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Barbara Lee White AKA Kachinas Kutenai
« on: March 12, 2006, 07:11:10 pm »
She's showed up briefly before in one thread. Didn't have much at the time, but she's since been discovered all over German sites. Yet again, thanks to Ingeborg, whose putting in an awful lot of time doing research and translating.

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Kachinas Kutenai. I found 192 Grrman language sites on her; the total for all languages is 266.

---- ? www.redestab.de
According to this site (the name translates as 'talking stick' btw), KK was born in 1935 on the Gila River rez in Arizona; she is said to be a Chiricahua Apache.

--- ?  ?  www.avrecording.de/huc04.htm
Announces and event with KK as a speaker on 'Clearvoyance regarding mother earth and father sky

--- ?  ?  www.pz-testudo.de/selbst.html

The bio of a German woman going by the name of 'Arupa'. Bio says she started out with Osho, then studied with Frank Natale.
Now she is described as "interpretor and translator for her Indian 'grandmother' and mentor Kachinas Kutenai, an Apache shaman and medicine woman".

English sites:

www.drboylan.com/stfamcf2.html

www.collegeofthedesert.edu/Students/Academics/CommunityEducation/index.asp?id=297

Al's note: Not certain why KK'd be born on Gila River rez, it's Pima and Maricopa. The Chiricahuas are mostly over at San Carlos rez, some at White Mountain. And that name of hers...

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Re: "Kachinas Kutenai"
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2008, 10:09:30 am »
 I joined this Board *specifically* to address the "Truth" of Kachinas Kutenai for I know her personally (tho' I do not expect ANYone to "take my word for it.")
 Yes, she was born in 1935 on the Gila Reservation of Arizona. Perhaps the confusion as to her (Chiricahua)ancestry may be "settled" by what I have learned of the Apache.
 Caused by the same (White) ignorance that "lumps" all Latinos into the same category/People, be they Cuban, Puerto Rican, Mexican, Guatemalan... or Spanish, in the late 1800s, the US Gov't imprisoned many Apache Peoples, be they Jicarilla, White Mountain... and Chiracahua, et al, with the Mescalero Peoples on the Mescalero Reservation of New Mexico. (I currently live in Ruidoso, NM, a "stones throw" away from the rez and am presently researching the Mescalero's Story. I'm a writer, btw.) --I even had a (Mescalero) friend tell me Geronimo was full-blooded Navajo! (I believe this comes from the translation of the word/s "Apache" and "Navajo" to mean "Enemy"--the same as "Anasazi." --Ah, anthropologists! <sigh>)
 If you will GOOGLE "Native American Healing" (her book), you can find her full bio (which is a "mile long"). Briefly: White educated, she became a Registered Nurse, married, had children and, after a "health crisis" and suffering serious side-effects from the "White Coats 'medicine'," abandoned Western Medicine for good.
 Returning to the "Old Ways" as taught by her (blind) Grand Mother (walking in Balance, diet, herbs <"Plant Medicine">, etc.) --she set about to heal herself... and the Planet, as well.
 Active in the (VietNam) anti-war movement, drug and alcohol abuse, "troubled" Native American youth, et al, she was credited with (the only case of) turning an HIV+ person to one virus-free. (Altho' she would be the *first* to say *all* Healing comes from the Great Spirit and "Healers" are but the "agents.")
 At some point, she recognized the "troubles" of the Peoples and Planet to be *so* great, a more *radical* approach was needed and decided to go back to the "core"--the educational system/s. This is (I believe) the reason for her extensive travels to Europe and Germany, specifically. The proceeds go to the founding of (her) "Sacred Rainbow Circle Center," a learning center for *all* peoples. (Its philosophy may also be found in the book I cited above.)
 In writing this post (with an eye on brevity), I have been wracking my brain to come up with some sort of "proof" of her Truth for you and came upon (translated from the German, thanks to GOOGLE's translation engine) a young woman's comment after attending one of her lectures.
 "What can I do to help your People?" the woman says she asked and Kachinas Kutenai replied, "Learn about your own People and help *them* first..."
 Having had the same said to *me* in the 70s by an A.I.M. representative (except *he*added, "...and leave my People ALONE!" I took his words to heart and left college 2 months later), I hope this resonates with *you* the same way it did me.
 I know you do not know me "from Adam." As I stated before, I do not expect you to "take my words for it" -- nevertheless, *my* life, for one, has been *forever* changed by her. Any concern you have that she is not for "Real" is without merit. ANYone in her presence *Feels* her Power (and *I* have Seen it), *Knows* she is Wise-- ALL, upon meeting her, wish to "sit at her feet and learn." For she has MUCH to offer. She IS the "real deal" and has "walked the walk" for YEARS.
 Thank you for hearing me out.
 "Silverbonn" ("Blindfolded One")

