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Title: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 23, 2022, 06:01:55 pm
This is an attempt to reconstruct the Margaret Noodin thread.

Posted by WINative

There have been several inquiries into her on whether she has any Ojibwe heritage. She has used several surnames so this has made her genealogy search difficult. She is from Michigan or Minnesota? She has been slowly taking control of American Indian education programs at UWM and in the Greater Milwaukee area. She has been the source of some controversy at UWM after video of big drum being misused was posted on Facebook.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Noodin
https://uwm.edu/english/our-people/noodin-margaret/


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Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 23, 2022, 06:04:15 pm
Posted by Sparks

 Re: Margaret Noodin — Ojibwe Professor [AKA Margaret Noori]
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2021, 08:17:23 pm »
Quote from: WINative on April 22, 2021, 07:34:36 pm

    She has used several surnames so this has made her genealogy search difficult.


I found her original surname (I hope) together with a different spelling of her first name, too:

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Noodin

    Margaret A. Noodin (born Margeret Noori, 1965) is an American poet and Anishinaabemowin language teacher. She is a Professor of English and American Indian Studies at the University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee.


I wonder if Margeret is a misspelling for Margaret? I find several publications both by Margaret Noodin and Margaret Noori, but none by Margeret Noori. Several websites repeat the wording I quoted from Wikipedia, it might be a misspelling, with one single source being quoted again and again. (Then again, she might have changed from Margeret to Margaret long before she changed her last name.)

Margaret Noori 156 hits: https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=Margaret+Noori&qt=results_page

Margaret Noodin 285 hits: https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=Margaret+Noodin&qt=results_page
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 23, 2022, 06:06:10 pm
Posted by WINative

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2021, 01:47:36 am »
I was informed recently that Noori is her married name. Asmat Noori is the name of her ex-husband and father of her children.
He is of Indonesian descent and interestingly, also lists himself as an Anishinaabe language speaker on his Facebook page.
So she is clearly trying to hide her birth name and maybe has other secrets tied to that with her heritage.


https://www.linkedin.com/in/asmatnoori

https://www.facebook.com/oznoori
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 23, 2022, 06:08:31 pm
Posted by cellophane

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2021, 06:07:42 am »
She was married previously, and had the last name Bodellan. Before that her last name was Aerol.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 23, 2022, 06:09:59 pm
Posted by cellophane

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2021, 06:13:01 am »
https://www.indiancountrynews.com/index.php/columnists/jim-northrup/3704-fond-du-lac-follies-the-northrup-road-players
Indian Country, 6/10/2008, "Fond du Lac Follies: The Northrup Road Players": "On the day of the performance the Northrup Road Players rehearsed twice and finished with the props. Meg Aerol, usually known as Dr. Margaret Noori, came to the Symposium from Ann Arbor, Michigan. We had a good visit and she drew some tipi poles for us. We needed the drawing for one of the signs used in the play."
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 23, 2022, 06:11:15 pm
Posted by cellophane

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2021, 06:57:19 am »
Native Sun Newsletter, 1992: "The instructor [for an Ojibwe class] is Meg Aerol, an Ojibwe from Minnesota who is fluent in U.S. and Canadian dialects".
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 23, 2022, 06:12:59 pm
Posted by Educatedindian

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2021, 02:47:39 pm »
Quote from: WINative on April 24, 2021, 01:47:36 am

    I was informed recently that Noori is her married name. Asmat Noori is the name of her ex-husband and father of her children.
    He is of Indonesian descent and interestingly, also lists himself as an Anishinaabe language speaker on his Facebook page.
    So she is clearly trying to hide her birth name and maybe has other secrets tied to that with her heritage.

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/asmatnoori

    https://www.facebook.com/oznoori


My wife is Indonesian. She says his name is Dayak from Kalimantan (Borneo). These are the tribal peoples of the island. But his appearance to her looks like an Arab Malay man.
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https://nvcc.academia.edu/alcarroll
www.smashwords.com/profile/view/AlCarroll
www.lulu.com/spotlight/AlCaroll
www.amazon.com/Al-Carroll/e/B00IZ4FY1S
https://www.linkedin.com/in/al-carroll-05284613/
www.youtube.com/watch?v=roZL8KJKNfA
https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2016/01/20/18782071.php
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 23, 2022, 06:15:02 pm
Posted by verity

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2021, 03:02:46 pm »
Detroit Free Press, 16 Nov 2008, Page 139. Accessed through newspapers.com :

Quote

   
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Her Roots: Meg grew up in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. She has ancestors who were part Minnesota Chippewa and part Métis - descendants of French explorers ad native Indians. Like many of her students, she learned Ojibwe as a second language. She didn't start taking lessons until she was 15.


Article goes on to say that she works with Howard Kimewon who grew up speaking Ojibwe on Canada's Manitoulin Island in Lake Huron. Also her husband at the time is identified as "Asmat, who is of Afghani descent".  Her name in article is Margaret (Meg) Noori, 43 years old at the time.


Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 23, 2022, 06:16:35 pm
Posted by verity

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2021, 04:07:34 pm »
She was a student of Irving "Hap" McCue.

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Gleaned from Intellius people search:

Margaret A. Aerol
Margaret Ann Noori
Margaret Bodellan
M William
Margaret Odonnell

born June 1965
social security number issued in Minnesota

Locations Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota

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I also see another married surname of Christensen.

She herself has also used the surname Noodin. She had an academic email with that name and has been identified that way in news video. She is listed as Noodin here https://ojibwe.net/about-us/ Maybe she uses this as an alternate author surname?
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 23, 2022, 06:18:19 pm
Posted by WINative

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2021, 04:39:43 pm »
According to My Life and a post her maiden name is likely O'Donnell. This video she posted in 2006 is only one she lists her heritage as Metis from Montreal and enrolled in Grand Traverse Minnesota Chippewa. She listed her mothers name as Alice O'Donnell on her site Ojibwe.net. " Written and read by Margaret Noodin. The following words were written during the COVID 19 pandemic of 2020 by Margaret Noodin. The text began as a Mother’s Day poem for Alice O’Donnell."


https://aadl.org/node/370469

https://ojibwe.net/projects/prayers-teachings/bring-us-peace-prayer/
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 23, 2022, 06:19:35 pm
Posted by verity

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2021, 04:51:12 pm »
She definitely uses the surname Noodin also for herself. In a recent Wisconsin news article she identifies as Irish and Anishinaabe.

She used the name Meg Aerol in 1990 for a poetry reading. She was Margaret A Aerol in 1991 for a marriage. The surname Aerol looks to be unusual in the United States, I wonder if her birth surname is different.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 23, 2022, 06:21:25 pm
Posted by verity

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2021, 05:30:56 pm »
"Professor Noori is now known as Margaret Noodin". From article Jim Northrup, Vietnam Veteran Who Wrote About Reservation Life, Dies at 73, NY Times, Aug 3, 2016.

One of her identifications: "Margaret Noodin / Giiwedinoodin (Anishinaabe heritage, waabzheshiinh doodem)".

I'll see if I can find more on Alice O'Donnell.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 23, 2022, 06:23:49 pm
Posted by verity

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2021, 06:20:08 pm »
"Margaret Noodin, descendant of the Grand Portage Band of Lake Superior Indians" https://www.twincities.com/2018/07/15/a-big-week-for-books-new-poets-of-native-nations-among-5-works-introduced/
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 23, 2022, 06:25:21 pm
Posted by WINative

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2021, 08:38:20 pm »
I would like to see that confirmed if she is a descendant, and I wonder how far back a descendant?
I think it does matter, when you want to be The Ojibwe expert of a whole city or state.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 24, 2022, 12:12:19 am
Posted by verity

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2021, 01:13:30 am »
A past site: https://web.archive.org/web/20100430055717/http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mnoori/mnoori/Home.html

Some more on identification:

"Noori is a member of the Minnesota Chippewa tribe" (Detroit Free Press, 30 Sep 2009, page 3)

M. Noori "I am of mixed American ancestry including - Irish, Scots, German, Anishinaabe (MN Chippewa) and Metis" https://www.zingermansroadhouse.com/2009/09/interview-with-u-of-m-professor-margaret-noori/

I've hit a brick wall so far in trying to determine ancestors. Found a possible match for her parents but no definitive proof.  And Noori could claim adoption or other circumstances in her lineage.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 24, 2022, 04:12:11 pm
Posted by verity

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2021, 12:23:50 am »
I wonder if she still offers "moon ceremonies".

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    If you are interested in attending a local moon ceremony please e-mail for more information.



https://web.archive.org/web/20100529125953/http://www.umich.edu/~ojibwe/community/ This is from a past site, email is her own.

Quote

    Margaret Noori, Professor of English and American Indian Studies at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee has explained that there are no shortcuts to language learning online, but the “Community” page  of  Noongwa  (now  located  at ojibwe.net)  has  made  the connection  between  lessons  and  “tradition”  (Noori,  2011, p.13).  Designed  to  allow  fluent  speakers  and  learners  space  to express  opinions,  it  also  contains  calendars  and  prayers  that work  to weave  spirituality  into  technology,  which  Noori  likens to prayers “through a wired window.”


https://www.bcteal.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/TEAL-News-Fall-2020.pdf#page=7

Who are her parents, grand and great grands?
What is her actual heritage? Who are her people?
How can we trust her language work?
Who does peer review of her work now?
Her songs, are they truly her own or someone else's?
Does she claim she offers spiritual teachings?
Is she gate-keeping, controlling, and crowding out other voices?

Is her mother Alice Ann (Orr) O'Donnell? If so, we can work up some genealogy. If not, we can keep checking though I've hit a wall myself. But ideally Margaret Noodin would just answer questions herself.

Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 24, 2022, 04:13:52 pm
Posted by Diana

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2021, 02:47:18 am »
I came to the same conclusion with Verity. Alice Ann Orr is Alice O'Donnell and her husband is Terrence O'Donnell. And if this is correct all her gggrand parents on her mother's side are immigrants. Poland, Germany,  England and Luxembourg.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 24, 2022, 04:15:45 pm
Posted by cellophane

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2021, 02:59:37 am »
Margaret O'Donnell appears in the Chaska HS yearbook (the picture is clearly her), but ancestry finds no one born in the county with the surname O'Donnell. Adopted?
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 24, 2022, 04:17:43 pm
Posted by Diana

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2021, 06:09:37 am »
Alice and Terrence O'Donnell are from Chaska. I checked Margeret out on Been Verified and one of the places she had lived was Chaska MN. I'm going to say these are her parents and they're ggrand parents on both sides of the family are all immigrants. She definitely is not Indian. I'll post what I've found tomorrow.



Quote from: cellophane on April 26, 2021, 02:59:37 am

   
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Margaret O'Donnell appears in the Chaska HS yearbook (the picture is clearly her), but ancestry finds no one born in the county with the surname O'Donnell. Adopted?
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 24, 2022, 04:20:01 pm
Posted by verity

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2021, 03:44:31 pm »
Quote from: Diana on April 26, 2021, 02:47:18 am

   
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I came to the same conclusion with Verity. Alice Ann Orr is Alice O'Donnell and her husband is Terrence O'Donnell. And if this is correct all her gggrand parents on her mother's side are immigrants. Poland, Germany,  England and Luxembourg.


This is my working theory too.

Mother's side - Orr, Keppers, Palmer, Bernard surnames. Relatively recent Ireland, England, Germany.

Father's side Ireland, Germany. Plus Quebec, some from England and some from France.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 25, 2022, 04:31:21 am
Posted by verity

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2021, 03:50:54 pm »

Quote from: cellophane on April 26, 2021, 02:59:37 am
Quote
Margaret O'Donnell appears in the Chaska HS yearbook (the picture is clearly her), but ancestry finds no one born in the county with the surname O'Donnell. Adopted?

I thought that yearbook picture was a very good match too.

Ancestry doesn't have everything, so that is one possibility as to why no birth record found in that county. Or she was born elsewhere. Family Search does have a record of who is probably her sister.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 25, 2022, 04:42:29 am
Posted by WINative

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2021, 05:15:22 pm »

So it looks like she was likely married and divorced three times since 1990, thus the surnames: Bodellan, Aerol, and Noori.

Since her maiden name is O-Donnell, she has already lied on her Wikipedia page, which someone pointed out to me was part of a mass amount done by the same person for other non-Indian academics.
She also claims to have been raised in the Twin Cities and with AIM, and learned Ojibwe at 15, which is a lie if she was raised and went to high school in Chaska, MN.
I think they final thing to expose is, is she really a descendant of the Grand Traverse Minnesota Chippewa. If not definitely is a fraud.

Interesting she never shows pictures of her birth family on her Facebook page just various Ojibwe elders since 2011.

https://www.facebook.com/margaret.noori (https://www.facebook.com/margaret.noori)
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 25, 2022, 04:47:11 am
Posted by verity

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2021, 05:35:48 pm »

Possible surnames:

O'Donnell birth surname

Benda, Aerol, Christensen, Bodellan, Noori (changed to Noodin) married surnames.

I wonder what is going on here:

Quote
because you can be a Native American, even though both your parents came from, say, Afghanistan, and you were born in Ann Arbor, you're a Native American, so that gets sort of confusing in a sense

https://aadl.org/node/370469 (https://aadl.org/node/370469)
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 25, 2022, 05:11:58 pm
Posted by WINative

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2021, 06:07:21 pm »

Quote from: verity on April 26, 2021, 05:35:48 pm
Quote
Possible surnames:

Quote
because you can be a Native American, even though both your parents came from, say, Afghanistan, and you were born in Ann Arbor, you're a Native American, so that gets sort of confusing in a sense

https://aadl.org/node/370469

"So when I grew up, the American Indian Movement was a really big deal, and this was, for us, in the 70's, this was -- I can't tell you how many times I would hear my -- especially my dad, would always say, "I didn't get to learn this," and drag us down to the Indian Center, but sadly for many years, all I ever learned was, you know, bezhig, niizh, niswi, which is one, two, three, and then maybe, up to ten, or maybe I could say, [INDIAN LANGUAGE] my name is Margaret. You know, like, we just learned these basic things, over and over, because our language, due to the boarding schools had actually atrophied. I mean it had been generations since anybody had been talking it around the kitchen table, talking it in the city, been proud to speak it, so if you listened to this song in the 70's, they sang it -- now I don't know some people here would know it, and I always was taught, like oh boy, if you hear this song you have to stand up and take off your hat, you know, so you guys are excused unless you really, you know, you grew up during the A.I.M. Movement, and you want to, but we would always sing it with just vocables, so it would be like, you know, yaawe, yaa we, and it was just -- it was no words, no meaning at all but still, it was really, really powerful. It was the kind of thing where if you heard that song, uh oh uh oh, this is going to be like big drama, something's going to happen, so everybody had to, like, stand there, and you would learn to sing it really early. It was just something, you know, it was kind of, like, a national anthem. You could hear it when they broadcast from Alcatraz, you know in the late 60's; you would hear it at the Indian Centers in Detroit, Minneapolis, you know, Milwaukee, all over; you would probably have heard it when Leonard Peltier was arrested. It was this anthem that was very well known. And we -- when we started having the language tables here, in Michigan, had said well wouldn't it be nice if we had words to this, you know, if we passed this on to the next generation, with one more level of depth and meaning. So we put words to it. I actually had brought tobacco, because you don't want to just go messing with an A.I.M. song, so I brought tobacco to Clyde and Vernon Bellecourt, and it was probably a long time ago. I'm much older than you know, and had asked, is this OK that we do this. For us, this would give it a little more meaning, and it would bring in another generation, and they had said, "yes, that's fine," so it's with the permission of those people who had really made it popular generations -- a generation ago, really -- that we added this."

Did Margaret Noodin really get permission from the leadership of AIM to re-write the AIM Song?

https://ojibwe.net/songs/womens-traditional/aim-song/ (https://ojibwe.net/songs/womens-traditional/aim-song/)
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 25, 2022, 05:23:15 pm
Posted by Diana

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2021, 06:27:16 pm »

Father Terrence O'Donnell:

Terrence George O'Donnell
in the Minnesota, U.S., Birth Index, 1935-2000

Name:   Terrence George O'Donnell
Birth Date:   7 Oct 1940
Birth Place:   Stearns, Minnesota, USA
Birth Registration Date:   1940
Father:   Joseph O'Donnell
Mother:   Margaret O'Donnell


Terrence George O'Donnell
in the Web: Minnesota, U.S., Marriages from the Minnesota Official Marriage System, 1850-2019

Web: Minnesota, U.S., Marriages from the Minnesota Official Marriage System, 1850-2019Visit website
 
Name:   Terrence George O'Donnell
Marriage Date:   8 Mar 1963
Marriage Place:   Sherburne, Minnesota, USA
Spouse:   
Alice Ann Orr

Certificate Number:   MN104
URL:   https://moms.mn.gov/
 This record is not from Ancestry and will open in a new window. Learn more


Father's death on find a grave. Read obituary. There's a pall bearer by the name of Bodellan, this was Margeret Noodin's ex husband. Also it includes a Terrence O'Donnell from Chaska, so we know we have the right person.

Joseph V O'Donnell Sr
in the U.S., Find a Grave Index, 1600s-Current


Visit websiteU.S., Find a Grave Index, 1600s-Current

Name:   Joseph V O'Donnell Sr
Birth Date:   24 Feb 1898
Birth Place:   Hillman, Morrison County, Minnesota, United States of America
Death Date:   6 Feb 1990
Death Place:   Sartell, Benton County, Minnesota, United States of America
Cemetery:   Assumption Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place:   Saint Cloud, Stearns County, Minnesota, United States of America
Has Bio?:   N
Father:   
John F O'Donnell
Mother:   
Amelia O'Donnell
Spouse:   
Margaret C O'Donnell
Children:   
Baby Boy O'Donnell
URL:   
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/173025771/joseph-v-odonnell

Joseph V O'Donnell
in the 1900 United States Federal Census


View1900 United States Federal Census
 
Name:   Joseph V O'Donnell
Age:   2
Birth Date:   Feb 1898
Birthplace:   Minnesota, USA
Home in 1900:   Hillman, Kanabec, Minnesota
Sheet Number:   1
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation:   6
Family Number:   6
Race:   White
Gender:   Male
Relation to Head of House:   Son
Marital Status:   Single
Father's Name:   John O'Donnell
Father's Birthplace:   New York, USA
Mother's Name:   Amalia O'Donnell
Mother's Birthplace:   Wisconsin, USA

Farm or House:   H
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members   Age   Relationship
John O'Donnell
39   Head
Amalia O'Donnell
35   Wife
Annie L O'Donnell
3   Daughter
Joseph V O'Donnell   2   Son
Mary Delany
16   Daughter

Grandfather

John O'Donnell
in the 1900 United States Federal Census


View1900 United States Federal Census
 
Name:   John O'Donnell
Age:   39
Birth Date:   Feb 1861
Birthplace:   New York, USA
Home in 1900:   Hillman, Kanabec, Minnesota
Sheet Number:   1
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation:   6
Family Number:   6
Race:   White
Gender:   Male
Relation to Head of House:   Head
Marital Status:   Married
Spouse's Name:   Amalia O'Donnell
Marriage Year:   1894
Years Married:   6
Father's Birthplace:   Ireland
Mother's Birthplace:   Ireland

Occupation:   Farmer
Months Not Employed:   0
Can Read:   Yes
Can Write:   Yes
Can Speak English:   Yes
House Owned or Rented:   Own
Home Free or Mortgaged:   F
Farm or House:   F
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members   Age   Relationship
John O'Donnell   39   Head
Amalia O'Donnell
35   Wife
Annie L O'Donnell
3   Daughter
Joseph V O'Donnell
2   Son
Mary Delany
16   Daughter

Grandmother

Amalia O'Donnell
in the 1900 United States Federal Census


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Name:   Amalia O'Donnell
Age:   35
Birth Date:   Sep 1864
Birthplace:   Wisconsin, USA
Home in 1900:   Hillman, Kanabec, Minnesota
Sheet Number:   1
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation:   6
Family Number:   6
Race:   White
Gender:   Female
Relation to Head of House:   Wife
Marital Status:   Married
Spouse's Name:   John O'Donnell
Marriage Year:   1894
Years Married:   6
Father's Birthplace:   Germany
Mother's Birthplace:   Germany

Mother: number of living children:   3
Mother: How many children:   3
Can Read:   Yes
Can Write:   Yes
Can Speak English:   Yes
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members   Age   Relationship
John O'Donnell
39   Head
Amalia O'Donnell   35   Wife
Annie L O'Donnell
3   Daughter
Joseph V O'Donnell
2   Son
Mary Delany
16   Daughter
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 25, 2022, 05:36:26 pm
Posted by verity

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2021, 06:50:16 pm »

Her teacher Irving “Hap” McCue passed away in 2008  https://www.michigandaily.com/uncategorized/ojibwe-teacher-mccue-inspired-students-faculty/
 (https://www.michigandaily.com/uncategorized/ojibwe-teacher-mccue-inspired-students-faculty/)
From earlier in thread here: "Native Sun Newsletter, 1992: "The instructor [for an Ojibwe class] is Meg Aerol, an Ojibwe from Minnesota who is fluent in U.S. and Canadian dialects""

From https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/university-of-michigan-program-seeks-to-preserve-native-language (https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/university-of-michigan-program-seeks-to-preserve-native-language) :

 "Noori, a student of McCue's 15 years ago" (which would be about 1992)

"Before she joined the program in 2006, she said it had only about 30 students and one instructor, Irving ''Hap'' McCue, who helped to create the program and saw it add two instructors before his death in early March."

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She saw it working recently in one of her classes, when students wanted to know the Ojibwe word for black people. Noori told them it was mkade-aase, which translates to ''black skin.''

Noting that it was as offensive as referring to American Indians as ''redskins,'' the students suggested the word for black people could incorporate the word for Americans, chimookiman. But they balked when they learned that translates to ''the ones with long knives,'' reflecting past violence by whites against American Indians.

They eventually came up with mkade-bmizidjig, or ''the ones who live in a black way.''

''[The students] said, 'It's not the color of our skin, it's a way of life,''' said Noori, a Minnesota native of American Indian heritage. ''Being a modern use of our language, words can be introduced. ... That's what moves our language forward.'

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Margaret Noodin seems to now be holding herself out as "the expert".  I personally would not want her as a language teacher. I don't trust her stories about herself, she doesn't seem to be grounded in actual community other than academic and what she has created new, and I would not trust how she is evolving the language.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 25, 2022, 05:43:35 pm
Posted by verity

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2021, 07:02:55 pm »

Two other of her teachers are Jim Northrup and Howard Kinewon.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 25, 2022, 05:48:00 pm
Posted by Sparks

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2021, 07:17:28 pm »

Quote from: verity on April 26, 2021, 07:02:55 pm
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Two other of her teachers are Jim Northrup and Howard Kinewon.

My bolding. Surname misspelled. The name is Howard Kimewon.

Often mentioned with Margaret Noori / Noodin, e.g. in this article: https://turtletalk.blog/tag/howard-kimewon/ (https://turtletalk.blog/tag/howard-kimewon/)
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 25, 2022, 05:52:34 pm
Posted by verity

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2021, 07:55:07 pm »

 After they walk on ...
Capriccioso, Rob. Indian Country Today; Oneida, N.Y. [Oneida, N.Y]10 Sep 2008: S8-S10.

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When Irving "Hap" McCue, an Ojibwe language instructor at the University of Michigan since the 1970s, passed away in March, several students and faculty members were left to ponder the fate of the institution's Native American studies department.

"For so many years it had just been Hap, and that was it," said Philip Deloria, a professor in the department. "If we had lost Hap in 1979, that might have been the end of it altogether."

McCue, who grew up on the Curve Lake First Nation Reserve in Ontario, was known not only for his pithy ways of teaching language in the classroom, but also for his stories about his life growing up uniquely Indian. He often shared tales of being placed in boarding school, of struggling with alcoholism even in his later years, and of being disrespected by some non-Indian scholars. He also counseled many a Native student at the university to help them understand where they fit in and how they could be resilient.

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Margaret Noori, who had studied Ojibwe with McCue as a college student, was one key to the university's path forward. She joined Native American studies at Michigan two years ago to assist McCue in his teaching, develop her own classes, and reinvigorate and intensify the long-standing program. Today, she teaches several rigorous language courses to dozens of students.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 25, 2022, 05:55:04 pm
Posted by WINative

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2021, 08:09:13 pm »

I wouldn't want to take an Oibwe language class taught by an Irish woman. But I guess some may not mind?
I think she may have had some legitimate teachers and learned Ojibwe in college, and which I have seen white students pick it up quickly.
But she should not portray herself as Native person with any Native heritage, if none exists.
She has been acting as a Gatekeeper at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, and consolidating her power there and consulting on every article on Native people in Milwaukee.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 26, 2022, 12:21:25 am
Posted by WINative

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2021, 05:25:30 pm »
With such thorough research done into all lines of her family tree is there any possibility left that she has enrolled family members at Grand Traverse Minnesota tribe or any band?
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 26, 2022, 12:23:10 am
Posted by LittleSister

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #46 on: April 28, 2021, 07:03:05 pm »

There are so many Margaret O'Donnells pretending their heritage in higher education. Once upon a time they got away with it but thankfully with new ways to research their lines we can expose them. Another one I've always been suspicious of is Allison Hedge Coke. Looking through the information presented here and not finding any instance of Margaret saying she is adopted I can't imagine she is actually connected to any bands.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 26, 2022, 12:26:12 am
Posted by verity

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2021, 09:38:22 pm »

Quote from: WINative on April 28, 2021, 05:25:30 pm
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With such thorough research done into all lines of her family tree is there any possibility left that she has enrolled family members at Grand Traverse Minnesota tribe or any band?

The family we're researching, all the work Diana has laid out, there isn't any possibility that Margaret has enrolled family members. Except maybe with special circumstances that we don't know about, but surely Margaret would be public about adoption etc.

Margaret is a story-teller, she would make use of family history such as adoption if it fit her own story of self.

Margaret doesn't talk about her parents and grandparents. She doesn't share photos of ancestors. She doesn't share any sense of community and place - it's as if she came into being as a young adult poet and then a college student.

I believe that we are also seeing signs of Margaret taking on other people's stories. I think she has shape shifted along the way.

She often describes herself as "of Anishinaabe descent". As if that is the end of the public story but I think it should be the beginning. Who are her people? What community is she grounded in now?
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 26, 2022, 12:29:17 am
Posted by advancedsmite

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #48 on: June 05, 2021, 05:20:47 pm »

After researching Margaret Noodin, it is impossible to believe that she has not been 100% intentional in her deception. I’ve created a timeline with name change/court records alongside how she was identifying herself in articles and published work. The word that kept coming to mind was “egregious”. I completed her genealogy and had similar findings to other posters. Her genealogy was easy to complete (after unraveling the numerous name changes) due to great records and a clear immigration event for each line of her family. Minnesota is unusual in that they publish a birth record index through the early 2000’s. Most states do not make a given year’s birth record index publicly available for 100 years. While her sister’s birth was in the index, I suspect Margaret was born out of state. Based on the information Margaret has given in interviews, it would be difficult for her to claim adoption or an unknown paternity event. As someone enrolled in a MN tribe and a University of Wisconsin system graduate, Margaret Noodin using a manufactured identity and stolen voice to contribute to UW diversity efforts is both infuriating and laughable.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 26, 2022, 12:31:43 am
Posted by Cetan

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2021, 12:54:43 am »

I dont know her history but I did know her when she taught at University of Michigan. Hap McCue and Howard Kimewon, both Ojibway language instructors thought highly enough of Meg to allow her to teach the language
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 26, 2022, 12:33:53 am
Posted by Diana

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2021, 06:48:29 am »

Margaret Noodin has taken this Ojibwe name from an Ojibwe chief of the same name.  It also means wind or windy.
I believe she legally had her name changed. I've been looking but just can't find the state she had it changed in. She is certainly a slippery one.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 26, 2022, 12:41:15 am
Posted by Sparks

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #51 on: June 08, 2021, 02:53:27 pm »

Quote from: Diana on June 08, 2021, 06:48:29 am
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Margaret Noodin has taken this Ojibwe name from an Ojibwe chief of the same name.  It also means wind or windy.

