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Offline nemesis

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Kiradjee™ Australian Aboriginal massage
« on: October 27, 2011, 10:12:20 am »
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Kiradjee™ Is a unique Australian form of body massage based on the practises of Aboriginal healers. The perfect combination of body correcting deep massage, balanced with Spiritual healing and pampering.

Kiradjee™ (Koorie (noun) – meaning “Healer”).
Each massage begins with a patented “Dreamtime” sequence of face, scalp & neck movements. This shuts down adrenaline over-production through specialised cranial trigger point work quickly leaving you in a state of bliss.

The perfect combination of pain free deep tissue massage, combined with indigenous knowledge on how to benefit your body that is thousands of years old.

Experience a treatment uniquely unlike any other modality, leaving you euphoric for hours and deeply relaxed within minutes.

The Kiradjee practitioner re-routs energy within the body. Releasing memories trapped in muscles and changing your breath in a lasting way. It promotes lasting natural sleep patterns and a more natural, consistent flow of energy through your body.

http://www.kiradjee.com/

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About John Odel:

John Odel, born in Adelaide – South Australia is the Founder of Kiradjee, a unique Australian form of Aboriginal based body massage drawing its wisdom from the dream-like nature of the Australian land.

Starting from a clinical background in massage in the early 80”s, John worked with worker rehabilitation services and was one of the few practitioners in South Australia to be granted a Provider number enabling him to work under the national health care system. He also attended the CIDESCO College in Adelaide and received training as a beauty therapist before turning full time to massage.

Odel founded his business with sports and remedial work partnering One-on-one fitness in Adelaide. He found himself drawn to more esoteric practises later training in Reiki, peristaltic, and healing practises, operating his own salon North Adelaide Massage Centre throughout the eighties.

He lived in Regional Australia for several years offering massage to and learning from Aboriginal healers, and forming a truly Australian/indigenous body massage became his obsession. Odel worked with several prominent dance companies including Twala Tharp in the US and the Australian Ballet in Australia focusing his desire to blend corrective/remedial deep tissue massage with healing sensitive bodywork. A sense of the masseur “dancing” through the treatment comes from this.

Odel conceived Kiradjee massage in 1992, which has received accreditation with the Australian Association of Massage Therapists and was VETAB accredited following national government guidelines for excellence in workplace training.

Perfected through 21 years of work and study including work with healing masters from Aboriginal tribes, Kiradjee involves a cross section of western and esoteric techniques.

Odel, a qualified workplace trainer & specialist in Reiki & Sports Massage is now teaching the origins and practical therapy of Kiradjee in the U.K. at Ritz Hotel Paris and the new Luxury Urban Retreat Day Spa in Harrods, London. He was also a key note speaker for the Excel Spa Conference in London.

Odel will launch Kiradjee in collaboration with Jurlique International in the USA later this year at the ISPA Conference in Las Vegas.

http://kiradjee.com/information.html

Where to start?

If this treatment is based on authentic Australian Aboriginal practices then who has trademarked it?  I very much doubt that the trademark is owned by Aboriginal people.

The FB page of the practitioner is here
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=646831355

I understand that for some time he worked as a masseur at Harrods in London

googling for Kiradjee turns up a lot of results for this site (link broken)

www.thermalstones.co.  uk

that WOT warns will harm my computer so I'm not clicking on it an would warn others not to click on it either.  


there are some photos of John Odel here.  He appears to be a white man and I am curious to know who the Aboriginal elders in the photos are.  I find it disconcerting that there is no information about these people, they just appear in the photos as if to validate his claims about his massage treatments being something to do with Aboriginal traditions.  

http://picasaweb.google.com/johnodel/Kiradjee

I would be grateful for any further information and / or thoughts


edited to add the following:

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At The Ritz check out the wacky Kiradjee Massage, based on, Aboriginal healing techniques. It’s the creation of John Odel inspired by his studies of Aboriginal culture, “I became fascinated by the philosophy and ideas of the Aboriginal people”, he explains. “I incorporate Aboriginal healing techniques and bodywork into my treatments which also include pressure point and Swedish massage methods”.
 
Odel’s treatment involves both the therapist and the client going into a dream-like state during the initial 20- minute back and scalp massage. This sets the tone for the treatment and, in a process called mirroring the client, being in such close proximity to the therapist, mirrors their breath and eventually their heartbeat without realising it.  Combined with pressure on specific Aboriginal trigger points between the shoulder blades, Kiradjee shuts down adrenaline production, speeds up the deep-relaxing process. “Clients are often delirious before this 20 minute back and scalp pre-treatment anointing period is complete, I call this the “healing state”, it sets the unique tone of Kiradjee,” says Odel. This  massage often induces feelings of euphoria and lightness of being resulting in a prolonged post treatment state of relaxation. Back to reality with the 195€ note.

