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General => Research Needed => Topic started by: weheli on December 03, 2006, 10:41:02 pm
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Lawrence Sampson
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Osiyo
« on: November 08, 2005, 08:04:36 AM »
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Hello everyone, good to find a place educating those who might otherwise get duped.
I am a Delaware/Eastern Band Cherokee, with a smattering of Irish and possibly some Dutch.
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"Otherwise get Duped?":
Good Lord now he's Blackfeet
http://www.seniornet.com/php/default.php?PageID=8246
"Blackfeet representative Lawrence Sampson spoke about the American Indian culture, environment and condition as part of the focus on SeniorNet's new underserved initiative."
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of course, as always, "they" got it wrong. He didn't make that claim, "they" just "misunderstood" or "misrepresented" him!
Other claims "they" made and got wrong:
The military says he was dis-honorably discharged but he says he wasn't - so the military is lying and got it all wrong.
The university/college in Texas says he didn't graduate but Larry says he did - so the college is lying about him and got it all wrong too.
The Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians in North Carolina says he is not an enrolled member, none of his folks were ever enrolled, and none of them (including Larry) have an application pending with them for enrollment ... but the Eastern Band is lying about him and has got it all wrong.
http://www.mayyoureapwhatyousow.com/EBCI%20Letters.htm
Whoever put out his family's genealogy (available online) is lying 'cause it isn't about his family - so whoever got it all wrong too - even the article he helped supply info for that gave mistaken info on his own family.
http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jackamoney&id=I00066&op=GET&ti=&track=
http://www.mayyoureapwhatyousow.com/ancestor_chart.htm
Both Autonomous AIM and the GGC say he's never been a member, doesn't speak for any of them ... but they're lying and got it all wrong.
http://www.aimovement.org/moipr/USvAIMbackground.html
http://aimgrandgovcouncil.blogspot.com/
http://www.grahamdefense.org/news_aim1.htm
Isn't it amazing?! After all these years, after all the stories that have been written about Larry without his knowledge, without his help or participation in supplying the information ... and regardless of it all, if one piece of information contradicts the other? Well damnit, each-n-every one of 'em that was contradictory got it all wrong even if it was Larry who was the one supplyin' 'em with his own info!
Whatcha reckon the camera is lying and got it all wrong too 'cause Larry's really not 250 pound overweight.
If it was all the goot stuff and no one noticed the contradiction? Hey! They got it right and of course it was Larry who helped them 'get it right'. Yeah, that's it. ;-)
That the Blackfeet are receiving help from Senior Net, Microsoft and others isn't the issue. The issue is that at some point, somehow, Larry was mis-quoted(?) to be representin' the Blackfeet at the function in Virginia. And predictably, when the "mis-statement" came out, he claims "they" got it all wrong and the issue - again - isn't about his lies. The issue is that the Blackfeet are getting help and - again - it was Larry who was there on his white steed to rush in and help save 'em.
*singin' ..... "Here he comes to save the day!!......."*
;-)Cut and paste from Donna http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=199489;article=18455;title=Issues%20Affecting%20American%20Indians%20in%20Tennessee ;)
So becareful you are not duped by DUPERS!!!!!! ;D
Weheli
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Was here for a while over a year ago. Last I heard he was now in Cleveland. He's hard to keep up with. I think at least 10,000 people have called the EBC tribal office over a period of time about him. Doesn't really seem to matter who disclaims him, he just keeps on going. I have seen all his documentation or lack of posted on list, chat rooms and it just doesn't seem to phase him at all. frederica
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Some other things about him. Accused of carrying weapons at a meeting of the Tennessee Native Americans Convention.
http://www.tnnac.org/minutes-04oct16.html
"Public Comment:
....I investigated Sampson and gave Tom the info.
I did a criminal background check of Lawrence Sampson. The way he acted and
typed on-line was threatening. So I checked. He had numerous violation of
going armed."
He's also built ties to a lot of animal rights groups who thinks he's legit AIM. I've never heard of AIM working with these types of activists before.
Also a part of "TP4TNNDNS - Traditional People for TN NDNs Yahoo! group (27 nov/16 dec 2003 - 24 oct 2004) "Members Only", 36 members as of 15feb04, 35 as of 15jul04
public web message board / anonymous ownership, presumed owned by Valerie Brestel-Ohle, Chairman, Acting CEO of Wisdom Keepers, Inc., with Lawrence Sampson"
National AIM accuses him of being an "agent" who sells AIM memberships.
http://www.aimovement.org/moipr/USvAIMbackground.html
"Working with willing agents like Santos "Hawks Blood" Suarez, and Lawrence Sampson and others, they are attempting to sell for money chapters of so-called confederation of autonomous AIM and AIM club membership cards."
Over at Indianz he's been dodging questions for quite awhile and answering with abuse any who question him. He seems to spend a lot of time dropping famous names of people he briefly met, and then tearing down good groups because he's in competition with them.
http://www.indianz.com/board/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17035
Steel Toe Mocs:
"He speaks as an Indian FOR Indians. He tried to do that at Eastern Band, got himself invited to speak there, as one of their tribal members. When it was found out that he is a fraud, they threw him out of there.
