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General => Research Needed => Topic started by: Smart Mule on December 11, 2014, 12:29:21 am
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https://www.facebook.com/moonlightturtlelodge?ref=profile (https://www.facebook.com/moonlightturtlelodge?ref=profile)
Moonlight Turtle Lodge provides a venue for hands on participation in the discovery of our human connection with all creation. Organic gardens, community events, theater, music, natural healing ceremonies in our medicine wheel, drum circles and more.
Seems to be a group of white ladies who are teaching seed saving along with cultural appropriation.
The founders are Gail Mason and Nina Renshaw-Powers.
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Yes, that is a peacock feather. Tradish.
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"I am infinitely grateful for the time I have shared in Sage's sacred circle at the Gaia School of Healing and Earth Education. I've spent my whole life searching for where my love and curiosity of plants, animals and nature belonged in this world. Then the universe brought me to cross paths with a very wise young woman who began to heal me with her wisdom, knowledge and love. She awoke the ancient wisdom deep inside of me and I heard my heart speak out to me. This was where I belonged. I heard the plants speak out to me saying they had always been there awaiting my awakening. Sage gently guided me to a place of healing through plant spirit medicine and the medicine the earth offers us every day. I am now able to listen to plants and share with others this gift of awakening to the amazing healing powers of nature."
- Nina Renshaw Powers, Apprenticeship '13 & Adv. Apprenticeship '14
http://www.thegreenwoman.com/student-quotes.html (http://www.thegreenwoman.com/student-quotes.html)
The Gaia School of Healing & Earth Education founded by Sage Maurer in Boston, Massachusettes, has offered a variety of courses and workshops in earth magic and healing over the years in Vermont, Massachusetts, and Hawaii, since 2001. We offer 9 month long apprenticeships in magical and medicinal herbalism, plant spirit medicine, shamanism, ritual & meditation, spiritual ecology, and journeying with plant devas and earth spirits. We also offer monthly moon-lodges, meeting in Putney, VT each full moon
http://www.thegreenwoman.com/about-us.html (http://www.thegreenwoman.com/about-us.html)
I'll start a thread on Sage Maurer too.
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Yes, that is a peacock feather. Tradish.
Oh, I know who that one is. She keeps changing her story about what tribe she's from. First it was that she had one ancestor, hundreds of years back, with no race recorded (um, they didn't even record women's names most of the time then), so she fantasised the woman was from a long-lost tribe that she could now represent.
Now she's claiming to be from one of the first nations, even though she's american, because she paid a ceremony-seller to tell her what she wanted to hear. I don't know if she's claiming adoption (because she went to a pay to pray thingie) or if she's decided the hundreds of years ago woman was now Canadian despite living in Massachusetts.
Either way, she's white and her ancestors are English. And she's either lying or delusional.
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Oh, I know who that one is. She keeps changing her story about what tribe she's from. First it was that she had one ancestor, hundreds of years back, with no race recorded (um, they didn't even record women's names most of the time then), so she fantasised the woman was from a long-lost tribe that she could now represent.
Now she's claiming to be from one of the first nations, even though she's american, because she paid a ceremony-seller to tell her what she wanted to hear. I don't know if she's claiming adoption (because she went to a pay to pray thingie) or if she's decided the hundreds of years ago woman was now Canadian despite living in Massachusetts.
Either way, she's white and her ancestors are English. And she's either lying or delusional.
Actually her supposed indian ancestor was only listed by her first name in documentation and there just happened to be a indigenous woman with the same first name in the general area in the general time frame so it had to be the same woman. The name was Mary. A fairly common name in puritan New England.
She is now claiming First Nation but doesn't have any proof aside from the fact that she once hung out with a guy from said First Nation :o
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When I registered to log into your forum there was a terms of agreement saying that nothing fraudulent could be posted. Today I googled my name to find out, on your forum, that I am claiming that I am First Nations. This is false. It also puts up pictures from different sites… not mine (like the peacock feather picture or the word shaman). Also quotes from different sites making it look like they were my posts or that they appeared on my face book page or the Moonlight Turtle Lodge’s site. If you go on my Facebook page you’ll not see any claims that I am First Nations nor on the Moonlight Turtle Lodge’s fb page. I also have never claimed I was a shaman. I find it insulting that I as a “White lady” don’t have the freedom of spirit to encourage people to save seeds, or respect earth and all the beings living here be it plant animal or even bacteria. That doesn’t belong to just a few. It belongs to everyone. Also I have never charged any one to come visit the MTL. I haven’t made any money, much less making it off of claiming I am anything but earth loving. I would appreciate you removing my name and Moonlight Turtle Lodge from the forum, because the information you have on me is false.
