Wm Fredrick Posey AKA Turtle Heart - "Ojibwe Indian Priest" living in Italy

[loudcrow]

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This is what he was peddling when he was running his BBS (Bulletin Board Service .... requires a modem and telephone line or UNIX telnet commands
to upload/download files, etc.) in March 1993. Since he was using an IBM 8086, I am assuming it was a dialup (modem/phoneline) BBS since those were MS-DOS
based personal computers.

I also find this link: www.mit.edu/activities/aises/aicap/archive/aicap.html
but it is dead. This is a valid M.I.T. website (mit.edu) and the user is now redirected to yet another dead website. I will do some more research to see
if I can find more information about this.

[loudcrow]

The only link I was able to find between Turtle Heart and M.I.T. was the inclusion of his American Indian Computer
Art Project listed in newsgroups available on the Internet. Remember, at this time the Internet was text-based
and there were newsgroups to which members subscribed. Most of the newsgroups files were maintained by
major colleges and universities so this makes perfect sense. His name does not appear in this list of bona-fide
Native Americans who attended M.I.T. during this time period.

[debbieredbear]

The crazy was the owner of the shop, and if Posey was the owner of the shop, then yes.

[Epiphany]

The crazy was the owner of the shop, and if Posey was the owner of the shop, then yes.

William F Posey does appear in public records in Quilcene and Lilliwaup.

The name House of Song Dog sounds very familiar, probably drove by it in the past. I don't see him listed in the WA state public court records but he could easily be there under another name, plus the public interface doesn't give us access to everything.

[Epiphany]

Checked the Washington State Patrol WATCH database for WA state convictions, didn't find anything there.

Attached some clips from Taos News 2001, focus on his art.

One of his sources for ideas on how to present himself as a supposed wabeno may be the 1987 book The Shaman : Patterns of Religious Healing Among the Ojibway Indians
http://books.google.com/books?id=Xpok57qPZcIC&pg=PA145&lpg=PA145&dq=wabeno+juggler&source=bl&ots=QiuX7TBBib&sig=LHUxa0CKQt7zNsUVPtZtJQ41wOI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mcSrUdv2L8SniALn-4FI&ved=0CEIQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=wabeno%20&f=false

[loudcrow]

At http://www.aicap.org/accomplish.html he claims his work was archived in the Permamant Collection of the Smithsonian Computer History section
in 1995. Previous claims say 1997.

He also claims to have had a formal counsel and pipe ceremony in New Jersey with the Dalai Lama of Tibet.

Another strange claim is involvement with an eagle feather that circled the Earth submerged in a U.S. atomic submarine.

[Autumn]

In 1995 Turtle Heart was archived in the Permamant Collection of the Smithsonian Computer History section. This was for the many unique contributions AICAP and Turtle Heart made over the years to helping American Indians embrace the internet. He was also honored for being the first American Indian artist to have an exhibition and sales of a collection of digital computer art, in the world.

(Emphasis Mine)

http://www.aicap.org/accomplish.html

So, Turtle Heart was archived in the Smithsonian?  I would really, really love to know what, if anything is at the Smithsonian that is related to Turtle Heart.  Is it Turtle Heart himself, the AICAP internet project, or a piece of art??  The way he has it worded above, it is for his "unique contributions" over the years so that sounds pretty vague.

[Epiphany]

If something he did was archived at Smithsonian, surely it would be listed here http://collections.si.edu/search/

I've tried his various names and other search terms, don't see anything.

Wonder if he is talking about this: http://siris-libraries.si.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?&profile=all&source=~!silibraries&uri=full=3100001~!766267~!0#focus
   

Presents an index of Native American resources on the Internet. Offers access to sites related to culture, history, education, art, and archaeology. Provides access to related government agencies, commercial sites, and nonprofit organizations, as well as museums, nations, and legal resources. Links to home pages, bibliographies, and job listings, as well as the Aboriginal Studies section of the WWW Virtual Library. Also included is an extensive list of links for Native authors.

Began 1994, Smithsonian has description based on 2005 view of http://www.hanksville.org/NAresources/

That site search http://www.hanksville.org/NAresources/NAsearch.php Doesn't seem to function anymore. Wayback Machine doesn't give access either.

If so, he once again is misrepresenting himself.

I think he is anyway. Why wouldn't his boasts include the actual title of the work with description? He's an artist, he describes his other works fully, what materials used etc., why not this supposed work? Or is it simply a url of his site, maybe some description, that was on an index site, that was archived by Smithsonian Libraries?

[Autumn]

Began 1994, Smithsonian has description based on 2005 view of http://www.hanksville.org/NAresources/

That site search http://www.hanksville.org/NAresources/NAsearch.php Doesn't seem to function anymore. Wayback Machine doesn't give access either.