At his former job where he got hired by a friend and where he falsely claimed to have a college degree, he worked to undermine to Indian treatment programs in the country by maligning them and calling them substandard. He insisted that the program that he was THEN administering, located in Tennessee, and brand new, with no track record, was the model for all Indian treatment programs in the country. He has never said how many INDIAN kids his treatment program worked with or their tribal names because they only served white kids there. He will not give out numbers or facts that can be checked out. He always throws out his dreamed up information that is put out to glorify him as the Big Indian who knows it all and who knows all Indians and Indian issues. Listen to him speak on Indian issues as though he has worked with them all of his life. He only became "Indian" a few years ago, as many have noted.
He now works doing what he is qualified to do, installing satellite t.v. in Tennessee where he is shacked up with Tatoksa, Lisa. He used to sell phones, then he ripped off a college and said he got a degree from them but they deny it. He used that new lie to get paying jobs as an educator. Ask Cleveland AIM about that one. He moved on from there to land his job in Tennessee which has now failed and he now works at a job that he can handle.
Wherever he goes to use Indian people's names, he is found out and thrown out. He has a long trail of toilet paper behind him to track.
He can also really talk the b.s about what is written about treaties, harsh treatment, mascots, etc, but he cannot relate to any other Indian community or the real issues there. He almost pulled off his fraud at EBCI by convincing a few Indians there that he was one of them but that he didn't have his card on him at the time. When asked for his card in an official meeting where other Indians showed their card, he wrote on a white index card these words and flashed the card in front of him, "I am an Indian". There are photos of him doing that. But that is the only card he has.
He will continue to say that the enrollment letter from the Eastern Band of Cherokees is a fake, even when there was another letter issued by the enrollment office and anybody can call the office to find out if he is enrolled.
He is one of the biggest frauds and provocateurs ever to hit Indian country and if he isn't stopped, he will continue to divide and bring down Inian organizations anywhere he goes to set up and sell his fake "AIM" groups with his fake credentials. He also gets paid for working at jobs that only bona fide Indians should have by his lying. He is taking away from Indians what Indians should have, and this includes the spirituality. He has danced one Sun Dance with white people in Pennsylvania, then has said to people that he can run ceremonies because he is qualified by dancing at that one in Pennsylvania."
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he's keeping a real low profile if he is back in Tn at least no chatter as of yet. Here is one of the web sites that pretty well lays it all out. http://www.mayyoureapwhatyousow.com frederica
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I am continually amazed at [childish insult] that can be found on the 'net, and the [childish insult] posting it. I have become convinced that the 'net is the domain and supreme bathroom wall for [childish insult] [childish insult] about people they don't know and [childish insult] talking to face to face.
So..."Weheli"...."frederica"...."educated Indian"....do tell: Have any of you ever met or had any experience with me face to face? If so, please give the particulars of your personal experience with me. If not, we'll all know that this is yet another of the [childish insult] on the internet [childish insult]. I believe I saw somewhere that Amissa Yellowbird/Redbird/Wiley was posting here, and that pretty much[childish insult]. Kind of funny, fake ceremonial leaders going to a "fraud" site to talk about people they don't know and are [childish insult].
As for formality, I am Lawrence Sampson. I am Delaware/Eastern Band Cherokee. I have family on and all around the Qualla Boundary. I have been active in Indian Country my entire adult life. In that time, I've done enough to learn that those who [childish insult], instead [childish insult].
The longer I live, the more effort I have to make to retain my faith in humanity, when I see the lies and misinformation posted on the internet [childish insult]. Much of it, [childish insult] know to be untrue, and the rest they don't know the truthfullness of it but it sure goes along with their preconceived notions of who is good and bad.
Now, its your turn. I'd love to see what experience [childish insult] have with me directly, if any. And while I most certainly will not get bogged down in yet another "he said/he said/she said" scenario, I'd be real interested to see who was where, when, and did what, with whom, and so forth. And please, lets not get into "I head this", or "I heard so and so"...thats too easy [childish insult] [childish insult]. Lets hear what you know for a fact from direct personal experience.
I imagine this will prove to be [childish insult][childish insult][childish insult], and who [childish insult], but hey it sure is [childish insult] [childish insult] [childish insult]ennit? Should that prove to be true, I've got more important things to do in real life . Its [childish insult].
L
(Al's note: We don't reward childlishness in here, as you can see Larry.)
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Well Larry, are you still in TN? The last I remember you was on a march with Terri. Then you were in the process of that new commission. There was a riff with Tom and you kinda disappeared after that. Yellow Bird is on another list, never seen her here. You say she is Sumer Cree aka Lisa something and others. Do you still have A-AIM in TN? There has always been a bunch of stuff on the Internet concerning you and your activities. Why don't you just set the record straight? I know it never seems to bother you. I am curious why it continues, do you think they are jealous of all the things you have don in Indian Contry? frederica
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"Frederica"...first off, I'd love to talk honestly and respectfully to you. However, before we go any further, you've posted some things about me that are simply not true. I'd like to know where you get the information which you posted before verifying its validity. Before I go answering anything, I've asked first who you are, and second what firsthand experience you have with me. Answer those questions and we can move forward. Cuz if all you're doing is passing on other people's benign farts, then it doesn't speak too well of your character, and I needn't waste my time with someone purely interested in smearing folks.