 

http://www.bonjourparis.com/story/top-spas-buzz/

so Mr Odel works in the luxurious surroundings of Harrods and the Ritz Hotel earning $$$$ with his special Aboriginal massage.

I wonder just how much of his significant income he donates to Aboriginal people, many of whom live in situations unimaginable poverty and suffer the multi-generational traumas associated with racism, colonialism and genocide?



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Re: Kiradjee™ Alleged Australian Aboriginal massage & John Odel
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2011, 03:08:06 pm »
There are plenty of tribal cultures worldwide that have their own massage techniques, but this doesn't seem to be one of them. It basically is other recognized massage techniques with some alleged Aboriginal healing tossed on top as a marketing technique. The masseus is supposed to meditate and chant while massaging. One article says it doesn't seem to work.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/expathealth/4187341/Will-this-hurt.html
OK, I know it sounds completely mad - I mean, why on earth would you go in search of Aboriginal healers in Knightsbridge? - but I was getting desperate. (There's nothing like illness to make you feel a failure).

Still, it was with some trepidation that I arrived for my appointment, expecting didgeridoos; even, possibly, a man in a loin cloth.

Fortunately, John Odel, the Australian masseur responsible for what is known as the "Kiradjee treatment" (Kiradjee being the Aboriginal word for healer), turned out to be fully clothed; and there were no didgeridoos in sight: just a cup of "bush tea" (which tasted of nothing more sinister than apple juice) to get things started.

So there we were - me undressed on the massage table, John pressing into my scalp, really rather hard - when the aboriginal bit was supposed to begin. He is not an aborigine, though he did grow up on a farm in the Adelaide hills; and learnt his stuff from some aboriginal healers in central Australia.

John explained that he would enter "a dream-like state", while working on specific Kiradjee pressure points between my shoulder blades.

According to the blurb at the Aveda spa, it is at this point that clients become "delirious": but I have to say, no delirium ensued on my part.

I was a bit worried that the promised healing process would not ensue - did you have to get delirious to get better? - but after a while, I was too relaxed to care.

Whether John was in a trance, I couldn't tell - my eyes were shut, and he seemed simply to be doing a jolly good massage, unknotting my back and stretching my neck.

Afterwards, he looked quite normal, though I was a fright - his special blend of eucalyptus, geranium and camomile massage oil having turned my hair into a greasy bird's nest - but weirdly, I was still too relaxed to worry about having to travel home on the Tube, looking like a freak.

"You need to go home and schlump," said John, and schlump is what I did, stretched out on the sofa, sufficiently loosened to have collapsed into a heap.

As for the healing - well, who knows? Part of his secret is a silent mantra that he uses during the massage; but he wouldn't tell me what it was, even when I rang several days afterwards, to get him to share.
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This article names the tribes he supposedly learned from but not the elders. It does receive the endorsement...of an Aborginal who says he knows nothing of the traditions. There's also a tribe receiving a paltry 10% royalty for gathering herbs used in a spa. That's as poor a rate as Black rock musicians of the 1950s.

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http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/99074/mind_theres_an_aboriginal_idea
Body Experience was founded by Australian Janine Hawkins, a former IT specialist who decided to bail out before she burnt out. "I’ve always been passionate about health," she says. "I’ve also had a fascination with Aboriginal culture since I was a child. My grandparents spent three years living with Aborigines and I loved listening to the stories they told me about the dreamtime and the spirituality of their existence."

Sounds good in theory but does Body Experience live up to the hype? Or, is the "healthy Australian meets ancient Aboriginal" theme just a clever marketing ploy – a novel alternative to the Eastern, lotus blossom, joss- sticks-and-candles combo that dominates so many spas?

I have booked myself in for a Kiradjee, an Aboriginal-inspired treatment (Kylie and Elle McPherson are apparently big fans) created by Australian John Odel who learnt his techniques directly from healers of the Latji Latji and Coper Pedy tribes.

"Kiradjee means healer," says Odel. "It is a holistic massage that combines a few different styles of massage with Aboriginal healing rituals. Kiradjee therapists are taught to go into a meditative or dream state called tooranook before they begin. It involves a lot of work on the human energy field and spine. I was taught this by a Kungka (female elder) from the Latji Latji tribe."

