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Title: Test Topic - FAQ - Kiesha Crowther AKA Little Grandmother
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:29:31 am
I thought it would be a good idea to put up something here we could play with and alter. Nothing is intended as 'final', but just as a starting point which can be completely changed if necessary. Please post ideas, corrections, additions etc so we can work this into something that is good to put up on the main board.



Kiesha Crowther FAQ
Frequently asked questions and index of
topics covered in the original NAFPS thread


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"Each student must be encouraged to take responsible measures
to confront teachers with unethical aspects of their conduct.
If the teacher shows no sign of reform, students should not hesitate
to publicize any unethical behavior of which there is irrefutable evidence.
This should be done irrespective of other beneficial aspects of his or her work
and of one's spiritual commitment to that teacher"

His Holiness the Dalai Lama (Letter to the Sangha on Western Buddhism)


[changed title of thread from "FAQ" to " FAQ - Kiesha Crowther AKA Little Grandmother" - kpn]
Title: Kiesha Crowther FAQ Index
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 04:42:28 pm
INDEX


Click on the Quote link above the text-box to go to topic:

Biographical story / elusive lineage / Who is Kiesha Crowther - Little Grandmother?:

The Tribe of Many Colors:

What the genuine Native American people and their supporters say about Kiesha Crowther:

Fake claims of support from tribes/nations:

Alleged channeled messages in 'Sioux', and direct teachings from alleged Ancestors:

Kiesha allegedly guides several hundred elders in ceremony:

The unfolding belief in a FAKE White Buffalo Calf Woman:

People Kiesha 'quotes':

Seminars, Workshops etc

Workshops by Kiesha's friends which echo her teachings (or vice versa):

Sacred Travel - A profitable enterprise!:

Kiesha's associates and their business:

Kiesha's URGENT MESSAGES:

Letters from Little Grandmother-(Admin):

Kiesha,  the New Age Profit:

I AM the GREAT I AM, I AM!:

Wild Inaccuracies and parroting of 'New-Age' topics.

Ex-believers and members share why they turned away:

Dangers of simply "Changing the Channel":

A puzzling attitude towards truth by Kiesha's followers:

Controlling and malicious behaviour of 'Veetkam W. Rentsch'
- Tribe of Many Colors site Administrator:

Transcripts:

Brainwashing elements in the videos:

The Depth of the problem:

Crystals and Crystal Ceremonies:

Web-hosting/design of Kiesha's site:

Links to sites and Videos

Kiesha will have a book for sale!:
Title: Biographical story / elusive lineage / Who is Kiesha Crowther?
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 04:56:03 pm
Biographical story / elusive lineage / Who is Kiesha Crowther - Little Grandmother?

Crowther's false claims in her official bio:

"Kiesha Crowther, also known as “Little Grandmother,” was initiated as shaman at age 30 by her mother’s tribe (Sioux/Salish), and has been recognized by the Continental Council of Indigenous Elders as Wisdom Keeper for North America, responsible for guiding the “Tribe of Many Colors.”("I'm the blondest, whitest, youngest Wisdom Keeper all over the whole group")......."

Full text at:
http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/kiesha/kiesha-crowther.html


2010 with Shaman, Kiesha Crowther
Link to video 1 of 10:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK5OOfEmut4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK5OOfEmut4)

2010 with Shaman, Kiesha Crowther 2/10 :
(Starting at 5:12  minutes/seconds into video) 
"....I carry the wisdom for Nine Pipes. He was a wisdom keeper that lived many hundreds of year- a couple hundred years ago. I am of the lineage of Spotted Owl. (pause) I am Chikala Uchi. (pause) I am Little Grandmother. (pause) I am great grand daughter of Chikala Lota and Chikala Jensen. (pause) I am daughter of Tinjan Chala and Father Mato....


This is the closest she's come that I know of to saying who her supposed relatives are. Still pretty vague and unclear, throwing out lots of names that sound impressive to people who aren't familiar.

Ninepipes (generally spelled as one word, not two) was a name or part of the names used by several Salish leaders. This was about 100-120 years ago, not "a couple hundred." They were some of the smaller chiefs, not known for being medicine people as far as I know, though likely respected as wise counselors.

If she claims Spotted Owl's lineage, that can be checked. He was from Pine Ridge. There's nothing on the other names I could find online, but saying who her great grandparents supposedly were should help.

I still find it very strange she hides who her alleged relatives are almost all the time.

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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mikestevens/2010-p/p299.htm
(?) Spotted Owl1,2,3,4  (M)
(1868 - ), #40948
Pop-up Pedigree
     Also known as (?) Hinhan Gleska.1,2,3,4 The nationality of (?) Spotted Owl was Oglala Lakota Sioux.1,2,3,4 (?) Spotted Owl was born in 1868.1,3,2,4 He was the son of (?) Shell Boy and (?) Hopper Horse.1,2 He was listed as "daughter" and residing in the home of (?) Shell Boy on the U.S. Indian Census Rolls taken on July 1, 1892 at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, White Clay District, Shannon Co., South Dakota ., USA.1 He married Mary Hawk Woman after July 1, 1892.2,3,4 (?) was listed as the "Head of the Household" on the US Indian Census Rolls at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, White Clay District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA, on July 1, 1894.2 (?) was listed as the "Head of the Household" on the US Indian Census Rolls at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Wounded Knee District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA, on June 25, 1895.3 (?) was listed as the "Head of the Household" on the US Indian Census Rolls at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Wounded Knee District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA, on June 30, 1896.4

Children of (?) Spotted Owl and Mary Hawk Woman
(?) Bloody Mouth b. Apr, 18932,4
(?) Sits In Sight b. Mar, 18964
Citations
[S556] 1892.
[S269] 1894.
[S561] June 30th 1895.
[S158] June 30th, 1896.

