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Title: Possible fake
Post by: Amberlady on December 13, 2007, 02:28:01 pm
This guy is not trying to make money, but I strongly suspect him of being a fraud and would apreciate your opinions of the following statement:

I have been taught my my elders, including my Arbeeka, my Heles'hias, including my head heles'hia who was taught by Tema Tiger and several other renouned Creek Squareground Functionarys. These people are not fake by any means and well up in age. Infact my Head Heles'hia is currently in the hospital dieing as we speak and will not make it past the dark days.

He claims to be a member of the Muskogee (his spelling) Creek nation, he also goes on a lot about the Red Path which I understand is a purely New Age invention
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Moma_porcupine on December 13, 2007, 03:39:58 pm
Hi Amberlady and welcome !

Is this person you are wondering about, affiliated with this Muskogee Creek group ?

http://web.archive.org/web/20040423020118/theblackwaterband.tripod.com/id18.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20040423020118/theblackwaterband.tripod.com/id18.htm)

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Who we are

During the removal of 1838, many American Indians had to hide to escape being sent to Oklahoma. Many tried to enter the population as mulatto, French and as black. Of these, many were taken in and helped by some of the white settlers and  some were taken in and treated as slaves.

 Many from Alabama and Georgia fled to Florida to hide in the deep woods and swamps. Not all who came to Florida went to  the peninsular. Some stayed in the panhandle with friends and relatives that would hide them, and some simply survived in  the wilderness.

 As years passed, the white population did not fear the Indians as much and soon ignored them when they would see them. Some were lucky enough to find work and some lucky enough to gain a piece of property and farm. Soon, the whites began to
intermarry again with the Indians as many had done before the removal.

Most of Indian descent tried to hide that fact and would not teach their children the old ways. They had to "BE WHITE" in order, or so they thought, to keep from being sent to Oklahoma. This belief continues on even today with many of Indian descent.

Many of us have learned of our heritage and we are trying to live as such. We practice the language and participate in many cultural activities. Some of us may have light hair and blue eyes, but we are Indian. We may not be 100% blood,  but we all have proven our linage back to American Indians before the removal.

This group seems to have some connection with some other New Age people in England and Germany .

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1006 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1006)

Grey Wolf & Tonya
Reply #35 on: January 20, 2007, 12:49:00 am ยป

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The Blackwater Tribe of The Lower Mvskokee ring a bell thats whats on you addopation forgies the real name is The Blackwater Band of Lower Mvskokee inc. a 501 c3 club not FEDERALLY NON-RECOGNIZED not STATE RECOGNIZED not FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED a club and that is all not native bye any means

Some additional names and pictures of these folks are in the links below
http://web.archive.org/web/20061019062648/home.arcor.de/muskokee/pow05.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20061019062648/home.arcor.de/muskokee/pow05.htm)


http://web.archive.org/web/20040804175908/http://theblackwaterband.tripod.com/id17.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20040804175908/http://theblackwaterband.tripod.com/id17.htm)

There is a few more details and questions about this so called Muskokee tribe in the thread below.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1390.0 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1390.0)

I'd be suprised if there is two so called Muskokee Creek tribes in Europe, but I guess there is no limit to what people can imagine , so anything is possible. 
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Rhiannonb on December 13, 2007, 03:53:28 pm
Here's some further quotes:

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Being Muskogee is like being an American. It is a nation of tribes that is bonded under a treaty of the Muskogee Confederacy. Same thing with The Cherokee, the Denay (Navajo), and all the other Native nations. In the old times before the removial, there were 42 Towns of the Muskogee Confederacy. Today we only 13 towns left. When people think of Native Americans, they do not call us by nations, only by tribes because of how our towns was set up. In the way it was set up, The towns represented like a State to the United States. It is a spicific town of a paticular clan. There are 4 clans, Wind, Sky, Earth, and Water. These clans represent the kind of medicine a person holds. I am Muskogee of the Tuskeegee Fire(Town) of the Earth Clan. But in other words, yes, i do have my red card and on State Roles and currently trying to get on Federal Roles. Most Creeks on the east coast cannot get on the federal roles without going though Oklahoma because of the asumption of all the natives were moved out during the trail of tears.

