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Offline Cetan

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John Crow Dog
« on: October 04, 2009, 09:46:16 pm »
Does anyone know anything about a man in the Indianapolis area calling himself Chief John Crow Dog? Claims to be an adopted brother of Leonard Crow Dog, a yuwipi man and a leader in the Native American Church.

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Re: John Crow Dog
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2009, 03:04:22 pm »
He's briefly mentioned here and in a thread on Indianz as someone disputing the McCullough unauthorized Sundance in Indiana.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1245.0

His myspace is here, but he looks awfully young to be a chief.
http://www.myspace.com/43356179

He filed a case against the city of Indianapolis for discrimination. It mentions his old name, John W Crazyhorse..
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http://www.narf.org/nill/bulletins/dct/unreported/crowdog.html
(Cite as: 2005 WL 643363 (S.D.Ind.))
United States District Court,
S.D. Indiana, Indianapolis Division.

Chief John CROW DOG, Plaintiff,

v.

THE CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS, Mona Salem, Maureen Stapleton, Vaneeta Kumar,
Defendants.

No. 1:03-CV-0849-SEB-VSS.

March 18, 2005.
D. Robert Webster, Bamberger & Feibleman, Indianapolis, IN, for Plaintiff.
Robin M. Lybolt and Allison Wells Gritton, Indianapolis, IN, for Defendants.
ENTRY GRANTING DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT and DENYING PLAINTIFF'S
MOTION TO STRIKE
BARKER, J.

*1 This matter comes before us on Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment on Plaintiff's employment discrimination claims brought pursuant to Title VI and Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1965, 42. U.S.C. § 2000 et seq. The plaintiff, Chief John Crow Dog ("Chief Crow Dog"), alleges that his employer, the City of Indianapolis ("the City"), pays him less and has disciplined him unfairly on the impermissible basis of his national origin and religion. The Complaint also alleges the City discriminated against him when it cited him for zoning violations in 1994 and denied him improved working conditions. Plaintiff also asks us to strike a portion of the defendant's evidence in support of the summary judgment motion. For the reasons that follow, we GRANT Defendant's motion as to all claims and DENY Plaintiff's Motion to Strike.

I. Factual Background

The following facts are either uncontested or stated in a light most favorable to the plaintiff. All are supported by admissible evidence in the record.

Chief Crow Dog--formerly John W. Crazyhorse  [FN1]--is a Native American by national origin as well as religion. He holds the positions of "Indian priest," "traditional Tribal Chief," "Yuwipi Medicine Man," and is a delegate to the Human Rights Commission of the United Nations. Compl. ¶ 14. The Chief is a long time employee in the economic housing division of the Department of Metropolitan Development ("DMD"), where he was hired in April 1991 as a rehabilitation specialist....

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A university's collection on AIM has material on him.

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http://rmoa.unm.edu/docviewer.php?docId=nmu1mss659bc.xml
Carol Sullivan's Wounded Knee papers contain typed and handwritten essays/personal narratives, interviews, press releases, correspondence, news-clippings, publications, ephemera, and audio recordings pertaining to her research on, and association with the American Indian Movement, the 1973 occupation of Wounded Knee, and Native American nationalist movements. Russell Means, Leonard Crow Dog, John Crow Dog, and Leonard Peltier are among the prominent American Indian Movement figures represented in this collection.

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The DLN Coalition site discusses his statement at the opening of their organization.

http://www.dlncoalition.org/dln_coalition/dln_coalition.htm
Following is a shortened, representational transcript of the meeting seminal to the formation of the Dakota-Lakota-Nakota Human Rights Advocacy Coalition. Addressed in it are a number of the issues which are central concerns of the DLN: ethnic cleansing, the violations of treaties, the conflict between the U.S. imposed government structure and traditional ways.

First DLN Meeting

August 3, 1999

Crow Dog's Paradise
Rosebud, S.D.

7:00 P.M.

A meeting was convened for the purpose of discussing treaty rights as well as human rights of all nations.

Chosen to chair the meeting was Alfred Bone Shirt, a community member from Rosebud who thanked Chief Leonard Crow Dog for allowing this meeting to be held here at the Sacred Sun Dance Grounds at Crow Dog's Paradise....