Nina Renshaw
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When I registered to log into your forum there was a terms of agreement saying that nothing fraudulent could be posted. Today I googled my name to find out, on your forum, that I am claiming that I am First Nations. This is false. It also puts up pictures from different sites… not mine (like the peacock feather picture or the word shaman).
If you go back and read the posts again, the woman who is claiming First Nations is the woman with the tradish peacock feather fan, not you. She's attended your events. The shaman quote comes directly from greenwoman.com where you received 'teachings'. The two quotes are clearly separated.
Also quotes from different sites making it look like they were my posts or that they appeared on my face book page or the Moonlight Turtle Lodge’s site. If you go on my Facebook page you’ll not see any claims that I am First Nations nor on the Moonlight Turtle Lodge’s fb page. I also have never claimed I was a shaman. I find it insulting that I as a “White lady” don’t have the freedom of spirit to encourage people to save seeds, or respect earth and all the beings living here be it plant animal or even bacteria. That doesn’t belong to just a few. It belongs to everyone. Also I have never charged any one to come visit the MTL. I haven’t made any money, much less making it off of claiming I am anything but earth loving. I would appreciate you removing my name and Moonlight Turtle Lodge from the forum, because the information you have on me is false.
Nina Renshaw
You have a medicine wheel yes? That's appropriative. What tradition do your 'ceremonies' come from?
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Totem pole in...Massachusetts?
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More screen caps.
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The medicine wheel I created was to help to create a space of healing. Emotionally, spiritually and physically. The medicine wheel up at the MTL hasn't had an opening ceremony yet. Our opening ceremony will be with our fellow plant spirit alumni and our extended family. We claim no Native affiliation. Too bad all people can't come together. The Celtic has medicine wheel, too
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too funny this woman
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The medicine wheel I created was to help to create a space of healing. Emotionally, spiritually and physically.
Healing in what tradition?
The medicine wheel up at the MTL hasn't had an opening ceremony yet. Our opening ceremony will be with our fellow plant spirit alumni and our extended family.
What is a 'fellow plant spirit alumni'? Could you please explain your intended ceremony and the tradition it comes out of?
We claim no Native affiliation. Too bad all people can't come together. The Celtic has medicine wheel, too
You claim no Native affiliation yet you have a totem pole and a medicine wheel?
What do you mean by "Too bad all people can't come together."?
Could you please provide authentic sources to your claim of Celtic medicine wheels?
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The Celtic has medicine wheel, too
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Well, our members from the Celtic nations and diaspora will be very surprised to hear that.
Seriously, no. No Celtic medicine wheels. That's total B.S. Nothing you are doing is Celtic.
There are real, living Celtic traditions. People who try to make stuff up and call it Celtic, or misappropriate from Natives and call it Celtic, are very offensive to all of us who are working for cultural preservation.
There are nuage pretendian frauds, like Frank Owen (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=124.msg36761#msg36761), who try to disguise their thefts from Natives by throwing some knotwork on a stolen practice, but thankfully we have Natives and Celts working together here to bust that deception. IIRC, Owen made some stuff up and called it a "Celtic Medicine Wheel." But he made it up.
I'm sure you're used to people who are ignorant about Native ways and Celtic ways. This is not one of those places.
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People can only come together from a place of mutual respect. Otherwise it's just colonialism.
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OK EarthW7... want to know how funny I am? and I do appreciate the humor. Why did the middle aged white woman cross the street? Again and again and again? Why would she say "shalom" when she toasts? Why would she say"Amen sister" when she is neither christian or black? Why would she tell her daughters and other women, when they are going through hard times, "You can do this... you are a strong black woman"? Funny sh#t... right?
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OK EarthW7... want to know how funny I am? and I do appreciate the humor. Why did the middle aged white woman cross the street? Again and again and again? Why would she say "shalom" when she toasts? Why would she say"Amen sister" when she is neither christian or black? Why would she tell her daughters and other women, when they are going through hard times, "You can do this... you are a strong black woman"? Funny sh#t... right?
What in the heck are you talking about?
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No humor allowed?
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Of course humor is allowed. Could you please answer my questions? Thanks.
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I guess my middle aged white woman humor escapes you. A comedian once told me that if you have to explain your humor.... it is lost
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I guess my middle aged white woman humor escapes you. A comedian once told me that if you have to explain your humor.... it is lost
I guess. Could you please answer my questions?
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OK. I guess your question is What the heck am I talking about. I am a little afraid of opening up because this site is used to put people down. I understand that people who claim things that aren't true should be revealed. And I respect you for that. I realize that anything I say will be posted and ripped apart for that good. But... my joke about the white lady crossing the street probably has to do with my own experience in the food industry that has men that I am training making more than me. I don't claim that my plight has any more value than any one else's plight and I feel that a black woman has it harder than me. That's why I encourage my daughters and other women in my life that are going through hard times, to "Be a strong black woman". They have it harder than us. Gay people have it the hardest. I hope this explains some of my "humor"
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No Nina, Sky is not asking you to post random things about yourself or to "open up." These are the questions she asked:
The medicine wheel I created was to help to create a space of healing. Emotionally, spiritually and physically.
