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Title: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: educatedindian on October 15, 2009, 09:01:43 pm
Got a request saying a group of Nuagers are trying to infiltrate and take over at Akwesasne using claims about this supposed treaty.

Highlighted some of the more ridiculous gibberish this group is putting out, but need help in tracking down who they are.

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http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:OMV0H1zNRzQJ:www.signatoryindians.com/Purpose.htm+%22Camel%27s+Eye+Treaty%22+new+age&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Signatory Indians

Purpose

The purpose for this website is to re-educate the world as to the true legal identity of Signatory Tribal People, specifically the Signatory Indian Tribes of North and South America and their descendants. [eg;] Indian Tribes of the Western Hemisphere, fed the starving world of Europe and parts of Africa , by fulfilling their responsibility according to the stipulations of a treaty signed before the sanctioning of the Columbus Commission in 1492. This treaty is known as the Treaty of the Camels Eye, The Eye of Isis and The Eagle Bowl Treaty, and it was signed July 2nd 408 A.D. upon the surrender of the Roman Empire.

The Foundation Of International Law
 

“It is of little consequence to me on who you are because everyone here is descendant from a Tribe that make up the Six Aboriginal Treaties that are the Foundation of all International Law.” [Meredith Quinn - International Legal Advisor, of the Dakota Empire, registered with the United Nations.]
 

There are six aboriginal treaties that are the foundation for all international law, hence from them comes the Law of Nations which has Clanmothers who hold Territorial Right, also referred to as Cession Jurisdiction. In all International Law including today, Clanmothers hold Title to the Territory of a Nation, both White or Indian.

The Six Aboriginal Treaties

*Wampum Belts
*Canes of Authority
*Peace Pipe Treaties [These treaties cover all Indian Tribes of North and South America]
*The Seal of Solomon Treaty [Covers all Blacks, Arabs and Israelites]
*The Paladium of Troy Treaty [Covers Asia and Minor Asia]
*Noah’s Ark Treaty [Covers all Anglia, Saxon, Mercia and Northumbrian Groups or The White Tribes of Europe]

The Law of the Signatory Tribes supercedes the domestic law of the white governments both here in what is called Canada and the United States. The United States of America are ruled by Corpus Juris Secundum or Second Law of the Land.. Canada is a Defacto type government or Corporation and is registered on the stock markets of the world as such. Canada goes by Crown Law which is the law of the Crown of England, but remember at the time Rome surrendered it’s power in 408 A.D., England was given the responsibility of fulfilling the articles of the Camel’s Eye Treaty, because England was the second Rome. The ROMAN EMPIRE included the Crown of England, France and Spain. To this day, should you follow the bloodlines of the ROYAL FAMILIES, you will find them to be the descendants of the OLD ROMAN EMPIRE or the ROMAKOS who are the descendants of GREEK ROYALTY.

The RULE OF LAW binding these treaties is followed letter perfect today, and should a SIGNATORY TRIBAL GOVERNMENT be re-established, as it was in 1995, (see THE EXACT PEOPLE OF THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS) it would protect itself by asserting jurisdiction to stop any type of government from imposing it’s laws and jurisdiction over the Tribal Members.

Federal District Court Judge Warren Urbom, in the case, United States –V- Consolidated Wounded Knee Cases, {Supra. 1975], gave the exact construction of a Tribal Government, when he stated to 65 Sioux Indians trying to prove Sovereignty, “this court cannot supply a Casus Omissus in a Treaty any more than in a Law”. Interpreted, he is saying, Clanmothers are the Law. This judge was acknowledging the power of the Clanmother over any Nation.

TRIBAL GOVERNMENT [SOVEREIGNTY]

Judge Urbom in the case, United States –v- Consolidated Wounded Knee Cases supra. Gave the exact construction of a Tribal Government, which made the members Signatory Indians and members making up the Tribe.

When the Beda [Bedea] Scholars of England rewrote and retranslated the Christian Bible in the 1500’s from the old version of 451 A.D., they purposely omitted one complete book and the name of this book can be found in the new Bible-Numbers 21:14. The Monarchy of any Tribal Government are called: Angels; Daughters of the Great Spirit or Pure Light. To be a member of a Signatory Tribe, you must belong to a clan that is ruled by a Clanmother who appoints Chiefs to speak on behalf of her clan. The entire Tribe ruled by Clanmothers, Angels, Pure Light, or Daughters of the Great Spirit, become the Title Owners of the Sovereign Territories. The exception to this are the 5,6, and 7 Nations that were Indian Tribes created by George Washington who signed Treaties with them trying to replace the power of the Clanmothers of the Iroquois Confederacy.The original Iroquois Confederacy was 52 Nations .[People for the State of New York –v- Boots; Co, Ct. N. Y. ]

According to Tribal Custom and Usage, all children born are Signatory and until they reach the age of accountability, where they place their allegiance often makes them Ambiguous Indians with a Quasi-Sovereign position. Ambiguos; meaning doubtful if they are Indians. As there is doubt caused by their own admission, they become Quasi-Sovereign. [They may appear so, but are not Sovereign.] Elk-v-Wilkins. Corporate Charters, called Indian Governments,[Band Council elective system], legally defined, are Autonomy Governments which comes from the Greek [Autosnomous-Self Rule,] legally means a Self-Governing state, community or group, subject to another Supreme Sovereignty. This type of system has omitted the true Landlord of the Territories, who are the Women of the Clans.  Presented by Wapo Piesew as taught by Meredith Quinn
 

Following legal documents presented to the courts on behalf of Indians:

 
From the records of the Federal - Provincial Arbitrations (Unsettled Accounts Arbitration), Indian Claims, Robinson Treaties, Vol. 5, entered in the Department of Indian Affairs, January 12, 1897: The Hon. J.J. Curran, Q.C., Solicitor General for Canada:

We contend that these treaties are governed by international, rather than municipal law. They were made with the tribes under the authority of the Sovereign, and the faith of the nation was pledged in dealing with those annuities. The Crown is a trustee in those matters, and occupies a special relationship towards those Indians, and is bound to watch over their interests and enforce their rights, and will not be allowed to set up its own laches as a defense against these claims. All these claims are safeguarded in a manner that is quite a different manner from any claim that would arise between two subjects of her Majesty who might come before any Court to have their matters adjudicated upon.

(Arbitration transcript, p. 63)

Note: Laches - in LAW, failure to do a thing at the right time, is inexcusable negligence.

- slackness, negligence or remissness


Statement of Improper Defense

The allegiance of attorneys, judges, and all other officers of this court is given to uphold the laws of the province and the federal government of Canada and are therefore disqualified from representing, judging fairly, or trying by Crown Law, Indians on Treaty Rights to their property or Territories.


Conclusion:

Therefore, or therein, or where so ever, Indians charged with crimes that come in conflict with their Indian identity either encompassing the concept of Tribal or the word or sound or the Law of the Indian, whether it comes from township, town, city, county, province, or Canadian Federal or Supreme Courts, there can be no representation from the legal services or associations that belong to the Canadian Bar or other related associations, organizations, or concepts, and any attorney or judge licensed by same, is outside the representation or prosecution of Treaty Indians.

In further conclusion all attorneys and judges in the profession of law and its practices, are classified as persons that belong to the concepts and beliefs for the Government of Canada and not Indian Nations, Tribes or Reservations, and no government agency, attorney or judge, corporation (profit or non-profit) or anyone owing allegiance to the Government of Canada can relate these facts to the Indian, because it would be prejudicial to the interests of Canada, and its provinces.

 

Statement of Exclusive Jurisdiction

Citizens or members of Indian Nations, Tribes, and Reservations cannot assume to have obligations to, or be under the protection of a Nation other than their own, because Canadian citizenship and Indian exclusive jurisdiction control are in direct conflict due to Indian Sovereign land base rights. The courts have no right(s) to assume this jurisdiction when it cannot prove that any existing tribal relations or affiliations have terminated or dissolved because the Indian has left Indian Sovereign Territories, exercising the Right of Occupancy. The question of jurisdiction or the lack of it is the exclusive right of the Tribal Government and can only be dealt with at the International level. We cannot, as Tribal people, present an enrollment number to this or any other court showing that we are citizens of our Nation. The burden of proof is on the judge of your court to prove we are citizens of Canada. The procedure is clearly defined in that the judge must prove that we have a: Certificate of Tribal Abandonment

Certificate of Competency and Eligibility

Certificate of Citizenship

In conclusion, for this or any other court to continue assuming jurisdiction over Indians, constitutes the crime of Treason.

 

ACTS classified as TREASON
1. Rebellion or Insurrection against INDIAN NATIONS.
2. Seditious Conspiracy against INDIAN NATIONS.
3. Advocating the Overthrow of INDIAN GOVERNMENTS.
4. Registration of Certain Organizations.
5. Activities affecting Police Forces generally.
6. Activities affecting Police Forces during Wars.
7. Recruiting for services against INDIAN NATIONS.
8. Enlisting of services against INDIAN NATIONS.
9. Giving aid and comfort to Indian or non-Indians committing these crimes.
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: educatedindian on October 15, 2009, 09:14:12 pm
A site gives some descriptions of them.

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http://letstalknativepride.blogspot.com/2009/09/false-prophets-looking-for-large.html
Tuesday, September 29, 2009
False Prophets Looking for Large Profits
On June 1st I warned in my first post on the border guard incident in Akwesasne about false prophets and bogus leaders using the issue to further their causes. I reiterated my concerns on my June 24th post. Today I must again address this concern.

What ever this new group of Meredith Quinn/Lester Howse/Kenny Kapplemier/Larry Thompson/Donny Smoke followers call themselves, I wish they would formally distinguish themselves and just renounce themselves as Mohawks. They hint at it. They condemn the Kaianerehkowa. They play all kinds of semantics and prey on the ignorance of others, yet they insist on using the people of Akwesasne, the Kanienkehaka, to build a foundation for their new religion/history/cult/scam. They come in and out of Longhouses, that they don't believe in. They participate in meetings with "other Mohawk leaders", although they no longer consider themselves Mohawks. They seem to have taken over the Akwesasne Women's Fire website with full coverage of the Larry Thompson Show. The buzz is that they plan to use the the history of Mohawk resistance to suck money out of Momar Khadafi and other American haters.

What is the end game? Who knows! I, like many, simply want to just ignore all this nonsense. But opportunists like these use events like the Kawehnoke issue to confuse and undermine the will of the people. Most of us are just plain embarrassed by the ramblings and antics of these guys. The problem is that when the patients take over the asylum it comes to a point where it is hard to tell the mad scientist from the mad men and the mad men from the mindless. Someone is behind all this and who ever it is has a purpose.

No, it isn't enlightenment or eternal life. It is something much easier to grasp; $. Most of us have gotten used to looking the other way while our neighbors figured out the next get rich quick scheme. This time it is different. This time it isn't about selling out your own ethics or morality; or jeopardizing your own freedom or security. This time it is about selling out our identity. There are plenty of non-natives looking for a group of "onkweohnwe" to deny everything we have ever stood for; sovereignty, freedom, ties to our land, stewards of that land, government by the people, equality, inherent rights, natural law and our connectedness to creation.

These prophets of the camel's eye are just what the doctor ordered for all those that would do us harm. A few corrupt, well spoken men can easily find those weakened by years of alcohol and drug abuse, desperate for something to believe in, abused or abandoned as kids, hooked on easy money and disgruntled because no one has ever done anything for them. This isn't the first attempt at this for some of these guys. After making millions and establishing themselves as the envy of others, ruling over them becomes the next brass ring to grab. These guys have worked in and out of every court system, every political system, every religion and every movement, but never once learning about who they were. It is no wonder that they are drawn to the Egyptians. In our way there is no hierarchy. These guys admire the pyramid; the symbol of wealth and power.

Posted by Ohnkwe Ohnwe at 4:29 PM

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http://cornwallfreenews.com/2009/09/cbsa-impounding-of-cars-island-update-akwesasne-cornwall/
More and more residents are renouncing their status cards and essentially renouncing their citizenship in Canada so as to assert their land claims and rights from the Camel’s Eye Treaty.

They have these cards which in a way are supposed to act as Passports stating the terms of the treaty; essentially allowing for freedom of movement.

The claim being that the US/Canada have no authority over non-band Indians and thus not falling under CBSA or MCA authority.

One gentlemen near me said that “If you don’t know your rights they are going to pull you over.”  He may be right as when I returned the CBSA demanded my ID.  When I explained I never left Canada and just went to cover the story on the Island  she persistently asked me two more times before giving up.

In the meanwhile they are purchasing lumber and building materials with their collection of money and not using any monies from the MCA to erect a building on the tent site.   They are advising to not cross the bridge alone, but in groups and have made a phone list to call in case of detainment.

A lot of people were also upset that no Chiefs from the MCA were present to update them and offer support.

“Unity and Peace of the People are Power”  was another quote shared.  More quotes “Canada’s Mad” the perception being that residents of the Island are feeling that Canadians are being turned against them by the government.    That the government is again refusing to negotiate with them.

Many feel that the government is looking for excuses to close the bridge and bring in the army but that they will stick together as a community and peacefully resolve the crisis.

The feeling in the tent is that they wanted the CBSA to never return to the Island; have the old customs building turned over to them and grant Canada a right of way through the reserve.

And there was talk of boycotting Cornwall; until it was safer to cross the bridge.

Friday’s actions have really been a setback for our area.

What do you think?  If you’re a resident or Cornwall, Akwesasne, Massena or the area post your comments or email us at info@cornwallfreenews.com

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http://forum.49thparallel.org/index.php?action=printpage;topic=7050.0
The new world order thugs are creating fake identities, confederacies and sub groups to sign away our rights, resources and territories. In the past a land transaction had to be public to avoid fraud.

