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General => Frauds => Topic started by: Ingeborg on November 14, 2006, 09:24:42 pm

Title: Ronald Coleman AKA Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Ingeborg on November 14, 2006, 09:24:42 pm
I found the name Nomad Winterhawk coming up in a netsearch for activities of the Deer Tribe in Germany:

www.medicine-wheel.de/?biographie
(translation by me)
There is also a photo of N.M. at this site.
This site is maintained by a German living in Denmark who claims to have been taught the medicine of 'Flowering Trees' by N.M.

Nomad Winterhawk

"Nomad Winterhawk is medicineman of the Na'ichista-Clan, a people to whom the white man, together with many other clans and tribes, gave the name "Apache" (an ancient Spanish word for "enemy") and who traditionally lived in a region we nowadays call North-Eastern Arizona and North-Western New Mexico. Winterhawk is an "E'chanskaehy" ("One who knows") and received his knowledge from his grandfather Falling Tree. He is a co-founder of "Metis Deer Tribe Medicine Society" [sic] and "Road Chief" of "Native American Church"."
I wonder about the name of the Clan, since on the site quoted below, N.M. is said to be from the N'Tsistsitas-Butterfly Clan, while the first tribal affiliation mentioned there is Cheyenne = Tsistsistas

"Nomad Winterhawk has an enormous knowledge of human nature and applies the principles of the medicine wheel in his lectures.

When he treats persons, he is not only treating their symptoms, but he view every living thing as being composed of spirit, body, consciousness, and feelings.

Whether it is physical healing or personal growth, he leads his clients and students by beginning a continuing process at all levels to make them find mental clarity, physical harmony and balance, emotional tranquility and a mental balance.

His knowledge has an oral tradition which is being handed down from grandfather to grandchild and bases on ancient wisdoms and insights. They are in stories, rituals, songs, and legends."

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http://www.djembe/dk/no/19/08biwapi.html

This is an English language site publishing an article written by N.M. about Black Indians.
(The same article can be found at http://www.africanamericans.com/BlackIndians.htm )
They have got background info differing from the one above:

"Nomad Winterhawk - Ntsistsista (Butterfly Clan) - is a Black Indian of Cheyenne/Apache -Senegal African-Irish-Algonquin heritage. He has written a book honoring Black Indians and the 500 Year Heritage: 'The Black Indian Cultural Heritage' - designed to empower other Black Indians and inspire other individuals who have lost contact with their cultural roots.

Scheduled to be published in 1997, the focus of the book is on the value of honoring life, and the issues that confront Black Indians in their daily, individual as well as collective lives. As interesting alternatives to the violence we have around us, it provides valuable images of life passages, in the context of community enhanced ritual mechanisms."

Earth Circles, c/o Nomad Winterhawk
P.O.Box 72, Stamford, Lincolnshire, PE9 2WH, England

[just changed threat title-Al]
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: debbieredbear on November 14, 2006, 10:54:55 pm
EEEEWWWW! One of hardley swiftdick's band of pervs. Barf!
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: educatedindian on November 17, 2006, 03:51:53 pm
Those names...and what he claims to be Apache words. I'm far from being fluent, but naichista sounds more like a mangled mixing of Japanese and Spanish. Naicha is a Japanese word for themselves, and the suffix -ista is used in Spanish to mean "a follower or supporter of" or "a believer in". As in Zapatista, a follower of Zapata. The closest word to naichista I know of naki or naakii, the number two. (Then again, maybe he's sending a message. "Number two" is slang in the US for feces.) Apache is actually from Zuni, Apachu or enemy.

If he's co founder of the Deer Tribe, that must be news to Harley. First I ever heard of this, and kind of strange for anyone claiming to be a Black Indian to be part of a group planning for race war against Latino immigrants.

One Italian site on Siberian shamans sells videos of him appearing with many I don't know and a few who I know are frauds.
http://www.siberianshamanism.com/inglese/centrostudiinglese.html
"The circle of "Where the Egles Fly" worked togheter with great shamans as Nadia Stepanova  e Sodnom Boo (BURYATIA), Tserin Zarin Boo  (MONGOLIA), Prof. Mongush Kenin Lopsan, Ai-Tchourek Ojun , Vera Sazjna, Zakharova Aida, Kuular Ay-Suu, Popuu Dadar-ool, Choodu Aldyn Kherel, Dobyndo Natalia  (TUVA), Papa Elie Hien (BURKINA FASO), Bhola Nath Banstola e Ndrabahadur Newar (NEPAL) Habiba  (UZBEKISTAN), Kajuyali Tsamani(COLOMBIA), Yelitza Altamirano Valle (PERU), Maria Tepevnovna Etneut, Aleksandra Simonova, Ljudmila Ivanova (KAMCHATKA), Ilinka Vasilescu, (ROMANIA), Cherifa Kheddar (ALGERIA) Ani Choying Drolma (TIBET), Rosanna Tabasso e Giò Fronti (ITALIA), Wen-yi Wang  e Lei Wang-Dragin's (Cina),Sree Chakravarti (INDIA), Grandmother Sarah (CANADA)
Fraud >>>Brant Secunda, Nomad Winterhawk,
Fraud>>>Mary Elisabeth Tunder, Carole Ione Lewis (USA), Migadalia Rodriguez (CUBA),Flying Beauty(CINA), Ioana Morange(FRANCIA)   who all share the same vision: to live a better life, in the respect of Mother Earth.
Where The Eagles Fly Siberian Shamanic Studies  Via Pantelleria 1, 13048 Santhia' (VC) Italy 
Tel. 339 8173161 - 335 8012597  Fax 0165 94109"

But almost all the sites seem to be German or Danish. The one time he seems to have been in the US it was to sell workshops.
http://www.wavenewspapers.com//default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=78&twindow=&mad=No&sdetail=4483&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=1019&hn=wavenewspapers&he=.com
"Nomad Winterhawk, author of the newly released book Circular Thought: An African-Native American Traditional Understanding is conducting Dream Workshops through Monday at the KRST Unity Center of African Spirituality, 7825 S. Western Ave., Los Angeles. The workshops will help people to explore the different levels of consciousness in dreams, how to apply the principals of circular thought. The workshop takes place from 7 to 9 p.m. Information: (323) 759-7567."
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Carsten on April 03, 2013, 04:50:25 pm
I happen to have met Nomad and know him for a year.  he lives in my town.   he is not living with a German girl neither has anything to do with Germany. as far as I know.   

not that I spoken a lot to him about his work ,   but I see no sign that he should not be what he claims to be.