Healing in what tradition?
The medicine wheel up at the MTL hasn't had an opening ceremony yet. Our opening ceremony will be with our fellow plant spirit alumni and our extended family.
What is a 'fellow plant spirit alumni'? Could you please explain your intended ceremony and the tradition it comes out of?
We claim no Native affiliation. Too bad all people can't come together. The Celtic has medicine wheel, too
You claim no Native affiliation yet you have a totem pole and a medicine wheel?
What do you mean by "Too bad all people can't come together."?
Could you please provide authentic sources to your claim of Celtic medicine wheels?
If you intend to continue posting here, please respect the Indigenous grandmothers who have addressed you and answer the questions.
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The medicine wheel I created was to help to create a space of healing. Emotionally, spiritually and physically.
Healing in what tradition?
The medicine wheel up at the MTL hasn't had an opening ceremony yet. Our opening ceremony will be with our fellow plant spirit alumni and our extended family.
What is a 'fellow plant spirit alumni'? Could you please explain your intended ceremony and the tradition it comes out of?
We claim no Native affiliation. Too bad all people can't come together. The Celtic has medicine wheel, too
You claim no Native affiliation yet you have a totem pole and a medicine wheel?
What do you mean by "Too bad all people can't come together."?
Could you please provide authentic sources to your claim of Celtic medicine wheels?
The above are the questions I was referring to.
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Nina, rather than harassing mods in private messages please post in the relevant threads. Because of the volume of traffic we get on this site we can't hold everyone's hand and show them specifically where to post. That's why we have guidelines. Please be a responsible guest and read them.
I would appreciate it if you would answer my questions. Thank you.
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You know I already answered your question. You just didn't post it. Shame shame. Now I guess this is spam.
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You know I already answered your question. You just didn't post it. Shame shame. Now I guess this is spam.
I asked you several questions and you did not answer them. I have no control over what you post O.o
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The Celtic has medicine wheel, too
No. They really didn't. Though I'd be interested to see your 'proof' of such a claim.
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The medicine wheel I created was to help to create a space of healing. Emotionally, spiritually and physically. The medicine wheel up at the MTL hasn't had an opening ceremony yet. Our opening ceremony will be with our fellow plant spirit alumni and our extended family. We claim no Native affiliation. Too bad all people can't come together. The Celtic has medicine wheel, too
From the Moonlight Turtle Lodge Facebook Page (https://www.facebook.com/moonlightturtlelodge/posts/724539244258984)
Nina Renshaw-Powers
18 June 2014 at 21:27
We've been working to get the medicine wheel open at MTL for opening ceremony to be announced soon. We will be looking forward to all our family and friends to bless the land once again with their love. Aho!
More of the same in Nina's intro thread: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4613.0
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OK. I guess your question is What the heck am I talking about. I am a little afraid of opening up because this site is used to put people down. I understand that people who claim things that aren't true should be revealed. And I respect you for that. I realize that anything I say will be posted and ripped apart for that good. But... my joke about the white lady crossing the street probably has to do with my own experience in the food industry that has men that I am training making more than me. I don't claim that my plight has any more value than any one else's plight and I feel that a black woman has it harder than me. That's why I encourage my daughters and other women in my life that are going through hard times, to "Be a strong black woman". They have it harder than us. Gay people have it the hardest. I hope this explains some of my "humor"
Is "humour" really the most appropriate response here, Nina? I'm hard pressed to figure out what's funny about your posts, but if you insist on calling it humour then OK ??? But you're posting here because you don't want to be listed as a fraud, and instead of answering the questions that have been put to you, you're ignoring them and trying to deflect from the issue with "humour." You're wasting people's time posting all over the forum in inappropriate place and making the mods have to clean up after you. What you're doing here comes across as rude and disrespectful. Instead of trying to deflect the questions that have been put to you, why don't you answer them? If you don't think people will like your answers, why bother posting here at all?
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What is really sad about this is that Nina has labeled herself a fraud. This thread is now, and has always been, in "Research Needed".
If you Google her name right now, you will see her comment: "I googled my name the other day to find out I was listed on this site as a fraud." (She was never listed on this site as a fraud.)
And if you come to this site, you will not find her answering any of the questions in "Research Needed". She did not improve her standing but only made herself look much worse.
Yeah, I don't get the humor also.
