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General => Frauds => Topic started by: debbieredbear on February 09, 2005, 05:47:33 pm
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Sweat Lodge Workshop
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Enota invites you to attend
"A Day of Discovery"
Teachings on: The Initi (Sweat Lodge)
Weekend Workshop February 11 & 12
Finding your own way through Ceremony
Sacred symbology of the Lodge
Power through Sacred Song
Power of the Purification Lodge
Recognition of Differences in Tribal ways
The weekend will include the proper way to create relationship in
Natural Ceremony, collect Grandfathers (rocks), the gathering of the
willows, the sacred herbs, building the lodge and in depth
participation in Initi preparations.
With: GARY FOURSTAR, Assiniboine and Ohlone lineage, Wadopena,
Thunderbird Clan, Sun Dancer, Lodge Keeper, Pipe Carrier, Leader and
Keeper of the Spirit Animal Dance, Spiritual advisor and holder of
healing knowledge through the Earth Peoples perspective.
Workshop and lodging Fee: $200 includes 5 meals and two nights lodging
at Enota
Ceremony is separate from the workshop and there is no charge for any
ceremonies conducted by Gary
Workshop: Friday night February 11th 7 p.m. to 10 p.m. & all day
Saturday February 12th
Call 800.990.8869 to sign-up for the workshop or reserve a space for
the sweat lodge ceremony
Initi Ceremony will begin at 5:00 pm on Saturday, Feb 12th at Enota.
Please remember that ceremony is open to all and that there is no
charge for the ceremony, only the $10 Enota (www.enota.com) Membership
fee.
SWEAT LODGE PREPARATION & PROTOCOL
CLOTHES - it is traditional to wear clothing during the ceremony. Men
usually wear shorts and women traditionally wear a cotton shift or
something appropriately modest. Shoes are not worn inside the Lodge.
Jewelry generally is not worn due to the heat. It's a good idea to
bring a towel to sit on while inside the Lodge. Showers or hoses may be
available after the ceremony.
Your help in covering the Lodge with blankets and then uncovering the
Lodge after the ceremony is greatly appreciated.
Part of the Purification Ceremony is the meal afterwards; it is
traditional for those attending to bring food to share and to help set
up and clean up after the feast.
While walking around the grounds before the ceremony, please do not
walk between the fire and the Lodge.
You are welcome to participate in the Songs and Ceremonies that are
experienced in this sacred ceremony. However, please be aware that
these Songs and Ceremonies belong to this Lodge and should stay with
this Lodge. Please do not take them elsewhere.
Women who are on their moontime (menstrual cycle) cannot enter the
Lodge. Please seek out one of the women and ask her to explain. Women
who are on their moontime are also asked to stand far back from the
fire, the Lodge area, and any Medicine or Ceremonial objects.
In these ways it is customary to help the leader of the ceremony (the
water pourer) cover any expenses that may have been incurred or help
him/her on their journey. One gives what one considers or perceives is
the value of what one receives from the ceremony; but there is never a
charge for ceremonies.
Donations of wood or blankets are always appreciated.
If you have any questions about what you see, please don't hesitate to
ask someone. You may notice several people tending the fire. These are
"fire keepers" and may help answer any questions you may have. If you
are a first time visitor, there will be an individual who will greet
you and you may ask questions of this person as well.
Enota Mountain Retreat
1000 Highway 180
Hiawassee Georgia 30546
1-800-990-8869
www.enota.com
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edit on title of thread - k
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Gary Adler Fourstar strikes me as a borderline person. I don't know if he really is Ohlone and Assiniboine, but at least one of the groups he associates with is questionable.
The XAT Medicine Society he's part of is listed alongside the Bear Tribe and Michael Harner's bunch as selling how2B NDN workshops.
http://www.skepticfiles.org/mys4/shamanra.htm
I notice one of the elders he name drops is Corbin Harney. Harney is as good a man as they come, but he's willing to work with twinks. My guess is Adler may be along that line himself, not a fraud ir ceremony seller but willing to pander to twinks with his workshops.
I just think offering a how to workshop for sweats is always asking for trouble.
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I used to know some Assiniboine Four Stars. But that doesn't mean that guy is one of them. The whole think reeks. How could a good person allow themselves to do this for twinks? :(
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Could you elaborate, "the whole thing reeks" and what are twinks. Ive met Gary and I think he is a used carsalesman that doesnt want to work.
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Eagle, There are many explanations of the term "Twink" or "Twinkie" on the Internet. Here is only one site. Basically they are essentially the same, some more elaborate in explanation. http://www.geocities.com/planettwinkie/Whatls.html frederica
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Are twinks gays. Couldnt someone just tell me! I would like to know more about Gary Fourstar. There was a mysterious fire at his home recently. A motorhome burned in his driveway.