Pop-up Pedigree
     Also known as (?) Hinhan Gleska.1,2,3,4 The nationality of (?) Spotted Owl was Oglala Lakota Sioux.1,2,3,4 (?) Spotted Owl was born in 1868.1,3,2,4 He was the son of (?) Shell Boy and (?) Hopper Horse.1,2 He was listed as "daughter" and residing in the home of (?) Shell Boy on the U.S. Indian Census Rolls taken on July 1, 1892 at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, White Clay District, Shannon Co., South Dakota ., USA.1 He married Mary Hawk Woman after July 1, 1892.2,3,4 (?) was listed as the "Head of the Household" on the US Indian Census Rolls at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, White Clay District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA, on July 1, 1894.2 (?) was listed as the "Head of the Household" on the US Indian Census Rolls at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Wounded Knee District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA, on June 25, 1895.3 (?) was listed as the "Head of the Household" on the US Indian Census Rolls at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Wounded Knee District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA, on June 30, 1896.4

Children of (?) Spotted Owl and Mary Hawk Woman
(?) Bloody Mouth b. Apr, 18932,4
(?) Sits In Sight b. Mar, 18964
Citations
[S556] 1892.
[S269] 1894.
[S561] June 30th 1895.
[S158] June 30th, 1896.

FYI - LG on Swedish National Radio - This is a nuance I'm not sure I heard before.  The host kinda guides Kiesha into the topic and Kiesha agrees/implies that Kiesha is a channel for 'Little Grandmother'.   ???

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=3925&artikel=4135827&play=2705063&playtype=Ljudklipp

Direct URL to audio on this page:  http://sverigesradio.se/topsy/ljudfil/2705063.m4a

How many kiesha crowthers can there be from Sanford, Colorado?

Evidently prior to being summoned as the savior of the world she was a humble artist and poet.  On her bio there is no mention of her super powers.........
http://www.artwanted.com/artist.cfm?ArtID=22948&Tab=Bio (http://www.artwanted.com/artist.cfm?ArtID=22948&Tab=Bio)

Having obtained Kiesha's maiden name through a public research website I contacted CSKT's enrollment office @ (406) 275-2750.  They have no one, NO ONE enrolled with Kiesha's maiden name.........

http://www.intelius.com/results.php?ReportType=1&searchform=publicrecords

Name
Kiesha Rae Crowther................

....................DISCLAIMER - this is personal information  included on the above website.  NAFPS in no way condones the posting of or misuse of personal information such as this.  We are merely diseminating previously publically posted information.

Crowther's assistant and longtime friend Jennifer sent a message to one of the members here. In it, Jennifer makes some new claims:

Supposedly they now admit Crowther was NOT recognized by either Salish nor "Sioux" councils of elders. Jennifer in fact admits that Salish elders specifically do NOT recognize Crowther.

However, she also claims that Crowther was recognized as a "shaman" by a single Salish elder named Falling Feathers who, conveniently for their story, has recently passed away...........

.........One of the things that struck me....the "recognition" at 8 years old that she talks about happened at a pow-wow of all places............
For people who don't regularly attend pow-wows....it's not uncommon to give some sort of recognition to relatives when they visit the community from far away.  It's not a form of "shaman recognition".  It's being a good host and treating outsiders in a good way.............


Searching backwards online I found this snippet from June 29, 2010
http://www.worldpuja.org/archives/2010-06-29_b/

"""""Recently at the age of 30, Little Grandmother was made Shaman-Wisdom Keeper
by the Sioux and Salish tribal grandmothers -- a great honor. """""

""""Growing up with a profound love and respect for all creatures, Little Grandmother went on to achieve her degree in Animal Science and has worked as a wildlife specialist/rehabilitator for many years.......

...I went to a Colorado site that matches Volunteers up with Rehab Center and they said
RE:   Slv Wildlife & Endangered Species Rescue Center, located in Sanford, CO. ::

""""Have never heard of them............


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Title: The Tribe of Many Colors
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 05:06:31 pm
The Tribe of Many Colors


The Tribe of Many Colors website:
http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/


...We are the tribe. We are the Rainbow Children. We are the Tribe of Many Colors prophesied to come in the time of great change when the world would receive her blessings, and we the children of this planet would receive our enlightenment....


....more soon.



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Title: What the genuine Native American people and their supporters say about Kiesha
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 05:08:15 pm
What the genuine Native American people and their supporters say about Kiesha Crowther


Official Statement from Salish Elders Regarding Kiesha Crowther
(click on link above this quote box to read in full)   

"You don't stand a chance
Against my prayer
You don't stand a chance
Against my love"

Excellent video in response to Crowther's lies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juoD2CdHBAM&feature=player_embedded

I have been researching this "little Grandmother" and I have to say the video   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juoD2CdHBAM&feature=player_embedded  that was also posted in the revious post needs to be spread far and wide. As First People it is time we join hands and together fight these frauds! :-[

The final version of the youtube video for the above text is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbYKpzFfKdE

Thank you shadowfax1920 for posting your extremely EXCELLENT video that everyone who is interested in KC should watch.
http://www.youtube.com/user/shadowfax1920#p/a/u/0/juoD2CdHBAM


My family is Lakota. My cousin married a Salish and she and my grandmother live in the Flathead. She has shown pictures and video of this woman and her claims, and no one knows her or heard of her. .............She is making other claims about how the Salish in the Flathead has made her a shaman over their people now. This is a lie as no one here hears of her....

EBC has only a handful of Elders.  I spent last night talking to them on the phone.  They have never heard of Kiesha Crowther.  WolfHawaii knows the people I know, he can call and confirm my findings if he wants.  I called a few elders this morning as well, no knowledge of her............

I'm sorry Kiesha. I grew up on the Flathead reserve. All of my family are scattered every where there. I have them from Arlee all the way to Polson, going east to west, and no one knows of you. I have spoken with tribal elders who have no idea who you are. At pow wow, I asked around to see if you were made a shaman over our reserve and our people. I had people laugh in my face.

This is something you'll not be able to clear up in a paragraph or two on your web site. The reason I and others have called you out as a fraud, is because you are stealing from sacred teachings and new age-ing it up. You are combining the ancient teachings with teachings about skulls and the I AM consciousness from the St. Germaine teachings which has nothing at all to do with our culture or beliefs.......................


I'm on the phone with a member of the CSKT Culture and Elders Committee.  The Culture and Elders Committee protect the intangible cultural resources of the tribes including language, songs, stories etc.  The tribal Elder I am speaking with states she nor any other Elder or elder have met with nor do they condone the claims and actions made by Kiesha Crowther......................

