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Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Marlon:
Hi Educated Indian,
First of all I do not see any bizarre double standard. Take a closer look at those red words. They are not Looking Back Woman's but a woman named Vivian High Elk. I don't know who she is exactly but apparently she has something to do with a meeting that was held on this subject last year with a man called Alfred Boneshirt. I think she was his spokesperson.
As far as being drawn to Looking Back Woman. She contacted me. She sent me a link to her site. I looked it up and was curious about her story. Then asked her to do an interview. I think this interview reveled what she has which is Fools Cows canunpa, not the other one.
I did not want to sddress thos on your site but then Banaby said " I'm sure a lot of people would be more interested in reading your response to the criticism of your magazine on this forum than they are in reading further interviews with questionable individuals on your website. Please stop posting those links"
So I responded to the criticism. Then Tachia accused me of promoting frauds like Looking Back Woman. Rolling Thunder ,Mala Spotted Eagle and the rest. So I defended my reasons for doing so, which is believing she is not a fraud. I removed the others offline since I can not do they will stay of until I do more research.
So then this man called wilhili on your forum asked me about this so I answered. It took off from there.
As far as "dragging into the mud the most respected native elder in this country", I dont think I have and if so, that was not my intention of interviewing Looking Back Woman. to be honest with you i was much more intrested in John Fire Lame Deer and fools crow than the canunpa and still am. Would rather have just talked about them and not the canunpa at all. I did not even know who he was untill this LBW interview or had never even heard of this proclamation. I am be referring to the pipe keeper Arvol by the way. this was all new to me and had a hard time even understanding it. thats why i asked a lot of questions. I just was wanted to know. some one said earlier that this should be private and between the Lakota people. I tend to agree with that.
Why would I be upset about Looking Horse Proclamation? I don't want to smoke a pipe or to do sun dances or want to be practice native medicine. I have my own spiritual beliefs.
Barnaby_McEwan:
Update. Dupree wants to foster Native kids.
http://www.kxmc.com/News/Local/127630.asp
See the comments, in which she lectures someone about "reverse racism" (where've we heard that before? ::) )
educatedindian:
That's interesting. Dupree doesn't live on any Lakota rez:
"Posted by Suzanne Dupree on May 30 2007 10:45AM - Who would you contact for the requirements, and is there a necessity for the foster parents to be in the Turtle Mountain region? I live in BC, but have a strong attachment to the Turtle Mountain Region, having lobbied for World Heritage Status for Turtle Mountain Region & International Peace Garden, outside Bossivain, Manitoba in 2002, to IOCOMOS CANADA in Ottawa.
I am status, and registered at Cheyenne River Agency in South Dakota. My husband and I are in our 50's, and already support two International children, through the Children's Fund, and would be interested in aquiring more information and the requirements for having a foster child.
With prayers for your sucess,
Suzanne Dupree"
A little bit of exaggeration there. She doesn't "support" the two kids. For the Children's Fund, you give something like 15 or 20 dollars a month. The CF then goes and uses the number of donations it receives to solicit support from govt and corporate sources. But her misconception is a common one the CF encourages.
Moma_porcupine:
This is the first time I have ever found myself literally shaking when I posted something ...
From the Dupree Pt 2 thread ;
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1197.0
Dupree Pt 2
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2007, 03:15:53 pm »
LBW
--- Quote ---And for more archival information that was collected between 1964-1967, that I had no way of manipulating...go read it for yourself, and you will see with your own eyes where the deception started, and by what family.
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Re: Dupree Pt 2
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2007, 12:04:02 pm »
Marlon quoting from a letter by Smithsoinian Archivest Ray DeMallie
--- Quote ---Dear Ms. Dupree, Looking Back Woman,
Thank you for you e-mail regarding Wilbur Riegert’s photograph of Martha Bad Warrior. I apologize for taking so long to reply.
(continued)
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--- Quote ---The extract from a letter I wrote to the archivist in 1966 that is quoted in the catalog section “Local Notes,??? is an embarrassing expression of my youthful certainty:
“Although there is no doubt that this is the sacred pipe, it is denied by the modern day keeper's family. They claim it is a replica of the sacred pipe. This helps throw ethnographers off the track. The family says this was not the real pipe, no white man has ever seen the pipe (not true, of course), we cannot open the bundle for you. John and I were not the only ones to try--they said there had been a couple of people there from California, and one from England. John and I did get to go into the sacred pipe enclosure and ‘pray over the pipe’.???
I will ask that this be deleted from the catalog entry.
(continued )
--- End quote ---
--- Quote ---Later this spring, after our semester ends, I plan to make a trip to Washington during which I will have the opportunity to visit the National Anthropological Archives. In the meantime, I will write to Rob Leopold and send him a revised and streamlined catalog entry, with the request that he substitute it for the old one. Before I do so, I am attaching it below for your comments, to see if you think it is appropriate.
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The archived entry that I do have saved in more than one place used to read ;
Creator:
Riegert, Wilbur A.