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Twinkie= a wannabe generally someone who has a fantasy notion about Indians. Are they gay? Some are no doub t, but this term is not a sexual reference of any kind.
As for my statement that it reeks. Well, gee, it stinksd. Smells like something phony to me. Just my opinion.
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Looking for info on Gary Four Star, I found he makes several claims to be the CEO of The United Tribal Alliance. Well here's their webpage, what do you think?
http://www.theuta.org/
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I found this about Fourstar:
"Gary has been designated as Treaties Chief by the United Tribal Alliance, as a spiritual advisor to Native Americans in State Prisons in Tennessee, Georgia, California and Alabama by the XAT medicine society . "
I had friends who were involved with XAT Medicine Society. They turned their backs on it when it got pretty nuagey.
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gary adler fourstar .. and UTA ..
http://www.manyhorses.org/
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http://maorinews.com/scams/kohuiarau.htm
11 April 2001
For some time now we have been researching the existence of the shadowy United Tribal Alliance that Mary Forbes has been quoting as the source of future funding for Kohuiarau. Our sources among the Native Americans have advised that they had not heard of it, and that it would almost certainly be a scam.
UTA now has a website at http://www.theuta.com
If you look at http://www.theuta.com/Pages/trade.html you will see that they repeat the Kohuiarau fabricated history. A close look at their other claims strongly indicates a fraudulent organisation.
In this document http://www.theuta.com/Images/treaties/doc1.jpg the demented James Ngatoa, self-styled Taiopuru of Kohuiarau, claims direct genealogical lines back to the Greek, Alexander the Great.
In this one http://www.theuta.com/Images/treaties/doc3.jpg he claims Kohuiarau linkage with the great Genghis Khan and the Emperors of China.
http://www.theuta.com/Images/treaties/doc4.jpg for more of the same - England, France, Morocco, Tahiti, Tonga, Afghanistan
http://www.theuta.com/Images/treaties/doc5.jpg for the fabricated GAT trade agreement.
http://www.theuta.com/Pages/treatie.html these fabulous documents go on and on.
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SWEAT LODGE FACILITATORS
Gary Adler FourStar is currently the President of the Many Horses Foundation (www.manyhorses.org) an organization dedicated to the elders, the children, the earth, wild horses and earth cultures and teachings.
Gary is an enrolled member of the Costanoan-Rumsen Carmel Tribe (Ohlone), and the son of Jerome FourStar, an Assiniboine Elder from the Fort Peck Reservation in Montana. He was adopted out at birth and raised in California. Gary has been fortunate to have lived, studied and worked with many Elders of several nations throughout the United States and Canada, as well as with his father, Jerome. Gary is recognized as a ceremonial leader, spiritual advisor, healer and teacher throughout the country.
Gary conducts seminars and experiential workshops on creating balance and relationships through the Earth People's perspective. He is a Lodge Keeper, Sun Dancer and Pipe Holder. He is part of, and actively participates in the Native American Elders and Youth Council of North America. He helped organize and participated in leading the SOS (Save Our Sovereignty) walk in California in 1998 with Spiritual Leader Robert John Knapp. He has lectured throughout the U.S. including the Universities of Santa Barbara, UCLA, University of LaVerne, Georgia Southern University and at USC.
Gary has been designated as Treaties Chief by the United Tribal Alliance, as a spiritual advisor to Native Americans in State Prisons in Tennessee, Georgia, California and Alabama by the XAT medicine society. He has worked with the California Native American Spiritual Commission, bringing ceremony and counseling to Native American prisoners in State and Federal correctional facilities and with the California Youth Authority. Formerly, he was Project Director and co-creator of the International Wilderness Leadership Foundation's TOUCH THE EARTH program, co-founded the Flowering Tree Foundation, and was Executive Director of the International Society for the Protection of Wild Mustangs and Burros.
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http://www.costanoanrumsen.org/
web site for the tribe he is an “enrolled member of???
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in his two web sites .. (manyhorses and theuta) he lists, in his bio, quite a few orgs that he claims to be affiliated with ..
as far as i could find .. the following orgs do not exist, at least there is no internet references to them .. ..
Native American Elders and Youth Council of North America
California Native American Spiritual Commission
Flowering Tree Foundation
International Society for the Protection of Wild Mustangs and Burros
in the rest of the organizations he lists as being an organizer, director and/or participant of .. none of them have him listed as being part of their orgs ..
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Tachia, could you explain for us what Kohuiarau and Taiopuru mean?
James Ngotoa sounds very much like the Cherokee "Emperor" many of us are familar with, but do you have any other links on him?