Two hours later, I come out relaxed but a little spaced out. The treatment differs from an ordinary massage in that almost every part of your body is worked on, using different types of massage such as acupressure and deep-tissue techniques. In fact, I’m so chilled, I almost have to be carried to the "day-dream suite" where I am served a tropical fruit salad and left to admire the Australian landscapes on the walls.

Another native Australian invention soon to reach the UK is the Li’Tya range of beauty products. American distributor Gayle Heron, who has strong links with the state of Victoria’s Yaitmathang Aboriginal tribe, has obtained permission from the elders to create this organic line. Li’Tya means "of the earth" and it uses native ingredients that are harvested by the tribe who are paid for their labour and also receive 10 per cent of the profits.

Li’Tya is already available at the Willow Stream Spa at the Fairmont Turnberry Resort in Miami, a celebrity hot spot, where famous guests include Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. It’s also the only place in the US which offers the Aboriginal Dreaming Body Experience. "This treatment incorporates Aboriginal healing rituals derived from the Yaitmathang tribe," says Kenneth Ryan, spa director. "It also uses the Li’Tya products."

The treatment starts with a sacred smudging ritual, to cleanse negative energy, and meditation. This is followed by a two-hour treatment which involves a foot scrub, body exfoliation, mud application, steam, a special shower, followed by a foot, body and scalp massage. "The Aboriginal Dreaming Body Experience has a very powerful, spiritual component." says Ryan. "We are honoured to have permission from elders to use it."

But I can’t help thinking, what are the Aborigines really getting out of all of this? Are we hijacking their beliefs for our own gain? Odel thinks not.

"There are a few tribes who believe that it is important to impart their knowledge because their ancient practices are in danger of dying out. It is the Aborigines who hold the key on how to survive in Australia, yet already we’ve lost most of that knowledge."

But what do Aboriginal people think? "I think it’s wonderful that people are doing things to keep the culture alive," says Bobbi Maher, an Aboriginal Kiradjee therapist. "The problem is many young Aborigines aren’t interested in their culture, especially, if like me, you haven’t grown up among other Aborigines. Many people just associate Aborigines with boomerangs and didgeridoos. So, it’s great that someone’s finally looking at Aboriginal culture from a different angle."

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Re: Kiradjee™ Australian Aboriginal massage
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2011, 10:19:38 pm »
hi from Oz...I'm a white woman, but this is my 10 cents worth:

1. The masseur states that he's using techniques shown him by aboriginal people in South Australia and (maybe? Central Australia). Lots of regions, lots of languages, lots of peoples out there. He states he's using a Koori name for his massage. Koori is a term used for a group of peoples from NSW and Victoria, not South and Central Australia. So  he's chosen the name for aesthetic reasons...this jumped out at me without needing to look anything up. Australians would see that pretty quickly. Which is why he's marketing like this overseas...

2. He talks about kungkas, the Latji Latji and 'Coper Pedy' tribes. Kungka is a central australian term for woman. I dont know which language. I've never heard of the Latji Latji, which doesnt mean they're not real, just means they dont come up in australian search engines. The term 'Coper Pedy' gave me a giggle. Cooberpedy is a central Australian opal mining town. If you google the name you'll find it means 'white man in a hole'. It could be bad journalism, speaking of the 'Coper Pedy' tribe....there are certainly many aboriginal people living up there, but I've never heard of any of them making a living as masseurs from 'aboriginal massage'.

3. Odel's qualifications seem solid in terms of his massage expertise and he's managing to sustain clientele who are willing to pay up. He's probably someone who is very good at massage, who's found a way of marketing massage 'exotically'. He does have the name 'Kiradjee massage' registered here in Oz, but I suspect a lot of Australians would laugh at his tale.

4. Given the range of communities Mr Odel may have had contact with, I'm surprised that he is not paying more formal respect and recognition to them. He could acknowledge the traditional owners and custodians of the lands, as many white people who've worked in aboriginal communities do.

5. The whole showing of photos of aboriginal people and naming individuals is a bit complicated, and I dont pretend to understand it fully, but I do know that many aboriginal people living traditionally have a range of protocols about speaking people's names and showing photographs. Many australian tv shows that might cause offence by using photos, names or film, post a warning and an apology for any offence caused.