Title:
Sans Arc Dakota woman, Mrs Martha Bad Warrior with group of relatives and friends, Green Grass, South Dakota 1936
Contained in:
Glass Negatives of Indians (Collected by the Bureau of American Ethnology) 1850s-1930s
Phy. Description:
1 8x10 in photograph
Black and white copy negative
Bio / His Notes:
Date: 1936 (3 months before Mrs Bad Warrior's death).
Photographer: Wilbur A. Riegert, Wounded Knee, South Dakota.
Summary:
Excerpts from letter from R. DeMallie, 5400 Greenwood Avenue, Chicago, 60615, dated 9/26/66: "The picture shows Mrs Martha Bad Warrior holding the Sacred Buffalo Calf Pipe - the main content of the most sacred of the Sioux medicine bundles. The date is August, 1936, three months before Mrs Bad Warrior's death. The occasion was a severe drought. Mrs Bad Warrior unwrapped the pipe at sunrise, and sat all day in the hot sun, praying for rain. It came, eventually, of course, but it is said that her death was a result. The photograph was taken by Wilbur Riegert. I met the little boy on Mrs Bad Warrior's left. He's now a grown man, of course, and is the father of the present keeper of the sacred pipe. The picture was taken at Green Grass, S. D., on the Cheyenne River Reservation."
Extract from Indian Voices, July, 1966 page 4 (reprinted from The Sioux Journal): Custodian of Mystic Calf Pipe Dies at Green Grass, S. D. Mrs Lucy Looking Horse, the second woman to ever be the custodian of the Mystic Calf Pipe died April 12 at her home in Green Grass, South Dakota. Over many generations, dating back several hundred years, the only other woman so honored as administrator of the pipe was Mrs Martha Bad Warrior who was Lucy's mother. According to legend, the White Buffalo Maiden (calf woman) appearing in the form of a beautiful golden haired maiden, presented the pipe as a token or medium to be used in obtaining the blessings of the Great Spirit (wakan). Appearing to the Indian people in the midst of famine and pestilence she implored them to be patient and that she would come to them, bring ease and comfort as a reward for their suffering. Seeing that their faith was evident she taught them in the use of the pipe--that it should only be used in case of dire need and that on such occasion, only, would the pipe be exposed. She then lighted the pipe, pointed to the sky with the stem and said: "I offer this to Wakan Tanka for all the good that comes from above. (Pointing to the cardinal points:) I offer this to the four winds, whence come all good things." She then changed into a
white buffalo calf. The sacred pipe has been handed down from one generation to another. The original family who administered the pipe was the Elk Head family. In recent years, Mrs Bad Warrior, who died in 1936,passed it on to her half brother Ernest Two Runs, also of Green Grass. The latter gave possession of the pipe to Ehli Bad Warrior in 1942. Upon Ehli's death in 1959, it passed to Mrs Lucy Looking Horse. It is not known who Mrs Looking Horse designated as heir to the pipe.
Organization:
Item
Provenance:
Copy (9/66) from original photograph loaned to SOA-A by Mrs Belva Jack, Mission, South Dakota (through R. DeMallie, 5400
Greenwood Avenue, Chicago 60615).
Cite as:
Negative 55936, Smithsonian Institution National Anthropological Archives
Local Notes:
Written on back of print: "Property of Wilbur A. Riegert, Wounded Knee, S. Dakota. "Died October 25 - 1936 [Must refer to Mrs Bad Warrior]. "Given to Lucy Looking Horse on 10-29-64 by W. A. Riegert, Everett C. Jordan, Mrs A. M. Clark." [Lucy Looking Horse died in April, 1966. At the giveaway after her death, this picture was given to Mrs Belva Jack.] "This picture, as you see, belonged to Mrs Looking Horse (Lucy H.), the daughter of Martha, and the keeper of the sacred pipe. She died last May. At the giveaway after her death this picture was given to Mrs Belva Jack, of Mission, S. D., a distant relative [who lent it to Ray DeMallie]. ...Although there is no doubt that this is the sacred pipe, it is denied by the modern day keeper's family. They claim it is a replica of the sacred pipe. This helps throw ethnographers off the track. The family says this was not the real pipe, no white man has ever seen the pipe (not true, of course), we cannot open the bundle for you. John and I were not the only ones to try--they said there had been a couple of people there from California, and one from England. John and I did get to go into the sacred pipe enclosure and "pray over the pipe." The picture in the Library of Congress collection shows it wrapped in a buffalo robe; today it is wrapped up in an old, man's gray overcoat."