I can not access the above link.  so I can not tell if someone is posing as him abusing the name ,  however he is a ceremonial roadchief and travels around the world but lives as a author and he does not write about new age or something like that ,   merely portraits the history of how humans evolved and came from Africa so its not a new age fake your dealing with in that regard .   

in these cases , when dealing with a Native American you can always ask for his clan , tribe affiliation and check out if that exist.  if it does and they know him  as a shaman or whatever the individual claiming to be then he is legit.   otherwise not.

I did not bother to check these things out because as said.  he earns a living by writing about history.   nothing else.   fact is that his wife which sometimes comes to my home as a nurse  been to the US to visit his tribe so I see no reason to doubt that the representation of who he is should nothing but correct. 

he is not a typical new age fraud in any instance.  trust me I can spot them a mile away.   
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Epiphany on April 03, 2013, 05:31:07 pm
2011
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The North American Indians philosophy of life - the circular thinking - Lecture by Nomad Winterhawk - Wednesday, 12.01, at. 19:30 to 21:30. Admission DKK 125

Nomad Winterhawk is medicine man and history professor. He will at inspiring some talk about the North American American Indian history, culture and philosophy of life, including on the circular thinking, and the awareness of our unconscious patterns including dreams as a tool to do so. As a Medicine Man, historian, ceremonial chief and learn from the Circular mindsets and Medicinhjulets roads, disseminate and he teaches Indian history, culture and philosophy of life. As the bearer of the oral tradition philosophy tells Nomad his stories as a means of personal self-development and has over the years encouraged many to rediscover their kinship with nature. Questions such as how individuals can relate to nature, themselves and each other is an extremely challenging teaching that sets requirements for the simple to gather courage and strength to live their lives fully. More info on www.nomadwinterhawk.dk

Google translation from http://www.selvet.dk/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=274&id=133688&Itemid=2250 (http://www.selvet.dk/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=274&id=133688&Itemid=2250)


Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: earthw7 on April 03, 2013, 09:10:46 pm
I am sorry but ....
all the things i see are just plain wrong, first we dont have our medicine people living in europe
or traveling around the world
second he is not a member of a tribal nation unless he has an enrollment number,
then he has tell the family he comes from because everything is about family.

What kind of ceremonies is suppose to be a chief of even this statement is laughable.
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 03, 2013, 11:50:19 pm
not that I spoken a lot to him about his work ,   but I see no sign that he should not be what he claims to be.

I see no sign that he's anything but a fraud.

He is hooked up with some of the worst exploiters and sexual predators out there, even claiming credit for running one of the worst groups (which will actually cause him all sorts of grief as he's just taken credit for the work of someone who is armed and aggressive).

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however he is a ceremonial roadchief and travels around the world but lives as a author and he does not write about new age or something like that ,   merely portraits the history of how humans evolved and came from Africa so its not a new age fake your dealing with in that regard .   

Oh boy... please spend some time reading the threads on the groups he claims involvement with. I realize you're new here, but you need to get up to speed.

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in these cases , when dealing with a Native American you can always ask for his clan , tribe affiliation and check out if that exist.  if it does and they know him  as a shaman or whatever the individual claiming to be then he is legit.   otherwise not.

If someone claims to be a Native American "shaman," they are not legit. And you need to contact real tribes, not the fake ones people like this try to ally themselves with.

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I did not bother to check these things out because as said.  he earns a living by writing about history.   nothing else. 

fact is that his wife which sometimes comes to my home as a nurse  been to the US to visit his tribe so I see no reason to doubt that the representation of who he is should nothing but correct. 

he is not a typical new age fraud in any instance.  trust me I can spot them a mile away.   

Hopefully the things we've posted here will make it clear that you really do need to check these guys out before believing them, and you haven't yet learned to spot frauds. Please read what others have said about this guy and his associates, and the related threads in the forum. He didn't fool any of us for a moment.
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Superdog on April 04, 2013, 12:57:20 am
  he earns a living by writing about history.   

I wouldn't exactly call what he does "writing about history".  It's more interpreting cherry picked facts out of history to support his narrative.  His research is some of the worst I've seen.  His conclusions are laughable.  His whole theory about Africans "clearly and undisputably" being the first Americans all boils down to Olmec carvings that a few people in history deemed to have "negroid" features.  That's it....and a theory that's been debunked over and over again.  He's not selling a "hidden history"....he's making it up.

The other titles he claims...also not realistic.  I know you live in his town and I know he's probably a decent fellow to talk to...but he's pulling some serious legs and trying to make a career out of it.  I don't see a whole lot that he publishes that could be deemed truthful or accurate. 

Superdog
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Superdog on April 04, 2013, 01:10:16 am
he is not a typical new age fraud in any instance.  trust me I can spot them a mile away.   

Your radar needs work...  ;)

An excerpt from his website's biography page:

http://nomadwinterhawk.dk/biography/

"He apprenticed under Master Teacher Grandfather Falling Tree (Paternal Grandfather, Tuumontcokovi/Black Apache).  He received further instruction and training under Elder & Master Teachers: Don Jose Vicente Montenegro (Equador); Grandfather Tom Wilson (Dine); Stormchild (N. Cheyenne); Uni Howi Ashkananton (Texas, Metis Cherokee); and Papa Elie Hien (Dogara Titiolo, Bakina Fasso).

With his colleagues, Winterhawk has conducted numerous community events, healing ceremonies, as well as, birthing and naming ceremonies, vision quests, arrow renewal (Sundance Pilgrimages), purification rituals (Temescatl, Sweatlodge), as well as dream workshops. "


He's as typical as it gets.....

Superdog
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Superdog on April 04, 2013, 02:00:04 am
A little more.  An article describing Nomad in 2009.

http://www.lostrillone.tv/legginotizia.asp?idnotizia=1665&idcatnotizia=8&titolo=Rituali%20indiani%20al%20Fiume%20di%20Pietra

(Google translation of the article with bolded highlights)
"The "Sweat Lodge" is' the most characteristic ritual of the Native American culture and is a representation of heaven on earth and as such can pray together and purify themselves to achieve unity with the whole universe. Involves the construction of a "sauna" to form semi-oval that represents the womb of the Great Mother earth where you enter to return to symbolically reborn into a new awareness. In the ritual prayers are formulated for themselves, for others, for the ancestors.

"Getting back in the hut means to be born into a new life."

With Nomad (Winter Hawk) Hawk winter
Nomad is a Native American that Europeans often refer

an "Indian Red." Nomad is not a "Red Indian" is an African in the ethnic origins and a Native American cultural orientation. There are many different groups, societies, clans, tribes and nations of Native Americans, but they share the same cultural knowledge, love and respect for life Mother (Earth). Nomad, or Winter Hawk (Falco Winter) as should be appointed during the ceremonies, should more accurately be referred to an African Native American.