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Why would [a white woman] tell her daughters and other women, when they are going through hard times, "You can do this... you are a strong black woman"? Funny sh#t... right?
Not the least bit funny. Playing Indian, pretending to be black... no, we're not laughing.
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What is really sad about this is that Nina has labeled herself a fraud. This thread is now, and has always been, in "Research Needed".
If you Google her name right now, you will see her comment: "I googled my name the other day to find out I was listed on this site as a fraud." (She was never listed on this site as a fraud.)
And if you come to this site, you will not find her answering any of the questions in "Research Needed". She did not improve her standing but only made herself look much worse.
Yeah, I don't get the humor also.
Good points, Autumn. And if she wants to really improve things, she will stop with the "Celtic" Medicine Wheel and the use of the word "Aho" and find another way.
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i guess as a native woman i did not understand the humor either ???
nor do i understand why she uses a kiowa word like aho? Like its a general
word for everyone? Why she thinks she can use symbol from another people culture
without going though the proper ceremonies to do this. Why would she make claims that are just not true.
Why she wants to be put in the fraud list?
All she has to prove in no money is exchanged, no native symbol are used,
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No money is exchanged and no native affiliation is used. We only want to share seeds and teach what we know about saving seeds. I attended a catholic christening today where I prayed with them. I was never baptized or brought up as catholic but I respect them in their church and recite prayers that I have learned from friends that I grew up with. I said "Amen". If that makes me a fraud then so be it. If relating to others spiritual or cultural upbringing makes me a fraud then so be it. I am not affiliated with any cultural, traditional or religious people. I am of the earth and of the people, plants and all beings of this earth. When I was a little girl my catholic friends told me I wouldn't go to heaven because I wasn't baptized. I knew then that I had to make this my heaven and people like you, with all your rules of who can and who can't be will never stop me from sharing my love.
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so are you saying amen which seem to be a universal word for christian prayer ending
is the same as a Kiowa greeting word AHO! I guess i am confused because they are not the same
whoever taught you that this is the same as a christian belief they are wrong.
It would be fine to teach about seeds and seed saving but that is not what you are doing
not matter how you try to cover it up you are misusing another culture that is not yours and we
don't not have the belief that everyone can come take from us, that is what the americans have
been doing since they came in to my country, take take take so please don't be condescending to me
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Nina, no one wants to stop you from saving seeds and teaching about it. No one wants you to stop "sharing the love." What people object too is your use of the medicine wheel, which is NOT "Celtic" and used by Natives. Although, much of the use was made up by frauds. They also object to your using a Kiowa word, "Aho", which you really don't know the meaning of. Just stop with the medicine wheel. There are many cool things you could replace it with. And use english words, not Kiowa words. Or Lakota words. Use Eglish words unless you truly understand the word you are using.
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Nina, you complained about some of your posts being deleted, but I don't think any were. HOWEVER, If you continue to post the same stuff over and over, we're going to start deleting the redundant ones. There is no need to repeat yourself. At this point, I think all anyone is interested in hearing from you is that you've stopped doing the pretendian stuff, and that you've stopped misrepresenting yourself and what you do. AND, it's only worth saying it if it's true. So far I don't see any sign of you stopping, nor do I see any sign of you telling us the truth.
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No money is exchanged and no native affiliation is used. We only want to share seeds and teach what we know about saving seeds.
That simply isn't true. You have a medicine wheel and a totem pole on the property and there's mention of ceremony.
I attended a catholic christening today where I prayed with them. I was never baptized or brought up as catholic but I respect them in their church and recite prayers that I have learned from friends that I grew up with. I said "Amen". If that makes me a fraud then so be it.
Catholicism is a religious choice. Native American and First Nation's spiritual practice have to do with ethnicity. Two different things.
If relating to others spiritual or cultural upbringing makes me a fraud then so be it. I am not affiliated with any cultural, traditional or religious people. I am of the earth and of the people, plants and all beings of this earth.
If you aren't affiliated with any cultural, traditional or religious peoples then why are you incorporating cultural/spiritual aspects into what you are doing? This makes you both a fraud and a thief.
When I was a little girl my catholic friends told me I wouldn't go to heaven because I wasn't baptized. I knew then that I had to make this my heaven and people like you, with all your rules of who can and who can't be will never stop me from sharing my love.
Sharing your love is completely different from cultural appropriation. There is nothing 'loving' about it,nor is there anything loving about your flippant attitude toward the peoples you are appropriating from.
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thank you for your words Sky
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I'll start a thread on Sage Maurer too.
That one is here: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4524.0 [Sage L Maurer - Gaia School of Healing]
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I repost this comment because my first attempt came out wrongly formatted:
I'll start a thread on Sage Maurer too.
That thread is here:
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4524.0 [Sage L Maurer - Gaia School of Healing]