I realize this topic was moved to "research needed" but I got the goods on this fake...
This Walter Renz has been online claiming that he is "Chief Gray Cloud Longtail" and that he is from the Black Bob Band of Shawnees, that his ancestor is Henry Longtail and that Henry was a "blood chief" who was told by the US government not to go to Oklahoma but to go and make a "new tribe" and so he went to Ohio and made a tribe called "Morning Star Shawnee" he also claims the US government changed the Longtail name to Wallen....
I am so freaking angry with this flake it is not funny...
Here are the facts of this...
My great grandmother is Anna Longtail, her brother was Abraham Longtail aka Jake, now Jake is the father of Henry... and I know for a fact none of them are "cheifs" and there aint no such thing as a "blood chief" futher, they lived in Oklahoma and not in Ohio... this side show freak Renz has made up dates for their births and their deaths... I know where Jake and Henry are buried, and it aint in Ohio..
How far are these fakes willing to go? They are trying to steal our ancestors names and put funky stories with it to try to make it look legit.
Everyone should do checks on their ancestors names, just google them.. and see if your family is under attack as well..
These frauds will stop at nothing, they are disrespecting our ancestors, and they dont give a dayum about it...
These kind of people need some serious professional help...
More research on who the original "Longtails" are and since you are a "Longtail", you are originally Erie and were adopted into the Seneca Nation, therefore making the Longtails, Seneca according to our Great Law. :
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:lSh1pDggOuAJ:www.dickshovel.com/erie.html+Longtail+Erie+indian&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=caErie is a short form of the Iroquian word "Erielhonan" meaning literally "long tail"" and referring to the panther (cougar or mountain lion). Hence their French name was Nation du Chat (cat nation). Their other Iroquoian names - Awenrehronon and Rhilerrhonon (Rhierrhonon) - carry the same meaning, although the Huron muddied the situation by using Yenresh (panther people) for both the Erie and Neutrals. Other names which seem to have been used for the Erie were: Atirhagenret, Chat (French), Gaquagaono, Kahqua (Kahkwa) (Seneca), Rhagenratka, and Black Mingua (Dutch).
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:Oyf5zu6a8usJ:arbpoet.vox.com/library/post/the-erie-indians.html+Longtail+Erie+indian&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=caThe French called the Erie Indians “The Nation of Cat” because of the cat pelts the Erie Indians used to make blankets. The Erie Indians belonged to the Huron Iroquois branch. The name “Erie” is derived from the word Erielhonan, a word that means, “ long tail” in the language of the Iroquois.
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:4bO34HTyj34J:www.answers.com/topic/erie-indigenous-people-of-north-america+Longtail+Erie+indian&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=caErie (?r'?) , indigenous people of North America of the Iroquoian branch of the Hokan-Siouan linguistic stock (see Native American languages). In the Iroquoian language the word erie means “long tail” (i.e., cat), and, therefore, the Erie were referred to as the Cat Nation. In the 17th cent. they inhabited the region E and SE of Lake Erie in the present states of New York, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. They then numbered some 14,000. Although they were sedentary farmers of the Eastern Woodlands area, they exhibited some Southeastern cultural traits, such as the use of poisoned arrows and the building of palisaded villages. They were traditional enemies of the Iroquois Confederacy, and in 1656, after one of the most relentless and destructive Indian wars, the Erie were almost exterminated by the Iroquois. The surviving captives were either adopted or enslaved by the confederacy.
http://www.questia.com/library/encyclopedia/erie_indigenous_people_of_north_america.jspERIE, Indigenous People of North America
?r??, indigenous people of North America of the Iroquoian branch of the Hokan-Siouan linguistic stock (see Native American languages). In the Iroquoian language the word erie means "long tail" (i.e., cat), and, therefore, the Erie were referred to as the Cat Nation. In the 17th cent. they inhabited the region E and SE of Lake Erie in the present states of New York, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. They then numbered some 14,000. Although they were sedentary farmers of the Eastern Woodlands area, they exhibited some Southeastern cultural traits, such as the use of poisoned arrows and the building of palisaded villages. They were traditional enemies of the Iroquois Confederacy, and in 1656, after one of the most relentless and destructive Indian wars, the Erie were almost exterminated by the Iroquois. The surviving captives were either adopted or enslaved by the confederacy.