I am an enrolled member of the Lower Brule Lakota Tribe, South Dakota.
A lot of people do not understand why what Kiesha Crowther is doing, should bother the oyate. As a first nations woman let me try to explain. First off, I have no problems with new age beliefs. I can honor and respect that belief system, but it has no place being mixed in and taught with my red road traditional teachings handed down by my ancestors. We do not subscribe to these teachings of the I AM presence, channeling aliens, digging up and burying crystals, communicating with angels, etc. We also do not sell our ceremonies, or charge for them. It's sacrilege.........

"Do the names Sun Bear, Wallace Black Elk, Oh Shinna Fast Wolf, Brook Medicine Eagle, Harley Reagan Swiftdeer, Buck Ghost Horse, or Mary Thunder mean anything to you? Well, they should..............
It seems that in time the name of Kiesha Crowther - Little Grandmother will be added to this list..........

To steal from NDN people in any way is such a travesty, as they have died just to keep and to have the right to practice their faith.................



Contact details of the Confederated Salish & Kootenai Tribes:


Confederated Salish & Kootenai Tribes
42487 Complex Blvd.
PO Box 278
Pablo, Montana 59855
Phone Numbers:
Headquarter: (406) 675-2700
Toll Free: (888) 835-8766
Fax: (406) 675-2806

and more numbers here, entire list
http://www.cskt.org/about/contactus.htm


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Title: Fake claims of support from tribes/nations and elders
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 05:22:33 pm
Fake claims of support from tribes/nations and elders

"she has been recognized as shaman of the “Tribe of Many Colors” by the spiritual elders of many indigenous tribes and peoples including the Cherokee, the Cheyenne, the Hopi, the Inuit, the Aboriginal people, the Waitaha, the Maori, the Maya, the Zulu, as well as the lamas of Nepal and Tibet. Gifts and medicine from these peoples began coming soon after she was initiated as shaman at age 30"

Then why can't she name even one alleged elder who supposedly supports her? .........................

It turns out she has spoken with Lakha Lama briefly, while in Sweden. And of course he said kind things to her, which is how Lamas are. If you ask for a blessing you'll receive it. This in no way means "recognition",...................


"When I was 30 I received a call from the indigenous nations of North America and an elder told me it was time to become a shaman, a wisdomkeeper"

Gawd what a lie...at best a sincere misrepresentation.

I wouldn't doubt that someone called her and told her that (although that sounds dubious even of itself), but the idea that there is a collective "Indigenous Nations of North America" plays upon that old stereotype that we're somehow all the same and IT'S NOT TRUE!

Just to reiterate in case someone is browsing by and reading this thread and not a member of the board

There are over 500 different Native American tribes across the US and Canada each with cultures that are tribal specific and communal and DO NOT do things as a "collective".  Especially when it comes to spiritual matters as spirituality is once again communal, tribal specific and often tied to the land and is different on a case to case basis. 

She DOES NOT represent any indigenous nation in North America let alone all of them.

Superdog

Update:
..........................Who Recognizes Her as Shaman?
Kiesha was initiated into shamanism by Falling Feathers and Grandmother Lota in addition; she has been recognized as shaman of the “Tribe of Many Colors” and gifted medicine from the elders of indigenous tribes and peoples including Three Bears, Sister Wolf, the Cherokee, and Cheyenne individuals, (not the entire Nation of specific tribes. As well as Grandfather Kimmey of the Hopi, the Sami grandmother, the Aboriginal people, the Waitaha, the Maori, the Maya, the Zulu, as well as the lamas of Nepal and Tibet. These gifts began coming soon after she was initiated as shaman at age 30 and have been coming ever since.
Kiesha’s elders are not from just one tribe—She is being guided by the elders who comprise of indigenous people’s all over the planet, as well as receiving direct teaching from spirit guides and indigenous elders past of several different peoples from different traditions.....................
....................................Whether or not people know who Kiesha is on the Flathead reservation makes no difference, in fact she was not raised on the reservation and would not expect them to know her in the first place. Kiesha was made shaman under the guidance of a Native American named Falling Feathers but she does not represent any Native American tribe nor intends to.

"As well as Grandfather Kimmey of the Hopi, .......

What the... "grandfather Kimmey of the Hopi"...

Quote
http://www.esowatch.com/en/index.php?title=Hopi_and_Pseudo_Hopi_Prophecies
John Kimney, a white man who calls himself Eesawu, was formally asked by the Hopi Nation to quit posing as a keeper of Hopi prophecy. The tribal preservation office was especially angered by Kimney making money off his claims about prophecy. Kimney at first agreed to stop, then reneged on his promise.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2455.0


"Very recently, Kiesha called the tribal council office to inquire about her official standing in the tribe. She was told that Falling Feathers had not acted with the permission of the tribal council—therefore she was not recognized officially by the tribe. You can imagine how shocked and dismayed she was to find this out."


has anyone any info on this "falling feathers" person?
does s/he exist even?

I checked the obits for CSKT back to the first of the year.  Kieshas handler claim falling feathers recently crossed however there is no mention of such a person.

.........And as Sky and Al have posted multiple times now: There is zero evidence that "Falling Feathers" ever existed.

The passing of an honoured Elder, heck, the passing of any member of a close-knit tribal community like we are discussing, would not only be noted in their records, it would have been discussed openly. It would be noted in the tribal newspaper and probably the local mainstream papers, as well.  The death of elders is not the part of tribal ways that is kept secret.

Ok, we can at least put together a much more real picture of the Council of Continental Elders.  Just as educated alluded to, there's a bit of a mistranslation of that particular title, it's not completely off, but not completely correct either....

Well, it's good that Kiesha may be rethinking her approach by taking down the tribeofmanycolors.net site.  By reading through her latest statements I am dubious this is really an awakening............


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Title: Alleged channeled messages in 'Sioux'
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 05:46:46 pm
Alleged channeled messages in 'Sioux', and direct teachings from alleged Ancestors


http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/news-and-urgent-messages/response-to-misinformation-on-the-web.html
Here is a quote from that website:
"I personally have witnessed Kiesha receive teaching messages in Sioux (which she does not speak) from ancestors past." (under subtitle:Who Recognizes Her as Shaman?)