About Chief Noodin here: https://chequamegonhistory.wordpress.com/tag/noodin-of-saint-croix/ (https://chequamegonhistory.wordpress.com/tag/noodin-of-saint-croix/)

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“No-tin” copied from 1824 Charles Bird King original by Henry Inman in 1832-33. Noodin (Wind) was a prominent Chippewa chief from the St. Croix country. ~ Commons.Wikimedia.org

There are images at these URLs:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20880171 (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20880171)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:No-tin_Wellcome_L0021491.jpg (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:No-tin_Wellcome_L0021491.jpg)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:No-tin,_a_Chippewa_chief.jpg (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:No-tin,_a_Chippewa_chief.jpg)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WLA_lacma_1832_Wind_No-Tin.jpg (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WLA_lacma_1832_Wind_No-Tin.jpg)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WLA_lacma_1832_Wind_No-Tin_M2008_58_2.jpg
 (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WLA_lacma_1832_Wind_No-Tin_M2008_58_2.jpg)
Dictionary entries, etc.:
https://ojibwe.lib.umn.edu/main-entry/noodin-vii
https://ojibwe.lib.umn.edu/main-entry/zhaawani-noodin-vii
https://www.translateojibwe.com/en/dictionary-ojibwe-english/Noodin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tQxwXfCCUA
[Ojibwe Word of the Day Gichi-noodin. ?? ???? 'It is very windy.']
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 26, 2022, 12:45:08 am
Posted by verity

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2021, 05:21:43 pm »

Quote from: Diana on June 08, 2021, 06:48:29 am
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Margaret Noodin has taken this Ojibwe name from an Ojibwe chief of the same name.  It also means wind or windy.
I believe she legally had her name changed. I've been looking but just can't find the state she had it changed in. She is certainly a slippery one.

One possibility is that she legally changed her name in divorce proceedings. I don't know how universally available this is. In WA state a woman can change her name in divorce papers, new chosen surname doesn't have to be birth name. The only record of the name change then is only found in those divorce documents.

I did this myself. Judge approved after making sure that I was not name changing for criminal purposes. This is a totally different process than the usual name change request through courts. So there are not the usual name change records generated.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 26, 2022, 12:53:51 am
Posted by Sparks

Re: Margaret Noodin — Ojibwe Professor [AKA Margaret Noori]
« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2021, 06:48:58 pm »

Quote from: Sparks on April 23, 2021, 08:17:23 pm
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I found her original surname (I hope) together with a different spelling of her first name, too:

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Noodin
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Margaret A. Noodin (born Margeret Noori, 1965) is an American poet and Anishinaabemowin language teacher. She is a Professor of English and American Indian Studies at the University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee.

I wonder if Margeret is a misspelling for Margaret? I find several publications both by Margaret Noodin and Margaret Noori, but none by Margeret Noori. Several websites repeat the wording I quoted from Wikipedia, it might be a misspelling, with one single source being quoted again and again. (Then again, she might have changed from Margeret to Margaret long before she changed her last name.)
Seems I didn't find her original surname, after all. The phrase "(born Margeret Noori", 1965)" was removed 3 days later:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Margaret_Noodin&action=history (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Margaret_Noodin&action=history)
"26 April 2021? Ssenier talk contribs?  …  (removed inaccurate and unsourced birth name)".

The person who removed the phrase: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ssenier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ssenier)

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Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 26, 2022, 12:55:43 am
Posted by Cetan

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2021, 06:57:11 pm »

Noori was her last name when she lived here in Ann Arbor, that is her now ex-husband's last name
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 26, 2022, 01:12:15 am
Posted by Diana*

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #55 on: June 09, 2021, 12:07:02 am »

Legal name change laws vary from state to state. She can also have her birth certificate legally changed to Noodin. Piff was the expert on name changes, I wish she was still here, we sure could use her help.

*Emoji removed by advancedsmite during reconstruction of thread due to html issue. See attached PNG file for reference.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 26, 2022, 01:14:19 am
Posted by verity

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #56 on: June 09, 2021, 02:22:59 am »

*waves* I'm here Diana, just with this new different name. I occasionally go through online burn out and disappear for awhile.

We have quite a bit here already. This whole thread is a great resource for anyone wondering about her claims. Maybe more leads will eventually churn up too.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 26, 2022, 01:16:22 am
Posted by verity

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #57 on: June 09, 2021, 02:26:53 am »

Quote from: advancedsmite on June 05, 2021, 05:20:47 pm
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After researching Margaret Noodin, it is impossible to believe that she has not been 100% intentional in her deception. I’ve created a timeline with name change/court records alongside how she was identifying herself in articles and published work.

Can you share your timeline with us? I know these can be an immense amount of work to compile.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 26, 2022, 01:19:06 am
Posted by Diana

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #58 on: June 09, 2021, 04:46:34 am »

"Waves back" well it's good to know you didn't leave us. Happy to have you back.

Quote from: verity on June 09, 2021, 02:22:59 am
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*waves* I'm here Diana, just with this new different name. I occasionally go through online burn out and disappear for awhile.

We have quite a bit here already. This whole thread is a great resource for anyone wondering about her claims. Maybe more leads will eventually churn up too.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 26, 2022, 01:21:50 am
Posted by advancedsmite

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #59 on: June 09, 2021, 06:01:57 am »

Thanks for asking, Verity. I can share a high level timeline of early name changes which, in my opinion, is the key to everything. I'm still compiling and organizing a detailed timeline with everything. Some of the information below was shared earlier in the thread but the biggest breakthrough in my research was figuring out the Benda/Bodellan name situation.

1965 - Birth
Name: Margaret* Ann O'Donnell
Parents: Terrence & Ann (Orr) O'Donnell
*Used Peggy/Peg in childhood, used Meg in later years

12/30/1988 - Marriage
Spouse: James Bradley Benda
Name Used: Margaret Ann O'Donnell
Location: Hennepin County, Minnesota

1/4/1989 - Name Change (screen shot attached)
Petitioner(s): Margaret Ann O'Donnell & James Bradley Benda
Requested Name(s): Margaret Ann Bodellan & James Bradley Bodellan
Location: Hennepin County, Minnesota

10/2/1990 - Divorce from James Bradley Bodellan (aka James Bradley Benda)
Name Used: Margaret Ann Bodellan*
Location: Hennepin County, Minnesota
*Began using the name "Margaret Ann Aerol" after divorce. As Verity mentioned, it is possible that the name change was requested during divorce proceedings. It would be ideal to have official documentation of the name change but I have found multiple records that together make it clear that Margaret Ann Bodellan is Margaret Ann Aerol.

6/5/1991 - Marriage
Spouse: James Thomas Christensen
Name Used: Margaret Ann Aerol
Location: Anoka County, Minnnesota

3/22/1993 - Divorce from James Thomas Christensen
Name Used: Margaret Ann Aerol
Location: Ramsey County, Minnesota

Later Name Changes - Usage of her 2 most recent names (Noori and Noodin) is well documented through her faculty positions at the University of Michigan and UW-Milwaukee. It would be great to find official documentation of the Noodin name change but it may not be available. Either way, Noodin wasn't her maiden name or even a family name. All of this information was found in publicly available records. I have multiple sources that support each piece of information.

I genuinely kept hoping to find something that would substantiate her various claims of Ojibwe ancestry. I still hope to find something that will change how things look right now. There are no winners in this situation or situations like it.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 27, 2022, 01:25:11 pm
Posted by verity

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #60 on: June 09, 2021, 03:03:12 pm »
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I genuinely kept hoping to find something that would substantiate her various claims of Ojibwe ancestry. I still hope to find something that will change how things look right now. There are no winners in this situation or situations like it.

This pretty much describes my attitude in this case too. At least from what I see online, her language work looks to be respected, I'd rather that she not be a fraud.


Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 27, 2022, 01:32:03 pm
Posted by advancedsmite

 Re: Margaret Noodin — Ojibwe Professor [AKA Margaret Noori]
« Reply #61 on: June 09, 2021, 03:08:04 pm »
It appears that Margaret and “Ssenier” have both served as officers of the Association for the Study of American Indian Literatures (ASAIL).

ASAIL Officer List:
https://sites.uwm.edu/asail/about/officers/

Quote from: Sparks on June 08, 2021, 06:48:58 pm

   
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Quote from: Sparks on April 23, 2021, 08:17:23 pm
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        I found her original surname (I hope) together with a different spelling of her first name, too:

        Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Noodin

           
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Margaret A. Noodin (born Margeret Noori, 1965) is an American poet and Anishinaabemowin language teacher. She is a Professor of English and American Indian Studies at the University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee.

        I wonder if Margeret is a misspelling for Margaret? I find several publications both by Margaret Noodin and Margaret Noori, but none by Margeret Noori. Several websites repeat the wording I quoted from Wikipedia, it might be a misspelling, with one single source being quoted again and again. (Then again, she might have changed from Margeret to Margaret long before she changed her last name.)


    Seems I didn't find her original surname, after all. The phrase "(born Margeret Noori", 1965)" was removed 3 days later:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Margaret_Noodin&action=history
    "26 April 2021? Ssenier talk contribs?  …  (removed inaccurate and unsourced birth name)".

    The person who removed the phrase: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ssenier
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I was inspired to join Wikipedia in part by the #tooFEW Feminist Takeover of Wikipedia on March 15, 2013. I teach Native American literature at the University of New Hampshire. I have assigned my students to add to the List of writers from peoples indigenous to the Americas, and I have presented with User:Vizjim at the Native American Literature Symposium on how to improve Wikipedia's indigenous content. You can see the archive for our 2015 meetup, and contribute.

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This user lives in the U.S. State of New Hampshire. This user is a member of WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America.

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Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 27, 2022, 01:34:30 pm
Posted by Sparks

 Re: Margaret Noodin — Ojibwe Professor [AKA Margaret Noori]
« Reply #62 on: June 09, 2021, 04:05:42 pm »
Quote from: advancedsmite on June 09, 2021, 03:08:04 pm

   
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It appears that Margaret and “Ssenier” have both served as officers of the Association for the Study of American Indian Literatures (ASAIL).

    ASAIL Officer List: https://sites.uwm.edu/asail/about/officers/


Yes, 2 entries for Margaret Noori, 5 entries for Margaret Noodin.

7 entries for Siobhan Senier, University of New Hampshire. (https://cola.unh.edu/person/siobhan-senier)
So she is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ssenier (I have this confirmed from other sources, too.)
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 27, 2022, 01:36:23 pm
Posted by WINative

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #63 on: June 10, 2021, 09:32:20 pm »
Is there any evidence Margaret Noodin knew or taught the Ojibwe Language before moving to Ann Arbor, Michigan and working with Irving "Hap" McCue in 1992? And did Margaret teach the Ojibwe language anywhere prior to 2006?
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 27, 2022, 01:38:08 pm
Posted by verity

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #64 on: June 10, 2021, 11:39:39 pm »
Quote from: WINative on June 10, 2021, 09:32:20 pm

   
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Is there any evidence Margaret Noodin knew or taught the Ojibwe Language before moving to Ann Arbor, Michigan and working with Irving "Hap" McCue in 1992? And did Margaret teach the Ojibwe language anywhere prior to 2006?

Meg Aerol and four others were thanked for "transcribing and some copy editing" in the Oshkaabewis Native Journal, Volume 1, Issue 3, American Indian Studies Center, 1990.

But I don't know what all that involved. Only a snippet view of this can be seen on Google Books.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 27, 2022, 01:39:52 pm
Posted by Cetan

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #65 on: June 11, 2021, 01:11:21 am »
Meg was one of 2 Ojibway language instructors at U of Mich after Hap McCue passed. She started teaching Ojibway in 2006 with Hap and continued with Howard Kimewon after Hap passed in March 2008 until she moved to Wisconsin and I dont remember the exact year
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 27, 2022, 01:41:43 pm
Posted by cellophane

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #66 on: June 12, 2021, 10:20:11 pm »
Oshkaabewis Native Journal back issues are online, including vol. 1 no. 3:
https://www.bemidjistate.edu/airc/community-resources/journal/history-and-back-issues/ (https://www.bemidjistate.edu/airc/community-resources/journal/history-and-back-issues/)

The acknowledgment including Aerol is on p. 3 of the pdf. There are brief texts in Ojibwe on p. 29 and on p. 167.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 27, 2022, 01:44:50 pm
Posted by WINative

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #67 on: July 03, 2021, 02:08:25 am »
Margaret Noodin's current partner in Milwaukee, WI is Michael Zimmerman Jr. the links I found on him are below.


https://ics-edu.org/departments/native-languages/ojibwe-language/ (https://ics-edu.org/departments/native-languages/ojibwe-language/)

https://www.wuwm.com/race-ethnicity/2019-04-25/recognizing-process-change-would-do-every-one-a-bit-of-good-michael-zimmerman (https://www.wuwm.com/race-ethnicity/2019-04-25/recognizing-process-change-would-do-every-one-a-bit-of-good-michael-zimmerman)

https://www.tmj4.com/lifestyle/black-history-month/how-native-americans-played-a-crucial-role-in-wisconsins-underground-railroad (https://www.tmj4.com/lifestyle/black-history-month/how-native-americans-played-a-crucial-role-in-wisconsins-underground-railroad)
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 27, 2022, 01:46:47 pm
Posted by Bahesmama

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #68 on: October 10, 2021, 05:12:03 pm »
I worked out a tree for Meg Noodin based on the findings here. Let me know what you think! It's public on Ancestry and called "Noodin Family Tree."

http://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/pt/RSVP.aspx?dat=MTczOTg5MTU0OzswMGFhOTllOC0wMDAzLTAwMDAtMDAwMC0wMDAwMDAwMDAwMDA7MjAyMTEwMTAxNzA2MjA7MzI3Njk=&mac=h4/F9Jk7XhiIiL3nEPJUow== (http://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/pt/RSVP.aspx?dat=MTczOTg5MTU0OzswMGFhOTllOC0wMDAzLTAwMDAtMDAwMC0wMDAwMDAwMDAwMDA7MjAyMTEwMTAxNzA2MjA7MzI3Njk=&mac=h4/F9Jk7XhiIiL3nEPJUow==)
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 27, 2022, 01:49:26 pm
Posted by NAFPS Housekeeping

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #69 on: October 10, 2021, 08:59:25 pm »
The link to the tree doesn't work. Check and make sure the tree is set to public.

This has also been an issue with the tree links in the pretendians google doc. It looks like it's an "invite guest" link, as when clicked on it says:
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An error occured while processing your invitation

    Your invitation to view the family tree cannot be found.

    The reason for this error could be one of the following:

        Your invitation has already been used.
        This invitation may have already been accepted by somebody else. Each invitation is only good for one user.
        Your invitation is no longer valid.
        The owner of the family tree may have rescinded your invitation to see the tree.


Quote from: Bahesmama on October 10, 2021, 05:12:03 pm

 
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  I worked out a tree for Meg Noodin based on the findings here. Let me know what you think! It's public on Ancestry and called "Noodin Family Tree."

    http://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/pt/RSVP.aspx?dat=MTczOTg5MTU0OzswMGFhOTllOC0wMDAzLTAwMDAtMDAwMC0wMDAwMDAwMDAwMDA7MjAyMTEwMTAxNzA2MjA7MzI3Njk=&mac=h4/F9Jk7XhiIiL3nEPJUow==
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 27, 2022, 01:51:51 pm
Posted by WINative

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #70 on: November 05, 2021, 03:43:57 am »
Video from 2010 of Margaret Noori at the University of Michigan looking more like a classroom aide under teachers Howard Kimewon and Alphonse Pitawanakwat. Both who are fluent speakers but have no problems teaching non-Indians Ojibwe. I think her focus is more on singing with her group the "Swamp Singers" and creating her own solo songs.


https://youtu.be/HaDcg5-K1Oo (https://youtu.be/HaDcg5-K1Oo)
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 27, 2022, 01:55:04 pm
Posted by Cetan


 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #71 on: November 11, 2021, 03:52:29 am »
Meg was a professor of both Ojibway language and women's studies at the University of Michigan

Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 27, 2022, 01:58:22 pm
Posted by advancedsmite

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #72 on: November 21, 2021, 04:07:30 am »
Margaret O'Donnell Bodellan Aerol Noori Noodin recently contributed to an article that appeared in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. She made very interesting comments on "traceable" ancestors and identity. The relevant portion is quoted below.

"Wisconsin is full of cities with Indigenous names. So why do we know so little about them?"
Eddie Morales and Samantha Hendrickson - Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Published 11/16/2021 at 2:08 PM CT, Updated 11/16/2021 at 2:24 PM CT

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Noodin, who also teaches Ojibwe language courses, said people with Indigenous identity range from enrolled citizens of sovereign nations to descendants with clear family narratives.

    “You will often encounter descendants who, like in my family, have stories that we know are traceable and we can talk about,” she said. “For me, part of the inspiration in learning and teaching the language was to honor at least some of my ancestors.”

    Noodin said she meets many students who’ve grown up away from their nations, and because they feel disconnected, they often want to learn more about their own history.

    “I think today, unless you're teaching on one of the reservations, you often have to be very careful because people's identity has been erased with their language and their ability to practice their culture,” she said.

    Noodin said people who say they are Native should be able to say which community they return to frequently, or stay in touch with, and who in a particular community knows them.

    “You really just have to honor where people are at and listen to their full narrative, and ultimately the best way to know if someone has an Indigenous connection is to find out where that narrative leads,” she said. “Does it connect to a community who claims them? That's the most important thing.”
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 27, 2022, 02:01:17 pm
Posted by Diana

 Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #73 on: November 21, 2021, 10:12:54 am »
Hi advanced, could please provide a link to the article.  Thank you.  😉


Quote from: advancedsmite on November 21, 2021, 04:07:30 am

   
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Margaret O'Donnell Bodellan Aerol Noori Noodin recently contributed to an article that appeared in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. She made very interesting comments on "traceable" ancestors and identity. The relevant portion is quoted below.

    "Wisconsin is full of cities with Indigenous names. So why do we know so little about them?"
    Eddie Morales and Samantha Hendrickson - Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
    Published 11/16/2021 at 2:08 PM CT, Updated 11/16/2021 at 2:24 PM CT

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Noodin, who also teaches Ojibwe language courses, said people with Indigenous identity range from enrolled citizens of sovereign nations to descendants with clear family narratives.

        “You will often encounter descendants who, like in my family, have stories that we know are traceable and we can talk about,” she said. “For me, part of the inspiration in learning and teaching the language was to honor at least some of my ancestors.”

        Noodin said she meets many students who’ve grown up away from their nations, and because they feel disconnected, they often want to learn more about their own history.

        “I think today, unless you're teaching on one of the reservations, you often have to be very careful because people's identity has been erased with their language and their ability to practice their culture,” she said.

        Noodin said people who say they are Native should be able to say which community they return to frequently, or stay in touch with, and who in a particular community knows them.

        “You really just have to honor where people are at and listen to their full narrative, and ultimately the best way to know if someone has an Indigenous connection is to find out where that narrative leads,” she said. “Does it connect to a community who claims them? That's the most important thing.”
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on August 27, 2022, 02:03:30 pm
Posted by Sparks

 Re: Margaret Noodin — Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #74 on: November 21, 2021, 03:05:25 pm »
Quote from: Diana on November 21, 2021, 10:12:54 am

   
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Hi advanced, could please provide a link to the article.  Thank you.  😉


https://eu.jsonline.com/story/communities/2021/11/16/educators-talk-teaching-and-understanding-native-american-history/5884319001/
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 27, 2022, 05:15:45 pm
Posted by Diana

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #90 on: March 25, 2022, 08:08:28 pm »

I went back and concentrated on her grandmother Margaret C Hill. And have found all relatives are white. I especially concentrated on the Canadian side of the family. Looked at old baptisms almost all in French and all were white.

I just want to say Canada keeps very good records on race, even back to the 17th century. In many instances they are much better and more accurate than the USA.

Again just to reiterate I found only white ancestry on Margeret  O'Donnell Noodin. Unless she can come up with undisputed proof that she has ANY INDIAN BLOOD this post stands as is.

Oh by the way I believe this person calling themselves Monplaisir is all over find a grave leaving memorials on the very French Canadian relatives I have been researching. I believe this is Margeret and she has been searching for 8 years.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 27, 2022, 05:22:09 pm
Posted by Diana

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #91 on: March 25, 2022, 08:21:03 pm »

Notice how all of her name dropping about the AIM creators are dead.(Trudell, Bellencort) How convenient. I tried to investigate her friendships with these historic figures and found nothing. If I remember correctly in other bios and writings of Margarets, she claimed she was very close to these people.(AIM) I would like for her to provide proof of this.

Quote from: WINative on March 25, 2022, 01:53:53 pm
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Very interesting response from Margaret, I appreciate it, but she still doesn't come out clear and say I am Not Native American, my family didn't attend boarding schools, my parents and grandparents weren't (Pow-wow?) singers and dancers.
She talks about being a good ally at points but then proceeds to name-drop as to validate anything she has done. She appeals to the heart strings as a victim of malicious posters, I think if she were honest and say I am not Ojibwe at all, but I have learned it, and just want to help and I understand my place as a helper, it would have removed the need for any posts or research on her, and people would respect that.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 27, 2022, 05:26:58 pm
Posted by Noodin

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #92 on: March 27, 2022, 08:51:19 pm »

So, I'm really not one for confrontation and I have been hoping things would blow over on here but it might be helpful for me to say a few things. I can appreciate some of the questions people are asking and I would be happy to answer them myself. I know issues related to identity are important.

I thought maybe when I put a statement on my work website and my email was posted here, people would reach out to me directly and I sure hope anyone worried about my ancestry, ethnicity and life experiences will actually contact me but that hasn't happened yet.  I can't see who some of the most concerned forum members are in real life, but I think a few of you might be here in Milwaukee where I currently live. I would be happy to meet with anyone to answer questions if it would help us all get along.

In short, it's been a little painful watching some of the things posted and some of the questions asked so I am trying again to see if I can help clarify. I do teach Ojibwe which I heard around me as a kid growing up south of Minneapolis and in listening to stories of my own family came to believe is one of the languages to which we have a connection. As you have noted here, I also speak French and lived there for a time while in college, and have recently had the amazing opportunity to learn Irish. Many people have helped my family get closer to sorting out details of ancestry but early in my twenties it become obvious that there is not enough clarity regarding Indigenous ancestry for any of the current generation to become enrolled. And most importantly, given some of the advantages I've had, it has always seemed very important to not seek that. I am an American like many others who has a rich and complex family tree. The reason I kept learning, and now teaching, Anishinaabemowin, is because many friends and mentors in the Ojibwe community encouraged me to honor my own history and help preserve the language. The ancestry.com tree that was made public by someone other than me is not quite right. A few people are missing and there are some no longer with us. In particular, Elizabeth Meyers Bean's birth father Henri Lavallee. I may live long enough to understand exactly which part of the Great Lakes her family was from and I may one day have time to do research in Montreal, but until more information is uncovered what I have are family stories recorded by my relatives and other documents which are still not enough to place that family clearly on any roll. Because I was initially encouraged to research this branch of my family tree, and to help with language and cultural revitalization by people at Mille Lacs, Fond du Lac and Grand Portage, these are the communities I have remained closest to. There may still be connections, in particular with Grand Portage, that could be made, but I have always been very clear that I am not enrolled.  I still work with folks in all these places, and many other Anishinaabe nations, and would be happy to give you names if you would like references. Again, I do understand the need to confirm that I am not seeking to represent any nation and that my fluency and experience is what I say it is.

I have really tried throughout my life to stay in my own lane. My gift is song and language.  I have tried to learn and teach what I can to keep the cycle of knowledge going. I definitely don't come from a family of pow wow dancers and have made a point to never dance in contest pow wows. But if you'd like to see the first dress an elder helped me make way back in the late 1980s or hear about some of the many ways I've tried to support these traditions, I would be happy to talk about that or share pictures. It just doesn't seem like something to post here. As noted, many of my significant mentors and friends have walked on, but there are others who could confirm that I've had this same story for a long time - never enrolled - but honored to connect part of my past with efforts today.

I don't want to start any kind of back and forth debate and hope I have not offended anyone by trying to share my response to this nearly year-long conversation. Please, read my poems, my essays, my work on www.ojibwe.net. If you have questions, please email me directly, come talk to me in person and share a coffee. I'd like to keep honoring my own story and hope you can accept it for what it is.

Margaret O'Donnell Noodin     noodin@uwm.edu
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 27, 2022, 05:28:42 pm
Posted by WINative

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #93 on: March 27, 2022, 11:54:30 pm »

Hi Noodin,
I appreciate the fact your on here to speak for yourself to all these allegations and documentation.
You have actually verified that all the family tree research that has been done by our members is accurate and correct and your are Not Native American at all. I think you have yet to say that though, since you start off saying you are not then go back to say you might be in each writing.
There is plenty of documentation in your own words going back over 10 years that you do claim Ojibwe blood and a cultural identity not your own.
The damage has been done, and it's too late for the "I don't know who I am so it's not my fault," speech.
You took over a Native American University office and turned it into a all white women's club to cater to your own ego and insecurities. You have misled students, the public, and community members as to your real lineage and intentions. You have taken up valuable educational and cultural space reserved for authentic Ojibwe speakers and Native American Historians. You are fishing for sympathy now that are your lies are becoming public and you cannot maintain the charade anymore.
The people know who you are now, and even if the university refuses to act on it the community can choose to.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 27, 2022, 05:30:34 pm
Posted by Smart Mule

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #94 on: March 28, 2022, 03:35:11 pm »

Hi Noodin,

Thank you for coming here and participating.

WINative cover a lot of what I wanted to say so I won't repeat what they covered.

It concerns me that while this is a community issue, that you would prefer to communicate about it in private. It also bothers me that your responses both on your work website and here read more like self-promotion than ownership. Finally, there is something unsettling about your ownership of ojibwe.net It seems as though you've done a whole lot of cultural data mining and you are profiting off of that with zero feelings of guilt or remorse.

SM
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 27, 2022, 05:35:30 pm
Posted by educatedindian

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #95 on: March 28, 2022, 05:33:27 pm »

Quote from: WINative on March 27, 2022, 11:54:30 pm
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You took over a Native American University office and turned it into a all white women's club to cater to your own ego and insecurities. You have misled students, the public, and community members as to your real lineage and intentions. You have taken up valuable educational and cultural space reserved for authentic Ojibwe speakers and Native American Historians.

This is an argument I've seen before and it's simply false. What makes it disturbing is that Natives repeat the same lie that white racists go on and on about.

No such thing as a "Native office" or "reserved for Native historians." No one gets an office or position or tenure or anything else "just for being Native." That's a myth spread by racists full of resentment who believe POC are inferior, who claim that POC are too incapable and couldn't do anything, esp get a job, without it being handed to them. There are no set asides, no quotas, no jobs reserved for NDNs or anyone else based on race, ethnicity, color, or nationality.

That's actually been explicitly illegal since the late 70s. It wasn't even widely done before then. What does happen on rezzes and in the BIA is that enrollment with a nation is taken into consideration for the sake of self governance. But universities don't do that, other than tribal colleges, nor should they.

Noodin didn't get her job based on being Ojibwe or not. She got it for being a fluent Ojibwe speaker. Big difference. Myself, Steve Russell, Angela Cavendar Wilson, Robert Warrior, Vine Deloria, and many other scholars far better than me, none of us got any position based on race etc. We got our jobs based on our training, teaching, and scholarship. Period.

Having said that, your point in the middle of an otherwise false claim, bizarrely take from believing white racists who hate us, is still true. Lying or being deceptive about your background makes a professor or anyone else less trustworthy.