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both words are Maori.. the best defining source i came up with was this one ..
source: http://www.digitalus.co.nz/mokomokai/kohuiarau.html
Kohuiarau: While the Maori name for the UNITED TRIBES is often spelt KO HUIARAU, it is correctly KOHUIAROA or KOHUIARAU, both of which can be defined as a gathering at large and a gathering who are tied together.
as far as i can discern .. Taiopuru: from what i could discern, indicates some sort of hereditary lineage of headman or chief .. ..
i am not very familiar with the Maori .. the Maori kept coming up in the research on UTA .. with UTA being called a scam by the Maori .. .. so i included that info .. the info i included is from a scam alert in the archives of the Maori news online: http://maorinews.com/karere/ .. from 2001 .. http://maorinews.com/scams/ .. titled: Ko Huiarau cult .. ..
i just thought it important to note that as far back as 2001 and as far away as NZ .. there have been problems and apparent scams naming the UTA .. the “ko huiarau cult??? and the UTA are linked repeatedly .. and the “ko huiarau cult??? is/was? a pretty big problem in NZ, and the Maori people seem adamant about fighting this “cult??? .. here is another website dealing with it: http://maorinews.com/putatara/puta_037.htm
i cannot find anything more recent than 2001 so apparently the Maori have solved this particular “problem??? .. ..
as far as James Ngotoa .. i could not find anything on him other than as is mentioned .. that he is “demented??? etc .. and the links from that article do not work as “theuta.com, became theuta.org ..
hope this helps and sorry if including that bit about the Maori caused any confusion .. ..
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When I click in the uta links to read , it says the the uta.com domain is for sale. The UTA site has no names, no phone numbers no address. I emailed the president and have yet to recieve a response. I cant find very much about the united tribal alliance on the web.
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Gary Adler Fourstar claims he part of and actively participates in the Native american elders and youth council of north america. I cannot find any such organazation. I contacted the Office for American indian, Alaskan Native and Native Hawaiian Programs, in Washington DC.They have not heard of any such organazation.
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Most likely fantasies in his head. Kinda like Lynn Andrewes claims about the "Sisterhood of the Sheilds."
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Violet Gail Eldridge is the president of the United Tribal Alliance. She said that Gary Fourstar has been designated treaties cheif.
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Hello All,
I am a new member and was just browsing through the posts when 2 names I am familiar with jumped out. My husband is lakota from standing rock rez although we do not live there right now.
Sometime ago we had 2 young ladies approach us about Gary Adler Fourstar and his authenticity. We cannot speak on anothers spirituality but my husband did know some Fourstars and contacted them. It seems that this man was made a relative through hunka ceremony by the elder Fourstar, the one he claims as father but carries no blood from that family or any other that they know of. The family said they are aware of some of this guys activities but cannot "undo" that which their father did. Only he can do that and he is walking with the spirits.
The other name is Tamira Madison aka T.S. Running Wolf aka Walks with Thunder. I have had many people ask me about this woman and her military background. Because of this interest I contacted the POW Frauds site to verify their methods for myself. This group is very thorough and would not risk prosecution from printing libelist remarks. They have access to a great many federal sources who while perhaps couldnt give pertinent info could at least verify military duty. According to them no one by any of the above names has ever served in any capacity in any branch of the military.
We have a son that was recently discharged from the armed forces having fulfilled his enlistment. While deployed he could not even tell us where he would be because of the "sensitivity" of the assignment but his military enlistment could always be verified. As for records burning up how do people get their VA benefits if all records are destroyed? There must be another way to establish service, another archive, something, right?
I hope this info helps in some way.
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Type "Violet Gail Eldridge" in your google search bar. There are several articles from the SEC. She was involved in a scam that bilked millions from investers.
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sapa, thank you for your information. This helps.
listening eagle, wow! You found good info! Thanks!
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Sapa, She could gain entrance to any VA with a DD-214 or any for of discharge paper. That is if she chose to use a VA instead of IHS. The DD-214 has most information as far as AFSC and where served. Some times you have to look at Ribbons awarded. It's the personnel records that no one can find. I doubt if her's were burned. The Mart Building burned a long time ago before her time, and it was mostly Army records. She should have a DD-214 in her possession if discharged from the Air Force. On one Fla website it claims POW status, but who ever was speaking for her on her stated it was her Unit, and she was not with them. Also, states she was assigned to 459th Congressional Wing Air One(special assignment). That is Andrews AFB. Use to be where they kept Air Force One. Also, the person speaking for her stated her records were sealed. But you still should be able to verify Military Service. I doubt if she will produce her DD-214. If the website that investigates fraud on the CMH and POW status cannot find anything, I would lean to their findings. frederica
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One of the foundations on Gary Adlers Many Horses website indicated that he did work for them briefly, they were glad when he left, he did absolutely nothing for the foundation, he still owes them a 1000.00 dollars for a horse he bought but never paid for. Quote " he is bad energy"
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This is out rageous. How can someone sell the sacred lodge? ::) I don't understand this. Do these people get a "your now an official Shaman" certificate when they are done? My grandfather would roll over in his grave if he saw me doing something like what these people are doing. This is so obsurd! Thank god for this forum, as a way to tell people...