Nomad was educated culturally as a "Road Chief" (Chief Ceremony) or what we Europeans call a "Medicine Man" (Medicine Man). The title has achieved in his own language is E'CHASHKA'EHY. In our culture this is equivalent to our western titles Doctor, Psychologist, Historical, Minister of Worship and Spiritual Counsellor.
In the 28 years he has traveled to share their traditions with people all over the world. In recent years Nomad had functions "Nanitzhozi", a "Ambassador of Goodness" (Ambassador of Benevolence). For this reason, during the summer of 1997, he was honored by the Native American community of Africans in Los Angeles, California, for his support to the spiritual community. He had among his teachers and his grandfather Fallen Tree Don Juan and Don Genero masters of the writer anthropologist Carlos Castaneda.


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Nomad is currently working on a project with the purpose of a change culturale.Egli exposes through its conferences, the Way of the Medicine Wheel to convey to the public the Native American culture and the need for cultural sensitivity. With his seminars he gave others the opportunity to experience the essence of the African Native American Spirituality

to "River of Stone" alongside Vesuvius Observatory (Ercolano)"




Turns out his grandfather "Master Teacher Falling Tree" is a Castaneda follower....
Add this to the lengthening list of frauds Nomad lists as sources of his information....

Pictures on his fb include a nude bodypainted photo that seems to be the outfit he chooses for one of his "ceremonies"....

Odd and slightly disturbing....

Superdog
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Carsten on April 04, 2013, 09:09:16 am
not that I spoken a lot to him about his work ,   but I see no sign that he should not be what he claims to be.

I see no sign that he's anything but a fraud.

He is hooked up with some of the worst exploiters and sexual predators out there, even claiming credit for running one of the worst groups (which will actually cause him all sorts of grief as he's just taken credit for the work of someone who is armed and aggressive).

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however he is a ceremonial roadchief and travels around the world but lives as a author and he does not write about new age or something like that ,   merely portraits the history of how humans evolved and came from Africa so its not a new age fake your dealing with in that regard .   

Oh boy... please spend some time reading the threads on the groups he claims involvement with. I realize you're new here, but you need to get up to speed.

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in these cases , when dealing with a Native American you can always ask for his clan , tribe affiliation and check out if that exist.  if it does and they know him  as a shaman or whatever the individual claiming to be then he is legit.   otherwise not.

If someone claims to be a Native American "shaman," they are not legit. And you need to contact real tribes, not the fake ones people like this try to ally themselves with.

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I did not bother to check these things out because as said.  he earns a living by writing about history.   nothing else. 

fact is that his wife which sometimes comes to my home as a nurse  been to the US to visit his tribe so I see no reason to doubt that the representation of who he is should nothing but correct. 

he is not a typical new age fraud in any instance.  trust me I can spot them a mile away.   

Hopefully the things we've posted here will make it clear that you really do need to check these guys out before believing them, and you haven't yet learned to spot frauds. Please read what others have said about this guy and his associates, and the related threads in the forum. He didn't fool any of us for a moment.

well I have to admit I am not sure what this is ,  I know a writer .  nothing to do with anything in Germany or someone doping ceremonies or anything.

I wonder if its the same person at all.  I cant see the pictures in the links in the first post but I do know for a fact he has nothing to do with Germany in anyway.

can you do me a favour then and post links I can quickly go trough so I am sure what I am dealing with ,  I have no interest in  defending frauds but as said I am not even sure its the same person we are talking about. 

the one I meet sometimes is no typical Danish new age type of person for sure.   we never even talked about anything but history , as he see it  and write about. 


Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Superdog on April 04, 2013, 10:47:34 am
Here you go Carsten. 

Here's Nomad's Facebook photo page so you can confirm if you are discussing the same person we are:
https://www.facebook.com/nomad.winterhawk/photos

And here's his website:
http://nomadwinterhawk.dk/

Superdog
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Carsten on April 04, 2013, 01:23:28 pm
hmm...it is the person indeed. 

nothing I ever experienced with him told me he should be anything but a writer ,  history geek if you like so it does seem odd to me , with the things presented here.

I am not sure what to think of it to be honest ,. 

typical Danish new age people will look like this http://www.shamanvaerkstedet.dk/priser-62484.html
she is shaman healer and lots of things.  cost a lot too.  and have a practice and makes money on it.

some have a Native American drum and even clothes to match.   its not traditional  but looks very "Indian"  .

they will also make sure to tell you about this as the very first thing they do.,   

Nomad does neither of these things but is very interested in discussing history ,  and as such I would not label him a fraud as the first thing. 

however if its true and its the same person around the world doing ceremonies and stuff then I would be more interested in finding out a little more about the person before making up my mind about this . 

to me he never claimed to be Native American shaman ,   however he does say that he is a African Native American  relative .  not full blood or anything.  he does not say he is a healer or medicine person either.   

but interesting to find this information. 

Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: educatedindian on April 04, 2013, 01:50:09 pm
Carsten, let me add to what others have said, he is purely and obviously a fraud. What may confuse you is the fact that he is Black. There are Nuage frauds in the US who target Blacks. There are Blacks in the US who have family stories of Native ancestry and there are also some Blacks who want to deny Black ancestry because of shame or to avoid anti Black racism.

NW claims to be "Black Apache." There is no such thing. Apaches were nowhere near the southeast US, where the Black population was. Any mixing was pretty recent, and there is no Black Apache community as he falsely claims.

He falsely claims Tuumontcokovi means "Black Apache." It does not. It's another name for the Chemehuevi tribe, an entirely different people and culture unrelated to Apaches. While I'm far from being a fluent Apache speaker, none of the words he claims are Apache seem to be.
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: earthw7 on April 04, 2013, 03:29:40 pm
hmm...it is the person indeed. 

nothing I ever experienced with him told me he should be anything but a writer ,  history geek if you like so it does seem odd to me , with the things presented here.

I am not sure what to think of it to be honest ,. 

typical Danish new age people will look like this http://www.shamanvaerkstedet.dk/priser-62484.html
she is shaman healer and lots of things.  cost a lot too.  and have a practice and makes money on it.

some have a Native American drum and even clothes to match.   its not traditional  but looks very "Indian"  .

they will also make sure to tell you about this as the very first thing they do.,   

Nomad does neither of these things but is very interested in discussing history ,  and as such I would not label him a fraud as the first thing. 

however if its true and its the same person around the world doing ceremonies and stuff then I would be more interested in finding out a little more about the person before making up my mind about this . 

to me he never claimed to be Native American shaman ,   however he does say that he is a African Native American  relative .  not full blood or anything.  he does not say he is a healer or medicine person either.   

but interesting to find this information.