JOHN CROW DOG -- Talked about First Amendment rights and why they don't stand for all of us. We are all free according to the constitution but it does not pertain to our people. We need to forget that we are from separate tribes. We are one nation of this land and with united effort we can fight and win. Prayers are the same in heart. All men pray to the real spirit and we all feel the same thing in our heart. Prayer should be in everything. We need to stand together and say this is enough. There are lots of questions and no ready answers. We need to make it happen. We need to listen to the elders and stand together....

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This site has contact information on him as part of the NAC @ halfway down.
http://www.edison.cc.oh.us/Religion/Links.htm

He's also listed as an artist in an MLK Day presentation.
http://www.in.gov/icrc/files/2005finalprogram.pdf

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Re: John Crow Dog
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2009, 09:56:44 pm »
the court needs to know that this guy changes names like hats

 his real name is John Wexler

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Re: John Crow Dog
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2009, 04:06:05 pm »
The name John Crazy Horse does show up in this book by Mary Grimes AKA Mary Thunder.
http://www.amazon.com/Thunders-Grace-Walking-Visions-Grandmother/dp/0882681664

If you use the search function to look inside the book, it says JCH prayed with Grimes frequently, visited her in the hospital frequently, helped out with her kids, gave her a ride to Texas, and that he brought her an eagle wing from Leonard Crow Dog. If so, that last one would be illegal for both Crow Dog's to do, since Grimes isn't NDN, only claims to be adopted in. Grimes sometimes refers to JCH as her son, though probably means it figuratively.

His photo shows up under that name in this myspace page, 2nd photo at top.
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=273267794&page=3

There must be a dozen people in online profiles calling themselves John Crazyhorse, but none appear to be JCD.

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Re: John Crow Dog
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2009, 02:30:27 am »
He's briefly mentioned here and in a thread on Indianz as someone disputing the McCullough unauthorized Sundance in Indiana.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1245.0

His myspace is here, but he looks awfully young to be a chief.
http://www.myspace.com/43356179

He filed a case against the city of Indianapolis for discrimination. It mentions his old name, John W Crazyhorse..
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http://www.narf.org/nill/bulletins/dct/unreported/crowdog.html
(Cite as: 2005 WL 643363 (S.D.Ind.))
United States District Court,
S.D. Indiana, Indianapolis Division.

Chief John CROW DOG, Plaintiff,

v.

THE CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS, Mona Salem, Maureen Stapleton, Vaneeta Kumar,
Defendants.

No. 1:03-CV-0849-SEB-VSS.

March 18, 2005.
D. Robert Webster, Bamberger & Feibleman, Indianapolis, IN, for Plaintiff.
Robin M. Lybolt and Allison Wells Gritton, Indianapolis, IN, for Defendants.
ENTRY GRANTING DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT and DENYING PLAINTIFF'S
MOTION TO STRIKE
BARKER, J.

*1 This matter comes before us on Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment on Plaintiff's employment discrimination claims brought pursuant to Title VI and Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1965, 42. U.S.C. § 2000 et seq. The plaintiff, Chief John Crow Dog ("Chief Crow Dog"), alleges that his employer, the City of Indianapolis ("the City"), pays him less and has disciplined him unfairly on the impermissible basis of his national origin and religion. The Complaint also alleges the City discriminated against him when it cited him for zoning violations in 1994 and denied him improved working conditions. Plaintiff also asks us to strike a portion of the defendant's evidence in support of the summary judgment motion. For the reasons that follow, we GRANT Defendant's motion as to all claims and DENY Plaintiff's Motion to Strike.

I. Factual Background

The following facts are either uncontested or stated in a light most favorable to the plaintiff. All are supported by admissible evidence in the record.

Chief Crow Dog--formerly John W. Crazyhorse  [FN1]--is a Native American by national origin as well as religion. He holds the positions of "Indian priest," "traditional Tribal Chief," "Yuwipi Medicine Man," and is a delegate to the Human Rights Commission of the United Nations. Compl. ¶ 14. The Chief is a long time employee in the economic housing division of the Department of Metropolitan Development ("DMD"), where he was hired in April 1991 as a rehabilitation specialist....

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A university's collection on AIM has material on him.

