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Title: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Freija on February 04, 2008, 10:42:14 pm
I think I just head a small heart attack!

I got quite happy noticing there would be a Danish documentary about Indigenous peoples on TV tonight. That film had got sponsormoney from just about all Scandinavian countries and from institutes and funds that we had applied to, but had been denied money from. So it might be interesting to see what kind of film we SHOULD have made to get that money.....

It all starts with a white history professor saying: "There are no traditional cultures left, they are all in museums!(Oh, geez, this doesn´t start well, I thought).  It got worse. Much worse. The film might have been called Ten reasons to dislike indigenous peoples. It showed nothing but drunks and criminals. When they finally got to American Indians, after aborigines and innuits, all they showed were the casinos. The footage from the reservations was filmed with hidden cameras to show the ongoing arguments between tribal members. And because they were not welcomed to film on the reservations, they said....

AND the spokesperson for Indians was David Yeagley!!!

The conclusion of the film was that all indians should assimilate, the reservations should close down and the professor finished by repeating that no traditional cultures were left. The success for native people was how modern they were living, not how traditionally they were living!! Noone bothered to ask any traditionalists what they thought, though.....

Oh My God! I suddenly saw the light....why Swedish TV broke the contract with us. Why we did not get any funding from anywhere. This was so racist and awful....just AWFUL!


Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: educatedindian on February 05, 2008, 02:25:10 am
I'm not too surprised that Yeagley was in the film. What was the film's name? And who made it? I'd like to write the media telling them they had a film made using a racist imposter as a "spokesman". Yeagley doesn't represent anyone except the John Birch Society. (An infamous bunch of bigoted conspiracy nutjobs.)
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Freija on February 05, 2008, 10:46:41 am
Well, the Danish/Swedish title was "Prisoners of the past". Don´t know if it has an English title.....
It was made and produced by Danish National TV. The gist of the film was that Native people have been fooled by the leaders to think they need to keep old traditions, languages and ceremonies instead of assimilating - hence the title....

Interesting - Swedish TV said they could not show our film without a studio discussion afterwards. That´s why they said no to it. But THIS film....no discussion needed obviously. It is sad!
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: earthw7 on February 05, 2008, 02:31:00 pm
Oh My Yeagley is at it again.
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Freija on February 05, 2008, 04:31:09 pm
Heyyy, the film is on the Internet! See if this works:

http://svt.se/svt/road/Classic/shared/mediacenter/index.jsp?&d=13276&lid=puff_492362&lpos=extra_0

Just pick Windows Media Player or Real Player Format up to the left. The short introduction is in Swedish, but the film is in English. It´s one hour. Hope you can watch it, it would be interesting to hear your opinions.

Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: frederica on February 05, 2008, 06:14:28 pm
Well, it's definately anti-sovereignty. Not only do you have Yeagley, but I see they dragged Barbara Lindsley out from under her rock. She is "One Nation United". They have tiies to gas, oil, and convenience stores.
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Moma_porcupine on February 05, 2008, 07:17:31 pm
That film sounds absolutely horrible. Whatever Yeagley's family
background may be, I don't see why Yeagley or anyone else imagines he has a right to speak for Native people.

Even if his Mom is Comanche as he claims, that doesn't mean he automatically has a right to speak for all Comanches, much less for all Native people. How would Denmark like it if any Danish person, no matter what their position in Danish society, could be selected by a foriegn power as a spokesperson on Danish policy ?

Whover made that documentry should be ashamed of themselves for
promoting social policies which enable genocide.
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Ingeborg on February 05, 2008, 07:59:45 pm
The name of the 'historian' shown is Keith Windschuttle, an Australian. From what I found, he seems to have started off on the left, then wandered off to the extremist right and is a holocaust denier.

Here's some sites:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Windschuttle
http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks@minder.net/msg46187.html
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/24/1066631621572.html
melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/03/89907.php
http://webdiary.com.au/cms/?q=node/1036      (scroll down)

I did a google search on Windschuttle, and had a look at the first four pages of results - on two, google dropped a result due to its extremist right nature.

Yes, the film unites Australias and America's 'finest', like Yeagley, Lindsay, and Windschuttle.

Fwiw, my man who watches a lot of Danish and some Swedish TV (via internet) says the 'documentary' probably never got shown by Danish TV, because most of the stuff having been aired in Denmark first and then in Sweden has both Danish and Swedish subtitles. To have an English commentary according to him indicates the 'documentary' was done for an international market, not just for the Danish audience.
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Freija on February 05, 2008, 08:07:55 pm
I got a call from a Sami woman today, she said they were so upset about this film, too. Even though the Samiis were used as an example of "nice intelligent indigenous people who know how to assimilate"  Also got a groupmail urging people to call Swedish TV to let them know that this is totally unacceptable and at least let the other side be heard.

I totally understand that TV is supposed to show all kind of films ....but you cannot show just one side of the coin!! How can they call themselves neutral....where are the voices of the traditionalists??

So people are really upset over here...good!!

Wonder if they would have aired a hate-documentary about muslims? Or jews?
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Laurel on February 05, 2008, 08:16:10 pm
Ye gods, this is awful.  "Assimilate or colonialism is all your fault!" 
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: frederica on February 05, 2008, 08:22:05 pm
The ones here have motives, their ties to big companies.  Windschuttle is just a racist, I kept waiting in the film for him to bring up eugenics, he never did, but some of the articles hint at it.
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Barnaby_McEwan on February 05, 2008, 09:14:20 pm
Annika, if there is an email address people can send polite protests to, let us know.

Nothing like some artificial controversy to sell a programme: that's the most charitable reason I can think of for a director to feature fixtures of the loony right like Windschuttle and Yeagley.

From the Sydney Morning Herald (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/24/1066631621572.html)

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In his 2002 book The Fabrication of Aboriginal History, Volume One: Van Diemen's Land 1803-1847, Keith Windschuttle resurrected the notions that originally justified colonisation - that Australia was never truly owned by its original inhabitants, that they were too savage to understand such a concept as property, too primitive to organise a war and too vulnerable to survive settlement. He offered not only a colonial frontier without warfare, but asserted that it was an academic conspiracy that portrayed it as such...

...He counts the dead but is unmoved by their passing. He concludes that 118 Aborigines were killed on the Tasmanian frontier. Mark Finnane, employing standard social science methodologies, concludes this death rate was proportionally three times higher than that of Australian soldiers in World War I. He wonders why Windschuttle, whose work demonstrates the violence of the colonial frontier, "evades his own conclusions"...

...Australians have remembered Tasmania as the bloodiest chapter in their colonial past. My research has unearthed stories told in Tasmania of a horrific frontier. One person, in 1908, described the island as a "land soaked in blood". But Windschuttle continues an Australian tradition of justifying and silencing colonial injustices. This tradition runs deep only because there is so much to justify, and so many voices to silence.

One of the best things to do with racists is mock them, of course. Here's a reaction (http://www.chaser.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3189&Itemid=26) to the news of Windschuttle's appointment to the board of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation:

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Controversial historian Keith Windschuttle has dealt with the storm over his appointment to the ABC Board in his customary fashion, publishing an article in Quadrant denying its existence. "I have seen no proof of any outrage and can only conclude it does not exist," he said. "And I reject the suggestion by lesser, evidence-based historians that I should try reading newspapers, listening to the radio or checking my email."
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Freija on February 05, 2008, 10:14:55 pm


dokumentarfilm@svt.se - that´s to the documentary department.