I hate to say this but what is looking very Indian mean?
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Carsten on April 04, 2013, 03:44:37 pm
hmm...it is the person indeed. 

nothing I ever experienced with him told me he should be anything but a writer ,  history geek if you like so it does seem odd to me , with the things presented here.

I am not sure what to think of it to be honest ,. 

typical Danish new age people will look like this http://www.shamanvaerkstedet.dk/priser-62484.html
she is shaman healer and lots of things.  cost a lot too.  and have a practice and makes money on it.

some have a Native American drum and even clothes to match.   its not traditional  but looks very "Indian"  .

they will also make sure to tell you about this as the very first thing they do.,   

Nomad does neither of these things but is very interested in discussing history ,  and as such I would not label him a fraud as the first thing. 

however if its true and its the same person around the world doing ceremonies and stuff then I would be more interested in finding out a little more about the person before making up my mind about this . 

to me he never claimed to be Native American shaman ,   however he does say that he is a African Native American  relative .  not full blood or anything.  he does not say he is a healer or medicine person either.   

but interesting to find this information.

I hate to say this but what is looking very Indian mean?

it was a ironic statement.   but there are few people here who post a picture on their website with clothing more or less homemade that  has beads and looks stereotype Native American as you will see in wild west movies.

off course  they can never be taken seriously at all but for some reason they will still pose with the homemade outfit claiming to be a native american shaman and take money for it.

there are also whites that  does not claim to be anything but just sell  sauna and with a Native American theme (sweatlodge) or finnish steam bath as a  novelty  for people who are bored or whatever.

there has been sweatlodge offerings ,  even courses in how to conduct these made by white people.  but its not so often seen around here , even though the interest is there for sure in the native americans. 

we have one legit Native American I know of here.   Hakita Najin Jordan.  he is lakota spokes person here in Denmark .  and here there used to live a  mixed blood canadian native indian but apart from that I know no legit native americans .

Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Carsten on April 04, 2013, 03:55:43 pm
Carsten, let me add to what others have said, he is purely and obviously a fraud. What may confuse you is the fact that he is Black. There are Nuage frauds in the US who target Blacks. There are Blacks in the US who have family stories of Native ancestry and there are also some Blacks who want to deny Black ancestry because of shame or to avoid anti Black racism.

NW claims to be "Black Apache." There is no such thing. Apaches were nowhere near the southeast US, where the Black population was. Any mixing was pretty recent, and there is no Black Apache community as he falsely claims.

He falsely claims Tuumontcokovi means "Black Apache." It does not. It's another name for the Chemehuevi tribe, an entirely different people and culture unrelated to Apaches. While I'm far from being a fluent Apache speaker, none of the words he claims are Apache seem to be.

it does add to the confusion that he is black.   I  was under the impression that he said he was part African and part native american ,   but what confuses me is that  from what I Know about him also known him for a year  he does not conduct ceremonies.   he has nothing to do with germany or any deer tribe.   he lives as a author  and claims only to be part blood african and part blood native american.

if its the same the posters from other cities are him too then its a sort of double life he leads or had a darker past or just not talk about these things in his hometown.  not sure. 

it just comes as a surprise to read all of this to be honest.
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: earthw7 on April 04, 2013, 04:52:50 pm
That is what frauds do
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Ingeborg on April 04, 2013, 05:33:26 pm

While Winterhawk did not look all that impressing in his fraudulent activities a few years ago, this is quite different meanwhile. His own website does not sell any ceremonies or courses, but there is much evidence of his selling lectures, courses and "Private Consultations" in Denmark, Italy, and Great Britain.

Although he does not make personal appearances in Germany, he has had students from Germany and also from Denmark, to whom he taught an alleged healing method he calls „Flowering Tree“. There are quite a few sites mentioning a respective training with Winterhawk, so e.g.:

http://www.institut-thomas-bode.com/40576.html

One employee by the name of Britta Stein claims „mental and meditative techniques for healing (flowering tree according to Nomad Winterhawk)“. On her own website (where her name is „Britta Möbius“), she repeats this claim.


http://www.freieheilpraktiker.com/content.php?str_css=&CO_ID=&l0_ID=105&l1_ID=3&l2_ID=26&l3_ID=3016

This is a lecture by Roswitha Kramm-Riewendt, alternative practician, on the Flowering Tree method, in which she mentions NM's alleged tribal affiliation, and his plastic credentials:

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Medicine man Nomad Winterhawk broughtbrought the knowledge about this therapy to Europe, since he saw the necessity to pass on this knowledge.

Winterhawk is a medicine man of the Na'ichista Clan, a people to whom the white man, besides other clans and tribes, gave the name „Apache“ - an ancient Spanish word for „enemy“ - and who traditionally live in a region we today call Northeastern Arizona and Northwestern New Mexico.
Winterhawk is an „E’chaskaehy“ („One who knows“), and he got his knowledge from his grandfather Falling Tree. His knowledge has an oral tradition which is carried from grandfather to grandson and which is based on ancient wisdoms and insights. These are included in stories, wisdoms of his people, songs, and legends. He uses the principles of the Medicine Wheel to pass the ancient knowledge of his people to us. He is a co-founder of „Metis Deer Tribe Medicine Society“ [sic!] and he is a „Road Chief“ of the „Native American Church“.

The legend of the Flowering Tree can be re-read in the book „Seven Arrows“ by Hyemeyohsts Storm.

In 1990, Nomad Winterhawk did a lecture on Flowering Tree in the small Danish village of Alken in the vicinity of Skanderborg. Peter Raasch was one of the audience; he is my brother who migrated to Denmark in 1967.

So NM is a co-founder of the Deer Tribe? Does Harley Regan know?  ;D

RKR also cooperates with her brother, Peter Raasch, who maintains his own website:
http://www.floweringtree.dk/default.asp?Id=127
Here are some of Raasch's price tags:
The First Seminar from March 7-13: DK 8,000 (~$ 1.376)
Second Seminar (FT method in practice): DK 10,000 (~$ 1.720)
Third Seminar (Final Seminar and Exam): DK 10,000
http://www.floweringtree.dk/default.asp?Id=183

Raasch also works as a counselor in Berlin:

Some more persons advertising this therapy:

Gabriele Flowers:
http://www.whitebuffalospirit.de/resources/Biografie+Gabriele+Flowers+WhiteBuffaloSpirit.PDF.