How is this person able to identify the language Crowther is "receiving teachings" in?  Does (s)he know this language?  Is it recorded and then played back for someone to translate?
[/quote]

....Who exactly are these spirits and elders that she's laying claim to (other than Alejandro Cirilo Perez, which is simply not true)? If she receives messages from them it would be great for her followers to know who and what these sources are exactly, right?....



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Title: Kiesha allegedly guides several hundred elders in ceremony
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 05:49:41 pm
Kiesha allegedly guides several hundred elders in ceremony


"....this first day of ceremony the heavens truly opened and a these pillars of light I had been seeing for some time began to grow outwardly... until soon they were one large pillar. Many people felt when it happened-- there was a gasp or an intake of breath........."



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Title: The unfolding belief in a FAKE White Buffalo Calf Woman
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 05:52:04 pm
The unfolding belief in a FAKE White Buffalo Calf Woman


In this 'Response to misinformation on the web', the anonymous writer talks about how their group thinks Kiesha Crowther is the incarnation of something very important. Also, i've heard this story some time before about how she would be the fair-haired child from some alleged prophecy. A friend of mine suggested the possibility that they might actually be talking about "White Buffalo Calf Woman". I do know that the site admin Veetkam has recently put a video about White Buffalo Calf Woman, on the Tribe of Many Colors Facebook page (which only has 6 select videos), and also on his own Facebook page for his own 'Crystal Sun' spiritual therapy thingy (which has a lot of different videos). Perhaps he hears more about what goes on behind the scenes, so there may be a connection.........................

Anyway, this is the same video as the one Veetkam uploaded on Facebook.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJrpZi33gnI

Oh this post get more comical each day,
No the Lakota/Dakota have no propecies of a
a fair haired girl, no there is no connect to our
white buffalo propecies.

Here we go...more people starting to believe this crazy idea that she's White Buffalo Calf Woman "returned"..............

Actually from LGs pages here (this page has been changing at least daily since the 24th as the truth is coming out)  
http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/news-and-urgent-messages/urgent-message-concerning-misinformation-campaign-in-the-internet.html (http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/news-and-urgent-messages/urgent-message-concerning-misinformation-campaign-in-the-internet.html)

Kiesha herself says "These people regard her as the incarnation of something very important—which Keisha has never wanted to make public or to give weight to. Frankly, the weight and responsibility of what many of these peoples regard her as frightens her."..........
..............then she can make a video and say  'so they are calling me White Buffalo Calf Woman returned, and who am I to argue with the elders in the Continental Council'...........  



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Title: People Kiesha 'quotes'
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 05:55:35 pm
People Kiesha 'quotes'


Don Alejandro - Wandering Wolf
http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/de/events/categoryevents/7-don-alejandro-wandering-wolf.html

.......I have often heard of Perez Oxlaj, actually he recently said in a Eso.tv interview that nothing will happen in 2012. I haven't seen the interview but have read a review about it, which i think is good. You can find it here: http://jlnavarro.blogspot.com/2010/08/wandering-wolfs-esotv-webcast-message.html

http://www.vimeo.com/16830337
....This is an excerpt from one of her talks where she talks about 2012. Starting at 00:55 she talks about the Mayans and a minute later she mentions grandfather Alejandro. Now this grandfather Alejandro Cirilo Perez recently said in a pay-to-watch broadcast (at https://en.esoguru.com/2012-and-the-maya ), which really tens of thousands of people have watched, that all these New Age pundits who claim to know the Mayan calendar have got it wrong, and that there will not be some kind of 'shift' in 2012.
But yet, she still mentions him as if he's a key proponent of the 2012 movement.....



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Title: Seminars, Workshops etc
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 05:57:51 pm
Seminars, Workshops etc
 



Prophet's conference

.......This is an opportunity to voice opposition to the exploitative activities of Kiesha Crowther, AKA "Little Grandmother" by calling or emailing and requesting that they terminate their association with Ms. Crowther.......


Remembering Who We Are: The Way of the Tribe of Many Colors
When: 13.11.2010 - 14.11.2010 10.00 h - 04.00 h
Where: Sedona Creative Life Center - Sedona
Category: Kiesha Crowther - Little Grandmother

Remembering Who We Are: The Way of the Tribe of Many Colors
In this intimate and rare retreat, Shaman and Wisdom Keeper Little Grandmother will share with the group keys to shifting individual awareness and living from the heart for the coming times--based on teachings given to her directly by the ancestors and Mother Earth. The workshop will feature hands-on practices in nature, working with earth energy,and will culminate in an earth healing ceremony that the group will co-create on Sunday afternoon.
This workshop will present a rare opportunity for participants to receive personal guidance from Little Grandmother regarding their own unique healing color and animal totem, and to participate in transformational ceremony with a heart-attuned group.
More Information :  http://www.ancientwisdomkeeper.com/
Space is limited to 100 participants, so reserve your place early.
Early registration by September 25, 2010  : $250
Registration by deadline of November 12   : $295
For questions, and to register, please email Azrael at info@ancientwisdomkeeper.com
*Participants will arrange their own lodging/accommodations. There are many motels, hotels and campgrounds in the Sedona.

(So the intake for this seminar of 12 hours of 'teachings' will be at least $ 25,000.)



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Title: Workshops by Kiesha's friends which echo her teachings (or vice versa)
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 05:59:16 pm
Workshops by Kiesha's friends which echo her teachings (or vice versa)


I am familiar with these workshops called "living in the heart", "opening the heart", "awakening the heart" etc...................



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Title: Sacred Travel - A profitable enterprise!
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:01:20 pm
Sacred Travel - A profitable enterprise!


...the ICA (run by Adam Yellowbird - member of the Continental Council of Indigenous Elders and Spiritual Guides of the Americas) is involved in what is called by some 'Sacred travel'.....Here's an article on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_travel

".......Egypt is magical and mystical and full of vibration and life. I am so excited to experience this place in the physical after being taught so much about it in the spirit realm. My heart is beating with more fervor and more passion just speaking of this place and recalling all of its gifts and promise… What an opportunity this is for not only me but for all those who will attend. Miracles are waiting to happen-- this is a promise!"
http://www.greatmystery.org/events/egypt0411.html
...........NO sound was heard in the burial chamber of the Great Pyramid as a tall, slender woman lay down in the pharaoh’s pitted granite sarcophagus, her flowing silver hair spreading beneath her. Her dozen or so companions in the dank room lifted their arms, palms upward, eyes closed in meditation.
As was prescribed in the training of priests in pharaonic Egypt.
http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/travel/29spirituality.html?pagewanted=print

Although a lot of people do not believe in the presence of spirits, they would still be able to feel the vibes/energies/intuition or hear "the inner voice"..........



