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Title: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Yar Spar on August 22, 2017, 06:19:50 pm
Did some deep digging and the internet provided quite a lot of information about Shore Charnoe.

Shore Charnoe and her partner have been active in the 8 Shields/Art of Mentoring Community for years, and are treated like Elders. She presents herself as a self proclaimed "Medicine Person" and an Indigenous woman. She works as a public speaker, and holds workshops on "Indigenous teachings". She promotes herself as Métis, but no community claims her, nor does she directly address her specific heritage. Her father started a commune in California and had hundreds of followers and his background is quite infamous (below) but her mother's is unknown.

Through her organization, The Circle for Change, she runs workshops that offer teachings such as, "The Principles of Indigenous Medicine", "Journey of a Medicine Person", "Understanding Physical and Spiritual Health from an Indigenous Perspective". But no where does it give a specific tradition, just a sort of pan-Indigenous generality. She asks for payment  by donation but then writes, that if you spend $20 on dinner, or $90 dollars on a one hour appointment with a health practitioner, how much would her weekend workshop be worth? SO she insinuates hundreds of dollars.
 It seems like pretty much all of her work is with and for non-Indigenous people, and selling them these "Indigenous" teachings.

She also was a part of the Indigenous Peoples' United Nations, whose website is now defunct, but the IPUN and it's members' legitimacy has been questioned in this forum.
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Shore is the daughter of American Donald Hamrick (1935- 2011), a famous founder/leader of the Harbinger Commune (a California commune from the 60's that promoted communal living, public sex and nudity, use of psychedelics, and had 150 followers, now know as Harbin Hot Springs, a new age centre). He had 6 children, and moved up to Canada and changed his name to Zeera Charnoe. There is a lot of information on Hamrick (aka Charnoe) and Harbinger available on the internet, including links at the bottom of this page. There's also some strange accusations of him working for the CIA.

In a message on Charnoe's facebook page from Zee Charnoe, it reads:
     -  "July, in Aberdeen, Scotland, you entered my life. Thank you for coming. Now, a new home, in the same city, where
         we live. Thank you for coming. Have a wonderful birthday sweetheart. Love Dad"

https://www.thecircleforchange.com/ (https://www.thecircleforchange.com/)
Her bio on the website from the organization that she started and now runs workshops though reads like this...
 
"Program founder Shore Charnoe is a Métis woman who received her Bachelor of Social Work degree from Ryerson University in Partnership with First Nations Technical Institute in Canada in 2017 after more than 20 years of serving as a foster parent, adoptive parent, family and children’s mentor, volunteer for children’s aid societies, and consultant for child welfare organizations.
Shore also holds an interdisciplinary Honors Bachelors degree from the University of Guelph, with an emphasis in philosophy of education, developmental psychology, and environmental science.
Shore founded The Circle for Change in Brantford, Ontario in 2013.
Shore is a high-functioning autistic woman who has personally overcome many physical limitations, enabling her to have a special connection with the children and parents she serves. She is a mother to 11 adopted and biological children and a grandmother to four, and has been a foster parent or mentor to more than 80 children and youth.  A number of her adoptive children have fetal alcohol syndrome and come from abusive homes where they were victims of severe abuse, neglect, and trauma."

https://www.youtube.com/wach?v=m0VsRqVUP4Y (https://www.youtube.com/wach?v=m0VsRqVUP4Y)

In the above video Shore shares drum songs from different cultures, speaks about fostering Indigenous children, and makes references to all sorts of different Indigenous cultures and teachings, meanwhile never directly introducing or addressing her own heritage or community.

     - Says "One of the places that I have a lot of teachers in is the Anishinaabe tradition", and then starts talking about
      Anishinaabe as"we" though she is not Anishinaabe.

     - Also "Just so you know, I'm a little bit of a trickster, I've had a lot of coyote teachings over the years, and so we
       teach invisibly"... but then have to explain that you're teaching invisibly??

     - I did home schooling, out on the land - , but maybe that was
       just the Harbinger Commune or elsewhere?

https://www.brantnews.com/news-story/5803099-imitation-indeed-sincere-flattery-for-camp-unity/ (https://www.brantnews.com/news-story/5803099-imitation-indeed-sincere-flattery-for-camp-unity/)

__________________________________________________________________________________________________
Information on Donald Hamrick aka Zeera (Zee) Charnoe

http://donaldjameshamrick.yolasite.com/personal-life.php (http://donaldjameshamrick.yolasite.com/personal-life.php)

http://donaldjameshamrick.yolasite.com/resources/Harbinger%20Community,%20for%20Wikibin,%20May20-11.pdf (http://donaldjameshamrick.yolasite.com/resources/Harbinger%20Community,%20for%20Wikibin,%20May20-11.pdf)

https://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/ky833dv5228 (https://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/ky833dv5228)

https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=79719022 (https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=79719022)
_________________________________________________________________________________________________
Some of her siblings are: Sky Charnoe, Bryce Card, Lois Cordova, Jill Marie Hamrick (deceased).
She also has a cousin named J Paul Hawthorne who's a genealogist in California who may have more info.
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Piff on August 23, 2017, 03:13:36 am
 "Just so you know, I'm a little bit of a trickster, I've had a lot of coyote teachings over the years, and so we teach invisibly"

Whoa, that is several red flags right there.