The head of the dept. is Ingemar Persson. 

I got this info from a groupmail, I haven´t checked it out but apparantly some people have even phoned TV today. So if anyone asks how you found out about the film, just say that there are all these emails from Sweden circulating.....I must say that I am glad that it took a life of its own over here and that I wasn´t the only one who got upset. 
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Kantuta on February 06, 2008, 06:19:30 pm
Freija, I've been discussing this documentary with everyone the last days. Me and my husband were shocked to see it and as soon as it was finished we wrote letters to the swedish television to complain.

The worst thing is that I am now reading articles in newspapers about how good and interesting the film was because it showed what it's really like in the reservations and how horrible indigenous people are. (example: http://www.expressen.se/ledare/1.1034804/080206-radda-barnen#comments )

Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Freija on February 06, 2008, 09:30:34 pm
Oh my God, it gets worse and worse! I read that article....weeewh.... She compares the way Natives live in the reservations with Muslims in Sweden killing their daughters when they date the wrong man. What has THAT gotto do with anything??!!! Seems like she implies the same thing is happening on the rez. Huh????!!

People "think" a lot and discuss these things, yet have probably never been to a Native community. And if so, just as tourists going to a pow wow or something. I don´t even know what to say any more.....I didn´t expect this to happen in Scandinavia. :( :(
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Tsisqua on February 07, 2008, 01:52:06 pm
Info regarding this disgusting documentry, I have passed around to the many ndn groups I am a member of, also I have posted on my own NAU site...also sent out many bulk mails..I guess all we can do is get as many native people to write these people as possible. Educating them is key. Is there anything else we can do?

With respect,

Tsisqua
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Freija on February 07, 2008, 03:02:36 pm
Thank you SO much!

Just got the emailaddress from Kantuta to the Danish guy who made the film:   PLH@dr.dk

His name is Poul-Erik Heilbuth.

I wonder if the aborigines know about this film?  Have they seen how they´ve been portrayed? Probably not.
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: earthw7 on February 07, 2008, 03:52:45 pm
I just showed this people here they are shocked
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: frederica on February 07, 2008, 05:10:44 pm
There is probably a political agenda here also as long as Barbara Lindsay is involved. One Nation United is from Washington state in the beginning. They were trying to cause all kinds of problems there by turning the "farm worlers" up against the Ndns and reservations. Probably why the Yakima were in the film. They are on  a couple watch lists, no one is quite sure if they are a supremacist group or not. But they are very dangerous.  And they have made their mark in many states now , including Oklahoma.          http://www.onenationunited.org                                                                    http://www.onenationoklies.com
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Barnaby_McEwan on February 07, 2008, 07:41:43 pm
I've watched all of it now. The whole thing reminds me of Rabbit-Proof Fence, with its cast of benevolent-sounding, hand-wringing racists and sinister indigenous henchmen. It's even got a child-kidnapping scene. I felt dirty after watching that poor family in Greenland being torn apart in front of us, and being told it's all tribal leaders' fault.

The nearest thing I can think of in a British context is ancient newsreel footage of happy natives in Kenya, South Africa or Australia learning to sing "God Save the Queen".
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Kantuta on February 07, 2008, 11:26:13 pm
Oh my god, I got a reply from the swedish television saying that they don't understand the critique at all.

"The movie investigates what has happened the last 30 years since the responsibility has been given to the indigenous peoples themselves. During all these years there has been published books, articles and movies that has told about the colonisation and where the focus has been on the white peoples responsibility for the problems. That story is well documented and has been told many times. This movie has chosen another point of view."

I have contacted friends from indigenous organisations all over the world, also in Australia, and my husband has contacted his friends in the Sámi Parliament and Sámi organisations so I hope more and more people will write to them.

Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Tsisqua on February 08, 2008, 02:49:44 am
AND the spokesperson for Indians was David Yeagley!!!


This man...grrrrrr...is nothing I can post on here...but him and his 'words' can be found at:


http://www.badeagle.com/
http://www.badeagle.com/journal/
http://davidyeagley.blogspot.com/
www.yaf.org/speakers/david_yeagley.html
www.yaf.org/speakers/op-ed/yeagley_poe.html
http://www.badeagle.com/html/biography.html

Perhaps he too needs addressing....not just the broadcasting company? I hear he thinks he's good with his fancy words and educated BS...perhaps its time he heard from many.

With respect,

Tsisqua
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Barnaby_McEwan on February 08, 2008, 09:09:11 am
Heilbuth has made two documentaries about immigration:

Flugten til Europa (1992)

Det ’Illegale’ Europa (2006)

Here's a page about the latter, on the "no one is illegal" site. Can someone translate it? I think it's Danish:

http://illegalt.mahost.org/article.php3?id_article=79

This page lists other work Heibuth's been involved in:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1319057/

Does it jog any memories?

We are not the only people complaining about this:

http://soulsphincter.blogspot.com/2008/02/prisoners.html
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Didgebaba on February 08, 2008, 10:13:30 am
I am glad I have found others who were disturbed by the program Historiens fångar. I have lodged a complaint with the Granskningsnämden för radio and TV (broadcast standards tribunal: www.grn.se/) here in Sweden and they will be investigating my claim that the program was unbalanced in its presentation of the history and collective identity of indigenous peoples. My own experience is with the situation for Aboriginal peoples in Australia, which I think was distorted in the presentation of Historiens fångar. While many of the issues raised in the program are widely known about, the causes and even the way they are manifest on the ground was not presented fairly with any depth or discussion.  The appearance of Keith Windschuttle in the first few minutes of the program signaled a single line of thought when it came to what he described as a way of life that is in the past.
I also wrote to the broadcasting station and received a reply from Axel Arnö, Projektledare, SVT Dokumentär( 08-784 84 12) who defended the program with the same lines that Kantuta got from SVT, however in my mail Axel seemed to not know who Keith Windschuttle was:

"Jag är naturligtvis väldigt intresserad av det du skriver om Keith Windschuttle, men egentligen saknar hans politiska uppfattning betydelse för filmens grundläggande  frågeställning."

[I am naturally very interested in what you wrote about Keith Windschuttle, but actually his political orientation lacks relevance regarding the films basic problematic"]

I fail to see how a man who has been described as a revisionist historian and has spent much of his adult life addressing what he describes as the politicization of history (as he sees it in the hands of the loony left) is somehow devoid of political meaning when he appears in a film that pretty much expresses his philosophy in its entirety.
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Freija on February 08, 2008, 10:28:18 am

From Swedish TV:
"During all these years there has been published books, articles and movies that has told about the colonisation and where the focus has been on the white peoples responsibility for the problems. That story is well documented and has been told many times. "

.....by non-Natives...!!
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: educatedindian on February 08, 2008, 01:47:56 pm
It's pretty clear, this is not just an offensive or unbalanced work, but one that outright promotes white supremacy, using three white supremacists (Yeagley, Lindsay, and Winschuttle) as sources. It's as insane as using Nazis or the Nation of Islam as a source on Jews, and I'd urge everyone writing in to make that point. That's on top of it being a "blame the victim" racist smear that clearly is urging the outright destruction of indigenous cultures worldwide.