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Title: Kiesha's associates and their business
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:03:07 pm
Kiesha's associates and their business


Continental Council of Indigenous Elders
The Return of the Ancestors Gathering
ICA (The Institute for Cultural Awareness)
Adam DeArmon (Adam Yellowbird):
Bernard Perona AKA Drunvalo Melchizedek



The Return of the Ancestors Gathering
Northern Arizona April 18-28, 2009

The Institute for Cultural Awareness presents a historic International multicultural gathering and sacred pilgrimage welcoming Indigenous elders and future wisdom keepers representing the voice of Mother Earth, beginning Earth Day weekend, April 18-28, 2009 throughout Northern Arizona. The heart of the gathering will be the 4th reunion of the Continental Council of Indigenous Elders and Spiritual Guides of the Americas. The intention is to unite and share the invited wisdom keeper's visions and prophesized ceremonies for peace and harmony for Mother Earth and all humanity.
http://www.earthworksforhumanity.org/pages/ROTA.shtml

Adam DeArmon AKA Adam Yellowbird is one of the speakers. We have a thread on him here: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1791.0
ETA: A writeup about the planned event by DeArmon. Very nuagey in tone:
http://www.awarenessmag.com/janfeb09/jf09_the_return_ancestors.htm
Site for their "Return of the Ancestors" event:
http://www.returnoftheancestors.com/

thread about Crowther, DeArmon, and others associated with this group here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4891-Disclosure-Has-Happened/page2

Above info taken from:

....3. This so called Continental Council of Indigenous Elders is nothing of the sort. It's a fraudulent organization, run by and for frauds. This is them:
http://www.earthworksforhumanity.org/pages/ROTA.shtml

It's Adam DeArmon AKA "Adam Yellowbird's" organization. He's an exploiter and white imposter selling phony ceremonies out of Sedona....

Apparently another director of this "council" is Bernard Perona AKA Drunvalo Melchizedek. We have a thread on him in "frauds", and a search turns him up in many threads: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2732
"Last year Institute for Cultural Awareness sponsored Bridging the Americas — Reuniting the Eagle and Condor Gathering in Peru. During this event, ICA's President, Adam Yellowbird committed to host the Return of the Ancestors Gathering in Northern Arizona in the Spring of 2009. This gathering will also host the 4th reunion of the Continental Council of Indigenous Elders and Spiritual Guides of the Americas, a Council formed by Mayan Elder Don Alejandro Cirilo Perez Oxlaj, "Wandering Wolf". "
- from Bernard Perona's website: http://www.spiritofmaat.com/apr09/index.htm

Above Info taken from:

.......There's these two people sitting next to her in one of her talks though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjVj6b7jC-I at 06:00, there is someone called Priscilla Wolf aka Sister Wolf. And http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAMtZ-O6sgo&feature=related at 01:30, there's this man called John Kimmey.
A search for Priscilla Wolf turns her up at some UFO sites. She says she is Apache/Spanish. Comes across as an eccentric grandmother. I doubt she has the resources.

Now John Kimney OTH, he's an established and dedicated fraud and exploiter of Hopi traditions and ceremony seller, even been warned repeatedly by the Hopi Nation.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2455.0



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Title: Kiesha's URGENT MESSAGES
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:05:15 pm
Kiesha's URGENT MESSAGES


Here is the 'Urgent Message' - "Response to Misinformation" that is on Ms. Crowther's, Tribe of Many Colors web page.

http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/news-and-urgent-messages/response-to-misinformation-on-the-web.html (http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/news-and-urgent-messages/response-to-misinformation-on-the-web.html)

Dear Friends of Tribe of Many Colors
"I personally wish to address the issue of what is being written about me on a particular web site (fraud site)...........

URGENT MESSAGE DECEMBER - December 24, 2010
http://littlegrandmother.net/URGENTMESSAGEDECEMBER.aspx

"...But Kiesha does not presume or pretend to present traditional Native ways and wisdom to the public. What she is speaking of goes beyond indigenous prophecies and wisdom,..."

If you check the urgent message, it has changed a bit, she has backed up from the native american claims a lot and added the samis and so on and changed the text in the form that is more over all "information" and actually "corrected" some parts of it to be harder to drown with one sentence like in the first version...

If you check the urgent message, it has changed a bit, she has backed up from the native american claims a lot and added the samis and so on and changed the text in the form that is more over all "information"...



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Title: Letters to and from Little Grandmother-(Admin)
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:06:59 pm
Letters from Little Grandmother-(Admin)


From youtube:

Little Grandmother
Dear YouTube user,

It would be well if you voluntarily removed your video about Little Grandmother: "Tribal Statement on Kiesha Crowther aka 'Little Grandmother'"..............................

I would rather LG come clean but ....

LIBRARY OF CONGRESS
Copyright Office........................So at this point I'll review the exist vids checking also for language.  BUT, per the above ruling, SAMy, and anyone on youtube, has the right to use video clips to hoot and hollar so long as we are complaning...............

Yesterday I wrote an email to her org. (nicely & politely) asking them to cease & desist the sale of Sacred ways and/or items...the following is what I sent and their reply I found this morning--OH and I'm being threatened with a lawsuit for LIBEL (odd since I used HER OWN WORDS & CLAIMS--hmmm is repeating someone's own words libelous? NO!!)..............
.............to avoid misrepresenting any Native American peoples or traditions, Kiesha will continue her speaking in public and conducting the healing ceremonies she is asked to for the benefit of Mother Earth—without using Native American regalia, Native American sacred implements or specific rituals........

Letter I sent to the Prophecy Organizers last night.

