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General => Frauds => Topic started by: educatedindian on August 16, 2006, 05:42:19 pm
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From the yahoo group.
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Thursday, July 20, 2006
To All Those Concerned:
I had originally sent a letter concerning Jerry Ray Edwards and the Cherokee of Kentucky Chicamaugas and would like to bring some clarity on some of my original concerns.
Charlie Lame Deer and James Plenty Stars are no longer associated with Jerry Edwards in any form. Charlie Lame Deer, in fact, has a state recognized group of Lakotas out of Alabama.
James Plenty Stars is with him. They were deemed "Ukus" by Jerry Edwards aka Uku Yonv.
He had actually given names and titles to many of the members within the yahoo group and the CKYC.
Although, I haven't given up on justifying the wrongs done by this man, I have been contacting those who may be of help with this subject. I plan to try and draw up a petition as an attempt to get things going. I've reported Jerry Edwards to many different people and places somewhat as a warning. I'm hoping for an investigation on this. Most of what I'd reported, and that, which was reported to me,
was written as well as verbal. Some of these things I gave witness to myself.
I've not come to this "venture" in vein. I simply feel it necessary to try and make sure this type of thing is stopped and that no one else is victimized from such behavior.
I have come to suspect that "Yonv's" wife Laura Obiso, or "Clan Mother Nogwisi" as she's much known may very well be just as involved with the whole scenario. She has come to his defense most recently. She's been with him through all of this and has, in the opinion of many, given the avenues to forward his fraudulent behavior. In conclusion, if she has known of his activities and has not reported them then she is just as responsible as he is.
As I come along with my intentions, I will try to bring updates on the progress. I hope that with enough stimulation in an attempt in finding a solution, there will one day frauds/fraudulent acts will be non-existant.
Thank You for your time,
Ann McKitric
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Note: I'm posting a picture of this man in the photos. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/nafps/photos/browse/3edf
Wednesday, May 17, 2006
To Whom It May Concern:
I have something that I feel needs addressing. As both a citizen of Kentucky and a Cherokee, it is very important that I try to shed some light on some things which are going on in one part of our state. I am trying to contact your newspaper and others, which are local to the area of my concerns. There's a group called the Cherokees of Kentucky Chickamauga (CKYC) formerly known as the United Free Cherokee Nation, whose Department of Tribal Affairs is based and ran from Burnside. This is also the root of a Yahoo group online. According to some sources, Jerry Edwards has recently changed the name of his group to the Chickamauga-Wazhazhe. He has also stated that if he gets in any kind of trouble with the authorities here in Kentucky, that he will pack up and move to Alabama. As of now, he is claiming to be Cherokee and of course he is nothing more than a white man who is turning a scam.
I have reason to believe that I should warn all people that there are, and could eventually be, people affected by the negative actions of this man. So, this is a warning! This man had supposedly scheduled an interview with his local newspaper and had canceled interviews on several occasions. This person also has a police record and had spent some time in prison.
First of all, I should give a little history on this person. His name is Jerry Ray Edwards, although he uses the title "Uku Yonv"(uku, meaning chief in the Cherokee language), and considers himself a priest/spiritual leader. He was born in McCreary County and raised in Somerset, I believe. He has bipolar illness and is without medication. If that gives you any idea on his state of mind.
He has stated that his is the "All Knowing" and that he has been abducted by aliens and has deities within guiding him. He is, number one, mentally ill and is misleading many people who live in
Kentucky, as well as, other states. This person has and is still, misusing funds, which have been donated. He's already gained a not for profit and is fraudulent in that aspect as well.
This isn't an attempt to get back at someone who has angered me. It's quite the opposite really. I have the concern of many in mind here.
Jerry Edwards has been investigated before, for fraud, online. His picture, with warnings, is currently being circulated there. I'm not sure what else to do but, report him. Luckily, I got out of this
group once I noticed his behavior. Though there are many, with whom I'd become acquainted, which are not aware of what's going on. Most of the people, as with many online groups, are in some fashion,
unstable to some extent and look to him for stability. His ideas and actions leave me, giving comparison to the "Waco" incident. An example to that is his wanting to put up barriers around the land upon which the citizens of this tribe are to reside. Keep in mind that there are to be no husbands, children nor grandchildren allowed to live upon this land. That doesn't mean that the men who will live
there cannot have their wives living there.