Muskogee is the new day term. It was origionally Muskokee. The same with Yothvnkv (Yothunkuh), which means "Creator" or "GrandFather". It is the old Muskogee word meaning Creator, which was turned to Hesagadamissee (Hes-aga-da-missee), translated to "The Giver of Breath."

Yv'kvpake(Yu'kupakee) Aholoce(Ah-olo-chee) is translated to "Walking Clouds". It refers to having your spirit traveling while awake, unlike a vision quest, where your body is in a semi-hibernated state during the quest.

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The Creek Language is very simple to learn, and when spoken fluently sounds a bit like dutch, but more drawn out. like with the word Mvskoke, it the o, which is the long O sound like in Note, is drawn out, Mvsko-kee. Yo-thvnkv. Hvmgan Este Feke! (humgan Este Feekee) One Heart People! It is a very old saying of my people meaning that we all are one with the earth and of the Creator, Yuohvnkv. Or in other words, We are all one cantesness experiancing itself self-objectively, and even though we are all induvisuals, we are all one mind at the end.

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The term "One Fire People" comes from the simbology of the Fire. The fire represents the spirit of all, and was given to us by Yothvnkv, also known as Hesaketvmese. In one of the Creation storys, The Cedar Tree was blessed by Yothvnkv to stay green all year long and to never die in the winter. As he did so, he struck the Cedar Tree with lighting and setting it on fire. This was on an island in the middle of a great lake, and the water spider went across and brought the fire to the poeple in a web basket on her back. This is also why the Cedar tree is sacred. My Clan and Town's tree is the Cedar Tree. I am from the Earth clan, and my town is Tuskeeggee, which is the Creek word for Earth. It is the domenate town for all Earth people.


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I am Cufe Bonkedo of the Fire of Tuskeegee

There's also something about cloud walking?  I couldn't find any online references to Yothvnkv (the word claimed for God).

Amberlady - I think this person is from the States, not European?
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Amberlady on December 13, 2007, 04:53:05 pm
He is from the states, he claims to have been a registered Muskogee from the age of five and hints that he spends at least some of his time on tribal land
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: frederica on December 13, 2007, 08:28:51 pm
I don't know who "he" is, but Tema Tiger is a pretty well known Traditional Mvskogee Singer and Stomp Leader. And where are you talking about, Okla, Flordia, or Alabama.
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Amberlady on December 14, 2007, 01:01:24 pm
Why is it when you challenge a New Ager other people, including those you had thought to be sensible Pagans, rush to their defense with this ridiculous "Everybody has the right to believe what they want" attitude.  I would imagine its the same here as in the UK, this very attitude is destroying the very culture they claim to represent.

This guy posted this pic, if this is not a reenactment group I'll eat my new Kangaroo leather hat.
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: educatedindian on December 14, 2007, 02:24:44 pm
The only place this Cufe Bonkedo shows up online is at myspace pages, where he goes by Mista Wallice, age 18, of Bainbridge Georgia. There are some photos of him in regalia. He could have very low blood quantum, or perhaps just is lighter than the rest of his family. I don't see any sign of him doing anything except perhaps wanting to appear knowledgeable to European pagans for whatever reason.

Not being Muscogee I can't comment on how well done that regalia is or is not. I've never seen a Confederate flag at a powwow, though a few people in the Five Tribes think the symbol is OK. Many more don't agree.
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: frederica on December 14, 2007, 05:40:59 pm
Bainbridge Georgia is in Decatur County, southeast corner. There are two State Recognized Tribes in the area. One in Cairo, in the adjecent county, the Lower Muskogee Creek Tribe Inc. and then you have the Georgia Kokenehv Nation.  The latter had some problems but haven't heard any more about it.  If he is enrolled as he says ask for his card. Many Pow wows now require dancers to be carded, as well as vendors. I've seen Confederate Flags, but mainly at southern Powwows. The Tigers that I am aware of are mainly Okla., you can also check with the Tribal Registrar.
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Cvfe Bonkedo on December 14, 2007, 09:54:59 pm
I just love how people give out my information without permission.  Which is a Legal offence here in the States.  I have no problems about you asking about me here, but using photos and giving out personal information on any forum is considered ID fruad and is a very hefty offence.  That does blow my mind that you would not consider that.