6. Many aboriginal communities, especially in South Central Australia and Central Australia are living in poverty, so yes, if someone has 'really' found  way of making lots of money from 'aboriginal massage', it would be wonderful if that person returned some of that profit to the communities who helped them!
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Re: Kiradjee™ Australian Aboriginal massage
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2011, 09:06:00 am »
Back again.
Little bit of info about Li'Tya's range of beauty products, etc etc.
Here's their Australian website:
http://www.litya.com/

few comments:
- Gayle Heron may well have links to people who identify as Yaitmathang (sic). The Australian context is a little different, I think, than what I read about here.  The Aust. Government finally apologised to the stolen generations of aboriginals of mixed descent in 2008. The focus in the past few years has been of healing trauma for people who've had their aboriginality denied them for a lifetime. Anyone who identifies as indigenous and/or has links to aboriginal communities is likely to be accepted as such.
- Having said that, it's  sad to see the way the 'Yaithmathang tribe' are described. The Yaithmathang people were from northern Gippsland and the  high country as far as I know. Great farmland means (of course) that historically peoples from the Gippsland area were displaced early on by settlers (at best- if not massacred) Its not as if there's a thriving tribe out there, busily picking herbs for beauty products, cozy in their tribal lands.
- The Li'Tya website makes reference to a number of elders who've helped create the range but doesnt name any of them.
- The Li'Tya website does, however, have a section called 'Giving Back' . The website states:

"We feel compassionate in our beliefs and together with the advice of Aboriginal elders, set about giving back to the communities, as integral extension of our entire operation, to return a portion of our income to the Aboriginal people". Gayle Heron.

" LI’TYA has recently partnered with the Yothu Yindi Foundation (YYF) to support one of their most recent initiatives. Dilthan Yolngunha: The Healing Place, is a groundbreaking community respite and rehabilitation service at Gulkula, near Nhulunbuy in North East Arnhem Land. It was set up in May 2007 under a trial sponsored by YYF and has proven extremely beneficial to all involved."


Googling Healing Place, I found this: (my highlighting follows)
http://www.alcastongallery.com.au/friends/news_page.cfm?id=42

At Dilthan Yolngunha, Yolngu women led by artist and senior healer Gulumbu Yunupingu are treating Indigenous people through traditional healing practices, using medicines from the 'bush pharmacy' and time-honoured cultural practices and traditions.

“It is a mini-hospital,” said Ms Yunupingu. “The patient has the treatment. After the treatment, maybe in the evening, we put on a musical or someone to sing songs for dancing or make them happy. Not just treat them and leave them there.”

Dilthan Yolngunha specialises in using traditional medicine and treatment methods to treat people suffering from ailments such as depression, drug addiction and cancer.

Given its popularity and desire to generate its own income, Dilthan Yolngunha has decided to market its services on a limited commercial basis. Beginning at the start of the 2008 dry season, Dilthan Yolngunha will extend an invitation to non-Yolngu visitors who want to learn from and experience these traditional, holistic healing techniques in a remote bush setting.

Dilthan Yolngunha will be offering a three-day “Healing Tourism” program with a focus on traditional healers, bush medicines and foods, and wellbeing through connections to land and Yolngu culture. This is an opportunity for a genuine culturally aware travel experience where participants will learn first-hand about landscape, bush craft, spirituality and traditional Yolngu medicine.

The three-day program has been developed by senior Yolngu women as a way of sharing their knowledge and preserving their traditional healing systems. Traditional herbalists and masseurs will be on-hand, and opportunities for questions, observation and demonstrations will be scattered throughout the program.

“Our mission is to establish a good working relationship between Indigenous and non-Indigenous medicine,” said Ms Yunupingu. “This is about showcasing our healing and proving it is equally important as the white man’s tablets.”

One of the long-term goals is to eventually establish more Healing Places in Arnhem Land.

© Yothu Yindi Foundation 2008

- Yothu Yindi Foundation is completely genuine. It's an intitiative created by the band Yothu Yindi. Their singer Mandawuy Yunupingu is a former Australian of the Year and has done an enormous amount in terms of putting Aboriginal and Torres strait islanders rights and land rights into the national consciousness.

- The foundation name Yothu Yindi and the family name Yunupingu lead me to believe that Healing Place was set up in good faith. I couldnt find a current website for Healing Place (all that info's from 2008). I couldnt find any mention of a partnership with Li'Tya in the Yothu Yindi foundation's websites. Current activities of the Yothu Yindi Foundation are here:
http://www.garmafestival.com.au/yy_foundation.htm

The Healing Place work is taking place in Arnhem Land in the north of Australia, and there's certainly people living traditionally up there. Not Yaithmathang tho- Yolngu. I believe that it's probably a great program. I do wonder tho, how much input the Li'Tya people really had? MAybe they took part in some workshops, paid and/or donated, and have run with what they've learnt.
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Re: Kiradjee™ Australian Aboriginal massage
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2011, 02:16:26 am »
Me again

it just goes on and on and on.....

found an academic from University of Sydney's research on Li'Tya, from 2006.