L
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That is my name Larry. I am Lenape. I live in TN. I met you when you were an alt. on that Commission. Was brief. That's why I wondered were you are now. As you kinda disappeared. What did I post that is not true. There are multiple copies of EBCI documation on the Internet that you are not enrolled in EBC and there is nothing wrong with that. You have seen them and I have seen them, and so have others. There are copies of your DD214 also. but it is snipped. So I really never knew what that was about. But you know this is no secret. Much of this has been presented to you before. I know it never seemed to phase you. But if it were myself I would want to set the record straight. I not trying to be a judge, just trying to figure out what is going on. frederica
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I do not remember meeting you Frederica, and a name like that usually stands out in one's memory.
I feel a little silly in telling you that you have to be careful in believing what you read on the 'net. A perfect example: on this thread the lie about me being accused of carrying guns at a meeting. Well, I guess yeah you can say I was accused-anonymously-as always, which was immediately proven false. Now that lie has even taken on new proportions as it has been cut and pasted from here onto Indianz.com, only now its that I've been accused jof carrying guns at meetings NUMEROUS TIMES. There is just no end to liars and the lies they tell. The internet is amazingly fertile ground for lies to grow legs and then get so twisted, they sprout newer and newer lies. It was fascinating to watch for a while, now its just sickening.
Much of what has been posted on this thread was first constructed and posted by Donna [childish insult] Smith, and the incredible fraud Amissa Yellowbird. It's verbatim from their posts on other forums. I suspect it has been posted by them under yet further psuedonyms, as they have more than a dog has fleas. Quoting them is a mistake of comic proportions. FYI, the STM/Steel Toed Mocs is one of [childish insult] numerous aliases. Its funny to watch them post with several different names so as to appear others agree with them. I mean, who has so much time on their hands so as to make this [childish insult] up, then post it, then create aliases to agree with it? Talk [childish insult] ....
First off, what march did you see me with Terri on? I don't ever recall being on a march with her. Like most here in Tn., I was friendly with Terri but never friends, and when her true nature became clear, I cut all ties with her.
The letter "from" the EBCI is not "from" the EBCI at all, at least not one speaking about me. Not only does the EBCI have no record of ever sending any correspondence to [childish insult] [childish insult] who said she received the letter, but close examination of the letter proved it was altered-i.e. false.
I did not have a "falling out" with Tom. I presented proof of what Tom had done-digging into people's personal lives (I am just one of many) while sitting at the head of TNNAC. And in my case, with information gleaned from TNNAC's files that had been declared private. I provided this proof of his behavior at a public meeting attended by at least 75 people, and when questioned in front of this crowd, Tom's answers were truly classic: "Uh....uh...I don't remember. Uh..uh...my computer crashed."
But make no mistake, [childish insult], I deal with people and issues directly, not by posting on the 'net, not by passing on regurgitated lies.
As for me "disappearing", how does one disappear? I still live here as I have for about three years, I still work here, and I'm still active on issues all over the country. Hell, some of the [childish insult] recently made a big tado about me being "quoted" (not) as saying I was Blackfoot. How is that disappearing? The only thing I don't do that I used to is attend TNCIA meetings, since the commission has de-evolved into nothing more than a descendant/wannabee recognition body. When I and others were working so hard to establish the commission, I never dreamed it would abdicate its responsibilities and promise so completely. What a waste of time.
If someone ever took the time, they'd see that I have challenged those who have written about me time and again, and not only do they refuse to face me, but cannot prove what they say. But there again, the old saying about not doing something unless someone is talking about you holds true. I guess I'm a threat since I'm an identifiable Indian man who is fairly knowledgable about most Indian issues, and I've been in Indian Country working on them for years. I don't have to talk a big game, I walk the walk. I've been a part of projects too numerous to mention over the years, and over time, that alone lays the lies bare.
Now, where and when did we meet?
L
(Al's note: Again, Larry, we don't reward childishness, though your's does seem to be diminishing.)
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Larry, We did meet, at one of those meetings, but it has been well over a year ago, maybe closer to 2. Getting too old to remember dates, but we met very briefly. I only went to a couple of them. I am glad you replied. As you noticed all that concerned you was placed under "Research Needed". And of course, that means just what it says. Plus, the URLs are included. That leaves the validation up to the individual, if they are interested. I don't follow the TN Commission very closely. Occassionaly I will check to see where they are in their agenda. I just wondered if you were still here, as I haven't heard much about you for a while. I know this stuff doesn't really bother you, but you know how it is when things go unaddressed. I usually give people the benefit of the doubt unless they prove otherwise. So take care in your endeavors. frederica
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Someone using an email address beginning with ndnstud@... has reported this thread to me with these rather vague words:
Not sure if this will do any good, but these are falsehoods being spread by liars, about ceremony
Since the only person mentioned in connection with ceremony in this thread is Lawrence Sampson, I guess he is the, er, ndn stud who has complained. Lawrence insists that unlike all these people who mysteriously conspire to defame him he does things directly rather than via the internet. Yet he has an email address that screams "I try to pick up women in chatrooms".