There are some that have left the group or have been thrown out, so to speak. But, there are still so many that are susceptible. And there's the matter of drug usage and the selling of drugs, welfare
fraud and so much more being done by this man. He is growing psychodelic mushrooms inside his home and has been selling them. He is also purchasing, by land contract, 80 acres of land at Little South Fork, which is supposed to be "tribal land", and is paying for it with donations from citizens, yahoo group members and folks who try to get into this CKYC.
It is important that this matter be investigated and that this man is stopped by the authorities, as well as the media. It is my intention to make reports to all those that should be notified. I do have some proof to what I've written here and I pray that this isn't "one of those things" that is put into a stack of papers
marked "forgotten".
Thank you so much for your time. I pray that you can help me protect others and bring this man to justice. I'm also attaching a picture of Jerry Edwards aka Uku Yonv.
Sincerely, Mary Anna McKitric
A list of other places of which I'm sending this letter (either via
email or postal) or by telephone, the following:
1. Commonwealth Journal – Ken Shmidheiser, Editor
2. McCreary County Record – Janie Slaven, Staff Reporter
3. The Lexington Herald Leader
4. Kentucky State Police
5. Pulaski County Sheriff's Department
6. McCreary County Sheriff's Department
7. Office of the Inspector General
8. Commonwealth of Kentucky – Cabinet for Health and Family Services
9. Social Security Administration
10. Omsbudsman
11. Native Voices Radio
12. Cherokee Nation (Online Group)
13. Tsalagi Language (Online Group)
14. Cherokee Tradition (Online Group)
15. Cherokee Talk (Online Group)
16. Native Internet Users
17. Cherokee Phoenix Newspaper
18. Red Nation
19. The Advocate Messenger
20. Red Road Newsletter
21. Cherokee Nation – Mexico
22. Various Other Yahoo Groups, Native American Organizations,
Media, Family and Friends
23. Salt Lake Tribune
24. The Hamilton Spectator
25. CTV Native Protesters
CKRZ Radio
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from a yahoo group;
Prayer and smoke for all those in need. I have had a stressful week. a sister who belonged to a group I belonged to attempted suicide and is on a respirator another one who stayed longer just killed herself Friday and one just rushed her mother to the E.R. with hypertension. Please keep them all in your Good Thoughts and even the ones who demeaned and demoralized these woman. They especially need prayer to see the light before it is too late. It is sad to see how hurtful people can be.
Much thanks in advance.
Softspeaker
[highlight][/highlight]SEEMS JERRY IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN EVER. I WONDER WHAT SITE HE HAS NOW. WILL NEED TO RESESRCH THIS.
WEHELI >:(
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Could this be Jerry"s new site?????
http://zptech.net/userreports.html
scroll down to Osiyo Jason, I know we have had this site for Edwards before but now by his name at the end of the posting is
With Respect
Yona, Principal Chief
Unified Free Cherokee Nation [Please visit their brilliant and inspiring Website.]
That takes you to http://www.ufcn.net/
Click on YONA and you will be here http://www.ufcn.net/
HMMMM is this him? If so seems he is now legit???
Weheli
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Post Script::
UFCN is unified Free Cherokee Nation.
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<snip...quoting Ann McKritik>
Charlie Lame Deer and James Plenty Stars are no longer associated with Jerry Edwards in any form. Charlie Lame Deer, in fact, has a state recognized group of Lakotas out of Alabama.
Just FYI...there is not a "state recognized group of Lakotas" in Alabama. (Source: http://aiac.state.al.us/Tribes,%20Chiefs%20&%20Commissioners.htm)
They sound dangerous, to state the obvious. If they are seeking recognition in Alabama, it might be a good idea to make sure this information also gets to the tribes recognized in Alabama and to their representatives on the IAC before UFCN petitions. It is certainly not in the existing tribes' interest to have a dangerous cultist state-recognized, and I think they would likely have the sense to fight recognition for this group.
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I went into other threads to gather info on the Cky. Isn't softspeaker starr a former member, maybe they could tell us more what is going on with the info that was given as far as charlie lame deer and jerry edwards is concerned. Soft speaker are you aware of this new site, is it jerry edwards?
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I don't think Jerry Edwards will ever be legitimate. He is just to unstable. He packed in in July and left. Most think for Flordia. He has not re-surfaced. Probably will but under a different group name. Lame Deer the last I heard was Osage. There are a couple of these tribes in Alabama they could join. That system is a little shakey, but mostly legitimate. Jerry Edwards being from Atlantis would have to have his own tribe. Not many will buy into that nonsence. But I am always suprised at the ones that do. frederica
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Thanks for that information, does validate emails I have received. Yep will need "Cherokee Atlantis" group.