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Glad this site is back online. Gary Fourstar states that he is an enrolled member of the Costanoan Rumsen Carmel Tribe of California. I found some intersting articles, Google , The jackpot casino carmel tribe. The short story is their PR firm, threatened to sue the Catholic Mission for recongnition. As someone postedearlier, I find it strange that Gary adler Fourstar is an enrolled member of this tribe and not Jerome Fourstars, Garys fathers tribe. Also Gary States in the present tense that he is the son of Jerome Fourstar and was adopted out at birth. This would lead one to believe he is the biological son of Jerome Fourstar and adopted away from Jerome Fourstar. I find this very mis leading or a downright lie.
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What I remember his father was from Ft. Peck in Montana (Assiniboine), but cannot recall him ever giving his adopted parents name or Nation.
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hi my name is angelo
i found a site
indianerpfad
they have a sundance in germany also new age sweatlodges and all kind off new age stuff
they wanna build up a new sundance 20008 but its secret ,
you have to go and speak personal before you can get any informations .
but anyway its under indianerpfad
and the man behind is christian vogel it seems to be a lakota sundance
leadet by white people
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According to Carl Fourstar, the son of Jerome, Gary Adler was made a hunka relative many years ago by Jerome. The family is aware of his doings but their hands are tied.They cannot unadopt him as only the late Jerome can do that. He did sundance with the family many years ago but apparently things have changed from then to now. Additionally if you would contact the tribal office you will find he is not an enrollee. He lives in Woodstock Ga and screens the potential participants in his classes and lodges.
Sapa
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Angelo,
Went to the site and surfed around. They did have a sundance 2007 and intend to have one 2008. From photos provided it appears to be mainly women. I will email them as to their intercessor and by whose authority they do this. Let ya know if I hear anything. Interesting sidebar, it seems their grounds and tree were vandalized after last dance by known people from within.....
Sapa
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i take another look on the indianerpfad site and found out u also can get a education there
to run a visionquest .and sweats
hi my name is angelo
i found a site
indianerpfad
they have a sundance in germany also new age sweatlodges and all kind off new age stuff
they wanna build up a new sundance 20008 but its secret ,
you have to go and speak personal before you can get any informations .
but anyway its under indianerpfad
and the man behind is christian vogel it seems to be a lakota sundance
leadet by white people
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hi again
this christian vogel
call himself a heyoka and his shamanic roots coming from the lame deer family and from don augustin rivas in peru.
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Normally I would never bring up the actions of someone deceased. But with the claims being put out about him, I'm forced to.
Angelo, the late Archie Lame Deer was a ceremony seller in Germany for the last years of his life. Rivas I believe has also been discussed in here as less than reputable. I believe he's not NDN.
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thanx for information but i think those people gave themself the rigths to run a sundance
i meet archie fire lame deer and he never give out permission to run sundances by white people.
i dunno the other guy don ....
so anyway its sad to see this happen.
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Rivas was at one time was offering $3000 Ayahunsca trips in the Amazon, did a visit to Texas, not sure about if he toured Europe. He would have no affillation to a Sun Dance.
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http://www.manyhorses.org/
Walk for Water (Italy)
Walking The Red Road
Of all the paths to Spirit, the traditional ways of our native peoples of the continent feel most right to many of us who were born on and nurtured by this land. We sense a wisdom in the earth, messages in the winds blowing from the four directions. We seek for ourselves the knowing of the ones who have listened for thousands of years to the Mother Earth and the Great Mystery.
Gary Adler FourStar is an enrolled member of the Costanoan-Rumsen Ohlone tribe of California and is of Assiniboine lineage through his father, Jerome FourStar. He is an interpreter, a teacher and a guide in these traditional ways. He began his work in earnest almost forty years ago, drawn to the wisdom of many Elders and respected teachers from many tribal nations.
Living now in Georgia, Gary conducts seminars, lectures, leads ceremony and facilitates healing work throughout the United States. He has been working with people both individually and in groups. A grandfather, he brings his years of experience to those seeking to know themselves, to know Creator, and to walk in balance through good relationship with the Great Circle of Life.
Gary Adler FourStar is currently the CEO of the Many Horses Foundation, an organization dedicated to the Elders, the children, the earth, wild horses and our earth cultures and teachings.