Link is:
http://blogs.usyd.edu.au/elac/2006/09/market_value_of_aboriginal_wor.html

Article called 'Market value of Aboriginal Words'
Article follows:

Diverting myself from contemplation of pronouns, I was led via the Indigenous alert (you get this by e-mailing library.research AT facs.gov.au) to a story on a spa in Queensland where the writer was testing

"Lowana from Li'Tya, a range of products and treatments which draw inspiration from indigenous Australian culture"
'Lowana' caught my attention, since I have been idling around with the etymology of lubra, which takes in Oyster Bay Tasmanian lowana 'woman'. HO, I thought, a Tasmanian enterprise perhaps. 'Woman' I thought, good name for spa consumers. 'Lowana' - fits English speakers' sense of euphony. So I went further to Spa care from the Australian Dreamtime. My machine was instantly taken over by a buzzing drone-pipe, but I fought on (with the help of the volume control), wading through the piccies of cute painted-up people, in search of WORDS..

The Li'Tya company is not Tasmanian - it's based out of Melbourne, Victoria, and doesn't seem to be an Indigenous owned company. But it claims to source its materials from Indigenous Australian Foods Ltd (IAF), which kinda is. The Li'Tya website indicates that it has some worthy aims. And it claims to have set up a foundation, the Bunjil Foundation, to give back to the Aboriginal community:

"From profits we donate to the Bunjil Foundation (formerly known as the Baiame Foundation) assisting the Indigenous Peoples of Australia."
I couldn't find anything about either foundation, apart from what they say on their websites, and on websites more or less advertising their products. But that doesn't mean much - maybe they do good by stealth.

Anyway, I was on the hunt for local words.. The switch of Foundation name from NSW local culture hero Baiame to Melbourne l.c.h. Bunjil was a start. But otherwise they don't explicitly localise anything - it's all Aboriginal philosophy, Aboriginal culture, Aboriginal wisdom (yes and "the earth is our mother and we are in turn her custodians." So much for Central Australian relations to country as one's father, aunt, grandparent). And of course that single undifferentiated general Aboriginal language - check Bulanjdjan's posting for a lively discussion of related problems.

Here are some of the firms's product names and the glosses they give them:

miji kodo   ‘little melody’
marta kodo   ‘big melody’
maccalla   'full moon'
koora   ‘abundance/ plenty’
pekiri   ‘dream’

Any ideas as to which language(s) they come from? koora would be pretty rude in much of Central Australia.

Worse than the drone was yet to come. Clicking on Tenets got me to:

"Aboriginal Australians have a unique view or way of seeing the world. There are four components to it, often referred to as the four basic tenets which are akin to a good foundation on how to conduct one's life."

Adtomon "Truth is the path"
Dtwongdtyen "A varied perspective is the key to perception"
Linj'dta "Now is the moment of your being"
Aildt "Everything is one"

The words are given with pronunciation guides, but no indication of language. Do they come from any traditional Indigenous language? The 'dt' has that Häagen-Dazs make-my-spelling-helpfully-exotic touch... but maybe some old source used it?

Why am I whinging about this? Because names have marketing value. People buy Häagen-Dazs icecream in part because its name sounds healthily, frostily Scandiwegian. I expect that Li'Tya makes money in part because the names lead people to dream that they are buying ancient wisdom pulverised in a body lotion. Names can give false credibility. And, using words from Aboriginal languages without attributing them to the language of origin undermines the rights that many speakers claim over words from their languages. Some Aboriginal groups are trying to license the use of words from their languages for product names - as the Kaurna do.

Li'Tya's site says: "Therefore it is important to respect that someone else's truth is as valid as your own." I'm having difficulty... but hey, convince me!



This thread's gone off topic. Started about Kiradjee, but most of what I'm finding locally is about this Li'Tya company. It's worth noting that some of the 'pretty words' they're using to market now in 2011 have changed and they no longer have a foundation- they've just linked their 'good works' to the name YothuYindi, probably because the 'brand' Yothu Yindi generates such good will in the general community.

There is an elder from the Ya-idt’midtung whose name eventually comes up when googling all of this. In responding to the above article, his wife states he's dying and that he has no business interest in Li'Tya. If I was to draw any inferences, it would be that some of his writings were Li'tya's 'inspiration' to speak of the 'Yaithmathang'

In googling this stuff, I also found a link to this healing practise:
http://www.murrinbunjil.com/

..all very vague non specifically 'aboriginal, but with a completely bizarre photo gallery section consisting of a photos of cheerleaders in tartan. Which leads to to wonder if their site's been hacked or something.


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