I was also pretty disturbed by how the filmmaker even manage to get it totally wrong on the one indigenous group they should have known the most about, Sammis. The Sammi I met in Sweden did not strike me as "assimilated" but as very proud of their heritage and providing a great example of holding onto their culture in the face of everything. They have secured for themselves many victories that NDNs here in the US don't have, such as protection against selling counterfeit crafts.

Windschuttle is not conservative, he's outright racist, and often makes up "facts" to support his racism. His take on history so out there and wacko he can't find an academic publisher and has to go to vanity publishers.

But he and his supporters seem to imagine that because he's clearly seen as racist is somehow proof that academia has been taken over by crazy leftists.

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http://blogs.usyd.edu.au/thinkingculture/2006/08/australias_racist_cultures.html
"Further, you can find a very thorough analysis of the various ways in which racism manifests in Keith Windschuttle's self-published (as opposed to 'serious academic') research in 'Whitewash: On Keith Windschuttle's Fabrication of Aboriginal History', Black Inc. Agenda, 2003. The book contains contributions from scholars across the Australian academy."

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And Windschuttle is pretty racist towards Asians too, imagining them "taking over," that whites are "endangered", and that being racist is central to white Australian identity.

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http://www.borderlandsejournal.adelaide.edu.au/vol5no1_2006/perera_raceterror.htm

"22. Anglo-Australian men as an endangered species in the law are only a part of Fraser's apocalyptic vision of the future. In an article, "Rethinking the White Australia Policy" (a review of Keith Windschuttle's book, The White Australia Policy), Fraser asserts:

Within two or three decades, it is not unreasonable to expect that Australia will have a heavily Asian managerial-professional, ruling class that will not hesitate to promote the interests of co-ethnics at the expense of white Australians. (Fraser 2005b).

23. Fraser supports this statement with the fantastic notion, as recapped by Windschuttle, that "Europeans ... evolved in a cold climate to support non-kinship forms of reciprocity and thus to welcome strangers," while "Chinese and Japanese businessmen operate within mafia-like, extended family clans that are bound by shared genes to support one another" (Windschuttle 2005)....

Despite their internal differences, however, Windschuttle, Fraser and Duffy represent an institutionalised and politically powerful configuration of contemporary Australian nationalism that exists on a continuum with assertions of race pride that are usually disowned as extremist....

30. The most distinctive feature of the formation represented by Duffy and Windschuttle is its foregrounding of Anglo-Australian achievement and white racial pride. Its platform is premised on a whitewashing (Manne 2003) of Australian history, especially of the violence directed towards Indigenous people and their ongoing resistances."
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Barnaby_McEwan on February 09, 2008, 03:15:48 pm
More on Windschuttle's racism (http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/pms-contempt-for-abc/2006/06/16/1149964738584.html?page=fullpage#), and his intellectual history.

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On the basis of a comically flawed methodology, Windschuttle argued that the British settlers killed only 118 of the Tasmanian Aboriginal population; that those Aborigines who resisted the destruction of their way of life were no better than vicious common criminals, robbers and murderers; and that, as a "dysfunctional" people, the Tasmanian Aborigines were actually responsible for their own demise. In Fabrication, Windschuttle wrote about the collapse of Tasmanian Aboriginal society with a moral coldness not seen even in the 19th century settler accounts.

My emphasis. It sounds familiar, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: frederica on February 09, 2008, 04:28:50 pm
The film is more than just to show another "side" or view. I think this one is to appeal to a certain group of people. http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/lab/85/grieves.html
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Ole on February 09, 2008, 05:53:53 pm
Heilbuth has made two documentaries about immigration:

Flugten til Europa (1992)

Det ’Illegale’ Europa (2006)

Here's a page about the latter, on the "no one is illegal" site. Can someone translate it? I think it's Danish:

http://illegalt.mahost.org/article.php3?id_article=79

Hi,

I'm the editor of the Danish "no one is illegal" site (thats how i found this forum) - which by the way is an antiracist pro-migration website.

If you want anything translated about the article on the documentary director Poul Heilbuth then I can surely translate it for you, but I dont think it will be of any help. The movies mentioned at http://illegalt.mahost.org/article.php3?id_article=79 are actually pretty good movies and not offensive or racist so from them it does not seem like he has a right wing agenda in general. Why he made this one, I don't know.

I dont know the movie you're discussing here (allthough now i got interested and read about it, it really sounds awefull) - but I actually live in Alaska, US, for the moment, so I dont watch much Danish or Swedish TV. I do know though, that there has been no debate about it in Danish media, so it probably hasnt been shown in Denmark.

It sounds to me like the plot of the movie finds in nicely with the "liberal" justification for a lot of atrocities in the European debate: We bomb people in other countries to "liberate" them, we oppress minorities in our own countries for their own good, and we fight migration and refugees in order to "help" them from the evil traffickers etc... "white mans burden" all over again.

So YES, such a movie could certainly be made in Denmark that portrayed muslims for example as culturally inferior backwards people who needs to be oppressed for their own good. Those movies are in Denmark called "The News" and are show every day.

Good luck with the antiracist campaign, and say so if anyone needs anything translated from or to Danish or Swedish.
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Ingeborg on February 09, 2008, 06:26:44 pm
   
http://illegalt.mahost.org/article.php3?id_article=79

April 2, 2006
DR topic on 'Illegal' Europe

Denmark's Radio [which is the term for both the state owned radio and TV station in Denmark] some time ago had a series of documentaries done under the title of "The illegal Europe". In several programmes, films, debates, and in books, the history of a Europe gets reported which at the one hand fights illegal immigration and at the same time is deeply dependent on illegal workforce who will do the hardest and lowest paid jobs.

"The illegal Europe" is also the history of Denmark which presents itself as 'Europe's tough place' - a place where living 'illegal' is a fact of everyday life.
The documentary will be published with a book and flanked by more TV programmes and debates as well as educational films and materials.


> Det andet Europa
The other Europe
DR1 [First Channel of Denmark's TV] documentary will be shown March 22, 2006 and is the first programme which widely debunks the history of illegal Europe. Poul-Erik Heilbuths documentary deals with the approx 5 million people who officially do not exist in Europe and who all the same can live in the European community without 'identity' and necessary documents.

The film also shows the political hypocrisy which creates 'illegal' immigrants by closing the borders of the European Fortress while European economy gladly exploits them.


> Danmark - Europas hårde hund
Denmark - Europe's tough place/tough guy
On March 28, 2006, DR2's Tuesday's Topic is titled 'Denmark - Europe's tough place'. A series of programmes sets the focus on illegal immigrants in Europe: why and how they come to Europe, where they live and how they survive here.
The millions of people in Europe without documents are without rights, but at the same time, they are an important workforce in many European countries - among them Denmark which has closed its borders against immigration and where it is extremely difficult to live without documents.


> DR-Undervisning
DR Education
DR Education has another four programmes dealing with the issue which will be aired in April. [...] These programmes can be ordered to show in class.