And did you not notice the start of her earlier published statement? She stepped down. You won, but don't seem to realize it.

But I agree with SM that her owning or running Ojibwe.net is a problem. I think everyone would prefer the domain name be turned over to or the site at least mostly run by Ojibwe.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 27, 2022, 05:38:48 pm
Posted by WINative

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #96 on: March 28, 2022, 08:36:47 pm »

"When whistleblowers are subject to ridicule and harassment by race shifters and their defenders, the ridicule often takes the form of accusations that Indigenous critics are engaging in “lateral violence” and “jealousy.” Whistleblowers are disparagingly compared against the supposedly more talented, intelligent, accomplished, and superior race shifters. Thus, usually white race shifters and their defenders perpetuate racist civilizational discourses common in earlier centuries that portrayed Indigenous people as less evolved and therefore less deserving of their land, resources, and autonomy than the superior whites who sought to appropriate and control. Today, arguments that race shifters are superior seek to portray them as not only superior humans, but superior and more noble Indians who are more deserving of the wealth and resources they lay claim to and who are more qualified to speak on behalf of us. It’s a new twist on a centuries-long settler-colonial strategy, a final act of colonial theft of our very identities and the resources that accompany them."
Kim Tallbear

Thanks for pointing out your divided loyalties Educated Native, I don't see how you can defend this person? Your gonna shame me for not knowing how University hiring and policies work? You don't know what my community wants or needs. I think we would benefit most from her leaving the community entirely not just receiving a promotion to something higher in the University. I think we would benefit from her not working with our youth anymore at the Indian Community School. We would benefit from her not being the point person the media contacts on any subject dealing with Native Americans in Milwaukee.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 27, 2022, 05:43:02 pm
Posted by mackinackwe

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #97 on: March 29, 2022, 12:19:40 am »

When registering for this website it says, "You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law."

How is this not harassment (most especially by WINative) that is happening here? It is certainly bullying and likely it is defamatory. Margaret has never claimed to be an enrolled member or misrepresented her identity.

Margaret has worked tirelessly for over 30 years to support Anishinaabemowin teachers, students, and interested community members. She has had a huge positive impact on the revitalization of the language. I am one of her partners on Ojibwe.net (which is a stand alone website that we pay for ourselves and is not affiliated with a university or tribal community) along with fluent elder, Alphonse Pitawanakwat. It is sickening to look at this thread.

The ugliness you have created here will never take away the beauty that Margaret has added to this world with her poetry, support of others (especially our elders and teachers), and tireless devotion to Anishinaabemowin revitalization.

-Stacie Sheldon and Alphonse Pitawanakwat
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 27, 2022, 05:46:45 pm
Posted by Smart Mule

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #98 on: March 29, 2022, 12:45:41 am »

mackinackwe, she bold face lies. Watch this video that WINative posted https://aadl.org/node/370469 (https://aadl.org/node/370469) go to 2:46 "the tribe that we were enrolled in is the Minnesota Chippewa from Grand Portage". She states she never claimed status but she very much did. She also claims Metis from Montreal, I'm sorry but there is no such thing. I have barely looked into this issue (mind you she is only in research needed, not frauds) and I quickly found a lie. It's nice that she's done some good things but if she is lying to people how is that work beneficial? She is deceiving or has deceived the people she is supposed to be helping.

SM
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 27, 2022, 05:52:55 pm
Posted by educatedindian

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #99 on: March 29, 2022, 03:16:14 pm »

Quote from: WINative on March 28, 2022, 08:36:47 pm
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Thanks for pointing out your divided loyalties Educated Native, I don't see how you can defend this person? Your gonna shame me for not knowing how University hiring and policies work? You don't know what my community wants or needs. I think we would benefit most from her leaving the community entirely not just receiving a promotion to something higher in the University. I think we would benefit from her not working with our youth anymore at the Indian Community School. We would benefit from her not being the point person the media contacts on any subject dealing with Native Americans in Milwaukee.

And how would it benefit the community to have one less teacher teaching them Ojibwe? Would you also demand the nurse or doc at an IHS clinic has to be NDN, even if illnesses go untreated?

But apparently you've gotten your wish, the equivalent. One less teacher, and it's that much harder to hold onto the language. At ASU when I went there, they offered Dineh, Hopi, and O'odham. But they didn't demand enrollment cards from every teacher or student.

It might surprise you, but every single professor for my degrees was not an NDN. Some like Wilson, Donna Akers, and James Riding In were. Others like Don Parman and Peter Iverson weren't. Look them up. These white guys had records of accomplishment too. They also did quite a lot of good working with rezzes, activists, community groups, you name it. Iverson, until his recent passing, was one of the most respected names in Navajo Studies. There was a long list of tributes to him coming from Dineh.

And guess what? I also teach Western Civ and I'm going to be teaching African American History soon. They don't tell me I can't because I'm not white or Black. They recognize that'd be racist.

I will shame you for buying into and repeating a long time racist argument and lie, that NDNs and POC are just so inferior they have to have quotas to get a job. You absolutely should be ashamed of peddling such racism and naively falling for it.

I absolutely don't defend her telling falsehoods about her background, as SM just uncovered and others have, including you.

« Last Edit: March 29, 2022, 03:36:59 pm by educatedindian »
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 27, 2022, 05:54:58 pm
Posted by educatedindian

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #100 on: March 29, 2022, 03:26:54 pm »

Quote from: mackinackwe on March 29, 2022, 12:19:40 am
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I am one of her partners on Ojibwe.net (which is a stand alone website that we pay for ourselves and is not affiliated with a university or tribal community) along with fluent elder, Alphonse Pitawanakwat.

-Stacie Sheldon and Alphonse Pitawanakwat

Thanks for pointing that out. So two out of three people running the site are Ojibwe? That would make it similar to NAFPS since we also have non Natives here.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 27, 2022, 05:56:46 pm
Posted by Noodin

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #101 on: March 29, 2022, 04:13:30 pm »

Please note that while researching the branch of my family this forum seems to want to overlook, various individuals at Mille Lacs and Grand Portage have said to me that they thought there could be a connection.  I have acknowledged that but have NEVER claimed to be enrolled. I agree that I cannot and should not claim any enrollment status. However, I do not think I should be told to cease researching this branch of the family and ignore my family's narrative. I have been told by many elders to keep speaking and teaching the language. I have asked many communities what they needed and done EXACTLY what they asked. I wish you would research that or my fluency for a change.  The questions to be asked are: what knowledge do you hold? why do you hold it? what were you told to do with that knowledge? and how do you raise up Indigenous individuals and communities? WINative should explain who they are and who in Milwaukee says I have lied to them.  Many people here would say that I have repeatedly and regularly insisted for many years now that I am not enrolled and simply have a family narrative of Anishinaabe/Ojibwe ethnicity through the Hill-Lavallee branch. Please stop saying that I am lying.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 27, 2022, 05:59:47 pm
Posted by Smart Mule

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #102 on: March 29, 2022, 05:05:30 pm »

Noodin, I posted a time stamp of where you claim your family is enrolled. You. Said. This.

No one is saying you can't research your family. You should research you family and be able to back up claims with names that directly link you to descending from specific communities if you are claiming to be a descendant. Family narrative is a whole other thing. There needs to be proof to back up claims of ancestry, you know this. Otherwise it's just a story, a potential fairytale or potentially true. One simply can't go on narrative alone, that's why there is such an enormous problem with frauds (note - you are not listed in frauds), especially in academia. If your language skills are lauded by the community then great! Use those skills to help the community but don't present yourself as even a descendant if you simply don't know for sure. And please, don't push the eastern Metis narrative. It's incredibly damaging. Stop name dropping. Stop telling everyone how totally humble you are by doing this and that (because that's not really being humble now, is it). Own that you've messed up. Apologize authentically and make amends rather than making this about you.

I really don't care who WINative is. I respect their research over the years.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 27, 2022, 06:06:00 pm
Posted by Diana

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #103 on: March 29, 2022, 08:04:45 pm »

I went back again after Margaret mentioned another side of her family I did miss. Her great grandmother Lizzie Meyers was actually married to a William Bean. He appears to be the father of Margaret Hill her grandmother. Margaret Hill was born in 1907. As you can see by the marriage date 1906 and death 1907 Lizzie and William weren't even married a year before he died. And it appears she was left pregnant and a widow. I did read the obituary for William and it doesn't mention his wife Lizzie. I don't know if it was normal at that time early 21st century not to mention the deceased wife/widow??. I just don't know. Maybe there was bad blood between the family and Lizzie. We just don't know.

In 1909 she marries George Hill. And in the 1910 census this is where Lizzie and Margaret show up with George Hill.

I did look at William Bean's parents and again everyone is white. I will post their genealogy later. We are now going back to the early 1800s with William Bean's parents and still everyone is white.

 I don't know what Margaret is talking about. She keeps mentioning the Mille Lac and the Portage Tribes and she's some how related to them. Can you please show us the connection because I don't see it.

Lizzie Myers in the Massachusetts, U.S., Marriage Records, 1840-1915

Name:   Lizzie Myers
Age:   21
Birth Year:   abt 1885
Birth Place:   Canada
Marriage Date:   14 May 1906
Marriage Place:   Fitchburg, Massachusetts, USA
Father:   
John H Myers
Mother:   
Agnes Lagunade
Spouse:   
William M Bean

William M Beanin the Massachusetts, U.S., Death Records, 1841-1915

William M Bean
Gender:   Male
Race:   White
Age:   26
Birth Date:   abt 1881
Birth Place:   Fitchburg, Massachusetts
Death Date:   18 Mar 1907
Death Place:   Fitchburg, Massachusetts, USA
Father:   
Moses Bean

Mother:   
Cordelia Lapairsee
Wills and Probates:   
Search for William M Bean in Massachusetts Wills & Probates collection

Lizzie Bean in the Rhode Island, U.S., Marriage Index, 1851-1920

Detail Source
Name:   Lizzie Bean
Spouse:   George W Hill
Marriage Date:   4 Jan 1909


Margaret E Hall in the 1910 United States Federal Census
 
Name:   Margaret E Hall
[Hill]

Age in 1910:   3
Birth Date:   1907
[1907]
Birthplace:   Massachusetts
Home in 1910:   Providence Ward 8, Providence, Rhode Island, USA
Street:   Sterling Avenue
Race:   White
Gender:   Female
Relation to Head of House:   Daughter
Marital Status:   Single
Father's Name:   George W Hall
Father's Birthplace:   New Hampshire
Mother's Name:   Lizzie M Hall
Mother's Birthplace:   Canada
[Canada French]
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members   Age   Relationship
George W Hall
35   Head
Lizzie M Hall
25   Wife
Margaret E Hall   3   Daughter
Harold G Hall
0   Son
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 27, 2022, 06:09:29 pm
Posted by Noodin

Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
« Reply #104 on: March 29, 2022, 08:33:36 pm »

I sincerely apologize for making confusing statements over the years. This is not about me. I do not matter. I have learned a profound lesson about how important it is for me as a teacher of Ojibwe to make very clear I am not, and could never be enrolled. I hope this public statement can serve as an adequate apology for the hurt and frustration I have caused. I will ensure that all websites contain no implication of descendancy, ancestry or ethnicity. As noted, I have already hired a replacement at the Electa Quinney Institute. He is an enrolled member of a federally recognized nation. I will be sending resignation letters to all boards and organizations within a week.  They can then freely decide if an American speaker of Ojibwe is helpful to their organization.

@Diana - You seem skilled at genealogy. Lizzie's father was Henri Lavallee, her stepfather was John Meyers. I will refrain from mentioning anything publicly about them until I know more and will cease sharing the story she told about her sister attending boarding school until I can verify the school.
Title: The Complete "Margaret Noodin, Professor" Thread as of August 3, 2022
Post by: Sparks on August 28, 2022, 04:10:43 am
I made a PDF (PRINT version) of the whole "Margaret Noodin, Professor" thread as of August 3, 2022, including my latest comment there. I don't think there were any more comments until the original thread (topic) disappeared about a week ago (as many of you will know). The PDF is now attached here:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=5624.0
[The Complete "Margaret Noodin, Professor" Thread as of August 3, 2022]

I hope this will be of some use, even if none of the links (URLs) in that PDF are clickable.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 28, 2022, 11:55:42 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
Post by: advancedsmite on April 01, 2022, 05:33:20 am

The UWM Alumni Association hosted a live event "Milwaukee's Long History Along the Lake" featuring Margaret Noodin on June 24, 2020. The full video is available at this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mZeh_ROHnw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mZeh_ROHnw)*. I have transcribed Margaret's response to a question from the audience regarding her background (14:10 to 16:15) below. I bolded text that seems especially relevant based on prior discussion in this thread.

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…I’m originally from Minnesota. I grew up hearing the language a bit. It is part of my background, and I had a sense that I should learn to speak the language of my ancestors. But I also had a lot of support from elders around me. So, I’m part of a generation that got to hear a lot of elders for sure. In Minneapolis, we still at the time when I was growing up there, had a lot of people that held classes. We had some summer camps. I certainly got to hear the language a lot. But I grew up in the city and we did not speak the language at home. It’s been 5 generations since anybody in my family was fluent in the language and then I really dedicated my life to trying to reclaim that. Our family is from Grand Portage Lake Superior Band of Chippewa but then also from the Ontario Metis. So, people will sometimes say “Well which are your family names?” In our case it’s the Hills, Lavallees, Monplaisirs. It gives you a sense of who we were and how that trade culture mixed with our culture around the Great Lakes.
And the other thing that I’m always really happy to be able to share is both of my daughters grew up hearing the language and singing these songs and using it. Recently my oldest graduated from college and the youngest will be entering college next year and it’s really been a delight to see that with some effort I believed what all my teachers told me which was “teach your children.” If you’re going to learn, teach your children as you are learning and, in my family, we’ve done that. So, I’m happy to say we’ve got the language at least moving forward one more generation. I hope you know (if that’s helpful for folks to know a little bit) it is definitely possible for people to reclaim those connections.

*New hyperlink added by advancedsmite during reconstruction of thread due to broken hyperlink. See attached PNG file for reference.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 28, 2022, 11:59:52 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on April 02, 2022, 06:10:46 pm

Margaret, could you please expand a bit on Henri Lavallee being Lizzie's father? Is this a non-paternity event? Is there documentation or is this a family story? Who exactly was Henri Lavallee? Is he where some of your potential ancestry comes from? Who were his People? Did Lizzie and/or Jenny attend boarding school while they resided in Rhode Island or was it prior to that while in Whitehall?

Thanks,

SM
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 29, 2022, 12:04:11 am
Posted by Noodin

Title: Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
Post by: Noodin on April 05, 2022, 02:07:10 am

Henri Lavallee is Lizzie's birth father. We have family stories of him living is several parts of the Great Lakes which is why our family has searched for the Lavallee name in several communities. I am not at all saying that I have any claim to enrollment through him and Lizzie, only that I was raised understanding this is where we have the connection to Great Lakes Indigenous identity. The term used over time has changed from just Indian (in Lizzie's stories of being at an Indian school) to Chippewa (during my father's lifetime) to Anishinaabe (during my lifetime) - however I believe this is the same diaspora, or confederacy. People in several communities have looked at this with me and I hope one day to find more, but this is what I know.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 29, 2022, 12:13:16 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
Post by: advancedsmite on April 05, 2022, 04:09:19 am

Were the boarding school/Indian school stories about Elizabeth or Jennie?

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March 29, 2022
Lizzie's father was Henri Lavallee, her stepfather was John Meyers. I will refrain from mentioning anything publicly about them until I know more and will cease sharing the story she told about her sister attending boarding school until I can verify the school.

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April 4, 2022
The term used over time has changed from just Indian (in Lizzie's stories of being at an Indian school) to Chippewa (during my father's lifetime) to Anishinaabe (during my lifetime) - however I believe this is the same diaspora, or confederacy.

Smart Mule asked about whether there is any documentation about Henri Lavallee being Elizabeth's father. Can you address
specifically: Is there a record of Henri marrying Agnes? Is there a birth or baptismal record that lists Elizabeth's father as Henri
Lavallee? Is there a record of Henri's death?
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 29, 2022, 12:19:59 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on April 05, 2022, 09:46:02 pm

If Lizzie's mother married John Henry Meyers in 1878 and Lizzie was born in 1884 then this is a non-paternity event. Are you basing this on family lore or do you have documentation?

Quote from: Noodin on April 05, 2022, 02:07:10 am
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Henri Lavallee is Lizzie's birth father. We have family stories of him living is several parts of the Great Lakes which is why our family has searched for the Lavallee name in several communities. I am not at all saying that I have any claim to enrollment through him and Lizzie, only that I was raised understanding this is where we have the connection to Great Lakes Indigenous identity. The term used over time has changed from just Indian (in Lizzie's stories of being at an Indian school) to Chippewa (during my father's lifetime) to Anishinaabe (during my lifetime) - however I believe this is the same diaspora, or confederacy. People in several communities have looked at this with me and I hope one day to find more, but this is what I know.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 29, 2022, 12:23:50 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
Post by: WINative on April 06, 2022, 07:11:46 pm

I realize universities are protected from hiring non-Natives for positions teaching Native history or programs, and there is no Indian Preference in hiring. That's why Ward Churchill, and Andrea Smith, have been able to continue their work. The best case scenario for any Native community trying to repatriate its languages and cultures, and heal from historical trauma is to have a enrolled Native person would be hired with the proper credentials to assist them and if not Native they would be totally transparent about their background, which we have numerous documentation that Margaret Noodin has not. From misrepresenting how she was raised, to her last name, to her lineage to Grand Portage and Metis, none of this has proven true.
Her tactic now seems to say she never claimed to be enrolled, but not to deny she has Any Native or Ojibwe ancestry. She claims friends have told her to explore her identity, that is not a proxy for go tell the world your Ojibwe until your found out. I would like to see this person placed in Frauds.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 29, 2022, 12:39:37 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
Post by: Diana on April 07, 2022, 10:09:19 pm

I think I may have solved the mystery of Mr. Lavallee allegedly Lizzie Bean Meyers Hill's father.

I went over several censuses again and started looking at the original 1910 censuses and the neighbors on it. In the 1910 census Lizzie Bean Meyers Hill and her family were living in Providence Rhode Island. The name on the 1910 census is Hall but is obviously a misspelling. Also Margaret/Montplaisir has already corrected it as you will see.

Lizzie and George Hall/Hill were living on Sterling Avenue #52 and George was working at the woolen mill. If you scroll down to #53 Sterling Avenue there is a neighbor by the name of Paul Lavallee. Paul Lavallee and family is also from Canada/French and also works at the same woolen mill as Lizzie's husband George Hall/Hill. Now if you scroll down even further there's a man by the name of Henri Vadnars at the same address as the Lavallees. And Henri Vadnars also works at the woolen mill. The Vadnars are also from Canada.

This is too much of a coincidence. I believe this is where the rumor started about "Henri Lavallee". I think the rumors of an affair was probably between this Paul Lavallee and Lizzie. And of course through the years the rumor like the game telephone got twisted into something else.

Name: Lizzie M Hall
[Hill]
Age in 1910: 25
Birth Date: 1885
[1885]
Birthplace: Canada
[Canada French]
Home in 1910: Providence Ward 8, Providence, Rhode Island, USA
Street: Sterling Avenue
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1904
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: George W Hall
Father's Birthplace: Canada
[Canada French]
Mother's Birthplace: Canada
[Canada French]
Native Tongue: English
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Years Married: 3
Number of Children Born: 2
Number of Children Living: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members Age Relationship
George W Hall
35 Head
Lizzie M Hall 25 Wife
Margaret E Hall
3 Daughter
Harold G Hall
0 Son

Name: Paul Lavallee
Age in 1910: 28
Birth Date: 1882
[1882]
Birthplace: Canada
[Canada French]
Home in 1910: Providence Ward 8, Providence, Rhode Island, USA
Street: Sterling Avenue
House Number: 53
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1906
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Clara Lavallee
Father's Birthplace: Canada
[Canada French]
Mother's Birthplace: Canada
[Canada French]
Native Tongue: English
Occupation: Loom Fixer
Industry: Worsted Mill

Employer, Employee or Other: Wage Earner
Home Owned or Rented: Rent
Farm or House: House
Naturalization Status: Alien
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Years Married: 7
Out of Work: N
Number of Weeks Out of Work: 0
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members Age Relationship
Paul Lavallee 28 Head
Clara Lavallee
30 Wife
Delia Lavallee
4 Daughter
Herman Lavallee
3 Son
Louis Lavallee
25 Brother
Pheobe Lavallee
22 Sister-in-law
Beatrice Lavallee
0 Niece

Name: Henri Vadnars
[Henri Vadnais]
[Henri Vadnais]
Age in 1910: 45
[46]
Birth Date: 1865
[1865]
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1910: Providence Ward 8, Providence, Rhode Island, USA
Street: Sterling Avenue
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Rosenna Vadnars
Father's Birthplace: New York
Mother's Birthplace: Canada
[Canada French]
Native Tongue: English
Occupation: Weaver
Industry: Woolen Mill
Employer, Employee or Other: Wage Earner
Home Owned or Rented: Rent
Farm or House: House
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Years Married: 20
Out of Work: N
Number of Weeks Out of Work: 0
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members Age Relationship
Henri Vadnars 45 Head
Rosenna Vadnars
37 Wife
Henri E Vadnars
19 Son
Felix M Vadnars
18 Son
Joseph A Vadnars
16 Son
Clarabelle Vadnars
14 Daughter
Charles C Vadnars
12 Son
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 29, 2022, 12:43:05 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 08, 2022, 11:53:29 pm

Well, whatever went on with these households and neighbors, all these people, Lavallees included, are white.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 29, 2022, 02:08:19 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on April 09, 2022, 12:49:36 pm

I went through every census in Ontario, Saskatchewan and Quebec from 1852-1921 and there was no Henri Lavallee, including
variations of spelling, showing as Indian. Not one. Not one living where Lizzie would have been conceived or elsewhere. I
checked those specific areas because he is supposed to be Nish. I'm open to checking other provinces, I had to stop because I
was traveling. Should I bother?
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 31, 2022, 03:04:50 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
Post by: WINative on April 14, 2022, 04:45:17 pm

I know many of you have worked hard to uncover Margaret Noodin's family history and have done a great job in showing she has No Indian Blood on either side, No Grand Portage Band of Lake Superior Chippewa and No Metis. Both of these she has claimed to be in her past videos and presentations.
As early as 1992, she is documented as claiming to be Ojibwe from Minnesota, and 2008 she said on the video below "The Tribe we were enrolled at is Minnesota Chippewa from Grand Portage and Martin Clan." As recent as the video from 2020 below she states, " Our family is from Grand Portage Band of Lake Superior Chippewa." She now states I never said that-i'm just a Ojibwe descendant, which she is Not. She has admitted she is stepping down from the Electa Quinney Institute due to these issues and people don't do that unless they have been caught. She has led you down a wild goose chase stories of more ancestors but nothing found. I think this has to have a consequence for all her actions, which have had a negative impact on
real Native Americans.

https://aadl.org/node/370469?fbclid=IwAR2c4LBw7pXWpP1ir6UVOqjMKttoWn2soI0u3wgJRnxUvJIbcYEmNMl2cTc (https://aadl.org/node/370469?fbclid=IwAR2c4LBw7pXWpP1ir6UVOqjMKttoWn2soI0u3wgJRnxUvJIbcYEmNMl2cTc)*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLOgHzhyF7o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLOgHzhyF7o)*

*Strikethrough added by advancedsmite during reconstruction of the thread to indicate a broken link. See attached PNG file for reference.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 31, 2022, 03:19:17 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: educatedindian on April 15, 2022, 12:05:59 am

Quote from: WINative on April 06, 2022, 07:11:46 pm
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I realize universities are protected from hiring non-Natives for positions teaching Native history or programs, and there is no Indian Preference in hiring. That's why Ward Churchill, and Andrea Smith, have been able to continue their work. The best case scenario for any Native community trying to repatriate its languages and cultures, and heal from historical trauma is to have a enrolled Native person would be hired with the proper credentials to assist them and if not Native they would be totally transparent about their background, which we have numerous documentation that Margaret Noodin has not. From misrepresenting how she was raised, to her last name, to her lineage to Grand Portage and Metis, none of this has proven true.
Her tactic now seems to say she never claimed to be enrolled, but not to deny she has Any Native or Ojibwe ancestry. She claims friends have told her to explore her identity, that is not a proxy for go tell the world your Ojibwe until your found out. I would like to see this person placed in Frauds.

Actually Churchill is the one and only case I know of where he was hired solely for being (thought to be) Native, and not for the quality of his work, training, or teaching. And both he and Smith were forced to step down.

How many times do you have to hear you won before you realize you did? This is the third time I've told you.

You've been part of NAFPS for years and you realize who we usually go after. She's not a cult leader, didn't abuse anyone, didn't spread falsehoods about Native traditions. There's zero evidence of harming anyone. Just the opposite, her being forced to step down harms Ojibwes by taking away a language teacher.

You're certainly right that it's far better to have someone who grew up speaking the language teaching it instead of someone who learned it as an adult. But that's just not possible for more than a few NDN tribes in the US or Canada.

I'm writing this paragraph for any outsiders reading this since I know you know it all too well. Boarding schools came damn close to killing Native languages, reduced the speakers to sometimes a few dozen people out of thousands. Even the larger groups like Dineh and Cherokee struggle to hold onto the language. Non Natives often teaching the language is going to be a reality for the near future, for the same reasons the Spanish teachers in Iowa high schools probably won't be Latinos.

Noodin is someone who took the family stories of ancestry at face value without checking them. This is something she shouldn't have done, but there was no intent to harm and no benefit to her.

Calling herself Ojibwe several times so far that we know of instead of "I believe myself to be a descendant" was wrong. But it wasn't systematic, and likely came from her thinking at that moment, "I'm part of the community, and I believe what my family said." She has apologized here and can and should correct her mistakes.

It also has to be a hard experience for her to go through. All her life she believed herself to be a descendant and made it her career to learn the language fluently, doing a lot of good because she also thought she was getting in touch with her roots. And she can and should take pride in the good she's done, just has to relearn to think of herself as an ally and community friend.

WIN, you know what we do when someone we criticized and investigated tries to change and do right, or was found not to be harmful. Noodin is both of these.

The right thing to do is wait for her to contact the several websites where she falsely called herself Ojibwe instead of "I claim to be a descendant." Once the sites have corrections up, this thread should be moved to Archives and marked No Longer a Matter of Concern.

You won. She had to step down, and changes what she said. Happy ending? Not for the shock to her sense of self, and the loss of a needed teacher.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 31, 2022, 03:30:49 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 15, 2022, 01:57:19 am

It's too early to say if she has changed. She came here and tried to mislead us.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 31, 2022, 03:33:06 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
Post by: Cetan on April 15, 2022, 03:30:45 am

Meg is good at teaching the language and is fluent, if she hadnt been Hap and Howard and Alfonse would not have worked
with her at U of Michigan. She had been a good influence with students here encouraging them to learn and speak their
language
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 31, 2022, 03:38:18 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: shkodenhskwe on April 15, 2022, 04:34:51 pm

Quote from: educatedindian on April 15, 2022, 12:05:59 am
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There's zero evidence of harming anyone. Just the opposite, her being forced to step down harms Ojibwes by taking away a language teacher.

You're certainly right that it's far better to have someone who grew up speaking the language teaching it instead of someone who learned it as an adult. But that's just not possible for more than a few NDN tribes in the US or Canada.

Hi, I only just created an account. But, I came here to politely request that you do not speak on behalf of Ojibwes if you are not one. I am one. And that is also the harm done here. Noori has spoken on behalf of our people and our language and has mined community elders to build her resume and she is not Native. Not one ounce. There are other voices that speak on behalf of themselves, and that is our way.

Thank you to everyone in this forum who has contributed.