But alas, if the moderater of this site wants to check me out, then by all means I'll give you my Red Card and Roll numbers. And I can tell you i am atleast 1/16, and The woodland natives skin wasn't as dark as others because of the Appalation Forest.

And the Confederate flag was hung in the Booth next to Papa Jerry, (Lokvs Meeko). It was some wierd guy's booth.  I didn't pay too much attention, I was too busy dancing.
 Mvdo.
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Cvfe Bonkedo on December 14, 2007, 10:10:27 pm
I just love how people give out my information without permission.  Which is a Legal offence here in the States.  I have no problems about you asking about me here, but using photos and giving out personal information on any forum is considered ID fruad and is a very hefty offence.  That does blow my mind that you would not consider that.

But alas, if the moderater of this site wants to check me out, then by all means I'll give you my Red Card and Roll numbers. And I can tell you i am atleast 1/16, and The woodland natives skin wasn't as dark as others because of the Appalation Forest.

And the Confederate flag was hung in the Booth next to Papa Jerry, (Lokvs Meeko). It was some wierd guy's booth.  I didn't pay too much attention, I was too busy dancing.
 Mvdo.

Oh and no, that is not traditional Muskogee Regilia.  That is my Men's traditional Regelia for Intertribal pow wows.  As you can see on my shield, it's not finnished quite yet, my Clan and tribal colors aswell as the Squareground and Prophacy simbols.  and My head Heles'hiha  is currently dieing of type 4 lung cancer. Mr. Dan was quite a good teacher.

And on another note, please remove my picture off the thread, for it was posted without my awareness or consent. Mvdo and my apologies for any aggervations or trubles this may have cost.  Please do note that I am not mad for this, and actually aplud those who came and asked.  It goes to show that they have some sort of head on thier sholders.  But I wish they would do it a bit more gracefully.

Woops! My apologies for the Double post. I thought i hit the modify button.
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: frederica on December 14, 2007, 10:25:24 pm
Why don't you send Amberlady a message and work it out off the forum. Just go to her name. Mouse it and a screen will come up to send a message. You don't want to put your roll # up on a public forum. Thanks.
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Cvfe Bonkedo on December 14, 2007, 10:30:24 pm
Generally I would, but Seeing how she came here with others and posted other background information of mine, I would feel much better if a Moderator of this site do it.  That way I know this situation will be taken care of in the propor mannor.  Again, my apologies for any aggervations.
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: frederica on December 14, 2007, 10:33:45 pm
okay, no problem, I'll try, but may have to get Al to do it. okay got the picture down.
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Cvfe Bonkedo on December 14, 2007, 10:37:52 pm
Okay, thank you. Anything that we can do to get this situation resolved.
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: frederica on December 14, 2007, 10:51:49 pm
I sent a message, so seeing what can be done.
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Cvfe Bonkedo on December 14, 2007, 11:05:24 pm
Ah very much abliged.  Hopefully we can find away to tell them so they can understand. Mvdo.
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Moma_porcupine on December 14, 2007, 11:56:36 pm
I'm not wanting to imply anything about anyone either way, but Cvfe Bonkedo , if that picture was found on line and you put it there, IMO you don't have have much right to complain that it ended up being shown and discussed in a way you did not intend, as it was already in the public relm.

I don't think discussions of information you put about yourself into the public relm are in any way illegal , and what was said was really really vauge . People do have a right to ask questions.

If people publicly make claims about them self I don't think they should feel unfairly scrutinized by people publicly asking questions to verify these claims.

If you are concerned about people discussing things you feel are private, you might want to take some time to more carefully consider what you put out there on the internet or what you tell to people you don't know well , because once you put something out there it can travel and change in ways you never intended. Which is probably one of the reasons none of the traditional people I know would ever post anything deeply personal on the internet.
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Cvfe Bonkedo on December 15, 2007, 12:02:58 am
Yes I do actually.  Being a Programer and a Web programer, i need to know the laws of the W3C, which states that any personal photo any public domain still needs the owner's permission before reposting on another public site.  This also goes with personal information.  You cannot transfer any kind of personal information of a person without thier content from one public forum to another.  And not only did they not have my permission, they do not have the permission of the origional owner of that Photo of where I aquired it from.  Seeing how the photo was given to me and is on my hard drive, I am now aswell the owner of that photo.  But hey, i'm usually not a stiffler about such trivial things, but in this case and the purpose of it's intent.  As the personal owner of that picture, I request that is it removed, which you are now abligated of doing so.
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Moma_porcupine on December 15, 2007, 12:24:31 am
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the W3C, which states that any personal photo any public domain still needs the owner's permission before reposting on another public site.  This also goes with personal information.  You cannot transfer any kind of personal information of a person without their content from one public forum to another.
Cvfe

If there is such a law, it would be helpful if you could post a link to somewhere on the internet where it is mentioned.