Book on "The illegal Europe"
DR's topic on illegal Europe has been edited by Poul-Erik Heilbuth, Tina Nørager Dahlstrøm og Vibeke Agerdal Nielsen, and offers a background for many of these programmes. Their research of the issue also went into the book which presents facts on the European fight against 'uncontrolled migration' and Europe's attitude towards 'illegal' immigrants.
The book also eals with Denmark's steadily increasing regulations against immigration and attempts at showing why Denmark has taken over the role of the most closed-off society in the locked Fortress Europe.

@Ole, glad to see you here! Can you pls check my translation?
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: NanticokePiney on February 10, 2008, 05:37:39 am
 I cross posted this on our own forum "Woodland Indians" because it needs to be spread as far as possible. I also sent it to our NCAI rep Dr. John Norwood who will spread it there. This is just insane and nauseating..

 Peace- Rich


Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Freija on February 10, 2008, 10:04:21 am
Just wanted to inform you that the film stays on the Internet for 30 days from the day it was aired. Which was 3rd February. Then it´ll be removed.

It will be showed here on Swedish TV AGAIN this afternoon!!
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: BMD on February 10, 2008, 07:26:00 pm
MORE NONSENSE FROM YEAGLEY
from the Bad Eagle journal (http://www.badeagle.org (http://www.badeagle.org))

David A. Yeagley appears twice in the propaganda video, Historiens Fångar ("prisoners of the past"), on Danish TV1* (2-4-08), with distortions and falsehoods videotaped in his mother’s old living room.

The video points out that indigenous people are suffering, but not from the net results of continuing racism and discrimination, oh no. The video falsely heaps that undeserved suffering on the indigenous people themselves and their leaders; it is all their own fault according to the video. It is a classic case of indigenous holocaust denial, denial of the continued harm that non-Indian discrimination causes, and another instance of a blatant blame-the-victim rationale.

The video confuses indigenous culture as a past reality that is no longer present today, versus the modern material life of non-Indians. On the one hand, the video champions the contemporary material life of “modern convenience,??? of which indigenous people are culturally accepting, of course, because indigenous people also are modern people. But the video falsely equates ‘material life’ with the requisite abandonment of modern indigenous culture in order for indigenous people to make use of those modern conveniences.

The video uses a straw man argument, by first relegating modern indigenous culture into the past, and then shooting down that hypothesis because indigenous people are not living in the past anymore. It’s a false argument to say indigenous people are culturally responsible for their own impoverishment, as — even today — indigenous people are still denied equal access to the same resources and opportunities readily available to non-indigenous people.

In other words, the video compares apples and oranges, in a double-standard, by falsely placing traditional indigenous life in the past and then denying the value of indigenous culture in the present day, completely forgetting that indigenous cultures are also a present-day reality.

Today’s indigenous people remain poor due to contemporary racism and predatory poverty, and it is to their credit that indigenous people have been able to maintain their cultural roots while facing the American holocaust, and ongoing oppression that still occurs from the aggressive colonizing powers.

The main reason indigenous people suffer today, of course, is from continued discrimination by non-Indians, massive abuse of indigenous rights and treaties, endemic theft of land and resources by the United States of America, and population control through imposed poverty.

Historiens Fångar is a propaganda video that uses a straw man argument against contemporary indigenous people, and David Yeagley has happily contributed his own racist and misogynist voice to aid the film’s mischaracterizations and falsehoods.

There should be no remaining doubt why the Comanche people shun David Yeagley, not after his latest “Comanche??? impersonation in this latest attack of holocaust-denial propaganda. The script of Yeagley’s two appearances in the propaganda video, with screen shots, is below (to see more screen shots, see original link to this article). Try not to puke.
_________________________________

YEAGLEY’S FIRST APPEARANCE

KEITH WINDSCHUTTLE

“Traditional Aboriginal culture
is gone. It’s a museum piece.
Most people don’t want to live
in a museum.???

[images of an Indian, chains,
and caged monkey behind bars]

NARRATOR

“Across the globe, we admire
indigenous peoples and their
pasts. But how do they and
their children live, once the
coach loads of tourist leave
their reservations????

DAVID YEAGLEY

“When the warrior was finally
defeated, he became the
reservation Indian??? (leaning
forehead toward camera for
added emphasis).

“Th, the loser. The alcoholic.
The depressed, keep-away-from-me,
leave-me-alone??? (swipes hand in
air for added emphasis).

[video of someone getting arrested]

NARRATOR

“In reality have the young
decedents of the proud warriors
and hunters of Greenland,
Australia and the U.S., been
trapped in all this by their
very own leaders????

[nebulous, unidentified,
intended-to-scare image]

WOMAN

“It’s quite obvious we’ve
marched a lot of years, and
nothing’s changed. So there’s
got to be another approach.???

[children playing in muddy water]

NARRATOR

“Does what-once-was really
hold the answers to their
deprivation????

“Or have the leaders trapped
their people and hobbled them
to the past????

[Title Screen: “Historiens
Fångar,??? with feathered
mask image intended to
mischaracterize Indians as
“primitive’]
_________________________________

YEAGLEY’S SECOND APPEARANCE

[video of police
detaining someone]

NARRATOR

“As the police take the little
girl away, we ask if there’s a
magic wand that could save the
Indian peoples. Would loads of
money prevent this human and
social deprivation at a stroke????

[images of slave chains, and the
stereotyped ‘feathered warrior’
Indian on horseback]

NARRATOR

“This is the way the proud Indians
were to be saved. It would bring
welfare to the poorest minority in
the country, the American Indians.???

[various generic 'B-roll' video
images from inside a casino]

DAVID YEAGLEY

“They have enriched a few. A few
families. Generally speaking, they
have not enriched Indian people
across the country.???

_________________________________

One of the more disgusting features of this propaganda film, is race-baiting one indigenous people against the others. None of the dark-skinned indigenous peoples were presented anywhere in this film as anything other than populations of primitive “problem??? people around the world.

However, when the video starts to posit hope for indigenous people, such as building colleges, creating chances for self-determination, employment and education opportunities, the producers sought out a white-skinned, blonde-haired young woman, Marit Anne Sara, from the Sami reindeer-herder tribe in northern Norway. The narrator described the Sami people as, literally, “the shining example??? for the rest of the world’s indigenous peoples, without mentioning any other indigenous college whatsoever from anywhere else on the planet.

So, rather than use footage they shot while at the Comanche Nation College in Lawton, Oklahoma, while they were there — to show an exemplary modern educational system by indigenous people — the propaganda producers utilized the light-complexioned Sami people as their uplifting example of indigenous empowerment, ignoring over 550 tribes in the mainland U.S. who also achieve professional success beyond the university and postdoctorate level. It was a disgusting thing to witness, the video actively trying to pit one indigenous people against all the other indigenous peoples; the basic plot of the entire propaganda video is one giant act of cinematic race-baiting.

For more of the back-story on the video's so-called "historian" and other white supremacist commentators used in this propaganda video, be sure to read the latest article over at http://www.DavidYeagley.org (http://www.DavidYeagley.org): Yeagley With Other White Supremacists in Racist Film Prisoners of the Past, as well. It is excellent.

Of course it must be pointed out, regarding Yeagley’s two appearances (above), that Indian “leaders??? are actually Indians too, chosen by the tribes themselves — born citizens of indigenous communities with whom they serve — and therefore a democratic part of the vital tribal communities from which they come. The idea of indigenous ‘leaders’ cannot to be twisted into some foreign monarchy ideology of enslaving the indigenous masses.