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Re: "Kachinas Kutenai"
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2008, 02:30:27 pm »
"Yes, she was born in 1935 on the Gila Reservation of Arizona. Perhaps the confusion as to her (Chiricahua)ancestry may be "settled" by what I have learned of the Apache.
 Caused by the same (White) ignorance that "lumps" all Latinos into the same category/People, be they Cuban, Puerto Rican, Mexican, Guatemalan... or Spanish, in the late 1800s, the US Gov't imprisoned many Apache Peoples, be they Jicarilla, White Mountain... and Chiracahua, et al, with the Mescalero Peoples on the Mescalero Reservation of New Mexico."

That doesn't really explain why an Apache would be born on the Pima rez.

"If you will GOOGLE "Native American Healing" (her book), you can find her full bio (which is a "mile long")."

Google wasn't much help. Amazon doesn't have her bio with her books.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/104-6106571-8743128?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Kachinas%20Kutenai

Do you have a link to that bio, Silverbonn?

"she was credited with (the only case of) turning an HIV+ person to one virus-free."

Do you have a source you could show us about that?

" At some point, she recognized the "troubles" of the Peoples and Planet to be *so* great, a more *radical* approach was needed and decided to go back to the "core"--the educational system/s. This is (I believe) the reason for her extensive travels to Europe and Germany, specifically."

That's strange reasoning. Europeans no longer have any control over Native lands and peoples. If she wanted to help her people, she'd be with them. If she wanted to change the systems that affect her people, she'd be trying to change the systems in the US, Canada, or Latin America.

"The proceeds go to the founding of (her) "Sacred Rainbow Circle Center," a learning center for *all* peoples."

And yet the center is in Europe, correct? Probably in Germany. It doesn't do anything for her people, and I doubt if it has a single Native person learning in it, just white Europeans. How much does the center charge?

"Any concern you have that she is not for "Real" is without merit. ANYone in her presence *Feels* her Power (and *I* have Seen it), *Knows* she is Wise-- ALL, upon meeting her, wish to "sit at her feet and learn."

I've been to Europe. I know from experience that many Europeans take anything an Indian says as great wisdom. There's a guy in Sweden who goes around lecturing that "plants need water". No kidding. And people pay him huge amounts of money for this.

Possibly being a charismatic speaker is not proof of anything, nor is how she makes you feel. I don't doubt her affect on you is genuine, but almost everything else you says just leaves us with more questions.

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Re: "Kachinas Kutenai"
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2008, 02:12:48 pm »

I have done another search for KK, and there are still some 160 results coming up just in
German language. She seems to have a long record of doing seminars etc in Europe,
as I found entries covering several years, dating back to 1997. KK also makes regular
appearances at esoteric congresses, with a few more quite interesting persons. Not all
of the sites have price tags, but I found some.


http://www.wrage.de/kgs/1103k_kutenai.htm

"A medicine woman speaks - Kachinas Kutenai in Schwarzenbek
Quiet, full of dignity, and at the same time with an enormous strength and intensitiy,
Kachinas opens the mind and the hearts of those persons who seek to be close to
her during workshops and lectures. The shaman and tribal elder is recognized as
an expert on alternative healing methods in the USA and in Europe. She taught at
universities and did lectures on many congresses. She shows a path to find and
keep inner peace in everyday life and teaches us "native healing", the Indian way
of becoming whole.

Lecture: Nov 21, 2003 8 p.m., Workshop "Native Healing" Nov 22/23, 2003
Indiviual counceling possible, please book in advance."


At a different section of the same site, an ad for an event in 2005:
http://www.wrage.de/kgs/0805k_grabolle.htm

"For several years now Kachinas Kutenai, medicine woman of the Apache, has
been coming to Hamburg. It is important to her to carry the wisdom to Europe
which since centuries has been reserved to the Indians. This weekend will be
for healing. There will be an open evening and two seminars of one day each.
She teaches us about messages and meanings of power animals, of those
which accompany us for our life and others who suddenly appear in our life
to tell us something. During the second seminar, she will teach us about
healing energies and how we can use them to help us and others.
Indiviual counceling from Oct 3, 2005. Please do book in advance!

