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TrishaRoseJacobs

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hopi statement?
« on: September 10, 2005, 08:52:48 am »
Looking for information on the following statement. Just trying to find out if it really was written by Hopi Elders.


"You have been telling the people that this is the Eleventh Hour.
Now you must go back and tell the people that this is the Hour.
And there are things to be considered:
Where are you living?
What are you doing?
What are your relationships?
Are you in right relation?
Where is your water?
Know your garden.
It is time to speak your Truth.
Create your community.
Be good to each other.
And do not look outside yourself for the leader.
This could be a good time!
There is a river flowing now very fast.
It is so great and swift that there are those who will be afraid.
They will try to hold on to the shore.
They will feel they are being torn apart, and they will suffer greatly.
Know the river has its destination.
The elders say we must let go of the shore, push off into the middle of
the river, keep our eyes open, and our heads above the water.
See who is in there with you and celebrate.
At this time in history, we are to take nothing personally.
Least of all, ourselves.
For the moment that we do, our spiritual growth and journey comes to a
halt. The time of the lone wolf is over. Gather yourselves!
Banish the word struggle from your attitude and your vocabulary.
All that we do now must be done in a sacred manner and in celebration.
We are the ones we've been waiting for."
--The Elders, Oraibi, Arizona Hopi Nation"

Offline educatedindian

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Re: hopi statement?
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2005, 02:48:49 pm »
Almost 600 sites carry that message, most of them twink. But one that isn't had something interesting to say.
http://www.jcrows.com/HopiElders.html
Sat, 22 Mar 2003 15:07:21 +0100
    From:
         IntuitivesAtmen@t-online.de (Karl Scherer)
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         garuda@serve.com
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Dear Friends,
as the Hopi tradition is  probably the oldest  existing oral tradition on Turtle Island claiming the same incredible amount of historical lineage as
does  BON, and having visited and studied with Hopi Elders in the seventies as well as talked at length with Lopon Tenzin Namdak on significant
similiarities both in teaching as well as ritual in the Native American and BON traditions, I feel inclined to comment on this "message" :
It is  as highly unlikely that this mesage - nice as it sounds - originates from the Hopis, as it  was unlikely  that H.H. the Dalai Lama was the source for the 3rd re-emergence of the new age
"nepali-good-luck-tantra" on the internet.
As a matter of fact this "message"  seems to originate from an Cherokee elder named Will Rockingbear otherwise not noted as a spiritual Leader amongst Native Americans and seems inconsistent with authentic statements made by HOPI Lineageholders themselves except for the first 6 possibly 9 lines of the  "message". Otherwise it seems at best a well meant but strongly edited and synthesized amalgam with line number 10 >10) DO NOT LOOK OUTSIDE YOURSELF FOR THE LEADER. < already contradicting Hopibeliefs  in the  value and the sagacity of  the
leadership of their Spiritual Elders.
Additionally Hopis are not inclined to authorize Native Americans of other tribes as their spokesmen simply because almost all of them have resorted to war in the past, whereas Hopis are bound by their vows to never resort to violence. According to Hopibeliefs to truely be a HOPI you have to undergo at least a 12 year course of intense initiations,retreats and ritual practices and then prove your unnderstanding in  action for  at
least a few more decades before being capable of repesenting the teachings.........
The  "message" appears to be a part of the partially well meant yet in effect destructive , but ongoing re-design and appropriation that many
ancient and authentic traditions suffer from  attempts made by the dominant culture to "fit for our modern world" .
In fact it downplays and contradicts in part the powerful spirtual message the Hopi tradition has to offer to the world. In this and in many other respects  it shows the same tragic pattern in the
fate of Tibetans and Native Americans, being marginalized in their own countries and facing ongoing genocide - both physical and spiritual - by
the hands of their invaders.
So as most people on this newsletter are both U.S.citizens and  followers of BON - being another tradition facing extinction in its homeland -  I
apologize to take your time to draw your attention to such issues as the one at hand.
Small as it may seem it shows that even in such small issues core spiritual beliefs are excerpted, taken out of context and reframed to fit the liking
of the "Zeitgeist". In effect it is as imperialistic in spirit as when  the people who invaded it,  named the continent  America  and did not even pause to ask the people they stole it from what the name of  their homeland had been for millenia.....
In any case this   "message"  was also featured on a website of the so-called "Rainbow Tribe" and an anti-globalisation group called  the http://www.tribalmessenger.org/  which otherwise  certainly makes a laudable effort to present the real message of the Hopis as told to them on
various rainbow gatherings.
The Hopis do in fact  have a  powerful message for the world as which guardians they perceive themselves - but it is much more dire and speaks of
major ethical self-restraints and personal and global sacrifice ( quite in the sense of the paramitas being accepted as the universal code of ethics worldwide) that need to be made to avoid catastrophe.

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Re: hopi statement?
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2005, 02:59:55 pm »
Another site where they describe Rockingbear passing along the alleged Hopi words.
http://www.sheridanhill.com/will-rockingbear.html

WR has trained some questionable people.
http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:mCKjUqYXTGQJ:www.nclew.org/disciplines.cfm%3FAction%3DDet%26ID%3D11+%22will+rockingbear&hl=en
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