So many frauds make claims like that. "Crazy wisdom", "trickster", "coyote medicine" ... all can be used as an excuse to be abusive, to lie, to not answer direct questions, and to get money for nothing.
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Piff on August 23, 2017, 03:39:32 am
Her father Donald J Hamrick was born in California. His mother born in Utah, father California. Everyone white in the 1940 census.

Clicking through the Find a Grave memorial links https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=79719022 - that represents quite a bit of genealogy work, I think it is safe to say that she is not a "Métis woman" on her father's side.

Here are the conspiracy/CIA claims https://web.archive.org/web/20170823033149/https://spidercatweb.blog/2016/12/16/harbint-part-1/ - looks like Shore's mother might be named Jennifer. If we can find out her mother's birth name, we might be able to check out her heritage too.

Since no community claims her, that is most important.

Since there already are weird conspiracy claims about her father, I wonder if this thread will eventually become lively.
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Piff on August 23, 2017, 04:01:20 am
Susan Jennifer Gray Charnoe was married to Zee Charnoe, she promotes Shore's work on her own Facebook page, so I assume she is Shore's mother.
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Piff on August 23, 2017, 03:00:44 pm
Susan Jennifer Gray Charnoe was married to Zee Charnoe, she promotes Shore's work on her own Facebook page, so I assume she is Shore's mother.

And .... I believe I assumed incorrectly. Don't know Shore's maternal line yet.
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Yar Spar on August 23, 2017, 03:43:27 pm
Yeah, I don't think that is her mother. I think her father had different kids with a few different wives. He does say that she was born in Scotland though on that FB message.

Who knows, it could be true or not that her mother could have Métis heritage, but beyond blood, she's very publically representing herself as a Métis woman but never specifically referencing where she's from, and selling these kind of non-specific Pan-Indigenous teachings, speaking to groups and giving talks as an Indigenous person but referring to all sorts of different teachings from different cultures, and seemingly marketing it all to predominantly non-Indigenous audiences.


Here is the link for her talk, the one I posted above didn't work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0VsRqVUP4Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0VsRqVUP4Y)
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Piff on August 23, 2017, 07:55:32 pm
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The The Circle For Change is currently not registered as a non-profit

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If you would like to make a tax-deductible contribution, you can earmark your support for Shore Charnoe through the Grandmother – Elder Fellowship Fund, which is part of the Tribal Trust Foundation

https://www.thecircleforchange.com/contribute/

https://www.tribaltrustfoundation.org/grandmothers-fellowship/
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Diana on August 29, 2017, 02:59:09 am
Here is Shore Charnoe's father Donald Hamrick's genalogy from the 1940's census. As you can see he's white as is his parents. I've gone back as far as the 1860's on his father's side Elmer Hamrick. They are all white. I will be posting his fathers side of the family today and will be going as far as the great great grandparents.




Donald J Hamrick
in the 1940 United States Federal Census
VIEW 1940 United States Federal Census

Name:   Donald J Hamrick
Age:   4
Estimated birth year:   abt 1936
Gender:   Male
Race:   White
Birthplace:   California
Marital Status:   Single
Relation to Head of House:   Son
Home in 1940:   Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California
Map of Home in 1940:   View Map
Street:   E 94
House Number:   355
Sheet Number:   11A
Attended School or College:   No
Highest Grade Completed:   None
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Elmer G Hamrick   25
Donna Hamrick   25
Donald J Hamrick   4

Source Citation
Year: 1940; Census Place: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California; Roll: T627_429; Page: 11A; Enumeration District: 60-1215
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1940 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2012.
Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Sixteenth Census of the United States, 1940. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1940. T627, 4,643 rolls.
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Diana on August 29, 2017, 03:45:45 am
Here's Donald Hamrick's father and Shore Charnoe's grandfather Elmer Hamrick. Now, in the 1940 census it says he was born in California, he was not. As you can see from his death records and the 1920 census he was born in Texas. And is white. In this census it says his mother Lillian Hamrick was a widow, she was not, she was divorced. I've also posted a 1910 census with Elmer Hamrick's father George. As you can see it is the same family but a b has been added and the name is Hambrick. In several censuses the census taker had made the same mistake.


https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=18492280&ref=acom


Elmer George Hamrick
in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current

Name:   Elmer George Hamrick
Birth Date:   4 Nov 1912
Birth Place:   Houston, Harris County, Texas, United States of America
Death Date:   24 Nov 1982
Death Place:   United States of America
Cemetery:   Sanger Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place:   Sanger, Fresno County, California, United States of America
Has Bio?:   N
Spouse:   Donna Hamrick
URL:   http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-...