Dates:
Sep 30, 2005: Open Evening "A medicine woman speaks"
Fee: EURO 20

Oct 1, 2005: Seminar "Power Animals and their Meaning"
Fee: EURO 105

Oct 2, 2005: Seminar "Healing Energies
Fee: EURO 105"


This site offers some info about KK's curriculum vitae and 'work':
http://www.redestab.de/kutenai/index.html

"Kachinas Kutenai         
Healer and medicine woman of the Apache
    
Kachinas Kutenai, born Jan 1935 on the Indian reservation at Gila River
in Arizona, is among the recognized persons in alternative healing in USA
and Europe. She has been and still gets invited to numerous congresses
and conferences as a speaker, does lectures at universities, so e.g. at
Stanford, Berkely [sic] and Reno and did courses at a college.
The US Senate invited her as an expert to speak to a comitee on alternative
healing methods. With her own TV series "Medicine Woman Speaks", she
went on air for two years on a local TV station in San Diego. With her initiative,
"Sacred Rainbow Circle" came into being, a charitable organisation against
racism and misogyny.      
Her work encompasses healing with the hidden powers of nature, using the
power of colours, healing stones and other power objects, of the harmonizing
effects of sounds, use of herbs and recipes, (healing) ceremonies and rituals,
trainings in visualization and much more.
She has healing successes which have been proven clinically with AIDS
patients and treats cancer.
She has written two books, "Medicine woman speaks", and "American Indian
healing" and contributed to many more.
In more than 35 years of work in healing, also as an examinated nurse for
many years, and due to the strong connection to her Indian ancestors, she
does not only have her shamanic healing abilities, but also a vast knowledge
on healing methods with roots dating back millenia which she combines with
Western medicine.
Kachinas will be in Cologne between June 6-12, 2004, indiviual counceling
with her can be booked, she will have her own booth at the fair on June 10,
2004, and on June 12/13, she will be leading a weekend workshop during
which she will do a medicine wheel with participants and take them into a
sweatlodge."

This entry is quite interesting, as KK apparently does not mind causing the
impression that she has successfully healed AIDS and cancer patients - in
fact, DAs in Germany will mind, as this happens to be regarded illegal in Germany.



http://www.kgsberlin.de/archiv/display_entry/art14927/?PHPSESSID=fntab9erjk9c4tip4mi3q92gf7
This announces an event with KK:
"A new balance between genders (edition April 2002)
An evening of experience - with the Apache medicine woman Kachias Kutenai"


This is an ad for an esoteric/nuage congress in the Swiss town of Basel in
2000:
http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:c4JzzUK0IOwJ:www.psi-tage.ch/rueckblicke/2000/referenten.doc+%22Kachinas+Kutenai%22&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=de&lr=lang_de

KK is named as a lecturer appearing in the main programme during the Congress
"Reincarnation - Folly or Reality" during the 18th Basel Psi-Days



This is for a congress in 2003
http://www.avrecording.de/suw03.htm
KK is announced as a lecturer, with a few more quite interesting persons who
seem to merit a research:

"Spirituality and World Peace
Dec 4-7, 2003
Indian Shamans Scientist-Spiritual Teachers give Impulses
Organizer: Die Andere Realitaet (the other reality)
www.d-a-r.de

Among the lecturers listed:
Grupo Calli und Devalon Small Legs
F. Wegner: Why a spiritual political party is necessary
Kachinas Kutenai: Concepts for World Peace through Spiritual Activity
Grupo Calli: Aztec Dances and Rites for Peace
Tacan'sina: Peace ceremony of the Mandan people
Standing Eagle: A new Rise of "All my Relations"
Aztec Shamans, Kachinas Kutenai, Deval. Small Legs and others: Powwow
Devalon Small Legs: The Use of Indian herbal medicine today
J. Reuben Silverbird: Welcome blessing ceremony
Lightening Bear [sic]

Note: Lightning Bear aka Pushican aka John Colbert aka John Cobbert, a white
person claiming to be 'the' Comanche medicine man, has been researched at
NAFPS before. His appearance at this 2003 congress is interesting, as Colbert
has been tried and convicted for sexual abuse/torture of some of his followers
(incl. one minor) by a German court of justice in the year 2000.


