Johnny Moses

[debbieredbear]

Well, that explains it is the wiccans have taken over things. They run things according to their beliefs, which is mix and match. And the last I heard, Johnny was still drinking hard.

[educatedindian]

The flyer Carl gave me was from 1999. It does say he's a "Nootka shaman" and gives a price of 60 bucks for a "how to find inner peace" ceremony. So it seems his group has gone through quite a few changes.

[niska]

What about this guy. I met him in the Seattle area and on the Swinomish rez at LaConner and have listened to him in his "Red Cedar Circles" which were attended by people of all colors.

From what I've seen about him on the net he is supposedly respected by his own people, however he is doing a lot of selling.

Have a look at these:

http://www.johnnymoses.com/

http://www.redcedarcircle.org/

http://www.sisiwiss.org/

johnny is a true native and yes resides on the reserve and grew up with natives and is tru to his people.. he is a good mentor to natives..dang if an ndn cannot share a story or two.. anyone would want to call them out and shut them down for speaking their minds.. actually johnny is a good friend of mine..lmao he only lives 17 miles from me...

[niska]

Jim,

I have heard much of the same thing. The times I have met him, he seemed good hearted. He did not seem like he was trying to do wrong. Then last year I heard that he was in a bad way. The person that told me is both Smokehouse and Shaker and her belief, and that of many others, is that he abused the medicine and is paying the price. Sad really as he is a gifted storyteller.

hi their deb nice to meet you.. if anything smoke house and all shaker is all not to be talked of.. you know what I am saying.. its totally different from the regular pow-wow seen and such.. they do not have an open door to those.. its via invitation only.. as for what you been saying people in these forums need to understand.. certain traditions are still as sacred and never to be published.. its bad anough all the other most traditions are being at its best use of none-natives..

oseum hoyt!!

[debbieredbear]

I actually saw Johnny at Vi Hilbert's funeral. I tink maybe he has straightened up. I hope so. I like him. He is distantly related to my husband. Vi was my husband's close cousin. Her dad and my husband's grandpa were brothers. I didn't speak with Johnny, just saw him when he stood to sing. But he looked like he was doing better.

[niska]

I actually saw Johnny at Vi Hilbert's funeral. I tink maybe he has straightened up. I hope so. I like him. He is distantly related to my husband. Vi was my husband's close cousin. Her dad and my husband's grandpa were brothers. I didn't speak with Johnny, just saw him when he stood to sing. But he looked like he was doing better.

vi was a wonder lushootseed teacher.. and by her passing everyone felt it!! and as for johnny and what he does is we can only pray for healing to him.. if its true or not? but on other matters.. please email me.... its wonderful to see people here in this forum in the area of washington state!! funny thing is the world is small when you know peoples of the northwest!! also people pull together more at gatherings and are always in with culture!!

[Epiphany]

Johnny Moses thread also over in Frauds http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=256.0 Hopefully all is well with him now, anyone have updates?

[Old Member]

Johnny Moses is firstly, not Nu Chal Nulth, he is Nook Sack. He claimed he was Nu Chal nulth for many years, and found out through his living family what tribe he really is.  Johnny Moses, phenomenal storyteller and culture bearer ( seen him be approved my elder culture bearers) fell hard into a life of addiction... and then continued to try to teach and carry on in the old medicine ways while being not 'of the right way' to do so. His life of addiction had become so well known by the local tribes of the Seattle area where he lived most of his life, they do not have anything to do with him. ( The story he continues to tell is that he was raised in a village on a remote island in Canada is completely false, he was raised for the most part in Seattle by his great Aunt).  He has convinced plenty of non NDN folks all is well, and gets the support of non NDN to keep on teaching and sharing as a full blown drug addict.  Not the teachings of our people...and he'll say anything to get that almighty dollar to get what he really wants...

[Sparks]

Johnny Moses thread also over in Frauds http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=256.0

That thread (Johnny Moses "Nootka shaman") has five posts from 2005, and then one in 2016.

I suggest these two threads be merged. (Perhaps not in "Frauds"?)

[Sparks]

There is an older thread about Johnny Moses in "Research Needed":

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=105.0

Lots of comments and some (still working) links there, from 2005 to 2009.

I suggest these two threads be merged. (Perhaps not here in "Frauds"?)

[Stiqayu]

https://www.academia.edu/9603708/Cultural_Destruction_and_Preservation_Johnny_Whis.Stem.Men.Knee_Moses_and_Coastal_Salish_Oral_Literature

This is a good read on who Jhonny Moses
Seems like a very fair paper about him and his career

[Stiqayu]

I see Flyers online for Love Offerings
Suggested Donations and him on flyers as Master Shaman and Healer

I know two people paid 10k
For Naming Ceremony by him and he gave his ancestors names they are non native people. Sad this man has many followers or aka friends that all have thier own Red Cedar Circles where they now have followers. Just Google it. they are all over social media
 or email him your self ask for his fees.

[Sparks]

https://www.academia.edu/9603708/Cultural_Destruction_and_Preservation_Johnny_Whis.Stem.Men.Knee_Moses_and_Coastal_Salish_Oral_Literature

This is a good read on who Jhonny Moses
Seems like a very fair paper about him and his career

Cultural Destruction and Preservation: Johnny Whis.Stem.Men.Knee Moses and Coastal Salish Oral Literature
Darius M Klein
This paper examines the history and background of Coastal Salish oral literature and the work of Native American storyteller Johnny Whis.Stem.Men.Knee Moses.  The paper discusses the state of preservation of the Salishan languages in the Puget Sound region, particularly Lushootseed and Samish.  The paper analyzes two of Moses' storytelling performances, one of which was given in Lushootseed and English, the other in Samish and English.  An attempt to describe and analyze Puget Salish poetics is made, along with a comparison to Albert Lord's analysis of Serbian epic poetry in The Singer of Tales.  The paper concludes that the effects of the genocide of Native Americans have resulted in a paucity of materials from which the researcher can draw conclusions concerning Coastal Salish poetics and oral literature.  This recognition of this paucity should act as an impetus for future researchers to document and archive Native American languages and oral literatures.

[Sparks]

Johnny Moses thread also over in Frauds http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=256.0

That thread (Johnny Moses "Nootka shaman") has five posts from 2005, and then one in 2016.
I suggest these two threads be merged. (Perhaps not in "Frauds"?)

That thread has been merged into the present one:

There is an older thread about Johnny Moses in "Research Needed":
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=105.0
Lots of comments and some (still working) links there, from 2005 to 2009.
I suggest these two threads be merged. (Perhaps not here in "Frauds"?)

[Stiqayu]

Cultural Destruction and Preservation: Johnny Whis.Stem.Men.Knee Moses and Coastal Salish Oral Literature Darius M Klein

The paper says he might know a few languages but his Lushootseed is jumbled and his claims to others could be delusional. He is often horribly high off illegal substances and has a students that enable him. Thier is no proof of all his claims of how he grew up, if you pay attention his story often changes just on his YouTubes the hypocrisy self admitted but it's clear the man is unwell. And he is held with high regard by people like himself or more damaged.