As far as I know as long as it isn't for commercial purposes, and the purpose is educational, a certain amount of reproduction of information is OK .

http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/copyright/fairuse.html (http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/copyright/fairuse.html)
or
http://www.mediafestival.org/copyrightchart.html  (http://www.mediafestival.org/copyrightchart.html)
   
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*  Photograph
    * Illustration
    * Collections of photographs
    * Collections of illustrations

Single works may be used in their entirety but not more than 5 images by an artist or photographer. From a collection, not more than 15 images or 10%, whichever is less.    Fair Use Guidelines for Educational Multimedia
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Barnaby_McEwan on December 15, 2007, 10:50:28 am
I just love how people give out my information without permission.  Which is a Legal offence here in the States.  I have no problems about you asking about me here, but using photos and giving out personal information on any forum is considered ID fruad and is a very hefty offence.

ID fraud? That's utter rubbish: no one is impersonating you. If you feel uncomfortable about our scrutiny then, as has been pointed out, the way to stop it is to make sure any claim you make about your heritage stands up.

Yes I do actually.  Being a Programer and a Web programer, i need to know the laws of the W3C, which states that any personal photo any public domain still needs the owner's permission before reposting on another public site.  This also goes with personal information.  You cannot transfer any kind of personal information of a person without thier content from one public forum to another.  And not only did they not have my permission, they do not have the permission of the origional owner of that Photo of where I aquired it from.  Seeing how the photo was given to me and is on my hard drive, I am now aswell the owner of that photo.

Again, rubbish. I'm surprised a web programmer like yourself isn't familiar with the concept of inline linking (http://www.chillingeffects.org/linking/notice.cgi?NoticeID=491). If you want to post images of yourself online, get your own site up and prevent linking to images with mod_rewrite and .htaccess: that should be a trivial task for a web programmer.

We could probably wallpaper your house inside and out with the empty legal threats we've received, so don't bother.
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Moma_porcupine on December 15, 2007, 04:21:04 pm
Gee the things that turn up with a Google search!

When I saw that picture of Cvfe Bonkedo my thought was that he was a very young man, and being curious, I did a search on the word "Yothunkuh", which was mentioned in the post above;

Cvfe Bonkedo
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The same with Yothvnkv (Yothunkuh), which means "Creator" or "GrandFather". It is the old Muskogee word meaning Creator, which was turned to Hesagadamissee (Hes-aga-da-missee), translated to "The Giver of Breath."

I couldn't find any websites containing that word except one, and taking a look,I was suprised to find Blissful_Darkness, and what looks to be our first teenage Muskokee vampire. 

http://vampirefreaks.com/Devils_magic  (http://vampirefreaks.com/Devils_magic)

Blissful_Darkness
Nov 30, 2007, 12:53am
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I live a half hour away in Bumb fuck Georgia. Oh, I'm Wallice btw, you can call me wallice or Rabbit, (con...) I'm Muskoggee myself. If you need anything, some knowledge shared, or even a person to bitch at, I'm all ears.(con...
)

http://vampirefreaks.com/journal.php?u=Blissful_Darkness  (http://vampirefreaks.com/journal.php?u=Blissful_Darkness)

Blissful_Darkness
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I just love pow wows. They allways releave my stress and put me back in my most primal form, my most purest form, my most honored form. When I'm dancing, I'm not just dancing for myself, and not just to Yothunkuh eather. I dance for my people,for my loved ones, my ansetors.(con...)

Blissful_Darkness
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And as an old saying of my people goes, "Este Feke Humgan" (Esteh fee-kee Hum-gan). One Heart People!

