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General => Research Needed => Topic started by: Litsehimmel on April 09, 2013, 01:58:54 pm
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Autumn ...
Do you have any idea who the "Mayan" is who presented with her in the Crystal Ceremony?
YES!!! Found her *grin* The woman goes by the name Devatma Amaya, real name Lucia Amaya. Currently lives in the same province I do. I found her via a Dutch spiritual blog which described the Febr. 12 event in Zeist. Here's a vimeo of her http://vimeo.com/39396766 On Nov 11th 2011 she decided to meditate 11 days for 11 hours in a yurt in the Dutch province of Groningen. The same day she "decided" to become a buddhist monk, shaved her head and started wearing a white robe. Her personal motto is "The Earth is my witness". The story goes that, as a child she was found in the jungles of South America, more dead than alive, and therefor has a strong connection with nature. She has had several other near-death experiences and *drum roffle* is "a personal and close friend of Kiesha Crowther".
She's involved with Earth Matters and organizes a 4 day "survival course" this coming May. Is on FB https://www.facebook.com/devatma.hearttoheart and I found an old page http://www.rainbowgatherings.org/profile/LuciaAmaya where she still has hair. Seems she grew up in an orphanage in Bogota (Colombia).
I'll do some more research, but from what I've seen so far she is harmless and wishes nothing but good for mankind :-)
LH
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Thank you so much, Litsehimmel. In trying to identify "the Mayan" myself, I thought she looked familiar to a dark-haired woman pictured in some photos with LG at one of her other Holland events, but she looked shorter, so I didn't want to make any assumptions. I guess it was her after all.
Pretty harmless? I don't know. Since LG said she was a "Mayan" who had been protecting the crystal that she presented to LG at the Crystal Ceremony, there seems to be a lot of script writing (or lying) going on. Maybe the "script" could go like this: "As she was wandering in the jungles of South America, she found a crystal lying around and she knew she had to protect it. When they found her more dead than alive, she hung onto the crystal for dear life and they put her in an orphanage in Colombia. After she got out of the orphanage, still clinging to the crystal, she moved to Holland, where she met LG at one of her events and knew she had been protecting the crystal for her. It was then that she changed her appearance by shaving her head and donning white robes so that she could appear as a "Mayan" and bow low to LG to present a HUGE crystal to LG at her Crystal Ceremony (i.e., the crystal that they had purchased at a local Walmart or some such store as Holland has, maybe even an Aldi's)."
(Not sure where the Mayan heritage comes in. I, no doubt, am demonstrating my ignorance here, but aren't most Mayans in "Guatemala, Honduras, Belize, the southern part of Mexico and eastern parts of El Salvador" (according to Wikipedia)? Maybe someone else can help me writing a better script, or I can just wait for the next installment from LG.
I really appreciate all of your research, Litsehimmel. Sorry about all the "twinkies" that are your neighbors, though.
Kathryn, would you please split off all of this information and put it into the LG thread? Thanks!
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Could the info on Lucia Amaya also be given its own Research Needed thread - Autumn or Litsehimmel could either of you start one? Thanks! I think she is worthy of her own thread too.
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Hi,
I'm starting to have the feeling that this Lucia Amaya might be fraudulent by sheer companionship, i.o.w. is lured along by the people she hangs out with. As - sadly - is the case with most of these Dutch twinkies. As for my remark earlier that I thought I remembered she had made the news: she did. She was both the subject of a X-mas special in the Leeuwarder Courant (our 'national' Frisian newspaper; clarification: the Frisians are like the Basque people, meaning they're very different both culturally and even genetically from the Dutch) and part of a tv-program on people who voluntarily live a life without materialism. For example: she started several websites and a Hyves where stuff is simply donated to poor or needy people, without expecting anything in return.
Otoh, she has some other people following in her wake that seem, well, 'less' harmless. One example is 'Dancing Cloud' Steggerda, who seems to be - what I presume - an Indonesian woman who claims to have been taught by Twylah Nitsch, subject of one of your other topics : http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1046.msg5675;topicseen#msg5675
This Dancing Cloud woman gives 2-day workshops on working with medicine wheels based on Nitsche's Wolf Clan teachings, which she ends with a 'chanupa' ceremony. Pretty strange, ending so-called Seneca based teachings with a Lakota ceremony, but then again, what do I know ... Her facebook https://www.facebook.com/dancing.steggerda/friends links to some interesting people as well. White Spirit healing https://www.facebook.com/WhiteSpiritHealing offers medicine wheel readings as well.