These new age Indians have been insinuating they are the real signatory tribal people. These signatory tribal people have withdrawn their memberships from their communities, their Indigenous nation and the Confederacy.

They carry no colonial ID, calling themselves universal persons. They make declarations of sovereignty. The Two Row Wampum nation-to-nation position which identifies our legal relationship with the visitors is not evident anywhere.

Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: NanticokePiney on October 15, 2009, 09:41:53 pm
 Here's a thread looking for a Meredith Quinn or Lester House (Howse?). 

   weird.....

 http://www.voy.com/41195/855.html
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: educatedindian on October 15, 2009, 09:51:03 pm
The late Meridith Quinn seems to have influenced them quite a bit. Quinn claimed to be the legal advisor for the "Dakota Empire."

Be warned, this file can freeze up your computer.
http://www.freedomfiles.org/Treaty.pdf

Basically it's 56 pages of gibberish. For a supposed legal advisor, I doubt she even finished high school, much less went to law school. It's a mishmash of Nuage theories as if they were written by a militia member tripping on pychedelic drugs, filled with conspiracy theories and false history in literally almost every sentence.

For example she spells sovereign "sovran" repeatedly, includes lots of references to DNA and mitochondria. There are terms in there that she pulls out of thin air that are meaningless except maybe to her, like "endogenic kanobosm" and "self proclaiming dragon chiefs" and "divine life force delta 9 frequency."

You also find ramblings, huge lines of Xs for no reason, huge fonts for no reason where they "shout" things like "PAGES DELIBERATELY LEFT BLANK TO AVOID CONFUSION WITH SOVRAN NATIONS".

And I don't I've ever seen divine angels of light and Interpol discussed in the same doc before...it would be funny and tragic, except that these people are causing quite a bit of problems for Akwesasne.

Wait, found an explanation for kanabosm. It's marijuana, and there's pages of descriptions as to why it's sacred and "majik". Suddenly I see what inspired her...

There's also dozens of pages on the witch hunts in Europe, the Virgin Mary, and the Essenes.

The final few pages show seals and signatures from:
Mary Ann Blachshear -Monarch Matriarch, Most High Maiden Holding the Court of Life, Clerk, Executive Ambassador, Postmaster, Notary, etc
Harriet Blackshear- she's only "Mother of the Most High Maiden" etc etc
Deana Marie Armstrong Blackshear- Sister of the...etc etc
Marie Ernestine Trudeau- Flowing River Amabassador
Marie Bouche- Sunflower Ambassador
Karen Anne McDonald- plain old Ambassador. What happened?
Karen Lynn Trudeau- Diplomatic Minister
Diana Patricia Trudeau- same as sis
Kiriks Scotts Hines Blackshear- The Way Diplomatic Minister
Jessie Walker Tidwell Blackshear- Annointed Ones Spirit Walking Upon the Earth Diplomatic Minister...seriously!

There are about fifteen more people with titles left, each one more ridiculous than the next, sounding like they play too much Dungeons and Dragons, or go to too many Renaissance Fairs.

Musician Billy Joe Green promotes Quinn's nonsense quite a bit.
http://www.myspace.com/billyjoegreen

So does a not too bright rapper, when Quinn all but claimed to be a messiah.
http://www.bboy.org/forums/general-discussion/100519-tribal-teachings-messiah.html
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: NanticokePiney on October 15, 2009, 10:01:05 pm
   Here's one of Meredith Quinn's followers, Billy Joe Green. According to Billy Joe's bio "Meredith is the International Legal Advisor of the Dakota Empire, registered with the United Nations."


 http://www.myspace.com/billyjoegreen

  CRAP! YOU BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH AL!
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Superdog on October 16, 2009, 02:10:43 pm
Here's a thread posted by apukjij about a book coming out about Lester Howse.  Also talks about the Camel's Eye Treaty people.  He's just one guy's opinion, but he's pretty nasty about Howse who he calls "Lester the Mind Molester"

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2360.0

Superdog
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: educatedindian on October 16, 2009, 02:46:02 pm
Oh brother. One of the Camel's Eye people is claiming they got Sarah "Palane" to resign.

Bobbieo seems to be the one reposting an email rather than a CET Nuager.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6677106
Bobbieo (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-01-09 09:39 PM
Original message
A Response from a Camel's Eye person - Re: Camel's Eye Treaty
 
We have confirmation from World Officials that because of our treaty Sarah Palane quit as governor of Alaska 12 hrs after reading the treaty.The emurgency summit was called.

This treaty is about freeing all people from the system of things that has enslaved people for a long time.Look around and see the impoverishment that has been created for controll.

This treaty the original treaty from 408 AD has the solutions for the World problems,this is the treaty all World governments promissed to uphold,obviously they have not.After we exposed their crimes against humanity properly our demands to better humanity are beginning to fall into place.

Another example we had confirmed the dissmanteling of nuclear warheads.Also our recognition from the World Hegue Court.
If anyone is interested in the betterment of humanity this treaty is a must read.It is only 56 pages and will make you sit up and take notice of what is happenning around us.Even the Mohawk lady will not be able to deny Devine and Narural Law.When one enters Devine Tacit Law Court it is not possible to lie.

If you do not wish to read it at present no problem,however I just wanted to enlighten you some,to let you know this is not a hoaks,smoke and mirriors,it is the real deal for the salvation of our species.
You will be seeing many changes shortly that will amaze you and make you wonder why where did that come from.

Signing off for now


http://nativeunity.blogspot.com

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ceman66 (1000+ posts)      Thu Oct-01-09 09:43 PM
Response to Original message
2. I have a hard time believing
 that Sarah Palin actually read something that is 56 pages!

 
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: educatedindian on October 16, 2009, 03:11:18 pm
The CET people threatened a lawsuit vs the Native Unity blog unless everything was taken down in 48 hours. Sounds familiar. I seriously wonder if Nikki and Renz could be working with the CET. The email sent has the same style of writing as Nikki's.

Others strongly criticized by CET include Kahentinetha Horn, editor of Mohawk Nation News.

Native Unity reports that the CET people include Kenneth Kappelmeier. KK has a long involvement with suits vs the state of NY. But so far what I see are claims being made on behalf of him, supposedly to protect him.
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Moma_porcupine on October 16, 2009, 07:14:02 pm
Kahentinetha Horn, editor of Mohawk Nation News has mentioned this group.  Some of what she has written seems a bit on the paranoid side , but I don't know enough to judge..
 
http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2009/10/mnn-perfect-intruder-or-true-friend.html
Mohawk Nation News
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The federal government has become the main domestic covert repressor using hired thugs, right wing vigilantes, private military organizations and police. Local police are the foot soldiers for arrests, raids, beatings and infiltrations.
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False stories are planted. Bogus organizations like the camel toe treaty cult in Akwesasne are set up. Parents, employers, landlords or school officials are strong armed to cause trouble for activists.

http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2009/10/mohawk-nation-news-cointelpro-nuances.html

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Monday, October 12, 2009
Mohawk Nation News: COINTELPRO Nuances
COINTELPRO NUANCES
Mohawk Nation News
http://www.mohawknationnews.com

MNN. Oct. 9, 2009. The Counter Intelligence Program COINTELPRO of the 70s has been adjusted to modern times. In Lakota country in 1974 the US started a political terror, surveillance and control operation to steal uranium for their politically connected corporations. Today intense fear is being produced on Haudenosaunee Territory to steal all of our water, oil, minerals, timber and so on. Colonial tribal and band councils and bogus Indian groups work alongside them.

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Notice outside insurgents, like the Camel Toe Treaty. They were parachuted into Akwesasne promoting whacko [Egyptian influenced cult] ideas to confuse, control and disorient. Webmaster, Alice-in-Blunderland, conducts the two principle Mohawk recruiters we will call Karnak and Fawzi Amir to get us to join them.

quote from Cornwall free news article linked to above

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More and more residents are renouncing their status cards and essentially renouncing their citizenship in Canada so as to assert their land claims and rights from the Camel’s Eye Treaty.

http://letstalknativepride.blogspot.com/2009/09/false-prophets-looking-for-large.html
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They seem to have taken over the Akwesasne Women's Fire website with full coverage of the Larry Thompson Show.
This appears to be true

http://www.akwesasnewomensfire.com/akwesasne/onkwehonwe-view-of-the-camel-eye-treaty/

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I remember when I first heard of the Camel Eye Treaty, back in June 2009.

(con...)

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As a result of my curiosity about the Camel Eye Treaty and how it pertains to current events, I’ve spent the past few months looking at any knowledge I can find about it. Some of the topics I’ve been looking at include

    * The Orion Prophecy
    * Hieroglyphs
    * Astrology as it pertains the location of Pyramids ** see the orion prophecy
    * Egyptology
    * Eye of Isis
    * Obelisk in New York City, behind the Metropolitan Museum
    * Symbology
    * Black’s Law 1st Edition :   research the origins of today’s english language
    * The Berbers
    * Antique Maps and how our current maps are actually altered creations by a known convicted document altercation expert.  Our current Maps are lies from the British governments of USA, Canada, British North American Act.

(con...)

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We all know about the forced assimilation tactics that were done to our parents, grandparents, and ancestors.  The British Queen hired many starving thugs to trick us, the Original Beings of Americos, into self-induced oppression, with hopes of stealing everything here and killing all Onkwehonwe.

So, it certainly makes sense to me, that it is quite possible that we still must fight to attain and to maintain knowledge of our true origins.  It also makes sense to me that our ancestors have frequently changed their ‘names’ over the years as a survival tactic.

(con...)

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I believe it is also worth our time to discover the commonalities with our Creation stories and compare those to Egyptology topics that are not government controlled knowledge.

O:nen ki:wahi,

Monica

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About Akwesasne Womens Fire
[Translate] AkwesasneWomensFire.com was setup and is managed by Monica Peters.

I've been reading through some of this and the whole thing is so totally nutty it sounds completely crazy .

Some of the writing style does remind me of the NAFPS poster Nikki

What reading this made me wonder is how anyone in their right mind could possibly believe any of this - especially members of the real Mohawk community.

In trying to find a rational explanation for this i am at a bit of a loss

Theory number 1

This has gotta be a joke

Theory number 2

Most of the people involved are really government infiltrators ( this is a theory being suggested by several articles in Mohawk Nations News )

i'm not sure why government infiltrators would want to do this . I guess it could be a psychological tactic to make other crazy claims seem less crazy by comparison .

Theory number 3 ( which could fit with theory number 2 )

Someone has discovered something about people's brains , maybe something like if a light is flashed at a certain frequency , it's possible to tell people absolutely anything , and be believed. Maybe the next stage of this experiment will be to tell certain groups of politically undesirable peoples that the deepest part of the ocean bottom is their divine home. Soon these folks will all be happily marching to their death at the bottom of the sea.

Yeah I know that sounds crazy, but not as crazy as the Camel Eye Treaty ...

Theory number 4

I just don't get it ...

(edited because I had two theory # 3's and no theory number #4...my poor mind is obviously boggled...)
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Don Naconna on October 16, 2009, 09:47:16 pm
This does sound very much like Niiki, misspelling and bad grammar
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Moma_porcupine on October 16, 2009, 11:03:28 pm
I keep reading all these mind bogglingly detailed legal explanations about what this is all about. I can't follow any of them -  I would be surprised if anyone else can.

So , here is a really dumb question about the most basic premise . Is there any historical recorded evidence that a "Camel Eye/ Eagle Bowl" Treaty actually exists?

Where has this so called Camel Eye or Eagle Bowl Treaty been mentioned anywhere except in recent history and by people involved at Akwesasne ?

If this Treaty isn't mentioned in any historical text, is it recorded somewhere?

If it is recorded somewhere , where is this original manuscript or mentions of this located now ?

If this Treaty is recorded somewhere ,why does no one seem to be quoting / transcribing what they think it says?

If it isn't recorded , how do people claim to know it existed, and that this treaty was signed July 2nd 408 A.D. ?

If this treaty has any reality at all , regardless of how people interpret it, all these questions must have answers...
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: ny1 on October 17, 2009, 01:13:34 pm
there's a video on on Youtube regarding this.

Search for Kanietakeron may 31st part 1 camel's Eye treaty

I tried to link it but couldn't find a regular link.   
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: educatedindian on October 17, 2009, 03:19:01 pm
....Is there any historical recorded evidence that a "Camel Eye/ Eagle Bowl" Treaty actually exists?

Where has this so called Camel Eye or Eagle Bowl Treaty been mentioned anywhere except in recent history and by people involved at Akwesasne ?

If this Treaty isn't mentioned in any historical text, is it recorded somewhere?

If it is recorded somewhere , where is this original manuscript or mentions of this located now ?

If this Treaty is recorded somewhere ,why does no one seem to be quoting / transcribing what they think it says?

If it isn't recorded , how do people claim to know it existed, and that this treaty was signed July 2nd 408 A.D. ?

If this treaty has any reality at all , regardless of how people interpret it, all these questions must have answers...

It's basically a lot of gibberish influenced by Nuage and by Afrocentric conspiracy theories that look to have come from Moorish Science or Nation of Islam types. It also seems pretty influenced by the militia and sovereign citizen movements on the far right. All of them have in common imagining there's some magic document no one's ever found before that will make all their wishes come true.

It seems like they deliberately choose to pull out one bizarre invented "fact" after another to drive away anyone who actually knows any history or law. Much like we've seen before with the Washitaws, the "Erie Moundbuilders", the Deer Tribe, or some of the fake prophecy people.'

Breaking down the falsehoods on signatoryindians.com and elsewhere:

1. "This treaty is known as the Treaty of the Camels Eye, The Eye of Isis and The Eagle Bowl Treaty, and it was signed July 2nd 408 A.D. upon the surrender of the Roman Empire."