Weheli
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Since the last he was really heard of was when his girl friend Obiso was taking donation on the East Coast under the name of "Real Human Beings" thought of checking for any stray Ani Yua Wiya Nations. But no new ones. Just the deflunked on in TN and the State recognized one in Alabama. Nothing in Flordia, Georgia or Louisana yet. frederica
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Is this the Burnside Jerry Edwards? It is pretty recent and makes sense if he needs quick money. In Georgia. http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/gan/press/2006/12-07-06.pdf
a friend from North Georgia said he said he thinks it is the same person. It happen in Cherokee county where he is.
Also by going into the records I found this Jerry Edwards, 55, from Borden Springs, ALA, Piedmont, Ala.
Does anyone have a way to see if this is the Jerry Edwards we have exposed?
Wado Weheli
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Weheli, The photo posted here doesn't look like he is 55. And I gather it was a fairly recent photo. Is there an age on him? I am wondering if the time line is right. Sentencing comes later. I wonder when the actual event took place. Maybe the Newspaper has information. frederica
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Thanks Fredrica ,yes I did do a people search on him last year I believe and he was listed as 54, I will not give up on tracking him, I do pray this is him and 7 years + is not enought if it is him. From a friend who did belong to the group, she told me, he was into drugs, weapons ect.
Weheli
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Try the Cherokee Ledger News in Woodstock. They do not have an archives. But might be able to email one of the reporters and see if their is a police report or more information. The paper is online. frederica
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It looks like the CKY is trying for a comeback.
http://www.somerset-kentucky.com/local/local_story_113095423.html
Please contact the editor, who is also the author of the article, to let him know the kind of man he made the mistake of promoting. Thoughtful letters asking for a follow up discussing the man who believe CKY to be a destructive cult are probably the best approach.
Send to Bill Mardis, editor emeritus at bmardisl @ somerset-kentucky.com
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Thanks Al for this article.
Very interesting eh? Couldn't even tell the truth to the reporter. I thought they had land called "Otter Creek", still calls himself a Yona,UKU ect.LOL!!! Than goes on to say he knows the language and culture, well I have to say I chocked on that one ;D. Still says they are a "TRIBE".
I will be sending the Editor a email. lets see where all this goes.
Weheli
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Wonder if he really ever left Burnside. Letters to editor, too much history here. frederica
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For those who will be coming here from Burnside to read about Edwards, here is the other thread link on this site concerning him and theCKY;
http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=486.0
I have emailed the editor of the article bmardisl@somerset-kentucky.com
It did bounce back, so have tried another ave. I also checked out all the non-profit organizations in KY and am unable at this time to find Edwards Cherokees of Kentucky Chicamauga, perhaps going under another name?
Weheli
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Yes, the email to Mardis bounced. States due to a fatal error. I just wrote the Editor instead. frederica
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I have been following the message board for the commonweath Journal;
http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/cfrm/f/83210801 Click on local issues and scroll to Native fraud.
Many have posted on the forum as to the Article.
Weheli
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Interesting post on he CJ forum today. Since it now has been deleted for some reason I will try to get what it said right.
"Since there has been such a hornets nest stirred up about the native article , here go look at this site.
http://kcnaac.brownrice.com/index.php
http://kcnaac.brownrice.com/donate.php
http://kcnaac.brownrice.com/talkback/guestbook.php
I have it set up to receive all replys to the feedback on the CJ forum but did not receive this posting.
Anyone know about this group who has been tring to get this off the ground for a few years now. It sounds great but I have a feeling Edwards is somehow envolved. Will have to do further checking.
Weheli
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Myself i would stay away from them but thats me.
A few names i know Bruce brading what i know of him he is somewhat ok but still questionable
Tom Jones and Marty Martin one is just as bad as the other they are both power hungary and out for each other.For a while they have been sending out e-mail about each other saying how bad the other is.
most of the ones listed as members are part of they unity council or where .
Tom's wife Martha tries to control how and where pow wows are in to state the one they in carroltin use to be in london but it wasnt making enough money for martha
They did or still do help run a bingo in corbin and has been reperted for taking money from it.