I could go on and on. This country if rife with - often misguided - people who have been taught during a weekend by someone who has been taught during a weekend by someone who was ... etc etc etc more.
LH
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Close and personal friend of Kiesha Crowther/Little Grandmother. Also known as "The Mayan".
http://nl.linkedin.com/pub/lucia-amaya/40/219/335
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4039.0
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Christmas Special LC: Lucia lives in the woods
Published on December 21, 2012, 14:43 Last updated on 21 December 2012, 14:55
"I feel love for the people who beat me"
HEERENVEEN - She gets up with the sun and go to sleep with the animals in the forest. Buddhist nun and nomad Lucia Amaya lives in nature.
Saturday in the Leeuwarder Courant:
Here and there, including in Heerenveen, she has hidden huts. Since she gave most of her possessions, Lucia feels himself richer and more complete than ever.
But her path to enlightenment is a foundation of starvation and cruelty in her youth: she grew up in the orphanage in Bogota.
Compassionate: 'I feel love for the people who beat me.''
http://www.lc.nl/friesland/regio/article15510163.ece/Kerstspecial-LC%3A-Lucia-woont-in-het-bos-
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Ooo, Ooo, Ooo, I've got it! LG didn't mean to say "a Mayan" (which she did), when she introduced Devatma Amaya during the Crystal Ceremony. She meant to say Amaya! That crazy girl is always getting things mixed up!
But Ms. Amaya didn't straighten her out because she just played along, so I am not sure if that makes her a fraud or not, but it sure looks like "guilt by association".
Looks like she changes the color of her Buddhist nun robes, because they are white sometimes and rust-colored other times. Not sure what that means, if indeed it means anything at all. Does any of this stuff mean anything??
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White in buddhist clothing indicates a novice, or postulant. The color of the yellow/orange robes was chosen because dirt wouldn't show on it. As far as I have gathered from various sites, that is.
And I would like to stress again that I think she has been pulled along in the wake of LG, without any harmful intentions. Here's what she writes in an article on Earth Matters (http://www.earth-matters.nl/auteurs/95/devatma/)
The time that we had to follow gurus and masters has passed. Be your own master, your own shaman, be that powerful tree which nurtures and provides oxygen and love from your own beautiful love energy. Knowledge of fibonacci, sacred geometry, polar shifts, Atlantean awareness is all fine and good, but more importantly is "what we do with that knowledge". We have to do it NOW, right at this moment. A true spiritual being is somebody who grabs a toilet scrubber and cleans his neighbours toilet when he is unable to do so himself due to illness. That is something which all the books ever written just can't beat.
In my opinion she works purely from the heart, with all the right intentions. I usually have a fantastic BS-o-meter, but in this case the thing remains absolutely silent! She might not have corrected LG in what she said, but that also might have been out of pure consideration and not wanting to embarrass a friend in public. And we really don't know what she might have said in private.
I'll look further into her and her actions, but I really doubt anything will come up. So far she seems a generous, caring individual. Then again, I just could be wrong :o
LH
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She is working with a fraud that should be enough
i wonder why people are so needy they want to believe
all people who put on a show/education workshop are doing this
from the goodness of their heart.
A really buddist would not be out in workshop
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Amaya might be a survivor of past violence. If so, being anywhere near Kiesha Crowther isn't going to help her recovery at all, in fact she will be victimized further. Personally, I think Kiesha is a predator, Kiesha might be driven mostly by delusion, maybe mostly by con artistry (or both) but no matter what, she is bad news.
She is working with a fraud that should be enough
i wonder why people are so needy they want to believe
all people who put on a show/education workshop are doing this
from the goodness of their heart.
A really buddist would not be out in workshop
I learn from Earth's quote here, and agree.
I believe ultimately people need to be held accountable for their actions.
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White in buddhist clothing indicates a novice, or postulant. The color of the yellow/orange robes was chosen because dirt wouldn't show on it. As far as I have gathered from various sites, that is.
In most Hindu sects renunciate women and widows wear white, while male renunciates wear saffron (pale orange, but sometimes shades that veer to yellow or rust). Married men usually wear white.
Buddhism is not Hinduism, but we've seen Crowther vulture from Hinduism before and twist those beliefs to suit her scams.