Why would a treaty supposedly a thousand years before Columbus affect NDNs? Why would it be named after camels or Isis? Obvious Moorish Science influence. And Rome fell in 476, not 408. It didn't "surrender" either. It was smashed one last time.

2. "The Foundation Of International Law....the Six Aboriginal Treaties that are the Foundation of all International Law.” [Meredith Quinn - International Legal Advisor, of the Dakota Empire, registered with the United Nations.]
There are six aboriginal treaties that are the foundation for all international law,"

False. International law came much, much later. It's generally regarded as having started with the treaties that end the Napoleonic Wars.

3."*Peace Pipe Treaties [These treaties cover all Indian Tribes of North and South America]
*The Seal of Solomon Treaty [Covers all Blacks, Arabs and Israelites]
*The Paladium of Troy Treaty [Covers Asia and Minor Asia]
*Noah’s Ark Treaty [Covers all Anglia, Saxon, Mercia and Northumbrian Groups or The White Tribes of Europe]"

Where to begin? Peace pipes aren't used by many tribes, and many tribes never signed any treaties at all. The Seal of Solomon referred to his authority, not any treaty. The Palladium (with two ls) was in Athens, not Troy. No such place as Minor Asia. There is Asia Minor. Why would a treaty be named after Noah's Ark and why would it have anything to do with NDNs? And why are only the ancient peoples of England mentioned as "white tribes of Europe"? Where are the Germans, French, etc?

4. "Canada is a Defacto type government or Corporation and is registered on the stock markets of the world as such."

De facto just means "in fact." I dare them to show me Canada as a corporation on Wall Street.

5. "...remember at the time Rome surrendered it’s power in 408 A.D., England was given the responsibility of fulfilling the articles of the Camel’s Eye Treaty, because England was the second Rome."

Oh brother. England was a minor province of the Roman Empire. Most of it was never even conquered by the Romans.

6. "The ROMAN EMPIRE included the Crown of England, France and Spain. To this day, should you follow the bloodlines of the ROYAL FAMILIES, you will find them to be the descendants of the OLD ROMAN EMPIRE or the ROMAKOS who are the descendants of GREEK ROYALTY."

Roman dynasties end with the end of empire. The British and Greek dynasties are both German in origin.

7. "The RULE OF LAW binding these treaties is followed letter perfect today, and should a SIGNATORY TRIBAL GOVERNMENT be re-established, as it was in 1995, (see THE EXACT PEOPLE OF THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS) it would protect itself by asserting jurisdiction to stop any type of government from imposing it’s laws and jurisdiction over the Tribal Members."

Rule of law certainly isn't followed letter perfect or we'd see the treaties actually enforced.

The only references I could find to Exact People of the Rocky Mountains come from the CET people.

8. "When the Beda [Bedea] Scholars of England rewrote and retranslated the Christian Bible in the 1500’s from the old version of 451 A.D., they purposely omitted one complete book"

The only mentions I could find of Beda scholars come from the CET people. The Bible's been translated a number of times.
 
9. "...and the name of this book can be found in the new Bible-Numbers 21:14. The Monarchy of any Tribal Government are called: Angels; Daughters of the Great Spirit or Pure Light."

What a conspiracy theory about the Bible has to do with NDNs is anyone's guess.

10. "To be a member of a Signatory Tribe, you must belong to a clan that is ruled by a Clanmother who appoints Chiefs to speak on behalf of her clan. The entire Tribe ruled by Clanmothers, Angels, Pure Light, or Daughters of the Great Spirit, become the Title Owners of the Sovereign Territories."

Right, I'm really sure that the federal govt required NDN women to be recognized as angels of light before they'd sign treaties.

11. "The exception to this are the 5,6, and 7 Nations that were Indian Tribes created by George Washington"

Washington somehow created tribes?

12. "who signed Treaties with them trying to replace the power of the Clanmothers of the Iroquois Confederacy.The original Iroquois Confederacy was 52 Nations .[People for the State of New York –v- Boots; Co, Ct. N. Y. ]"

52 Iroquois nations? It's amazing how they just called every keeper of Haudenosaunee tradition a liar.

13. "According to Tribal Custom and Usage, all children born are Signatory and until they reach the age of accountability, where they place their allegiance often makes them Ambiguous Indians with a Quasi-Sovereign position. Ambiguos; meaning doubtful if they are Indians. As there is doubt caused by their own admission, they become Quasi-Sovereign. [They may appear so, but are not Sovereign.] Elk-v-Wilkins. Corporate Charters, called Indian Governments,[Band Council elective system], legally defined, are Autonomy Governments which comes from the Greek [Autosnomous-Self Rule,] legally means a Self-Governing state, community or group, subject to another Supreme Sovereignty. This type of system has omitted the true Landlord of the Territories, who are the Women of the Clans.  Presented by Wapo Piesew as taught by Meredith Quinn"

Oh brother. A court case supposedly decides if an NDN child is NDN according to NDN traditions?
 
14. "From the records of the Federal - Provincial Arbitrations (Unsettled Accounts Arbitration), Indian Claims, Robinson Treaties, Vol. 5, entered in the Department of Indian Affairs, January 12, 1897: The Hon. J.J. Curran, Q.C., Solicitor General for Canada:"

And this is where they seem to be claiming this secret treaty supposedly is.
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: educatedindian on October 17, 2009, 03:25:26 pm
there's a video on on Youtube regarding this.

Search for Kanietakeron may 31st part 1 camel's Eye treaty

I tried to link it but couldn't find a regular link.   

Does anyone know who this man is speaking in all the videos? Except the last.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J-479EaojM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH7zuzkbjuc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kk05AAADN4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-TykNS-FCA
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: educatedindian on October 17, 2009, 03:33:15 pm
This is Monica Peters describing how she came to believe in the CET. Elsewhere on her site she rejects the claim of being a cult member.

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http://www.akwesasnewomensfire.com/akwesasne/camel-eye-treaty-akwesasne-onkwehonwe/

Camel Eye shares knowledge around Akwesasne

I remember when I first heard of the Camel Eye Treaty, back in June 2009. I was involved in a late night discussion with a new group of people that I did not know very well yet. We were talking about personal experiences, world events, dream symbolism, and astrology.

I’ve since had hundreds more discussions and experiences regarding the Camel Eye Treaty and how it affects Onkwehonwe in Akwesasne. Some of my friends are angry to hear about it, others are curious, others are a little scared, some are confused, some are hopeful, others laugh, and others choose to not think about it.

When I first heard about the Camel Eye Treaty, I was very tired and confused. My brain could not even process the information and how it pertained to my life today. I am very curious to learn every day, so I decided to start researching the topic.

As a result of my curiosity about the Camel Eye Treaty and how it pertains to current events, I’ve spent the past few months looking at any knowledge I can find about it. Some of the topics I’ve been looking at include

The Orion Prophecy
Hieroglyphs
Astrology as it pertains the location of Pyramids ** see the orion prophecy
Egyptology
Eye of Isis
Obelisk in New York City, behind the Metropolitan Museum
Symbology
Black’s Law 1st Edition :   research the origins of today’s english language
The Berbers
Antique Maps and how our current maps are actually altered creations by a known convicted document altercation expert.  Our current Maps are lies from the British governments of USA, Canada, British North American Act.

We all know about the forced assimilation tactics that were done to our parents, grandparents, and ancestors.  The British Queen hired many starving thugs to trick us, the Original Beings of Americos, into self-induced oppression, with hopes of stealing everything here and killing all Onkwehonwe.

So, it certainly makes sense to me, that it is quite possible that we still must fight to attain and to maintain knowledge of our true origins.  It also makes sense to me that our ancestors have frequently changed their ‘names’ over the years as a survival tactic.

Today our enemy is in the mirror as we communicate with the english language terms that are specifically designed for a final assimilation into full usa, canada, and british north american act citizenship.

In times of War,  the healthiest minds will often go underground to survive and to ensure knowledge is not completely obliterated by malicious destroyers.

I don’t have enough time to go into great detail for readers here, so I will do my best to provide enough information so that you can find your own way through the clues that exist for us to all discover and experience for ourselves.

I believe it is also worth our time to discover the commonalities with our Creation stories and compare those to Egyptology topics that are not government controlled knowledge.

O:nen ki:wahi,

Monica
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: educatedindian on October 17, 2009, 03:37:01 pm
Trying to track down who owns all these sites and is the authors and what their motives are is not easy.

One more site of theirs finally gives a contact address.

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http://www.sovranunitynations.com/nations-flag/PDF-Public-Release-Notice-to-The-Queen-and-Pope-7-2-09.pdf

Divine Creator Ordained Sovran Signatory Clan-Mothers Daughter Of The Great Spirit Of The Divine Supreme In Law Tacit Court For The Sovran Unity Nations Embassy

Sovran Signatory Clan-Mothers Of The Divine Supreme In Law Tacit Court For The Sovran Unity Nations Embassy 870 South Main Street Suite 106, Lakeport, California [95464], 707-413-8999 sovran.unity.nations.embassy.13@live.com

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This just gets stranger and stranger, but it looks more than likely the ones behind the CET claims are not Six Nations, though possibly NDN.

The address of this "embassy" is a lakeside home in northern California, near Mendocino State Park and NW of Sacramento. The city is over 90% white, less than 2% lised as Native. The Pomo have rancherias, federally recognized tribes not too far, but not within the city.
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Smart Mule on October 17, 2009, 04:38:35 pm
I believe the guy is David Fadden aka Kanietakeron.
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: educatedindian on October 17, 2009, 11:24:36 pm
Thanks, found this on him. Basically he seems to be yet another naive artist endorsing what they claim rather than any big player.
http://www.akwesasnewomensfire.com/akwesasne/kanietakeron-gives-message-to-usa-border-patrol-agents/
http://www.randomhouse.com/author/results.pperl?authorid=105825

The Sovran bunch are basically a mix of the militia movement, survivalist,, secessionist, and altmedicine types, with some Greens thrown in.

One of the names on the site is Ernestine Trudeau, who claims to be an Anishnaabe elder, no rez or reserve mentioned, who parrots quite a bit from the sovereign citizen and militia movements.

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http://www.sovranunitynations.com/eng/history.html
Our History

....Later on when we got older I began to ask my Dad questions like Why we as Anishinabek had to live this way? 

....In 1933 the people of North America were pledged as chattel slaves to the bankrupt creditor in the  Corporate City of London , which is owned by the Corporate holy empire in the Vatican. When we were born we are all registered as “intellectual property’” and registered as wards of the Crown or State.  When we are born some of us are baptized and our parents are given a birth certificate.  If you were born in a hospital your parents are asked to register their ‘baby’.  The Registration of Live Birth form is the official Provincial record of the birth and registration of the child’s ‘legal’ name. They used ‘legal’ instead of ‘lawful’.  There is a big difference between the two.  They will tell you it is the Provincial record and that it is not yours.  The word baby also has changed to ‘child’  The ‘child’ is a Person.  A Person is a fiction or artificial entity created by the government, church or state.  A baby is a flesh and blood and spirit and was co-created by your parents and the Creator.  The birth certificate is also a document of Title, field warehouse receipt, or bond. *A Birth Certificate is a negotiable instrument, a registered security, a stock certificate, representing preferred stock of the Corporation and against which you are the surety.*

Canada is a Corporation and is registered in the stock exchange with a registered number 0000230098 in the Security Exchange Commission in Washington DC. Ontario is registered in the U.S. S.E.C number 0000074615 and listed as a Crown Employee/Corporate Entity/vassel/Trustee/Debtor/Cestui Que Trust. In Canada the original birth certificate is generally created at the Provincial level.  The Birth certificate from the hospital receives $$$ from the province which is then passed on the Provincial and Federal level and likely elsewhere.  The government uses the birth certificates as security to obtain loans from the creditor which is bankrupt. According to one researcher for one of the world’s largest brokerage houses he discovered that in the year 1936 each American birth certificate was assigned a value of $630,000.00.  The birth certificates today carry a value of $1,000,000.00.  The Ministry of Finance then takes out a loan of $1-Million then purchases a bond and invests it in the stock market. The collateral for the loan for the bond issued against the birth certificate is YOU the person, your body, labor and property.  The freeborn child is sold into Slavery UNKNOWINGLY by his/her parents in exchange for elementary and secondary education, welfare, health care and other institutional care.
 
Whenever you sign your name on a document in full caps you are agreeing to represent the fiction/artificial person, JANE DOE. Anything to do with Government will be in full caps, like a Drivers License, Social Insurance Number, Credit card bill, Tax Bill.  The fiction person on your Tax bill is not you but is a Government created fiction person....

It is written in the prophesies that a group of conscientious individuals would find each other and come together and form an New Alliance between the races of Mother Earth.  This is written in our prophesies.

As a result of teleconference calls from all over North America we have answered the call.
Written by Elder Ernestine Trudeau

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More conspiracy stuff, with some long ago discredited altmedicine thrown in. They also want to make their own license plates and IDs like militia groups. They remind me of the Little Shell Pembinas, without the weapons.

http://www.sovranunitynations.com/eng/mission.html
Our Mission

Mission Statement....

Our Departments of Technolgy & Resources for all Nations....   

For the administration regarding the Embassy at the core level, there is:  the Administration Council, The Administration Secretariat, The Divine Creators Supreme Court, The Public Relations & Communications department, our seminars & Conference department, The Services for the Embassy ID Cards & Car Plates, IRS & CRA, Security, Formation and Guiding Department for all new Ambassadors, Senior of Justice and Council for all new Nations on Board with SNEME. 