I learn my language from my elders and my family. We absolutely do not need a non-Native person teaching our language.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 31, 2022, 03:40:12 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
Post by: fairbanks on April 15, 2022, 05:10:02 pm

Here's an interesting article about cultural appropriation within context of non-natives profiting off of learning native
languages.

https://medium.com/literature-and-social-change/give-me-back-my-language-d8244c817067 (https://medium.com/literature-and-social-change/give-me-back-my-language-d8244c817067)
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 31, 2022, 04:12:40 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on April 15, 2022, 05:58:03 pm

Non-Native people have commodified and even copy-righted Indigenous languages. They have stolen bodies of work that have belonged to tribes. I know of several instances of this personally and I am sure there are many more. If a person lacks ethics and monetizes the work they are doing for personal gain or notoriety when they are not part of that community, it's a serious issue. And ultimately, as shkodenhskwe and WIN have said, this is an Ojibwe issue and it HAS caused harm. This needs to be taken into account.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on August 31, 2022, 04:33:32 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
Post by: advancedsmite on April 16, 2022, 12:13:12 am

Margaret was interviewed multiple times about diversity in education by Urban Milwaukee. Bolding and underlining added for emphasis by me.

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It’s important that native students are taught by American Indian teachers, Noodin said, because diversity in the classroom will lead to better results overall.
“If you go to a school and you see a diverse group of teachers, you see a diverse groups of leaders in that school encouraging you to do your best, and in that group you can see yourself, you have a better chance for success,” she said.
https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2018/11/15/grant-helps-attract-native-american-teachers/ (https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2018/11/15/grant-helps-attract-native-american-teachers/)

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Margaret Noodin is the director of the Electa Quinney Institute for American Indian Education at UW-Milwaukee, which is dedicated to strengthening American Indian education at all levels. She points out that it’s also not a simple matter of numbers — the diversity of tribal populations in the state means representation goes deeper than the racial categories in the state Department of Public Instruction’s data. “We should be actually taking enough of a nuanced look to say, where are there schools where there is a high population of Native students, and are there teachers in those schools that match that population?” she said. “Frankly, if you go and get a Cherokee teacher and say ‘Yay, we solved the teaching problem, we’ve got a Cherokee teacher teaching all of these Menominee students,’ that doesn’t actually solve the problem — it’s not someone who speaks Menominee, who experienced termination, who has the knowledge of what it’s like to be Menominee.”
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Noodin pointed to the history of Native American boarding schools, which forcibly removed children from their parents and stripped them of their traditional language and culture to force them to assimilate into white society. That legacy, she said, means Native populations have unique concerns about education that may need to be addressed if schools want to cultivate a pipeline of Native teachers. “In the U.S., the federal government attempted to do harm to Native communities through education,” she said. “That’s partly why it’s been harder to get Native folks to say, ‘Yeah, I want to go to college, I want to be a teacher, I want to be a professor,’ because it’s been the way their communities have been harmed in the past.”
https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2020/06/30/k-12-teachers-dont-reflect-students-diversity/  (https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2020/06/30/k-12-teachers-dont-reflect-students-diversity/)
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 03, 2022, 09:01:59 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
Post by: educatedindian on April 16, 2022, 01:51:57 am

Quote from: fairbanks on April 15, 2022, 05:10:02 pm
Quote
Here's an interesting article about cultural appropriation within context of non-natives profiting off of learning native languages.

https://medium.com/literature-and-social-change/give-me-back-my-language-d8244c817067 (https://medium.com/literature-and-social-change/give-me-back-my-language-d8244c817067)

Nowhere does it talk about it being wrong to teach a language. Appropriation in novels and music.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 03, 2022, 09:37:20 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: educatedindian on April 16, 2022, 02:03:09 am

Quote from: shkodenhskwe on April 15, 2022, 04:34:51 pm
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I came here to politely request that you do not speak on behalf of Ojibwes if you are not one. I am one. And that is also the harm done here. Noori has spoken on behalf of our people and our language and has mined community elders to build her resume and she is not Native. Not one ounce. There are other voices that speak on behalf of themselves, and that is our way.

Thank you to everyone in this forum who has contributed.

I learn my language from my elders and my family. We absolutely do not need a non-Native person teaching our language.

Hello, I never claimed to speak for anyone else. But we can all see plenty of support for Noodin among Ojibwe, most of all from her many students and the many elders she's worked with.

Bolding above and below is mine.

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https://ojibwe.lib.umn.edu/about-ojibwe-language (https://ojibwe.lib.umn.edu/about-ojibwe-language)
The variety of Ojibwe used in the Ojibwe People's Dictionary is the Central Southwestern Ojibwe spoken in Minnesota, Wisconsin and Canadian border lakes communities. Today, it is spoken mainly by elders over the age of 70. Ethnologue reports 5,000 speakers of Southwestern Chippewa (Lewis, 2009), but a 2009 language census by language activists Keller Paap and Anton Treuer shows approximately 1,000 speakers in Minnesota and Wisconsin, with most located in the Red Lake community of Ponemah (Treuer, 2009).

The UNESCO Atlas of the World's Languages in Danger lists Ojibwe in Minnesota as “severely endangered” and defines it as a language “spoken by grandparents and older generations; while the parent generation may understand it, they do not speak it to children or among themselves,” (UNESCO, 2010).

Revitalization efforts are underway, with immersion schools operating in Minnesota and Wisconsin. Ojibwe has a growing number of second-language speakers, and the language is taught in many secondary and post-secondary classrooms throughout Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ontario.

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That's 6,000 speakers out of over 300,000 Ojibwe. Less than 2% fluent, most of them over 70.

I can't think of a single example of anyone else, outside this thread, ever saying you must be of that people to teach the language, and I don't think anyone else can either. Does anyone remember a white teacher being fired or barred from teaching Spanish, Japanese, etc?

I never heard of Dineh, Hopi, or O'odham requiring Indian Only for the language programs when I was at ASU. The CNO
doesn't do this either.

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https://anadisgoi.com/index.php/culture-stories/751-cherokee-nation-hiring-10-new-teachers-to-help-with-expansion-ofcherokee-language-program-immersion-school (https://anadisgoi.com/index.php/culture-stories/751-cherokee-nation-hiring-10-new-teachers-to-help-with-expansion-ofcherokee-language-program-immersion-school)
Cherokee Nation needs 10 certified teachers, including one who has a special education certification. Applicants are not currently required to speak Cherokee but will be trained as part of the program.

“Preserving the Cherokee language and growing the number of Cherokee speakers is critical to the Cherokee Nation’s future,” Cherokee Nation Principal Chief Chuck Hoskin Jr. said. “This will continue to be our priority, which is why I recently announced that we will create a second Cherokee language immersion school under the umbrella of the Cherokee Language Department. To help with these language preservation and perpetuation efforts, we need to hire new teachers who can help us achieve our goals. We will provide them with all of the tools and training they need to succeed while working with our language program.”

Many of the tribe’s current state-certified teaching staff are at or near the age of retirement, so the new teachers will help fill the gaps being left by those who are retiring, as well as fill the new jobs being created by expansion of the Cherokee language program.

“Education is such a critical component of our mission to not only save our beautiful Cherokee language, but to create an environment where the language grows into the daily lives of Cherokee society once again,” Deputy Chief Bryan Warner said. “We can and will accomplish this goal, and we’ll start by bringing in teachers who are committed to helping shape the minds of young Cherokees. These certified teaching careers are great opportunities for our educators.”

Those hired by the Cherokee Nation will go through approximately 30 months of training including 24 continuous months of Cherokee language learning within the Cherokee Language Master Apprentice Program, along with six months of immersion school teaching methodology training and the study of other successful immersion school systems.

“We are asking anyone with the right heart and who are certified teachers to enlist with us to save our language,” Cherokee Nation Language Department Executive Director Howard Paden said. “Whoever applies will be asked to develop with us so they can become a more efficient Cherokee teacher. That way, we can do everything together, in unity, to preserve our Cherokee language. If anyone out there feels like they have the heart to get this accomplished, please apply today or reach out to us in the Cherokee Language Department and ask questions.”
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 03, 2022, 09:48:38 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
Post by: fairbanks on April 16, 2022, 04:17:08 pm

Quote from: educatedindian on April 16, 2022, 01:51:57 am
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Quote from: fairbanks on April 15, 2022, 05:10:02 pm
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Here's an interesting article about cultural appropriation within context of non-natives profiting off of learning native languages.

https://medium.com/literature-and-social-change/give-me-back-my-language-d8244c817067 (https://medium.com/literature-and-social-change/give-me-back-my-language-d8244c817067)

Nowhere does it talk about it being wrong to teach a language. Appropriation in novels and music.

That wasn't my point, nor the articles point. The point is that Noodin has profited off of Anishinaabemowin by selling a bunch of books, all while claiming a false Ojibwe identity.

As far as the idea that non-natives are needed to teach endangered native languages - I really disagree with your comparison of Spanish (a colonial language) being taught by Gringos. Also, the idea that it's inevitable that non-natives will be teaching native languages for the foreseeable future (maybe true in higher education spaces). I think it's potentially problematic because it can perpetuate and reinforce the historical minimization and erasure of more-than qualified natives who can teach but intentionally aren't picked by the colonial academic complex.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 05, 2022, 03:19:08 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on April 16, 2022, 07:03:40 pm


Quote
https://anadisgoi.com/index.php/culture-stories/751-cherokee-nation-hiring-10-new-teachers-to-help-with-expansion-of-cherokee-language-program-immersionschool (https://anadisgoi.com/index.php/culture-stories/751-cherokee-nation-hiring-10-new-teachers-to-help-with-expansion-of-cherokee-language-program-immersionschool)

Cherokee Nation needs 10 certified teachers, including one who has a special education certification. Applicants are not currently required to speak Cherokee but will be trained as part of the program.

“Preserving the Cherokee language and growing the number of Cherokee speakers is critical to the Cherokee Nation’s future,” Cherokee Nation Principal Chief Chuck Hoskin Jr. said. “This will continue to be our priority, which is why I recently announced that we will create a second Cherokee language immersion school under the umbrella of the Cherokee Language Department. To help with these language preservation and perpetuation efforts, we need to hire new teachers who can help us achieve our goals. We will provide them with all of the tools and training they need to succeed while working with our language program.”

Many of the tribe’s current state-certified teaching staff are at or near the age of retirement, so the new teachers will help fill the gaps being left by those who are retiring, as well as fill the new jobs being created by expansion of the Cherokee language program.

“Education is such a critical component of our mission to not only save our beautiful Cherokee language, but to create an environment where the language grows into the daily lives of Cherokee society once again,” Deputy Chief Bryan Warner said. “We can and will accomplish this goal, and we’ll start by bringing in teachers who are committed to helping shape the minds of young Cherokees. These certified teaching careers are great opportunities for our educators.”

Those hired by the Cherokee Nation will go through approximately 30 months of training including 24 continuous months of Cherokee language learning within the Cherokee Language Master Apprentice Program, along with six months of immersion school teaching methodology training and the study of other successful immersion school systems.

“We are asking anyone with the right heart and who are certified teachers to enlist with us to save our language,” Cherokee Nation Language Department Executive Director Howard Paden said. “Whoever applies will be asked to develop with us so they can become a more efficient Cherokee teacher. That way, we can do everything together, in unity, to preserve our Cherokee language. If anyone out there feels like they have the heart to get this accomplished, please apply today or reach out to us in the Cherokee Language Department and ask questions.”

This is about immersion school. I feel that immersion schools are the best way to target language reclaimation. There are a good number of immersion schools and summer programs in community in the US and Canada. Even the Minneapolis Public School System has Anishinabe Academy.

The issue with Margaret is her dishonesty that goes beyond just a couple of faux pas. There is a considerable time line of her eluding to or claiming to be Ojibwe, claiming her family is enrolled, claiming to be Eastern Metis (!!!), causing Diana to run in circles regarding genealogical claims (the still not addressed non-paternity event), claims of residential school, name dropping with an enormity that I have never before seen, it makes it hard to take her 'apology' seriously because again, it reads as self-promotion and she is still holding onto the claim of unproven ancestry. I don't really care who she has studied with or hung out with. I'm glad that she had a positive effect on some of her students. This does not change any of the above. She has been deceptive and continues to be. She notes on ojibwe.net

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While I would not demand this level of detail from others, I offer the following simply to set the record straight. My ancestors’ names include: O’Donnell, Orr, Hill, Bernard, Bean, Lagunade, Lavallee and Monplaisir. My parents are Terry and Alice O’Donnell and my sister is Shannon. I have been legally married to James Benda, Jill Smith and Asmat Noori. I lived for many years with Red Elk Banks and my current partner in all things is Michael Zimmerman Jr. Asmat and I share two beautiful daughters whose heritage is even richer and more complex than my own.

She wouldn't demand this level of detail from others? This is how we introduce ourselves. Her "Positionality" statement is incredibly ego driven and ends with woe is me. If she had simply been truthful, which we have showed she has not, we wouldn't be here.

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Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 05, 2022, 03:24:17 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 16, 2022, 07:08:35 pm

I work in language preservation. As a volunteer. I have often been approached by data-mining white people, hoping to learn without the checks and balances of cultural immersion. I have always said no. I have never taken money for language work. Rather, I donate regularly to language preservation and do whatever I can to support my Elders and colleagues.

Language is the heart of a culture. It is intertwined with ceremonial life. It is sacred.

I have language preservation colleagues in communities in the Eastern Woodlands, Plains and Pacific Northwest communities who have rescinded their former openness to white students because too many white students went on to use the language to construct pretendian identities. This may not be posted on pages you can google, but all of us in the field know about this problem.

We all know what is happening right now with the Lakota and the Penobscot's struggle for data sovereignty, as well as others who are facing similar thefts, with white people stealing texts and tapes of Elders then denying the Nations access to the materials. Some of these struggles have been documented in the press. Others are only known by word of mouth among those of us in the fight. Personal integrity and honesty is not a small matter when it comes to these issues.

Even when the white thieves have not denied access to the people they stole the materials from, even if they have achieved what they call fluency, not being from the culture we have seen them change the meanings of words to those of the white overculture, as they don't think and see through the lens of the Indigenous culture the language arises from. In this way, their work with the language contributes to cultural loss.

What Noodin has done, and continues to do, may have brought some words to a particular group of students. But she gained this access under false pretenses, and continued to misrepresent herself after it is clear she knew better. Then she came here and wasted people's time and energy. As someone who has repeatedly misrepresented herself, she cannot be trusted to honestly convey culture/language.

Her exploitation and commercialization of language does not excuse her fraud, it compounds it.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 05, 2022, 04:04:13 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on April 16, 2022, 11:31:47 pm

https://turtletalk.blog/2013/01/18/native-women-language-keepers-indigenous-performance-practices-january-28th-tofebruary-1st-2013-university-of-michigan/ (https://turtletalk.blog/2013/01/18/native-women-language-keepers-indigenous-performance-practices-january-28th-tofebruary-1st-2013-university-of-michigan/)*
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~petra/langkeep.html (http://www-personal.umich.edu/~petra/langkeep.html)*

From "Native Women Language Keepers: Indigenous Performance Practices — January 28th to February 1st 2013, University of Michigan"

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In the afternoon, we end our gathering with a presentation by Margaret Noori, followed by a communal reflection on aesthetics, women and performance. 2.00-4.30, Duderstadt Center, Conference Room 1180, North Campus.

Margaret Noori (Anishinaabe) received an MFA in Creative Writing and a PhD in English and Linguistics from the University of Minnesota. She is Director of the Comprehensive Studies Program and teaches the Anishinaabe Language and American Indian Literature at the University of Michigan. She is also one of the founders of the drum group Miskwaasining Nagamojig, current President of Association for the Study of American Indian Literatures, one of the Clan Mothers who coordinate the annual Native American Literature Symposium, and member of the Anishinaabemowin-Teg Executive Board. Her book Bwaajimowin: A Dialect of Dreams in Anishinaabe Language and Literature is forthcoming from MSU Press and her poetry has recently appeared in the Michigan Quarterly Review, Sing: Poetry from the Indigenous Americas and Cell Traffic by Heid Erdrich. For more information visit www.ojibwe.net where she and her colleagues have created a space for language that is shared by academics and the native community.
She will be work-shopping a chapter from a forthcoming book on Anishinaabe narrative traditions which traces the way “oral” traditions are actually “physical” performance traditions which carry thought into space and allow us to exchange our interpretations of the world around as word which becomes stage dialogue, story, lyrics or poetry.

Contact for information and queries, contact the symposium directors, Margaret Noori and Petra Kuppers: mnoori@umich.edu and petra@umich.edu
(my bolding and italics)

And directly from her CV associated with the above -
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5523.0;attach=3966  (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5523.0;attach=3966)**

Artist in Residency Program Funding 2012
“Native Women Language Keepers: Indigenous Performance Practices”
University of Michigan Center for World Performance Studies
Noodin, Margaret with Kuppers, Petra
(Funded at $15,000)

She was calling herself a Clan Mother. A CLAN MOTHER. With no clue who her supposed people were.

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Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 05, 2022, 04:08:42 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: WINative on April 17, 2022, 08:30:37 pm

This is from the 2018 Electa Quinney US Dept of Education grant application of her staff bio's at the time. This particular white woman is someone Margaret mentored and groomed to take over Native leadership programs in the Quinney Institute and at UWM. Besides orchestrating the drum she has also ran some pseudo ceremonies for students and later claimed to be Hawaiian since she lived there.

Maurina Paradise, Administrative Manager
Ms. Paradise's cultural competence is extensive, and she is a leader in the Multicultural
Network committee and across the UWM campus sharing information about American Indians,
striving to use her privilege as a white woman and create space for the voice and visibility of the
American Indian students and staff. Ms. Paradise participates with the student drumming group
by learning to understand and sing in Arusbinabemowin; motivated, not by any requirement, but
by her own volition to learn and better understand the culture and the community she is working
with and representing. In addition to the duties directly related to EQI, Ms. Paradise is an
instructor for American Indian Studies teaching AIS 101: Introduction to American Indian
studies. Every year nearly one hundred students enroll in AIS 101 to gain a better understanding of American Indians.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 05, 2022, 04:53:19 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Smart Mule on April 18, 2022, 07:25:55 pm

https://ojs.library.carleton.ca/index.php/ALGQP/article/download/2229/2008/ (https://ojs.library.carleton.ca/index.php/ALGQP/article/download/2229/2008/)

"Originally from Minneapolis, Minnesota, I was in my forties at the time and am a second-language speaker affiliated with the
Grand Portage Band
of Chippewa Indians and Metis community of Quebec."

'Affiliated with' is very misleading. She leaves it up to the reader to determine what that means. Is she claiming her family is enrolled there like she has in the audio previously posted? Is that a community where she has friends and colleagues? And again with the eastern metis stuff. There is no such thing and as of yet she has not addressed this. What is her affiliation with this fraudulent and damaging community? Is she a member of one of their groups? Is she on a friendly basis with them? Does she go to their events? Having nothing to do with her being a faculty member, it's comments like these, that she claims to have not said, that are what concerns people. While she pseudo apologized she has not come out and said what the truth is, instead she pads her pseudo-apology with names and accomplishments instead of simply saying, I'm sorry, I was wrong, I am not these things, I should not have claimed them and I will stop claiming them, please forgive me. That's all that needed to be said rather than the egoboo that I don't think she realizes she is putting out there. Padding her pseudo-apology is something that has really angered people and made them even more distrustful of her.

Language protection and revitalization is critical to decolonizing and maintaining who a Peoples are and who they can be in the future. This should be Indigenous led. I am not saying there is no room for allies and cohorts in the field I simply do not think they should be leading and I do not believe I am in the minority in that belief.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 06, 2022, 05:13:22 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
Post by: educatedindian on April 19, 2022, 08:30:51 pm

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Quote from: fairbanks on April 16, 2022, 04:17:08 pm

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Quote from: educatedindian on April 16, 2022, 01:51:57 am

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Quote from: fairbanks on April 15, 2022, 05:10:02 pm

Here's an interesting article about cultural appropriation within context of non-natives profiting off of learning native languages.

https://medium.com/literature-and-social-change/give-me-back-my-language-d8244c817067 (https://medium.com/literature-and-social-change/give-me-back-my-language-d8244c817067)

Nowhere does it talk about it being wrong to teach a language. Appropriation in novels and music.

That wasn't my point, nor the articles point. The point is that Noodin has profited off of Anishinaabemowin by selling a bunch of books, all while claiming a false Ojibwe identity.

As far as the idea that non-natives are needed to teach endangered native languages - I really disagree with your comparison of Spanish (a colonial language) being taught by Gringos. Also, the idea that it's inevitable that non-natives will be teaching native languages for the foreseeable future (maybe true in higher education spaces). I think it's potentially problematic because it can perpetuate and reinforce the historical minimization and erasure of more-than qualified nativeswho can teach but intentionally aren't picked by the colonial academic complex.

If you think academics make a lot from publishing, that's strange. Almost all academic books sell less than a few hundred. Noodin did send an email saying she's giving away all remaining books so she won't make even that small couple hundred dollars in profit.

Did you read my post above? The CNO has a hard time finding Cherokee teachers for their schools. So much that they are willing to train non Cherokee, literally begging anyone willing.

Academia has worked pretty hard to decolonize itself, some places more successfully than others. About the only places with enough money to really make it a complex are the elite schools, Ivy League places, and the racism there can be pretty strong, like Harvard having open white supremacists on faculty.

A public university that's built a relationship wth local communities for half a century, like my old school ASU, isn't colonial. There's dozens of NDN faculty. And one like my school where there literally is no budget anymore to allow a prof to make copies of the syllabus isn't a complex.

Much of this thread has long been a debate not about Noodin, but about unnamed others we really should start threads on. There has yet to be anyone showing she ever got a job, grant, or anything else from her claim except her choosing to believe, against all evidence now, the family story of being a descendant.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 06, 2022, 05:58:57 pm
Contains response from Margaret Noodin

Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: educatedindian on April 19, 2022, 08:49:41 pm

Quote from: WINative on April 17, 2022, 08:30:37 pm
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This is from the 2018 Electa Quinney US Dept of Education grant application of her staff bio's at the time. This particular white woman is someone Margaret mentored and groomed to take over Native leadership programs in the Quinney Institute and at UWM. Besides orchestrating the drum she has also ran some pseudo ceremonies for students and later claimed to be Hawaiian since she lived there.

Maurina Paradise, Administrative Manager
Ms. Paradise's cultural competence is extensive, and she is a leader in the Multicultural
Network committee and across the UWM campus sharing information about American Indians,
striving to use her privilege as a white woman and create space for the voice and visibility of the
American Indian students and staff. Ms. Paradise participates with the student drumming group
by learning to understand and sing in Arusbinabemowin; motivated, not by any requirement, but
by her own volition to learn and better understand the culture and the community she is working
with and representing. In addition to the duties directly related to EQI, Ms. Paradise is an
instructor for American Indian Studies teaching AIS 101: Introduction to American Indian
studies. Every year nearly one hundred students enroll in AIS 101 to gain a better understanding of American Indians.

If you have evidence of faux ceremony and posing as Hawaiian, let's see it. In a separate thread. I took a look online and didn't see any sign of either. Ironically, a review of her on Rate My Prof says "She has no respect for Western civ for as much as she bashes it."

Noodin sent this response to your claims. Bolding is mine.
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Maurina Paradise was hired by David Beaulieu (White Earth Ojibwe) prior to my being in the position. During my time her role has been reduced from 100% in the Electa Quinney Institute (EQI) to 20% and is focused on accounting. It does not take much googling to see that currently the person in charge of the Dept of Education – Bureau of Indian Affairs Teacher Training Grants is Sommer Drake (Oneida) https://uwm.edu/eqi/people/drakesommer/ (https://uwm.edu/eqi/people/drakesommer/)* https://web.archive.org/web/20220512231721/https://uwm.edu/eqi/people/drake-sommer/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20220512231721/https://uwm.edu/eqi/people/drake-sommer/)*. I have also twice hired local elders to work in EQI.

Previously Winifred Nahwahquaw (Menominee) served in the role https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igJ_iZ_6HLMand (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igJ_iZ_6HLMand) and
currently Vern Altiman (Miami / Anishinaabe) serves in this role https://uwm.edu/eqi/people/altiman-mishiikenh-vernon/ (https://uwm.edu/eqi/people/altiman-mishiikenh-vernon/). AIS 101: Introduction to American Indian Studies is predominantly taught by Mike Wilson (Choctaw)
https://catalog.uwm.edu/course-search/?keyword=AIS&srcdb=2222 and https://uwm.edu/american-indian-studies/ourpeople/ (https://uwm.edu/american-indian-studies/ourpeople/)** https://web.archive.org/web/20211020004159/https://uwm.edu/american-indian-studies/our-people/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20211020004159/https://uwm.edu/american-indian-studies/our-people/)**. Maurina taught it while he was on sabbatical one year but it is easy to confirm that he has returned to teaching the course and has taught it more frequently than any other faculty.

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Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 06, 2022, 06:08:01 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: WINative on April 19, 2022, 09:03:00 pm

It looks like Angela Mesic another non-Native woman has been placed in the roles instead of the aforementioned. '

https://uwm.edu/eqi/people/mesic-angela/ (https://uwm.edu/eqi/people/mesic-angela/)

Indigenous Languages Project Manager & Administrative Specialist
Angela's role provides significant support to the Director and the Electa Quinney Institute. Angela oversees a wide range of
projects that include:

managing archival projects
handling curricular queries from internal and external partners
organizing and running the 10-day residential camp, American Indian Science Scholar Program in partnership with NARCH
handling administrative and accounting details
In addition to being the project manager of EQI, Angela is an Associate Lecturer in American Indian Studies serving as the
primary instructor for the first year Anishinaabemowin courses. She has co-translated multiple books including

Gidagaashiinh (Little You)
Nijiikendam (My Heart Fills With Happiness)
Gimanaadenim (You Hold Me Up)
Ogimaans (The Little Prince)

Angela completed her B.A. in psychology at UW-Milwaukee and is currently enrolled in the M.S. program in community
psychology at Alverno College. Using her knowledge about the field of psychology she works to disseminate the pedagogical
best-practices for second language acquisition to other institutions and tribal communities. Angela is a very student-centered
member of the EQI team and has often assisted individual students or worked to make improvements to the system on
campus to contribute to their completion of degrees.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 06, 2022, 06:18:05 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: MilkyWayKwe on April 20, 2022, 02:27:17 am

Hi, I've read through this. As Ojibwe who thought Margaret was Anishinaabe, I was surprised to learn she is not. A lot of excellent and thorough work has been done by some of the contributors of this thread, to find out her genealogy. It says a lot that Margaret has not been one of those people who felt compelled to do that labour herself, or hire someone, to find out her ancestry at any point in her journey or, more recently, as a way to put this matter to rest. This says something about her will to address it with integrity, if not for herself and the people who love her than for Ojibwe people more broadly.

I understand, based on what I've read here, that Margaret has no native ancestry, Ojibwe or otherwise. As I've read through here, I see that she has some championing her. If you are not Ojibwe, why are you championing her? What’s in it for you? Also, if you want to support her, support her to own who she truly is--a white, non-Native lady. Help her to take responsibility for posing as Anishinaabe for years, and gleaning the benefits of that, based on a thread of a family story that she chose not to verify. Encourage her to speak for herself, account for herself (and her children who seem to have plenty of access to Anishinaabe peoples and lifeways even as it seems they are not Ojibwe through either Margaret or their father themselves), and to take questions from Ojibwe who have questions for her.

To me, someone who means no ill will, who sees the errors of their ways, and who loves Ojibwe peoples, would step forth and be accountable to the people. They would not let Elders or students or colleagues or anyone speak for them. They would speak for themselves. As so many contributors here have noted, she is, in myriad ways, disavowing herself of true responsibility, and I would even say, making "moves to innocence" (Tuck and Yang, Decolonization is not a Metaphor), in the face of being revealed.