Greetings  XXXXXXXX/

I am writing you regarding your upcoming "The Prophets Conference" http://greatmystery.org/events/ps2011.html  
and Kiesha Crowthers appearance. http://www.greatmystery.org/nl/ps2011littleg.html
Kiesha does not speak for, nor represent Indigenous peoples...........

It seems you sent an e-mail to the prophets conference website and received an e-mail from Crowther's PR flack/booking agent........



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Title: Kiesha, the New Age Profit
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:09:22 pm
Kiesha,  the New Age Profit


Where are the tens of thousands of dollars she's making going? Those three nights alone made over 60 grand.

Show your expenses. Be open and honest about where the money's going.

Name any charities and causes the money is given to (if any.)

No vague nonsense about "helping spread her message" or "helping Natives" or "helping peace." Show everyone in detail, just what, exactly.


Until then, you just look like a shameless hustler.



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Title: I AM the GREAT I AM, I AM!
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:10:55 pm
I AM the GREAT I AM, I AM!


"Daughter of Sacred Mother Earth, Sister to all Her children and friend to all things in Nature. I am the Great I Am... and so are you!"
littlegrandmother.net
tribeofmanycolors.net

These handlers and this network is darkness disguised as light.  Fragmenting all those who are actually seeking wholeness.......

....... she is THE ONE who is put in place for all to look up to as the channel of wisdom and ancient teachings for ALL PEOPLE OF THIS AGE to turn to for these truths!.......
.....Where is the proof?

Well, since NOONE (not even The Dalai Lama) would make tha claim about being THE communicator of earth wisdom for the world, I guess the position is free.......



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Title: Wild Inaccuracies and parroting of 'New-Age' topics
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:12:39 pm
 Wild Inaccuracies and parroting of 'New-Age' topics


"Giza and Tikal...It will be proven without a shadow of a doubt, with science itself that these cities match each other down to the most minute detail......

"Places in Greece will be found with ancient computers."
She is most likely referring to the Antikythera mechanism. It's an ancient mechanical computer designed to calculate astronomical positions and it has been found in 1900.......

Ethiopia contains something almost more valuable than anything that is on this planet, and I have seen this with my own eyes........... Many religions believe it to be....something callled The Ark of the Covenant......."
Interesting how she uses Graham Hancock's story in 'The Sign and The Seal' without paying any tribute to him,................

Kiesha Crowther claims:
"There is a place called Dendera, that was not built only by human hands."
"Modern lightbulbs are found there, that still work today, that are over 17,000 years old."

"There is something else that many of us have discussed and something we have seen with our own eyes. I will do my best to explain what it is I saw. There is a large tower made of pipe and wire, and on top of this which looks like a very tall thin pyramid, on top of it sits a large ball. It is next to very cold dark waters. It's not a lake, it's more like an ocean. And this machine is man-made. And it Has been made!. And it is very operational, functional, and............

http://www.vimeo.com/17023911
She says that NASA has sent out a message about the coding of our DNA, the structure of Mother Earth and our bodies - and NASA received a message back with the DNA of the starpeople and the structure of their planet................

http://www.vimeo.com/17023911
"She says that in the beginning of October, China and New York had to close down their airports due to too many spaceships (discs) in the sky."

As for UFO's shutting down airports:
http://shanghaiist.com/2010/09/07/ufo_spotted_hovering_for_three_hour.php
http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/us-shuts-down-new-york-city-airspace-over-ufo-threat/
Knowing this type of stuff doesn't give you credibility...

"Do you know now that we use less than a third of our brains, very soon we will be gifted all of that"

Not true. Every cell in our brains has a purpose. About 10% of our brains is active at any given time, but the focus is constantly shifting......



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Title: Ex-believers and members share why they turned away
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:14:36 pm
Ex-believers and members share why they turned away


To be totally honest here, the tribe of many colors thing might not seem dangerous, ............the messenger looked very sincere and her message comforted me at first......

I was in denial a long time with the whole business, mostly with how much it did affect me after I finally was able to let myself think ............

.....I have made my own research around the subjects she now uses as parts of her speeches, ALL of the info has been out there to tap into for a while, some of it for a loooooong time.............

.......I was wondering if I would be able to find something negative as I felt confused after watching one of her videos that are now flooding the Czech Republic, too. ..........
.......I too was deeply touched by some of the (unrevelatory) truths, such as the need for being respectful to Mother Earth and animals. On the other hand, I found it disturbing that such obvious things moved me to tears, while others sounded, well, strange, to say the least........

....................At first i didn't know anything about Native American spirituality, i didn't think Crowther's claims of tribal recognition could be lies,...................e i started noticing more and more inconsistencies, inaccurate information.........................finally, when she was asked in a radio interview what would happen in 2012 according to her, she said: "i say this with every bit of my knowing and every fiber of my being, people who are not living in the heart will not be able to cope with the new energies, to fully enlightened beings, death does not look like death". In other words, only her elite society of a spiritual master race, and perhaps some indigenous tribes and other New Agers, survive. Everyone else dies. That's when the house of cards collapsed for me......................



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Title: Dangers of simply "Changing the Channel"
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:16:19 pm
Dangers of simply "Changing the Channel"  


...And about ignoring the negative completely... what will you really learn then anyway? It means ignoring the constructive critic, the uncomfortable feeling some people/places might make you feel that could be taken as a warning sign.......

...For many years I ran a charity foundation to help poor Native children and elders and while doing so I got in contact with many New Age people being fascinated by Native Americans.....

...sit at home sending good energies. :) Which made the "being the love" so convenient...



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Title: A puzzling attitude towards truth by Kiesha's followers
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:18:14 pm
A puzzling attitude towards truth by Kiesha's followers


- Her history does not matter, that's just her story
- You must not be acting from your heart if you question her
- You need to use the eyes of love

......As they are able to tune into the higher light and vibrations of Kieshas messages anything related to the physical does not matter.  Not her story, not whether what she said about her past is 'true', just her message and how it makes them feel in their hearts.....

It saddens me that these people have already been so hypnotized and mesmerized by Kiesha that they are almost beyond contact.
I have recently tried to reason with two of my Swedish friends, just explaining the feeling of hurt and anger that Kiesha´s actions cause Native Americans, especially the Salish. What came out of it was that they were pretty irritated that the complaints from Ndn:s disturbed their loving, friendly (not friendly to Ndn:s, though) world.......