For the Resources, there is: our Eco Housing and Renewable Resources Department, Food Resources, Motorcar & Transportation, Land & Natural Resources, Water Systems, Telecommunications Department, Hemp Industry, Energy & Technology, and our Agriculture Farming & Earth Healing.

For the Funding, there is: Our Trust & Finance Department, Insurance, Barter & Traditional Exchange, Our Currency Department, and the fundraising.

For the Personal Services offered to all Stewards, there is: The Health and Self Wellness Department, Sovran Education Department, Steward Participation, Auto Governance Guiding, Spiritual Teaching, Information Center & Seminars and our Social Community Services.

Quantum Healing Technology

Quantum mysticism is a colloquialism that refers to a broad collection of metaphysical theories, concepts, practices, and philosophical interpretations, centered on the ontological impacts of physics at the quantum scale. Ranging from mysticism to pseudoscience, it is loosely related to the philosophy of physics raised by the interpretation of quantum mechanics, making it distinct from the science, mathematics, physics, and humanities involved in those interpretations.
The section for Quantum Physics and Information Technology designs quantum physics materials and processes to be used in sensors and information technology.

           We have develop and produced healing tools for all Stewards on Board at SNEME, like Orgonite Pendant with powerful healing technology inspired by Reich & Tesla , and also the new Scalar technology,  several knowledge’s   were  combined into a new technology now available at our Embassy for the People.
          Healing Machines to cure cancer and other diseases were designed, as well as Energy Auto Charging Device to restructure the molecules of the OGM Foods being sold to all countries by the Corporations & Governments, in order to give back the Natural energetic values and propriety to all foods for the best interests of the individuals....     

Written by Brian Sawer-Foner, Ernestine Trudeau and Mario Antonacci

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Sawer Foner is a grad student and Green candidate in McGill Canada.
http://www.mcgill.ca/reporter/33/08/green/

Antonacci is their "chief justice." He's also an entertainer who calls himself the "World's Craziest Man." You can't make this stuff up.
http://marioantonacci.com/

On the Sovran site he gives bad legal advice straight from the sovereign citizen movement on how to make yourself autonomous as a "steward" of theirs.
http://www.sovranunitynations.com/eng/Downloads.html

They use false prophecies from a Who's Who of frauds, Adam "Yellowbird," Roy Steevensz, and Aurelio Diaz.
http://www.sovranunitynations.com/eng/prophecies.html

For various fees from 50 bucks to 300 bucks plus annual fees of 12 more bucks, you can get different ID cards of theirs. Great investment.... ::)
http://www.sovranunitynations.com/eng/donations.html

Their store is altmed, including pyramids and "implant killers." Someone needs to tell them The Matrix was just a movie...
http://www.sovranunitynations.com/orgone_energy/
 
Here's all the places claiming to be embassies.

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http://www.sovranunitynations.com/eng/contact.html
Central Office for Canada & International Issues, Contact Information and Tacit in Law of the Supreme Court of Earth:   

697 Cadillac

Montreal, Quebec, Canada, H1N 2T2 

1-514-313-6085



Central Office for U.S.A. & International Issues, Contact Information and Tacit in Law of the Supreme Court of the Earth:   

 

P.O. Box 151, Round-up, Montanna, USA, 59072 

1-406-855-9729



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Our Departments:

Free Energy & Technology for the People :



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Official Embassy Card & Car Plate of the Nations:



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Resources & Food:

Mr. Mario Antonacci



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Funding & Financial Administration:

Chartered Accountant Mr. Frank Laposta



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Education Department:



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Hemp Industry

Mr. Reg Wonan



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Security Department:

Mr. Jean Pierre Bouchard



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If you have any Questions or inquiries :

Public Relations Mrs. Sylvia Gibb


 


 
 Other Satellite Embassies

Canada

Alberta

 
British Columbia

 
Ontario

Ohswegen/ Six Nations Mohawk Territory
Ambassador: Bill Squire
 

Southern Ontario Central office,
Ambassador: Gerry Trudeau
58 Concession St. Havelock, Ontario
K 0 L  1 Z 0
 
Ottawa Nation , in Ontario Manitoulin Island

Ambassador for Ottawa :
Richard F. Corbiere, from Wikwemikong,
2392 Wiky Way in Wikwemikong.
email is spiritbear2010@hotmail.com
Quebec

Ambassador for Quebec Province:
Jean Pierre Bouchard
699 Cadillac, Montreal, Quebec, Canada, H1N 2T2
1-514-313-6085

 
Montreal Wolverine Group :
Ambassador for Montreal: Mario Antonacci
695 Cadillac, Montreal, Quebec,Canada
H1N 2T2
1-514-267-3331

Les Cri de l'Ascension
Ambassador for Ascension: Carole

 
Les Algonquins de Maniwaki
Ambassador for Maniwaki:
Brian Sawyer

 

Mohawk d'Oka
Ambassador for Oka: Patricia Delisle

Mohawk de Khanawake
Les Ours de Beloeil
Les Patriotes de Québec

Gaspésia
Ambassador for Gaspésia:
Gilles Baril
Manitoba

Saskatchewan

North Battleford Nation:
Ambassador: Reg Wonan
C-O- 1192-109 Street, North Battleford, Saskatchewan , Canada , S9A 2E6
1-306-407-0402
 
MooseJaw Nation:
Ambassadors: Brent Mitchel & Gary West

 
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USA

Arkansas

Ambassador for Arkansas:
Frank Trudeau
Southwest Office,  address is 147 Flathead Dr., Cherokee Village,  AR . , USA, 72529

Phone: 870-257-2427     
 
California

Ambassador for California Nation:


 
Florida

Michigan
Montana

Sherperd Nation
Ambassador for Sherperd Nation:
Ted Shinneman
6820 Curby Road, Sherperd, Montana, USA
Zip 59079


 
Nebraska

New York
Texas

Lakota Nation
Ambassador for Lakota Nation:
Lyle Christensen
5014 Presidio, Garland
Texas, 75043
1-214-434-7255
 
Hawaii

Ambassador for Hawaii:


 
 

 
 
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And the groups they link to, mostly altmed and what look to be militia groups.
FreedomFiles.org Organization

UnitedNationsOfTurleIsland Federation

LiveH2O Organization

AllYouCanFind Web Posting & Publicity

SaneDomains Web Hosting & Name Registrar

Emli Construction Contracteur for the Orgone Energy Housing (Eco-Housing)
LiFeLineDomes Dome Housing against storms...
MyWayOut Organization for help for those who have alcoholism ...
The Quebec Patriotic Milita The Quebec Patriotic Militia, also called MPQ, is an organization of territorial defense, in charge of serving and to protect the body of the people of the Quebec as well as the body of his territory. The basic objective is to offer a force of structured intervention that will be able, with a maximum of effective ones, furnish the relief of material order and morale in case of disaster caused by a natural catastrophe, internal disturbances as the rupture of the essential services, or protect against an aggressor or an invader that would want to assimilate the people or rob its wealths and the one of his territory. (418) 997-6515
De Tax Canada Forum, and informations on your rights at birth...
 

 

Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: educatedindian on October 17, 2009, 11:48:24 pm
A couple things stand out about the Sovran bunch. Many are part of Quebec separatist groups. Others I'm not sure what to make of, like a "Sherperd Nation" or a Lakota embassy in Garland TX. Plus the "Arkansas nation" embassy being based in the "Cherokee village" a tourist site that is part of Manatak, isn't it?

Other sites promoting the CET.

Simran Raphael.
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=377658545&blogId=499368668

Facebook site from the pagans/Nuagers on Freedom Files.
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2248439952&topic=10548

Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: dabosijigwokush on October 18, 2009, 01:46:10 am
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Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Moma_porcupine on October 20, 2009, 10:58:46 am
http://www.signatoryindians.com/Purpose.htm

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This treaty is known as the Treaty of the Camels Eye, The Eye of Isis and The Eagle Bowl Treaty, and it was signed July 2nd 408 A.D.

The website below also talks about this Camel's Eye / Eagle Bowl / Eye of Isis Treaty. 

http://sovrantuscaroranation.com/

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The words  “ Signatory  Indian “ definition:  signals  that their  is indeed,  Sovran Indian Autonomy, with  an  equal  governing  status  and  irrevocable jurisdiction that is possessed inherently  by  a Sovran Indian Nations,  Tribes,  and   all their  people  are  FLESH, BLOOD and  BONE  LIVING   HUMAN BEINGS , this  also applies  to  all the descendents of Sovran “signatory  Indians”, that have signed  Sacred Pacts,  Treaties  or other  International  legal  types  of  documents.

This also  verifies  that the Indians  of the Western Hemisphere: are the  true Sovran  ” signatory Indian”  nations , tribes and people ,   possessing  an advanced civilization that operates  with  sacred intent , with an cultured  people,  sincerely  fulfilling their sacred duty to the Creator,  by peacefully and  continually  taking  care of their  language, culture,  environment ,  women,  children  and  future generations ,  these  “ signatory Indian “ actions have  been agreed upon , signed, and recorded  through the sacred powers of the Clan Mothers,  Wampum,  Peace Pipes and Canes of Authority .

  The colonizers have signed:  living treaties and lasting sacred agreements with the true territorial landlords, and the colonizers generations are obliged to fulfill these contracts with the original people of this sacred land. The western hemisphere Indian peoples are covered by the stipulations of the Treaty of Guadalupe /Aldelgo   and the Eye of Isis Treaty and these signatories cannot become citizens of any of these foreign newcomer governments.

The  Guadalupe /Aldelgo Treaty  and the Eye of Isis Treaty, is a further  verification of  the independence, autonomy and  generosity  of the Americus Empire , as gifted  to the Sovran , by the Creator   and  further ,   of the six treaties  that make up the foundations of  international law; three cover and  come from Indian peoples, the  Wampum Belt Treaties,  Peace Pipe Treaties,   Canes of Authority  Treaties  and the other  three   are :  Noah’s Arc Treaty ( White tribes),   Seal of Solomon Treaty  ( Black Tribes ) and the  Palladium of Troy Treaty( Asia, Asia Minor Tribes)

It is from these  six international treaties that the word “ signatory Indian “ flows from,  it  is one of the foundations of  The Sovran Tuscarora Nation  autonomous  activities for the clan mothers, children, environment , the great law of peace and future generations.

     Skaroreh Manifesto
                                                           

Skaroreh - “Hemp Gathers of the Submerged Pines” - ancient homeland of the Tuscarora Nation, whose descendants, with traditional natives from other Indian nations, are moving back to repossess their natural heritage. Other native nations throughout the world have regained their lands and gov­ernments. The North American traditionalists are sure that the Government of the United States and its general public shall see the justice and the rights of the American Indian people to such a move.

Skaroreh shall be the home of the traditional Red man. Here, according to the rights accorded everyone else in the world, the Red man shall exercise his proven government and society according to his culture, customs and traditions. According to the rights of the human, he has the right to operate his state with no interference from any foreign nation or government. Here the people shall live according to the rules of nature. Here the Great Law of the Iroquois Confederacy shall prevail. The people shall live off the land. The co-op system of economy shall prevail. Instead of the people competing with each other, they shall help and co-operate with each other. Here, they shall relearn the superior morality of the ancients.
( article continues...)

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The Tuscarora Signatory Indian Tribe maintains 400 acres of land located on the Black River Indian Reservation. It is a community of Ongwehonweh of Tuscarora / Iroquois descent who choose to remain sovereign and free from subjugation by the whims of the Federal US government. The Tuscarora Signatory Indian Tribe assents to joint jurisdiction of the Black River Indian Reservation with the Tuscarora Nation of the Black River. Their desire is to remain free and independent of US federal jurisdiction, as their sovereignty has never been surrendered, nor has their tribal jurisdiction. The Tuscarora Signatory Indian Tribe is "Case Law Recognized  as an Indian Tribe, and has been continually affirmed by the International Community as remaining a sovereign nation. The General Council of Tuscarora Signatory Indian Tribe in Michigan felt it necessary to develop services and benefits for its members within Michigan and all other Tuscarora Signatory Indian Tribe Citizens to ensure the survival of the Tuscarora Signatory Indian Tribe as an "Independent Domestic Nation."

Wikipedia lists the federally recognized and Federally unrecognized Tuscarora groups , but it doesn't seem to list this group which says it is located in Northren Michigan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuscarora_(tribe)

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Government-recognized Tuscarora bands

    * Tuscarora Nation at Lewiston, New York
    * Tuscarora at Six Nations of the Grand River, Ontario, Canada

[edit] Tuscarora bands without government recognition

There are several bands, groups, and organizations without federal recognition:

    * Skaroreh Katenuaka at Tosneoc Village in Elm City, North Carolina
    * Southern Band Tuscarora Indian Tribe at Windsor, North Carolina
    * Hatteras Tuscarora at Cape Fear, North Carolina
    * Tuscarora Nation of Indians of the Carolinas at Maxton, North Carolina
    * Skaroreh Katenuaka Nation at Robeson County, North Carolina

Is this group recognized as a legitimate Tuscarora Nation?

When I did a search on "Tuscarora" and "Black River" I didn't find anything about a tribe except this sovran Tuscarora website...

I did a search on Guadalupe /Aldelgo Treaty
   
all I got was...

   
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SOVRAN TUSCARORA NATION
      The western hemisphere Indian peoples are covered by the stipulations of the Treaty of Guadalupe /Aldelgo and the Eye of Isis Treaty and these signatories ...
      sovrantuscaroranation.com/ - Cached - Similar

And Google asking me ...

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Did you mean to search for: Guadalupe Hidalgo Treaty?