It seems she has little intention in walking in her path as the non-Native person she is. It seems she’s ok to present to the world in neutral ways now as per her bios on Electa and Ojibwe.net, which are majorly whitewashed versions of previous bios. Why don’t other people associated with her on Ojibwe.net name their Anishinaabe identity? Would it make her look like the white woman she is? Do Anishinaabe she works with have to now keep their Anishinaabe-ness of their profiles because she has to?

This said, it seems she still walks in certain spaces as Anishinaabe>> someone shared with me over the weekend that she was dressed in regalia at a pow wow. Many have posted links here and there about her fluctuating identity and claims. In some sites, she has also identified herself by the Pine Marten clan and in another, by an Anishinaabe name Giiwedinoodin. Anishinaabe clans and names MEAN something. You don’t just discard them. Why has she? Who gave her this name and this clan? What do they say about all this?

I am curious how she got her last name. (Sorry I may have missed it in the previous pages.) Where does "Noodin" as a last name come from? If not through family or marriage, where does it come from and why Noodin? Someone here has suggested she has not benefited from her claims to be Anishinaabe. I find that hard to understand when her whole career is based on it, seemingly including her last name which she publishes and obtains grants under.

Someone also suggested it's time to move this thread to the Fraud section and another to the "Matter Closed" section. As Ojibwe who feels deceived by her, and who has heard that others are grappling with this, and as someone who thinks it's pretty pathetic that she would allow people to labour around her in such ways, doing her genealogical research for her, struggling to navigate this with integrity around her so as not to cause harm, hearing her out and engaging with her, and doing immense amounts of research all while she seemingly performs innocence and still walks as Anishinaabe (at a pow wow anyway), I would like to see this moved to the Fraud section until she truly makes this right with Ojibwe and allows herself to be questioned and provides answers.

I would like her to name her positionality clearly in all her bios (e.g. as white, as settler, as non-Anishinaabe, American--whatever) including Ojibwe.net instead of hiding behind aestheticized professional ones. I would like to see the public profiles of the Anishinaabe people she works with naming their Anishinaabe-ness so as to demonstrate they are not being told to hide it to help her image. She had no problem propping up her bios as Anishinaabe, why can’t she prop up her whiteness and nonIndigenous identity?

I would like her to share how many grants she applied for over the years as Anishinaabe. How many students worked with her thinking she was Anishinaabe? Has she asked? How many gigs has she got with people thinking she was Anishinaabe? Has she asked? In her previous to last Electa bio, she opened by stepping into the fray of identity fraud and race-shifting (which I found to be manipulative and indicative of her intelligence as a PhD familiar with broader academic discourses) but not once has she said how her failures to do her genealogical work, or hire someone, and instead float around on a slip of a story has been harmful.

While I’m glad she changed that bio, it doesn’t change the fact that she doesn’t seem to really get the harm of claiming an identity without doing the research to back up a slight story. She doesn’t do the work of naming the harms of identity fraud and race-shifting she identified earlier. This matter, for me, is not closed and I don’t think non-Ojibwe get to say when it is. It won't be closed until Margaret speaks for herself, and answers all the questions people have, stops letting our Elders and whomever else loves her be a crutch for her, and starts acting with integrity. I think there is a way to resolve this but the way she and her supporters are going about it undermines Ojibwe ways and people. The way back into good relationships, relationships with integrity is with hard work and humility; not by claiming innocence or letting Elders and youth protect you.

Thank-you for this difficult work. Thank-you for reading my words.


[Just broke into paragraphs for readabiity. No words changed.-Al]
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 06, 2022, 06:59:48 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: advancedsmite on April 20, 2022, 07:02:22 pm

The name change petition was filed in Washtenaw County on 3/4/2013. A hearing occurred on 4/30/2013 when the petition to change from “Noori” to “Noodin” was granted by a Washtenaw County Court judge. The final judgement was issued on 5/3/2013. It is a public record and can be looked up at Washtenaw County Court – 22nd Circuit Court.

I’ve found an interview where Margaret addresses the name change. Margaret Noodin on Riprap: Anishinaabeg Studies
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH6Zt-UEhE4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH6Zt-UEhE4)

Prior to where I began transcribing, Margaret says that she associates the wind with home. Transcription starts at 28:40.
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For me, I for a long time have been called Giiwedinoodin in Anishinaabemowin and had recently had - you can see from the cover some of my other colleagues had changed their last names to kind of reclaim Anishinaabemowin. So, I recently did the same thing before doing more writing and had talked it over with my dad who thought it was just a fun idea and a way to express something different about the place.

Some other highlights from the interview:
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6:00 This group of people - is really a number of authors - who we were lucky enough to grow-up sort-of during and study after AIM. Which you can argue all kinds of politics about the merits of and trials and challenges of the AIM movement but certainly our Civil Rights struggles in the 70s made it possible for us to study our language, to write about our language. The Native Languages Act in the mid-90s made it possible for this to even happen. I grew up in Minneapolis, so we saw this happen. I think a lot of us feel like we got a chance to do something our parents and definitely our grandparents couldn’t do.
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18:10 There’s two things on that. I think one is its particularly divisive and difficult that the missionaries, truth be told, were a big part of it. So, the very Jesuits who on one hand were attempting to share an understanding of something profound and meaningful and based on love and such a part of well-being that when - that had an edge of like you say “language genocide” or “linguicide” or whatever people want to call it - was particularly bad. You know. So, if you’re gonna go to battle, go to battle on a battlefield knowing you go to battle - that’s one thing. But to go and worship and find out that instead you’re at battle I think that’s particularly hard. I think that the legacy that it also leaves us in terms of education is particularly difficult, so our very best speakers are often the least prepared to do things like maneuver into book contracts and figure out how to earn equality in the academy. So, it’s always balancing people that have a difficult, terrible experience in education and pulling them into that arena again. So, hopefully rebuild it a different way which is a challenge. We hope enough of our language stays with us that the next generation will not have the same problems. You know. We hopefully see it get better the next generation.

A few other potentially note-worthy moments that I didn’t transcribe:
21:25 - Discusses being Martin clan
23:00 - Talks about good versus bad elders

Did Margaret know her family lore was false? If so, when?
- I am incredibly skeptical that Margaret's parents and grandparents are responsible for her claims. Is there proof that Margaret is simply an innocent victim of grandparents that weren't truthful? At this point, I haven't found anything to suggest other family members have claimed Native American ancestry. Also, in my experience, Minnesota is NOT like the southern United States as it relates to family lore of Native American ancestors. There are many historical reasons why it hasn't been a common thing in the upper mid-west. I do think we will see false claims based on family lore become more common in future generations though. A few other fakes have blamed family lore when questioned about inconsistencies, but their family members have disagreed.
- In an earlier comment on this thread, Diana mentioned finding an account "Montplaisir" on Find a Grave that seemed like it could belong to Margaret. The Find a Grave account was started in 2013. Diana's post confirmed the validity of my suspicions about an Ancestry.com account "montplaisir" which was started October 17, 2007. The tree is private but was set to be visible in searches. If the account doesn't belong to Margaret, it would have to be a close relative - just like the Find a Grave account. It is very interesting that the Ancestry.com account was started in late-2007. At that time, a university in Michigan had a faculty member beset by rumors of fraudulent ancestry claims. It is unlikely that Margaret would not have known about the rumors. Coincidence? Maybe.

Regalia
Margaret danced, drummed, and sang at the George Floyd Memorial in 2020. I think more articles and news stories are out there. There are pictures on Twitter, as well.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/milwaukee/2020/07/08/indigenous-people-show-support-black-lives-mattermilwaukee/5365952002/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/milwaukee/2020/07/08/indigenous-people-show-support-black-lives-mattermilwaukee/5365952002/)

MilkyWayKwe - Your feelings are valid. Seeing Margaret in regalia, her lying badly about family "Indian school" stories, seeing her use of the words "our" "we" and "us" while talking about Ojibwe history is upsetting.

Frauds in academia are a significant threat to the Ojibwe long-term. Their books will be used as an example of us 100 years from now. It doesn't matter whether someone lies intentionally or carelessly believes family lore. Both are red flags for someone's ability to uphold the academic integrity of an institution. Margaret's work gained credibility through her false claims to be Anishinaabe, Ojibwe, Minnesota Chippewa, Grand Portage, Mille Lacs, Metis, and Eastern Metis.

There are Cherokee genealogy groups that research around 20 claims a day for free. The hope is that education will minimize false claims of Cherokee identity. One of Margaret's posts in this forum sounded exactly like something you would read in one of the Cherokee genealogy groups. What is the difference between Margaret and the Cherokee genealogy group participants? The majority of the Cherokee genealogy group participants appear to have limited education. Margaret has a PhD with an extensive knowledge of the Ojibwe language, culture, and history (obviously, as evidence has shown, that knowledge is not based on lived experience). She knows/knew Ojibwe elders and participated in important cultural activities which she greatly emphasized to us. BUT - if Margaret knows that much about the Ojibwe shouldn't she know that it isn't okay to even claim descent based on family lore? Yes. Margaret should have known it was wrong, and I believe that Margaret knew exactly what she was doing and that it was wrong. She has contributed chapters to books that contain content on damage done by fakes, discussed it in interviews, and attended conferences where it’s a topic. Margaret attended the 2017 Native American Literature Symposium. Her name appears in the program 7 times. She is listed on page 1 as one of the independent scholars that organizes the event. Her name appears on page 8 right before the Statement on Ethnic Fraud which is on page 9.
https://nativelitsite.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/april-2017-print-program.pdf (https://nativelitsite.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/april-2017-print-program.pdf)

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The Native American Literature Symposium supports the Indigenous Professors Association Statement on Ethnic Fraud
“We the Indigenous Professors Association hereby establish and present our position on ethnic fraud and offer recommendations to ensure the accuracy of American Indian/Alaska Native identification in American colleges and universities. This statement is developed over concern about the racial exploitation of American Indians and Alaska Natives in American colleges and universities. We think it is necessary to establish our position on ethnic fraud because of documented incidents of abuse.
This statement is intended to assist universities in their efforts to develop culturally diverse campus communities. The implications of this statement are threefold: 1) to assist in the selection process that encourages diversity among students, staff, faculty, and administration; 2) to uphold the integrity of institutions and enhance their credibility with American Indian/Alaska Nations/Tribes; and 3) to recognize the importance of American Indian/Alaska Native Nations/Tribes in upholding their sovereign and legal right as nations to determine membership. The following prioritized recommendations are intended to affirm and ensure American Indian/ Alaska Native identity in the hiring process.
We are asking that colleges and universities 1) Require documentation of enrollment in a state or federally recognized nation/tribe with preference given to those who meet this criterion; 2) Establish a case-by-case review process for those unable to meet the first criterion; 3) Include American Indian/Alaska Native faculty in the selection process; 4) Require a statement from the applicant that demonstrates past and future commitment to American Indian/Alaska Native concerns; 5) Require higher education administrators to attend workshops on tribal sovereignty and meetings with local tribal officials; and 6) Advertise vacancies at all levels and on a broad scale and in tribal publications.

Margaret's cringeworthy need to possess our (Ojibwe) identity as her own (and to make sure everyone knows it) manifests in every interview and article. She talks about the need to guard against the world trying to silence and erase "us" below.
https://prerequisites.libsyn.com/gordon-henry-leanne-howe-margaret-noodin-kimberly-blaeser (https://prerequisites.libsyn.com/gordon-henry-leanne-howe-margaret-noodin-kimberly-blaeser)
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Margaret Noodin: I think of those way before us who negotiated becoming citizens and participating in America in all the various complicated, difficult ways that we do that. Many of us here – I mean all of us are academics here and the way that you be in these worlds that sometimes still shut you down is interesting. I mean just recently I had a poem that I was not aware anyone would find or use and the New York Times published it and Naomi Shihab Nye had chosen it. Which is a huge honor and amazing. I mean just to think that Naomi would pick up something of mine and read it was incredible. But it was published only in English and it had been written in Anishinaabemowin and it sounds so much more beautiful in Anishinaabemowin. I was kind of embarrassed that the English was published that way because it felt like somehow now the poem got out in the world a little bit naked, a little bit half. I had made a sculpture, and someone cut the head off. You know? So, I think we really have to guard against the ways that the world around us will still try to silence us. And in trying to honor us erase part of who we are.

*During reconstruction of the original thread, advancedsmite was unable to upload PNG files of the original post. Received security error from NAFPS. "An Error Has Occurred! Your attachment has failed security checks and cannot be uploaded. Please consult the forum administrator." Please reference Sparks' post from 8/28/2022 on this thread which includes a full PDF version of the original thread.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 06, 2022, 07:08:41 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin Ojibwe Professor
Post by: fairbanks on April 20, 2022, 09:11:52 pm

Quote from: educatedindian on April 19, 2022, 08:30:51 pm
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If you think academics make a lot from publishing, that's strange. Almost all academic books sell less than a few hundred. Noodin did send an email saying she's giving away all remaining books so she won't make even that small couple hundred dollars in profit.

Did you read my post above? The CNO has a hard time finding Cherokee teachers for their schools. So much that they are willing to train non Cherokee, literally begging anyone willing.

Academia has worked pretty hard to decolonize itself, some places more successfully than others. About the only places with enough money to really make it a complex are the elite schools, Ivy League places, and the racism there can be pretty strong, like Harvard having open white supremacists on faculty.

A public university that's built a relationship wth local communities for half a century, like my old school ASU, isn't colonial. There's dozens of NDN faculty. And one like my school where there literally is no budget anymore to allow a prof to make copies of the syllabus isn't a complex.

Much of this thread has long been a debate not about Noodin, but about unnamed others we really should start threads on. There has yet to be anyone showing she ever got a job, grant, or anything else from her claim except her choosing to believe, against all evidence now, the family story of being a descendant.

I never wrote nor do I think that academics make a lot publishing. It's not about the amount of money being made. It's about the principle, which is why it sounds like she's doing the right thing ending whatever profit she's making.

I did read your post about the Cherokee language teachers need. Not sure how helpful that is in this specific situation. Again, my issue isn't so much with whether or not non-natives teach native languages. I do feel it is an issue when non-natives are teaching and present as native and then get outed and caught up in the way Noodin has here. Should she continue teaching right now in such an elevated position as she was? I don't know about that.. Just because language teachers are needed in general, doesn't mean they get a pass in my opinion.

As far as the academic complex goes. I consider all colleges to be a part of that - not just the Ivy League. I agree that there have been some great strides made to decolonize within the academy, but it seems a lot of those changes aren't that deep. Just like any colonial institution that's been talking about decolonizing or diversifying etc. Just having more native faculty or a relationship with local community doesn't seem to be enough in my book. I don't see enough land based education efforts. If you have a native teacher that's essentially forced to teach within the structure of the system then I think there's a lot more work to do.

Finally when it comes to evidence that she ever got a job, grant, or anything else from her previously held identity, I highly doubt anyone could prove any of that here. Doesn't mean it didn't happen in one way shape or form though. I think that would be something she can take accountability for. It might help in making amends in a good way. Her positionality statement really did read like a settler move to innocence honestly in my admittedly bias mind.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 07, 2022, 12:07:37 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: educatedindian on April 22, 2022, 03:13:21 pm

Quote from: MilkyWayKwe on April 20, 2022, 02:27:17 am
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I would like her to share how many grants she applied for over the years as Anishinaabe. How many students worked with her thinking she was Anishinaabe? Has she asked? How many gigs has she got with people thinking she was Anishinaabe? Has she asked? In her previous to last Electa bio, she opened by stepping into the fray of identity fraud and race-shifting (which I found to be manipulative and indicative of her intelligence as a PhD familiar with broader academic discourses) but not once has she said how her failures to do her genealogical work, or hire someone, and instead float around on a slip of a story has been harmful.

This was answered before. Neither she nor anyone else was ever awarded grants or jobs based on race, nation, or ethnicity. Been illegal since the 70s. She got her job and grants based on speaking the language.

I agree she should have done her genealogy long ago. Over here in Virginia, there are a lot of whites with family stories thanks to Pocahontas myths. My experience is that even when given evidence the stories aren't true, some refuse to believe them. One semester, I offered students the choice to do an essay after taking a DNA test. In one case, even negative test results weren't enough to change their minds. But as a professor she should know better.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 07, 2022, 12:21:42 am
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: kaeqcekam on April 22, 2022, 07:52:25 pm

Posoh. I am not going to refer to the subject of this discussion but the surname she chose because she thought it would be ‘fun’. I will refer to her as Margaret. There seems to be some sort of disconnect regarding her position in the academy and her lies. While Margaret’s lies may not have been how she initially accessed her place in academia, her lies gained her access to speakers and community that she would not have gained so quickly had she been honest. How do I know?

Christine K. Lemley gained access to my community through John H. Teller, a highly respected member of my Nation. It took a long time for John to agree to mentor Christine and even longer for the Menominee community to feel comfortable around her let alone accept her. Christine first visited our rez when John was teaching the language in our high school. He began to introduce her to tribal members, and he taught her the proper way to conduct herself before even requesting to interact. It took her six years to build up a good rapport. Her time with my people was entirely based on what she could give back, not what she could take. She didn’t create a false identity; she didn’t run around in regalia or crate a drum group. She did not center herself, she centered the Menominee. My community was hard on her, but she stuck it out and remained accountable to the tribe every step of the way. She is now a Professor at NAU Flagstaff and we love and miss her. That is how one should immerse themselves in order to help a Peoples to reclaim their language. You don’t need to lie, you don’t need to be the great white hope either. You just need to get to know the People in a good and honest way even though it can take a considerable amount of time.

Margaret did not do this. She makes it quite clear that she rushed in with her blood myth, which she refuses to let go of. While she may be a good professor, she is not a good anishinaabekwe. She’s either told people she is Ojibwe or willingly allowed them to come to that conclusion without correction. In doing this she has misled her students and hurt the elders she has worked with. In misleading her students, maybe she is not such a good professor. They clearly did not get the experience they thought they had. I feel sorry for them, especially the ones coming to her defense. How many of her students, with similar blood myths, did she encourage to lie, though maybe not in so many words? Is that part of her academic legacy? How do Margaret’s long standing lies align with WSUM’s code of conduct? Are there penalties?

As to the academy, it past time to decolonize. I do understand that academics has diversified but that does not mean it has decolonized. Hiring Native people and tossing in a land acknowledgement is not decolonization. We should be able to have control of our departments. We should absolutely be the ones deciding on curriculum and content. No matter how experienced a non-Native academic may think they are, they cannot and will not have our lived experience, that is not something that can be translated, or book learned or picked up after spending some time on the rez. Students are done a disservice when they do not learn about our experiences from us. There needs to be legislation change as a part of the reconciliation process so that we have capitol control over Indigenous Knowledge, our stories and our history. Decolonizing the academy means respecting the self determination and sovereignty of Indigenous communities. It means enough with the colonialism and imperialism associated with higher education.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 07, 2022, 05:03:08 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 22, 2022, 07:58:03 pm

Thank you for making these vital points, kaeqcekam, and welcome.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 07, 2022, 05:22:29 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: WINative on April 22, 2022, 09:15:09 pm

This was posted yesterday on Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/OsherLifelongLearningInstituteAtUMich/ (https://www.facebook.com/OsherLifelongLearningInstituteAtUMich/)

*Upcoming*
Thursday Morning Lecture Series: Native Americans of the Great Lakes Region: Lessons of the Land in Indigenous Languages
of the Great Lakes
When: Thursday, 4/28/2022 from 10:00 - 11:30am EST
Fee: $10.00
Speaker: Margaret Noodin, PhD
This talk will introduce the indigenous view of Great Lakes history through indigenous languages that have been spoken for
millennia in the region. These languages have shaped the ways that speakers experience and express their place in nature,
their spiritual beliefs, and their relationships to other human and non-human beings. The loss of traditional languages through
intentional erasure and forced assimilation has had profound impacts on individual identities and indigenous cultures.
Professor Noodin, who is of Anishinaabe descent, is an American poet and Professor of English and American Indian Studies at
the University of Wisconsin—Milwaukee where she also serves as Associate Dean of Humanities. She is the director of the
Electa Quinney Institute for American Indian Education and is the editor of objiwe.net. Professor Noodin is the author of two
collections of bilingual poetry in Anishinaabemowin and English. She received an MFA in Creative Writing and a PhD in English
and Linguistics from the University of Minnesota. At the University of Michigan she served as Director of Comprehensive
Studies. With her daughters, both U of Michigan students, she belongs to a women’s hand drum group which sings in
Anishinaabemowin.
To register, first sign into the OLLI website with your email and password and then head to the Course Catalog.*
Please reach out to the OLLI-UM office if you have any questions or require assistance, 734-998-9351 or olli.info@umich.edu

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Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 07, 2022, 05:36:48 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: kaeqcekam on April 23, 2022, 12:27:20 am

Quote from: educatedindian on April 15, 2022, 12:05:59 am
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You've been part of NAFPS for years and you realize who we usually go after. She's not a cult leader, didn't abuse anyone, didn't spread falsehoods about Native traditions. There's zero evidence of harming anyone. Just the opposite, her being forced to step down harms Ojibwes by taking away a language teacher.

She abused a lot of people, how can you not see that? She lied to her students, she lied to elders, she lied to communities, she taught drum making - supposedly by permission from unmentioned elders who were under the assumption that she was Native, she has taken up space in the media that could have gone to actual Natives, she is teaching students with blood myths to lie by example, she led ceremony at a George Floyd memorial, she has a drum group that performs. All of this is abusive and harmful. It's settler colonial bullshit and if you can't see it there is an issue.

She hasn't stepped down to the best of my knowledge. I asked a friend who attends UWM and it's business as usual.

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You're certainly right that it's far better to have someone who grew up speaking the language teaching it instead of someone who learned it as an adult. But that's just not possible for more than a few NDN tribes in the US or Canada.

While this is true for many tribes it is not true for all. For those who are white and teaching NDN languages it is imperative that they are honest about who they are. Leave the blood myth Indian princess crap at home, it does not belong in the academy.

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I'm writing this paragraph for any outsiders reading this since I know you know it all too well. Boarding schools came damn close to killing Native languages, reduced the speakers to sometimes a few dozen people out of thousands. Even the larger groups like Dineh and Cherokee struggle to hold onto the language. Non Natives often teaching the language is going to be a reality for the near future, for the same reasons the Spanish teachers in Iowa high schools probably won't be Latinos.

You're not quite accurate about the Cherokee. There are, as I am sure you know, three bands. UKB has a fluency rate of 60%. EBCI's Kituwah Preservation and Education Program is made up entirely of Native people.

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Noodin is someone who took the family stories of ancestry at face value without checking them. This is something she shouldn't have done, but there was no intent to harm and no benefit to her.

There may have been no intent to harm be she did harm as I outlined above. It most certainly did benefit, she gained access to ceremony, led ceremony, had access to community activities, she has a drum group, she jingle dances. Many of these things she would not have had access to if she had been honest.

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Calling herself Ojibwe several times so far that we know of instead of "I believe myself to be a descendant" was wrong. But it wasn't systematic, and likely came from her thinking at that moment, "I'm part of the community, and I believe what my family said." She has apologized here and can and should correct her mistakes.

She has called herself Ojibwe and Anishinaabe. She has linked herself to specific communities. She has claimed decendancy not that she believes herself to be a descendant. She has made it factual when it is not. Her apology was full of white tears and self-aggrandizement. She still will not let go of the fantasy that she is in fact an Ojibwe descendant when it has been proven she is not.

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It also has to be a hard experience for her to go through. All her life she believed herself to be a descendant and made it her career to learn the language fluently, doing a lot of good because she also thought she was getting in touch with her roots. And she can and should take pride in the good she's done, just has to relearn to think of herself as an ally and community friend.

Well this sounds like coddling. How do you know she believed this all her life? Is that what she told you? Allies do not do what she has done, she has a lot of work to do to make amends for her deceptions. While she may have given to the greater Anishinaabe community with her work in language she needs to make amends directly with the people she deceived, particularly with mentors, elders and community leaders that are still living. She need to own, verbally and in writing, that at best she is not Native, not Ojibwe, not Metis, nor is she a descendant - that she was simply going by stories she had been told by previous generations for whatever reason. She needs to discontinue any familial connections because they simply aren't there.

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WIN, you know what we do when someone we criticized and investigated tries to change and do right, or was found not to be harmful. Noodin is both of these.

She doesn't appear to have changed. She's still claiming to be a descendant with no proof. I don't think she's changed because after her diatribe she went and jingle danced.

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The right thing to do is wait for her to contact the several websites where she falsely called herself Ojibwe instead of "I claim to be a descendant." Once the sites have corrections up, this thread should be moved to Archives and marked No Longer a Matter of Concern.

This is your site and of course you can do what ever you please but I feel that you would be doing the Ojibwe community as well as other communities she immerses herself in a huge disservice. People need to be aware and be wary of her conduct, even if it's previous. I have a difficult time believing she will let go of her charade. Perhaps she will become more involved with the Irish community. They need to know her propensity for lying as well.

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You won. She had to step down, and changes what she said. Happy ending? Not for the shock to her sense of self, and the loss of a needed teacher.

She has not stepped down to my knowledge. I don't believe she will on her own. There is no happy ending for anyone because of the damage she has done and the distrust she has caused. The shock to her sense of self could have easily been prevented if she had done the work before making the claims. Margaret is not the be all end all of language experts, she can be replaced, hopefully with somebody with ethics and morals.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 07, 2022, 06:03:59 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: kaeqcekam on April 24, 2022, 12:05:01 am

Somebody came to me this morning telling me that Margaret has made claims in the past that her family has members that are or were Mide. I had never heard this before though I am, I suppose, an outsider to her 'circles' so I put on my Google cap and began researching. I was not finding anything so I began to assume that this was gossip.

Then I came across this https://aadl.org/node/370469 (https://aadl.org/node/370469)* https://web.archive.org/web/20211218172153/https://aadl.org/node/370469 (https://web.archive.org/web/20211218172153/https://aadl.org/node/370469)* I did not have the stomach to watch it so I went through the transcripts. There's a whole lot of interesting information, some of which has been posted but a lot that has been missed. She mistakenly dates NARFA to 1974 when it was 1978, she also claims that it was illegal to publish our language until 1991. The Native American Languages Act did not make publishing our languages legal, it already was. The Act was 'To assist Native Americans in assuring the survival and continuing vitality of their languages' and provided grants to do so. She should know this information. Was she being intentionally deceptive of does she really not know? If she really doesn't know these basic things then she's a pretty sorry Director of the Electa Quinney Institute for American Indian Education. Then I found this

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"MEG NOORI: Well, that's kind of like what I was saying, I mean, personally my feeling is it's not my field, it's not my place to talk -- there are many, many people who would say -- my teachings were that you don't just go out and assume people -- like I would not presume to give all you guys communion right now. I would not presume you were of a similar religion or that you wanted that: same thing with Mide stories. We were taught that to share those stories -- you would not do that, unless it was the right place and the right time. I personally think that you need to acknowledge their existence, so I'm probably in between. When I was very little, I would have been told, "don't even say that word, your uncle is going to get arrested," you know. But I think, now, I like to be able to say that that does exist; it's real and it's there. People practice it totally different ways; there's ways of doing it here; there's ways in Wisconsin, ways in Minnesota. So it's something we try to be very, very careful about and very respectful toward. I don't know if that's a good enough answer, but that's my answer."

I guess she really did claim that she had a relative was Mide. That's some pretty heavy bullshitting right there. She says she was told this when she was little so either her relatives were lying to her or she made this up to better fit in to the community. I believe the latter since she has no clue where he non yet existent relatives even came from. Out of all of her stories, this one, though only made in passing, bothers me the most. it elevated her to her audience. How many others did she pass this story on to elevate herself to? Has she used her blood myth to join a lodge I wonder? If so she is going to have a lot to answer for, maybe not now, but she will.