Elmer Hamrick
in the 1920 United States Federal Census
VIEW 1920 United States Federal Census


Name: Elmer Hamrick
Age:   7
Birth Year:   abt 1913
[abt 1912]
Birthplace:   Texas
Home in 1920:   Houston Ward 3, Harris, Texas
Street:   Fannin
Residence Date:   1920
Race:   White
Gender:   Male
Relation to Head of House:   Son
Marital Status:   Single
Father's Birthplace:   Alabama
Mother's name:   Lillian Hamrick
Mother's Birthplace:   North Carolina
Attended School:   Yes
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Lillian Hamrick   42
Oscar Hamrick   17
Myrtle Hamrick   15
Lillian Hamrick   13
Bertha Hamrick   12
Marguerite Hamrick   10
Harriet Hamrick   9
Elmer Hamrick   7
Charley Clark   33
Grace Clark   21
Lillian Clark   1
May M Colley   35
Winifred Colley   15
F E Pye   40
Francis Preston   28
Herbert Preston   33
SAVE & CREATE TREE   Cancel
Source Citation
Year: 1920; Census Place: Houston Ward 3, Harris, Texas; Roll: T625_1813; Page: 8A; Enumeration District: 50

Geo T Hambrick

the 1910 United States Federal Census
VIEW 1910 United States Federal Census

Name:   Geo T Hambrick
[Geo T Hamrick]
Age in 1910:   40
Birth Year:   abt 1870
Birthplace:   Alabama
Home in 1910:   Houston Ward 3, Harris, Texas
Street:   Crawford
House Number:   3009
Race:   White
Gender:   Male
Relation to Head of House:   Head
Marital Status:   Married
Spouse's Name:   L A Hambrick
Father's Birthplace:   Mississippi
Mother's Birthplace:   Alabama
Native Tongue:   English
Occupation:   Traveling Salesman
Industry:   Furniture
Employer, Employee or Other:   Wage Earner
Home Owned or Rented:   Rent
Farm or House:   House
Able to Read:   Yes
Able to Write:   Yes
Years Married:   17
Out of Work:   N
Number of weeks out of work:   0
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Geo T Hambrick   40
L A Hambrick   33
Harry Hambrick   14
Grace Hambrick   12
Frankie Hambrick   10
Oscar Hambrick   8
Myrtle Hambrick   5
Lillian Hambrick   4
Bertha Hambrick   2
Margurite Hambrick   1
Jim Jackson   47
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Diana on August 29, 2017, 05:55:31 am
Here's Elmer Hamricks mother Lillian Hamrick in the 1910 census a find a grave obit. She had lived a very interesting life and died in 1927. So far we are at the great grandparents and as you can see at the end of this census George Hamrick's mother is living with them Margaret Hamrick. She would be Shore Charnoe's great great grandmother and is also white. I've also added Margaret's husband William H. Hamrick. We are at the 1840's now and all white and almost all from the south.


https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=10810299&ref=com

and her

Alice Lilian Hamrick

in the 1900 United States Federal Census
VIEW 1900 United States Federal Census

Name:   Alice Lilian Hamrick
Age:   23
Birth Date:   Mar 1877
Birthplace:   North Carolina
Home in 1900:   Birmingham Ward 6, Jefferson, Alabama
Ward of City:   6
Street:   25 St South
House Number:   704
Sheet Number:   9A
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation:   153
Family Number:   207
Race:   White
Gender:   Female
Relation to Head of House:   Wife
Marital Status:   Married
Spouse's Name:   Geo P Hamrick
Marriage Year:   1893
Years Married:   7
Father's Birthplace:   Maine
Mother's Birthplace:   North Carolina
Mother: number of living children:   3
Mother: How many children:   3
Months not employed:   0
Can Read:   Yes
Can Write:   Yes
Can Speak English:   Yes
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Geo P Hamrick   30
Alice Lilian Hamrick   23
William Harry Hamrick   4
Ora Gracie Hamrick   2
Frances M E Hamrick   5/12
Kate Nellie Hamrick   18
Margaret E Hamrick   53