The Indian people are the ones who decide who and what they are by inherent sovereign initiative, not by decree of the United States of America. Yeagley simply plays along with the slipshod propaganda, as an unquestioning and unreasoning enabler. Yeagley’s lack of honest intellectual curiosity is obviously one of the reasons he was fired from a briefly-held instructor position, and why the Comanche Nation College has never taken seriously his application to teach inside the Comanche community.

It should be noted, too, that many tribal businesses — including casinos — greatly enrich not only the casino-owning tribes, but through tribe-to-tribe agreements, the other non-casino tribes as well. In Minnesota, in fact, there are revenue-sharing agreements in place between casino-tribes and non-casino tribes, and even a sharing agreement with the State of Minnesota.

The indigenous people recognize the need to share, and to lift all people up together. It’s this indigenous foundation of sharing and reciprocity, that permeates all Indian cultures, from the potlatch ceremonies of the northwest, to the stick ball and stomp dance gatherings of the southeast. From an indigenous point-of-view, we are all-in-this-together, in other words, a concept that eludes David Yeagley’s individualistic, and rather selfish, ideology.

On a more direct note, Yeagley claims citizenship in the Comanche Nation, who themselves own and manage at least three casino businesses:

    Comanche Nation Casino
    402 Southeast Interstate Drive
    Lawton, Oklahoma 73501

    Comanche Nation Star Casino
    Route 3 Post Office Box 82A
    Walters, Oklahoma 73572

    Comanche Spur Casino
    9047 US Hwy 62
    Elgin, Oklahoma 73538-2922

More importantly, it is confirmed from the tribal office, that Yeagley receives the same ‘per capita’ checks that all other tribal enrollees receive, an income generated directly from the Comanche casino profits. Yet, instead of giving back the tribal “handout??? in protest, Yeagley keeps it for himself — every single time!

How do you say: "I'm living off indigenous casino money, and could not hold onto a real paying job my entire life," in Danish or Comanche?

So, for all his backwards propaganda, enabling ideologies, misogyny blogging, self-loathing rants, and pseudo-intellectualism laced with denial, we can simply regard “David A. Yeagley??? as nothing more than a common hypocrite after all.
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Skully on February 10, 2008, 09:12:23 pm
It IS a shocking documentary: Yoogles and Al Googles.
Not married, but jes' really good friends.


[Barnaby's note]Everyone, this now-banned user's handle used to be 'Big Paulie'. His real name is Paul Rock Krech. Offensive image deleted. Grow up, Paul. I went out of my way to be fair to you when one of your relatives libelled you on this forum.
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: BMD on February 10, 2008, 09:54:15 pm
Yeagley is now advertising his latest video declaration at the John Belch Society: "His latest appearance is in a Danish Public Television documentary on the contemporary Comanche Nation of Oklahoma" like he's actually proud of this American Indian holocaust-denial video. So he's the tribal spokesperson for "the contemporary Comanche Nation of Oklahoma"?
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: dabosijigwokush on February 10, 2008, 10:49:04 pm
has any one got this downloaded so they cant say it never happened
if so please make it avalible to all
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: montanaredsky@hotm on February 10, 2008, 11:13:35 pm
I've said this before, to other's off this list..  We need to start making our own films.  
We could set up a web t.v .
and what I mean by "WE"....is "Any", that can do this, afford to do this ,that is.
Broadcast our own show's on issues that really need to be addressed.
Not to deal with trying to rebash those that bash us. But, the best way to educate other's that do not know any better.
Is to teach them., What?
That remains to be seen and talked over.

The only way to really battle this type of slur is to show the world that, some issues are not as they seem.
There are issues that must be delt with among all nations. Not just the native's of america.  
I'll not touch upon anything in peticular here.
Expose what needs to be exposed.
Even if it is among own own leaders.
May our leaders be strong and true to their people.
There are good and bad among all of us. We all have our problems as any other race.
We can not be defined by what other's think of us.
or can we?
All should be held accountable for their actions. Good or bad.
When people do good thing's ..good thing's happen.
And when people do bad thing's ... Don't you know, they are going to get their's?

Should we help them get their's...?

Be carful in the manner that you walk upon this earth....lest you step in the dropping's of another.

That is all that this is, the dropping's of another. Look out! You stepped in it!

Now you have to clean your shoes.

Montana

Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: NanticokePiney on February 10, 2008, 11:21:56 pm
 Does anybody know if Micheal Medved, Indian holocaust denier and buddy of Rush Limbaugh, grabbed this? I got a funny feeling we are gonna see a English version of this atrocity on FOX. I'm being serious here. This is something the neocons will pick up and run with.

 Peace- Rich
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: BMD on February 10, 2008, 11:55:17 pm
has any one got this downloaded so they cant say it never happened if so please make it avalible to all

It is an embedded video, that streams from their site, and there's no way to get it downloaded unless some can hack and get at it. But an alternative is to have someone with video capability to actually re-shoot the video as it streams, just like people used to cue up their VCRs to record TV programs in the past. The screen shots I obtained were simply computer screen "grabs" when I put the embedded video on pause. I personally do not have the proper computer videocard connection (installed video-card for a computer monitor) to record streaming video, but someone else may have that capability — Brent
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: dabosijigwokush on February 11, 2008, 12:47:19 am
found a way
using a vidio card that you can use a standard cable tv as the monitor

but running it through a cable vcr first , in record mode lol
will pick up one of the cards tomorrow
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: TelGega on February 11, 2008, 02:16:26 am
I honestly would have to read up and see more about this before I make any opinon or comment about it.
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Barnaby_McEwan on February 11, 2008, 01:05:29 pm
Earlier in the thread Freija posted a link you can use to watch it in either Realplayer or Windows Media Player.
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: BMD on February 11, 2008, 03:39:01 pm
I honestly would have to read up and see more about this before I make any opinon or comment about it.

see it and read up  :)
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: BMD on February 11, 2008, 03:43:52 pm
found a way using a vidio card that you can use a standard cable tv as the monitor but running it through a cable vcr first , in record mode lol will pick up one of the cards tomorrow

once you have it saved, if someone else has a firewire VHS input connection, an alternate digital copy could be preserved by playing the film back into the computer, saved as a DV file, and then converted in a compressed quicktime file (.mp4 is best). I actually DO have this capability, I'd only need a vhs copy of the propaganda video to accomplish it.
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Bryant on February 12, 2008, 01:58:10 am
Why doesn't someone write a good bulletin about this and I will send it around the internet by way of some e-mail groups and a group mavens I know pretty well. This is horrifying.

Bryant
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: BMD on February 12, 2008, 05:29:20 am
great idea, and I have now updated the transcript of all four of David Yeagley's appearances in the propaganda video at www.badeagle.org (http://www.badeagle.org).

Tuesday Tomorrow) I will add another article with more details about Yeagley being hired by the film company in the first place, and also a response to his half-baked "retraction" now appearing on his own white supremaicist site, in his lame attempt to now distance himself from his own stupidity.