He is a member and Treaties Chief of the United Tribal Alliance which is dedicated to the sovereignty of indigenous people and the unification of all indigenous tribal peoples throughout the world. He has committed his life to the creation of working communities in right relationship through the Natural and Spiritual laws given to all peoples in their original instructions.
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The Many Horses Foundation Perpetuates and Teaches Earth People's Perspective of Living Through Right Relationship With All Living Things.
Gary Adler FourStar is currently the CEO of the Many Horses Foundation, an organization dedicated to the elders, the children, the earth, wild horses and earth cultures and teachings.
Gary is an enrolled member of the Costanoan-Rumsen Carmel Tribe (Ohlone), and the son of Jerome FourStar, an Assiniboine Elder from the Fort Peck Reservation in Montana. He was adopted out at birth and raised in California. Gary has been fortunate to have lived, studied and worked with many Elders of several nations throughout the United States and Canada, as well as with his father, Jerome. Gary is recognized as a ceremonial leader, spiritual advisor, healer and teacher throughout the country. Gary conducts seminars and experiential workshops on creating balance and relationships through the Earth People's perspective.
He is a Lodge Keeper, Sun Dancer and Pipe Holder. He has brought back the Animal Spirit Dance to the Southeast and western United States. He is part of, and actively participates in the Native American Institute and Traditional Circle of Indian Elders and Youth . He helped organize and participated in leading the SOS (Save Our Sovereignty) walk in California in 1998 with Spiritual Leader Robertjohn Knapp. He has lectured throughout the U.S. including the Universities of Santa Barbara, UCLA, University of LaVerne, Georgia Southern University and at USC.
Gary has been designated as Treaties Chief by the United Tribal Alliance, as a spiritual advisor to Native Americans in State Prisons in Tennessee, Georgia, California and Alabama by the XAT medicine society. He has worked with the California Native American Spiritual Commission, bringing ceremony and counseling to Native American prisoners in State and Federal correctional facilities and with the California Youth Authority. Formerly, he was Project Director and co-creator of the International Wilderness Leadership Foundation's TOUCH THE EARTH program, co-founded the Flowering Tree Foundation, and was Executive Director of the International Society for the Protection of Wild Mustangs and Burros.
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The MANY HORSES FOUNDATION is a 501(c) (3) organization dedicated to honoring and teaching Native American values and traditions concerning the Earth and the Natural World. The Foundation is
organizing a 10-day Walk For The Water here in Georgia. The Walk will start at the headwaters of the Chattahoochee River on May 30, 2008, and end on June 10th, 2008 in a traditional Native American
Ceremony in Atlanta, Ga.
Our mission is to increase awareness of our responsibility to the natural world and to water, which sustains all of life. We expect to bring focus to the need for water, water conservation and water purity. We can no longer simply stand by as we watch the effects of the recent drought.
We are asking Native American Elders from across the Nation to walk. We are asking all people, regardless of race, religion or ethnic background to walk with us. We walk for life, for the water and for
future generations. Dr Masaru Emoto, best-selling author of "The Hidden Messages In Water," is planning to come to Atlanta, Georgia for this event. His studies have illustrated how water responds to words and thoughts and how we can influence the healing of the water though our words and songs.
We are asking for support to assist us with the costs inherent in a Walk this size.
We feel that it is vital for Georgia to show its support of this effort. Without water, none of us can live. This Walk will provide our state with the opportunity to show support for its Native American People while also increasing the awareness of all Georgians to the plight of our water.
Any and all contributions will be accepted with gratitude.
To join our Walk For The Water or for additional information please contact Gary FourStar, Founder of Many Horses Foundation.
Thank You,
Debby Bullock FourStar
President Many Horses Foundation
www.manyhorses. org
www.walkforthewater .org
678-488-2575
http://link. brightcove. com/services/ link/bcpid909844 589/bctid9211169 24
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Here is some more information on him. It's in pieces but gives a nice broad picture of his doings over time. http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=138.0 http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1264.0 http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=273.0
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now this adopted person just got tv exposure as a authentic sweat lodge keeper
http://manyhorses.org/sweat_lodge.html
send your complaints and ask for a retraction
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?106
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2011/03/07/is.sweat.lodge.ceremony.insession?iref=allsearch
According to Carl Fourstar, the son of Jerome, Gary Adler was made a hunka relative many years ago by Jerome. The family is aware of his doings but their hands are tied.They cannot unadopt him as only the late Jerome can do that. He did sundance with the family many years ago but apparently things have changed from then to now. Additionally if you would contact the tribal office you will find he is not an enrollee. He lives in Woodstock Ga and screens the potential participants in his classes and lodges.