Margaret E Hamrick

in the 1900 United States Federal Census
VIEW 1900 United States Federal Census

Name:   Margaret E Hamrick
Age:   53
Birth Date:   May 1847
Birthplace:   Alabama
Home in 1900:   Birmingham Ward 6, Jefferson, Alabama
Ward of City:   6
Street:   25 St South
House Number:   704
Sheet Number:   9A
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation:   153
Family Number:   207
Race:   White
Gender:   Female
Relation to Head of House:   Mother
Marital Status:   Widowed
Mother's Birthplace:   Alabama
Mother: number of living children:   6
Mother: How many children:   11
Can Read:   Yes
Can Write:   Yes
Can Speak English:   Yes
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Geo P Hamrick   30
Alice Lilian Hamrick   23
William Harry Hamrick   4
Ora Gracie Hamrick   2
Frances M E Hamrick   5/12
Kate Nellie Hamrick   18
Margaret E Hamrick


William Hamrick

in the 1870 United States Federal Census
VIEW 1870 United States Federal Census

Name:   William Hamrick
Age in 1870:   29
Birth Year:   abt 1841
Birthplace:   Georgia
Dwelling Number:   42
Home in 1870:   Beat 3, Shelby, Alabama
Race:   White
Gender:   Male
Occupation:   Wheel Eight
Male Citizen Over 21:   Y
Personal Estate Value:   200
Real Estate Value:   150
Household Members:   
Name   Age
William Hamrick   29
Margaret E Hamrick   20
John H Hamrick   4
Sarah J Hamrick   3
John Hamrick   4/12
Source Citation
Year: 1870; Census Place: Beat 3, Shelby, Alabama; Roll: M593_39; Page: 422B; Family History Library Film: 54
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Diana on August 29, 2017, 06:25:38 am
Now for Lillian Hamrick's parents William and Nancy Foster. I actually went back to all 3rd great grandparents on both sides all born in the 1810s to 1815s. In the 1860's census they don't have race because they only counted the white people. We're at 200 years now for this Shore Charnoe and everyone on her father's side is white. I'll post her mother's side tomorrow.


William Foster

in the 1880 United States Federal Census
VIEW 1880 United States Federal Census

Name:   William Foster
Age:   35
Birth Date:   Abt 1845
Birthplace:   Maine
Home in 1880:   Jersey City, Hudson, New Jersey, USA
Street:   Newark Avenue
House Number:   181
Dwelling Number:   30
Race:   White
Gender:   Male
Relation to Head of House:   Self (Head)
Marital Status:   Married
Spouse's Name:   Nancy Foster
Father's Birthplace:   Rhode Island
Mother's Birthplace:   Rhode Island
Occupation:   Tailor
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
William Foster   35
Nancy Foster   25
George Foster   10
Charles Foster   4
Lillie Foster   3
Herbert Foster   2

Source Citation
Year: 1880; Census Place: Jersey City, Hudson, New Jersey; Roll: 783; Family History Film: 1254783; Page: 442B; Enumeration District: 016

Nancy Foster

1880 United States Federal Census
VIEW 1880 United States Federal Census

Name:   Nancy Foster
Age:   25
Birth Date:   Abt 1855
Birthplace:   North Carolina
Home in 1880:   Jersey City, Hudson, New Jersey, USA
Street:   Newark Avenue
House Number:   181
Dwelling Number:   30
Race:   White
Gender:   Female
Relation to Head of House:   Wife
Marital Status:   Married
Spouse's Name:   William Foster
Father's Birthplace:   North Carolina
Mother's Birthplace:   North Carolina
Occupation:   Keeping House
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
William Foster   35
Nancy Foster   25
George Foster   10
Charles Foster   4
Lillie Foster   3
Herbert Foster   2
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Yar Spar on August 30, 2017, 03:11:24 am
Do we know who her mother is though? Don't think it's Susan Jennifer Gray Charnoe...
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Diana on August 30, 2017, 06:09:18 am
Yes, I do know who her mother is and all her relatives going back several generations. They are all white.

I know I said I was going to post her mother's side of the family today, but got a little distracted. I promise I will post it in the next day or two.



Do we know who her mother is though? Don't think it's Susan Jennifer Gray Charnoe...
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: educatedindian on September 01, 2017, 01:51:02 am
Gerald McLaren, the elderly white guy posing as Navajo here.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=5038.0

He sent a defense of Charnoe:

"It is real life experience that counts, and makes you "Native".

I see you have slandered and hurt some real good people are are doing some real good."

I didn't change that, it's exactly as he wrote it. Which leaves open the question of whether he personally knows or is tied to Charnoe.