*Strikethrough added by advancedsmite during reconstruction of the thread to indicate a broken link. The page was archived via the Wayback Machine on 12/18/2021. Link to archived page added by advancedsmite. The "Ann Arbor/Ypsilanti Reads Event: Margaret Noori Discusses Native Americans of Michigan - The Three Fires Confederacy" discussion from 2/18/2006 contains a significant amount of statements from Margaret Noori Noodin proven to be untrue. It has been saved offline as an additional precaution. See attached PNG file to reference original thread.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 07, 2022, 06:48:17 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: MilkyWayKwe on April 24, 2022, 02:53:57 am

advancedsmite: Thank-you for posting that video where MN talks about her name change. After seeing MN now in a new light, this video was extraordinarily hard to watch. Her claiming of Anishinaabe history, pain, struggle (re: AIM, language loss, Christianity, etc.) wicks to the core. I have similar struggles with her use of 'us', 'ours', 'we'. The way she fluctuates between 'they' (distancing/othering) and 'us' (claiming a togetherness) in this video and others is bizarre.

At 9:03 MN shares some curious ideas about Anishinaabe language and identity; her non-verbals are interesting: "I think [the language is] central to people knowing who they are and feeling that they can connect with each other and with history and even create a space for themselves. *pauses. coughs* Um, I guess I think that the language is a way to create identity, to continue a narrative that can do things other languages can't do." She sees the language as a way to create identity, to continue a narrative–that “other” languages can’t do? Anishinaabe language can do this in ways that other languages cannot? Other languages, like what? Colonizing languages like English? Diasporic/immigrant languages like Irish? It seems to me that this is a very telling interview. MN suggests why she’s so attracted to the language: it can create an identity and continue a narrative that her own ancestral languages cannot do.

About her name change---this to me is so blatantly outrageous, in ethics, logic, and process. She says, her colleagues "on the cover" (of Centering Anishinaabeg Studies) changed their last name, so "I recently did the same thing." Actually, 1) Sinclair, Stark, and Doerfler are not Anishinaabe last names in terms of Anishinaabe language; she is making a sloppy conflation and incorrect statement; 2) how does MN know if/how/when they 'changed' any part of their name and what business does she have to think she can do what other Anishinaabe do with their names?; 3) these scholars are all Anishinaabe creating life for Anishinaabe; they are not confused or discontent white settler women who want to be someone they are not, they are not creating an Anishinaabe identity and contributing to the creation of a discipline in Anishinaabeg Studies based on the wisp of a family story and 4) you can be sure the editors of the book that include their Anishinaabe names have their story for how they were given those names and that they have their responsibilities that they have to carry out for their names. I wonder what these Anishinaabeg scholars would think about MN leveraging the fact that they have Anishinaabe names to legitimize her changing her last name? Do they even know? Did she talk to them about it? Linked to this last point, MN goes on to say (using her faulty logic), that because her colleagues who edited the book changed their last names to include Anishinaabe names, she thought she would too and so talked to her dad about it. I mean no disrespect to MN's dad because, as we see with other pretendians they bring their families into their fake-world-making in ways that I think we are just starting to hear more about, but, who's her dad and why does he have a say about her using an Anishinaabe word for her last name? He isn't Anishinaabe.
What does he know about the ethical requirements of the situation and the implications of being unethical? What does he care? What stake does he have in it?

She says, based on conversation with her dad, it was decided it would be "fun". I'm of like-mind with kaeqcekam on this--it's another pretty gross reason to change your name to an Anishinaabe word. Sadly, through her actions, logics, and processes around her name change, MN “inspires” the idea of patenting our language so non-Anishinaabeg can't use it to create false identities. Imagine being the person whose actions inspire such a twisted idea, necessity. Nice legacy.

educatedindian Thank-you for taking the time to repeat yourself. I did read this before and disagree with you but felt it more
diplomatic and kind to set about showing my disagreement in a different way. Let me be more blunt: I'm not going to argue with you because it seems MN reads these posts and I do wonder what she gets out of watching us do all this labour and witnessing the tensions here and there, over her. I wonder if she likes it. I am also not going to try to convince you of anything here as you seem to be a) invested in protecting MN or b) have a highly particularized understanding of this situation, or the situation. But, I do have a few questions and things for you to consider if you so choose:

How do you know the terms of MN's hiring? Can you share the job posting? Do you know what the interview questions were? What the backroom discussions were? What students said about her interview (presuming they were involved somehow) and what their understanding was about who she is? Do you know if she identified herself as Anishinaabe in any of her application or interview process and if so, why she did that? How do you know what the hiring committee wanted but didn't put out into the world to be documented (not suggesting anything unethical here on the part of a committee--it's just that bias is a thing and is often hidden and not articulated AND power operates in committees in unstated ways)? What appealed to them and the people involved in the hire? Do you know what bias informed their choices? Please--we all know there's the 'legit' human resources process and then there's what people really want and the ways power and bias circulates to get that.

You state, "Neither she nor anyone else was ever awarded grants or jobs based on race, nation, or ethnicity. Been illegal since the 70s. She got her job and grants based on speaking the language." With respect, your understanding of how social capital and cultural currency operate to generate income, economic opportunity, and wealth is reductionist and black and white. Have you seen her online presence? Do you really think this presence is solely due to her ability to speak the language or that WHO she is (purports to be) is a non-variable in her currency? Do you really think that how people think her to be--that being Anishinaabe or even Anishinaabe kwe--doesn't impact their invitations, offers, and seeking her out? Do you really think Indigenous students, Elders, academics, community people, etc. are giving a white lady who speaks our language this much currency? Do you understand the particular kind of currency she has, presenting as an Anishinaabe woman who has a PhD, specializing in the language and how this translates into economic opportunity? Do you really think she's getting this much presence, circulation, opportunity and influence to shape ideas of Anishinaabe peoples and life as a language speaker detached from identity? Please. To get some understanding, why don't you do her work for her and ask TED Talks if they thought she was Anishinaabe when they invited her/agreed for her to speak? Or Jim Schaefer from RipRap in her discussion of her chapter in the Anishinaabeg Studies text she refers to? Or, UC Berkeley when they invited her to do a Distinguished Guest Lecture in 2019 or Beth Piatote, when she introduced her? Why not then ask UC Berkeley how much she was paid to give the lecture? Why not ask MN how such a talk--distinguished lecturer at a Top 10 university in the US or a wee interview in a little bookstore--props up her CV as both acclaimed academic AND “humble community person” when she's evaluated for salary, advancement, awards, or grants? Why not go and find out from all the students she works with if they chose her because they thought she was Anishinaabe or knew she’s not Anishinaabe and didn’t care and then ask MN how student supervision or mentoring props up her CV and then ask how this propping up of her CV advances her economically? Why not ask how many scholars have asked her to be an external examiner of graduate student work thinking she was Anishinaabe and ask MN how that has propped up her CV. I can't even get into the authority she has had to shape Anishinaabe worlds in her work with students or the dependencies she may have nurtured with community people through honoraria all the while thinking she's Anishinaabe. I'm posting a link identifying the currency that comes with giving a TED talk. I hope it helps disrupt the reductionist ways you argue against the fact that MN has benefited economically from her construction of an Anishinaabe identity. I'm also posting her TedTalk, the UC Berkeley lecture, and reposting the RipRap talk that advancedsmite posted.

Academic positions are sites of power. MN knows this and even speaks to an example of this, I think, in the RipRap talk.

WINative, thank-you for the post about MN's upcoming talk and how she is identified there. So wild that this is happening.

I'm inclined to post the photo of her at a powwow last weekend (with identities of others present covered) but it's so visceral to see her dressed in Anishinaabe regalia while she knows this robust exchange is happening and, more importantly, while she knows she's not Anishinaabe. It's hard. For me, the image of her with Elders who are also dressed in their regalia, bastardizes the meaning and integrity of the material cultural life and meaning-making Anishinaabeg have so powerfully embarked on --- amidst on-going genocide. I feel mostly worried for the younger generation and our kids---how can our cultural ways have integrity if a pretendian is allowed to continue to walk in the world wearing our markers of identity and culture? How do we expect our kids to take our ways seriously if someone like MN is allowed to continue to don regalia? This person seems to have no limits.

I appreciate all the work being done here.

Links:

1)Do Ted Talk Speakers Get Paid?: https://www.topworklife.com/do-ted-talk-speakers-get-paid (https://www.topworklife.com/do-ted-talk-speakers-get-paid)
2) RipRap Interview (repost): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH6Zt-UEhE4&t=640s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH6Zt-UEhE4&t=640s)
3) UC Berkeley Distinguished Guest Lecture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eqEPl9gu80 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eqEPl9gu80)
4)TED Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddyFh1Rdho4&t=136s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddyFh1Rdho4&t=136s)*https://www.vexplode.com/en/tedx/minowakiing-the-good-land-margaret-noodin-tedxuwmilwaukee/ (https://www.vexplode.com/en/tedx/minowakiing-the-good-land-margaret-noodin-tedxuwmilwaukee/)* https://web.archive.org/web/20220907182418/https://www.vexplode.com/en/tedx/minowakiing-the-good-land-margaret-noodin-tedxuwmilwaukee/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20220907182418/https://www.vexplode.com/en/tedx/minowakiing-the-good-land-margaret-noodin-tedxuwmilwaukee/)*

*Strikethrough added by advancedsmite during reconstruction of the thread to indicate an issue with the link. Sometime after 4/24/2022, TEDxUWMilwaukee made the video "Minowakiing: The Good Land | Margaret Noodin | TEDxUWMilwaukee"  private. A transcript of Margaret Noodin's TED Talk was found on another site and the link has been added above. The page was archived via the Wayback Machine on 9/7/2022. The archived link has been added above, as well. It has been saved offline as an additional precaution. See attached PNG file to reference original thread.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 07, 2022, 06:50:19 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: kaeqcekam on April 24, 2022, 12:47:17 pm

MilkyWayKwe, wawaenon for your post. You said so many thing I wanted to articulate but couldn't.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on September 07, 2022, 06:52:37 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 24, 2022, 08:57:29 pm

I also thank you MilkyWayKwe, and kaeqcekam, for taking the time to go into Margaret's fraud and harm in detail. It not only makes abundantly clear what she has done, but it provides an example for the harm done by those in similar positions. Thank you both. And thank you for the labor put in by others in this thread, as well, like Diana and Smart Mule, who did the genealogy Margaret probably already knew, but ran them in circles, with false promises and white tears, wasting their time and energy in vain efforts to manipulate us.

On the day this all heated up, I had come to this thread specifically to move her to Frauds. I was shocked and confused that we did not have an immediate, clear consensus to do so. Even though there was very little support for her, what has been said in "support" of her has been very disturbing to me. You both have my gratitude for addressing it.

The upside of this thread staying in "Research Needed" for this long is that the continued dialogue has resulted in these clear examples. Margaret (I also will not use her self-chosen appellation) has told multiple members here that she will stop her claims and presentations. She clearly has not stopped. Her fraud has only continued and grown since she made those false promises.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on October 24, 2022, 06:20:14 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: kaeqcekam on April 24, 2022, 10:57:20 pm

I looked several times and perhaps I missed it. Margaret did the voice over in the trailer for the movie Antlers. At a time when we are trying so hard to Indigenize Hollywood and are actually making breakthroughs, Margaret took up space that could have gone to an actual Native person. Graham Greene and Lisa Cromarty were the only Native people with a presence in the film Greene's presence was heavily cut and Cromarty narrates.

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The movie Antlers, produced by Oscar winner Guillermo del Toro and directed by Scott Cooper is based on a screenplay he wrote with Nick Antosca and C. Henry Chaisson retelling Antosca’s short story “The Quiet Boy” which is a true Wiindigo tale warning against greed, corruption and destruction. In the film, a teacher says: “What is Storytelling? Storytelling started with our indigenous people.” Cooper and Del Toro worked to respectively connect their Wiindigo story to stories that have been told on this continent as long as anyone can remember. Grace L. Dillon was the primary consultant for the film and she contacted Margaret Noodin when the movie needed a voice of warning. As many of us work to revitalize languages that grew weak during colonization, attempted assimilation and the era of boarding schools, it is wonderful to know Antlers contains accurate Ojibwe. Our languages are growing stronger.

The final trailer for the film includes Margaret’s voice speaking Ojibwe. Here are the haunting words of warning:

Wenaakonigejig owiisagenimigoowaad wiindigoon.
The nations have been made to suffer by those who walk with greed in their hearts.

Nishiwanaajitoonid akiwan gaye nibiiwan miinawaa nishwanaaji’aanid asiniiyan, begazojin, bemoodejin, bemisejin, bemosejin.
They have destroyed the land and waters; they have destroyed the stones, swimmers, the crawlers, the ones who fly and the ones who walk.

Maazikamikwe godagendaagozid mii gikendang aabdeg wii-izhichigaadeg.
Mother Earth is in danger and knows what must be done.

She got the role through her friend Grace L. Dillon who was a consultant on the film. Dillon 'gave them permission' to use the 'w' in the films storyline. Not going to write the word, sorry.

“What's important to me is that I was given permission by people who most know about the wendigo — and who covet it, and who understand it far better than I do — to tell this story,” he adds.

The production employed Grace L. Dillon, a professor in the Indigenous Nations Studies Program at Portland State University, as its Native American advisor, and the film’s vision of the creature largely stemmed from Dillon’s expertise. “That was important to me because it means so much to their culture,” says Cooper.

Dillon also claims Anishinabe descent but I don't know what her story is.
https://ojibwe.net/the-native-voice-in-the-movie-antlers/ *
https://web.archive.org/web/20211011112706/https://ojibwe.net/the-native-voice-in-the-movie-antlers/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20211011112706/https://ojibwe.net/the-native-voice-in-the-movie-antlers/)
https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/antlers-ending-explainedscott-cooper-interview?msclkid=bc5e9e82c41711ecba94925383a3abd2**
https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/antlers-ending-explained-scott-cooper-interview
 (https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/antlers-ending-explained-scott-cooper-interview)

*Strikethrough added by advancedsmite during reconstruction of the thread. Added Internet Archive link to minimize risk of broken links in the future.
**Strikethrough added by advancedsmite during reconstruction of the thread to indicate a broken link. Link updated.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on October 24, 2022, 06:22:37 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: debbieredbear on April 25, 2022, 09:05:39 pm

Grace Dillon now has her own thread.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on October 24, 2022, 06:32:25 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: MilkyWayKwe on May 05, 2022, 03:34:23 am

The website called "Humans and Nature" has a copyright of 2022, indicating it's an updated and/or active website.

Margaret Gives-Herself-An-Anishinaabe-Last-Name-For-Fun has a bio on it whereby she "identifies as American, Anishinaabe, Irish, and Metis."

https://humansandnature.org/margaret-noodin/*
https://web.archive.org/web/20211028120606/https://www.humansandnature.org/margaret-noodin (https://web.archive.org/web/20211028120606/https://www.humansandnature.org/margaret-noodin)

*Strikethrough added by advancedsmite during reconstruction of the thread. Added Internet Archive link to minimize risk of broken links in the future.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on October 24, 2022, 06:33:28 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: cellophane on May 06, 2022, 12:38:44 am

The source code for the "Humans and Nature" website shows it was last modified Feb. 10, 2022.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on October 24, 2022, 06:40:34 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: advancedsmite on July 13, 2022, 04:00:50 pm

Yesterday, the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee announced the hire of a new Director for the Electa Quinney Institute. I've included the article and link below. Font style, text size, and underlining added for emphasis.

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Freeland looks forward to leading Electa Quinney Institute
UWM Report - News from the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
By John Schumacher
JULY 12, 2022 - Now three weeks into the job, Mark Freeland is settling into his role as the new director of the Electa Quinney Institute at UW-Milwaukee.

Freeland comes to UWM from South Dakota State University, where he was the co-coordinator of the American Indian and Indigenous Studies Program. That program provided the academic component for the Wokini Initiative, a program to redistribute land-grant funding to support Indigenous students. Freeland replaces Margaret Noodin, who stepped down to concentrate on her roles as associate dean of humanities in the College of Letters & Science and professor of English.

“I am very thankful to be here at UWM to continue the work that Dr. Margaret Noodin has built here at EQI,” Freeland said. “EQI is in a very good place right now, and it is an honor to be associated with the institute.”

Founded in 2010, the Electa Quinney Institute for American Indian Education works to support American Indian students at UWM, and to strengthen and celebrate American Indian education at the local, regional and national levels.

“We are thrilled to have Mark Freeland at UWM,” said Scott Gronert, interim provost and vice chancellor of academic affairs. “He brings a wealth of experience to the role and a long history of involvement and scholarship in Indigenous communities. We look forward to him building on the good work that the Electa Quinney Institute has been doing for more than a decade.”

Freeland is a citizen of the Bahweting Anishinaabe community in northern Michigan, also known as the Sault Saint Marie Chippewa.

He earned a PhD in religious and theological studies from the joint doctoral program at the Iliff School of Theology and the University of Denver. While completing his studies there, Freeland worked as a council member of the Four Winds American Indian Council, an urban community center in downtown Denver.

Freeland is the author of “Aazheyaadizi: Worldview, Language and the Logics of Decolonization,” which provides a theoretical grounding for understanding the problematic role that religion plays within Indigenous communities and sheds light on the issues around translating Indigenous languages in and out of colonial languages.

Link: https://uwm.edu/news/freeland-looks-forward-to-leading-electa-quinney-institute/*
https://web.archive.org/web/20220713151556/https://uwm.edu/news/freeland-looks-forward-to-leading-electa-quinney-institute/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20220713151556/https://uwm.edu/news/freeland-looks-forward-to-leading-electa-quinney-institute/)

*Strikethrough added by advancedsmite during reconstruction of the thread. Added Internet Archive link to minimize risk of broken links in the future.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on October 24, 2022, 06:47:58 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Sparks on July 28, 2022, 12:39:00 am

Quote from: MilkyWayKwe on April 20, 2022, 02:27:17 am
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As so many contributors here have noted, she is, in myriad ways, disavowing herself of true responsibility, and I would even say, making "moves to innocence" (Tuck and Yang, Decolonization is not a Metaphor), in the face of being revealed.

My boldings. Recently, fairbanks posted a link to that whole article, where the phrase in italics is referred to 23 times:

Quote from: fairbanks on July 27, 2022, 05:16:43 pm
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posting some relevant quotes from the classic Tuck & Yang Decolonization is Not a Metaphor
https://clas.osu.edu/sites/clas.osu.edu/files/Tuck%20and%20Yang%202012%20Decolonization%20is%20not%20a%20metaphor.pdf

The phrase "moves to innocence" found 6 times in the part(s) quoted by fairbanks.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on October 24, 2022, 06:59:27 pm
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Sparks on August 03, 2022, 04:56:35 am

Quote from: advancedsmite on July 13, 2022, 04:00:50 pm
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Yesterday, the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee announced the hire of a new Director for the Electa Quinney Institute. […]
https://uwm.edu/news/freeland-looks-forward-to-leading-electa-quinney-institute/ (https://uwm.edu/news/freeland-looks-forward-to-leading-electa-quinneyinstitute/)

On August 1 there was another article and interview (14:20 minutes) at that site:

https://www.wuwm.com/2022-08-01/new-director-of-uwm-electa-quinney-institute-talks-indigenous-language-education3-million-grant*
https://www.wuwm.com/2022-08-01/new-director-of-uwm-electa-quinney-institute-talks-indigenous-language-education-3-million-grant (https://www.wuwm.com/2022-08-01/new-director-of-uwm-electa-quinney-institute-talks-indigenous-language-education-3-million-grant)
https://web.archive.org/web/20220801172359/https://www.wuwm.com/2022-08-01/new-director-of-uwm-electa-quinney-institute-talks-indigenous-language-education-3-million-grant (https://web.archive.org/web/20220801172359/https://www.wuwm.com/2022-08-01/new-director-of-uwm-electa-quinney-institute-talks-indigenous-language-education-3-million-grant)

I quote where Margaret Noodin is mentioned in the text (I have not listened to the interview yet):

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Freeland takes over as director of EQI from Margaret Noodin, who led the institute beginning in 2014. Freeland says Noodin created a strong foundation, particularly when it comes to Indigenous languages.
"There's so much interest in language revitalization right now that there are very good partnerships to be made with local and regional communities who are
looking to us for that kind of leadership in teaching," Freeland says. "And that's what Margaret very specifically has been doing and what her expertise is." […]
Editor's note: Margaret Noodin is now an associate dean overseeing WUWM, which is a service of UW-Milwaukee.

I have bolded the Editor's note, which I think may be interesting to the forum.

For background see: https://uwm.edu/eqi/ (https://uwm.edu/eqi/) & https://uwm.edu/eqi/people/freeland-mark/ (https://uwm.edu/eqi/people/freeland-mark/)

*Strikethrough added by advancedsmite during reconstruction of the thread to indicate a broken link. Link updated and added Internet Archive link to minimize risk of broken links in the future.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Cetan on November 01, 2022, 07:13:51 pm
I just got this email from the University of Michigan Native Student Association
Drum Making Workshop Sign-Up
We will be making drums with the help of Margaret Noodin on November 5th! We will be meeting from around 11am-1pm at Trotter Multicultural Center. We have very limited capacity for drum kits, so please sign up as soon as possible and if you sign up commit to attend because we will probably have a waiting list.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on November 02, 2022, 12:02:24 am
Margaret Noodin, on 10/28/2022 and 10/29/2022, was a speaker at the Indigenous Knowledges Symposium at Michigan Technological University. She was referred to as "Indigenous to the Great Lakes" in the materials.

https://web.archive.org/web/20221101235622/https://www.radioresultsnetwork.com/2022/10/23/indigenous-knowledges-symposium-starts-monday-at-mtu/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20221101235622/https://www.radioresultsnetwork.com/2022/10/23/indigenous-knowledges-symposium-starts-monday-at-mtu/)

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Indigenous teachers, government agencies, researchers, students, educators and community members will gather at Michigan Technological University on Monday and Tuesday, for the Indigenous Knowledges Symposium, an event created through partnership among the Keweenaw Bay Indian Community (KBIC), Great Lakes Indian Fish and Wildlife Commission (GLIFWC), Michigan Tech and Michigan Sea Great.

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Each of the primary symposium teachers are Indigenous to the Great Lakes, and their audience will be federal and state government staff, researchers, students, educators and community members. Speakers include:

Michael Waasegiizhig Price, GLIFWC
Margaret A. Noodin, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Dylan Bizhikiins Jennings, Northland College
Austin Ayres, KBIC Natural Resources Department
Kristin Arola, Michigan State University
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on November 02, 2022, 12:13:46 am
Margaret Noodin read a children's book written by her daughters at the Petoskey Library in Michigan. In addition to reading the quoted text below, I recommend watching the YouTube video at 1:37 to actually hear how it is said.

Margaret Noodin reads Dakonaninjingwaan (To Fall Asleep Holding Hands)
Event: May 3, 2022
Video Uploaded: June 10, 2022
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHg710cuow4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHg710cuow4)
Description: Petoskey District Library welcomed Margaret Noodin on May 3, 2022 for a storytime reading of Dakonaninjingwaan by Shannon and Fionna Noori; translated by Margaret Noodin; illustrated by Dolly Peltier.

Transcription begins at 1:37.
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“I grew up in Minnesota. I got into studying and teaching Ojibwe - I mean when I grew up, we used the term - um - I actually had a great grandmother who said she was Indian, and we used the term Chippewa while I was growing up. It’s a measure of how old I am. And now we use Anishinaabe, but we understand that to mean the Ojibwe, Odawa, and Potawatomie people.”
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: WINative on November 15, 2022, 03:11:13 am
https://www.milwaukeemag.com/visibly-indigenous-how-milwaukees-native-community-is-working-to-be-un-erased/


“One of the aims is to have more Indigenous people engaged at all levels of education,” says Margaret Noodin, the institute’s director, who studies and teaches lost languages, including the Anishinaabemowin her ancestors spoke. “But the other goal is to educate others … to help people understand [Native] history and cultural issues.”[/size][/size][/size][/b]
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: niigankwe on December 23, 2022, 07:41:10 pm
In the wake of the Bourassa scandal at USask, a report was commissioned to address the flaws with self-identification, just released in October. It also is an amazing treatise on Pretendians in academia. I have attached the report in this post.

Palmater calls it “ethnicity shopping,” and notes that:
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it’s the height of white superiority to think that you have the ability to shop from other peoples’
ethnicity and take what you want, and get the opportunities from it, and deny them the
opportunities from their own ethnicity…It’s exploitative, opportunistic, manipulative, and
extractive. It’s dispossession and appropriation founded in the racism and entitlement that goes
with white supremacy. It’s another wave of colonization…We took everything else so we’re going
to ensure we get the rest by saying we’re you. (Palmater, 2021)


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/new-independent-university-report-tackles-indigenous-identity-1.6639470

Teillet noted that across Canada, universities have focused on creating positions set aside for Indigenous people. She said the intention was good, but they naively relied on self-identification, which is essentially just an applicant ticking a box.

"The academy seriously underestimated the fact that so many individuals would seek to exploit that ignorance for their personal gain," wrote Teillet in her 84-page report. "As a consequence there were few checks and balances to detect or deter Indigenous identity fraud."
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: ojib22 on December 31, 2022, 04:47:42 am
Boozhoo. As an individual who has had professional interactions with Margaret over the years, what is the “right” way to go in dealing with the lies she has told and those who continue to protect her and downplay the deceit because she is a fluent speaker and “owns” the Ojibwe.net site?  Although she is no longer the EQI director, she is still actively involved and the findings of this website regarding her true heritage are disregarded as creepy, the definition of historical trauma, and/or a “crabs in the bucket” situation. (Basically implying that all documents such as census records that were used to expose her are tools of colonialism and not to be trusted.). I felt a huge amount of betrayal but when the elders who she has worked with say it’s all ok and people are not taking a stand with her because of her fluency, what is to be done? She continues to promote the children’s language book that her daughter wrote and a Native artist illustrated. While she was quiet for a bit earlier this year, she seems to be regaining her confidence that she is entitled to be anishinabekwe.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on February 09, 2023, 08:41:02 pm
I don't believe this source had been shared in the original Margaret Noodin thread. I've included quotes that, in my opinion, relate to Margaret Noodin's claims.

YouTube: Meg Noodin Reading at Red Dragon Reading Series on 3/13/2014
Event Date: March 13, 2014    Video Uploaded: March 14, 2014
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxswTOCarv8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxswTOCarv8)


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Transcription begins at 0:25.

Margaret Noodin: “The other thing that we would also traditionally do is acknowledge where we are. Which for me is particularly fun because – um - where I am now is where the Anishinabek migrated to. So, our people were once farther east. So maybe we were here a long, long, long time ago. I would introduce myself saying <speaks Anishinaabemowin> which she alluded to a little bit. So, my Anishinabek name I’ve always had in communities when I’m working and teaching, I get called <speaks Anishinaabemowin> which is north wind. So really, I don't mind the weather at all. So <speaks Anishinaabemowin> the clan that I associate with is the Marten clan and you'll have to look up what a little pine marten is. They are typically thought of as really, really busy and warrior type people and so I think it's probably no surprise that I have teachers for parents and went into language activism and teaching myself.”

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Transcription begins at 6:22.

Margaret Noodin: “So, I grew up in Minnesota where we have multiple Ojibwe reservations. In the U.S. we have reservations. In Canada there are First Nations. And we learn to say well there's the Chippewa, The Lake Superior Band Chippewa versus maybe the Fond du Lac Chippewa. Or we would say all these separate. And honestly, I kid you not it's – like - probably a measure of how old I am, we learned to call the Chippewa - the Chippewa, the Ottawa -the Ottawa, the Potawatomi. It wasn't until the late 70s that we remembered the term Anishinaabe. And now in class when I teach about Indian history - I teach in the American Indian Studies program - and we found a number of documents where the people back then are using the term Anishinaabe. There was a lot of forgetting that took place and now what we're trying to do is remember - and remember those connections.