At the same site, there is an info on their 2004 congress:
"Clearvoyance and Channeling and Pre-Astronautics and Ufology
May 28-31, 2004
sound_thm.gif (1042 Byte) Audio/Videomitschnitte vidcam3.gif (1245 Byte)

Organizer: Die Andere Realitäet
Kachinas Kutenai: UFOs from an Indian point of view May 31, 04 14:45, 45 minutes
Kachinas Kutenai: Clearvoyance in regard to Mother Earth and Father Sky - May 30, 05, 17:30


Here's another one with a price tag from last year:
http://www.danielwelt.de/forum/thread.php?threadid=30311&threadview=0&hilight=&hilightuser=0&sid=374518a607e1b3888a1ee26469eda4b2&page=194

"May 30, 2007
INDIAN HEALING

Kachinas Kutenai combines conservative medical knowledge with shamanic healing
abilities.
KK: teaching ancient healing methods....
The healer, shaman, and medicine woman of the Apache, born in 1935!!![sic] will
visit the North of Germany in order to do a women's power ceremony and a men's
power ceremony with Spirit Bear.

The essence of these powerful rituals which women and men will spend in separated
groups is to understand and accept oneself as a soul in a female or male body, to
honour oneself and to experience in order to take over responsibility to be a God or
Goddess in human bodies.

Following a personal healing, participants will receive a spiritual name as a helper
and companion. With heart and humour "grandmother" Kutenai and Spirit Bear teach
their vast knowledge in the traditional form of the Indians: Identifying and application
of Indian totems, food stuffs and herbs in everyday life, how to deal with oneself, the
children, the elders and much more".
 
KACHINAS KUTENAI, SPIRIT BEAR
"Women's power ceremony, men's power ceremony"
Seminar, June 22-24, 2007
Fee: EURO 450 incl food and accom
Place, info and bookings: Vision of Love at Light Farm, Elke Kirchner [....],
21386 Betzendorf [...]"


Here is a photo of the 2003 congress:
http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:Ud0smGd1J4MJ:www.wegweiser-magazin.de/pdf/5-04/Aktuell-5-04.pdf+%22Kachinas+Kutenai%22&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=22&gl=de&lr=lang_de
Caption beneath the photo says:
"Dieter Wiergowski, organizer; Aztec woman, Mosaro, Dieter Binder, Gabriele
Kohl, Kachinas Kutenai, Aztec Shaman Paco.
Bottom row left: Elk Chief, three Aztec children, another Aztec shaman, I have done another search for KK, and there are still some 160 results coming
up just in German language. She seems to have a long record of doing seminars
etc in Europe, as I found entries covering several years, dating back to
1997. KK also makes regular appearances at esoteric congresses, with a few
more quite interesting persons. Not all of the sites have price tags, but I
found some.


http://www.wrage.de/kgs/1103k_kutenai.htm

"A medicine woman speaks - Kachinas Kutenai in Schwarzenbek
Quiet, full of dignity, and at the same time with an enormous strength and
intensitiy, Kachinas opens the mind and the hearts of those persons who seek
to be close to her during workshops and lectures. The shaman and tribal elder
is recognized as an expert on alternative healing methods in the USA and in
Europe. She taught at universities and did lectures on many congresses. She
shows a path to find and keep inner peace in everyday life and teaches us
"native healing", the Indian way of becoming whole.

Lecture: Nov 21, 2003 8 p.m., Workshop "Native Healing" Nov 22/23, 2003
Indiviual counceling possible, please book in advance."


At a different section of the same site, an ad for an event in 2005:
http://www.wrage.de/kgs/0805k_grabolle.htm

"For several years now Kachinas Kutenai, medicine woman of the Apache, has
been coming to Hamburg. It is important to her to carry the wisdom to Europe
which since centuries has been reserved to the Indians. This weekend will be
for healing. There will be an open evening and two seminars of one day each.
She teaches us about messages and meanings of power animals, of those which
accompany us for our life and others who suddenly appear in our life to tell
us something. During the second seminar, she will teach us about healing
energies and how we can use them to help us and others.
Indiviual counceling from Oct 3, 2005. Please do book in advance!