The rest of his long email was a rant insisting real NDNs live in the country, no doubt taken from Stereotypes R Us.
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Diana on September 01, 2017, 07:10:47 am
Ok, here's a record of Donald Hamrick's marriages and divorces. His first marraige was to Jonna Lee Wagner, Shore Charnoe's mother. They had 5 children, two are dead. His second marriage was to a woman named Hila Zein Charnoe. I don't have a marriage record for them, but I believe they were married in Denmark. I got that information from a family tree that was made public in Ancesty.com. Also in this family tree they have Donald Hamrick marrying 5 days later to Susan Jennifer Gray. I can't find any marriage records for them under Hamrick,  Charnoe or Gray. So I suspect maybe they weren't married. What is also strange is his second marriage, in the divorce record the wife's last name is Charnoe, but his last name is still Hamrick. I don't know if Donald Hamrick took his second wife's last name of Charnoe. Piff said she couldn't find no legal name change for Donald hamrick in America or Canada.



Donald Hamrick

in the Oregon, Marriage Indexes, 1906-2009
VIEW Oregon, Marriage Indexes, 1906-2009

Name:   Donald Hamrick
Gender:   Male
Marriage Date:   15 Jun 1954
Marriage Place:   Lane, Oregon, USA
Spouse:   Jonna Wagner


Donald J Hamrick

in the California, Divorce Index, 1966-1984
VIEW California, Divorce Index, 1966-1984

Name:   Donald J Hamrick
Spouse Name:   Johna L Wagner
Location:   Alameda City
Date:   Nov 1969



Donald James Hamrick

in the Nevada, Divorce Records, 1968-2015

Name:   Donald James Hamrick
Record Type:   Plaintiff
Divorce Date:   10 Sep 1990
Divorce Place:   Washoe, Nevada, USA
Spouse:   Hila Zein Charnoe
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Diana on September 01, 2017, 07:19:33 am
Quote
Piff said she couldn't find no legal name change for Donald Hamrick in America or Canada

Lol! I meant to say "Piff said she couldn't find any legal name change for Donald Hamrick in America or Canada"

This is what happens when you post while watching the late show after midnight.  :o
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Diana on September 01, 2017, 08:18:52 am
Here's Shore Charnoe's Mother's geneolgy. Jonna Lee Wagner Hamrick. This is Jonna Wagner's father's side of the family. I'm only going to go back to the great grandparents. We're in the 1870's and 1880's and I've looked at the great great grand parents all white, all from middle to mid east United States nothing remarkable.





Jonna Lee Wagner

in the 1940 United States Federal Census
VIEW 1940 United States Federal Census

Name:   Jonna Lee Wagner
Age:   5
Estimated birth year:   abt 1935
Gender:   Female
Race:   White
Birthplace:   Colorado
Marital Status:   Single
Relation to Head of House:   Daughter
Home in 1940:   Brighton, Adams, Colorado
Map of Home in 1940:   View Map
Street:   North Fourth Avenue
House Number:   272
Sheet Number:   4A
Attended School or College:   No
Highest Grade Completed:   None
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name age
Paul Wagner   36
Lois Wagner   35
Louise Elaine Wagner   8
Jonna Lee Wagner   5

Source Citation
Year: 1940; Census Place: Brighton, Adams, Colorado; Roll: T627_454; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 1-40



Paul Wagner
in the Colorado, County Marriages and State Indexes, 1862-2006
 
Name:   Paul Wagner
Gender:   Male
Age:   25
Birth Date:   abt 1903
Marriage Date:   6 Oct 1928
Marriage Place:   Littleton, Arapahoe, Colorado, USA
Spouse:   Lois Mccoy
Film Number:   001690145




Paul Owen Wagner

in the U.S. WWII Draft Cards Young Men, 1940-1947
 
View Original Image on Fold3.
 
Name:   Paul Owen Wagner
Race:   White
Relationship to Draftee:   Self (Head)
Birth Place:   Pickering, Missouri, USA
Birth Date:   13 Apr 1903
Residence:   Brighton, Adams, Colorado, USA
Registration Date:   1942
Occupation:   Kuner R Empson Co
Weight:   145
Complexion:   Light
Eye Color:   Brown
Hair Color:   Brown
Height:   5 11
Next of Kin:   Lois Wagner
Household Members:   
Name   Relationship
Paul Owen Wagner   Self (Head)