What is perhaps most relevant is that in Hinduism "Maya" means "Illusion." It is seen as the degraded condition of the material world that spiritual people aim to become free of ;)
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This is what Lucia looked like on 9-4-11 (September 4, 2011) at one of LG's Holland events. She favored white even before she became a Buddhist nun.
http://www.heart4earth.nl/foto-gallerij/72157628548719889.html
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Is wearing white the norm for devotees of Kiesha Crowther? Especially at "ceremonies"?
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Is wearing white the norm for devotees of Kiesha Crowther? Especially at "ceremonies"?
Apparently!
This is a teachable moment, although it will not cost you anything. Why is it that KC/LG always seems to be asking for donations at her seminars (school, Buddhist nun, etc.)?
http://www.ashtarcommandcrew.net/profiles/blogs/kiesha-crowther-the-13-crystal-skulls
There was also another special special woman who was guiding Kiesha when she came in. I forgot her name but will find her name again eventually. > Drome remembered: Devatma Amaya. This woman survived as little child in the rainforests of a land I also forgot and came then to Holland for her living. She cares here for the poorest of the poorest people that life here and she herself had nothing but a car. She was clothed as a white nun and has no home here but a car. Maybe this was the reason Kiesha was so emotional because she organized promptly a donation for this woman. For the money donated she can sleep in a luxury hotel for many weeks as I saw the result. Very nice.
And this was the result: http://www.heart4earth.nl/photo-gallery/72157629304595789.html
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Whoa, that bowl of cash says it all.
This photo of KC and Amaya reminds me of trading cards, or dolls - as if Kiesha and crew are presenting their versions of stereotypical spiritual "types". Collect each type and then you will be extra legit.
I wonder who this woman in black is, is she KC's manager, or just the presenter for this specific event?
Back to that bowl of cash - wonder what would happen if a donor wanted a receipt? What if a donor wanted to see KC's books?
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Well, this is what I can add:
I found another newspaper article from which I remembered her. She and another artist (she started out as a painter) shared a house here with the object of becoming completely self sufficient. The other woman emigrated (or not) to Ireland to set up a similar project. The Dutch project apparently bombed, as she describes during an interview how she sold "her house and invested all the money in starting a project called The Gift". This project has now spread to virtually every (!) province and is intended to help people who are in debt or unable to sustain themselves and their families. She obviously knows what it means being in debt and in financial trouble as I found her somewhere on a site stating that she "is unable to pay the bill as she and her 3 kids are on welfare".
In another interview she tells how she got so tired and desperate from being in financial trouble that she has now opted to "live within Nature". I found her on several websites with regard to "workshops" in nature, haven't found any prices yet. Will update when I do.
I have also found her (as of 2004 or so) involved in many charity events; i.e. auctioning off paintings, the money of which went to charity, and starting a paint class for street kids to name a few. Her final objective is "to save money and go home", by which she means Colombia, where she was born. She's very emotional about that. She was adopted by a Dutch couple, haven't found any particulars on that yet but did find her on a school forum from which I gathered that she at least spent part of her primary school years in The Netherlands. So she has lived here basically most of her life. Got married, got kids, got divorced.
I'm not sure what happened to the money that was hauled in with help of LG, I'll look into that as well if I can. Lucia basically does what most *cough* enlightened people do here in The Netherlands: take a bit of this, take a bit of that, stir (not shake) and concoct their own personal "feel good medicine". They are completely unaware of 'misappropriation' or 'culture theft' and are actually shocked when pointed out that they're taking things which do not belong to them. The Dutch in particular have this 'share the wealth' attitude, and whole heartedly believe that they should be able to share other people's wealth as well. Don't think you can ever convince them otherwise, I'm afraid.
LH
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Thank you, Litsehimmel, for the information.
Wow! This gets weirder and weirder! It is easy to understand why she and KC have "bonded": they are both artists; KC was supposedly abused as a child and Amaya supposedly suffered abuse; they both went into nature to escape and communicated with the animals and/or spirits; and they both have ex-husbands and children (wonder where they are now?).
I am not sure how you can go "into nature" and live like that. Most land is owned by someone (either by a private owner or the government) and you just can't make a camp somewhere and move in (not for any length of time, I mean).
However, I am sure you can "follow your bliss" by sitting and meditating someplace where it is nice and quiet, but in order for you to survive for any length of time, it does take donations from others who have worked for a living, to be able to exist. Does that make a chump of those of us who work for a living or what?
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I wonder who this woman in black is, is she KC's manager, or just the presenter for this specific event?