Excerpt from her biography:
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... Since 2004: Organisation and realisation of Indian Camps and events
… Since 1999 Assistance of various shamans from Canada, USA, and Europe
[…]
2008: Training as a Counselor [sic] with Manitonquat, Elder of Assonet Wampanoag Nation, USA
[…]
2003-2004: Training in Healing the Inner Child „Flowering Tree“ according to the teachings of Nomad Winterhawk, USA

Sigrid Davies:
http://www.sigrid-davies.de/page6.php

Liselotte Kring:

http://liselottekring.dk/om.html

Gissele Nielsen:
http://alterne.dk/gissele-nielsen/


Randi Even:
http://www.traestammen.dk/om_mig.html
Even claims to have been taught by various frauds, among them Nomad Winterhawk and Deer Tribe.

Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Carsten on April 04, 2013, 06:05:51 pm
hmm...it is the person indeed. 

nothing I ever experienced with him told me he should be anything but a writer ,  history geek if you like so it does seem odd to me , with the things presented here.

I am not sure what to think of it to be honest ,. 

typical Danish new age people will look like this http://www.shamanvaerkstedet.dk/priser-62484.html
she is shaman healer and lots of things.  cost a lot too.  and have a practice and makes money on it.

some have a Native American drum and even clothes to match.   its not traditional  but looks very "Indian"  .

they will also make sure to tell you about this as the very first thing they do.,   

Nomad does neither of these things but is very interested in discussing history ,  and as such I would not label him a fraud as the first thing. 

however if its true and its the same person around the world doing ceremonies and stuff then I would be more interested in finding out a little more about the person before making up my mind about this . 

to me he never claimed to be Native American shaman ,   however he does say that he is a African Native American  relative .  not full blood or anything.  he does not say he is a healer or medicine person either.   

but interesting to find this information.

I hate to say this but what is looking very Indian mean?

it was a ironic statement.  often you see them dress in typical wild west movie outfits.   beads and stuff so they look like the indians in the movies. 

off course homemade and not genuine and if then its something they found in a tourist shop. 

off course its not to be taken serious but maybe it does fool a few people or maybe they just think its fun and pay for the entertainment of the sessions.


Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 04, 2013, 06:18:00 pm
Anyone who hasn't should also see the exchanges in Carsten's intro thread. Everything is not what he tried to make it seem in his posts here.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4025.msg33791#msg33791
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 04, 2013, 06:21:22 pm
we have one legit Native American I know of here.  Hakita Najin Jordan.  he is lakota spokes person here in Denmark . and here there used to live a  mixed blood canadian native indian but apart from that I know no legit native americans .

Who is  Hakita Najin Jordan and who said he was a spokesman for the Lakota?

Is it this person, Melvin Custer Jordan?

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=69722178

The obituary makes these claims, but there is no credit given on the obituary and they are rarely fact-checked. Anyone from Rosebud know about this?  If he was teaching sweat to Euros do we need a thread on him despite the fact he's crossed?
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Carsten on April 04, 2013, 07:11:40 pm
we have one legit Native American I know of here.  Hakita Najin Jordan.  he is lakota spokes person here in Denmark . and here there used to live a  mixed blood canadian native indian but apart from that I know no legit native americans .

Who is  Hakita Najin Jordan and who said he was a spokesman for the Lakota?

Is it this person, Melvin Custer Jordan?

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=69722178

The obituary makes these claims, but there is no credit given on the obituary and they are rarely fact-checked. Anyone from Rosebud know about this?  If he was teaching sweat to Euros do we need a thread on him despite the fact he's crossed?

it does seem to be him  based on the few facts I can verify.

the place he lives is correct.   the woman is living where it claims.   the birthname I do not know .  I need to see a picture to verify that.

he is from rosebud and fought the vietnam war.   then at some time been on a instituon as a kid he ran away from and  he also does sundance  every fourth  year in rosebud.

his wife and him founded the site here . tipi.dk   which is a meeting point for all interested in native americans and its a friendship community.

he knows a albert whitehat.   

not much more I can remember other than he adopted a pair of danes I used to know pretty good but not as personal friends .,

I would be very surprised if  he was not legit.   its after all  whole community he should have fooled for many years including a couple I Know personally that was adopted by him. 


but please do investigate him all you can.   I would honestly like to know what you do find out. 
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Carsten on April 04, 2013, 07:50:43 pm
That is what frauds do
that is off course pretty correct.   to be honest I had doubts about him for several reasons , however since we never discussed spirituality neither  much about native americans , that any history book would be able to confirm since it is what he likes to talk about I never worried much about it.

have to understand I know him and see him as a writer.   nothing more. 

that does not mean he is not with a past  as a fraud or doing something in other countries as a fraud but I Never considered him as anything but a black  person writing about  history.
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: earthw7 on April 04, 2013, 08:52:38 pm
I want to say i am sorry for being so upfront with you
but after i seen all the post about you I see you as the fraud
who is defending two frauds.
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Ingeborg on April 04, 2013, 09:25:36 pm
With all the info presented here about Winterhawk selling seminars and lectures, teaches a dubious healing method since at least 1990 - and according to some claims since 1975 - in Europe with various former students of his having set up practice as healers in Germany and Denmark themselves --- I suggest to move this thread to the Fraud section.


Second part of my research on Winterhawk's activities in Europe:


NW is also doing seminars and lectures in various European countries and has been doing this for years.

One focus of his activities is Italy where he seems to be going annually, as I found ads for lectures and courses in various years and towns.

http://www.visionealchemica.com/conferenza-online-sulla-via-del-sogno-con-nomad-winterhawk/

He uses the same legend as to his ethnic affiliation here, with some more details:

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Appartengo al gruppo che chiamiamo Nuwuwu o Nuwu (nero Apache). Il mio Clan è Na’chista, The GREAT BUTTERFLY CLAN DREAMERS. Il mio nome di nascita cerimoniale è Nod ah’sti, il che significa Winterhawk (Falco d’Inverno).

So the Black Apache here get called Nuwuwu or Nuwu, and Winterhawk's 'ceremonial birth name' is "Nod ah'sti"...
The ad was set up by the Italian organisers who do not give any price-tags. The event took place from June 1-3, 2012 in Tuscany.
However, the same event advertised at another platform does give prices:

http://allevents.in/events/NOMAD-WINTERHAWK-LA-VIA-DEL-SOGNO/358324104206089
NOMAD WINTERHAWK : LA VIA DEL SOGNO

„Costs of the seminar:
Euro 300 including food and accom – Euro 250 for persons booking prior to May 4.“


http://www.visionealchemica.com/tag/nomad-winterhawk/

Another event on May 16, 2012 on his book Circular Thought.


http://sorgentedelbenessere.blogspot.de/2011/09/eventi-di-settembre-ottobre-2011.html

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Martedì 13 Settembre, sarà presente Nomad Winterhawk, uomo di medicina nativo americano africano, capo cerimoniere e ambasciatore di benevolenza, per una conferenza gratuita, alle ore 18.30.