Paul Wagner

in the 1910 United States Federal Census
VIEW 1910 United States Federal Census

Name:   Paul Wagner


Birth Year:   abt 1903
Birthplace:   Missouri
Home in 1910:   Jackson, Nodaway, Missouri
Race:   White
Gender:   Male
Relation to Head of House:   Son
Marital Status:   Single
Father's name:   M E Wagner
Father's Birthplace:   Missouri
Mother's name:   Grace Wagner
Mother's Birthplace:   Missouri
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
M E Wagner   34
Grace Wagner   29
Curtis Wagner   9
Paul Wagner   7
Mildred Wagner   4
Helen Wagner   2

M E Wagner

 in the 1910 United States Federal Census
VIEW 1910 United States Federal Census

Name:   M E Wagner
Age in 1910:   34
Birth Year:   abt 1876
Birthplace:   Missouri
Home in 1910:   Jackson, Nodaway, Missouri
Race:   White
Gender:   Male
Relation to Head of House:   Head
Marital Status:   Married
Spouse's Name:   Grace Wagner
Father's Birthplace:   Pennsylvania
Mother's Birthplace:   Iowa
Native Tongue:   English
Occupation:   Farmer
Industry:   Gen Farm
Employer, Employee or Other:   Own Account
Home Owned or Rented:   Rent
Farm or House:   Farm
Able to Read:   Yes
Able to Write:   Yes
Years Married:   10
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
M E Wagner   34
Grace Wagner   29
Curtis Wagner   9
Paul Wagner   7
Mildred Wagner   4
Helen Wagner   2



Grace Dalrymple

in the Missouri, Marriage Records, 1805-2002
VIEW Missouri, Marriage Records, 1805-2002

Name:   Grace Dalrymple
Marriage Date:   24 Dec 1899
Marriage Place:   Pickering, Nodaway, Missouri
Registration Place:   Nodaway, Missouri, USA
Spouse:   Everett Wagner



Grace Wagner

in the 1910 United States Federal Census
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Name:   Grace Wagner
Age in 1910:   29
Birth Year:   abt 1881
Birthplace:   Missouri
Home in 1910:   Jackson, Nodaway, Missouri
Race:   White
Gender:   Female
Relation to Head of House:   Wife
Marital Status:   Married
Spouse's Name:   M E Wagner
Father's Birthplace:   Missouri
Mother's Birthplace:   Illinois
Native Tongue:   English
Attended School:   Yes
Able to Read:   Yes
Able to Write:   Yes
Years Married:   10
Number of Children Born:   4
Number of Children Living:   4
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
M E Wagner   34
Grace Wagner   29
Curtis Wagner   9
Paul Wagner   7
Mildred Wagner   4
Helen Wagner   2

Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Diana on September 01, 2017, 09:07:01 am
Here's Jonna Lee Wagner Hamrick's mother's info on Find a Grave, Lois McCoy Wagner. It has her parents names Of John Robert McCoy and Tabitha F. McCoy including her mother's maiden name of Deweese. Here they are in the 1900 census. Tabitha died in 1907. I also posted Lois McCoy and her family after her mothers death. Her father later married a woman named Abbie. Again, I'm only going to post great grand parents. All the great great grandparents are all born in the 1830s to the 1840s and are all white. Shore Charnoe (probably not her real name) is WHITE.


https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=WAG&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSst=39&GScntry=4&GSsr=801&GRid=28855399&



John R Mccoy

 in the 1900 United States Federal Census
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Name:   John R Mccoy
Age:   33
Birth Date:   Dec 1866
Birthplace:   Tennessee
Home in 1900:   Temple Hill, Barren, Kentucky
Sheet Number:   13A
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation:   244
Family Number:   247
Race:   White
Gender:   Male
Relation to Head of House:   Head
Marital Status:   Married
Spouse's Name:   Tabitha Mccoy
Marriage Year:   1900
Years Married:   0
Father's Birthplace:   Tennessee
Mother's Birthplace:   Tennessee
Occupation:   Farmer
Can Read:   Yes
Can Write:   Yes
Can Speak English:   No
House Owned or Rented:   O
Home Free or Mortgaged:   F
Farm or House:   F
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
John R Mccoy   33
Tabitha Mccoy   27

Tabitha Mccoy

in the 1900 United States Federal Census
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Name:   Tabitha Mccoy

Age:   27
Birth Date:   Nov 1872
Birthplace:   Kentucky
Home in 1900:   Temple Hill, Barren, Kentucky
Sheet Number:   13A
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation:   244
Family Number:   247
Race:   White
Gender:   Female
Relation to Head of House:   Wife
Marital Status:   Married
Spouse's Name:   John R Mccoy
Marriage Year:   1900
Years Married:   0
Father's Birthplace:   Kentucky
Mother's Birthplace:   Kentucky
Can Read:   Yes
Can Write:   Yes
Can Speak English:   Yes
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
John R Mccoy   33
Tabitha Mccoy   27