Back to that bowl of cash - wonder what would happen if a donor wanted a receipt? What if a donor wanted to see KC's books?
The woman in black is Jolanda Vuyk at Heart4Earth: http://www.heart4earth.nl/jolanda-vuyk/ It was her organization that put on most of KC's Holland events in 2011/12 including the over two-hour Crystal Ceremony.
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The other woman emigrated (or not) to Ireland to set up a similar project.
I'd be interested in any information on who that is and what, if anything they've set up in Ireland. We have some Irish contacts, so it would be good to give them a heads up about it.
Lucia basically does what most *cough* enlightened people do here in The Netherlands: take a bit of this, take a bit of that, stir (not shake) and concoct their own personal "feel good medicine". They are completely unaware of 'misappropriation' or 'culture theft' and are actually shocked when pointed out that they're taking things which do not belong to them. The Dutch in particular have this 'share the wealth' attitude, and whole heartedly believe that they should be able to share other people's wealth as well. Don't think you can ever convince them otherwise, I'm afraid.
I've encountered English-speaking Euros who think "Culture Vulture" is a positive term, that it means you "respectfully" "appreciate" and "help preserve" other people's cultures by stealing from them. I try to tell them that here it is an insult, a name for someone who is misappropriating, stealing and causing offense and harm. So far I don't think they get it. If they have their in-person European friends saying it's a good thing, they often don't care much what they hear from those of us in the US.
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I wonder who this woman in black is, is she KC's manager, or just the presenter for this specific event?
Back to that bowl of cash - wonder what would happen if a donor wanted a receipt? What if a donor wanted to see KC's books?
The woman in black is Jolanda Vuyk at Heart4Earth: http://www.heart4earth.nl/jolanda-vuyk/ It was her organization that put on most of KC's Holland events in 2011/12 including the over two-hour Crystal Ceremony.
Thanks Autumn, I wondered who she was, from photos she looked to be someone in charge. From reading her site now via google translate, looks like she also claims the usual: misunderstood child, connection with animals, visions, experiences the earth's suffering, trained by many masters.
Which just about fits Amaya's story too.
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Well, I guess basically those who had a 'piece of their soul stolen' by abusive encounters or experiences in their youth are by far the most vulnerable with regard to 'seeking a purpose'. To have the whole 'wondering why' and 'why me' dilemma put at rest with a soothing 'you were chosen' (again ripped from the true shamanistic life preps) must be ointment to their souls. And to spend a little cash to have that miracle medicine applied must seem, well, worth the effort I guess.
Also, the Dutch are very 'Indian minded', presumably as a result from having read the books about Winnetou and Old Shatterhand by Karl May in their youths. My poor partner was the same, his house was filled with Indian statues and bull skulls and fake peace pipes etc. They were gone within a week after I moved in *smirk* I can be pretty darn rabid about that stuff. He finally did understand the reason why after I explained it's just pure theft.
Kiesha really has found her pot of gold at the end of the rainbow when she moved to the netherlands. No matter what is published here and no matter how many evidence one can present to show she's a con artist, most of the Dutch just won't listen.
Sad, really.
LH
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it is because they are needy and want to believe in something to make them feel better about themselves,
since everything in their own life is not right they look to other cultures for a quick fix.
When the answer is in looking within themselves facing their demon and healing you dont
need to steal another culture to feel better Oh wait stealing is wrong to began with!
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it is because they are needy and want to believe in something to make them feel better about themselves,
since everything in their own life is not right they look to other cultures for a quick fix.
When the answer is in looking within themselves facing their demon and healing you dont
need to steal another culture to feel better Oh wait stealing is wrong to began with!
I agree with you completely, Earth (you were writing your comment at the same time as me).
Well, I guess basically those who had a 'piece of their soul stolen' by abusive encounters or experiences in their youth are by far the most vulnerable with regard to 'seeking a purpose'. To have the whole 'wondering why' and 'why me' dilemma put at rest with a soothing 'you were chosen' (again ripped from the true shamanistic life preps) must be ointment to their souls. And to spend a little cash to have that miracle medicine applied must seem, well, worth the effort I guess.
Also, the Dutch are very 'Indian minded', presumably as a result from having read the books about Winnetou and Old Shatterhand by Karl May in their youths. My poor partner was the same, his house was filled with Indian statues and bull skulls and fake peace pipes etc. They were gone within a week after I moved in *smirk* I can be pretty darn rabid about that stuff. He finally did understand the reason why after I explained it's just pure theft.