Venderdì 16 - Domenica 18 Settembre
Sweat Lodge Ceremony
3 intensi giorni insieme per costruire insieme la “capanna sudatoria” e condividere uno dei rituali di purificazione più antichi che si conoscano, condotto da Nomad Winterhawke, capo cerimoniale.
* l'evento non si terrà presso il nostro centro, bensì presso il centro vividea di Lanuvio.

This announces a conference free of charge on Sept 13, 2011, and a sweatlodge ceremony taking place from Fri, Sept 16 to Sun Sept 18, 2011. Apparently constructing the lodge is part of the three-day schedule.


This 2008 ad is interesting because of the 'ceremony' announced:

http://comunedipartenope.it/category/tags/nomad-winterhawk

In a seminar taking place from Oct 10 – Oct 12, 2008, Winterhawk will speak on „la danza dello scialle nero“, i.e. the dance of the black shawl.


Winterhawk also participated in a shame-on congress in 2003 called „Summer of Love“:

http://www.siberianshamanism.com/summer-of-love-2003.html

NW was announced for July 5-6. The text claims he was „riconosciuto“ in America and Europe. It further mentions Winterhawk was part of the „ancient tradition of the Tuumontcokovi“ which is the name the Chemehuevi call themselves.
Apart from this, the text is rife with buzzwords like „madre terra“ and „padre cielo“, „ancestral energies“ etc.


Winterhawk has been touring Great Britain at least once in 2011:

http://london.thespiritguides.co.uk/EventsComments.aspx?Circular_Thought_Spiritual_Development_London&e=8544&p=48&Redirect=Workshops.aspx%3Fv%3D173%238544

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Circular Thought
[Sunday,30 Jan 2011]

Circular Thought
Nomad Winterhawk, North American Indian will teach Circular Thinking from his Native Tradition.


http://yorkshire.thespiritguides.co.uk/EventsComments.aspx?e=8495

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Black Native Americans
[Tuesday,18 Jan 2011]

Black Native Americans
Nomad Winterhawk Medicine Man, Pipe Carrier, Echasha-ehy, One Who Knows, will be giving a talk .

Also Conducting two Workshops while he is in the UK, at the Bonnington Centre Vauxhall, and also available for Private Consultations.

So apart from the lectures, doing seminars and particularly „private consultations“ provided further income.


Winterhawk also does lectures in Denmark – a few examples:

First a lectures in the town of Randers on Sept 28, 2010

http://dinby.dk/faarup/medicinmand-paa-undervaerket?minby=kolding

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Tirsdag den 28. september 2010, 13:30
RANDERS: Mandag 4. oktober er der mulighed for at opleve en ægte medicin-mand, når Nomad Winterhawk holder foredrag på Underværket i Randers.
[...]
Og hvem er så denne medicinmand?
Nomad er en afrikansk/indfødt amerikaner eller Tuumontcokovi Na?chista. Det sidste betyder Sort Apache eller De Sortskæggede Indianere fra Arizona, af Sommerfugle Klanen. Nomads mor var halvt singaleser fra Vestafrika og halvt Cheyenne - indianer. Han er opvokset i Arizona og har stået i lære som Medicinmand hos sin bedstefar Falling Tree, hvor han lærte om de gamle traditioner og ceremonier.
I dag anerkendes Nomad som Road Chief eller Medicinmand af The Native American Church, en ære, som efter sigende kun er ganske få forundt.I 1975 introducerede Nomad Winterhawk Flowering Tree Metoden (Healing af Det Sårede indre Barn) i Danmark.
Foredraget begynder klokken 19, og for de 100 kr.

There are a few more biographical details here, so I'll translate:
Nomad is an African/native American or Tuumontcokovi Na'ichista. The last term means Black Apache or the Black-skinned Indians from Arizona, of the Butterfly Clan. Nomads mother was half Senegalese from West Africa and half Cheyenne-Indian. He grew up in Arizona and stayed and learned to be a medicine man from his grandfather Falling Tree who also taught him the ancient traditions and ceremonies.
Today, Nomad is a recognized Road Chief or Medicine man of the Native American Church […]. In 1975, Nomad Winterhawk introduced his Flowering Tree method (healing of the inner child) in Danmark.
The lecture will start at 7 p.m. and [will cost] 100 kr [~$ 17,21]

Another in the town of Arhus with an entrance fee of 125 kr:

http://www.aoa.dk/byliv/en-indianer-kommer-til-byen

In the town of Viborg:

http://viborg.dk/db/viborgkal.nsf/printaktivitet.xsp?documentId=C4DBF28833EDB43AC1257713005183ED&action=openDocument&print=1

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02-07-2010 kl.19:30 – 22:00

"Tyran seminar med Medicinmand Nomad Winterhawk "

This one is interesting because Winterhawk meanwhile got promoted and is a professor:

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Winterhawk er en afrikansk amerikansk indfødt Tuumontcoko, som på dansk betyder Sort Apache. Som Medicinmand, historieprofessor, Ceremoniel høvding og lære af den Cirkulære Tankegang og Medicinhjulets veje, udbreder og underviser han i indianernes historie, kultur og livsfilosofi. Som en overbringer af den mundtlige traditions filosofi fortæller Nomad sine historier som et middel til personlig selvudvikling og har i tidens løb opmuntret mange til at genopdage deres slægtsskab med naturen. Spørgsmål som hvordan individer kan relatere til naturen, dem selv og hinanden er en yderst udfordrende undervisningsform, som sætter krav til den enkle om at samle mod og styrke til at leve deres liv fuldt ud. Nomad er lære i mytologi og drømme, der udtrykker sig på tværs af kulturelle barrierer. Hans mytologi består i kærligheden til Moder Liv, vores planet og hans arbejde fremmer selvansvarlighed, for at udvikle den absolutte selvrespekt. The Native American Church har anerkendt Nomad som Road Chief, Medicinmand. En ære som kun få får tilkendt. Han varetager forskellige spirituelle ceremonier og fungere som Warrior – Healer. Han har introduceret Flowering Tree Metoden (Heling af Det Sårede Indre Barn) på conferencer og seminar. Desuden har han deltaget i projekter som Rites of Passage Programs, som er overgangs ritualer - en personlig livstransition. [...] I 2005 efter en præsentation af sin bog "Circular Thought" for The Association for the Study of Classical African Civilization ved Rutgers University i New Jersey, fik Nomad tilkendt sin professor titel. Prisen for dette weekend seminar er 2500,- kr.