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I got the same message Barnaby. I'm sure it's Larry. On Indianz.com he also goes by NDN Adonis. Ironic since photos of him show him to perhaps weigh 400 pounds.
Larry, I'm Al Carroll, in case you hadn't guessed. I'm actually glad you're here. Either we'll clear all this up as misconceptions, or we'll give you all the rope you need to hang yourself further.
You started off in here much the way you did at Indianz, all abuse and insults when anyone dares to ask you the simplest questions.
Unlike over at Indianz, that won't fly here. If you truly are the victim of this Vast Anti-Larry Conspiracy you claim, where absolutely everything said about you by anyone is a lie and an orchestrated campaign, kindly explain it and we'll be glad to listen.
But you don't help when you charge in and act like a 10 year who curses and insults because they think it makes them appear tough or more adult. If you choose to refuse to grow up, we have no time to be your babysitter.
I see more than a few problems with your claims of the Vast Anti Larry Conspiracy.
Amissa has never been a member of NAFPS as far as I know.
No one ever said anything about "guns", EXCEPT YOU. I posted a link where someone pointed out you'd been found to be carrying "weapons" numerous times at one of those groups you call wannabes or descendants.
The accusation was not anonymous. It was in fact made at a public meeting, and recorded. Care to explain?
Care to explain you lying about your discharge as well?
The claim you once said you were Blackfoot?
Your building ties to animal rights types?
And wisdomkeepers.org, which set off this whole thing in the first place?
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"I'm sure it's Larry. "
Actually, its Lawrence.
"Ironic since photos of him show him to perhaps weigh 400 pounds."
Actually, I'm a far sight from 400 pounds. This is not a good way to start, insulting someone you don't know and have seen what? A couple of pictures on the 'net. Excuse me if you're already suspect.
"You started off in here much the way you did at Indianz, all abuse and insults when anyone dares to ask you the simplest questions."
Back up there, [childish insult]. If you were on Indianz for the last year, you'd know that isn't even close to the truth. First, a couple of white chicks, [childish insult]and [childish insult], posted a number of falsehoods on Indianz. I went there to challenge them. Then a white dude-Moose started repeating those lies. From big ones to little ones, like about me dying my hair. When I challenged him to come here and see for himself, since he had family here, that I would put him up while he was here and he could see for himself-he balked. Now we all know why-he was a faud white guy.
Since that time, internet [childish insult] like Keely have repeatedly posted one lie after another, such as in February claiming I had warrants for my arrest. Warrants that never materialized and she's yet to admit lieing about nor apologized for. Then there are Steve's, such as that I had falsely claimed some military medals he never did name, and again couldn't prove because it was a lie.
And let's not forget the grandaddy of all, the allegation of child molestation. Didn't hear a peep out of you or anyone when there was nothing to validate that one.
I mean, excuse me if I'm not so worked up about your version of what's happened over there.
Now, thats the facts, I didn't go there, nor did I come here, insulting anyone. I challenged those who had already posted lies about me as tho they were fact. I challenged the posters to say whether they knew me or had ever had ANY interaction with me directly. Thus far, one person claims to have met me ONCE. In short, its a bunch of internet [childish insult]passing on unsubstantiated [childish insult].
YOU, however, re-posted the[childish insult] allegation that I had carried guns to a meeting-only you added your own spin that there had been "numerous" allegations of same. If there have been "numerous" allegations, then I am unaware of them, but in any event we are talking about anonymous allegations, certainly never proved and no evidence of such taking place exists. And unlike the rest of your spin, I've never "been found" carrying weapons. This is yet another of so many uncountable lies.
Now that you've passed on lies, told a few of your own, and insulted me on a personal level, do you really think I'm that concerned about what you think? Really, do you?
I'm still interested to see of how many of the Lawrence experts have ever interacted with me directly. I've yet to hear of any that even claim to have. Doesn't really lend much credibility to the fantastic stories, now does it?
L
(Al's note: Once more, we don't reward childishness. Larry is out of here until he grows up.)
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Larry, We did meet, at one of those meetings, but it has been well over a year ago, maybe closer to 2. Getting too old to remember dates, but we met very briefly. I only went to a couple of them. I am glad you replied. As you noticed all that concerned you was placed under "Research Needed". And of course, that means just what it says. Plus, the URLs are included. That leaves the validation up to the individual, if they are interested. I don't follow the TN Commission very closely. Occassionaly I will check to see where they are in their agenda. I just wondered if you were still here, as I haven't heard much about you for a while. I know this stuff doesn't really bother you, but you know how it is when things go unaddressed. I usually give people the benefit of the doubt unless they prove otherwise. So take care in your endeavors. frederica
Same to you, Frederica. Good luck in all you do.
L
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Osiyo Dohitsu Larry,
Seems your main point continues to be "have we met you face to face?" I have not I do know people who have heard you speak, buit than I never met any of the Presidents face to face, never met Custer, Our Ancestors, ect. I have however read articles,books, and heard them speak clear back to before Eisenhower, but than I should not take anything they had to say because I NEVER MET THEM FACE TO FACE!!!
INSULTS: I am continually amazed at [childish insult] that can be found on the 'net, and the [childish insult] posting it. I have become convinced that the 'net is the domain and supreme bathroom wall for [childish insult] [childish insult] about people they don't know and [childish insult] talking to face to face.