Kiesha really has found her pot of gold at the end of the rainbow when she moved to the netherlands. No matter what is published here and no matter how many evidence one can present to show she's a con artist, most of the Dutch just won't listen.
Sad, really.
LH
Thanks, Litsehimmel. Yes, very sad. But wait, didn't Kiesha move to Holland to be close to her crystal? At least that is what she said.
Although the Dutch may not listen to the truth, I still feel that it is important for us here on the forum to "connect the dots" so that a lot of truth is out there for those looking for it. That may not be just the Dutch, but for anyone else throughout the world who may have a question about her and may be susceptible to falling into her trap.
Also, I agree with what you say about people (especially those who were abused) needing to feel that they have a purpose in life and that "being chosen" seems to give them that purpose. But doesn't that go exactly against what they are preaching, about going "beyond ego". Because "being chosen" is precisely ego-based (IMHO, of course, as is everything I write on this forum).
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just to state a fact
Native dont use crystals and today
we dont allow them around our ceremonies
whoever made this up did not take it from us
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I found two short videos of Lucia. Unfortunately, they are in Dutch, so I don't know what they are saying.
http://jezalhetmaar.bnn.nl/zijn/video/c10ac4b3d42cf82609110a5f6de87ee6
http://jezalhetmaar.bnn.nl/zijn/video/89cbd60a52af0f52046a2dee46100d5b
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The two videos basically describe Lucia's urge to live in the wild. And I got some more info on her youth:
- born into a native tribe in Colombia (she's apparently 100% indian, not Mayan though)
- found malnourished and starving at very young age, spent 9 years in orphanages, adopted by Dutch couple
- ran away from adoptive parents at 14, married at 18, has 2 children, divorced
- in 2011 selflessly donated kidney to virtually unkown woman and saved her life; checked the story, it's true; she did not receive any money for it
The artist friend she lived with for a while in 2007/2008 is Yby Potlatch,who did not go to Ireland after all. She is autistic, an artist, confused, but on several occassions has donated her complete (!) oeuvre either for free, or sold it to help the needy. This too is well documented. I'm starting to seriously think that both Lucia and Yby are the real deal and charlatan LG is just hitching along their ride in order to obtain a 'clean bill of health'. I.o.w. Lucia and Yby, albeit not your regular middle of the road type of woman, have their hearts in the right place and just don't see that they're being taken advantage of.
Unfortunately.
LH
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The two videos basically describe Lucia's urge to live in the wild. And I got some more info on her youth:
- born into a native tribe in Colombia (she's apparently 100% indian, not Mayan though)
- found malnourished and starving at very young age, spent 9 years in orphanages, adopted by Dutch couple
- ran away from adoptive parents at 14, married at 18, has 2 children, divorced
- in 2011 selflessly donated kidney to virtually unkown woman and saved her life; checked the story, it's true; she did not receive any money for it
The artist friend she lived with for a while in 2007/2008 is Yby Potlatch,who did not go to Ireland after all. She is autistic, an artist, confused, but on several occassions has donated her complete (!) oeuvre either for free, or sold it to help the needy. This too is well documented. I'm starting to seriously think that both Lucia and Yby are the real deal and charlatan LG is just hitching along their ride in order to obtain a 'clean bill of health'. I.o.w. Lucia and Yby, albeit not your regular middle of the road type of woman, have their hearts in the right place and just don't see that they're being taken advantage of.
Unfortunately.
LH
Thanks, LH. I do remember reading on the video you sent previously for the 11/11/11 meditation that she was recovering from surgery because she had donated a kidney. It is clear that she has many good intentions, but it is also a fact that she has appeared numerous times with LG (as a prop, apparently) and that she went through that ridiculous performance at the Crystal Ceremony where she was introduced as a Mayan and presented the supposed ancient, very special crystal to LG by falling to her feet and bowing low to LG. She knows she is not a Mayan, LG knows she is not a Mayan, but there it is on video for all to see. There has to be a limit somehow, somewhere, when one realizes the truth of a situation, wouldn't you think? Of course, it is 2013 now and she may have realized her folly since her appearances with LG were in 2011 and 2012. But the kidney donation was also in 2011, so she was straddling both sides of the fence even then.
It is all about personal responsibility and being accountable for our actions, no matter the intent.
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I'm starting to seriously think that both Lucia and Yby are the real deal and charlatan LG is just hitching along their ride in order to obtain a 'clean bill of health'. I.o.w. Lucia and Yby, albeit not your regular middle of the road type of woman, have their hearts in the right place and just don't see that they're being taken advantage of.
