language.
Folks, this should cause your ears to perk up. As i said, time will come when the cultural aspect of things will come. We have been doing this for 7 years now. There you go, 7, a sacred number and no coincidence that we are now beginning to be blessed with certain information that will add the dimension to us that will bring our heritage into much more focus.
These people in studying our web site were impressed enough to contact me. i say impressed with all humbleness and humility. I say that because it was the presentation and the Way things are presented that got their attention. In other words, they recognized the spirit of the AniYvWiya in us and decided to single us out to share with.
How this goes will depend on how we grow and assimilate the information. I having some things on the website adjusted to bring some of the information they have shared into focus. It is subtle, because we were not far off and the spirit is there.
You should be proud to be part of this Family. If you are not, you are not paying attention. The foundation is constantly being laid for doing things in a proper manner and in the best way possible. i pray you are absorbing all you read and allowing it to work in your hearts. You notice I did not say on your hearts. In your heart is where this whole thing begins.
It goes on with more, but I can't fit it all on here.
William
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Here is the rest of that email posted:
more and give you a greater sense of who you are.
That may sound silly, but it is not really. I know LeeSa does finger weaving, Frank Looking Eagle does beadwork and has made his own regalia. What interests you. We have the Gathering coming up and we are going to have a trade day. Do you make something we could trade or sell? let's get to being Indian people. Get connected to you heritage through acting on it.
i make flutes and gourd work. I make moccasins and jewelry. You do not have to be an expert. You cannot know until you try. i am telling you, doing a little craftwork puts you in touch with your native heritage. It is one way, but it is a good way. Make a dream catcher, collect some stones. Talk to your stones. Talk to a tree, listen to it after you do. You will hear answers in your heart.
Buy yourself a CD of Indian music. If you want to be Indian, start integrating the culture into your life in a proactive way. I have gone on for a while this morning. I pray you have gotten something from all that has been said. i want to see this Tribe become and experience the Indian aspect of who we are. We are going to begin to integrate that aspect of the teaching more as we move forward.
if anyone has a question, understand, we have many people at many different levels. There is no stupid question. If you have a question, no matter how silly you may think it is, ask it. Let's get moving and lets embrace each other in a conscious effort to raise the level of unity among ourselves and in ourselves.
Does anyone know what a Stomp Dance is? There you go, there is a question. I want to see if someone has read this far and is willing to answer that one. I am Cherokee, what are you?
i send my love as always and prayers for the good of the All.
Atsilvquodiyu (Aht-chee-luh-quo-dee-you) Respectfully
Yonv
PS, by the way, for the new folks, you have four chiefs and two clan mothers at this present time. I am Yonv, (Yoh-nuh) the Principal Chief, there is , who is the principal speaker to the Principal Chief, there is who is Right hand to the Principal Chief, you have Chief Giga Tali who is the Red Chief or War Chief and Clan Mother RiverHawk who is Bird Clan Mother, and Clan Mother Red Sky who is the Blue Clan Mother. We do not have the other Clans covered yet with Clan Mothers, but if you have any questions concerning these things, then please, by all means, ask
William
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Poor Jerry Edwards, he keeps hanging himself with his own words, one Freudian slip after another. I think he admitted at least half a dozen times here that he is NOT Cherokee.
"Grandfather tells me to just keep on keeping on."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of a single example of a Cherokee leader, spiritual or otherwise, referring to grandfather repeatedly. It sounds like Edwards is imitating Nuagers who imitate Lakota.
"There will be a time where you realize just how important the work this Family is doing"
Nice of him to admit to not being an actual tribe. I kept thinking of that cult from The Omega Man, The Family.
"I am told that you want to experience you Tsalagi heritage and that will come more as time goes on."
Nice of him to admit they are NOT Cherokee, at least "not yet."
"You should know, I have been contacted by folks from the CNO, the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. The people who contacted me are Traditional who have studied our website."
Interesting. I'll try and see what Richard Allen has to say about that claim. Remember before that he claimed the CNO had oral historians agreeing with his claim about Yawahoo Falls? Then he never would say their names or office.