Read more: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=138.15#ixzz1FyTaW6nr
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Sent my complaints.
One question though. Even though he is questionable here, what about in a previous thread where what he did was considered fake?
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=138.0
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Just saw him on In Session. He took the non-Native TV hosts to a sweat, complete with a circle of non-Native men and women on a drum and plastic tarps on the lodge. Some of the feathers they filmed on the altars were wild turkey, but some looked like eagle feathers. (Or other feathers dyed to look like eagle feathers; it was hard to tell.) They got rained on. One of the TV hosts talked about how she thought her skin was melting.
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Sent my complaints.
One question though. Even though he is questionable here, what about in a previous thread where what he did was considered fake?
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=138.0
Just merged that thread into this one. I imagine with his volunteering to present ceremonies on television, via CCN and related networks, there will be some discussion.
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Just saw him on In Session. He took the non-Native TV hosts to a sweat, complete with a circle of non-Native men and women on a drum and plastic tarps on the lodge. Some of the feathers they filmed on the altars were wild turkey, but some looked like eagle feathers. (Or other feathers dyed to look like eagle feathers; it was hard to tell.) They got rained on. One of the TV hosts talked about how she thought her skin was melting.
Pics on facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/album.php?fbid=10150436599285693&id=114250430692&aid=634303¬if_t=like
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It looks like some actual members of the Fourstar family are posting on Facebook now (http://www.facebook.com/#!/album.php?fbid=10150436599285693&id=114250430692&aid=634303¬if_t=like). They are not happy with Gary Adler's claims, nor with his display of a plastic sweat by and for non-Natives... and for the cameras.
When Adler spoke on In Session, he kept referring to himself as Native. He looks a bit like Ward Churchill. But with a big beard.
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It looks like some actual members of the Fourstar family are posting on Facebook now (http://www.facebook.com/#!/album.php?fbid=10150436599285693&id=114250430692&aid=634303¬if_t=like). They are not happy with Gary Adler's claims, nor with his display of a plastic sweat by and for non-Natives... and for the cameras.
When Adler spoke on In Session, he kept referring to himself as Native. He looks a bit like Ward Churchill. But with a big beard.
Don't forget the stereotypical wise native voice he was having on the interview also.
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From James Ray thread:
I'm not sure if this goes here but
Gary Adler Fourstar is creating quite a hype on Facebook by using the Sedona tragedy to promote his wannabe sweat.
http://is.gd/TTXqWc
There’s already over 150 comments, almost all negative.
He conducted a sweat lodge ceremony for members of the CNN News crew and apparently they filmed it and broadcast it.
http://is.gd/MUx5Za
He claims to be an “enrolled member of the Costanoan-Rumsen Carmel Tribe (Ohlone), and the son of Jerome FourStar, an Assiniboine Elder from the Fort Peck Reservation in Montana”.
http://is.gd/mVtr59
Contact info to complain:
contact info for CNN:
+14048782276,
FAX: +14048271995
Call: 1-877-TELL-HLN
Twitter: @HLNTV
...E-mail: cnn.com/hln
Text: HLNTV (45688)
Rose
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And for those who've just arrived here, looking for info on "Gary Fourstar".
I'd like to quote one of our Lakota members on what adoption does and does not grant a person:
The adoption ceremonies of my people the Lakota/Dakota/Nakota are
called Hunka ceremonies.
I would like to explain a little about them.
What they are and what they are NOT.
The adoption ceremonies are a ceremonies to adopt an individual into a family.
When you lose a family member you have the right to adopt a member.
When you are close to a person for a long time you have the right to adopt
them as a member of your family.
This relationship is sarced.
The right as a Hunka relatived are to care for your new family as they care for you.
Now for what they are NOT.
There has never been a person who has been adopted into the Lakota or Dakota or Nakota
Nation. This has not happen in the past nor today.
The Lakota/Dakota/Nakota Nations are in North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Nebraska,
Minnesota, three Canadain States. in order for a person to be adopted into the nation
it would have to be OKed by all of the nations and bands. I can tell it has never happened.
What right the adoptees Do Not have:
They have No Rights to ceremonies,
They have NO Rights to our stories
They have NO Rights to medicine,
They have No Rights to inherit medicine men names,
They have No Right to names,
They have NO Right to speak for our nations
They have No Right to speak for our governments,
They Have No Rights to speak for the adopted families,
If a person claims to be adopted by the Lakota or Dakota or Nakota
If a person claim to be taught medicine by a Lakota or Dakota or Nakota
Beware
Adoption discussion: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1294.0
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Thank you for republishing that information.
There is a local White man who claims adoption and said he has done Sundances. I will certainly tell everyone where I live to come to this board about this topic.