If so, he once again is misrepresenting himself.

I think he is anyway. Why wouldn't his boasts include the actual title of the work with description? He's an artist, he describes his other works fully, what materials used etc., why not this supposed work? Or is it simply a url of his site, maybe some description, that was on an index site, that was archived by Smithsonian Libraries?

Thanks, Piff.  The search function does not work, but the individual links at the bottom of the page work (a fantastic resource, by the way).  I searched several of the links and he does not come up.  Remember, he said he was archived under the Computer History section at the Smithsonian and he was nominated by the CEO of Adobe, so it appears to be more of the "creative writing" he is so good at (IMHO, he missed his calling and should have been a scriptwriter in Hollywood).

[Epiphany]

Here he is in 1982 Connecticut, in his William Winterstone incarnation: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1915&dat=19820801&id=ICMiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=QHUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4266,20362 I uploaded a pdf clipping form too that is easier to read.

Some quotes:

Winterstone, son of an Anishinabe-Ojibwa Indian from Minnesota, hopes to show how Indian customs and religious beliefs can help Indians and non-Indians alike find peace of mind.

...Winterstone is spreading the message that modern day people can learn from Indian ways. He has conducted workshops on Indian customs and the Indian way of interperting dreams and early next month will lead a three day workshop on important ceremonies, such as the pipe, the sweat lodge, ritual song and dance and the medicine wheel.

He taught "Tao of Turtle Island". He said he served in Vietnam as a medical corpsman and then worked for years as a trauma specialist in hospital emergency rooms.

[Epiphany]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuAj_QbMUb0

Audio from a book promo presentation in Italy, the youtube was uploaded in late 2012, don't know when the event happened.

That is him singing in the beginning. I'm curious if his singing sounds at all familiar to anyone here. Is some of this in an actual language? About at 3:50 he goes into some other sort of singing.

I unfortunately don't speak Italian so don't know what is being said in what might be an initial lecture by someone else, and then an introduction.

Posey starts talking, in English, with translations after, at 22. on the audio.

He talks a lot about the "original instructions", which he says is very important to "our tribal teachers".

Wonder if by "original instructions" he is speaking of info from this 2008 book Original Instructions: Indigenous Teachings for a Sustainable Future http://www.amazon.com/Original-Instructions-Indigenous-Teachings-Sustainable/dp/1591430798

He continues to enjoy the phrase "old Indians" and profess to be able to speak for them.

Around 35. he says he's spent more than 40 years with the old Indians. From eight directions.

He claims (about 42.37) the Dalai Lama "received the sacred pipe" in New Jersey and that he blessed the bundle Posey carries.

He says his bundle tells the story of the beginning of time.

At 48. he talks about how he had "zero interest" in writing a book for Americans. He's thankful that he no longer lives in the USA. Doesn't sound like he wants to return.

Listened to about the first 50 minutes. He's not easy to listen to, not a good speaker.

[Superdog]

The singing at the beginning to my ear sounds like nothing more than gibberish.  He seems to attempt to sing in 3 different voices....more than likely part of his act, but I've seen a lot of Native music traditions and I've never heard anything remotely resembling what he's doing.  It would've been interesting to hear if there was any explanation beforehand of what he was doing....but it sounded a lot more like Asiatic shaman drumming.....nothing Native.

Superdog

[Epiphany]

According to Posey, NAFPS is a hate group http://sacredpipe.org/hategroup.html So many frauds claim this, rather than actually answering questions and cleaning up their act.

He's uploaded his military record. His website still claims he has a Purple Heart, but I don't see that listed on his actual record.

He continues to claim that he is NDN, and now that he is a NDN victim of an "anonymous hate group".

[wolfhawaii]

Faking DD 214s is being done by posers a lot; not having the reference available i was not able to see why he was released from service so early. A year and a half is not a full enlistment. No Purple Heart on the DD 214, that can and does happen through admin errors. The form shows his reenlistment code a RE 1 meaning he was physically fit at the time he was discharged. Only a year and a half of service, hmmmmm.

[Diana]

According to Posey, NAFPS is a hate group http://sacredpipe.org/hategroup.html So many frauds claim this, rather than actually answering questions and cleaning up their act.

He's uploaded his military record. His website still claims he has a Purple Heart, but I don't see that listed on his actual record.

He continues to claim that he is NDN, and now that he is a NDN victim of an "anonymous hate group".

If I didn't know this guy and looked on that page hategroups I would have no idea what he was talking about... It's funny how he never names us or who is the hate group that supposedly spread all these lies. Hmm...you would think he would want his followers to know. Lol.