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http://rmoa.unm.edu/docviewer.php?docId=nmu1mss659bc.xml
Carol Sullivan's Wounded Knee papers contain typed and handwritten essays/personal narratives, interviews, press releases, correspondence, news-clippings, publications, ephemera, and audio recordings pertaining to her research on, and association with the American Indian Movement, the 1973 occupation of Wounded Knee, and Native American nationalist movements. Russell Means, Leonard Crow Dog, John Crow Dog, and Leonard Peltier are among the prominent American Indian Movement figures represented in this collection.

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The DLN Coalition site discusses his statement at the opening of their organization.

http://www.dlncoalition.org/dln_coalition/dln_coalition.htm
Following is a shortened, representational transcript of the meeting seminal to the formation of the Dakota-Lakota-Nakota Human Rights Advocacy Coalition. Addressed in it are a number of the issues which are central concerns of the DLN: ethnic cleansing, the violations of treaties, the conflict between the U.S. imposed government structure and traditional ways.

First DLN Meeting

August 3, 1999

Crow Dog's Paradise
Rosebud, S.D.

7:00 P.M.

A meeting was convened for the purpose of discussing treaty rights as well as human rights of all nations.

Chosen to chair the meeting was Alfred Bone Shirt, a community member from Rosebud who thanked Chief Leonard Crow Dog for allowing this meeting to be held here at the Sacred Sun Dance Grounds at Crow Dog's Paradise....

JOHN CROW DOG -- Talked about First Amendment rights and why they don't stand for all of us. We are all free according to the constitution but it does not pertain to our people. We need to forget that we are from separate tribes. We are one nation of this land and with united effort we can fight and win. Prayers are the same in heart. All men pray to the real spirit and we all feel the same thing in our heart. Prayer should be in everything. We need to stand together and say this is enough. There are lots of questions and no ready answers. We need to make it happen. We need to listen to the elders and stand together....

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This site has contact information on him as part of the NAC @ halfway down.
http://www.edison.cc.oh.us/Religion/Links.htm

He's also listed as an artist in an MLK Day presentation.
http://www.in.gov/icrc/files/2005finalprogram.pdf


The Myspace page says he's 20. The Lawsuit says he was hired in 1991.

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Re: John Crow Dog
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2009, 07:46:24 pm »
The MySpace page is his son, whom "chief Crow Dog" also claims is a yuwipi man.

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Re: John Crow Dog
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2009, 12:51:52 pm »
I know the John Crowdog family for about a year now and at first everything was going good but now people are showing their true colors. I found out that John Wexler changed his name to CrazyHorse and the Oglala Sioux tribe went nuts and threaten to kill John unless he changed his name. Before you knew it he became John Crowdog. The sweats are starting to become a joke place for people to say what ever they want. They throw butts into the fire were the Grandfathers are. I want everbody to know just what they are about.
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Re: John Crow Dog
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2009, 01:19:51 pm »
I know about this guy too. He's a sleaze. The myspace is of his son (actually step son) John jr. He does conduct yuwipi ceremonies and is now doing peyote meetings. John rules his group with an iron hand and makes a nice easy profit from them I might add. Not only is his "son" a chief now his grandson is. John has been meeting with Mc Cullough. They both are paying Leonard to be their pawn for these titles and adoptions etc.

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Re: John Crow Dog
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2009, 10:12:24 pm »
I believe John is the son of Pedros Crow Dog who is said to have been adopted by Leanord Crow Dog, I also believ and have heard through the moccasin line that he goes around and says he is the real son of Crow Dog and that gives him the right to do all he does, he is hispanic. here are some links.

http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=srp&sfxp=&q =crow+dog#/truelynative1?ref=sgm

 
http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=srp &sfxp=&q=crow+dog#/profile.php?ref=sgm&id=1277933327< /HTML>
This is John but look what is written under his Picture

  
http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=srp&sfxp=&o=69&q= John+Crow+Dog#/profile.php?id=1426615707&ref=search&sid=1331314725.4 245622662..1

I have friends who know Padro and he is a very arrogant person and feels he has the rights to do any ceremonies of the Lakota since he is adopted, however we know that is not true, he is not od NDN decent at all.