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Gary Fourstar Sweatlodge CNN
11 Min. - 10. März 2011
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there is a videoclip on youtube and facebook all about sweatlodges
the name of this guy is garry fourstar
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Gary Adler Fourstar
Gary Adler FourStar, founder of the Many Horses Foundation, an organization dedicated to the elders, the children, the earth, saving wild and abandoned horses, earth cultures and teachings.
Gary is an enrolled member of the Costanoan-Rumsen Carmel Tribe (Ohlone), and the son of Jerome FourStar, an Assiniboine Elder from the Fort Peck Reservation in Montana. He was adopted out at birth and raised in California. Gary has been fortunate to have lived, studied and worked with many Elders of several nations throughout the United States and Canada, as well as with his father, Jerome. Gary is recognized as a ceremonial leader, spiritual advisor, healer and teacher throughout the country. Gary conducts seminars and experiential workshops on creating balance and relationships through the Earth People's perspective.
He is a Lodge Keeper, Sun Dancer and Pipe Holder. He has brought back the Animal Spirit Dance to the Southeast and western United States. He is part of, and actively participates in the American Indian Institute Traditional Circle of Indian Elders and Youth http://www.twocircles.org/aboutaii.html. He helped organize and participated in leading the SOS (Save Our Sovereignty) walk in California in 1998 with Spiritual Leader Robertjohn Knapp. He has lectured throughout the U.S. including the Universities of Santa Barbara, UCLA, University of LaVerne, Georgia Southern University, USC and Warren Wilson College in Asheville.
Gary served as a spiritual advisor to Native Americans in State Prisons in Tennessee, Georgia, California and Alabama by the XAT medicine society. He has worked with the California Native American Spiritual Commission, bringing ceremony and counseling to Native American prisoners in State and Federal correctional facilities and with the California Youth Authority. Formerly, he was Project Director and co-creator of the International Wilderness Leadership Foundation's TOUCH THE EARTH program, and co-founded the Flowering Tree Foundation.
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Many Native people and supporters have written TruTV, InSession, and CNN to tell them that their reporters were fooled, that Adler is not Native, has no rights to ceremonies, and that what he did was wrong.
All of the above are choosing to ignore protests and continue to promote the fraud.
Despite all the messages we have sent them, Adler is back on InSession today. It's sickening that they continue to give this guy a forum. If someone has thorough contact info for all of the above, please post it. I'll compile some, too. We need to stop this fraud.
On Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/InSession
http://www.facebook.com/truTV
On Twitter:
@InSession @CNN @truTV
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Youtube Gary Fourstars explaining to CNN Researchers what a Lodge is.
They experience his Sweatlodge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSAcJs91wFI
Direct contact via Twitter:
@InSession @CNN @TruTV
ON Twitter, follow and comment on InSession at
http://twitter.com/#!/insession (Copy paste the whole URL)
ON Twitter Vinnie Politan HOST, follow and comment at
http://twitter.com/#!/vinniepolitan (Copy paste the whole URL)
ON CNN this is the Form you would use to report the Adler Info as an "Error"
Type of error: (Wrong information, editorial slant, information left out, etc.)
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form6.html?1
Various places to contact CNN via their Forms
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/
Contact INSesion online via this form
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5c.html?33
InSession has a Face Book page
http://www.facebook.com/InSession
TruTV Face Book page
http://www.facebook.com/truTV
http://www.FAIR.org Challenges Media Bias & Censorship.
These are their media links, save for future use.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111
""FAIR wants to hear about your media activism. Please send copies of your letters to journalists to
FAIR 104 W. 27th St. 10th Floor New York, NY 10001 e-mail fair@fair.org """"
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#racism!!!
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#JamesRay
making additions as I go along here....
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A petition just went up: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/sacredceremonies/
Though I am supporting the petition, and signed it, I am encouraging people to note in their comments that what Adler did is NOT a traditional ceremony. It was a sham. A mockery. Offensive to perform and offensive to broadcast as "traditional". A bunch of non-Natives chanting vocables in a plastic tent is NOT a "Native American Ceremony."
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i wish to make a point of true reference
when it is found out that some one is a fraud and is using a aliases as a name, would it not be prudent to no longer refer to that person by the aliases
to keep using the aliases is to support the fraud, or at least there claims
Gary Adler aka "fourstar" should be charged with conspiracy to defraud, fraud, miss representation, endangering the public, tax evasion , possession of untagged pelts, feathers
natives need to step this up to the point of public charges against these frauds,
Fake Catholic priest accused of $2.7M fraud that includes Florida developers
Fake Rabbi, Jerry Heller guilty of fraud,sentenced to repay $30K, previously guilty of criminal impersonation, fired for affair with congregant
it is time to haul these phoneys in to a court and expose them for what there are
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i totally agree dabosijigwokush.. totally agree.
it would expose them, force them to pay fines and restitution
and, would give those thinking about doing this a second thought!