Till then, good night all.
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Barnaby_McEwan on February 12, 2008, 01:09:46 pm
Thanks for your work on this, Brent. Meanwhile, do I detect the sound of aneurysms popping Down Under?

An invitation to the future (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/feb/12/australia?gusrc=rss&feed=worldnews)
The apology to the Stolen Generations may not alter the lives of Aboriginal people. But it is a crucial step for all Australians.

Quote
Millions marched for this cause. Sorry Days were held, with extraordinary town hall meetings where many wept, and Sorry Books filled with individual Australians' own apologies. There was at the heart of the reconciliation movement a sense that it offered all Australians a necessary and cathartic rapprochement that might enable the nation to finally go forward.

But for 11 years it did not happen.

John Howard, willing to apologise to home owners for rising interest rates, would not say sorry to Aborigines. He refused to condone what he referred to as "a black armband version" of history, preferring a jingoistic nationalism. He promoted a revisionist school of history that claimed the suffering of Aboriginal Australia had been grossly overstated. He went so far as to install one of that school's leading proponents, Keith Windschuttle, on the board of the Australian Broadcasting Commission.
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: BMD on February 12, 2008, 03:00:05 pm
Quote
John Howard, willing to apologise to home owners for rising interest rates, would not say sorry to Aborigines. He refused to condone what he referred to as "a black armband version" of history, preferring a jingoistic nationalism. He promoted a revisionist school of history that claimed the suffering of Aboriginal Australia had been grossly overstated. He went so far as to install one of that school's leading proponents, Keith Windschuttle, on the board of the Australian Broadcasting Commission.

yes. it's time everyone start calling this selective amnesia what it is, indigenous holocaust denial. it's in all three places this film focused on: the U.S.A., Greenland, and Australia. It's an effort to simply forget and move along, forget the past atrocities in order to preserve the current status quo free of guilt, no longer any moral need to take responsibility for the past, etc. It is denial of the holocaust, in support of the caste systems that resulted from the holocausts.
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: educatedindian on February 12, 2008, 03:06:17 pm
The good news is that this letter I sent is being passed around quite a bit. The Green Party in Sweden reposted a translated version.

http://mp.se/templates/Mct_78.aspx?avdnr=18951&number=145107

The original:


An Open Letter to Poul-Erik Heilbruth and Ingmar Persson:


Dear Mr. Heilbruth and Mr. Persson,

 I am Dr. Al Carroll. I am a history professor for the Alamo Community College District in San Antonio, Texas, in the United States. I have written books and articles on American Indian history and am American Indian myself. My ancestry is Mescalero Apache, as well as Mexican and Irish.

This letter to you both will be posted online and sent to as many media sources as possible, in both the United States and Scandinavia. I want everyone to know just what a travesty the two of you have foisted upon the public by making and broadcasting your racist film, doing enormous damage to indigenous peoples worldwide by your promotion of outright cultural genocide.

I have just seen your documentary "Prisoners of the Past" online. As a historian, I have never seen such a poorly done work filled with one falsehood and distortion after another. It is as appalling to watch your film as it is to see a Nazi rant about Jews. Both are equally filled with lies.

There are so many falsehoods that it is hard to know where to begin. But to start with, the biggest error in your film is this:

YOU USED THREE WHITE SUPREMACISTS AS SOURCES.

David Yeagley, Barbara Lindsay, and Keith Winschuttle ARE WHITE SUPREMACISTS and on the extreme Far Right of the political spectrum.

Two of them, Yeagley and Lindsay, are open members of white supremacist groups.

What you did is as insane as using Nazis or the Nation of Islam as a source on Jews.

I have to ask: Did you KNOWINGLY use white supremacists as your sources?

Are you white supremacists yourselves?

Or did you just do such a poor job of research that you did not know?

If you did not know, then I urge you in the strongest possible terms to apologize for your mistakes, withdraw the film, and hopefully reshoot it with the voices of actual Native people instead.

Let me provide with the proof you SHOULD have known about long BEFORE you started filming, that Yeagley, Lindsay, and Windschuttle are openly racist, white supremacist extremists.

Barbara Lindsay:

Barbara Lindsay is a leading member of the white supremacist group One Nation. She claims to have a small amount of Cherokee Indian ancestry, but is not a member of any tribe. She was expelled from a Cherokee heritage club.

David Yeagley is NOT American Indian at all. He is an imposter who POSES as Indian. His stepmother was Comanche Indian, and based on that he was mistakenly enrolled.

Yeagley is a member of or tied to the following white supremacist and extremist groups:

John Birch Society (anti Semitic conspiracy theorists)

National Alliance (white supremacist)

Stormfront (Neo Nazi skinheads)

Gene Expression (eugenicists)

VDARE (self described as "white nationalists")

Windschuttle is not a conservative, he's outright racist, and often makes up "facts" to support his racism. His take on history so bizarre and filled with lies he can't find an academic publisher and has to go to vanity publishers.

But he and his supporters seem to imagine that because he's clearly seen as racist is somehow proof that academia has been taken over by leftists. In fact most historians tend to be quite conservative, certainly in the sense of cautious.

See for yourselves what far better historians have to say about an open racist like Windschuttle.

http://blogs.usyd.edu.au/thinkingculture/2006/08/australias_racist_cultures.html
"Further, you can find a very thorough analysis of the various ways in which racism manifests in Keith Windschuttle's self-published (as opposed to 'serious academic') research in 'Whitewash: On Keith Windschuttle's Fabrication of Aboriginal History', Black Inc. Agenda, 2003. The book contains contributions from scholars across the Australian academy."

Windschuttle is pretty racist towards Asians too, imagining them "taking over," that whites are "endangered", and that being racist is central to white Australian identity.

http://www.borderlandsejournal.adelaide.edu.au/vol5no1_2006/perera_raceterror.htm

"22. Anglo-Australian men as an endangered species in the law are only a part of Fraser's apocalyptic vision of the future. In an article, "Rethinking the White Australia Policy" (a review of Keith Windschuttle's book, The White Australia Policy), Fraser asserts:

Within two or three decades, it is not unreasonable to expect that Australia will have a heavily Asian managerial-professional, ruling class that will not hesitate to promote the interests of co-ethnics at the expense of white Australians. (Fraser 2005b).

23. Fraser supports this statement with the fantastic notion, as recapped by Windschuttle, that "Europeans ... evolved in a cold climate to support non-kinship forms of reciprocity and thus to welcome strangers," while "Chinese and Japanese businessmen operate within mafia-like, extended family clans that are bound by shared genes to support one another" (Windschuttle 2005)....

Despite their internal differences, however, Windschuttle, Fraser and Duffy represent an institutionalised and politically powerful configuration of contemporary Australian nationalism that exists on a continuum with assertions of race pride that are usually disowned as extremist....

30. The most distinctive feature of the formation represented by Duffy and Windschuttle is its foregrounding of Anglo-Australian achievement and white racial pride. Its platform is premised on a whitewashing (Manne 2003) of Australian history, especially of the violence directed towards Indigenous people and their ongoing resistances."

Your film's premises blame the victims throughout, and show a lack of understanding of the most basic facts.

I can only hope you made these mistakes because you did not realize that you were being told lies by white supremacists.

Again, I urge you to admit your mistakes, apologize, and withdraw this awful, racist film you have made.