Dates:
Sep 30, 2005: Open Evening "A medicine woman speaks"
Fee: EURO 20

Oct 1, 2005: Seminar "Power Animals and their Meaning"
Fee: EURO 105

Oct 2, 2005: Seminar "Healing Energies
Fee: EURO 105"


This site offers some info about KK's curriculum vitae and 'work':
http://www.redestab.de/kutenai/index.html

"Kachinas Kutenai         
Healer and medicine woman of the Apache
    
Kachinas Kutenai, born Jan 1935 on the Indian reservation at Gila River in
Arizona, is among the recognized persons in alternative healing in USA and
Europe. She has been and still gets invited to numerous congresses and
conferences as a speaker, does lectures at universities, so e.g. at Stanford,
Berkely [sic] and Reno and did courses at a college.
The US Senate invited her as an expert to speak to a comitee on alternative
healing methods. With her own TV series "Medicine Woman Speaks", she went on
air for two years on a local TV station in San Diego. With her initiative,
"Sacred Rainbow Circle" came into being, a charitable organisation against
racism and misogyny.      
Her work encompasses healing with the hidden powers of nature, using the power
of colours, healing stones and other power objects, of the harmonizing
effects of sounds, use of herbs and recipes, (healing) ceremonies and
rituals, trainings in visualization and much more.
She has healing successes which have been proven clinically with AIDS patients
and treats cancer.
She has written two books, "Medicine woman speaks", and "American Indian
healing" and contributed to many more.
In more than 35 years of work in healing, also as an examinated nurse for many
years, and due to the strong connection to her Indian ancestors, she does not
only have her shamanic healing abilities, but also a vast knowledge on
healing methods with roots dating back millenia which she combines with
Western medicine.
Kachinas will be in Cologne between June 6-12, 2004, indiviual counceling with
her can be booked, she will have her own booth at the fair on June 10, 2004,
and on June 12/13, she will be leading a weekend workshop during which she
will do a medicine wheel with participants and take them into a sweatlodge."

This entry is quite interesting, as KK apparently does not mind causing the
impression that she has successfully healed AIDS and cancer patients - in
fact, DAs in Germany will mind, as this happens to be regarded illegal in
Germany.



http://www.kgsberlin.de/archiv/display_entry/art14927/?PHPSESSID=fntab9erjk9c4tip4mi3q92gf7
This announces an event with KK:
"A new balance between genders (edition April 2002)
An evening of experience - with the Apache medicine woman Kachias Kutenai"


This is an ad for an esoteric/nuage congress in the Swiss town of Basel in
2000:
http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:c4JzzUK0IOwJ:www.psi-tage.ch/rueckblicke/2000/referenten.doc+%22Kachinas+Kutenai%22&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=de&lr=lang_de

KK is named as a lecturer appearing in the main programme during the Congress
"Reincarnation - Folly or Reality" during the 18th Basel Psi-Days



This is for a congress in 2003
http://www.avrecording.de/suw03.htm
KK is announced as a lecturer, with a few more quite interesting persons who
seem to merit a research:

"Spirituality and World Peace
Dec 4-7, 2003
Indian Shamans Scientist-Spiritual Teachers give Impulses
Organizer: Die Andere Realitaet (the other reality)
www.d-a-r.de

Among the lecturers listed:
Grupo Calli und Devalon Small Legs
F. Wegner: Why a spiritual political party is necessary
Kachinas Kutenai: Concepts for World Peace through Spiritual Activity
Grupo Calli: Aztec Dances and Rites for Peace
Tacan'sina: Peace ceremony of the Mandan people
Standing Eagle: A new Rise of "All my Relations"
Aztec Shamans, Kachinas Kutenai, Deval. Small Legs and others: Powwow
Devalon Small Legs: The Use of Indian herbal medicine today
J. Reuben Silverbird: Welcome blessing ceremony
Lightening Bear [sic]

Note: Lightning Bear aka Pushican aka John Colbert aka John Cobbert, a white
person claiming to be 'the' Comanche medicine man, has been researched at
NAFPS before. His appearance at this 2003 congress is interesting, as Colbert
has been tried and convicted for sexual abuse/torture of some of his
followers (incl. one minor) by a German court of justice in the year 2000.