I'm not sure what this Treaty ( Which actually does exist !) would have to do with the 6 Nations ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Guadalupe_Hidalgo

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The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (Tratado de Guadalupe Hidalgo in Spanish) is the peace treaty, largely dictated by the United States[1][2] to the interim government of a militarily occupied Mexico, that ended the Mexican-American War (1846–1848). From the standpoint of the United States, the treaty provided for the Mexican Cession, in which Mexico ceded 1.36 million km² (525,000 square miles; 55%[3] of its pre-war territory, not including Texas) to the United States in exchange for US$15 million (equivalent to $313 million in 2006 dollars). From the standpoint of Mexico, the treaty included Texas as Mexico had never recognized Texan independence nor its annexation by the U.S.

The treaty also ensured safety of pre-existing property rights of Mexican citizens in the transferred territories. Despite assurances to the contrary, property rights of Mexican citizens were often not honored by the United States as per modifications to and interpretations of the treaty.[4][5][6] The United States also agreed to take over $3.25 million ($68 million in 2006 dollars) in debts Mexico owed to American citizens.

I also see they are trying to create ( or already have established ) some sort of global offshore financial center ... (?)

http://sovrantuscaroranation.com/8485.html

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About Sovran Tuscarora Nation Public Registry and global  financial alternative Center

Sovran Tuscarora Nation is physically located in Northern Michigan, situated off the Great Lakes area. Just hours by car from Detroit, Sovran Tuscarora Nation will be home to major global banks and trust companies, investment and mutual fund managers, as well as leading international accounting, legal and consulting firms. The foundation for Sovran Tuscarora Nation's success as a global offshore financial center is the Tuscarora government's commitment to providing an environment conducive to international commerce and investing.

As a sovereign indigenous nation and the world's oldest democracy, Sovran Tuscarora Nation is an independent state within the United States of America. Sovran Tuscarora Nation is noted for its political stability and natural and common law traditions, Sovran Tuscarora Nation are committed to the free enterprise system and to the maintenance of the territory as a major offshore financial centre.

The Tuscarora government is committed to maintain the nation's low-tax status, which will be responsible for its continuing attraction to international corporations and individual investors. The Wampum is the name of the currency used for personal and business transactions. Sovran Tuscarora Nation also has tax treaties with many of the major industrialized nations.

Besides its being physically located within North America, political stability and the efficiency of its financial institutions, Sovran Tuscarora Nation is the ideal environment for individuals and corporations because of its well-established infrastructure of highly trained professionals in banking, accountancy and the law, as well as its sophisticated and efficient telecommunications network.

Protect Your Assets in a Foundation

The Private Interest Foundation Law of Sovran Tuscarora Nation is based an the Sovran Tuscarora Nation Trust Law (# 2007) as well as the Liechtenstein Family Foundation Law of the Principality of Liechtenstein in Europe. The Elders and Clan Mothers have recently approved Law No. 7 of January 11, 2007, whereby private interest foundations are regulated.

A Sovran Tuscarora Nation Foundation is, in essence, very similar to a trust in its structure. A foundation is an independent legal entity with which assets may be irrevocably vested; those assets then belong to the foundation which may do with them what it pleases provided that the guidelines of the foundation charter are complied with.

Foundations should technically exist for non-profit purposes, however, a foundation may carry out commercial activities in its own right as long as the profits there are for the foundation's stated purpose, which can be very wide ranging. Alternatively, a foundation may act as a "holding company" and own shares in either a Sovran Tuscarora Nation or other national company, which in turn carry out trading activities. Again the profits derived from these trading entities must be used for the foundation’s purpose.
(article continues...)

I don't know enough about finacial stuff to know what they are talking about...

But as the 6 Nations have very legitimate claims to be sovereign Nations, and are struggling to have this respected, I can see where it would be annoying if some people are confusing this by saying the strongest reason to respect the  sovereignty of the 6 Nations, is based in non existent Treaties...

WHOIS results for sovrantuscaroranation.com
      

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Registrant:
 Contactprivacy.com
 96 Mowat Ave
 Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
 CA
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: educatedindian on October 20, 2009, 02:17:01 pm
Basically this sovran group hopes to become an offshore banking site. Someone cynical might say they hope to attract money laundering operations. Certainly there's the danger it could be used as such. I'm not at all sure about the legality of such an effort. Since they are not really recognized as SOVEREIGN (heck, most Six Nations people probably don't even know they exist, and we can't even find out easily who they are), this strikes me as some kind of militia moneymaking scheme.

More mangled and ignorant claims about history that you found.

"Aldelgo" doesn't mean anything in Spanish. In fact the only thing I could find online were numerous sites in Japanese I couldn't read. So it's just your typical Nuage misspelling designed to make something morer authentic to the gullible and weed out those who know the real history.

The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo doesn't have a thing to do with any "Americus Empire." Very little of it even mentions NDNs, and in the clauses that did, the promises certainly weren't kept. The treaty's name couldn't be a misspelling of an Indian word either. It's a Catholic pilgrimage site in Mexico.

There is a Black River Reservation, but it's a state park in Ohio. The only Black River ON a reservation is in the Apache rez at San Carlos, in Arizona. There is a Six Nations offshoot in Wisconsin, but they're Oneida. And the Tuscarora weren't of the original Iroquois League. They joined in the 1700s, over half a millenia after the Haudenosaunee are founded. There are Tuscarora communities away from their rez in NY, but they're mostly back in the Carolinas, their original homeland.

At contactprivacy.com there is this message:

"Use this site to contact the owner of a domain name protected by the WHOIS Privacy Service. This service protects the privacy of domain name holders in the WHOIS system."
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: educatedindian on October 20, 2009, 03:15:50 pm
Oh hell. Take a look at whose part of this Tuscarora Sovran group.

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http://sovrantuscaroranation.com/8422.html
Tuscarora Nation Chief Judge

Aidun N.C. Naidu, LL.M, UK
American Judges Association #48499
United Nations Association Malaysia - UNAM
Commonwealth Lawyers Association #1770
Presiding Elder, Word in Action Ministry
Founder, WIAM Law College - Syllabus
American Federation of Television & Radio Artists/AFL-CIO #74882
Advisor, Malaysian Aboriginal Association
Chief Judge, Temuan High Court; Jahut High Court

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Now look at this older thread we have.

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http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2208.msg17114#msg17114

Navin Naidu AKA Chief Judge Silver Eagle is the Pembinas’ judge and economic advisor. Naidu was the lawyer for George Speight, who led an unsuccessful coup in Fiji and was charged with treason. Naidu was deported from Fiji for falsely claiming a certificate to practice law.

------------

Is Aidan NC Naidu also Navin Naidu? Some accounts said Navin Naidu was Singaporean, others East Indian. What are the chances of two people from that region of the world both claiming to be judges for NDN tribes that are really militias?

The sovran group is also selling cigarettes online and here.

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http://sovrantuscaroranation.com/8464.html
Tuscarora Signatory Indian Tribe

Iroquois Territory
8999 M68-33.
Onaway Michigan 49765

 phone number
(989) 745-5255

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That phone number?

http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReversePhone?full_phone=%28989%29+745-5255
"(989) 745-5255
This number is a landline based in Grayling, MI and is unpublished."

Why would a tribe use someone's phone in another city, and keep the name hidden? Grayling is not that close to Onaway, it's two counties over.

The city that is supposedly on Iroquois territory?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onaway,_Michigan
"Onaway is a city in Presque Isle County in the U.S. state of Michigan. The population was 933 at the 2000 census....The racial makeup of the city was 96.37% White, 1.31% Native American, and 2.32% from two or more races."

No mention of a tribe in any city pages I say. The city's chamber of commerce page does mention a local Black River famous for trout fishing. The only mention of any NDNs in any page done by local people is that the city's name is from an Ojibwe word.

Contact information is listed here.

http://sovrantuscaroranation.com/8548.html
"Unceded Iroqouis Territory
phone: 910-887-9103"

And guess what?

http://phones.whitepages.com/910-887-9103
"(910) 887-9103 is unpublished
This number is a cell phone based in Lumberton, NC."
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on October 20, 2009, 05:13:09 pm
"This treaty is known as the Treaty of the Camels Eye, The Eye of Isis and The Eagle Bowl Treaty, and it was signed July 2nd 408 A.D."


Can someone explain to me how in 408 A.D. a treaty is signed that also regards NA NDN?  I'm a little lost on this.  I guess I didn't think the ndn's in North America were known or would be involved in something across the world in 408 A.D.  Unless I'm just really missing something?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Moma_porcupine on October 20, 2009, 08:24:29 pm
Monica Peters ( from links and quotes already posted )
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I don’t have enough time to go into great detail for readers here, so I will do my best to provide enough information so that you can find your own way through the clues that exist for us to all discover and experience for ourselves.

I believe it is also worth our time to discover the commonalities with our Creation stories and compare those to Egyptology topics that are not government controlled knowledge.

There is some evidence there may have been ancient trade between North / South America and other continents , and the evidence is intriguing.

People who appear to be scientists have reported finding substantial traces of both nicotine and cocaine in ancient Egyption mummies.

http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/ethnic/mummy.htm

Sweet potatoes are thought to have originated in South America and are found being culitvated in Poynesia from way before Columbus...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A1984421

Chicken bones have been found in South America which date to a couple hundred years before Columbus, and DNA from these bones has some researcher thinking these hens originated in Polynesia

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/05/tech/main2885813.shtml

http://anthropology.net/2008/07/29/ancient-chilean-chicken-may-not-be-of-polynesian-origin/

All these findings are controversial and lead to a lot of unknowns.

There is also pyramids in Peru which appear to have been built about the same time as pyramids in Eygypt or even before.

http://www.athenapub.com/archnew2.htm

In my own opinion, it seems quite likely that in the thousand of years of seafaring peoples that people would occaisionally get blown off course and discover new lands , and find a way to get home and report where they had been. It also seems entirely possible - even likely - that some intentional visits would follow after this and some trade would occur.

And there is definently people in the scientific community who seem to get stuck in their own arrogance , insisting that if something happened and they don't know about it it couldn't possibly have happened.

But it seems when there is a mystery , there are people who rush in to explain things in a way that fits with their own agenda ( or their existing understanding and world view ) . The problem is there seems to be a lot of people who like to  exploit peoples curiousity about stuff nobody really knows, to their own advantage.   

The Vikings are known to have had colonies in North America well before Columbus, but that doesn't mean the Vikings created a Treaty with the indigenous peoples and if it was found it would still be respected today.

Even if there was some ancient trade routes between the continents, it doesn't follow there has been a great conspiracy to cover this up. There was plenty of time, natural disasters, wars ect that could have resulted in whatever records may have existed, being lost.  It also doesn't follow that if there was ancient trade this Camel's Eye Treaty existed, ( and I have yet to see a scrap of evidence it does ).

As educatedindian has repeatedly pointed out, even recent treaties which should be legally binding aren't being respected, so it is hard to understand why anyone would imagine something even older would be...
 
The idea that this treaty would be respected because it is the foundation of all international law seems entirely unrealistic, as no one except people involved in this "sovren" group  seem to have ever heard of it. 

How could international law possibly be founded on a treaty that no one knows exists... ?

And if it does exist, it seems there is many people who would be very interested to know where it is located, how it came to be there, what exactly it says,  and how exactly this sovern group has come to know about it when no one else seems to.

IMO , until this is explained, and the existence of this Treaty can be proven , I think it's safe to assume this Camel Eye treaty is the figment of some persusive persons imagination...     

Just because a few unexplained facts are used , which suggest possible past relationships between the Americas and other continents, doesn't mean everything is so mysterious and inexplicable that this Camel's Eye Treaty is likely to exist too ....
 
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Sizzle Flambé on October 20, 2009, 09:04:47 pm
8. "When the Beda [Bedea] Scholars of England rewrote and retranslated the Christian Bible in the 1500’s from the old version of 451 A.D., they purposely omitted one complete book"

The only mentions I could find of Beda scholars come from the CET people. The Bible's been translated a number of times.

At a wild blue-sky guess, could it mean "scholars on the works of the Venerable Bede (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bede) (Saint Bede, or Beda, 672/673—735)?

I know the quoted assertion's dates don't match, but such an "historical inexactitude" seems par for that course.
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Sizzle Flambé on October 20, 2009, 09:23:53 pm
http://www.sovranunitynations.com/eng/history.html

... They used ‘legal’ instead of ‘lawful’.  There is a big difference between the two. ... The word baby also has changed to ‘child’  The ‘child’ is a Person.  A Person is a fiction or artificial entity created by the government, church or state.  A baby is a flesh and blood and spirit and was co-created by your parents and the Creator.

http://sovrantuscaroranation.com/

The words  “ Signatory  Indian “ definition:  signals  that their  is indeed,  Sovran Indian Autonomy, with  an  equal  governing  status  and  irrevocable jurisdiction that is possessed inherently  by  a Sovran Indian Nations,  Tribes,  and   all their  people  are  FLESH, BLOOD and  BONE  LIVING   HUMAN BEINGS , this  also applies  to  all the descendents of Sovran “signatory  Indians”, that have signed  Sacred Pacts,  Treaties  or other  International  legal  types  of  documents.

Yep, this is typical "Militia"-type rhetoric of the "Sovereign [Sovran] Citizen", that there's a separable difference between the physical human being and the legal person — which is admittedly true in the case of corporations ("legal persons" though not human beings) — and that by renouncing "legal personhood" (meaning one's citizenship in a nation), one is freed from all power of that nation's governmental authority, retaining an original human "sovereignty", essentially an individual Declaration of Independence.

Oddly, these same people don't seem to think other non-citizens (say, illegal immigrants crossing the border) should be free from the Rule of Law. Nor do they assert the rights of other "non-persons" like animals and trees, which may be killed without penalty. So I don't think they've thought this all the way through.