My main fear here would be that he might be in touch with Wm Anderson's bunch claiming to be Keetowahs.
"Because of the approach that was given to me from the beginning"
The beginning? But you were kicked out (or left) when after first tried to set up the UCN.
"There has also been a backlash in that, the full bloods on the reservations have been hesitant"
Oh brother. He doesn't even know the CNO has no rez and hasn't for many decades.
Or could he be referring to me? I'm neither fullblood nor live on the rez.
"An example of that is the attacks we experience once in a while by narrow minded self righteous people like the one who runs the Native fraud sites."
Yeah, I guess he does mean me. Interesting how he has to engage in RACE BAITING of fullbloods, appeal to their fear of fullblood NDNs. I suppose he could've seen my photo, and some have mistaken me for fullblood before. Not other NDNs, but whites have.
"Are you interested in anything more than your day to day lives and is this just some curiosity to you. I have many people who apply for citizenship ask if we will help with their genealogy. that seems to be one of the first things they are interested in."
That tells us, again, his group is mostly PODIAs.
"i think that is in part the answer to the question as to why people are so quiet here."
Yeah, they just don't know any better, and the "Im so spirchul" routine he lays on them intimidates them. Or many of them could just be only slightly interested.
"I have been contacted by the Priesthood, the Adawehi, (Ah-dah-way-hee) of the Cherokee Nation Proper."
I recall a conversation in here about that alleged Keetowah society in NY, where Richard Allen mentioned an account of all the Cherokee priesthood being killed off several centuries ago.
In any case, it's not like the CNO has official govt priests on the payroll, like what he's implying.
"time will come when the cultural aspect of things will come."
There he goes again, admitting they are not Cherokee culturally, at least "not yet."
"We have been doing this for 7 years now. There you go, 7, a sacred number and no coincidence"
Is seven considered a sacred number by the Cherokee?
"You should be proud to be part of this Family."
Again, admitting to not being a tribe.
"If you are not, you are not paying attention."
That'd be my guess. Many of them joined and read the stuff once a month, that's it.
"i pray you are absorbing all you read and allowing it to work in your hearts. You notice I did not say on your hearts."
That sounds like a fortune cookie.
"That may sound silly, let's get to being Indian people."
Again, he Admits to they are Not NDNs, only want to be.
"Make a dream catcher"
Wrong tribe bubba.
"If you want to be Indian"
Again! ;D
"i want to see this Tribe become and experience the Indian aspect of who we are."
And Again! ;D
The Indian aspect? In other words, you admit most of what you do is Not NDN.
And not even saying Cherokee anymore, but generic Indian.
"Does anyone know what a Stomp Dance is?"
He really has to explain that? Quite an admission.
"PS, by the way, for the new folks, you have four chiefs and two clan mothers at this present time. I am Yonv, (Yoh-nuh) the Principal Chief, there is , who is the principal speaker to the Principal Chief, there is who is Right hand to the Principal Chief, you have Chief Giga Tali who is the Red Chief or War Chief and Clan Mother RiverHawk who is Bird Clan Mother, and Clan Mother Red Sky who is the Blue Clan Mother. We do not have the other Clans covered yet with Clan Mothers"
Only two clans now? They seem to have lost some. Earlier they'd reduced from seven to four.
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;D AL, you have hit this right on. It is obvious he is grasping at straws. I had to laugh at his saying the CNO was interested in his site, WELL YA, they were notified of his fraudulant ways and checked it out for themself!!!! And to state " they were very interested as his teachings were not far from the REAL teachings", Give me a break ;D, Jerry nothing you say is Cherokee, and they are going to teach you traditions that are 10,000 years old. YOU? Thats not the way of things bud. Shows your stupidity even more. What they told you was get the site down and quit spewing ignorance in the name of Cherokee or They would do something about it!!!!!
NO ONE is going to tell you about the stomp Dance, which was your agenda there. YOU don't know!!! You were wanting that teaching, sorry bud, not going to happen...
Very alone and lonely hey??? Not getting any messages from your "family". They have all left, not even a wife anymore, hey??