At the same site, there is an info on their 2004 congress:
"Clearvoyance and Channeling and Pre-Astronautics and Ufology
May 28-31, 2004
sound_thm.gif (1042 Byte) Audio/Videomitschnitte vidcam3.gif (1245 Byte)

Organizer: Die Andere Realitäet
Kachinas Kutenai: UFOs from an Indian point of view May 31, 04 14:45, 45
minutes
Kachinas Kutenai: Clearvoyance in regard to Mother Earth and Father Sky - May
30, 05, 17:30


Here's another one with a price tag from last year:
http://www.danielwelt.de/forum/thread.php?threadid=30311&threadview=0&hilight=&hilightuser=0&sid=374518a607e1b3888a1ee26469eda4b2&page=194

"May 30, 2007
INDIAN HEALING

Kachinas Kutenai combines conservative medical knowledge with shamanic healing
abilities.
KK: teaching ancient healing methods....
The healer, shaman, and medicine woman of the Apache, born in 1935!!![sic]
will visit the North of Germany in order to do a women's power ceremony and a
men's power ceremony with Spirit Bear.

The essence of these powerful rituals which women and men will spend in
separated groups is to understand and accept oneself as a soul in a female or
male body, to honour oneself and to experience in order to take over
responsibility to be a God or Goddess in human bodies.

Following a personal healing, participants will receive a spiritual name as a
helper and companion. With heart and humour "grandmother" Kutenai and Spirit
Bear teach their vast knowledge in the traditional form of the Indians:
Identifying and application of Indian totems, food stuffs and herbs in
everyday life, how to deal with oneself, the children, the elders and much
more".
 
KACHINAS KUTENAI, SPIRIT BEAR
"Women's power ceremony, men's power ceremony"
Seminar, June 22-24, 2007
Fee: EURO 450 incl food and accom
Place, info and bookings: Vision of Love at Light Farm, Elke Kirchner [....],
21386 Betzendorf [...]"


Here is a photo of the 2003 congress:
http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:Ud0smGd1J4MJ:www.wegweiser-magazin.de/pdf/5-04/Aktuell-5-04.pdf+%22Kachinas+Kutenai%22&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=22&gl=de&lr=lang_de
Caption beneath the photo says:
"Dieter Wiergowski, organizer; Aztec woman, Mosaro, Dieter Binder, Gabriele
Kohl, Kachinas Kutenai, Aztec Shaman Paco.
Bottom row left: Elk Chief, three Aztec children, another Aztec shaman, Bruno
Wuertenberger, Devalon Small Legs an Lightning Bear"


This is for an esoteric congress in the Swiss town of Basel in 1997:
http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:u3YZMet1PBUJ:psi-tage.ch/rueckblicke/2000/highlights.doc+%22Kachinas+Kutenai%22&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=40&gl=de&lr=lang_de

Apparently, KK has done more lectures on reincarnation on congresses, as this
one already took place in 1997. The ad says:

"Reincarnation in the view of an Indian medicine woman

The belief in reincarnation is also widespread among the Indians of North
America. One of their most recognized persons, medicine woman Kachinas
Kutenai of the Apache tribe, explains within the framwork of her tradition,
"how to recognize genuine reincarnation experience and how to use it for
one's present life". She also means to give advice regarding "how to heal a
negative past and how to prepare oneself for a positive reincarnation"."

Two seminars with KK are to be found in the programme:

"Saturday Nov 25 - 16:45-18:15 [Seminar) The Value of knowing about previous
Lives
Monday Nov 27, 9.30-18.00 (Intensive Seminar) Love and Forgiving - the key
terms to understand reincarnation"


At this site, KK is mentioned as seminar leader (scroll down for photo and
intro):
http://www.earthoasistravelportal.de/pages_inhalt/others/reiseleiter.html
"Kachinas Kutenai was born at Gila River Reservation/Arizona in 1935. A heart
attack in the middle of her life made her change to a spiritual path. She
studied Indian healing arts and became medicine woman of the Apache. Today,
she is a relationship councellour, healer, tribal elder, and in the USA
belongs to the most recognize personalities in the field of healing methods."

Other seminar leaders mentioned are Hunbatz Man and Augustino Rivas.


This site is maintained by a woman claiming to have been taught be KK and
Geronimo:
http://www.syntropia.de/geronimos-geschenke-p-14332.html
The site also sells this persons book, "Geronimo's gifts" at the price of EURO
21.70.