Wikipedia articles:
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on October 20, 2009, 10:49:44 pm
Ok.. so we have here a militia group who has off shore banking... and hiding behind some ancient treaty..    just doesn't seem to add up to anything good brewing over there.

@Moma_porcupine, thanks for the education.. :) 
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Sizzle Flambé on October 21, 2009, 05:39:51 am
4. "Canada is a Defacto type government or Corporation and is registered on the stock markets of the world as such."

De facto just means "in fact." I dare them to show me Canada as a corporation on Wall Street.

As another wild-eyed guess, could they mean RY:NYSE (Royal Bank of Canada) (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?ric=RY)?
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Don Naconna on October 21, 2009, 02:30:44 pm
This group should be moved to fraud. I believe that the Tecumseh Brown Eagle, "Niiki" AKA Renz are probably all tied to this group.
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: E.P. Grondine on October 21, 2009, 07:59:51 pm
PM me for my guide inside the cult archaeology industry and this may start to make some sense to you. Insanity does have a logic all of its own, and in this case these folks are working within a well developed delusional framework.

The ties to militia groups started when David Hatcher Childress began to distribute Duncan Road's NEXUS magazine. The mailing list catalogue operation now runs:

World Explorer Magazine (David Hatcher Childress), Ancient American (Mays, Frank Joseph Collin), NEXUS magazine (Duncan Roads), Atlantis Rising (Doug Kenyon),  Legendary Times (Georgio, Eric von Daniken's North American rep);

and it is now spreading to cable TV channels.

They share their mailing lists. What they do is exploit people's curiosity (Moma Porcupine, you are right about early trade by boat. Thor Heyedahl's work on it  is covered in my own book "Man and Impact in the Americas"), and then exploit their lack of knowledge and fears and confusion to peddle them other nonsense to earn real money.

Take nonsense from all the books distributed by these people, add together, and voila, another fringe group. Sometimes they become dangerous to others, besides the damage done to themselves. At a minimum they are effective in sharing their ignorance.

If anyone learns where John Moss died, please let me know.



Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: educatedindian on October 21, 2009, 09:29:03 pm
This group should be moved to fraud. I believe that the Tecumseh Brown Eagle, "Niiki" AKA Renz are probably all tied to this group.

Overdue to be moved to Frauds, though we still hope for more research done. I'd personally be very surprised if "Niiki" is not involved.
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Don Naconna on October 22, 2009, 04:07:15 pm
I agree, there is just too much similiarity in the writing etc.This is an example of fraud and impersonation, and "Niiki" appears to very good at both. I also think that "Niiki" is non aboriginal, we have all of these so called support groups here, most are legitimate non aboriginal supporters of aboriginal issues such as land claims and settlements. Some do cross the line, as these people have. After seeing the way Niiki went beserk when Renz's family history was exposed as a lie, I reached the conclusion that Renz and Niiki were both non aboriginal and probably one and the same person. I was unable to find anything on anyone at Tyendinaga named "Niiki". I also think the reason Niiki started the thread on Tecumseh Brown Eagle was that he/she didn't want to see a black fraud move his/her fraud out.
These people are really out of touch with historical reality. I googled the Camels Eye Treaty and its all nonsense.
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: uktena on October 23, 2009, 04:51:19 am
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Quote from: educatedindian on October 17, 2009, 09:19:01 AM
8. "When the Beda [Bedea] Scholars of England rewrote and retranslated the Christian Bible in the 1500’s from the old version of 451 A.D., they purposely omitted one complete book"

The only mentions I could find of Beda scholars come from the CET people. The Bible's been translated a number of times.

At a wild blue-sky guess, could it mean "scholars on the works of the Venerable Bede (Saint Bede, or Beda, 672/673—735)?

I know the quoted assertion's dates don't match, but such an "historical inexactitude" seems par for that course.

I haven't a clue who these Beda or Bedea scholars might have been.  My first thought, too, was something to do with the Venerable Bede, but the dates, as you say, don't match.  There were several English translations made in the 1500s, the first being the one by William Tyndale and the last being the Bishop's Bible, which was followed in 1611 by the King James Version.  In between, there were six or seven other translation, none of which had anything to do with something called Bede or Bedea.  

By the "old version of 451", they must mean the Latin Vulgate, which was actually a tad earlier than that, and in any case, most English Bibles were not translated from it.  The only one that was, the Douay Version (the Roman Catholic Church's answer to the Protestants' work), still had no Bede or Bedea associated with it, that I can find.  

As for the name of the book that was supposedly left out in the 1500s, therefore implying that the "old version of 451" included it, they go on to say:  the name of this book can be found in the new Bible-Numbers 21:14.  That would be "The Book of the Wars of the Lord."    Not only was this book not left out by the English translators, it was never included in any Bible, anywhere, at any time, old or new--for the simple fact that it was lost in ancient times.  There are a number of books mentioned or quoted in the Bible which are otherwise unknown.  The Wikipedia article "Lost Works" lists 28 of them.  The one and only quote we have from The Book of the Wars of the Lord is:  "What he did in the Red sea, and in the brooks of Arnon, and at the stream of the brooks that goeth down to the dwelling of Ar, and lieth upon the border of Moab."  I'm not sure what that has to do with the rest of the paragraph where it's referenced, which appears to deal with court cases, tribal hierarchies, and treaty rights.  That passage of  the Bible is part of a simple historical narrative about how the Israelites camped here, then they moved and camped there, then they moved and camped the other place; and the Biblical author mentions in passing that a certain book recorded this.  I'm not sure what the CET people think they're proving by sticking it in.

I haven't read all the posts on this thread, but the ones from this CET group that I've read so far have that special something to them, a kind of hard-to-read earnestness, kitchen-sink argumentation, and quasi-scholarship that I associate with UFO contactees and proponents of weird science.  It's always been an odd phenomenon to me that normal people of average intelligence and ordinary education always seem to be able to catch bad history, ludicrous arguments, and physical impossibilities if these things are presented as fiction.  Present them as non-fiction (or, better, as TRUE facts that have been covered up and suppressed by this or that group of conspirators who REALLY run things, we present the facts and YOU decide for yourself!), and those same people will fall for it, hook, line, and stinker.  :o

EDIT:  After I posted this, I did some reading about the Venerable Bede, and it seems that, good churchman that he was, he wrote commentaries on some of the books of the Bible.  I only knew him as the guy that wrote the first history of England, which is why I didn't think of this sooner.  Maybe the term "Beda (Bedea) Scholars of England" was their way of saying something like "scholars in the intellectual tradition of Bede".  Possible, but it's a stretch, and nobody else, English or otherwise, uses the term. If anything this kind of obtuse wordplay only makes their argument sound sillier, as if that bit about the missing book is not silly enough already.  ::) 
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Don Naconna on October 23, 2009, 01:36:46 pm
What does the Venerable Bede have to do with North America? These people may be connected with some new age Celtic pagans who believe that Celts discovered the Americas. I wouldn't surprised if our old friend Tecumseh's name come up, he'll probably claim to be a direct descendant of the Venerable Bede!
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: uktena on October 24, 2009, 03:31:39 am
All I know for sure is:

The Ven'rable Bede
forgot half of the Creed,
and almost two-thirds
of the Comfortable Words.

I still haven't gotten around to slogging through the CET's documents as presented here, but maybe they state somewhere in all that mess, that Bede's Ecclesiastical History of the English People contains a mention of the Noah’s Ark Treaty--that one "covers all Anglia, Saxon, Mercia and Northumbrian Groups or The White Tribes of Europe", you know, so I'm sure an educated churchman such as himself would know about it.  Another thing I noticed, is that they throw in that bit about the Beda or Bedea scholars of England excluding a book from the Bible, but don't say if they think that's a good thing or a bad thing.  Actually, they don't do anything with that little factoid other than throw it into a paragraph randomly, as if someone suddenly thought about it while he was writing about something else.  Something like how I myself might, in the middle of a conversation, suddenly say:  "Hey, did you know that the world record for the flight of a chicken is thirteen seconds?"
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: uktena on October 24, 2009, 04:21:26 am
OK, I read through most of it, and it's worse than I thought.  This stuff has the bizarre kind of logic you usually only find among ambulatory schizophrenics.  Thanks to educatedindian for his analysis.  I can help with one point, though:

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Wait, found an explanation for kanabosm. It's marijuana, and there's pages of descriptions as to why it's sacred and "majik". Suddenly I see what inspired her...

That strange word is usually spelled "kaneh bosem", and is the Hebrew term for one of the plants used in the holy annointing oil of the ancient Israelites.  It is usually identified with the calamus, or sweet flag.  Like many plants in the Old Testament, the exact species intended is unknown.  "Kaneh bosem"  means something like "fragrant reed", and was translated in the Septuagint as "kalamos".  That word in turn means any sort of reed-like plant, and more generally, any plant that is neither a tree nor a bush.  Somewhere along the line, "kalamos" was identified with the sweet flag plant, and that's where it stood for hundreds of years.  But this is where things start to get interesting.

Recently some scholars have insisted that "kaneh bosem" is really cannabis, apparently by way of the Aramaic word for hemp, "kannabos", and that it's really cannabis that was used to make the annointing oil.  Fringe religious groups who consider smoking cannabis part of their spirituality have jumped all over this one, with the familiar argument that if God told the Israelites to do it, then he's as much as telling them to go and do thou likewise. By the way, God also told the Israelites not to wear clothes made from mixed fibers, but they don't seem to pay any attention to that one.  :D

Making arguments from word similarities is tricky business at best, and from my limited experiences with cannabis, it's hardly reed-like, nor can it be remotely described as "fragrant"  :o  As for the word similiarity, you might just as well  say that "kaneh boshem/kalamos" really means squid ink, because it sounds like "calamari".  ;D 

And another thing:  nowhere did the Lord command the Israelites to smoke "kaneh bosem".  It was part of the formula for the annointing oil, not for the temple incense.  If the CET and its associates really do consider cannabis a sacred plant, well, the Bible only says to make an oil from it and rub it on your head.  I'm pretty sure that's NOT what they're doing with it!  ::)  Still that would explain a lot about the style of their writing, you just wonder how many bags of Cheetos they went through while producing 56 pages of that stuff.  ;D
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Sizzle Flambé on October 24, 2009, 06:17:09 pm
Ah yes, anoint yourself with fragrant hemp oil, and see how the drug-sniffing police dogs respond to ''that''.
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Don Naconna on October 24, 2009, 08:51:03 pm
This is from MNN about these people...

http://ninacolt.gnn.tv/blogs/32966/Random_Ramblings_of_Rascal_Guru_Lester_the_Molester_of_Lost_Minds

I believe that these people are all connected to Niiki/Renz and Tecumseh Brown Eagle
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Don Naconna on October 29, 2009, 03:58:11 pm
Basically this sovran group hopes to become an offshore banking site. Someone cynical might say they hope to attract money laundering operations. Certainly there's the danger it could be used as such. I'm not at all sure about the legality of such an effort. Since they are not really recognized as SOVEREIGN (heck, most Six Nations people probably don't even know they exist, and we can't even find out easily who they are), this strikes me as some kind of militia moneymaking scheme.

More mangled and ignorant claims about history that you found.

"Aldelgo" doesn't mean anything in Spanish. In fact the only thing I could find online were numerous sites in Japanese I couldn't read. So it's just your typical Nuage misspelling designed to make something morer authentic to the gullible and weed out those who know the real history.

The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo doesn't have a thing to do with any "Americus Empire." Very little of it even mentions NDNs, and in the clauses that did, the promises certainly weren't kept. The treaty's name couldn't be a misspelling of an Indian word either. It's a Catholic pilgrimage site in Mexico.

There is a Black River Reservation, but it's a state park in Ohio. The only Black River ON a reservation is in the Apache rez at San Carlos, in Arizona. There is a Six Nations offshoot in Wisconsin, but they're Oneida. And the Tuscarora weren't of the original Iroquois League. They joined in the 1700s, over half a millenia after the Haudenosaunee are founded. There are Tuscarora communities away from their rez in NY, but they're mostly back in the Carolinas, their original homeland.

At contactprivacy.com there is this message:

"Use this site to contact the owner of a domain name protected by the WHOIS Privacy Service. This service protects the privacy of domain name holders in the WHOIS system."


The fact is that none of this makes any sense. Its like some 5th grader doing world history homework and getting it all wrong! I thought I had seen some nonsense, but these people are incredible. I would like to see how our resident crazy "Niiki" et al are involved with these nutbars
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: educatedindian on November 02, 2009, 02:24:52 am
Here's an article I wrote for the Native Unity site which I'm hoping will get reposted widely. Already I've posted it to Indybay. Obviously I encourage everyone to post it anywhere they can. The idea is to spread the word far and wide so it will make it harder for these militias to operate their scams.

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http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/11/01/18627485.php
Militia Movement Infiltrates Six Nations
By Al Carroll
  
Militia and “sovereign citizen” movement are making inroads within Six Nations communities, and possibly Anishnaabe and other Indian tribes as well. These groups spread bizarre New Age ideas from Afrocentrics, Black supremacist ideologies, Moorish Science, and other fake-Egyptian cults that undermine Native sovereignty, promoting distrust in actual American Indian legal claims, Native oral history traditions, and Six Nations elders.
  
These ideas pose a threat to the unity of the Six Nations. Native artists such as David Fadden/Kanietakeron, musician Billy Green, and rapper B-Chilla have all publicly stated their belief in the so-called Camel’s Eye Treaty, a conspiracy theory that claims all international law is bound by a treaty written 1600 years ago. In falling for such obviously fake history, some activists such as Monica Peters of Akwesasne Women’s Fire risk harming Six Nations’ causes by seeking to base them on fraudulent documents and misunderstanding of the law. They also associate with a variety of fringe characters harmful to Native peoples.
  