Cuz if all you're doing is passing on other people's benign farts, then it doesn't speak too well of your character,
First, a couple of white chicks, Assmisa and Donna the skank, posted a number of falsehoods on Indianz. I went there to challenge them. Then a white dude-Moose started repeating those lieS.
DEFENSIVENESS:So..."Weheli"...."frederica"...."educated Indian"....do tell: Have any of you ever met or had any experience with me face to face? If so, please give the particulars of your personal experience with me. If not, we'll all know that this is yet another of the [childish insult] on the internet [childish insult].
I'd love to see what experience [childish insult] have with me directly, if any. And while I most certainly will not get bogged down in yet another "he said/he said/she said" scenario, I'd be real interested to see who was where, when, and did what, with whom, and so forth. And please, lets not get into "I head this", or "I heard so and so"...thats too easy [childish insult] [childish insult]. Lets hear what you know for a fact from direct personal experience.
YOU SURE DO LOVE THE TERM [CHILDISH INSULT]
I imagine this will prove to be [childish insult][childish insult][childish insult], and who [childish insult], but hey it sure is [childish insult] [childish insult] [childish insult]ennit? Should that prove to be true, I've got more important things to do in real life . Its [childish insult].
I do not remember meeting you Frederica, and a name like that usually stands out in one's memory. SO DO YOU REMEMBER EVRY PERSON YOU COME IN CONTACT WITH?????
First off, what march did you see me with Terri on? I don't ever recall being on a march with her. but you could remember the name Frederica?? ???
Actually, its Lawrence.
Actually, I'm a far sight from 400 pounds. This is not a good way to start, insulting someone you don't know and have seen what? A couple of pictures on the 'net. Excuse me if you're already suspect
Back up there, hoss
Now, thats the facts, I didn't go there, nor did I come here, insulting anyone. SO WHAT ARE THE ABOVE. I AM OLD BUT I CALL THEM INSULTS hey?
DEMANDING:I'd love to see what experience [childish insult] have with me directly, if any. And while I most certainly will not get bogged down in yet another "he said/he said/she said" scenario, I'd be real interested to see who was where, when, and did what, with whom, and so forth. And please, lets not get into "I head this", or "I heard so and so"...thats too easy [childish insult] [childish insult]. Lets hear what you know for a fact from direct personal experience. ARE YOU CALLING US [childish insults] well if you are I personally will take it as a compiment, given my age. ;D
I'd like to know where you get the information which you posted before verifying its validity. Before I go answering anything, I've asked first who you are, and second what firsthand experience you have with me. Answer those questions and we can move forward. Cuz if all you're doing is passing on other people's benign farts, then it doesn't speak too well of your character, and I needn't waste my time with someone purely interested in smearing folks.
First off, what march did you see me with Terri on? I don't ever recall being on a march with her. Like most here in Tn., I was friendly with Terri but never friends, and when her true nature became clear, I cut all ties with her.
But make no mistake, [childish insult], I deal with people and issues directly, not by posting on the 'net, not by passing on regurgitated lies. :o SO WHAT ARE ALL THESE POST? CREATOR MY EYES ARE REALLY GETTING BAD, I AM SEEING THINGS THAT ISN'T THAR!!
Now, where and when did we meet?
L
SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF CONTRADICTIONS, BUT THAN I ONLY HAVE TO LIVE WITH ME. THERE IS A LOT TO BE SAID FOR SILENCE.
WEHELI
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Yes, there is a lot to be said for silence. Especially WHEN there is silence. Funny how people talk long and loud about what they "know", but when they get challenged directly as to what they REALLY know and how they came to know it, the silence becomes deafening.
As to knowing people who know someone who knows ABOUT someone, well let's see: You mentioned presidents, which is a good example. Listen to ten historians and you'll get ten different opinions about any president, from the awful to the sublime. Basically [childish insult]. Get the picture?
So what we've got here is a [childish insult]who posted [childish insult] [childish insult] about a person they don't know. Its just more of the same [childish and hypocritical insult]that permeates the web. This will be my last post here, as once again it is clear that this is yet another [childish insult] who[childish insult] [childish insult]they don't know, and wouldn't know if they passed him/her on the street.
It would be different if someone could say "I heard you say "blah, blah, blah", or "I saw you do such and such". But you guys[childish insult] , much less [childish insult]. It's all a [childish insult] of "I heard so and so from you know who, who heard it from another, who heard it from whats his name"....
Well [childish insult]. Life's too short-
L
(Al's note: Since Larry is once again doing nothing but hiding behind childish insults to avoid answering questions, we shouldn't let the door hit him too hard on the way out.)
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I have a question .
Claiming to be Indian on line can lead to people being trusted in ways that they shouldn't be , if these claims are not true , so I do understand the concerns.
If someone puts information on the internet claiming they are connected with a tribe in some way , and people have concerns this is not true , how exactly can that be verified , one way or another ?
If someone is enrolled in a tribe , or has relatives who are , and they claim this as their heritage , and they are getting unfairly harrassed , what exactly could they do , to verify to the on line community , that they are who they are ?