Blissful_Darkness
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Lol I just love how everyone assumes they know me. I really should just make my Mental Health folder public just so people may begin to understand who I am. Go ahead, say what you want about me. I honestly do not give a flying fuck. I'll look at you and lauph in your face in your arrogance. Call me self centered, call me pathetic, and I'll just sit back and and enjoy your proformance. You lauph because I do not have alot of friends.(con...)
Blissful_Darkness

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The red wolf Awackens....   
Look into my eyes, the Beast Imbraced!
No longer shall I fear, nor shall suffer!
My demons that torment my mind,
the voices, the crys,
I have imbraced them all, and under my controll.
They shall fight my battles,
And spread fear in my Enamies!
The Red Wolf shall feast on thier fleash,
And I shall drink thier blood! (con...)


http://vampirefreaks.com/Blissful_Darkness  (http://vampirefreaks.com/Blissful_Darkness)
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Sex:  male
Age: 18
Location: , , United States

Likes:
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Theology, Spirituallity, Self-perfection, self-reliance. I love to Dance, many people have told me that you can see my Soul when I dance. I love the advancement of Technology, but dispise the dependancy people get from it.
Dislikes:
Organized Religion, Bastarization of one's belifes or culture. I also hate iggnorance and stupidity and the fear that comes with it. Not to mention the people who are sheep, which I feel most of humanity is nothing more. It sickens me that your normal person cannot tell you anything about thier family, even can't tell you the past 3 generations.

Well, his profile sounds like he is an intellegent and  thoughtful person!  :)

http://vampirefreaks.com/journal_friends.php?u=Okamiko&b=0&pg=2  (http://vampirefreaks.com/journal_friends.php?u=Okamiko&b=0&pg=2)

Blissful_Darkness
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Ansesters of old, Bless me.
   
(begins...)
Although 4 Souls are no longer in Body,
Still watching out over us all.
They Stand in the South Tower,
Guarding All who gazes apun.
They Call apun the 3 Guardians,
The Bear, Guardian of the Souls.
The Panther, Guardian of Law.
The Ant, Guardian of the Earth.
They all come and watch over,
Keeping balance to the universe.
But they do not do this alone,
For Yothunkuh watches over all.
And Sent down the 4 Hiohgee,
to give man thier medicine.
And assended back to Hesagatamissee
I don't know if this last is something from Muskokee traditions.

I don't like to make a big deal about a teenager writing poetry thats a bit on the dark side and mixing this with a bit of traditional knowledge, but I do want to say , I'm not sure mixing anything traditional with some of this other stuff is a good idea. I've always felt the connection with the ancestors is like a life line, and getting that tangled up with anything on the dark side, seems like it could be dangerous to anyone involved.

Cvfe Bonkedo
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I am Muskogee of the Tuskeegee Fire(Town) of the Earth Clan. But in other words, yes, i do have my red card and on State Roles and currently trying to get on Federal Roles. Most Creeks on the east coast cannot get on the federal roles without going though Oklahoma because of the asumption of all the natives were moved out during the trail of tears.
For people that don't know, many of the tribes that are State recognized are pretty questionable, and generally speaking, most federally recognized Native people are uncomfortable with people claiming to be Indian , if they don't have any fedrerally recognized living relatives who recognize them as Indian .

I guess every situation is a bit different, and if someone of distant ancestry has a respectful relationship with recognized Elder's, I don't think anyone would want to diminish that relationship.

This website is mostly concerned with people assuming a position of authority or knowledge that they don't really have and using this in a way that misleads people or corrupts the integrity of traditions, and as long as people are respectful it seem peoples claims of being of Native descent are let be.

I hope Cvfe Bonkedo doesn't take this is criticism, because I'm not really wanting to criticize Goth or being young or being a distant descendant who still feels connected. I'm not sure what to think except I just feel a bit concerned that some of the things he is expressing find a good way to work in his life. He has some talent as a writer,  and I hope he finds whatever it is he needs to live a good and full life.   
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: frederica on December 15, 2007, 05:40:17 pm
He is enrolled in a State Recognized Tribe in Georgia. He's around 18. Everything else seems to be above board. No claiming to be a "Shaman" or "Medicine Person". Just a PODIA trying to learn his culture. Don't know anything about Goths, except they are even on the Rez now. Doesn't seem to be the healthest activity I've ever seen. But I don't believe he is a fake, just is what he is. I took the picture down as a request, It wouldn't be considered illegal, even with the new Federal Laws.
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Cvfe Bonkedo on December 15, 2007, 10:13:38 pm
Again and thank you for all of your help.  I may seem a bit harsh here, but I really don't mean it.  My life is very stressful at the moment.  I just found out that My Elder has passed away today at noon, and has asked me to be a poll bearer. Mr. Dan Huchenson was a very good friend, teacher, and a father to me.  I will mis him deeply.