A caption in the text reads "Na Hai Te He and soul partner Gije".
Sauer claims "NA HAI TE HE, as almost all spiritual teachings, techniques or
rituals or channeled energies, has been given in full trust by the master to
the pupil.... NA HAI TE HE is the light living in your soul.... a powerful,
harmonizing Indian teaching full of warmth, goodness, mercy, and healing
effects which will inspire you and balance your energies."
Sauer claims to be the only non Apache woman authorized to teach this by
Kachinas Kutenai and Geronimo.


Bruno Wuertenberger, Devalon Small Legs an Lightning Bear"


This is for an esoteric congress in the Swiss town of Basel in 1997:
http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:u3YZMet1PBUJ:psi-tage.ch/rueckblicke/2000/highlights.doc+%22Kachinas+Kutenai%22&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=40&gl=de&lr=lang_de

Apparently, KK has done more lectures on reincarnation on congresses, as
this one already took place in 1997. The ad says:

"Reincarnation in the view of an Indian medicine woman

The belief in reincarnation is also widespread among the Indians of North
America. One of their most recognized persons, medicine woman Kachinas
Kutenai of the Apache tribe, explains within the framwork of her tradition, "how
to recognize genuine reincarnation experience and how to use it for one's
present life". She also means to give advice regarding "how to heal a negative
past and how to prepare oneself for a positive reincarnation"."

Two seminars with KK are to be found in the programme:

"Saturday Nov 25 - 16:45-18:15 [Seminar) The Value of knowing about previous Lives
Monday Nov 27, 9.30-18.00 (Intensive Seminar) Love and Forgiving - the key terms
to understand reincarnation"


At this site, KK is mentioned as seminar leader (scroll down for photo and intro):
http://www.earthoasistravelportal.de/pages_inhalt/others/reiseleiter.html

"Kachinas Kutenai was born at Gila River Reservation/Arizona in 1935. A heart
attack in the middle of her life made her change to a spiritual path. She studied
Indian healing arts and became medicine woman of the Apache. Today, she is
a relationship councellour, healer, tribal elder, and in the USA belongs to the
most recognize personalities in the field of healing methods."

Other seminar leaders mentioned are Hunbatz Man and Augustino Rivas.


This site is maintained by a woman claiming to have been taught be KK and
Geronimo:
http://www.syntropia.de/geronimos-geschenke-p-14332.html
The site also sells this persons book, "Geronimo's gifts" at the price of EURO 21.70.

A caption in the text reads "Na Hai Te He and soul partner Gije".
Sauer claims "NA HAI TE HE, as almost all spiritual teachings, techniques or
rituals or channeled energies, has been given in full trust by the master to the
pupil.... NA HAI TE HE is the light living in your soul.... a powerful, harmonizing
Indian teaching full of warmth, goodness, mercy, and healing effects which will
inspire you and balance your energies."
Sauer claims to be the only non Apache woman authorized to teach this by
Kachinas Kutenai and Geronimo.


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Re: "Kachinas Kutenai"
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2008, 02:54:27 pm »
One of her followers claiming to be taught by Geronimo? Claiming most Indians believe in reincarnation? UFOlogy? Power animals?

That, plus the association with many dubious people, Lightning Bear, Reuben Silverbird, Hunbatz Men, Augustin Rivas, and other exploiters, leads me to doubt her claims even more.

The claim that she testified as an expert witness before the US Senate was a lie. The Congressional Records can be searched online, and they show no record of her.
http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/how_to_congressional_record.htm

That TV show in San Diego probably was public access.

Found this address for her foundation.

 SACRED RAINBOW CIRCLE FOUNDATION
& AMERICAN INDIAN HEALIING TEMPLE INC.
Kachinas Kutenai - Apache Medicine Woman, Founder/President/Chief
P.O.Box 26892, San Diego, CA 92196-0892
Phone: (619) 549-2835, Fax: (619) 549-8970, e-mail:
srcircle@earthlink.net

Also found the myspace page for one of the members, who also does angel card readings and says she is a missionary and empath.
http://www.myspaceprofiles.org/profiles/76272608.html