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Mama, I think behavior has a lot to do with it. A Troll is always going to be a Troll, can't change that. Let's pretend that these documents have been falsified. There have been numerous calls to EBC for validation. It's just not there. I am sure the EBC are tired of the calls. I don't think it's a crime not to be enrolled, but you need to be able to prove your claim. If you can't, say so. I have met people like that also. I think when people become bullies and devious questions really start to fly. I am aware there was an A-AIM in TN but it was listed as an Independent. I'm not sure what that means, I can guess, but he did not address the issue. This was posted around the first of this year. And of course it is political. http://aimgrandgovcouncil.blogspot.com "Other minor players and co-conspirators who on their websites continue to promote the devisive and confusing tactics of promoting the so-called Autonomous AIM is a person calling himself Lawrence Sampson who operates out of Tennessee and Texas". It's mostly about copyright violations and of course Ward Churchchill. But Al is correct in the weapons coming up. That was reported and recorded in one of the TICA's meetings. Behavior may times builds reputations, and then unfortunately the person has to live with it, especially if they continue to act in a certain way. Weheli and Al have some good points. But you can see not much really ever gets addressed. It just becomes a BS blame game. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. But I'm having a hard time getting past his behavior here. LOL No responsibility present. frederica
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Osiyo Lawrence,
You are right I have never met you face to face BUT I have seen you in the eyes of thousands. I have met you many, many times in the faces of others. I have felt your anger, loneliness, not knowing where you belong, hopelessness, unable to give or receive love, made fun of and bullied and not able to maintain any relationship of any significance. Its like akways having to fight for your very being at every turn, always on guard, and a get them before they get you way of live. Caught between many worlds.These are things my heart speaks to me.
I was taught a long time ago to really listen to what is not being said. I hear what you are really saying. I am listening. I want to know who you really are.
I know your childhood was chaotic, you did not feel loved and never have, you have always had to fight for everything, being of low selfesteem you set about to become somebody, striving for the attention you crave so deeply, however it seems to always back fire on you, doesn't it? Trying to fit in to so many worlds is confusing and as a result , you know what our people say, it will come back around and get you in the end. That is so true hey?
It seems others have no chance to get to know the real Lawrence, you push them away and build that wall around your self, stuffing ALL that SH... From looking at your picture you look to be a fine looking young man, well dressed and you take very good care of your appearance. Since I am an elderly woman I can say these things.
I have said these things from an old womans heart who has been around a long time and been through many things. These things is what my heart hears. So why don't you tell us about Lawrence an American Indian Man, with Honor and Integrity . Go inside LISTEN to your hear not your brain, Your heart has much to say to you.
I would like to know the Honorable Man not the one I who has been posting here.
nv-wa-do-hi-ya-da
Wado Weheli :)
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I was just here and read a response to my posting by Lawrence, he wasn't on line and for the first time it was a more Honorable response. Good thing I kept a copy. Wander where it went? ??? ??? ??? ???
Weheli
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Isn't that interesting? Kinda [childish insult], I guess[childish insult] . If you go back to my previous responses, they were edited expressly to keep them from being legible. Several times where it says "(childish insult)" it was nothing of the sort. By eliminating whole phrases, the result was you can't tell what was being said to begin with. Therefore, only the false accusations remain, and the rebuttals can't be deciphered.
Case in point: I closed a previous post with
"Well[childish insult]. Life's to short."
This was altered to read
"Well [childish insult]. Life's too short-
So... [childish insult]is a "childish insult"????
Changing the whole meaning of the post seems to have been the intent.
Kinda [childish insult], not to mention [childish insult]. Like I said, the longer I live, the more I see the same from the internet attackers. When challenged, they just[childish insult]. No matter, Drop me a line whenever.
L
ndnstud@bellsouth.net
(Al's note: Larry had been banned here for his childishness, but seems determined to keep coming back. If he grows up, and actually answers questions, he'd be welcome back. No sign of that so far.)
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Weheli, Larry seems determined to blame everyone for his own behavior but him. He was banned, but thanks to a tech glitch it didn't take.
For the record, his rebuttals were calling people "skanks" and "as s",insisting anyone who criticizes him is part of the Vast Anti Larry Conspiracy, and doing anything he can to avoid answering questions.
If he were to come back and try to be an adult, that's fine. If you want, write him and tell him so. Over a dozen posts later he still hasn't given a single straight answer.
And he's still spamming this board. Sheesh, what a child.
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They're your lies, tell em like ya want to! lol! ;D
L
[Barnaby's note] A member of the Vast Anti-Larry Conspiracy used this line on him a year ago on the indianz.com message board (http://www.indianz.com/board/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17673) (look for poster baxojegal). Anyway, we've banned Larry, but don't be surprised if Curly and Moe appear and continue insulting women.
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The Cherokee have flatly denied that you are enrolled or have ever been enrolled. No one wants to meet you face to face cause of your threats and bullying behavior. It is well known that you have a violent temper and unable to control yourself as you have shown with your language and insults on this board.
It is really strange how everyone else is liars and have it all wrong. Only you tell the truth. Just about every state knows of you and repudiates everything you say and do.