"you can be taught to be an ndn, even if your not." How ignorant are you??? :o
Otter Village gone, all there down the tubes, Burnside and Puluski County police on you tail???? No where to run??? Just a lonely yonega/white man(your words not mine) sitting there with his cup of coffee, waiting for an e mail from somebody, anybody....... :-/
Weheli :)
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Sorry I was out of town yesterday.
My friend who is CNO and also a friend of Trish's was the person who contacted Yonv. He told him very politely his site was fraudulent and incorrect.
This was the extent of his CNO contact. Yonv did ask questions and expected to be answered. He gave away that he knows NOTHING. Absolutely NOTHING.
It is amazing how he took the information that his site was a fraud and turned it around to claim the CNO is in contact and going to give them information. He's grasping at straws in order to keep his dwindling followers.
:o How does such an idiot gather any kind of following?
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Here is a note from someone I've known just a short time. Seems the man's group is falling apart.
I know his websites are down.
[i]It was so good reading your post, the silence about these groups has
been held for so long. I know I was embarrassed to say I had been taken
in. and must confess that my name should have been gullible. (don't
know how it would be translated into Tsalagi) not pretty I'm sure.
They can sound so credible and when they do foolish things you want to
believe that is just their lack of knowledge from what was hid from
them. I know the Cherokee group I belonged to in Ky has fell apart.
Jerry (Yonv) who calls himself a Uku goes up on the hill with his pipe to
do ceremony. I saw practices that were blatantly Lakota but not Cherokee…
His sweats for one. He just left the lodge with men sitting there who were
doing this for the first time to go in and finish watching the scifi channel.
He is addicted to science fiction and aliens. He claims we come from Pleiades
in a ship and signed on for this mission to create the sacred hoop. He
is a highly evolved “entity??? in this human body but was a "walk in" and they took
Jerry out...(not far enough though.)
He is uneducated but has the gift to remember all he reads so can quote a book
at the drop of the hat. It is still erroneous information.
He went into hiding and used the 'Real Human Beings" as his new site and now
feels comfortable enough to come out. He and his wife who passes herself off
as a Clan Mother and is a Sicilian Strega (witch) by her own words. They are
setting up a new Cherokee of Kentucky site again. It will not last long since he is
now under investigation and will reap what he has sown.
It is so imperative that we are careful before we join up that we actually know
the person and who they truly are. The problem is they infiltrate so
many Cherokee groups to solicit for members .I just joined a prayer
group and wondered why some of us are receiving hate mail and then
recognized one of his members is also a member of this group so he
gets his information from many sites.
IT will be along time before I can trust again but never someone who uses the
title Peace Chief, Uku and the Principal Chief of a small group of people. I know
first hand that the CNO and Eastern Band are so political that you will not find
acceptance there either so it makes it that much harder when people looking
for community and are taken in and used by charletans[/i].
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In response to the email sent to William. It is sad that people have such a strong desire of the need to fit in that they compromise their own beliefs to follow those that are defiantly dilussional.
I myself have tried to stress to people, that they will not find their spirituality in someone else, but it starts within them.
The CKY is a prime example of what was discussed under "People don't donate enough".
Edwards himself is one of many exploiters out there that are taking advantage of the issues that many in the urban areas are dealing with.
I myself would rather be alone than to be a part of a group, which uses manipulation, lies, and threats. Those that belong to the CKY would be better off joining a bowling league. At least they could all enjoy a social enviroment without all the insane teachings of a person that has some serious issues. His extreme behavior speaks volumes, a man that has a low self esteem. ? Hard to be a leader when dealing with personality disorders.
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William,
I was reading your last post and noticed that it said his new site is called "Real Human Beings". Are you able to obtain a link to that site, or is it still being constructed? I have not been able to find it.
Wado Weheli :)
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Apparently he is having someone constructing this. I'll let you know when I hear anything more.
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I just learned that Yonv is in Burnside for now. I also learned he did not get his not for profit statis and has NOT reported that he has collected OVER $15,000 at this time for land and "tribal affairs".
This came from a current member of his group.