Thank you,
Dr. Al Carroll
Alamo Community College District
San Antonio, Texas, USA
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: BMD on February 13, 2008, 01:06:30 am
20 HALF-BAKED RETRACTIONS BY DAVID YEAGLEY
from the Bad Eagle journal (www.badeagle.org (http://www.badeagle.org))

White supremacist David A. Yeagley is feeling the heat, and is suddenly wanting to retract the videotaped statements he so enthusiastically provided for the propaganda video: Historiens Fångar ("prisoners of the past" or "history's prisoners").

But the explanations Yeagley now gives, are just as inaccurate as the videotaped ones, and must largely be considered as mediocre attempts to backtrack and keep an imagined favor with Indian people. For two reasons, Yeagley’s retractions are simply half-baked: A. he is not regarded in any positive way from Indian people so there is no logical reason to backtrack at all; and, B. he is not actually retracting anything important.

Let’s take a closer look at the basic twenty points that Yeagley hopes to pass off as Historiens Fångar retractions, and why those rationalizations fail miserably.   READ MORE ...
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Defend the Sacred on February 13, 2008, 01:23:36 am
Heyyy, the film is on the Internet! See if this works:

http://svt.se/svt/road/Classic/shared/mediacenter/index.jsp?&d=13276&lid=puff_492362&lpos=extra_0

The video at the above link now is "Sami nieida jojk". In order to see "Prisoners of the Past" (sic), you now have to go to the menu on the right and click on the second program, "Historiens fångar".

I've been offline with the flu, but finally got a chance to see this wretched piece of propaganda. I've blogged about it on blogspot and LJ, posted it to the CAORANN list (reposted Al's open letter in all three places), and written Poul-Erik Heilbruth and Ingmar Persson.

I really hate the way they exploited the indigenous people they did talk to. I wonder if they had any idea how their stories would be used.  :(
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: olefos on February 13, 2008, 09:26:23 am
I am really surprised that anyone can get away with such productions today. It tells me we've still got a way ahead of us to get out of the backwaters of deliberate negative stereotyping, or might one say social darwinism?. It is so ill produced that it must be some kind of political agenda behind it. How can one get hand on just these "experts" without an agenda? The other replys in this forum is telling about that.



Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Freija on February 13, 2008, 02:29:11 pm
I got a call from a person who had phoned Swedish TV and talked to them.  They said they had been flooded with complaints and were pretty shocked about the reactions. This had made them look through the film again, but could see no signs of "racism" - it was merely a film that looked at the problems from a different perspective. Basically, they did not understand the reactions at all and as for the professor.....well, he was a professor....therefore he could not be racist. (huh?)

Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: frederica on February 14, 2008, 04:30:15 pm
Saying he is a professor, therefore excluded is like saying Joseph Mengele was a Doctor. I don't think Mengele followed the Hippocratic Oath. They need to look at the alliances. Really pretty ridiculous.
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: V Hawkins on February 16, 2008, 05:14:02 pm
I just wrote a real witty message only for it to say I'd timed out. So I relogged in and hit "send" again and it said I was sending an empty message. So I hit the "<-" key back to the message and hit "send" again. A Message came back saying I'd already sent it.  . . .whew . . . darn . . .

. . . story of my life, in a nutshell.

ANYHOW, I live in Southwestern Oklahoma. I've never heard of this guy. I think (not positive) tribal membership requires 1/4 Comanche blood. Something about this story seems . . . hmmm . . .

I am in Lawton at least once every month or 2 for one reason or another. Their tribal headquarters is half way between I 44 and Wichita Mountain Wildlife Refuge. During the Dust Bowl dad helped build tose dams, campsites, and trails in the CCCs, that are in the refuge. I just ran a half a marathon last fall (not bad for a 55 year old) through that area. We used to hold family reunions in the wildlife refuge when I was a child. This is my home.

I couldn't imagine him actually visiting REAL Comanche's -- I have a lot of experience with frauds, and they usually stay away from the TRUE homeland of their obsession. I suspect he'll never come back here, but for the rest of his life will talk about the "real Indians" he's seen . . . but if he could run for office, seems lie he must have been at least 1/4th Comanche. I mist be overlooking something, or missing something.

When did this Comanche election take place? I'd like to search the "Lawton Constitution" -- local newspaper -- and see what it has in it. If I have the date this election took place, it should be easy to find.

vh
Title: The Ideology Behind the Documentary "History's Prisoners"
Post by: Didgebaba on February 16, 2008, 09:50:17 pm
If you are interested in understanding some of the ideology behind Kieth Windschuttle this article may help:

Doing it for the Kids
On the pretext of a child sexual abuse crisis in Australia’s Northern Territory the Howard government passed emergency legislation and prepared a land invasion of aboriginal areas by police, doctors and the army. Elizabeth Povinelli locates this latest state of exception in a wider neoliberal project to impose work and austerity. Images and text box by Benedict Seymour

In July 2007 I was living in a small remote aboriginal community called Bulgul, on the coast of Anson Bay, Northern Territory, with a group of aboriginal men, women and children. Most of them were living in tents. These people had been driven out of their homes in another indigenous community called Belyuen located about 300 kilometres from Bulgul. Wielding axes, chainsaws, pickets, and rocks, other members of the community chased them into the scrub on 15 March. Then they ransacked their houses and stole their goods. Initially no one was charged. The police investigation seemed minimal at best. Without any prospect of housing in Darwin, and not wishing to live as part of the urban poor, these exiled people had been promised housing at Bulgul where they could live on land that belonged to their pre-colonial ancestors. Under Australian property law this land is currently defined as ‘aboriginal freehold’.[1] Months later they are still living in tents, hauling water and firewood, while, just kilometres away, non-aboriginal people live in houses on aboriginal freehold.

Fullt Article Here: http://www.metamute.org/en/Doing-It-for-The-Kids
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: educatedindian on February 18, 2008, 01:37:46 pm
Good news I got in an email from a Green Party member in Sweden:
 
"I have spoken to one of the directors on SVTs department for documentaries and issues of society.
 
He was, at first, both agressive, hurt and defensive...couldnt understand the massive criticism they have recieved, after showing this film.
 
he told me: - You should be very careful before you call these people
( "selfproclaimed experts?" ) in the film: racists. And then went on :- show me some proof! of these allegations."

Even if the director is being deliberately clueless, he doesn't help his own case. The "documentary" had Windschuttle himself admitting he's widely viewed as a racist. And the proof that Yeagley and Lindsay are racists is overwhelming. Yeagley is even proud of the label.

The next part is pretty good news:
 
"We are in the process of forming a "Scandinavian Forum for Indigenous Peoples
Rights". The founding members are of Saami and Mapuche heritage.
Discussions is now going on, regarding what steps we can take, to further act
on this situation. A complaint has been made to the "Gransknings nämnden" for TV a department that investigates the content of TV shows and films, to see if there are violations against any group of people, human rights, inaccuracies etc."

So hopefully the many protests will lead to it being more difficult for this racist film to find an audience elsewhere, or keep similar films from being made. And opposition to the film has become a rallying point.

Just the opposite of what the film tried to do!