The “Sovran” Movement
  
The proponents of the “Sovran” movement include members of dangerous militias (one of whom worked to overthrow a government), alternative medicine, New Agers, and Quebec separatists. The central idea running through this movement is that a person can supposedly legally declare themselves sovereign, or in the movement’s bizarre misspelling, “Sovran,” and thus be beyond all laws. Sorry, but the real world does not work that way, and the only likely result is that you will go to jail. Judges and prosecutors will just be amused at how little you understand both the law and the real world.
  
The “Sovran” movement is centered on a “clan” with an extremely long title, the Divine Creator Ordained Sovran Signatory Clan-Mothers Daughter Of The Great Spirit Of The Divine Supreme In Law Tacit Court For The Sovran Unity Nations Embassy. The address of this "embassy" is an office in Lakeside, California, northwest of Sacramento. One of the names on the site is Ernestine Trudeau, who claims to be an Anishnaabe elder, though no reservation or reserve of hers is mentioned.

While the “Sovran Clan” poses as Native, most other leaders at the “embassy” are non-Native. The president is Brian Sawer-Foner, a graduate student and Green Party candidate in McGill, Canada.  Their "chief justice" is another non-Native, Mario Antonacci, an entertainer who actually bills himself as the "World's Craziest Man." On the Sovran site he gives legal advice straight from the sovereign citizen movement on how to make yourself autonomous as a "steward" of theirs.

The Sovran group has “Departments of Technology” and sells “Quantum Healing,” “Orgonite Pendants,” “Healing Machines to cure cancer,” and an “Energy Auto Charging Device to restructure the molecules of the OGM Foods.” For various fees from fifty to 300 dollars, plus annual fees of twelve more dollars, you can get different IDs and license plates. Their store is largely altmedicine, including pyramids and "implant killers." Someone needs to tell them The Matrix was just a movie.
  
The Sovran group will also give you advice on the IRS, have a Security Department and another called, “Formation and Guiding Department for all new Ambassadors.” There is also a department called Hemp Industry, and another called Earth Healing.

The Sovran group uses false versions of Native prophecies from a virtual Who's Who of New Age frauds, including:
Adam DeArmon AKA "Adam Yellowbird of Sedona," a white New Age healer.  
Roy Steevensz AKA “Roy Littlesun,” a Dutch-Indonesian man claiming to be a Hopi elder who is barred from the Hopi Nations for disrupting their ceremonies
Aurelio Diaz AKA Tekpankalli, who claims to be Purapecha, but has an Aztec name.

The Sovran group claims to have “embassies” all over the US and Canada, and seeks to establish more in Europe and Latin America. Often they have “embassies” for a state, province, or even a small town. In Six Nations Mohawk Territory, the “Ambassador” is Bill Squire. The “Ambassador” for Oka is Patricia Delisle. Their “Ambassador” for Montreal is also their “chief justice” Mario Antonacci. Most bizarre of all is their “Ambassador” for the Lakota Nation, Lyle Christensen, is based in Garland, Texas.

Groups that Sovran works with include secessionists like the Quebec Patriotic Militia, who in their words, “offer a force of structured intervention that will protect against an…invader that would want to assimilate the people,” and tax resisters on the far right like the De Tax Canada Forum. This Sovran group also hopes to become an offshore banking site. Someone cynical might say they hope to attract money laundering operations. The legality of this venture is dubious at best.

An associated Sovran group is Freedom Files. The group is led by “Mary Ann Blackshear -Monarch Matriarch, Most High Maiden Holding the Court of Life, Clerk, Executive Ambassador, Postmaster, Notary.” Harriet Blackshear is the "Mother of the Most High Maiden" etc, etc, while Deana Marie Armstrong Blackshear is the “Sister of the Most High Maiden” etc etc. Marie Ernestine Trudeau is their “Flowing River Ambassador” while Marie Bouche is their “Sunflower Ambassador.” Karen Anne McDonald is their plain old “Ambassador.” (What happened, Karen?) Jessie Walker Tidwell Blackshear is their, “Annointed Ones Spirit Walking Upon the Earth Diplomatic Minister.” Seriously!

Do the Sovran groups really expect anyone to take their pretensions seriously? Their titles only seem to show they play Dungeons and Dragons too much, or that they can’t tell a Renaissance Fair from real life. Meanwhile their dubious cures virtually guarantee the ill health of their victims and the legal intervention of health authorities.

Even more outright dangerous is the involvement of a member one of the worst militia groups in North America. Navin Naidu AKA “Chief Judge Silver Eagle” was the “tribal judge” and economic advisor for the Little Shell Pembinas, a militia posing as an American Indian tribe. The Pembinas are described by the Anti Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group filled with anti government extremists. Naidu was once the lawyer for George Speight, who led an unsuccessful coup in Fiji and was charged with treason. Naidu was deported from Fiji for falsely claiming a certificate to practice law.

Now Navin Naidu calls himself Aidun N.C. Naidu and is the “tribal judge” for a group calling itself the Tuscarora Signatory Indian Tribe. Naidu also calls himself “Presiding Elder” for Word in Action Ministry, another group listed as affiliated with militias by the Anti Defamation League.

The real Tuscarora tribe is based in upstate New York. Tuscaroras also live in the traditional homeland of North Carolina. But this “signatory tribe” gives a mailing address in
Onaway, Michigan. The phone number for the “tribe” is an unpublished landline based in Grayling, Michigan. Why would a supposed tribe use someone's phone in another city, and keep the name hidden? Grayling is not that close to Onaway, it's two counties over. Another number for the “tribe” is another unpublished number that is actually a cell phone based all the way down in Lumberton, North Carolina.

Taken together, these “Sovran” groups undermine sovereignty for actual Indian tribal nations, spreading confusion with their fantasy role playing, moneymaking schemes of doubtful legality, and attempts to usurp the place of rightful tribes.
  
The Camel’s Eye Treaty Hoax
  
The Camel’s Eye Treaty has become the guiding document for Sovran groups. Monica Peters of the Akwesasne Women’s Fire is perhaps it strongest advocate. Supposedly the alleged document is based on writings by the late Meredith Quinn, who at one time called herself the legal advisor for the "Dakota Empire." Yet believers in this alleged treaty have provided no evidence it ever even existed.
The contents of this document are filled with many obvious falsehoods and a great deal of, to put it kindly, incredible weirdness. These writings attributed to Quinn include many references to DNA and mitochondria, terms pulled out of thin air that are meaningless such as "self proclaiming dragon chiefs" and "divine life force delta 9 frequency." I also don't think I have ever seen divine angels of light and Interpol discussed in the same document before. It would be an unintentionally funny joke, except that believers in the document are causing quite a bit of problems in the Six Nations and elsewhere.

Believers in the treaty also write at length about “kanabosm.” This is their term for marijuana, and they provide pages of descriptions as to why it's sacred and "majik." Side by side with treaty discussions they also write dozens of pages on the witch hunts in Europe, the Virgin Mary, and the Essenes, a Jewish cult in ancient times.

The falsehoods from the alleged Camel’s Eye Treaty itself are numerous and obvious. Below are the most obvious:

1. "This treaty is known as the Treaty of the Camels Eye, The Eye of Isis and The Eagle Bowl Treaty, and it was signed July 2nd 408 A.D. upon the surrender of the Roman Empire."

Why would a treaty supposedly written a thousand years before Columbus affect Natives? Why would it be named after camels or Isis? Rome fell in 476, not 408.

2. "Peace Pipe Treaties [These treaties cover all Indian Tribes of North and South America]
The Seal of Solomon Treaty [Covers all Blacks, Arabs and Israelites]
The Paladium of Troy Treaty [Covers Asia and Minor Asia]
Noah’s Ark Treaty [Covers all Anglia, Saxon, Mercia and Northumbrian Groups or The White Tribes of Europe]"

Where to begin? Peace pipes aren't used by many tribes, and many tribes never signed any treaties at all. The Seal of Solomon referred to Solomon’s ring used to signify his authority, not any treaty. The Palladium (with two ls) was in Athens, not Troy. There is no such place as Minor Asia. There is only Asia Minor. Why would a treaty for England be named after Noah's Ark? And why are only the ancient peoples of England mentioned as "white tribes of Europe"? Where are the Germans, French, etc?
3. "...Remember at the time Rome surrendered it’s power in 408 AD, England was given the responsibility of fulfilling the articles of the Camel’s Eye Treaty, because England was the second Rome."

England was a minor province of the Roman Empire. Most of it was never even conquered by the Romans. England certainly never took over the former territory of the Roman Empire. In 408 AD, England was divided under many rulers and would not be united for many centuries.

4. "The ROMAN EMPIRE included the Crown of England, France and Spain. To this day, should you follow the bloodlines of the ROYAL FAMILIES, you will find them to be the descendants of the OLD ROMAN EMPIRE or the ROMAKOS who are the descendants of GREEK ROYALTY."
The Roman Empire did not include the crowns of those three nations. The British and Greek dynasties are actually both German in origin.
 
5. "...And the name of this book can be found in the new Bible-Numbers 21:14. The Monarchy of any Tribal Government are called: Angels; Daughters of the Great Spirit or Pure Light."

What a conspiracy theory about the Bible has to do with Indians is anyone's guess.

6. "To be a member of a Signatory Tribe, you must belong to a clan that is ruled by a Clanmother who appoints Chiefs to speak on behalf of her clan. The entire Tribe ruled by Clanmothers, Angels, Pure Light, or Daughters of the Great Spirit, become the Title Owners of the Sovereign Territories."

Do they seriously believe that the US or Canadian governments required Native women to be recognized as angels of light before they could sign treaties? Actually, these governments preferred (or more often, insisted) Native treaty signers to be male.

7. "The exception to this are the 5,6, and 7 Nations that were Indian Tribes created by George Washington"

They seriously believe that George Washington somehow created tribes?

8. "The original Iroquois Confederacy was 52 Nations."

By such a bizarre claim they just called every keeper of Haudenosaunee tradition a liar.
 
Monica Peters of Akwesasne Women’s Fire described on their website how she came to believe in the Camel’s Eye Treaty:

“I remember when I first heard of the Camel Eye Treaty, back in June 2009. I was involved in a late night discussion with a new group of people that I did not know very well yet. We were talking about personal experiences, world events, dream symbolism, and astrology.

When I first heard about the Camel Eye Treaty, I was very tired and confused. My brain could not even process the information and how it pertained to my life today. I am very curious to learn every day, so I decided to start researching the topic.

The Orion Prophecy
Hieroglyphs
Astrology as it pertains the location of Pyramids ** See the orion prophecy
Egyptology
Eye of Isis
Obelisk in New York City, behind the Metropolitan Museum
Symbology
The Berbers….
It also makes sense to me that our ancestors have frequently changed their ‘names’ over the years as a survival tactic.

I believe it is also worth our time to discover the commonalities with our Creation stories and compare those to Egyptology topics that are not government controlled knowledge.”

In other words, Peters believes that Six Nations oral tradition is false and her elders are liars.

Instead she chose to believe pseudo-science and fraudulent history that came from Black supremacists or so-called Moorish Science, and not even the profession of Egyptology as she thinks. Peters abandoned the Six Nations traditions that have been a source of strength for her people for centuries for, in her words: astrology, Egyptology, symbology, Orion prophecy, and conspiracy theories about obelisks and the government.

Not even The De Vinci Code is that unbelievable. Peters firmly denies being a cult member, but certainly she has fallen for ideas that are cult like and ridiculous, with no basis in fact and contrary to every Native oral tradition known.

For Ernestine Trudeau, she has chosen to ally herself with the militia and sovereign citizen movements that are filled with Quebec separatists, New Agers, and altmedicine quacks. Whether Peters or Trudeau realize it or not, the militia and sovereign citizen movement are a bizarre union of both Black and white supremacists. It is truly a shame that Natives who no longer believe in their people’s traditions get added to that strange alliance.

So-called Sovran groups are not tribes, nor clans, nor nations. Most importantly, they are not sovereign, never were, and never will be. “Ambassadors” of these groups are almost as delusional as their leaders. These so-called Sovran groups have no hope of succeeding in getting their dubious legal claims recognized. Deep down, I suspect the leaders of these groups realize that, even if the low level members don’t, just yet.

What these groups offer, as most conspiracy theories and pseudo-history offer, is a false feeling of being special, a naïve notion that its believers hold a secret others don’t know, and a simplistic way of seeing the world that comforts them temporarily. But only temporarily, because the law has a way of catching up with the fast buck con artists that the leaders tend to be. Its followers will likely go their own way, wiser but sadder, and perhaps poorer for any money they threw away.

The real losers, of course, will be genuine American Indian tribal nations, the actual Six Nations. Because their genuine claims, with historical and legal backing, will be much harder for the US and Canadian authorities to take seriously every time these pretenders claim to speak for Indians.

Dr. Al Carroll is a historian, Fulbright Scholar, and activist, helping found the hatewatch group New Age Frauds Plastic Shamans (NAFPS) at www.newagefraud.org. He is the author of Medicine Bags and Dog Tags: American Indian Veterans from Colonial Times to the Second Iraq War from University of Nebraska Press.
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Don Naconna on November 03, 2009, 08:46:51 pm
I came across this reference to the Camel Eye Treaty in the Mohawk News, does anyone know about "Natasha"

"Another group trying to sabotage the Kaianereh’ko:wa [Great Law] are the Camel Toe Treaty people.  Ahab the Arab [the sheik of the burning sand], his partner Fatima of the 7 Veils [without the rings on her fingers or bells on her toes] and some of their followers recently did something interesting.  They apparently loaded the cement border marker on St. Regis Road and took it somewhere.   Their emotionally charged internet guru and handler, Natasha, must have gushed.     

