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Roy Wilson - Medicine Wheel Tribe
Olderthandirt:
http://www.natureman.net/ This link is the "official" website of the Medicine Wheel Tribe formed by Roy Wilson. If you check it out, click on "books."
Has anyone heard of this, according to his own words, spiritual healer/medicine man?
The "Otter Clan" meets in Suquamish.
My husband and I met Roy Wilson the first time in Toledo, WA at the Cowlitz Tribe's little powwow about 5 years ago. My husband was a Vietnam Veteran and Vice-Pres of the Vietnam Veterans of America. He always organized the Colors at Grand Entries at the powwows. The first time we ever laid eyes on this man, he walked up to us and said "I am a medicine man." We nearly imploded with laughter as we thought it was a joke. He was SERIOUS!! That was even worse. Then he cornered us & started preaching christian crappolla in sort of a Oral Roberts meets Wallace Black Elk way. We got away from him, pronto. He made our skin itch so bad, we yearned for a run through some sheep dip to rid the vermin. Then, we learned from the MC, Tony McGrady, that Wilson was the "honorary" chief of the Cowlitz Tribe. Oh, double urp!
Fast forward to Feb, 2006. A Haida elder asked me to check out a "Medicine Wheel Tribe" meeting at the Kent Unity Church, as she had dealt with the trauma of a couple people who had become ill after attending. It was definitely a non-indian doing. Everyone clearly drools over Wilson and worships him in sort of a Jim Jones way. A man named Tom was the "leader" and he is clearly a non-indian christian playing a wannabe game. They follow Wilson's "teachings" from the medicine wheel book he wrote. The book VERY suspiciously is close to verbatim to most of Sun Bear's medicine wheel book. Five minutes into my first time there, I was given a little wolf figure much like you would find on a charm bracelet and was told I was now a bona fide member of the Wolf Clan. (Gag!) I was told my name would be Dancing WolfWoman and the naming ceremony would be in a couple weeks. (HAH!) I am an old woman, five feet tall and about four feet wide with white hair.....yeah I am a REAL Dancing Wolf Woman. The rest of the people all wore big huge signs that hung around their necks with their "Indian" names.
They try to get a newbie to buy all of Wilson's books and some other junk.
To be fair, I went a second time, as I could not believe what I was seeing or hearing. They started singing a sacred Sun Dance song and something happened that would be improper for me to speak about but I can tell you I knocked two chairs over in my haste to get out of there. It is best for me not to say any more of that incident.
Does anyone know about this Medicine Wheel Tribe or Roy Wilson?
Karen
weheli:
here is more on Roy Wilson, I have also done some e mailing , will let you know when a reply comes. Much to research here. As we have all said if someone walks up to you and says they are a medicine man RUN and than report them to whomever will listen.
http://www.turtleislandstorytellers.net/tis_washington/transcript_r_wilson.htm
When I give the teachings of the Medicine Wheel I show the similarities between these teachings and the teachings of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islamand the teachings of Brahma. What has happened is that these people, after I give an introduction from one night a week for six weeks, many times they want to go more deeply into the teachings. Some of these have been meeting for ten, eleven, and twelve years now. From one group it grew to two, and three and four, to where now there are twenty of these groups, and we now call them Clans of the Medicine Wheel Tribe—Twenty Clans of the Medicine Wheel Tribe and it's gone international;
Will be doing more research, with him talking of the sundance and printing the songs and the chanupa songs ect..
Weheli
debbieredbear:
In the archives there is mre about this scumbag. He first appeared in Kitsap County in the early 80's. He was the minister at Tracyton United Methodist Church. He left under a cloud and whispers about bad behavior with women. At the time he showed up, he was married to Leslie who had some Indian blood. He proudly proclaimed he did not have one drop of Indian blood. Magically, about 5 years later, he was enrolled Cowlitz. I have heard privately that he may have falsified his enrollment papers as one of them did his genealogy and found no Indian blood. One of my friends told me he tried to fondle her on the dance floor. Another told me he attempted the same in the kitchen at a pow wow. Just after he "retired" from the Methodist ministry, he openly pledged to sundance down at Mount Hood. That is an AIM sundance, or was. Of course, he never showed up the next year.
He tells women to wear bathing suits in the sweat. He tells people to "potlatch the medicine man" for a pipe ceremony. YIKES! Potlatches are big doings and very expensive to the giver. He tells people to tke water, a book, a journal, a sleeping bag and a change of clothes for a vision quest. What, no snacks?? Some of the people at Suquamish United church here in Suquamish tried to get rid of Roy but the pastor thinks Roy is wonderful.
Olderthandirt:
Debbie,
I searched the archives and found very little. Perhaps I entered wrong search words??
Thank you for the info. It is what I have read and heard AND experienced first hand. Sometimes it is like I am going the wrong way on I-5. People whisper mightily about him but no one will stand up publicly to stop his filth & lies.
This scumbag makes maggots quite appealing!!
debbieredbear:
Karen,
I called the UCC church in Suquamish to protest. Tony and Cliff went up there and tried to set things straight. One lady from UCC told the pastoir that if he had Roy speak one more time, she wanted to know in advance so she could stay home that day! The people who are enamored with him do not want to see the truth. Rikki Jacobs has written letters to the editor when they did shaman stories on Roy in the Bremerton newspaper. Even Cowlitz people have tried. He is a slick operator and can convince people that he is the real thing. That medicine wheel that is Sun Bear's? Just a coincidence that Roy's "vision" was the same. I was told that.
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