Here is a link to Marty Martins website
www.cherokeetribeofkentucky.org
And i have heard nothing at all good about him but i will save for another time
As for Jerry Ewards dont know anything about him but i very much doubt he is part of the kcnaac they are all to power hungary and alot of the members are family
Lost Cherokee
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I have not heard back from the publisher of the CJ. I did email KCNAAC, "black bear" as to Possible involment of Edwards with thier group. It appears someone,I can only guess who ;), posted the post on the museum on the CJ forum as being a project of Edwards, as he stated in his interview about building a museum ,and apparently took credit for for this KCNAAC as being all his project.
Here is the reply from Black Bear:
don't know edwards, miss ****, or anything about this "other" Center.
Our mission is to educate all peoples about the Native American history and presence in
the Commonwealth and region.
black bear
Also here are other links for KCNAAC:
http://www.anthrosource.net/doi/abs/10.1525/csas.2005.40.2.9
http://kcnaac.brownrice.com/index.php
http://kcnaac.brownrice.com/talkback/guestbook.php
I will reserve my opinion as to the KCNAAC for now.
Weheli
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on my last post i said bruce brading is ok but some what questionable
well i take it back he is just as bad as the rest of them
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Interesting page on Bruce Brading
http://theruraldemocrat.typepad.com/the_rural_democrat/2007/03/index.html
Fletcher draws criticism from Native Americans
I was contacted last night by a dear Native American friend of mine from Oklahoma. He is planning on moving to Kentucky this summer but he is rethinking his move because of appointments made by Governor Fletcher in regards to a little known state commission called the Kentucky Native American Heritage Commission. The only official link is here.
Apparently Fletcher was tricked into making some new appointments to this commission. Fletcher also left off some names that has apparently pissed some people off. Some of the prominent names on this commission is Former First Lady of Kentucky Judy Patton, Rep. Reggie Meeks (D) Louisville and Dr.David Pollack Director of the Kentucky Heritage Council. A Native American Blog called the Kentucky Native American Politics claims the new chairperson Bruce Brading is a shady character that may be in some big trouble. Fletcher sure looks like he may have screwed up big this time.
This story could blow up in Fletcher's face if the allegations made by the Native American Blog is true. Fletcher is apparently making some more appointments to boards and commission over the next month. I guess that's what they call 11th hour and mid-night appointments. He is apparently so desperate for votes he is willing to turn the screws on Native Americans in Kentucky for votes. I hope this does blow up into a big deal and I will laugh my ass off when Fletcher tries to explain his way out of it. I am starting to believe Fletcher just can not do anything right.
I will follow this story for a while and see what happens.
From the Kentucky Native American Politics
New Heritage Commission Chair involved in alleged illegal activity
In a widely circulated E-mail Mr. Brading and others (presumably Marty Martin as COWUC president)were alleged to have been involved in highly illegal activity that goes directly against all Federal, State, and Local Laws. It also violates the sacred trust we have with our ancestors. If this is even partially true then it is time to make your voices heard at the state capital!
The e-mail reads in part
"Bruce and his group are currently receiving human remains from folks throughout the state, transporting these remains, and reburying them. All of these activities are in violation of current Kentucky statutes. One of my concerns is that while many of these remains may have been found at prehistoric archaeological sites other may have been found at historic cemeteries and still others may be recent murder victims. A good way to get ride of the remains of someone you killed years ago would be to contact Bruce, and tell him that you found them at an archaeological site. He would then take the remains and rebury them somewhere else.
I want to assure you and others that neither I nor anyone else at the Heritage Council would have ever designated COWUC as the sole representatives of the native american community in Kentucky.
David Pollack
Kentucky Heritage Council Site Protection and
Archaeology Program Administrator, and
Director, Kentucky Archaeological Survey"
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This email was sent to me on the 24th of June, 2007.
Dear Ann
I am unsure if you will receive this email. If you do, I have a legal document that may help prove some of the tactics Jerry Edwards and his lawyer have tried to use on me, only because I told him to get my photo off his web site. The letter I received from his lawyer in first reading it I did not believe that it was even written by an attorney. It goes beyond unethical. If you are interested in seeing this document, please let me know. -Robin-
This was sent to me on the 27th of June, 2007.
PS. Ann. (Cut out this portion-Modified) You can email her to verify who I am
Ann Lamberth(Modified) wrote:
Lawson (Modified) wrote:
Dear Ann
I am unsure if you will receive this email. If you do, I have a legal document that may help prove some of the tactics Jerry Edwards and his lawyer have tried to use on me, only because I told him to get my photo off his web site. The letter I received from his lawyer in first reading it I did not believe that it was even written by an attorney. It goes beyond unethical. If you are interested in seeing this document, please let me know. -Robin-
I had sent this to her in reply to the first email she sent.