Winterhawk is an African-American native Tuumontcoko which in Danish means Black Apache. As a medicine man, professor of history, and ceremonial chief he will teach Circular Thinking and the ways of the medicine hut, he will explain and teach in Indian history, culture [sic] and life philosophy. […] Nomad teaches mythology and dreams which express across cultural barriers. […] The Native American Church has recognized Nomad as a Road Chief, Medicine Man. […] An honour which is only rarely bestowed. He introduced the Flowering Tree method (Healing the Wounded Inner Child) in conferences and seminars. He further participated in projects on rites of passage programmes […] In 2005, after a presentation of his book „Circular Thought“ for the Association for the Study of Classical African Civilization at Rutgers University in New Jersey, Nomad received his title of a professor. The price of this weekend seminar is 2500 kr.

Oh, all one has to do is present one's fiction book to earn a professor? And even from Rutger's! My book will be on its way tomorrow, can someone please fix a date for a representation for me at Rutger's!
In Europe, the path to such titles happens to be somewhat more demanding – and we also know the same is true for the USA. So, Mr Winterhawk, pull another one – this one's got bells on it.



Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Epiphany on April 04, 2013, 11:37:45 pm
2012 post on a military history forum, this thread on Greatest Native American (Red Indian) Generals:

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George, I have been interested in the old west since I read "Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown in the 70`s ( a christmas present from my father).

My interest was revived in 2000 as I learned a friend of my wife called Nomad Winterhawk, an Apache/Cheyene anthropologist from New Mexico. He taught us a lot about the Medecine Wheel and the Sun Dance, and of course the kids loved his goodnight stories of "Jumping Mouse", "Coyote", "Talking Stone". He also taught them how to make a "Dream Catcher" so that they didn´t have nightmares and how to paint a cheyene shield.

As a farewell present, he gave me the book "Seven Arrows" by Hyemeyohsts Storm. Wonderful !

http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/forums/ViewPost.aspx?ForumID=2&ID=23959 (http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/forums/ViewPost.aspx?ForumID=2&ID=23959)
Info on Storm: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=899.0 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=899.0)




Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: educatedindian on April 05, 2013, 06:41:32 pm
With all the info presented here about Winterhawk selling seminars and lectures, teaches a dubious healing method since at least 1990 - and according to some claims since 1975 - in Europe with various former students of his having set up practice as healers in Germany and Denmark themselves --- I suggest to move this thread to the Fraud section....

quote]
 In 2005, after a presentation of his book „Circular Thought“ for the Association for the Study of Classical African Civilization at Rutgers University in New Jersey, Nomad received his title of a professor. The price of this weekend seminar is 2500 kr.

Oh, all one has to do is present one's fiction book to earn a professor? And even from Rutger's! My book will be on its way tomorrow, can someone please fix a date for a representation for me at Rutger's!
In Europe, the path to such titles happens to be somewhat more demanding – and we also know the same is true for the USA. So, Mr Winterhawk, pull another one – this one's got bells on it.

Rutgers doesnt seem to have an Assn for the Study of Classical African Civilization. It does have a Center for African Studies.
It'd be pretty unusual to get a full professorship without at least a decade as an assistant or associate professor first, usually closer to two decades.

One thing I haven't found yet is NW's real name. He sure wasn't born named that. No Native would choose such a stereotypical name as Nomad. I did see some links mentioning a former residence in Dallas and family in California, but no names.

Moving to Frauds, there's obviously quite a bit of moneymaking off false history and ceremony selling going on.

Carsten, haven't you wondered why a supposed Native/African medicine man would be peddling ceremony in Europe, so far away from his supposed people? It's one of the few places most people would not challenge him on his lies.
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Epiphany on April 05, 2013, 07:11:38 pm
Working on finding out Winterhawk's real name too, so far no luck.

Sometimes an author's true name can be found out through the name authority file system or other related library cataloging, a librarian friend checked for me, no luck there either.

 
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Epiphany on April 05, 2013, 07:59:13 pm
Association for the Study of Classical African Civilization http://www.ascacwesternregion.org/ (http://www.ascacwesternregion.org/)

Rutgers list of Honorary Degree Recipients http://universitysecretary.rutgers.edu/degrees?order=field_last_name_value&sort=asc (http://universitysecretary.rutgers.edu/degrees?order=field_last_name_value&sort=asc)  No Winterhawk listed even for honorary.

Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Carsten on April 05, 2013, 09:07:03 pm
With all the info presented here about Winterhawk selling seminars and lectures, teaches a dubious healing method since at least 1990 - and according to some claims since 1975 - in Europe with various former students of his having set up practice as healers in Germany and Denmark themselves --- I suggest to move this thread to the Fraud section....

quote]
 In 2005, after a presentation of his book „Circular Thought“ for the Association for the Study of Classical African Civilization at Rutgers University in New Jersey, Nomad received his title of a professor. The price of this weekend seminar is 2500 kr.

Oh, all one has to do is present one's fiction book to earn a professor? And even from Rutger's! My book will be on its way tomorrow, can someone please fix a date for a representation for me at Rutger's!
In Europe, the path to such titles happens to be somewhat more demanding – and we also know the same is true for the USA. So, Mr Winterhawk, pull another one – this one's got bells on it.

Rutgers doesnt seem to have an Assn for the Study of Classical African Civilization. It does have a Center for African Studies.
It'd be pretty unusual to get a full professorship without at least a decade as an assistant or associate professor first, usually closer to two decades.

One thing I haven't found yet is NW's real name. He sure wasn't born named that. No Native would choose such a stereotypical name as Nomad. I did see some links mentioning a former residence in Dallas and family in California, but no names.

Moving to Frauds, there's obviously quite a bit of moneymaking off false history and ceremony selling going on.

Carsten, haven't you wondered why a supposed Native/African medicine man would be peddling ceremony in Europe, so far away from his supposed people? It's one of the few places most people would not challenge him on his lies.
I have to agree his not looking  "legit"  and a new age kind of type from what  pops up on the net , proving off course its still the same person. 

I wont judge anyone before I am 100 % certain and can prove it.   but it does not look good for him i will give you that.
and for that matter I am not in here for judging people either.  I am here for finding facts and truth about him ,  since I know him and could run into him again.   nice to know what people are.   but to judge anyone has never been my objective. 


also one thing you need to consider , as a legal term you have to be able to prove your claims , otherwise your the one that can be taken legal actions against  ,  because you can not  call people racist or frauds or anything if its not able to be proven in court of law. 


however thanks for making aware that the guy is "fishy "  enough to questioned.   

the last question. well it is a valid question but also would be more interesting to discuss  as a part of the discussion in general   its too good a question to answer shortly.
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Carsten on April 05, 2013, 10:24:11 pm
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I wont judge anyone before I am 100 % certain and can prove it.   but it does not look good for him i will give you that.
and for that matter I am not in here for judging people either.  I am here for finding facts and truth about him ,  since I know him and could run into him again.   nice to know what people are.   but to judge anyone has never been my objective.