Lois Mc Coy

in the 1910 United States Federal Census
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Name:   Lois Mc Coy
Age in 1910:   4
Birth Year:   abt 1906
Birthplace:   Kentucky
Home in 1910:   Slick Rock, Barren, Kentucky
Race:   White
Gender:   Female
Relation to Head of House:   Daughter
Marital Status:   Single
Father's name:   J R Mc Coy
Father's Birthplace:   Tennessee
Mother's Birthplace:   Kentucky
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
J R Mc Coy   43
Hattie Mc Coy   9
Beatrice E Mc Coy   6
Lois Mc Coy   4
Martha Ann Melton   73

Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Piff on September 01, 2017, 05:39:42 pm
In 2015 Shore Charnoe claimed she was Lakota in a video. She also claimed Métis on her site http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4675.msg40909#msg40909

In a 2015 interview https://soundcloud.com/makenobonesaboutit/shore-charnoe-on-make-no-bones-about-it-jun-14-2015 she opens by stating what she says is  "my Lakota name". 28 minutes of interview and there is no mention of Métis.
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Yar Spar on September 03, 2017, 04:44:20 pm
I think Shore Charnoe is her real name. She has a younger sister named Sky Charnoe.
On one of Donald/Zee's obituaries it says that he is survived by his 6 children, perhaps that was the surviving children with Jonna, plus two from Hila Charnoe, (Shore & Sky?).

What makes me think that is that is Jonna and Donald divorced in 69, don't know if Shore is old enough to be from that marriage. Her facebook timeline shows that she was born in 1977. And the other older children all live in the states.

Also the birthday note from her father says that she was born in Scotland, and if him and Hila Charnoe were married in Denmark, then perhaps they were over in Europe at the time and then came to Canada. He was working there for a University in Denmark.

This doc confirms that he was in Scotland in July, '77 presumably when Shore was born.:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B69QduZhn9AjYjgyYzZmMGItMDg0Mi00YzY5LWIzOGQtZjdkZjRlZTY3MDFl/view
 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B69QduZhn9AjYjgyYzZmMGItMDg0Mi00YzY5LWIzOGQtZjdkZjRlZTY3MDFl/view),

When I googled Charnoe Denmark, it linked Zeera P (which I learned stands for polyandry) Charnoe to Denmark From 1971, but then was all over Europe until 1980.
He was indeed a seemingly great mind, though an odd one.

And a lecture on Physiognomy (had to look that one up), in Denmark in Jan, 1971: https://audioboom.com/posts/919736-physiognomy-denmark-jan22-71

Here he states that he's been in Canada since 1980 (in the about my library part):
https://www.librarything.com/profile/ZeeCharnoe (https://www.librarything.com/profile/ZeeCharnoe)

Diana, you're a genealogy wiz, did you come across any info on Hila? There are some mentions of them living in Peterborough, Ontario, as well so perhaps they met in or moved together to Canada before Denmark?

Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Yar Spar on September 03, 2017, 06:23:04 pm
Just googled Hila Charnoe and found some mentions.

"Hila Charnoe, of Guelph, said many of her grandchildren and great-grandchildren have Aboriginal blood in them, which is why she is so interested in these ceremonies. She said there is an awakening going on in Guelph — churches, service clubs and academics are beginning to pay attention and support Aboriginal people as they find their spiritual way in western culture.
"The networking in this community is amazing," she said. "It's a very interesting time."


https://www.guelphmercury.com/news-story/5678867-traditional-cleansing-ceremony-at-guelph-wellington-women-in-crisis-heralds-national-aboriginal-day/ (https://www.guelphmercury.com/news-story/5678867-traditional-cleansing-ceremony-at-guelph-wellington-women-in-crisis-heralds-national-aboriginal-day/)

It seems like Shore's entire representation of herself as Métis or Lakota, or whoever else she's claimed to be, is based on the Indigenous children that she's fostered over the years.

If so, that's very sad that she uses them to justify her own cultural appropriation and greatly misrepresenting herself to others, and then selling these "Indigenous teachings" to unknowing non-Indigenous people, but also integrating and trying to legitimize herself within Indigenous communities by working for First Nations Technical Institute, and getting her BSW in an Indigenous program.


Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Sparks on September 03, 2017, 07:49:20 pm
And a lecture on Physiognomy (had to look that one up), in Denmark in Jan, 1971: https://audioboom.com/posts/919736-physiognomy-denmark-jan22-71

I listened to all of it. Sounds poetical, but mostly incomprehensible gibberish. Lecture held at:

https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordenfjord_World_University — (Use Google Translate.)