Those turning their backs on the Kaianereh’ko:wa are committing treason [Wampum 58].  They are supposed to be banished from Onowaregeh [Great Turtle Island].  They’re also violating the Two Row Wampum by accepting another law, leaving the canoe and boarding the colonial ship. When will they get on their camels and leave?"       

The Mohawk don't seem to be very happy with this group...
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Smart Mule on November 03, 2009, 09:31:20 pm
Talked to my friend Marcus who talked to David Fadden.  Supposedly they got a lot of their info from the Philosophical Research Society www.prs.com (http://www.prs.com).  I picked up a book from the library by the founder, Manly P. Hall and I would have to agree.  The book is The Secret Destiny of America and it's pretty out there.
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: bobbieo on November 04, 2009, 03:32:05 am
This is bobbieo - who originally requested help from Researchers on the Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne. I'm also the editor of the Native Unity Digest blog  -http://nativeunity.blogspot.com -

All I can say is "WOW"at the response from this group. I think a very nasty can of wormds has been opened. Thanks everyone who participated - B
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: uktena on November 04, 2009, 06:30:19 pm
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Talked to my friend Marcus who talked to David Fadden.  Supposedly they got a lot of their info from the Philosophical Research Society www.prs.com.  I picked up a book from the library by the founder, Manly P. Hall and I would have to agree.  The book is The Secret Destiny of America and it's pretty out there.

Thanks for the info.  As E. P. Grondine has pointed out before, I'm too inclined to blame Theosophy for all the strange ideas floating around these days, and tend to ignore the equally important Rosicrucian and Masonic streams.  The mention of Manly P. Hall did ring a bell to me; I'm not that familiar with his work, but he wrote a very influential book when he was 27 years old, called  The Secret Teachings of All Ages, which I've thumbed through from time to time, but never felt like taking the time--a lot of time--to actually study.  I had never heard of The Secret Destiny of America but it sounds like a Manly P. Hall title, all right.

I found this book online and scanned through it; it seems typical "wisdom of the Mystic Masters"  pseudo-history, nothing here suprising other than that he insists that the Christopher Columbus who "discovered" America (actually known and explored previously by the ancient Greeks  :o), was not the same person as the one born in Genoa, and was in fact a Greek prince.  :o

Just what I gather from a quick perusal, his argument seems to be this:  The United States of America is the final flowering of the ideals of democracy and enlightened rationalism that began in Ancient Egypt with Akenaton's rejection of the old polytheistic system; continued through the Greek philosophers (with a side trip to Atlantis, which to him was merely a symbol of of the Afro-Eurasian supercontinent, united in ancient times by a league of ten benevolent kings ???); was driven underground by the rise of the Christian Church and preserved intact by a series of secret societies until modern times (entirely glossing over the historical fact that a considerable number of the ancient documents we have today, we have only because they were preserved in the libraries of the monasteries of those Bad Old Christians ;D). Then these ideas were manifested by the Founding Fathers, who incorporated Masonic ideals and symbols into the very foundations of this nation, thus establishing the United States as the Utopia of Enlightenment and democratic ideals for the rest of the world.  I can't paraphrase this and do justice to the naivite of the original, so here's a small quote:

In America shall be erected a shrine to Universal Truth, as here arises the global democratic Commonwealth--the true wealth of all mankind, which is designed in the foundation that men shall abide together in peace and shall devote their energies to the common cause of discovery. ... The power of man lies in his dreams,his visions, and his ideals.  This has been the common vision of man's necessity in the secret empire of the Brotherhood of the Quest, consecrated to fulfilling the destiny for which we in America were brought into being.

So far, I haven't seen anything about the Camel's Eye Treaty, or any of the rest of the treaties which supposedly bind people all over the world, and this book is about as far from "sovran individuality" as it gets.  Enlightenment philosophers encouraged individual liberty along with social responsibility, and I don't believe they ever talked about "sovereignity" except with respect to nation-states. Those ideas must have come from elsewhere, possibly from other M.P. Hall books, or others in this genre of mystical pseudo-history.  There are also a whole herd of minor writers who almost nobody ever heard of, whose wakko ideas still have their influence on modern fringe groups.

He does seem to give some credit to the American Indian tribes for establishing and maintaning a democratic system, though he seems to think they got it from the ancient Greek trans-Atlantic explorers. Those explorers also seem to have given the Mayans all their worthwhile ideals (you know how those dumb natives can never come up with the idea of a pyramid or a calendar without outside help  :D).  His thoughts about the Mayans in particular are naive in the extreme.  To hear him tell it, they were a peaceful democracy with elected leaders who didn't engage in warfare, and only sacrificed fruits and flowers on their altars. :o   This changed somewhat in their later days, but only because of the heinous influence of outside tribes.  Oh, and we know they didn't have any crime, because there are no prisons among the Mayan ruins.  :D

This book was written in 1944, and represents a well-known (and well-worn) argument for American Exceptionism, which seems almost laughable these days---today, the people who buy this idea of a string of secret societies maintaining unpopular ideas down through the ages, and influencing the founding and running of modern nation-states, are the tinfoil-hat conspiracy types, who consider this to be a Very Bad Thing.

Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: bobbieo on November 11, 2009, 12:05:32 am
Has anyone heard from educatedind in the past several days? I sent him some e-mails and no response.
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: debbieredbear on November 11, 2009, 02:05:46 am
Yes. He's around. He will contact you.
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: educatedindian on November 24, 2009, 07:22:08 pm
I received an account saying the Sovran Tuscarora site is being run by Patrick Holley. This is the same Holley mentioned in this thread for ripping off the "United Nations of Turtle Island."

http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1909.0
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: E.P. Grondine on November 28, 2009, 02:20:54 am
Haven't read "Amazing Stories" yet, I see. Please PM me for a copy - then the ties to the militia groups and their legal theories will become clear.

Manly P. Hall is kind of off to the side. The direct line runs from Howard John Zitko (from whence Sedona) and Robert D. Stelle to Richard Kieninger to David Hatcher Childress.

This is a well organized international ring, which runs right through the tiny village of Kempton, Illinois. The ties to Quebec separatists is a new wrinkle, though, and it will be interesting to see the government of Canada's response.

It was all really funny, until the bodies started piling up.
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: bigbear on June 25, 2010, 11:46:34 am
who is Tom Smith a.k.a. Golden Eagle and his partner White Sparrow. They are at the center of a big fight in Wiky, Manitoulin Island
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Superdog on June 25, 2010, 04:48:41 pm
who is Tom Smith a.k.a. Golden Eagle and his partner White Sparrow. They are at the center of a big fight in Wiky, Manitoulin Island

During a quick google search I turned up this page on White Sparrow.  She claims to channel Kateri Tekakwitha who, in turn, channels other spirits for her including Crazy Horse.  She mentions moving to Wiky in her writings.  The page Wigwam C, has a little bit on it...I haven't looked over the site entirely yet so I haven't found anything on Tom Smith or the turmoil surrounding them.

http://www.whitesparrowwigwam.com/biography.htm

Superdog
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: Superdog on June 25, 2010, 04:54:23 pm
This page has the story of her and Tom getting married.....pretty fluffy stuff, full of new age ideals.  She's not Native and I'm pretty sure Tom isn't either.  Gotta wonder how they ended up moving onto a reserve.

White Sparrow's name wasn't originally White Sparrow...it's a pen name and she says she's legally changed it to that...she also includes an aka as Sparrow Smith.

http://www.whitesparrowwigwam.com/wigwamj.htm
Title: Re: Request for Help from Researchers: Camel's Eye Treaty group at Akwesasne
Post by: educatedindian on January 30, 2013, 03:56:39 pm
Apparently Karen MacDonald of the Sovran Embassy bunch is trying to push their conspiracy theories among the Idle No More movement. This according to a member of it in Saskatoon Saskatchewan. Both MacDonald and Tim Phillips tried to convince the Idle No More meeting of their Camel's Eye Treay claims. MacDonald is falsely claiming to be a Clan Mother.

Apparently some of the Nuage types around MacDonald complain of her strongarm tactics. This complaint comes from the (seriously) Purple Pixie site.
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http://www.thepurplepixie.com/2012/05/01/artwork-on-its-way/-
Karen,
 
It was nice meeting you in Xaxl’ip, St’át’imc Territory… I had sent a message into the cosmos(Mother Spirit) to meet someone who isn’t like the DETHRONED WAPO PIESEW! His xenophobic tendencies began to wear thin with me and the decision(s) to dismiss, ignore and ostracise my friends with outrageous @$$essments(more like @$$umptions).
 
I realise that you are an expert in Clan Mothers, 1st Law of the Land, Treaties and other legal aspects(I am truly respectful of that), it is the necessity of inclusion of others whose expertise may supercede ours. I will repeat myself probably forever(until I sound like a broken record) but when others are found by spiritual symbiosis(Joe Dunstan, Joe Pereira, amongst others), we ought to listen utilise them as guides for a sound, clear and progressive movement forward. I can and will listen, understand and bring others who are: Expert in foundation(Brian Ryder), an Architectural Draughtsman(Francis Savage), an Ecological Civil Engineer(Rodolfo Silva-Martinez) as these guys are clearly more experienced than myself. It also provides a sense of openness to working with others, a policy of honesty and integrity.
 It signals to the rest of us that Karen Ann Macdonald isn’t gonna demand that we all have to kow-tow to her. If you require someone to kow-tow let it me be otherwise, we could lose people in a multitude of droves.
Sincerely,
Mitch Yamamoto(I prefer not having to kow-tow);-)

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MacDonald sells healing herself. Her page for a Nuage gathering that includes Lynn Andrews.
http://www.holisticexpo.net/profile/karenannmacdonald

Cached page of her healing center website. The site was up since 2007, but has been down since late 2011. She used to run it with "Lord Gaillen Wraye."
http://web.archive.org/web/20080206220202/http://www.quantumhealingcentre.org/

Her appearance at an alchemy/UFO conference. An incredible mix and match of crazy gibberish.
I don't even wanna know about "alchemy enemas" ???

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SATURDAY MARCH 23-2013 SKYPE LIVE FROM CANADA
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savage signatory status the white bear clan mother,
angelically speaking about protecting children ,water, land and environmental issues....
Title: Re: Camel's Eye Treaty group, Sovran movement
Post by: educatedindian on March 07, 2013, 02:05:41 pm
I received an email from a sovran supporter. First is his email followed by my response.

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According to their hype they have served documents to the United Nations, are a non-member and have UN numbers for each member. The court of law was re-instated in 1976 through the world hague courts and is in operation. All I am looking for is a way to confirm that they are non-members, have documents on record with the UN, The hague court, and are issued UN numbers.
 
The message they spread is one of peace and non-violence. The do not hold with gun toters, and if they do join and carry on such aggressive acts or any fraud acts they are removed. I would like to know if you have any actual proof of any claim on their fraudulent acts. I can say here and now that  you have acted fraudulently, any one can. the proof is in the actual man woman or child standing up and decrying such. As for mortgages, and other paper items, these are fraud to begin with. Not because of what they say (Sovrans, or any of these similar "type casted" men women or children). The system is set up to bankrupt one man in 10, for it to function properly. This means I must take away my fellow mans home, lively hood, living to allow myself to stay comfortable in my living. That is fraud. I can expain further and you can make your own determinations. Just because we practice doing wrong does not change the fact that it is wrong.
 
It is only when we become aware that we can do something different. If you think that the rise of the populace's unrest is not a sign (shown through more and more "soveriegn, sovran, freeman, or other words) sprouting up around the nations, worse yet around the world.  Every nation has communities, villages and people declaring soveriegnty Italy, Norway, England, et. al. So the questions instead of blame and fear ought to be WHY are we seeking to leave a community/society? Is this wrong? What can we do to improve our community to help continue is growth, health and well being.
 
love and grace,
m

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Hello Minister Michael,

Sorry for looking up who you are, but someone who does not sign their name arouses suspicion, esp when they seem to be being recruited by a militia associated group like the "sovrans."

I'm guessing from the way you sign your name online that you are a lay Protestant minister. It's not unusual for the sovereign or "sovran" movement leaders to take advantage of sincere people wanting a better or more just future, and they often mislead them with lies that sound impressive to people who don't know history or law.

UN numbers, for example, have nothing to to do with people at all. They are numbers assigned to polluting or toxic materials.

Serving papers to the UN means nothing. It would be much like trying to serve papers on a federal court. The clerks would just look at them with surprise or amusement at not knowing basic law. The papers would be ignored and filed under miscellaneous and forgotten, if not thrown in the trash.

Being a non-member means nothing either. It means the UN ignored them. They have no status with the UN.

Most importantly, they have no status with actual Native tribes. They are almost entirely non-Native crackpots posing as Native representatives, along with a few Native tokens who have similar ignorance of the law and treaties.

As corrupt and unfair as mortages are, the sovran leaders offer no solutions, only delusion, failure, and ruined lives for their followers. The sovran leaders largely do not follow their own advice or claims.

"Irene Peace" AKA Irene Gravenhorst, for example, is an Indonesian woman posing as a Native leader who makes money selling seminars to people desperate to avoid losing their homes. They lose their homes anyway after following her advice, and also lose the money they paid her. She moves on and makes more money elsewhere.

Not using guns is one of the few positive things that can be said about them. Keep in mind the sovran sprang from, learned their tactics from, and sometimes work with the militia movement, who are very violent terrorists.

The sovrans largely avoid terrorism except for the paper kind. They are con artists who use deception to swindle their followers, and in some cases con their followers into carrying out criminal acts.

You should also be aware their websites are loaded with spyware and viruses. Visiting them can wreck your computer and give them your personal information.

Al Carroll, moderator