Sorry the links do not work but type in search on facebook for John Crow dog and under his pics will be Pedro Crow dog. I guess I need to learn how to insert links. Sorry.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2009, 10:16:40 pm by flyaway »
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Re: John Crow Dog
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2009, 11:12:31 pm »
The John Crow Dog on facebook is the son oe stepson of the John Crow Dog who used to call himself John Crazy Horse. I dont know if the younger one is actually the son of Pedro but Pedro Crow Dog's mother is from Rosebud, Mary (I think her last name was Brave Bird) who gave birth to Pedro at WK2 and married Leonard.

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Re: John Crow Dog
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2009, 12:40:56 am »
 
http://en.wik ipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Brave_Bird#Background
Thanks for correcting my info. Will need to check with some of my Native family about John, even though I am Cherokee/Choctaw I do have many Lakota friends and family. :)
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Re: John Crow Dog
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2009, 05:56:15 am »
I believe John is the son of Pedros Crow Dog who is said to have been adopted by Leanord Crow Dog, I also believ and have heard through the moccasin line that he goes around and says he is the real son of Crow Dog and that gives him the right to do all he does, he is hispanic. here are some links.

http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=srp&sfxp=&q =crow+dog#/truelynative1?ref=sgm

 
http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=srp &sfxp=&q=crow+dog#/profile.php?ref=sgm&id=1277933327< /HTML>
This is John but look what is written under his Picture

  
http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=srp&sfxp=&o=69&q= John+Crow+Dog#/profile.php?id=1426615707&ref=search&sid=1331314725.4 245622662..1

I have friends who know Padro and he is a very arrogant person and feels he has the rights to do any ceremonies of the Lakota since he is adopted, however we know that is not true, he is not od NDN decent at all.

Sorry the links do not work but type in search on facebook for John Crow dog and under his pics will be Pedro Crow dog. I guess I need to learn how to insert links. Sorry.

lol..this is too funny!! seriously? Pedro was born at Wounded Knee in '73. His mother is Mary Brave Bird a LAKOTA! he IS NOT HISPANIC. He is Native! this shows how ignorant people are and how people talk of what they do not know! Know your facts before you go bashing people online for all others to see. Ill pray for you!

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Re: John Crow Dog
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2009, 02:13:49 pm »
lol..this is too funny!! seriously? Pedro was born at Wounded Knee in '73. His mother is Mary Brave Bird a LAKOTA! he IS NOT HISPANIC. He is Native! this shows how ignorant people are and how people talk of what they do not know! Know your facts before you go bashing people online for all others to see. Ill pray for you!

Hello. Hopefully you will introduce yourself rather than just coming in here, sneering, and leaving. That wouldn't help you if you want people to believe you. How do you know all of this? And do you have anything to say on the subject, JCD, rather than Pedro?

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Re: John Crow Dog
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2009, 02:50:49 am »
Folks, Just received a message on this board from capunka asking about John Crow Dog.  I asked for his name and to email me directly. 

I live just down the street from him.  As for my bonafides, some of you know me, but I am an enrolled member of the Citizen Potawatomi and live in Indianapolis.  I teach at Indiana University and work also as the Director of American Indian Programs for the Indianapolis campus. 

Some years ago when I moved into Indianapolis I happened on John Crow Dog and met with him at his house.  According to what I was able to gather, he started dancing at Crow Dog's place in the mid 1980's.  He is in his late fifties or early sixties and has a son and daughter.  The son may be 17-18 now, and claims to be a mnijonjou chief as does the older John Crow Dog.  He has several bonnets in his house and so on.  He is not an enrolled member of any tribe although he has been able to snow the city of Indianapolis that he is.  He is incorporated as a "priest" of his own church.

Several years ago, I happened by his house and saw they were getting ready to sweat, so I stayed.  I have only been there once and it was that night.  Participants had to sign a medical release and were encouraged to donate a minimum of 20 dollars for expenses.  The night I was there about thirty people attended, some appeared to be regulars, and about half of the  thirty were Indians or looked Indian for whatever that statement is worth.  Some I knew, others I have since run into.
I am going to post this and add some more, the comuter is telling me tha I am running out of room.



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Re: John Crow Dog
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2009, 02:58:32 am »
time to upgrade from that old Comadore 64