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Transcription begins at 8:26.

Margaret Noodin: “There's only five people that I know that also teach this language anywhere. And luckily, we all got our PhDs and we're doing our best to set a good example but only three of us taught our kids the language. Just through circumstance and the ability to have time to do that.”

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Transcription begins at 20:13.

Margaret Noodin:I did not begin trying to learn the language till my late, late teens. And then took many, many classes where people talked at me, and I didn't really learn and could not speak. I got to actually be a very good listener and could understand and read a fair amount, but I couldn't produce my own sentences.”

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Transcription begins at 43:09.

Margaret Noodin: “Once you get to about fifth/sixth grade, there's a lot of work that some very fluent people would need to do to catch us up. Another really good example is I was teaching a class near Detroit where a lot of the students were mixed -um- African American and Native American, or they were just African American or Caucasian, in the class. And the word for African American - I will just say it and hope I’m not offending anyone is not particularly nice. It's very - very blunt and color-based and the kids in the class wouldn't say it. They're like “That's kind of mean. We don't want to say that.” Even our word for Americans is ‘long knives’ and my daughter won't say that to her friends. She’s like “I don’t want to call my friends long knives. They're not coming at me with knives.” So, we have things in terms of even political correctness that people in the early 1800s were just describing things in ways that now we would do differently. In the end we worked with the students in the class. We figured the students who had as their identity African American and Native American should be the ones who kind of shaped what we used, and they decided they wanted to say <speaks Anishinaabemowin> ‘the ones that live in a black way’ because a lot of them said “Well we're not - we don't have to actually come from Africa. Don't use Africa in our name. Just say we live in a black way.” That was what was empowering to them. So - so, we use that now in Michigan and the Detroit area, but you know it changes.”


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Transcription begins at 47:01.

Margaret Noodin: “You can do the in the classroom things that get assigned to you, but then you're sitting around the fire and an old lady tells a dirty joke and you think “I don't get it.” You know? That was my goal for a while. I was like make sure that no jokes would be told around me that I did not understand. And then when I did defend my PhD thesis Jim Northrup showed up - this is a funny story. This is why you should all go to grad school. Because it's far easier than you think and, in the end, after you write about the thing you love you don't have to take yourself so seriously anymore. I had all these serious committee members, and they were going to say whether I was done, and if I should pass or not. And Jim Northrup who is a well-known Anishinaabe writer just said he wanted to show up. He wanted to be there because I was writing about him, so he wanted to be there. And I think they didn't know what to do - this old Indian guy wanted to show up. They're like “Okay. Let him sit there.” So, he says “Wait. I need you all to say something before we begin. And they're all like “Oh. Okay. It must be something really sacred or like a prayer or something.” So, he says “<speaks Anishinaabemowin>. Can you all say that?” And they all say it back. They say “<speaks Anishinaabemowin>.” And for the rest of the whole thing, they're asking me questions but I’m laughing in my head because they all just one-by-one said “I just farted. I just farted.” So, even if only for that reason, you know, your language gives you places to be that you sometimes need. So, for us, we have that sharing that language was a way that he could say “Look. Even if they all know a lot more than you know right now you know a few things they don't know.” You know? So, it was a way to kind of laugh.

Audience Member: “Did they ask what that meant?”

Margaret Noodin: “You know what? Only one of them asked. Now isn't that interesting, too? But the rest of them - it was so serious, and they felt they had done a good <unintelligible> they never even asked. Only one. She asked me “What did I say?” afterwards. And I told her. I said you said, “She's so smart.” <laughs> No - I told her the truth. That would be very bad karma to lie about what words mean - somebody will catch it.

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Transcription begins at 52:38.

Audience Member: "As a child, what was the influence of the language in your home?"

Margaret Noodin: “Nothing. Nothing at all. I remember going when I first started wanting to learn the language there would often be things that were - like - frighteningly disturbing. Like there were a lot of really amazing Native American leaders who were obviously - like - changing things and making people really wake up and recognize American Indian issues, American Indian rights. And, I mean, I was in Minneapolis where a lot of that was going on and I can remember going to a dinner - it was a big feast - and this elder that we all really respected was asked to say the prayer. And he got up to say the prayer and he said <speaks Anishinaabemowin>. Oh, okay. And all he did was count. And because I had a little bit, I realized that what’s happening, was happening. So, it was profoundly sad that boarding school had totally stolen the language to the point where he didn't know how to pray. He just counted and that no one else knew. I mean stuff like that you're like “Oh.” It's just mind numbing that I think things like that were what made those of us who teach the language now say “That can't happen. We can't collapse.” I mean when you guys think of - I don't know what - you all must have something you say before you take the final, right? Some little prayer to some God somewhere. You know? That - some set of words that empowers you to do well in life and to live well. And just think if someone took that from you. You know? Like just - you can't remember it. You know? So, I think for a whole generation really, most people under-50 didn't grow up hearing any of it, didn't hear complete sentences. I mean at funerals you would sometimes hear things. Or at maybe weddings, traditional ones, you'd hear things, but otherwise you didn't - we - didn't hear much.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on February 09, 2023, 08:54:46 pm
Here's another source that I don't think was shared in the original Margaret Noodin thread. I've included a quote directly relevant to Margaret Noodin's claims below.

YouTube: World Water Day 2021 Celebration featuring Dr. Noodin’s work as a Water Policy Scholar
Event Date: March 17, 2021       Video Uploaded: March 20, 2021
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR_ZLneSrX0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR_ZLneSrX0)


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Transcription begins at 9:18.

Margaret Noodin: “So, I’m originally from Minnesota and -uh- <speaks Anishinaabemowin> - I've got relatives from Grand Portage and Montreal, the Ontario Metis. My clan is Pine Marten and - uh - it's just been a pleasure to be living in Milwaukee and teaching Anishinaabemowin here. We've got a very high population of folks in this city working to revitalize the language and six of the nations that we show on our map are in our state. So here in Wisconsin we're doing what we can.”
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on February 22, 2023, 03:30:24 am
UW-Stout’s Diversity Week, Feb. 20-25, to open with we ARE Carnival
Events, presentations include accessible recreation, BIPOC Mental Health,
international languages, diversity discussions, support for veterans

Direct Link: https://www.wispolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/230216UWStout.pdf (https://www.wispolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/230216UWStout.pdf)
Archive Link:https://web.archive.org/web/20230219181200/https://www.wispolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/230216UWStout.pdf (https://web.archive.org/web/20230219181200/https://www.wispolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/230216UWStout.pdf)


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International Mother Language Day

On International Mother Language Day, Margaret Noodin, a native Anishinaabe speaker and professor at UW-Milwaukee, will present “Loving Our Mother Languages Through the Seasons of Our Lives.”

The presentation is co-sponsored by the Literature Committee, Center for Applied Ethics and Multicultural Student Services. Additional readings by native language speakers may follow after Noodin's presentation.

Additional Information:
Direct Link: https://connect.uwstout.edu/Literature/rsvp_boot?id=2000993 (https://connect.uwstout.edu/Literature/rsvp_boot?id=2000993)
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on April 14, 2023, 04:47:58 pm
Margaret Noodin is still falsely claiming to be Ojibwe despite posting on NAFPS that she would stop.

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4/12/2023: WiscNews "Beaver Dam Community Library welcomes poet Margaret Noodin" - By Jonathan Shipley
Direct Link: https://www.wiscnews.com/community/bdc/article_6c0b3e16-f8e9-59ef-a5a0-d7c0a405d25f.html (https://www.wiscnews.com/community/bdc/article_6c0b3e16-f8e9-59ef-a5a0-d7c0a405d25f.html)
Archive Link: https://archive.ph/iVhfH (https://archive.ph/iVhfH)

"Noodin is a US citizen with Ojibwe, Irish, and French ancestry."

Over the past few months, I 've been compiling content from the original Margaret Noodin thread (and other sources) into a format like the Kathryn Le Claire thread. The original Margaret Noodin thread was the work of many NAFPS users, which tells an important story all on its own, but it might be hard to follow for people less familiar with the subject matter. I hadn't decided whether or not to post it until today. Ojib22's post with first-hand experience and this new information were deciding factors. I have a timeline of Margaret's claims which appears to show a pattern of deception when looked at next to the expanded genealogy.

I'll be posting over the next few days. If anyone has found information that supports Margaret's claims, please contact me. 
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on April 23, 2023, 02:45:21 am
Below is a numbered timeline (1994-2023) with a selection of 52 excerpts from articles, interviews, books, and NAFPS posts in which Margaret Noodin makes claims of having Native American ancestry. A corresponding source list follows. If there isn’t a link, I have the source documents saved offline which are available upon request. This is not intended to be a comprehensive list. There are likely additional examples out there. This post and the upcoming genealogy posts were developed using publicly available information.

Margaret Noodin posted on NAFPS that she’s never claimed to be enrolled in a tribe with two individuals supporting those statements despite evidence to the contrary. The timeline below includes two instances in 2006 and 2009 when MN used the word “enrolled” about the Minnesota Chippewa Grand Portage Band of Lake Superior Chippewa. Margaret Noodin has used the verbiage “descendant of”, “family from”, “member of”, and “relatives from” the Grand Portage Band of Lake Superior Chippewa and/or Minnesota Chippewa many times over the years. There are at least ten examples on the timeline in which Margaret specifically mentions the Minnesota Chippewa or some variation.

An additional post with genealogy will show that Margaret’s grandmother was born in Massachusetts and didn’t move to Minnesota until sometime between 1911-1919. I will go into more detail on this issue in another post.

Margaret Noodin was referred to as being “Anishinaabe” and “Indigenous to the Great Lakes” in late-2022/early-2023 and having “Ojibwe ancestry” as recently as a few weeks ago. Despite saying earlier in 2022 on NAFPS that she “will ensure that all websites contain no implication of descendancy, ancestry or ethnicity.”

Many of the claims on the timeline should be able to be corroborated in some way. For example, the claims Margaret makes about her uncle and Mide in #18. I can find no evidence that Margaret’s uncle or his children have any involvement in Minnesota Chippewa or Anishinaabe communities. Would they corroborate Margaret’s claims if asked?

Pay close attention to Margaret Noodin’s claims about family members attending boarding school. She has contradicted herself multiple times. In 2012 (#23), Margaret states that the generation before her parents (grandmother and great-aunts/great-uncles) attended boarding school. In 2022 (#47 and #48), Margaret shifts between her great-grandmother, Elizabeth “Lizzie” (Myers) Hill, and great-great-aunt, Jennie (Myers) Fontaine, being at an “Indian school” in a series of NAFPS posts. The claim that her great-great-aunt, Jennie (Myers) Fontaine, was in an Indian school invalidates Margaret’s genealogical claims about Henri Lavallee. She claims a man named Henri Lavallee was rumored to be her great-grandmother’s father and that John Myers was her stepfather. Well…there is an 11-12 year age difference between Lizzie and Jennie AND Jennie’s birth record and numerous other records state that John Myers is her father. If the alleged Anishinaabe ancestry is from this Henri Lavallee, why would Jennie have been in an Indian boarding school?

1994
1.   "The instructor is Meg Aerol, an Ojibwe from Minnesota who is fluent in U.S. and Canadian dialects."
2006
2.   “I have Metis relatives that came from the Montreal area”
3.   “the tribe that we were enrolled in is the Minnesota Chippewa from Grand Portage area.”
4.   “Meg Noori, Ph.D. (Anishinaabe and Metis)”
5.   “long-time jingle dancer”
2008
6.   “…said Noori, a Minnesota native of American Indian heritage.”
7.   “ancestors who were part Minnesota Chippewa and part Metis”
8.   “didn’t start taking (Anishinaabe) lessons until she was 15”
2009
9.     “Anishinaabe (MN Chippewa) and Metis”
10.   “member of the Minnesota Chippewa tribe”
11.   “affiliated with the Grand Portage Band of Chippewa Indians and Metis community of Quebec”
2010
12.   “Metis relatives that came from the Montreal area”
13.   “the tribe that we were enrolled in is the Minnesota Chippewa from Grand Portage area”
14.   “when I was growing up we were just all, you know, we were Indian, and that was good, because the ones before us pretended to not be Indian”
15.   “my dad, would always say, "I didn't get to learn this," and drag us down to the Indian Center”
16.   “I grew up in Minnesota, so my first encounters or memories of Eddie Benton were as the person who ran the Little Red Schoolhouse, which was a Native magnet school in Minneapolis and Saint Paul, and so I can remember wishing I could go to that school, because it was all Indian kids”
17.   “I would not presume you were of a similar religion or that you wanted that same thing with Mide stories. We were taught that to share those stories -- you would not do that, unless it was the right place and the right time. I personally think that you need to acknowledge their existence, so I'm probably in between. When I was very little, I would have been told, "don't even say that word, your uncle is going to get arrested," you know.”
18.   “so, I might think of some uncles that did a lot of fiddling that were Metis - - uncles that were -- that was native music to us, but it was fiddling. It was very mixed with European tradition
19.   “if I wear a jingle dress now or when my daughters were wearing those jingle dresses -- I mean, you wouldn't have seen those in the even 1700's, 1600-1500's, you wouldn't have seen those type of dresses, but you know, as traditions move forward -- just the way my daughter dances on Friday dance night is not the way her grandmother would have danced either”
2012
20.   “Margaret Noori, Minnesota Indian Tribe”
21.    “Noori, a professor at University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, whose activist aboriginal parents raised her to speak her ancestral language…”
22.    “Margaret Noori "Giiwedinoodin"(Anishinaabe) and Fionna Noori "Nitaanimiikwesens" (Anishinaabe heritage, waabzheshiinh doodem)” (YouTube Description)
        “In my family, my parents did not speak the language. They had a generation before them who had gone to boarding schools. They heard it but didn't speak it and
         they told me all through the American Indian Movement “You should learn it. You have to really focus on it.” So, I heard it a lot as a child. I would go to ceremonies
         and events, but I did not become at all a proficient speaker until I studied it much later.” (Transcription begins at 6:56)
        “I didn't have anybody that was really checking if my proficiency was where it should be. I had to go out and find that in the community, go back to my relatives and
         make sure I had that side.” (Transcription begins at 18:25)
2014
23.   “Anishinaabe poet Dr. Margaret Noodin…”
2016
24.    “Noodin is a specialist in the Ojibwe language of the Great Lakes region and performed several traditional songs, with attendees singing and even dancing along with them.”
2017
25.   “Participants in “Water is Life” include Water Protectors, and are all Indigenous. Those featured are…Margaret Noodin, Shannon Noori and Fionnan Noori...”
26.   “I am one of the descendants working to keep our language alive”
2018
27.   “…Margaret Noodin, descendant of the Grand Portage Band of Lake Superior Indians”
28.   “Margaret Noodin (Anishinaabe)”
2019
29.   “Margaret Noodin , who is of Anishinaabe ancestry”
        “Noodin will be in Michigan with her daughters, saying a prayer in her native language, enjoying traditional foods such as venison, wild rice and cranberries and giving
         a Miigwech…”   
2020
30.   “Our family is from Grand Portage Lake Superior Band of Chippewa but then also from the Ontario Metis.”
31.   “Noodin, who is of Anishinaabe ancestry”
32.   “Margaret Noodin is an Anishinaabe poet”
2021
33.    “She said she has long been interested in the languages and cultures of her Irish and Anishinaabe ancestors who resisted assimilation and hopes to introduce more people to their stories, which include lessons that everyone can appreciate.”
34.   “She grew up in Chaska, near Minneapolis, where she spent time at St. Joan of Arc Church, the University of Minnesota, and the Minneapolis American Indian Center.”
35.   “she identifies as American, Anishinaabe, Irish, and Metis.”
36.   “I've got relatives from Grand Portage and Montreal, the Ontario Metis. My clan is Pine Marten…”
37.   “I identify as both Anishinaabe and Irish”
38.   “…we lived in a space where my father, in particular, gave great respect to languages that had been lost in our family.”
39.    “…Dr. Margaret Noodin (Ojibwe/Ashininaabe/Metis) Pine Marten Clan, descendant of the Metis Lavallée and Monplaisir families…”
2022
40.   NAFPS Post: “I do teach Ojibwe which I heard around me as a kid growing up south of Minneapolis and in listening to stories of my own family came to believe is one of the languages to which we have a connection.”
41.   NAFPS Post: “Many people have helped my family get closer to sorting out details of ancestry but early in my twenties it become obvious that there is not enough clarity regarding Indigenous ancestry for any of the current generation to become enrolled.”
42.   NAFPS Post: “…Elizabeth Meyers Bean's birth father Henri Lavallee. I may live long enough to understand exactly which part of the Great Lakes her family was from and I may one day have time to do research in Montreal, but until more information is uncovered what I have are family stories recorded by my relatives and other documents which are still not enough to place that family clearly on any roll. Because I was initially encouraged to research this branch of my family tree, and to help with language and cultural revitalization by people at Mille Lacs, Fond du Lac and Grand Portage, these are the communities I have remained closest to. There may still be connections, in particular with Grand Portage, that could be made, but I have always been very clear that I am not enrolled.  I still work with folks in all these places, and many other Anishinaabe nations, and would be happy to give you names if you would like references.”
43.   NAFPS Post: “I definitely don't come from a family of pow wow dancers and have made a point to never dance in contest pow wows.”
44.   NAFPS Post: “Many people here would say that I have repeatedly and regularly insisted for many years now that I am not enrolled and simply have a family narrative of Anishinaabe/Ojibwe ethnicity through the Hill-Lavallee branch.”
45.   NAFPS Post: “I will ensure that all websites contain no implication of descendancy, ancestry or ethnicity.”
46.   NAFPS Post: “Lizzie's father was Henri Lavallee, her stepfather was John Meyers. I will refrain from mentioning anything publicly about them until I know more and will cease sharing the story she told about her sister attending boarding school until I can verify the school.”
47.   NAFPS Post: “Henri Lavallee is Lizzie's birth father. We have family stories of him living is several parts of the Great Lakes which is why our family has searched for the Lavallee name in several communities. I am not at all saying that I have any claim to enrollment through him and Lizzie, only that I was raised understanding this is where we have the connection to Great Lakes Indigenous identity. The term used over time has changed from just Indian (in Lizzie's stories of being at an Indian school) to Chippewa (during my father's lifetime) to Anishinaabe (during my lifetime) - however I believe this is the same diaspora, or confederacy. People in several communities have looked at this with me and I hope one day to find more, but this is what I know.”
48.   “Margaret Noodin, the institute’s director, who studies and teaches lost languages, including the Anishinaabemowin her ancestors spoke”
49.   “Professor Noodin, who is of Anishinaabe descent…”
2023
50.   “…Margaret Noodin, a native Anishinaabe speaker…”
51.    “Indigenous to the Great Lakes”
52.    "Noodin is a US citizen with Ojibwe, Irish, and French ancestry."
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on April 23, 2023, 02:47:50 am
Continued from previous post...

Sources
1. 1994: North American Indian Association of North Detroit - Native Sun Newsletter (Vol. 94 No. 3)
2. 2/18/2006: Ann Arbor/Ypsilanti Reads Event: Margaret Noori Discusses Native Americans of Michigan - The Three Fires Confederacy
3. 2/18/2006: Ann Arbor/Ypsilanti Reads Event: Margaret Noori Discusses Native Americans of Michigan - The Three Fires Confederacy
4. 2006: Minnesota Council of Foundations “A New Season of Strength: Philanthropy in Minnesota Indian Country” - By Margaret Noori, Ph.D. Archive Link: https://web.archive.org/web/20100501184533/http://www.mcf.org/MCF/forum/2006/winter_native_philanthropy.htm
5. 2006: Minnesota Council of Foundations “A New Season of Strength: Philanthropy in Minnesota Indian Country” - By Margaret Noori, Ph.D. Archive Link: https://web.archive.org/web/20100501184533/http://www.mcf.org/MCF/forum/2006/winter_native_philanthropy.htm
6. 5/14/2008: Tulsa World “Spread the Word” – By Jeff Karoub, Associated Press
7. 11/16/2008: Detroit Free Press “A New Look at an Old Language” – By Patricia Montemurri
8. 11/16/2008: Detroit Free Press “A New Look at an Old Language” – By Patricia Montemurri
9. 9/16/2009: Zingerman’s Roadhouse Interview. Direct Link: https://www.zingermansroadhouse.com/2009/09/interview-with-u-of-m-professor-margaret-noori/
10. 9/30/2009: Detroit Free Press “Critics force out Indian dioramas” – By Robin Erb
11. 2009: The Way They Write Circular Images – By Margaret Noori
12. 1/6/2010: Margaret Noori Discusses Native Americans of Michigan – The Three Fires Confederacy, Ann Arbor Public Library
13. 1/6/2010: Margaret Noori Discusses Native Americans of Michigan – The Three Fires Confederacy, Ann Arbor Public Library
14. 1/6/2010: Margaret Noori Discusses Native Americans of Michigan – The Three Fires Confederacy, Ann Arbor Public Library
15. 1/6/2010: Margaret Noori Discusses Native Americans of Michigan – The Three Fires Confederacy, Ann Arbor Public Library
16. 1/6/2010: Margaret Noori Discusses Native Americans of Michigan – The Three Fires Confederacy, Ann Arbor Public Library
17. 1/6/2010: Margaret Noori Discusses Native Americans of Michigan – The Three Fires Confederacy, Ann Arbor Public Library
18. 1/6/2010: Margaret Noori Discusses Native Americans of Michigan – The Three Fires Confederacy, Ann Arbor Public Library
19. 1/6/2010: Margaret Noori Discusses Native Americans of Michigan – The Three Fires Confederacy, Ann Arbor Public Library
20. 6/2/2012: The North Bay Nugget “Talking Language”
21. 2012: Naharnet “Digital Technologies Reversing Extinction of Languages” By Naharnet Newsdesk. Direct Link: https://m.naharnet.com/stories/en/30477-digital-technologies-reversing-extinction-of-languages
22. 11/20/2012: YouTube - 3rd Annual ILIS 2012 – Conquering Challenges in Native Language Work - Margaret & Fionna Noori: TiShkaakamikwe G'nagamaawigo: Singing for Mother Earth. Direct Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04uNJc3tX-w
23 3/12/2014: Targeted News Service [Washington D.C.] “Anishinaabe Poet to Give Reading”
24. 10/7/2016: The Dominion Post (Morgantown, WV)“Native Americans perform annual ritual” – By Conor Griffith
25. 9/1/2017: “(ABOUT THAT) WATER IS LIFE” Exhibit at the Minnesota Center for Book Arts – By Broadsided Press. Direct Link: https://broadsidedpress.org/about-that-water-is-life-exhibit-at-the-minnesota-center-for-book-arts/
26. 12/13/2017: TEDxUWMilwaukee: Minowakiing: The Good Land – Margaret Noodin. Archive Link:  https://web.archive.org/web/20220907182418/https:/www.vexplode.com/en/tedx/minowakiing-the-good-land-margaret-noodin-tedxuwmilwaukee/
27. 7/15/2018: St. Paul Pioneer Press “New Poets of Native Nations” – By M.A. Grossman. Direct Link: https://www.twincities.com/2018/07/15/a-big-week-for-books-new-poets-of-native-nations-among-5-works-introduced/
28. 11/1/2018: The Boston Banner “Native American poetry playlist” – By Celina Colby
29. 11/26/2019: Stevens Point Journal “For Native Americans, Thanksgiving hides history” – By Talis Shelbourne
30. 6/24/2020: YouTube “Milwaukee's Long History Along the Lake” – Milwaukee Alumni Association. Direct Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mZeh_ROHnw
31. 7/8/2020: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel “'Let's take our daughters and dance': How indigenous communities are showing solidarity with Black Lives Matter in Milwaukee” – By Talis Shelbourne. Direct Link: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/milwaukee/2020/07/08/indigenous-people-show-support-black-lives-mattermilwaukee/5365952002/
32. 6/12/2020: Practices of Hope. Direct Link: https://debbiejlee.com/practices-of-hope-reading-ser ies/ - Direct Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiiKSuNrBww
33. 3/18/2021: The Daily Tribune [Wisconsin Rapids] “Irish stand with Native Americans in revitalizing culture, language” – By Frank Vaisvilas
34. 8/3/2021: CENTER FOR HUMANS & NATURE - Expanding Our Natural & Civic Imagination. Archive Link: https://web.archive.org/web/20210803081950/https://www.humansandnature.org/margaret-noodin
35. 8/3/2021: CENTER FOR HUMANS & NATURE - Expanding Our Natural & Civic Imagination. Archive Link: https://web.archive.org/web/20210803081950/https://www.humansandnature.org/margaret-noodin
36. 3/17/2021: YouTube: World Water Day 2021 Celebration featuring Dr. Noodin’s work as a Water Policy Scholar. Direct Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR_ZLneSrX0
37. 11/16/2021: Poetry Foundation “Su Cho in Conversation with Kimberly Blaeser, Molly McGlennen, and Margaret Noodin”. Direct Link: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/podcasts/156831/su-cho-in-conversation-withkimberly-blaeser-molly-mcglennen-and-margaret-noodin
38. 11/16/2021: Poetry Foundation “Su Cho in Conversation with Kimberly Blaeser, Molly McGlennen, and Margaret Noodin”. Direct Link: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/podcasts/156831/su-cho-in-conversation-withkimberly-blaeser-molly-mcglennen-and-margaret-noodin
39. 5/2021: People from Everywhere: Metis Identity, Kinship and Mobility 1600s-1800s – By Mark Edward Langenfeld. Direct Link: https://dc.uwm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3692&context=etd
40. 2022: NAFPS
41. 2022: NAFPS
42. 2022: NAFPS
43. 2022: NAFPS
44. 2022: NAFPS
45. 2022: NAFPS
46. 2022: NAFPS
47. 2022: NAFPS
48. 4/6/2022: Visibly Indigenous. Direct Link: https://www.milwaukeemag.com/visibly-indigenous-how-milwaukees-native-community-is-working-to-be-un-erased/
49. 4/28/2022: Native Americans of the Great Lakes Region: Lessons of the Land in Indigenous Languages of the Great Lakes. Direct Link: https://www.facebook.com/OsherLifelongLearningInstituteAtUMich/
50. 10/28/2022: Indigenous Knowledges Symposium at Michigan Technological Symposium https://web.archive.org/web/20221101235622/https://www.radioresultsnetwork.com/2022/10/23/indigenous-knowledges-symposium-starts-monday-at-mtu/
51. 2/16/2023: UW-Stout’s Diversity Week, Feb. 20-25, to open with we ARE Carnival. Direct Link: https://www.wispolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/230216UWStout.pdf
52. 4/12/2023: WiscNews "Beaver Dam Community Library welcomes poet Margaret Noodin" - By Jonathan Shipley. Direct Link: https://www.wiscnews.com/community/bdc/article_6c0b3e16-f8e9-59ef-a5a0-d7c0a405d25f.html
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on July 08, 2023, 03:47:52 pm
As I've been working on expanded genealogy for this thread, I continue to come across interesting quotes from Margaret Noodin. This particular quote seems especially relevant and unbelievably ironic. The video has been recorded and saved offline should it ever be removed from YouTube.

YouTube: CRG Fall 2019 Distinguished Guest Lecture - UC Berkeley Events
Direct Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eqEPl9gu80 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eqEPl9gu80)

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Transcription begins at 1:10:24.

Audience Member: I'm curious to know, because I know that you have a website where you have some posted songs and poetry and it's like an accessible way to learn some Anishinaabemowin, and I'm wondering how you feel about people who are not Anishinaabe learning the language. Because I know that this is something that, like, everybody I ask I get a different opinion on. I think that there's definitely some people who are afraid of people from outside of the culture learning it and using it as a way to have ammunition against the culture or make fun of the culture in some way. So, I'm just wondering how you've reckoned with that in your own work since your own work does make it very accessible.