Not a real University in any way. — I heard her mention "Free Energy", probably referring to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_energy_suppression_conspiracy_theory

Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Diana on September 03, 2017, 11:23:59 pm
Thanks for the info Yar. You very well could be right. Shore Charnoe looked to be in her mid to late forties to me in all her pictures. She also said to have been a foster mother for over 20 years and claims to be a grandmother. It's possible...?? Something to look into for sure.



Just googled Hila Charnoe and found some mentions.

"Hila Charnoe, of Guelph, said many of her grandchildren and great-grandchildren have Aboriginal blood in them, which is why she is so interested in these ceremonies. She said there is an awakening going on in Guelph — churches, service clubs and academics are beginning to pay attention and support Aboriginal people as they find their spiritual way in western culture.
"The networking in this community is amazing," she said. "It's a very interesting time."


https://www.guelphmercury.com/news-story/5678867-traditional-cleansing-ceremony-at-guelph-wellington-women-in-crisis-heralds-national-aboriginal-day/ (https://www.guelphmercury.com/news-story/5678867-traditional-cleansing-ceremony-at-guelph-wellington-women-in-crisis-heralds-national-aboriginal-day/)

It seems like Shore's entire representation of herself as Métis or Lakota, or whoever else she's claimed to be, is based on the Indigenous children that she's fostered over the years.

If so, that's very sad that she uses them to justify her own cultural appropriation and greatly misrepresenting herself to others, and then selling these "Indigenous teachings" to unknowing non-Indigenous people, but also integrating and trying to legitimize herself within Indigenous communities by working for First Nations Technical Institute, and getting her BSW in an Indigenous program.
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Yar Spar on September 04, 2017, 12:33:21 am
Seems like either way, whichever is her mother, she is not who she claims to be.

Thanks for the info Yar. You very well could be right. Shore Charnoe looked to be in her mid to late forties to me in all her pictures. She also said to have been a foster mother for over 20 years and claims to be a grandmother. It's possible...?? Something to look into for sure.



Just googled Hila Charnoe and found some mentions.

"Hila Charnoe, of Guelph, said many of her grandchildren and great-grandchildren have Aboriginal blood in them, which is why she is so interested in these ceremonies. She said there is an awakening going on in Guelph — churches, service clubs and academics are beginning to pay attention and support Aboriginal people as they find their spiritual way in western culture.
"The networking in this community is amazing," she said. "It's a very interesting time."


https://www.guelphmercury.com/news-story/5678867-traditional-cleansing-ceremony-at-guelph-wellington-women-in-crisis-heralds-national-aboriginal-day/ (https://www.guelphmercury.com/news-story/5678867-traditional-cleansing-ceremony-at-guelph-wellington-women-in-crisis-heralds-national-aboriginal-day/)

It seems like Shore's entire representation of herself as Métis or Lakota, or whoever else she's claimed to be, is based on the Indigenous children that she's fostered over the years.

If so, that's very sad that she uses them to justify her own cultural appropriation and greatly misrepresenting herself to others, and then selling these "Indigenous teachings" to unknowing non-Indigenous people, but also integrating and trying to legitimize herself within Indigenous communities by working for First Nations Technical Institute, and getting her BSW in an Indigenous program.
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Truth8888 on September 25, 2021, 05:52:19 pm
To add onto everything with Shore.

 She is in her 50-60s now.
She had a son who would be in his 40s (she adopted him out)

But also has birthed within the last decade.

She definitely is a great source to mentally and emotionally as well as financially [Childishness removed].

Also any posts I've read seem to forget about her brother Brooke and her sister Skye.
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: educatedindian on September 25, 2021, 09:33:50 pm
Truth with angel numerology, no childish rants allowed.

Firsthand accounts are very valuable. How do you know her? Can you describe your or others experience?

Why does she feel the need to pose as Metis or Lakota and pose as a Native healer? Is it cash or ego or both?
Better to simply say "I've fostered Native kids."
Title: Re: Shore Charnoe
Post by: Sparks on September 26, 2021, 12:52:42 am
"Just so you know, I'm a little bit of a trickster, I've had a lot of coyote teachings over the years, and so we teach invisibly"

Whoa, that is several red flags right there.

So many frauds make claims like that. "Crazy wisdom", "trickster", "coyote medicine" ... all can be used as an excuse to be abusive, to lie, to not answer direct questions, and to get money for nothing.

The photos attached to that post (visible only to logged-in members?) can be found at her Facebook profile:

https://www.facebook.com/shore.charnoe  — "Founder at The Circle For Change". (See Photos)

Intro links: https://www.facebook.com/TheCircleForChange/ — https://www.thecircleforchange.com/