Extract from Indian Voices (continued). Funeral services for Mrs Looking Horse were held April 16 at the Congregational church at Green Grass. The Rev. Moses Flying By conducted the services. She is survived by her husband, Thomas and one son, Stanley. Preceding her in death were a son and one daughter. Mrs Looking Horse was born Dec. 20, 1891.Culture:
Dakota Sans Arc
Subject - Geographical:
South Dakota
Form / Genre:
Photographs
Repository Loc:
National Anthropological Archives, Smithsonian Museum Support Center, Suitland, Maryland
Local Number:
OPPS NEG 55936
Item information
The recently edited entry now reads ;
http://siris-archives.si.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?uri=full=3100001~!92671!0
Creator:
Riegert, Wilbur A.
Title:
Sans Arc Dakota woman, Mrs Martha Bad Warrior with group of relatives and friends, Green Grass, South Dakota 1936
Contained in:
Glass Negatives of Indians (Collected by the Bureau of American Ethnology) 1850s-1930s
Phy. Description:
1 8x10 in photograph
Black and white copy negative
Bio / His Notes:
Date: August 1936.
Summary:
The photograph was taken by Wilbur A. Riegert at Green Grass, South Dakota, on Cheyenne River Reservation. Mrs. Bad Warrior was the keeper of the sacred Buffalo Calf Pipe Bundle, the only tribal bundle of the Lakotas. In order to end the long drought that afflicted the plains, she sat all day in the hot sun, holding a pipe on her lap, praying for rain. Mrs. Bad Warrior died October 25, 1936. [Source: Raymond J. DeMallie, Jr., 20 June 2007]
Organization:
Item
Provenance:
Copy (Sept. 1966) from original photograph loaned to the Smithsonian Office of Anthropology Archives by Mrs. Belva Jack, Mission, South Dakota (through R. DeMallie, 5400 Greenwood Avenue, Chicago, IL 60615).
Cite as:
Negative 55936, Smithsonian Institution National Anthropological Archives
References:
Sidney J. Thomas, "A Sioux Medicine Bundle," American Anthropologist, n.s. vol. 43, pp. 605-609 (1941); John L. Smith, "A Short History of Sacred Calf Pipe of the Teton Dakota," South Dakota University Museum News 28, pp. 1-37 (1967); Wilbur A. Riegert, The Search for the Pipe of the Sioux: As Viewed from Wounded Knee (1975).
Local Notes:
Written on back of print: "Property of Wilbur A. Riegert, Wounded Knee, S. Dakota. "[Martha Bad Warrior] Died October 25 - 1936. Given to Lucy Looking Horse on 10-29-64 by W. A. Riegert, Everett C. Jordan, Mrs A. M. Clark." [Lucy Looking Horse, daughter of Martha Bad Warrior, died in April, 1966. At the giveaway after her death, this picture was given to Mrs Belva Jack.]
Culture:
Dakota Sans Arc
Subject - Geographical:
South Dakota
Form / Genre:
Photographs
Repository Loc:
National Anthropological Archives, Smithsonian Museum Support Center, Suitland, Maryland
Local Number:
OPPS NEG 55936
I would like to post one or two screen shots of the original Smithsonian record , which I saved in April , but I've never done this before and I don't know how - maybe someone could send me a PM explaining how to do this .....
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edited to update a cached link that went dead
I see the link to the comments in the Rapid City Journal posted below is also gone dead .
The comment can still be accessed by doing a Google search on the terms "LBW" ,"Arvol",
"Rapid City Journal" but it is only in the cached pages . I notice cached URLs seem to keep
changing so I won't try and update this . I did save the web page if anyone needs to see it .
Moma_porcupine:
Below is a link to a file I saved of a cached Google webpage on April 19 2007 . It is the webpage from the Smithsonian Archives , which I copied and pasted above , before it was recently changed .
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1286.0
Thanks for helping make that availabe for people to be able to see Pat and Barnaby . :)
I guess it would have been better posted in this thread , but people can find it through the link if they want to confirm the information posted above . This previous version of the webpage is now no longer up and it is not in the web archive so i wanted to make sure it doesn't disappear and people can see for themselves who is changing history .
This 1966 record that is now changed , shows that the WBCP was passed to the Looking Horse family .
This record that is now changed , was in existence before AIM burned anything or allegedly ( according to LBW ) changed or destroyed any history .
This record that is now changed , shows that 40 years ago Arvols family did not believe in displaying the WBCP publicly , and it is not just Arvol making excuses , when he declines to do this this .
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edited to add
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:ToPR59BP_SoJ:www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2007/01/02/news/
top/news02.txt+LBW+Pipe+Arvol+Argus&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ca
Suzanne Dupree AKA Looking Back Woman in a letter to the Rapid City Journal Jan 9, 2007 10:21 AM:
--- Quote ---I have proof our spiritual history was changed, that Arvol Looking Horse never had the Pipe handed down to him from his grand-mother Lucy Looking Horse, because Lucy Looking Horse was never passed the Pipe from her Mother, Martha Bad Warrior, the third and last blood-line "Keeper" of the Sacred Buffalo Calf Pipe. This information was thought lost during the seige at Wounded Knee, when AIM looted and burned the post office and museum in 1973.
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More information is in the thread Dupree part 2 .
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