I hope you're kidding, here. They are lying and promoting a liar. They are in on the long con.
Skilled scammers know that occasional acts of generosity make some look the other way when they go back to scamming. Like the celebrity that arranges a multi-million dollar press opportunity so they can donate a few thousand to a charity. It's all about the image.
I can't fault them for doing some acts of generosity in the past. Good for them. But right now they are scamming and exploiting people, and propping up someone who is exploiting racist stereotypes of NDNs, and making money off those racist fantasies. This contributes to cultural genocide. So... I don't care if she only has one kidney. There are entire cultures at stake here, and that is more important than any one life.
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Kathryn ...
I hope you're kidding, here. They are lying and promoting a liar. They are in on the long con.
Kidding not so much, just walking on the cautious side. I know from personal experience what havoc wrongful accusations can wreak, and just am not too quick on the draw, especially if I can't look a person in the eye. That's all. Having said that ... Adar o'r unlliw, ehedant i'r unlle. Or the (rough) translation from this Welsh saying: birds of a feather ... Because you do have a strong point in as far as Lucia not having come out publically to denounce being a Mayan.
As for LG, well, I don't have any doubts about her being a charlatan. She obviously moved to were the pickings were richer, and it seems to work well for her. Identity theft seems to be a fad these days. Because that's what it is, pure and simple.
LH
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LH, I agree that it is always best to err on the side of caution, but this situation is a little too strange. Like you say: "Birds of a feather. . ."
I've been thinking about this, and I'm just not buying this "Buddhist nun" thing either. I am pretty sure in order to become a Buddhist nun, you have to study for many, many years and live in a monastery under a teacher. It is a highly disciplined procedure and takes years. And this is what most of them look like. http://www.buddhanet.net/ordination03.htm
You don't just go out into the woods, cut off your hair, wear a white robe and say "I'm a Buddhist nun! I'm a Buddhist nun!"
Do you see a connection with LG saying: "I'm a Native American shaman! I'm a wisdom keeper! I'm a member of the Sioux-Salish tribe"??
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Autumn ...
LH, I agree that it is always best to err on the side of caution, but this situation is a little too strange. Like you say: "Birds of a feather. . ."
I've been thinking about this, and I'm just not buying this "Buddhist nun" thing either.
Oh I didn't buy that to start with. I live close to the Karma Deleg Cho Phel Ling (Tibetan buddhist center) and come there quite often. Haven't seen Lucia there, and if she truly was to become a Buddhist nun she would have to have taken refuge there to become initiated ;)
You don't just go out into the woods, cut off your hair, wear a white robe and say "I'm a Buddhist nun! I'm a Buddhist nun!"
Sounds a bit like a schyzophrenic apple screaming "I'm a pear! I'm a pear!" doesn't it? So, no.
Do you see a connection with LG saying: "I'm a Native American shaman! I'm a wisdom keeper! I'm a member of the Sioux-Salish tribe"??
See above, and yes. I'll keep looking into this in any case, see what else pops up.
LH
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Thanks, LH.
It is like Epiphany said in an earlier thread, LG seems to be collecting "types" and displaying her collection. That is all part of the script-writing and it will be interesting to see (or not) what "type" she displays next.
Also, as someone said earlier, LG seems to be a predator and, most likely, Lucia/Devatma's intentions were good, but she has somehow fallen under LG's spell and has become her prop. I don't know how much LG has put her up to, but Lucia/Devatma needs to stand up for herself. Maybe at this point in 2013, she has already "seen the light".
Whatever you do, LH, be careful. You really do not know what LG's followers are capable of.
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Autumn ...
Whatever you do, LH, be careful. You really do not know what LG's followers are capable of.
Thank you for the concern :) Naturally I will be cautious, but - without boring you with the long and tedious story of my life - if push comes to shove, I have a few 'defensive skills' if people try and harm either me or my family. And I'm quite good at finding 'hidden' information on the internet. Things should be fine.
LH
Fantastic! It is obvious you are very skilled.
I had put this comment in the KC/LG thread, and it really belongs here:
I also wanted to clarify my earlier opinion that you can't just go out and say "I am a Buddhist nun" without the training to back it up. I don't really think there is a Buddhist police that arrests people who are saying they are a Buddhist nun when, in fact, they are not. That being said, I think you can say you are anything you want and most people will believe you, no questions asked.