....If you're not "in the heart" you're not one of us, you're bad, unenlightened, an outsider. I think a similar phrase was used in the "cult" video we've probably all seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxJyfqeaKU8
Seems every dodgy organisation needs a nice little soundbite such as this.



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Title: Controlling and malicious behaviour of 'Veetkam W. Rentsch'
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:20:05 pm
Controlling and malicious behaviour of 'Veetkam W. Rentsch'
- Tribe of Many Colors site Administrator




I expected something like this to happen. He has actually published private messages before, sent to him by someone who used to coordinate all the translators...................

I've already received a message from someone else on those forums who says he really doesn't agree with what Veetkam is doing. .....................

I understand that you are not intimidated by the great and powerful Admin Veetkam.  But if he is going to be posting private information on individuals there, people need to pull their head out of the clouds and realize that  if they say or do something that pisses Admin Veetkam off then their privacy and potentially their saftey could be compromised...........................

It is one thing to post up details of a person that they themselves have made available, as I did with Veetkam W. Rentsch, but quite another for a webmaster to post up private and confidential about a person, that compromises their safety, and that they have not given permission to make public.



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Title: Transcripts
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:29:00 pm
Transcripts


Radio - Interview with Kiesha Crowther/Little Grandmother June 14, 2010
http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/transcripts/radio-interview-june-14-2010.html


Video Live At Santa Fé soul - Part - 1
http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/transcripts/video-live-at-santa-fe-transcript.html


Video Return of the Ancestors - Part - 1
http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/transcripts/video-return-of-the-ancestors-transcript.html


Video -  One With The Nature
(April 2010)
http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/transcripts/video-one-with-nature.html



Prophetic sayings of Keisha Crowther that follow are transcripted  parts of the video series - 2010 with Shaman, Kiesha Crowther.......

Kiesha speaks on 2012[b/]
by kedarvideo
http://vimeo.com/16830337 (http://vimeo.com/16830337)
It is also featured on Kiesha's site:
http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/videos-and-audios/featured.html (http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/videos-and-audios/featured.html)
(days of darkness at 2012 date / pole shift / DNA changes / Be 'in' love and survive with New Earth, etc)

Kiesha in Zurich part 1[b/]
http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/videos-and-audios/featured.html (http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/videos-and-audios/featured.html)
"...and these people would shift the consciousness from mind-consciousness into heart-consciousness, and change the world...(cut)...and these people would be called 'The Tribe of Many Colours'..."
"...if we start being love...(cut)...we get the answers of how to save our planet, and we get to stay...(cut)...if we do not, our children will not have a future..."




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Title: Brainwashing elements in the videos
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:36:40 pm
Brainwashing elements in the videos



Kiesha in Zurich:
http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/66SdG1/www.vimeo.com/16812713

.......there are really some hypnotic elements incorporated in this video. Skip to 5:00 and take a look at how many times these transition effects are being used. When i first clicked on this video i thought the first 90 seconds were painful to watch, but now that i've skipped through the video a bit i can see how it gets much worse......

............While i have no doubt that the one who made this video was not aware of it, because he/she is so much used to these kind of things, all this transition stuff, the constant flow of words is a classic and obviously very succesful mind control/hypnosis tactic also known as 'flooding' (www.rickross.com for more information). Her monotone voice and the constant focus on her face make it all complete....

rickross on brainwashing:
http://www.rickross.com/brainwashing.html



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Title: The Depth of the problem
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:38:27 pm
The Depth of the problem


.....There is something deeper and mythic going on.  The Earth is expressed through the First Nations communities.......



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Title: Crystals and Crystal Ceremonies
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:41:02 pm
Crystals and Crystal Ceremonies


Crystal Message
http://www.vimeo.com/18090033

http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/news-and-urgent-messages/advice-of-crystal-usage-now.html
Quote
Kiehsa - Little Grandmothers  Urgent Advive - to use QUARTS - Crystals  NOW:
Mother Earth is awakening.. much is being done in the coming days.. and we Must unite each other in love and to Gaia Beloved Mother.. this is important dear family and i will write extensively on this very soon.. but please.. gather yourselves a piece of quarts crystal and wear it around your neck.. IT is time to reconnect ourselves to Mother..
... and we become united as we once were during the days of Atlantis when Mother Earth and Her children were ONE!......
......A clear quarts crystal.. just clear quarts... and yes please share this info.. the children of men will once again remember who they are ...... we are the ones we have been waiting for and the time is upon us to unite with Mother Gaia again.. let our hearts beat as one.. Clear quartz is what is needed!!l
I wonder what will happen to the people who don't wear any quartz........


It occurred to me many decades ago that the delicate balance of this planet was greatly upset due to the displacement of various mineral deposits that were "strategically placed" where they were, for reasons that humans cannot or will not still fathom. .................To even suggest that the planting of a crystal back into a planet that has been pillaged...............

Crowther is also doing crystal ceremonies, e.g. in Hawaii :
http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/kiesha/cerem-hawaii.html

Kiesha the ecofriendly crystal promoting shame-on approves of the following -

One thing about the photos you showed that concerned me is that many of the mines seem to depict child labourers.  I wonder if this is one more thing to put in a subtitle in the video? Something like "some crystal mines use child labourers to dig for quartz -  little children deprived of education, working in dangerous conditions".

Child labor is used extensively in mines in third world countries.  I'll make a new video after the holidays specifically focusing on this.  One thing to keep in mind is that several of the pictures showing shiny happy children, these pictures were taken at US mines where you can pay a fee to subject yourself and your children to hazardous conditions.  



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Title: Web-hosting/design of Kiesha's site
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:47:20 pm
Web-hosting/design of Kiesha's site



possibly this allegedly Zurich based organisation?

http://www.crystalsun.ch/en/crystalsun/crystalsun.html

The association aims to promote the CrystalSun practically lived spirituality and the organization and implementation of appropriate events and activities. It is politically, religiously and economically completely independent.