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Here's his DD214 (military separation papers) and arrest records. I deleted the SSN so no one could use it for ID theft. Also, even though he's listed repeatedly as white on his DD214, that isn't definitive. Recruiters pretty much put down what they want.
His nearest relative listed is a Smith, Sampson's actual last name. He was adopted.
A couple things I've pointed to with arrows.
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DD Form 214
CERTIFICATE OF RELEASE OR DISCHARGE FROM ACTIVE DUTY
SAMPSON LAWRENCE ELLIS
ARMY/RA
SSN-(deleted for privacy)
GRADE, RATE OR RANK: PV1
PAY GRADE: E1
DATE OF BIRTH: 670125
PLACE OF ENTRY INTO ACTIVE DUTY: HOUSTON, TX
LAST DUTY ASSIGNMENT AND MAJOR COMMAND: PCF TRADOC TC
TRADOC, Training and Doctrine Command
PRIMARY SPECIALTY
11H10 HEAVY ANTIARMOR WEAPONS INFANTRYMAN--3 YRS-5 MOS
DECORATIONS, MEDALS, BADGES, CITATIONS AND CAMPAIGN RIBBONS AWARDED OR AUTHORIZED
SOUTHWEST ASIA SERVICE MEDAL (2 BRONZE STARS)//ARMY ACHIEVEMENT
MEDAL//GOOD CONDUCT MEDAL//NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE MEDAL//ARMED FORCES
EXPEDITIONARY MEDAL//ARMY SERVICE RIBBON//EXPERT-QUALIFICATION BADGE, HAND GRENADE//SHARPSHOOTER QUALIFICATION GADGE, DRAGON
GUNNER//MARKSMAN-QUALIFICATION BADGE, M-16 RIFLE//COMBAT INFANTRYMAN
BADGE//PARACHUTIST BADGE WITH BRONZE STAR//KUWAIT LIBERATION
MEDAL//SERVICE IN SWA 17 AUG 1990 TO 3 APR 1991//PERIOD OF DEP:
871128-880111//
RECORD OF SERVICE
years months days
Net Active Service This Period 03 08 18
Foreign Service 00 07 17
MILITARY EDUCATION
NONE
MEMBER CONTRIBUTED TO POST-VIETNAM ERA VETERANS' EDUCATION ASSISTANCE
PROGRAM NO
MAILING ADDRESS AFTER SEPARATION
6800-4 WILLOW BROOK ST
FAYETTEVILLE, NC 28314
NEAREST RELATIVE
LARRY S. SMITH, RT 1, BOX 58
LUTTREL, TN 37779
TYPE OF SEPARATION DISCHARGE
>>>>>CHARACTER OF SERVICE UNDER OTHER THAN HONORABLE CONDITIONS
SEPARATION AUTHORITY AR 635-200, CHAPTER 10
SEPARATION CODE KFS
REENTRY CODE 3
>>>>>NARRATIVE REASON FOR SEPARATION FOR THE GOOD OF SERVICE-IN LIEU OF
COURT-MARTIAL
DATES OF TIME LOST DURING THIS PERIOD UNDER 10 U.S.C. 972:
910824-920217
Voluntary discharge
CHAPTER 10 -- In Lieu of Court-Martial
KFS In Lieu of Trial by Court-Martial
KFS - Good of the Service, in lieu of court martial
RE Code 3 (disregarding RE Code 1 on table below) when soldier's record
indicates (for current enlistment period) that soldier:
a. Is ineligible for or otherwise denied immediate reenlistment.
b. Has Declination of Continued Service Statement (DCSS).
c. Has grade and service criteria in AR 601-210, paragraph 3-10.
>>>>>d. Has time lost due to AWOL or confinement.
e. Has an Immediate Reenlistment Prohibition Code (IMPERP) of xx 9Txx.
REMARKS
Duty In Imminent Danger Pay Area.
(Panama) (20Dec89-12Jan90)
DBT - 178 5 mo 28 dA
>>>>>910824 AWOL
>>>>>910924 DROPPED FROM ROLLS (DESERTION)
920218 RETURNED FROM DFR SPC/PCF, FT KNOX, KY
23 MAR 1992 UOTHC Discharge Transition Center Ft Knox, KY
HOR - KATY TX
POE - HOUSTON, TX
>>>>returned from DFR deserter status
21.
TIME LOST Sec. 972, Title 10, USC)
FROM 920824
TO 920217
DAYS 178
>>>>>REASON AWOL TO DSTN (SEE #35)
Item 21 should show all time lost during his period of service. But, in this case, >>>>>the soldier had gone AWOL and had not returned, therefore, the initial date of AWOL is the only date entered at this time. The THRU and DAYS columns are lined out in pencil, and the notation "AWOL to Desertion (DSTN)(See item 35)" is added as an explanation.