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:XMdWJiOBkx4J:www.austinburg.com/what_is_in_a_name.htm+Longtail+Erie+indian&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=caErie- After the Erie Indians, from the word meaning "Long Tail", referring to the wildcat. Known as the Cat Nation.
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:ECAli3SoqrYJ:www.mpaulkeeslerbooks.com/Chap2Name.htm+Longtail+Erie+indian&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=caErie as in Mountain Lion
Erie as in Erie Canal, Erie Street and Erie Boulevard were named after Lake Erie. Lake Erie was named after the Indian people who lived along the lake's southern shore---an area where mountain lions were abundant. The lions were called Erielhonan, meaning "long tail" and the Indians living there were called Erie or Cat Nation. In 1600 some 14,000 Eries lived in villages between what is now Buffalo, NY and Sandusky, Ohio. In 1656 they were almost exterminated by the Iroquois League. The surviving captives were either adopted or enslaved.
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:Z7zicidAB-IJ:en.allexperts.com/e/e/er/erie_(tribe).htm+Longtail+Erie+indian&cd=14&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=caErie (tribe)
The Erie (also Erielhonan, Eriez, Nation du Chat) were a prehistoric group of Native Americans, related to the Iroquois, who lived from western New York to northern Ohio on the south shore of Lake Erie. They were ultimately destroyed by the Iroquois, who adopted some of the survivors into their own group, these being primarily absorbed into the Senecas.
The names "Erie" and "Eriez" are shortenings of "Erielhonan," meaning "long tail." The Erielhonan were also called the "Cat" or the "Racoon" people. They lived in multi-family long houses in villages enclosed in palisades and grew the "Three Sisters"â€"corn, beans, and squashâ€"during the warm season. In the winter tribal members lived off the stored crops and animals taken in hunts.
Fur trade and Beaver Wars
In the competition in the fur trade, the Erie alienated the surrounding tribes by encroaching on their territories. They also angered their eastern neighbors, the League of the Iroquois, by accepting refugees from Huron villages that had been destroyed by the Iroquois. Though rumored to use poison tipped arrows, the Erie were disadvantaged in armed conflict by having few firearms (If the Erie used poison on their arrows, it would make them the only tribe in North America to do so). Beginning in the mid-1650s, the Erie and other tribes were in battle with their enemies, the Iroquois. As a result of this war, known as the Beaver Wars, the tribe no longer existed as a unit, but dispersed groups survived a few more decades before being absorbed into the Iroquois. It is said that some Erie fled to the Carolinas. Members of other tribes also claimed later to be descended from refugees of this defunct culture. There are also members of the Seneca people in Oklahoma who still claim to be descended from the Erie nation.
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:29VvJu9hDagJ:www.northallegheny.org/schools/mck/erie_indians.htm+Longtail+Erie+indian&cd=16&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=caErie is a short form of the Iroquian word "Erielhonan" meaning literally "long tail"" and referring to the panther (cougar or mountain lion). The Eries were also known also as the "cat" or "raccoon" The French name for them was Nation du Chat (cat nation).
The End of the Erie
By 1654 the Eries had also become a target of Iroquois raids, principally from the Seneca towns at the western end of the Five Nations territory. The Eries's location astride the Lake Erie plain put them in a position to block Iroquois efforts to reach rich hunting grounds in the Ohio Valley and thus made them an object of concerted Iroquois attack. Weakened by epidemics, including smallpox, in 1637 and again in 1639-41, and lacking the firearms acquired by the Iroquois from Dutch traders, the Eries succumbed to a series of onslaughts culminating in their dispersal in 1657.
Some Eries may have fled to the Carolina lowlands and formed the group known in the 1670s as Westos. One band is known to have remained in the Ohio Valley until 1680, when it finally surrendered to the Senecas. This band and other Erie captives were adopted by the Iroquois, and their descendants were among those Senecas who began to resettle in the upper Ohio Valley in the 1700’s.