Let us know if you learn his real name.

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also one thing you need to consider , as a legal term you have to be able to prove your claims , otherwise your the one that can be taken legal actions against  ,  because you can not  call people racist or frauds or anything if its not able to be proven in court of law.


This is inaccurate. Research can be done, opinions expressed, we all have that freedom. 

Asking questions is a good thing. Wondering, evaluating, considering, discussing, this is all good.

its years since I met him last . I think.  I could maybe fish for it.  you have to understand I might as a person  have problems with just the fact I am discussing him around here.

his wife comes to me as a nurse.  no bad blood in this relation would be good.  I cant  take part in lynching him for you. but I can tell you my experiences with the person  I met.  stated as facts.  but not as moral judgement.

and no we do not have freedom here to say a person a racist or fraud.  it has to proven  in court if you claim something about people in written media  that can be used against you  in the case someone makes a legal actions.

its not likely  but you have to consider a  possible counter reaction from maybe his publisher.  its not likely however but always better to abide your country law as good you can.   freedom is a illusion anyway.  in modern society it is anyway.

Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 05, 2013, 10:31:10 pm
I cant  take part in lynching him for you.

Again with the racism. No one here is torturing someone to death and hanging their mutilated body in a tree for their family to find, as a threat to the family that if they don't leave or be quiet they will also face a gruesome death.

You are speaking to people whose families really experienced these things. Calling someone out on their lies is not "lynching." How dare you.
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Carsten on April 05, 2013, 10:33:41 pm
by the way ingeborg ?   you write a lot and lives in germany right ?  did you see him there.  or know this deertribe thing.

I am pretty sure he never been to germany.   however evidence suggest he is doing ceremonies in other places of the world 

this is what makes me say that its maybe not even the same person.   there could be two winterhawks afterall. 

the pictures  on the FB does suggest he is doing something ceremonial and it is proof enough.  I just don't want to accuse him of more than is actually rightful to do. 

if you can help me a little find out about the german parts.  I can either verify or even maybe fish a little around to find out more. 

but I also need to make sure first it is the same winterhawk. 

his real name.  well  you could hack into the system and find his marriage papers if you wanted but its hard to get away with but I doubt you can find out that  in other ways. 

I can maybe find a likely last name.   that is easy.  its in the phonebooks.
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Superdog on April 05, 2013, 11:15:15 pm
but I also need to make sure first it is the same winterhawk. 

That's not even a question. Anyone can easily cross reference the advertisements in the links with Nomad's own website (which is full of the information he presents).  It's all there, it all matches....

Superdog
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 06, 2013, 12:29:32 am
Since Carsten had to also make this thread all about him, I am also splitting his tangents off to his intro thread: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4025.0
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Ingeborg on April 06, 2013, 04:32:26 pm
its years since I met him last . I think. 

his wife comes to me as a nurse.  no bad blood in this relation would be good.  I cant  take part in lynching him for you. but I can tell you my experiences with the person  I met.  stated as facts.  but not as moral judgement.
emphasis mine


Oh well, there he goes, trying to BS us again.
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: educatedindian on April 11, 2013, 12:19:35 pm
Association for the Study of Classical African Civilization http://www.ascacwesternregion.org/ (http://www.ascacwesternregion.org/)


Not exactly an impressive group, or remotely mainstream in academia. The members are a who's who of Afrocentrics. The most infamous of them is Leonard Jeffries, a Black supremacist fired from City Univ of NY after he gave speeches claiming Jews ran the slave trade and that whites are naturally cruel "ice people" while Blacks can sense the universe thrugh their skin tone. Ivan van Sertima is the other well known figure, the founder of the Afrocentrics, his work mostly discredited.
Title: Re: Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Epiphany on November 19, 2013, 03:14:43 pm
Info on Nomad / Ronald Coleman and others from Varian http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4233.msg36187#msg36187 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4233.msg36187#msg36187)

Nomad's birth name is Ronald Coleman, born 4/18/1950.  He chose to change his name to Nomad in the late 1970's and added Winterhawk after studying with the DeerTribe many years later (not exactly sure when). We grew up together in Altadena, Ca and attended Elliott Junior High and graduated from John Muir High School (Pasadena, CA) in 1968. Nomad did make the US Track Team in the early1970's and travelled to numerous countries with them as a high jumper ( best height was 7' 1"). I would help him practice. He attended Westmont College, in Montecito, Ca which is a private christian college, until he was asked to leave because he and other black brothers would like to dance on campus(not allowed). We both attended Pasadena City College after that and then on to Cal State, Los Angeles. He majored in Psychology and to the best of my knowledge never finished his degree. We both knew Harley Reagan and Nomad, being obscessed with Bruce Lee started studying various martial arts. Harley taught us judo and other disciplines. My brother started seeing his wife Nicky(supposedly open marriage) but Harley's jealousy overtook him and put my brother in the hospital. My brother Alan and Nicky were married soon after her divorce ( he was with both Mary Shy Deer and Diane by this time). By and by, The Deer Tribe was formulated and within a very short time (met my future and current wife/partner at the first open Black Lodge meeting of the Deer Tribe at Harley's house in La Canada, Ca. in 1981 (met Chuck Storm and his son Rocky at this meeting, but that's another story).
Knowing Nomad and I,  Harley put us high up of his Tribe. It didn't take me long for me to see were Harley and his cronies were headed, so we exited the group fast, however, Nomad was taken in by the power the tribe had over his minions and continued on with them.  I hung out at Nomad and his family house (his dad was a civil engineer for the city of Los Angeles.  He had an older sister Dolores and younger sister Diane ( Dee Dee)and they had a real nice house that over looked the JPL. Nomad's parents took numerous trips to Africa to look up their roots, and never once did the subject of Native American blood come up. You know when one becomes a pathological liar, the lies become the truth in their minds. All the jibberish Harley and Nomad conjured up came had just enough truths to make it seem real to those seeking a spiritual path( especially with our white bread religions that have no substance which of course  being  created as a con game of mind control centuries earlier).
Varian
Title: Re: Ronald Coleman AKA Nomad Winterhawk
Post by: Epiphany on November 19, 2013, 05:36:38 pm
Name:    Ronald Coleman
Event Type:    Birth
Event Date:    18 Apr 1950
Event Place:    Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender:    Male
Mother's Name:    Crokett

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