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I know for a fact that Gary Adler took advantage of someone while they were in a very vulnerable time in their life, going through a divorce. He took thier money, lots of it, and refused to give it back when they ask for it. He literally had this person brainwashed . When they got into financial trouble I started doing research on Gary Adler. One organization he claimed to have worked for stated he did work for them briefly, did absolutlely nothing for the organization, he took a horse and never paid for it. That would make Gary Adler a common horse thief. Im so glad the truth is finally coming to light about Gary Adler.
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So he's back at it in Southwest Colorado, this time holding sweat lodge at a permaculture convergence for white people: https://www.facebook.com/events/470683816468320/
I still haven't sorted everything out about this guy, so was wondering if any conclusions about him had been reached here. Here's one comment I came across:
"It would seem that Gary Fourstar is not who he claims to be, check with the enrollment office. It would also seem that David Singing Bear, on the witness list for Rays' trial, is not who he claims to be. Hey, CNN reporters, do some checking around, don't take their word for who or what they are. Check with tribal enrollment offices, do some background work on these people, do some real investigative reporting. Gary claims he is part of and participates in the Native American Elders and Youth Council of North America. I have contacted the Office for American Indian, Alaskan Native and Native Hawaiian Programs, in Washington DC.They have not heard of any such organization. Jerome Fourstar is not Garys' father, he was not adopted away from him. Ask Carl Fourstar, Jeromes' son about Gary."
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/02/sweat-lodge-trial-fuels-native-american-frustrations/comment-page-12/
and a fb thread about one of Gary's sweats in which native folks speak out (see comments) https://www.facebook.com/ChristiPaulHLN/posts/10150114605319471
you ready to be disgusted? check out the "animal spirit dance": http://www.manyhorses.org/
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I still haven't sorted everything out about this guy, so was wondering if any conclusions about him had been reached here.
Yes. To sum up the four pages of posts here, as well as the discussions on facebook, phone and in person:
Gary Adler is not Native and has no right to lead ceremonies.
Gary Adler is a white guy who did what a lot of frauds do: He was kind to an old man, an elderly member of the Four Star family who, out of kindness, made him a relative. Even if Adler had remained a relative in good standing, this does not give him any rights to ceremonies. It only gave him the right to take care of the man who made him a relative, who is now dead (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1294.0). Gary Adler betrayed the old man's kindness by going out and selling ceremonies to white people.
Gary Adler was not trained as a ceremonial leader. But like most white people who are allowed to be guests at some Native ceremonies, he thought he'd seen enough to go lead them himself. This would have never flown with Indians, so he went and sold these fragments to non-Natives. He may have witnessed some outer forms while with the Four Star family, but he never learned all the things that make the ceremonies work, all the things that need to be done for them to be safe and effective. He never learned the full protocols. He was not trained as a ceremonial person. What we saw him do on CNN confirmed that, and he did things for the cameras that will probably result in him harming people physically, and I believe he has already harmed people spiritually.
The Four Stars family want him to stop using the Four Stars name. They have asked and he has ignored them. None of the living members of the Four Stars family claim him as a relative. He is exploiting the people who were kind to him. He is doing things he has been asked to stop. He doesn't care. He likes the ego boo and money he gets from playing Indian for the white people who don't know how to spot fraud.
Gary Adler doesn't give a damn about Indians. He doesn't give a damn about the family whose name he stole. And he doesn't give a damn about the spiritual wellbeing of the people he sells his fake, dangerous ceremonies to. He got what he wanted in his brief tourism in Indian Country and now he's back in the white world as a pretendian fraud, spreading harm. He took the money and ran. Now he's running to your neighborhood. Will you step up and stop him?
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They are (unsurprisingly) evading my inquiries as to which cultural tradition this sweat lodge they are holding at the Four Corners Permaculture Convergence 2016 is in. I would appreciate it if other folks could chime in, particularly those with cultural ownership of such traditions, knowledge of protocol, etc. See event page comment section. Thank you. https://www.facebook.com/events/470683816468320/
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LOL they changed his bio from "Metis Elder" to straight up "Indigenous Elder". FFS
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"The Four Stars family want him to stop using the Four Stars name. They have asked and he has ignored them. None of the living members of the Four Stars family claim him as a relative."
and (with regards to fb link to permaculture fest w/sweatlodge) all other problems with his navigation of adoption protocol aside, now his partner (i am assuming), Debby, is using the name? https://www.facebook.com/debby.fourstar