Hey Robin. Forgive me for asking this, since I've come across quite a few weirdos, replying to this. Who are you and how did you hear of this? Could you send some more info. This does sound interesting, what you've told me. It's just that when it comes to Edwards there are some online that are doing things on his behalf. I'm sure you understand. Thanks, Ann.
This one came after.
Hi Ann
I am glad that I had sent this to the right e mail address. You can email Wehili over at Nafps and she can verify who I am.
However Al and I are not what you call on friendly terms. I am a former member of the Nafps and had went into Edwards group to get information on him. The letter I received from Edwards lawyer was statements given to him by Edwards, his wife Laura and a woman that went by the name Starr.
I had seen your letter that Al posted on his forum some time back.
If you go to my multiply under frybreadmama you can see my picture and who I am. I am also a friend of Bear Warrior. which I saw that you are also on my yahoo 360.
I can understand your wariness. Since Al and I had a personal disagreement he has gone on some sites and has posted some nasty stuff about me that are untrue. So I use caution of people I talk to.
Regardless I do think this letter from the attorney will show you the tactics that Edwards uses, his lawyer should be disbarred for unethical practices, using bullying and intimidation tactics.
If you need to check out who I am and if you are comfortable enough let me know and I will scan the letter and send it to you. When you read it you will see I am not a part of Edwards group, quiet the opposite.
P.S. I am still trying to find out who this Starr woman is. I would appreciate any information you are willing to share. Thanks
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You know, I have to admit, that I was going on what he had to show me. Seems he is very good with the computer. My apologies to everyone for my lack of further investigating his guy.
<snip...quoting Ann McKritik>
Charlie Lame Deer and James Plenty Stars are no longer associated with Jerry Edwards in any form. Charlie Lame Deer, in fact, has a state recognized group of Lakotas out of Alabama.
Just FYI...there is not a "state recognized group of Lakotas" in Alabama. (Source: http://aiac.state.al.us/Tribes,%20Chiefs%20&%20Commissioners.htm)
They sound dangerous, to state the obvious. If they are seeking recognition in Alabama, it might be a good idea to make sure this information also gets to the tribes recognized in Alabama and to their representatives on the IAC before UFCN petitions. It is certainly not in the existing tribes' interest to have a dangerous cultist state-recognized, and I think they would likely have the sense to fight recognition for this group.
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That is why they are so good at what they do. They are not exactly what I would call Bastions of truth. They tell you only what they want you to know or what they think you want to hear. I knew the people that caused him to change his group's name the first time. They did a good job, but he (Jerry Edwards) just changed the name of the group. And that is what many of these people do. Disappear for a while then come back under a new name. People have to make their own choices. All you can do is give available information for them to make their choice. Plus, you have to remember you are dealing with invested interest. These people are probably making a living off of this stuff. The less followers they have the less income. frederica
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I went in and modified my last post on what was sent to me. I took out the email addresses. A friend of mine notified me of this woman receiving some, not-so-nice emails. I'm starting to get the same. I know that there's something going on that doesn't feel right. I was under the impression that, by my posting these, it would help in trying to put this crap with Edwards to an end. I know that in reality, there's no stopping all of the frauds. Seems that this is being one of those "come back to haunt me" things. Now, I'm receiving more and more information about him, people who have dealt with him and so on. I'm wasn't out to get him, I was out to stop him. We all know what kind of man this is. I know that he won't come near me. I've come at him with everything I've got. Including the fact that the Carmack family are not "Cherokees". I think I've already stated, somewhere, that the Carmack's are my relations, they were Scottish and any "Indian" blood came from marriage. He's a know it all or nothing jacka** that will do anything he can to get what he wants. Seems like he's pretty miserable now. Good for him! Where he belongs is behind bars. Hey, maybe even his co-pilots, too. Just as long as they leave me and my family alone then I won't have to smack him in the face with reality. I'm just tired of all this people. I'm going to do what to keep him exposed. I also think that I will have to just stick to checking folks out and warning others. Seems it may be best for everyone all around.
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He closed down for the 2nd or 3rd time some time in July last year. But has reappeared in Burnside in the last few months. There was an article in a local newspaper that he was recruiting again, and many letters were sent to the editor of the paper about him. There has always been questions in the past of guns and drugs, and questions as to whether he is Bipolar, off medication. That information was reported by one or two people. Recently I believe the local police were made aware of the situtation. I think it was a small group, but had or has the potential of being rather dangerous. http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=486.0 frederica