I hope Holbruth goes broke and learns his lesson the hard way.
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: V Hawkins on February 24, 2008, 03:56:13 pm
Well I was hoping the Comanches would help me out here, so I wrote an email to the tribal official who seemed more apted to know about tribal requirements for enrollment, et cetera. I said --

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1523.0;all

I just wanted someone at the Comanche Nation to know yall are being talked about on the message board above.

I am writing you specifically because in concerns th enrollment of one tribal member. They are saying Dr. Yeagley is an enrolled member of the Comanche Nation, enrolled mistakenly because of his step-mother. I might be wrong, but doesn't the Comanche Nation require 1/4th blood quantum? I might be wrong about that. Also they talk about his roll in a Comanche election held recently. Shouldn't someone who was "mistakenly" enrolled be de-enrolled? Anyhow, I was hoping for clarification. Also I am hoping that someone from the Comanche Nation might go to the message board (link above) and clarify things there.

Thanks for your time.

Vance Hawkins

=================================

The reply was disheartening -- she sort of chewed me out, just a little :( . Her response is below.

----

From: Donna A. Wahnee
To: Vance Hawkins
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: Who is Dr. David A. Yeagley?

Mr. Hawkins,

I am the Director of the Enrollment Department and had taken over as so in September 07.  I cannot discuss any matters that pertain to tribal members information due to confidentiality laws.  However, you can go online to comanchenation.com and see what requirements are needed to be enrolled.  Also, I cannot and will not go onto any message board to post any information.  I am very confident about my department and their adherence to policy and procedures. 

Donna A. Wahnee

Enrollment Director
PO Box 908
Lawton, OK 73502
580-492-3775 Phone
580-492-6389 Fax
donnaw@cne-mail.com

================================

Al,  I'd thought since I live nearby I'd see about contacting the Comanche Nation. Obviously my request hit her the wrong way.  She gave a phone number so maybe I could call back -- maybe voice to voice I'd get a beter response. Maybe I could ask her if there is someone she could direct me to who might be able to discuss Dr. Yeagley? Part of em wants me to leave it alone and part of me wants to dig deeper simply because oif the tone of her response, like she was trying to scare me off from investigating it further. Why? hmmm . . . I love a mystery . . . She has me more curious than ever as to how he got his Comanche citizenship. . .

Also she said she just took over her job in September, so maybe that is when the election was? But the election might have been months earlier, so I still might be beating my head against the wall if I went to check out the "Lawton Constitutution" newspaper for articles. Maybe I coould just ask someone at the newspaper and they COULD TELL ME when it was. Why didn't I think of tha earlier?
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: V Hawkins on February 24, 2008, 05:19:32 pm
I just went to the "Lawton Constitution" website, hit "contacts" and they provided an email address for one of their writers on "Indian Affairs" - SO -- I wrote him/her, mentioned this message board, and hopefully he/she is curious enough to research Dr. Yeagley.

Their website also had a "search button, and they only mentioned Dr. Yeagley twice, and both references were with respect an upcoming election -- one in November one in December 2007.

I just hope the newspaper is more curious about Dr. Yeagley than the Comanche Tribal representative was. In all honesty, she didn't have any idea who I was, and her response was really what I, as a stranger to her, might have expected. It ispossible she knew just as little of Dr. Yeagley as I did.

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Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: BMD on February 24, 2008, 05:32:08 pm
Wahnee — "I am the Director of the Enrollment Department and had taken over as so in September 07.  I cannot discuss any matters that pertain to tribal members information due to confidentiality laws.  However, you can go online to comanchenation.com and see what requirements are needed to be enrolled.  Also, I cannot and will not go onto any message board to post any information.  I am very confident about my department and their adherence to policy and procedures."

Hawkins — "Obviously my request hit her the wrong way.  She gave a phone number so maybe I could call back -- maybe voice to voice I'd get a better response. Maybe I could ask her if there is someone she could direct me to who might be able to discuss Dr. Yeagley?"

It does not come across in a hostile way, just in a "business" way. They probably get this same inquiry often, considering Yeagley's behavior. They might be growing tired of the inquiry, is what I mean. And have taken to giving out a "hard-nosed policy" to all such inquiries, "by the book." I also would not expect their office to want to get involved in blog boards, that seems rather anti-business in tone, as well. So my reading of this, is you received a hard policy statement, not a personal one, intentionally so. They want to perhaps keep themselves out of the fray regarding Yeagley's antics, out of something we might call "Yeagley fatigue."
Title: FYI
Post by: littlefeatherspiri on March 06, 2008, 01:10:57 am
http://onepeoplesproject.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1107&Itemid=27

Yeagley tagged as a racist writer for vdare
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: BMD on March 07, 2008, 05:25:32 pm
YEAGLEY BAPTIZED AS A WHITE SUPREMACIST
from the Bad Eagle blog

Three articles appeared recently on the web we just had to share. First, the anti-hate watch group One People’s Project has christened David Yeagley on their list of white supremacists; congratulations little david. Another important posting of Yeagley’s willing participation in that racist propaganda video “Historiens Fångar??? was posted over at Open Anthropology. And lastly, Intercontinental Cry posted yet another article regarding Yeagley's disgusting display of anti-Indian self-aggrandizing. OA and IC both receive the official Bad Eagle "kudos" for today... READ MORE http://www.BadEagle.org (http://www.BadEagle.org)
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: frederica on March 07, 2008, 09:08:08 pm
Wow, he not leaving himself much wiggle room on this one. To be supported by a right wing racist hate group that is aligned with Neo-Nazis kinda tops it off. Even SLPC has them down as a hate group. Sould be interesting.
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: BMD on March 23, 2008, 03:39:40 pm
The Yeagley Logic, "Psychologically Speaking"
from the Bad Eagle blog

Yes, every so often, Bad Eagle dot ORG chances across some truth telling on Yeagley’s blog. Unfortunately, it does not come from him, however. Let’s tune-in to a recent string of comments, and see what’s shakin’ over at Yeagley’s white supremacy blog. From what I see, it seems to be a squabble over who is a real Indian and who is not, plus a recognition of Yeagley’s huge error in speaking on behalf of the Comanche People in the propaganda film Historiens Fångar.

For more backstory on Yeagley’s support for the film, and leadership role in it as the official Comanche spokesperson, you can go HERE and HERE. Okay, let’s tune-in and see what’s going on at the great white throne blog:

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BE Member — “DAY-Your refusal to accept any responsibility for actions or efforts concerning your documentary and the Comanche tribe is quite understandable. Your bridge to Lawton is burned and you know it. Why waste time admitting fault when it won't unmake the film, reverse time or placate the enemies you've already made in the tribe...

READ MORE (http://www.badeagle.org)
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: Kevin on March 24, 2008, 11:39:38 am
-sounds like some neo-nazis getting some propoganda  practice in for the Jews
Title: Re: Shocking documentary about Native Americans
Post by: V Hawkins on April 13, 2008, 03:59:24 pm
BMD -- You are probably right. I just get frusttrated sometimes.

Also the Lawton Constitution (Lawton Newspaper) never emailed me back when I wrote them about him. hmmm . . .

http://www.lawton-constitution.com/

Just now I went to their web site and got "this website can not be displayed" message. They had a contact page if I recall it right, and one of their writer's email addresses was to discuss Native American issues. Maybe someone can email them. I'll try again too, if I can get their website to come up.

vh