As for Tama, I know and fully understand it's current condition.  I am fully aware of the Politics that are being played there. But even though, It is my home and will forever be my home.  The select few that have the Reservation in it's current state tryed thier best to run me off because I was trying to learn the ways of my people.  We are still trying to get our federal reconition. Don't quote me on this one, but if i remember correctly the main Creek reservation in Oklahoma is or were helping us out at one point in time.  Even if we don't get federal reconition, Tama will allways be my home.

And no worrys to you Moma_porcupine.  I am who I am and I am proud of that fact. I am glad that you think I have some skill writing. No one has ever told me that.
Mvdo.
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Amberlady on December 15, 2007, 11:42:45 pm
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I don't like to make a big deal about a teenager writing poetry thats a bit on the dark side and mixing this with a bit of traditional knowledge, but I do want to say , I'm not sure mixing anything traditional with some of this other stuff is a good idea

this is what rang warning bells in my mind when I first came across Cvfe Bonkedo, or blissful Darkness as he is known on that forum, the mix of goth and Indian spirituality did not seem to sit well, that  and his almost violent reaction to me asking for him to back up his claims of being a tribal member.  Cvfe Bonkedo if you had given me details of your registration right from the beginning a lot of aggravation could have been avoided

I ams not sure what the situation is at Tama Village, whether the problems you refer to are down to people trying to run the place as a money making venture (which is the impression I get of the place at present) or whether people are trying to remove those that they don't consider Indian enough.

What you must also realise is that most UK residents will be singularly unimpressed with the minimum requirements for citizenship - being able to trace your linage back to an enrolled Creek Indian in 1906.  If you apply the same criteria to the average UK resident then we would probably be able to claim citizenship to France, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Poland, Russia India, South Africa, Zimbabwe as well being able to claim membership of a dozen or more Romany or Irish Tinker clans, such is the diversity of our culture

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and what looks to be our first teenage Muskokee vampire.

BTW deleting any potential embarrassing references to yourself on-line only makes you appear all the more suspicious


Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Cvfe Bonkedo on December 16, 2007, 01:36:41 am
And again you contenue to harass me even on this site.  You got your information Amber.  And I did answer you very bluntly in 3 different posts, which was then quoted by the Site Administrator.  Which then you proceeded to call me fake, which led us to here.  You now have the information that you wish to have.  Drop it and let me be.  You don't see me harassing you about your background.  I am who I am. Nothing more and nothing less.  Everything about me you can find quite easily rather it be on Vampirefreaks or any role playing site.  So what I have hobbys.  I'm on vampirefreaks because of a few friends of mine asked me to join and so I did.  Oh, and those deleted posts on my writting thread were poems that I written for an now ex girlfriend for your information.

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I don't know much about Native American culture, but as someone who wishes to remove New age influence on both European and Native American culture I have been welcomed by the tribal chiefs of many nations and I am learning fast
-Amberlady

I'm still interested in what  Chiefs and nations you have been welcomed by and what you have been 'quickly' learning.
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Amberlady on December 16, 2007, 10:57:02 am
Relax Big Chief Full of Bull - You have give me what I want and I have far better things to do with my time then harass paranoid teenagers. just bear mind however when you post in the UK there are are increasing numbers of us who are not as prepared to be as gullible as we used to be. 
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Cvfe Bonkedo on December 16, 2007, 01:51:55 pm
Whatever you say Miss Chronebitter. You have been dodging that question for 4 days now. And I bet other members of this site would like to know Which Chiefs you have been welcomed by and what a person of no BQ what so ever would  be learning by these said chiefs.
Title: Re: Possible fake
Post by: Barnaby_McEwan on December 16, 2007, 02:40:32 pm
The childish behaviour in this thread stops now.