Margaret Noodin: Right. Yeah. Well, two things. One is, us Ojibwe, we totally have just, I mean, been out there with it all the time. it was a lingua franca kind-of in our area. So, that's why you have everything from the Hudson Bay down to the Bay of New Orleans, you know the Mississippi, and all these names that are coming from Ojibwe people. Naming things to the extent that in our own region we called the Ho-Chunk the Winnebago. And they got called that for years till they took back their own name, Ho-chungra. And the Menominee, the Mamaceqtaw, still haven't. They still get called the Menominee ‘cause we called them in the Menominee. You know? And so, I think that you have some culture groups that their role in a ge- - you know- - geopolitical area is one of just telling- - you know- - being the translators, being the talkers, being the guides, - -all the time- - being the traders. So, there's that.

So, on one hand Ojibwe language has been so documented for so many years that that ship has really sailed no matter what anybody says. I mean- - they might think we're gonna- - um-mm- - it's impossible at this point. The other thing is I think that it comes from not knowing it well. Like I have no idea why I would care if anybody knew. I would just be delighted. I'd have one more person to argue with. And like, bring it on. Go ahead. Learn my language! Please! I would love it, right? I mean- - why would I not want that? Why would I not want- - I mean- - everybody to just know it? Right? To me, if we know our own language, well, we have nothing to fear from other people learning it. It's only when we don't feel we have access to it, or we don't have it, that we get really afraid. And- - and say “Don't. Don't do that.”

So, in our state the Menominee- - and there's just one Menominee nation- - they were once terminated by the federal government. Their dictionary is on lockdown. I mean- - they work with one scholar from Madison, and they have a password-protected website. And, I think, until enough Menominee feel confident and comfortable and able to defend their language they just don't want other people learning it as much. And that's their right. I totally respect that. And we have some students in our teacher training program now that do Menominee and at the little school that I partner with we have a Menominee class of kids. And so, in Milwaukee we've got some folks learning it. We've got folks up on the rez. But it isn't one that I would build a great big website, like mine, for- - because it is one that they're little- - it's just more fragile. Ojibwe is in no way fragile <laughs> anymore- - I mean, there are things that I wouldn't put on there. There's all kinds of songs and all sorts of things that I wouldn't put on the website but there's also just so much that we can put there.

So, I hope we've gotten enough people using it or at least through my example we show that we definitely- - we- - we know our language. Go learn it. We'd love to have more people using it. And again- - in Milwaukee where I teach my first-year class, it's about half and half, native and non-native. I mean- - I teach a class at a big public university. What am I gonna say? You- -half of you- - can't learn it. Heck no! I feel like if we would’ve done the right thing we would've told Nicolet to start using it when he landed in Green Bay, you know? <laughs> It's like we'd all be speaking Ojibwe now. I'd be a professor in the Department of Ojibwe and English would be the foreign language. Like, you know? <laughs> Right? I mean it could be that way.

So, I think that's- - that's part of it. Where we all just have to- - think about what it means when we use it. And there's times where we know there's some things we wouldn't put on a big public site. But everything that we put on there is- - is- - we put it there knowing people might find it, and teach with it, and use it, and learn. And that's great. So- - so, yeah, anything found on there people can do- - you know, they always usually email us. And we get- - we've had a guy do an opera in Paris. We've had people put it- - a lot of indigenous folks use it in their classrooms. So, that's good.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on July 13, 2023, 08:38:13 pm
This video from the 2009 Upper Peninsula Indian Education Conference was uploaded 7 months ago. Margaret makes an incredibly specific claim about her great-grandmother being a fluent speaker of the Ojibwe language. She even says that her great-grandmother was afraid to have her kids (Margaret's grandmother) learn the language.

YouTube: 2009 Upper Peninsula Indian Education Conference - Center for Native American Studies, Northern Michigan University
Direct Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQsfRb5QWyk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQsfRb5QWyk)


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Transcription starts at 12:47.

Margaret Noodin: "I've had probably 20 or 30 different teachers in my life that I've been honored to know and spend time with and it's great to see many of them here, but the one thing that they all had in common is that their children did not speak the language. And that was something that after a while - I would learn - they would get to a point in class where we would talk about when they were learning the language and then they would talk about when they were parents. And often it was very emotional for them to share the fact that their own education had made them want to not necessarily pass that language on they would say. Many different teachers have told me “when I went to school knowing the language was bad so when my kids went to school I wanted them to really-really know English, but I wish I had taught them Anishinaabemowin.” Because when you see now in our world we know to know more than one language is great. But that's something that many Elders in my family - -we were talking about in class - - in my family, the last person that spoke the language with fluency was my great-grandmother (unintelligible Anishinaabemowin) and-and, you know, that’s a sad thing that our family for two generations it stopped because she was afraid to have her kids learn it."

This is contradicted by what we know about Margaret's great-grandmother, Elizabeth "Lizzie" Pearl (Myers) Hill. We know that Lizzie lived with her well-documented French-Canadian mother, Agnes Lagrenade, and self-reported father, John Henry Myers. There are solid records placing Lizzie with Agnes Lagrenade and John Henry Myers at the age of 3 years old and beyond. If we give Margaret the benefit of the doubt that a man other than John Henry Myers was Lizzie's father, despite the abundant evidence in this thread that Margaret is not an especially truthful person, that man would have been out of her life by the age of 2 years old. Lizzie is not documented as living in an Ojibwe community or even with an Ojibwe person at any point in time. Lizzie didn't even live anywhere near the Ojibwe until she was 28 years old. How could she have become a fluent speaker? The answer is she couldn't be a fluent speaker and she wasn't a fluent speaker of the Ojibwe language. Lizzie was not Ojibwe. Margaret is not Ojibwe.

Why would Margaret, an alleged Ojibwe expert, not recognize that historical and geographical miracles would be necessary to place an Ojibwe man with Agnes Lagrenade on the East Coast (United States/Canada) in 1883/1884 to conceive Lizzie? The truth is that Margaret's family tree only has one branch that didn’t immigrate from Europe in the 1800s AND has less robust documentation overall – both of which are necessary to create an opening to insert a fictious Ojibwe ancestor. In fact, Margaret’s family is so well-documented that there is only one area of her family tree where an ancestor could potentially be reimagined as Native American. The catch? It requires that John Henry Myers not be the biological father of Elizabeth Pearl Myers. Even if John Henry Myers was not Lizzie's biological father, we would need to ignore history and geography to think that man was anything other than white.
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on October 31, 2023, 05:13:29 pm
The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel published an article about Margaret Noodin's questionable claims of Native American ancestry. It's a well written article and it seems like the authors did their due diligence. I'm incredibly impressed by the people interviewed that spoke out under their real names and the person that brought this story to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's attention.

"Indigenous or pretender? Questions raised about UW-Milwaukee professor who led Native studies institute"
Kelly Meyerhofer, Sarah Volpenhein, and Frank Vaisvilas - Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Published 5:15 a.m. CT Oct. 31, 2023 - Updated 10:02 a.m. CT Oct. 31, 2023
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/education/2023/10/31/uw-milwaukee-professor-margaret-noodin-indigenous-or-pretender-native/70972938007/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/education/2023/10/31/uw-milwaukee-professor-margaret-noodin-indigenous-or-pretender-native/70972938007/)
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on November 01, 2023, 03:44:00 am
This thread contains many quotes from Margaret Noodin speaking at a 2010 Ann Arbor Library event. Only a transcript of the event was available online until today. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel obtained the video and posted it.

Margaret Noodin speaks in 2010 at Ann Arbor library event.
Margaret Noodin speaks in 2010 at Ann Arbor library event. Around the 2:45 minute mark, she says she has "relatives" enrolled in the "Minnesota Chippewa from Grand Portage area" tribe. Video courtesy of Jennifer Bennett.
https://www.jsonline.com/videos/news/education/2023/10/31/margaret-noodin-speaks-in-2010-at-ann-arbor-library-event/71385053007/ (https://www.jsonline.com/videos/news/education/2023/10/31/margaret-noodin-speaks-in-2010-at-ann-arbor-library-event/71385053007/)
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Diana on November 03, 2023, 10:19:51 pm
I'm not able to read the article. It requires a subscription. Can u post the article?

Diana
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on November 03, 2023, 11:08:06 pm
Here's an archive link: https://archive.ph/Wa5fh

I'm not able to read the article. It requires a subscription. Can u post the article?

Diana
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Sparks on November 03, 2023, 11:18:27 pm
I'm not able to read the article. It requires a subscription. Can u post the article?

Even though it's marked "FOR SUBSCRIBERS" I can read it. I was able to copy all the text (including picture captions) so here goes:

https://eu.jsonline.com/story/news/education/2023/10/31/uw-milwaukee-professor-margaret-noodin-indigenous-or-pretender-native/70972938007/

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Indigenous or pretender? Questions raised about UW-Milwaukee professor who led Native studies institute
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee professor Margaret Noodin left her position as head of the Electa Quinney Institute for American Indian Eduction amid accusations that she misrepresented her ancestry. This is a 2019 file photo taken in Bolton Hall on the UWM campus.

Mike De Sisti / Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

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Weeks out from opening day of an Indigenous art exhibit at the Chicago Field Museum last year, Doug Kiel raised an alarm with other curators.

One of the featured artists, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee professor and poet Margaret Noodin, had posted a statement online meant to address long-running questions about whether she was really Native.

But to Kiel, who is a member of the Oneida Nation of Wisconsin, the statement read like an admission she was not Native.

"It’s really quite rambling babble about, ‘I know a person and I was in a ceremony,’ and it’s like, 'No, no, no, no. This is not how this works at all,’” said Kiel, a Native American history professor at Northwestern University.

Kiel said he and other curators considered it a breach of trust that Noodin did not disclose her family history was “full of question marks.” They scrambled to remove her work from the exhibit.

“No matter how you slice it, you have made very big, inexcusable mistakes that legitimately call into question whether you can be trusted to work with Native people and communities,” Kiel wrote in an email to Noodin this spring, which he shared with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. “You have years of amends to start making.”

It was a flashpoint in a now-yearslong controversy over Noodin’s ancestry that ramped up in 2021 after anonymous users of an online forum began accusing Noodin of misleading people about her identity.

Since then, Noodin stepped down from a $167,000-per-year job as director of UWM’s Electa Quinney Institute, which supports Native students and research. She moved out of the Milwaukee metro area and resettled in Minnesota, where she is director of a tribal nation's Head Start program. She still teaches online classes part time at UWM.

At best, Noodin has been accused of not being fully transparent about the extent of her Indigenous heritage. At worst, she has been accused of lying about who she is and building a career around a fictitious Indigenous identity.

The controversy over Noodin’s identity has cast a shadow over her work to revitalize Indigenous languages. It raises questions about who belongs in leadership positions that support Indigenous students, and how universities vet those people.

Noodin, who declined to give an interview for this story but touched on her identity in a 2021 Journal Sentinel interview for an unrelated story, has denied lying about who she is.

Despite admitting she does not have documentation of an Indigenous ancestor, she said she grew up believing she was Indigenous because of what her family told her. She cannot point definitively to a tribal nation she is descended from but has spent years learning the Ojibwe language and forging connections with Indigenous communities.

"Throughout my life I have tried to continually increase my knowledge of my own family and the communities where I am welcome and included," she said in a statement for this story. "During my life I have listened to relatives, friends and elders who asked that I use my gifts and creativity to honor all of my ancestors without denial or erasure of oral family histories.”

Emails obtained by the Journal Sentinel show UWM officials privately backed Noodin and tried sidestepping the controversy until the news organization began asking questions this spring. In response to a public records request, UWM indicated in August it had opened an investigation into Noodin.

UWM declined to make administrators available for an interview but said it is “aware of and troubled by” the allegations against Noodin.

“Our students and communities must trust that we are honest and authentic in our work,” the statement said.

Critics of UWM professor Margaret Noodin feel 'betrayed'

Noodin began teaching at UWM in 2013, after many years as an Ojibwe language instructor in Michigan. She received tenure in 2016.

A year after arriving at UW-Milwaukee, Margaret Noodin was promoted to lead the university's Electa Quinney Institute, which supports Native students and research. 
Jens Zorn

The online posts accusing Noodin of lying about her identity began in 2021, on a forum called New Age Fraud.

The following year, Noodin brought the anonymous accusations to the attention of several UWM administrators, emails show. Noodin said the accusers have “been trying for nearly a year to get me fired” and questioned whether it had reached the point of defamation.

In March 2022, she posted a "positionality" statement online, meant to clarify her racial and ethnic identity. She also responded on the forum to users.

“The fact that I haven’t really been misrepresenting myself seems to set off even more fury,” she told UWM officials in an email.

Scott Gronert, dean of the College of Letters and Science, wrote back with an apology for “having to deal with these challenges to your identity, which you have so openly addressed in your recent posts and throughout your time at UWM.”

But at least some students didn't feel Noodin had been transparent.

Antonio Doxtator, a two-time UWM graduate who took two of her Ojibwe language classes, was stunned to read her statement. To him, it was confirmation Noodin had little, if any, Indigenous ancestry.

“I felt betrayed,” said Doxtator, an Oneida Nation citizen. “I never would have taken her classes if I’d known she wasn’t Native.”

Two other former students who are tribal members described feeling uncomfortable in classes or avoiding campus events because of their suspicions, even before 2021, that Noodin was not Native. They spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation from Noodin or her supporters.

Some of Noodin's former colleagues, like University of Michigan instructor Howard Kimewon, felt similarly betrayed. The two taught Ojibwe language classes together in Michigan.

Kimewon told the Journal Sentinel he felt like Noodin took advantage of him and used him for his knowledge of Ojibwe, his first language, to publish books together and further her career. He said he doesn’t believe Noodin is helping people, going so far as to call her a “con artist.”

“She did enough damage to me,” he said. “I can’t forget it.”

Martina Osawamick, of the Wiikwemkoong First Nation in Ontario, worked with Noodin at a nonprofit for preserving the nation's languages and culture. She said Noodin implied she was Native and was “appalled” to learn Noodin hadn’t been forthcoming about her identity.

“It’s absolutely not right for people to be doing this,” she said. “It’s disturbing.”

Who can claim Indigeneity?

Noodin’s case comes in the midst of an ongoing debate in Indian Country about race-shifting, fraud and “pretendians,” or people who falsely portray themselves as having Indigenous ancestry.

Madison arts leader Kay LeClaire was exposed earlier this year on the same online forum for allegedly fabricating an Indigenous identity and building a career around it.

Other prominent examples include ethnic studies scholar Andrea Smith, whose claims to Cherokee heritage have been contested repeatedly, and University of California, Berkeley professor Elizabeth Hoover, who admitted to wrongly identifying as Native. U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren was criticized for previously claiming she was Native and relying on family stories of Cherokee and Delaware ancestors.

“It does harm because they are taking the microphone from Indigenous people who are perfectly capable of representing themselves,” said Ojibwe language expert Anton Treuer. “It can damage the faith that people have in whatever activity that person is associated with.”

The questions around who can call themselves Indigenous are complex.

In the U.S., one way Indigenous people identify themselves is through enrollment as a citizen in a recognized tribe.

But not everyone who comes from Indigenous ancestry qualifies for enrollment in a tribe. Many tribes still use “blood quantum” to decide who qualifies for enrollment, a controversial standard that requires a minimum percentage of tribal blood and has origins in federal efforts to disenfranchise Native peoples.

Other tribes do not use blood quantum, and only require members have proof of descent from a tribal member.

Even so, some Indigenous people lack definitive proof of their ancestry. Centuries of federal efforts to forcibly remove Native Americans from their homelands and assimilate them into white society have eroded their ties to tribal communities and caused many to lose connection with their cultures.

But critics of Noodin say that is not Noodin’s story.

"Unverified claims to Indigenous communities is not sufficient, not for an Indigenous studies expert, for a scholar in the field," said Kiel, the museum curator.

Noodin in a portrait taken by a UWM photographer. 
TROYE FOX, UW-MILWAUKEE

'We don't have any evidence'

Born Margaret O’Donnell, Noodin was raised in Chaska, Minnesota, a suburb of the Twin Cities.

She told the Journal Sentinel she grew up believing she was Native American partly because of family stories of boarding school and an older relative who spoke Ojibwe words and phrases. The Ojibwe people, also known as Chippewa, are a culture of Native peoples spread across the northern U.S. and Canada.

Noodin studied at the University of Minnesota and wrote for a Native newspaper, The Circle. She earned her doctorate in 2001. Her thesis was on Native American literature.

Afterward, she began teaching Ojibwe at Michigan universities and publishing books and poetry in the language.

Shortly before leaving for UWM, she changed her last name from her married name of Noori to Noodin, an Ojibwe name meaning “windy."

In online publications and newspaper articles, Noodin often identified as an Ojibwe descendant without specifying which of the dozens of existing Ojibwe tribes she was supposedly descended from. When she did identify a tribe, she sometimes used vague language, saying she was “affiliated with” or “connected with” that tribe. Over time, she has claimed affiliations with different Ojibwe tribes and with Métis peoples in Canada.

More recently, she has also begun to note her Irish, French and English ancestry.

Noodin has claimed in online posts her Ojibwe ancestry stems from a great-great-grandfather on her father’s side, named Henri Lavallee, but she has provided no documentation of his existence. Early 20th-century marriage records for that family line list a different person as her great-great-grandfather.

“If I can find more records on Henri Lavallee, that would be great,” Noodin told the Journal Sentinel in 2021.

Noodin has acknowledged neither she nor her parents or grandparents are enrolled citizens of a tribe. Yet in a 2010 presentation at a Michigan library, Noodin claimed unspecified members of her family had been "enrolled" in the “Minnesota Chippewa from Grand Portage area.”

Margaret Noodin speaks in 2010 at Ann Arbor library event.

Margaret Noodin speaks in 2010 at Ann Arbor library event. Around the 2:45 minute mark, she says she has "relatives" enrolled in the "Minnesota Chippewa from Grand Portage area" tribe. Video courtesy of Jennifer Bennett.

In 2021, Noodin said she believed she could have been descended from either the Grand Portage Band of Lake Superior Chippewa or the Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe, which are both part of the overarching Minnesota Chippewa Tribe.

“I’ve spent a lot of times near those reservations and had elders there work with me to, kind of, figure (it) out. But we don’t have any evidence,” Noodin said then.

Noodin’s mother declined to be interviewed for this story. Her father could not be reached.

Noodin does not fit the criteria for enrollment in either the Grand Portage or Mille Lacs nations and has not received a letter of descendancy, according to Karen Pemberton, of Minnesota Chippewa Tribe's enrollment department.

The Minnesota Chippewa Tribe had no record of a Henri Lavallee or the great-grandparents on that side of the family, Pemberton added.

Grand Portage Chairman Robert Deschampe did not respond to calls or emails seeking comment. Noodin was hired by the tribe earlier this year to lead its Head Start program.

In another example of Noodin's inconsistent explanations, she said in 2009 her great-grandmother — four generations removed — was the last person in her family to speak Ojibwe fluently. But in 2020, Noodin claimed it had been "five generations since anybody in my family was fluent in the language."

Lack of records not an issue, Margaret Noodin's supporters say

Noodin’s supporters said the lack of definitive records or clear family lines doesn’t matter if the tribal community accepts her as one of their own. They said enrollment and genealogical records are often incomplete, inaccurate or tied to colonial systems designed to erase Indigenous peoples’ very existence.

UW-Milwaukee professor Mark Freeland, whom Noodin helped recruit to succeed her as director of the Electa Quinney Institute, said too often written records are seen as more accurate than spoken family histories.

“I think she has a family narrative, as many people do, and is utilizing that to engage with her community,” he said. “This is not some new career person trying to get ahead. This is somebody who’s been day in, day out working tirelessly to engage.”

Mark Freeland, right, succeeded Noodin as director of the Electa Quinney Institute, which supports Native students and research on Indigenous languages and culture. The two stand in a fire circle in front of Merrill Hall in 2022.  Show less
Elora Hennessey/UWM Photo
Tish Keahna, a member of the Meskwaki Nation, met Noodin decades ago when Noodin worked at The Circle, the Native newspaper in Minnesota. She said Noodin was clear she didn’t know exactly where her Indigenous family was from.

“My understanding is that her grandmother spoke Ojibwe,” she said. “If you’re somebody in the middle of the last century who speaks Ojibwe, and you’re female, that’s a big Ojibwe flag. That’s an indicator of community connection.”

Keahna knows of people who have pretended to be Native, but she believes Noodin is not one of them. She said Noodin is committed to her community and has worked to repair long-lost connections.

“Why are we punishing people who want to come home?” she said.

Some Native scholars say being accepted as kin by an Indigenous community is not the same as having Indigenous ancestry. They also say individuals who have lost touch with their Indigenous roots can at least point to clear family connections within Indigenous communities.

"If you’re an Indigenous person, where is your family?" said Kiel, the museum curator. "Where are the other people who are going to come forward and say, ‘Yeah, I’m a member of such-and-such an Ojibwe nation, and she’s one of my cousins'? It should be as simple as that."

Jill Doerfler, head of the American Indian Studies department at the University of Minnesota-Duluth, believes it's inappropriate for anyone to claim they are Native without knowing who in their family was an enrolled tribal citizen. She introduces herself as the daughter of an enrolled White Earth Nation citizen.

“Native people understand the need for specificity,” she said.

Noodin bolstered Indigenous studies program at UW-Milwaukee

Supporters also point to Noodin's track record of supporting Native studies at UWM.

Before her arrival a decade ago, the university’s Ojibwe language offerings were rudimentary, said former professor and Native studies coordinator Cary Miller. A Native elder taught introductory classes on part-time basis. After the elder's death, Miller pushed administrators to hire a full-time faculty member.

UWM records show Noodin was recruited as a “target of opportunity” hire, which meant the university could recruit her directly and bypass the typical nationwide search process.

Target opportunity programs have been used in higher education for decades primarily as a way to diversify faculty ranks.

UW-Milwaukee said Noodin was not hired through the target opportunity program based on her identity, but because of her academic credentials and expertise in Ojibwe.

The pool of people who speak Ojibwe, a severely endangered language, is small. The pool of those who speak it and have a doctorate is even smaller.

Noodin can be seen participating in a jingle healing dance in the background of this photo. 
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Noodin brought a unique skill set that went beyond teaching and research, Miller said. She had a knack for budgets and bureaucracy.

In 2015, state budget cuts put Indigenous student services potentially on the chopping block, Miller recalled. Noodin made the case to keep the Native student support offices by calculating how much tuition money tribally funded students from Wisconsin brought in, more than justifying the few advising positions for them.

“She went to bat for Indigenous programs at the university on a huge scale," Miller said.

Recruiting and retaining Indigenous staff was also a priority. When Miller, for example, received an offer from another university, she said Noodin contributed some of her own research funds for the counteroffer to try to keep her.

Noodin also secured millions in grant money for research. Of a dozen grant applications reviewed by the Journal Sentinel, she identified as Native in two of them.

In one application for a project on Native folk music, Noodin described herself as “Pine Marten Clan and a descendant of the Grand Portage Band of Lake Superior Chippewa and the Métis Nation.” The National Endowment for the Arts, a federal agency, awarded $10,000.

In a second application for environmental-related research money, she described herself as "Native." The application was not funded.

Vetting processes differ among universities

At the time of Noodin's hiring, UWM made no extensive effort to confirm her ancestry. Like most all American universities, UWM’s policy at the time was — and still is — self-declaration, where individuals claim Native ancestry and schools largely take them at their word.

Miller recalled Noodin sharing during the hiring process that she wasn’t enrolled in a tribe but said she was recognized as a descendant. Later, Noodin suggested her descendancy went back six or seven generations, according to Miller.

“I probably would not claim it quite as firmly as she had,” Miller said. “But I also don't think there was a firm messaging out there to suggest that she couldn't.”

That’s changing, at least in Canada, where Miller now works for the University of Manitoba.

Canadian institutions are moving away from self-declaration policies and toward policies developed in consultation with Indigenous communities that require additional proof. Queen’s University in Ontario created an Indigenous Oversight Council to provide guidance on identity issues, and the University of Saskatchewan has a document verification process.

“It's unfortunate that we have to do this, but it is a self-identification free-for-all out there,” said Kim TallBear, a Native studies professor at the University of Alberta. “You’ve got a lot of people out there doing things like Margaret Noodin is accused of doing, who are appropriating and stealing resources as a form of theft.”

Freeland, Noodin’s successor at UWM, sees the Canadian policies as a step in the wrong direction.


Mark Freeland leads the Electa Quinney Institute at UW-Milwaukee. 
Elora Lee Hennessey / UWM Photo Services
Freeland and other Noodin supporters believe there is a small group of individuals over-policing Native identities. This creates real harm, they say, by discouraging people whose families have lost connections to their Indigenous roots from re-connecting.

“Is self-identification error-free?” he said. “Absolutely not, but it is conducive to us being good Indigenous people, treating one another well.”

Doxtator, one of Noodin’s former students, said UWM is responsible for vetting staff and failed to do so, which in turn failed him as a student.

Another former Noodin student, Jeneile Luebke, doesn’t know how to feel. She remembers Noodin taking time out of her day to attend Luebke’s doctoral dissertation defense. She said she will continue to support Noodin, as the professor did for her.

However, Luebke is troubled by Noodin’s inability to provide evidence of her Indigenous ancestry. She feels people should be transparent about who they are.

“If she was knowingly being deceptive, I feel she owes the community an apology and should work to restore trust and make up for damage with the community,” she said. “It’s really on her to figure that out.”

Contact Kelly Meyerhofer at kmeyerhofer@gannett.com or 414-223-5168 and follow her on X at @KellyMeyerhofer. Contact Sarah Volpenhein at svolpenhei@gannett.com or 414-607-2159 and follow her on X at @SarahVolp. Contact Frank Vaisvilas at fvaisvilas@gannett.com or 815-260-2262 and follow him on X at @vaisvilas_frank.

The photos are not shown in my quote. There are also more than twenty underlined links in the article.

[Edit: Advanced Smite posted an archive link while I was typing. Amazing! The underlined links there are not clickable, though.]
Title: Re: Margaret Noodin, Professor
Post by: Advanced Smite on November 04, 2023, 03:27:44 am
The most surprising and, at the same time, least surprising information in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article:
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Emails obtained by the Journal Sentinel show UWM officials privately backed Noodin and tried sidestepping the controversy until the news organization began asking questions this spring. In response to a public records request, UWM indicated in August it had opened an investigation into Noodin.

UWM declined to make administrators available for an interview but said it is “aware of and troubled by” the allegations against Noodin.

“Our students and communities must trust that we are honest and authentic in our work,” the statement said.
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“The fact that I haven’t really been misrepresenting myself seems to set off even more fury,” she told UWM officials in an email.

Scott Gronert, dean of the College of Letters and Science, wrote back with an apology for “having to deal with these challenges to your identity, which you have so openly addressed in your recent posts and throughout your time at UWM.”

Margaret is the most significant case of ethnic fraud within the University of Wisconsin System, based on title/position, to be exposed by the media thus far. C.V. Vitolo-Haddad was a teaching assistant and Kay LeClaire was only in an LTE position. That's UW-Milwaukee: 1, UW-Madison:2

The number could change at anytime though...

Check out the NAFPs thread for Professor Ahna Skop, UW-Madison: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=5641.0.

Ahna Skop received the UW Outstanding Woman of Color Award in 2019. Seriously. I can't believe someone hasn't picked up that story yet. 

After the Kay LeClaire thread went viral, in addition to Ahna Skop, I received emails about two other faculty/staff at UW-Madison. One is in DEI and the other is an Associate Professor.

UW-Madison has a list of Indigenous faculty/staff for students to use as a support resource: https://tribalrelations.wisc.edu/resources/native-students/

All but three people on that list will have no problem explaining their connection. I imagine the other three will find it quite difficult.