CIVILIAN EDUCATION AND MILITARY SCHOOLS
SCHOOL MAJOR/COURS/MOSC DURAT COMP YEAR
KATY SR H S GEN 4 YR YES 85
USAIC 11HHVYANTIARWPNS 13 wk YES 88
USAIS Basic Abn (P) 3 wk YES 88
Airborne School / the 507th Parachute Infantry
1st Bn, (Airborne), 507th Parachute Infantry Regiment, Fort Benning, GA
PERSONAL AND FAMILY DATA
HEIGHT 70
WEIGHT 209
PLACE OF BIRTH TENNESSEE
SPOUSE
NUMBER OF DEPENDENTS
CIVILIAN OCCUPATION
CAMPAIGNS: DEFENSE OF SAUDI ARABIA
LIBERATION AND DEFENSE OF KUWAIT
RIFLE M16 BADGE
HAND GRE BADGE
TOW GUNNER BADGE
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Criminal Record
Cumberland Co., NC
SUBJECT: Lawrence Ellis Sampson
RACE: White
Case number 01992CR 038179
03/12/1993
CHARGE CLASS: misdemeanor
OFFENSE: Carrying Concealed Weapon <<<<<
DISPOSITION: Not found - N/A - Voluntary dismissal
Cumberland Co., NC
SUBJECT: Lawrence E. Sampson
RACE: White
CASE #: 01993CR 015679
06/08/1993
CHARGE CLASS: Felony
OFFENSE: Larceny of Chose in Action.
DISPOSITION: Not found - N/A - voluntary dismissal
McDowell Co., NC
SUBJECT: Lawrence Ellis Sampson
RACE: Other
CASE #: 01993CRS001089
05/26/1993
CHARGE CLASS: Misdemeanor
OFFENSE: Carrying Concealed Weapon <<<<<
DISPOSITION: Guilty - Judgment - $50 fine
Harris Co., TX
SUBJECT: Lawrence Ellis Sampson
RACE: White
CASE #:951576501010
04/24/1995
CHARGE CLASS: Misdemeanor-B
OFFENSE: Theft >=$20 > $500
SENTENCE: 1 year on probation $100 fine
Probation Discharge 04/24/1996
CASE #:970698601010
07/10/1997
CHARGE CLASS: Misdemeanor-A
OFFENSE: Assault Causes bodily Injury <<<<<
SENTENCE: 1 year probation - $4000 fine
CASE #: 993021701010
07/16/1999
CHARGE CLASS: Misdemeanor-A
OFFENSE: Unl Carrying Weapon <<<<<
SENTENCE: 10 days in jail, $89 Court Cost
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His military record is not what he claims.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aim/message/1197
"Now, you claim to have joined the "Army's 82nd Airborne Division"...ok, fine...they are an infantry unit with
parachuting capabilities...but NO training for any special warfare or other unconventional training of any type. You say "In covert operations, he contributed to the U.S. capture of Panamanian leader Manuel Noriega."
BUT...there was only small detachment of 82nd personnel for security for the airport...Noriega was brought in by Special Forces Group with the 1st Ranger battalion and deployment ws 1st, 2nd and 3rd battalion of the 504th parachute regiment. This was on Dec. 29th, 1989...Operation Just Cause.
Ok, then you say that "in subsequent covert missions in the highlands of Central and South America, most for drug interdiction" you started to "identify with the foe: indigenous Indians"...well, we've never done any covert mission against indiginous people in S. America...we do have drug interdiction missions
HOWEVER, this is done by 3rd battalion 7th Special Forces group and once again, the 82nd is not trained for these kinds of missions. Plus, from what i understand...they are under STRICT ORDERS not to speak of anythign they've done.
Ok, Let's move on to Desert Shield and Desert Storm....10th Special Forces Group was in charge of disrupting Iraqi communications and rescuing downed pilots....82nd Airborne is NOT trained for this...they are infantry men who jump out of C-130s...period. Now, the 82nd Airborne Division, 2nd Brigade WAS deployed to Saudi...to provide armored security for the 18th Ariborne Corp..but no airborne jumpes were made by the 82nd....although they did help with surrendering Iraqis and confiscating weapons...but then, just about every unit over there did that as the Iraqi were surrendering without a fight and in the thousands....
Now...your ribbons....you claim to have been shot...yet there is no record of a Purple Heart...all the awards you speak of are "gimmes" that the Army hands out...you say you were awarded 2 CIB's...my
contacts say they've never heard of that...Bottom line, Larry....they say you are full of it...the 82nd Airborne is not trained in counter terrorism tactics, hostage situations, etc...therefore, you could not have done what you say...
My information says you were a personnel clerk and did not see combat. Now, granted, we did not have your social security number nor your date of birth...so, if you are willing to provide these...and know that we had the wrong Lawrence Sampson...I will be happy to call these people back and give them the SSN and exact DOB to double check....otherwise, I have to say that I think my info is right...
and remember, Larry...you told us, face to face...that you had Special Ops training....was it a lie? An exageration to make you look better to us? What was it?"
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Here's an article, with a relatively recent photo, in which Sampson poses as an AIM spokesperson (http://republican-news.org/archive/2002/May30/29indi.html). Republican News is the organ of Sinn Fein, which during the Troubles in Northern Ireland was referred to in the British media as the political wing of the IRA (prompting Republicans to joke that the British parliament was the political wing of the army). There was a large overlap in leadership between Sinn Fein and the IRA, which did things like this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/20/newsid_2544000/2544121.stm) on the British mainland.
(http://republican-news.org/archive/2002/May30/29laur.jpg)
The portrait on the wall behind Sampson is of Bobby Sands, the famous/infamous IRA hunger striker and martyr.