Currently these are the specific activities:

Support and promote the work of Crowther Kiesha - Little Grand Mother
Organizing and conducting seminars with Kiesha Crowther - Little Grand Mother
Support and promote the work and messages of the Ascended Master Lady Rowena
Sponsorship and organization of the WEB SITE http://TribeofManyColors.net (Tribe of Kiesha Crowther - Little Grand Mother) and all activities of this Tribe site - such as text translations
Sponsorship and support of the WEB SITE http://www.SternenCard.ch (an online e-card service, and awareness support to the delight of opening)
Building an online store for media and articles that serve the purpose of the association
Development of the Media - Publishing

This is the European man that also voluntarily made the tribeofmanycolors.net website after he found the videos. He's putting a lot of time into the website and he's probably paying for the website hosting + domain as well. I am very certain that he is not a conman, he really believes everything Kiesha Crowther says, and apparently felt the need to promote her message by making the tribeofmanycolors.net website.

Also Crowther's website was created and designed by Betsey Lewis of RNBMediaGroup.com

http://rnbmediagroup.com/aboutus.aspx

-

http://betseylewis.com/default.aspx

also

http://www.facebook.com/betseyjlewis

This woman has conducted some interviews with Kiesha Crowther through her blogtalkradio.com station. She appears to be very much into new-age stuff and prone to believe a lot. Again, to me it seems like she believes everything Kiesha Crowther says and felt the need to promote her for free.

Kiesha Crowther's videos are often posted on 'alternative news' websites and Facebook. To me it appears like 9 out of 10 people who know about her, found her videos on Youtube or found a link to those videos on such a website. I have never seen advertisements or anything in my country. I don't know about this John Kimmey but i think almost all people who are involved in organizing her events and promotion believe they're on a spiritual mission and contribute for free.

Whois suggests that his name is Veetkam W. Rentsch

There is a page about him here on a website devoted to followers of Osho

http://www.sannyas.org/index.php?title=Sw_Dhyan_Veetkam



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Title: Links to sites and Videos
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:56:31 pm
Links to sites and Videos


Kiesha's main sites:

http://littlegrandmother.net

http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/kiesha/kiesha-crowther.html



Social Networking sites:

http://www.facebook.com/kiesha.crowther
 
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Little-Grandmother/110183489016680?v=info

In regards to Facebook, there are a number of "unofficial" Kiesha Crowther pages popping up.............  



Youtube videos:


Youtube list for 'Kiesha Crowther Little Grandmother':
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Kiesha+Crowther+Little+Grandmother&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vWBxi2xTVc&feature=related
She says: "very important about the pole shifts and 2012, what we need to know.. i trust and believe in brother drunvalo"



Vimeo videos:

Crystal Message
http://www.vimeo.com/18090033

Vimeo list for 'Kiesha Crowther Little Grandmother':
http://vimeo.com/search/videos/search:Kiesha%20Crowther%20Little%20Grandmother/5e1e0fe9

Song-prayer to the Crystal in Copenhagen July 1st
http://vimeo.com/13064088



Video's at The Tribe of Many Colors:

Link to 'All videos':
http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/videos-and-audios/videoflow.html



Kiesha's fan videos:

Cutesy propaganda tailored to children:

Knowing Gets in the Way -or- Singing Little Grandmother's Song 1 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Bt31t8_X4&feature=related

Knowing Gets in the Way -or- Singing Little Grandmother's Song 2 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prQLst76JrE
" DO doubt the mind........." "......The time of prophecy has come, only it's not the dark doom and gloom of the 'Dark Force'! It's the 'Light Message'! the 'Right Message' that's come!......."


Forums/threads Kiesha is mentioned in:

Godlike Productions:
2010 with Shaman, Kiesha Crowther
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1088572/pg1

ABOVETOPSECRET:
The Crystal Skulls - Finally, Their True Purpose Revelaed? Kiesha Crowther tells...
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread588029/pg1
(Kiesha:"....their life was taken, very willingly, so their spirit could go inside these skulls...")

Godlike Productions:
Little Grandmother on 2012. It will be beautiful.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1264576/pg1

David Icke's Official Forums:
Kiesha Crowther Little Grandmother In Zurich
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=145699


Sites with Photographs:

PHOTOS OF LITTLE GRANDMOTHER'S TRIP TO SWEDEN JULY 2010
(inclluding photo of her with an Eagle feather.)
http://littlegrandmother.net/SwedenPhotosJuly2010.aspx

Healing Path Expo's Photos - 10-10-10
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=152923261409969&set=a.152908251411470.24772.118315384870757


Owl Medicine:

Here she talks about this great horned owl at 05:50. :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZcR2_f3bWM&feature=related

4. That story is bizarre. Among many Native peoples, owl is an omen of bad luck. One attacking you while dying is not something to brag about.




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Title: Kiesha will have a book for sale!
Post by: Spandex~Atom on December 27, 2010, 06:58:52 pm
Kiesha will have a book for sale!


Oh and heard the rumor that the first book from LG is coming next year...

you heard correctly http://littlegrandmother.net/BOOK.aspx (http://littlegrandmother.net/BOOK.aspx)




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Title: Re: Test Topic - FAQ - Kiesha Crowther AKA Little Grandmother
Post by: Defend the Sacred on May 15, 2013, 09:23:16 pm
Bumping this thread in case anyone wants to go over it and add to it. We have A LOT of info on Crowther on this board, and it looks like a summation like this on the high-profile and/or most damaging frauds can be useful for those newly exposed to the subject.
Title: Re: Test Topic - FAQ - Kiesha Crowther AKA Little Grandmother
Post by: Defend the Sacred on May 15, 2013, 09:34:26 pm
Crowther has no connection to the Lakota, to White Buffalo Calf Woman, nor to the spiritual leaders of the Lakota People

Though she lied and claimed she did.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3790.0

When asked about Kiesha Crowther, Arvol Looking Horse (Keeper of the White Buffalo Calf Woman Pipe Bundle for the Lakota people) has stated that Ms. Crowther is not a member of the Lakota Nation, she is not a relative, and she has no rights to ceremonies.
Title: Re: Test Topic - FAQ - Kiesha Crowther AKA Little Grandmother
Post by: Sparks on April 17, 2020, 01:15:53 am
Just for the record: The main thread (1,264 comments as of a year ago) is here:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2871.0 [Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"]