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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2008, 11:43:23 am »
  Not going to get into a "peeing" match about KK. If you wish to doubt her authenticity OR her Power/s, so be it. It is your loss. Just keep in mind *I* have seen her in action. What *I* personally, have seen her do, that which there is NO scientific explanation for, is enough "proof" for me. (But I know YOU, I am asking to take on "Faith" and, considering all the other "take my word for it/s" you've gotten, your doubt is understandable.)
 I cannot speak to "why someone born on the Pima Rez would be a Chiracahua..." (She was born on the GILA Rez--how'd PIMA come into it?)
  The only reason I mentioned the Mescalero Rez (etc.) was by way of saying the HERITAGE of the Apache (for one, they were a NOMADIC Peoples) can be very confusing. (Remember, it was a FULL-BLOODED Mescalero who claimed Geronimo was "full-blooded" Navajo.) I REALLY don't understand WHY it's even an ISSUE. (By a person's "fruits ye shall know them," if y'don't mind an <applicable> Bible quote.) All one need do is LOOK at a picture of her to see her Apache blood. (Or am *I* crazy?)
 As far as her trips to Germany? Her Sacred...Rainbow foundation *will* be U.S. based. (I connected it to her trips to Germany as her need for donations in order to fund it.) It's still in the planning stages, btw, NOT functioning.
  Someone (up above) attacked her saying, "she'd do better by her own people to help them *here*..." (paraphrased--haven't the time for exact quotes), Kachinas, like the "People of Peace," the HOPI PEOPLE, believes (and this will be as far as I feel comfortable "speaking" for her) ALL Whites are not "bad" or "evil." (This is despite *my* personal wish to "rip my skin off" most times, now'days.) She has not and WILL not "give up" on the White Race. (Nor have the Hopi, btw.) YES, she has made frequent trips to Germany. Like many before her, "a prophet is not welcome in her own Land." Her first trips to Germany happened LONG before the 70s (the beginning of AIM) and the resurgence in Na Amer. Pride. Should she be faulted for spreading her message to those who will HEAR?
  If that is what you wish--to sequester the wisdom given the Red Peoples until the "End" of this world comes (which, I grant you, from what I understand of the Hopi Prophecies <Banyaca>, seems just around the corner), then you will have to justify your actions to Massau (or whatever term you wish ID the Great Spirit by) when the End DOES, finally arrive.
  As I said at that AIM meeting SO many years ago, "are we not ALL Brothers and Sisters?" The Four Races were given charge of different "pieces." To the Red was given the care of the Earth BUT, the other races, too, were given THEIR charges, THEIR guardianships (water, air, fire). It is my understanding, the Kikuyu Tribe are the keepers of the tablets given the Black Races. My research suggests the TIBETANs were given the Yellow. (And as for the Whites, it was either given "Moses" <ie, the 10 Commandments> who dropped them (read the Hopi warnings RE: the ramifications of THAT happening) OR are still being held by the Swiss. (**Have gone pretty far afield here, but one canNOT simply "eliminate" the entire White Race from the Planet. <We're on our way to doing that ourselves, thanks, withOUT anyone else's help...>)
  As far as KK's AIDS "claim", there is a difference between AIDS and showing up positive for the virus. What I SAID (as well as her Bio) was she is credited as successfully changing someone's HIV+ status to HIV-. (There's a BIG difference. She does NOT lay ANY claims to having cured someone of "AIDS." <Were THAT the case, the whole WORLD would know of her.>)
  Just as KK does not distinguish between the Races, she also does not "toss the baby out with the bathwater." She uses a combo of NATURAL HEALING AND WESTERN MEDS in her healings--what use would there be of herbs if one has internal injuries from a car wreck?
  Her Healings she does for free. (Or as free as *any* medicine person does, ie, barter/trade or, for those in extreme need--absolutely free of charge.)
  KK has spoken to me thru Visions and dreams and has taught me much. Doubt her if you will... I was just trying to tell you your efforts to discredit this woman are/will be fruitless.
  **That woman you spoke of, the one who cited KK and Geronimo as "speaking" to her IS a NuAge "channeller." I'd place NO credence, whatsoever, in ANYthing she says.
  As far as WHO has appeared WITH KK, the "speakers" are arranged by those having the conference. She'd have NO say in who ELSE appears with her.
  As far as her appearance before the Senate? Senate records only go back so far (on the internet). It is quite possible the record/s of her speaking occured beFORE the INet. I have never known her to tell so much as a WHITE lie, much less a lie as big as *that*.
  One last thing before I go... Remember, the sites (above) of her appearances in Germany MAY be poorly translated. I wouldn't take anything *there* as written in stone.
  Waste your time if you wish it. Makes no difference to me (OR her). *I* Know her and Who (this Great Woman) is..
  When she (and I) walk in the woods, the flowers bow their heads to her. I've seen Coyote come to her, lie down at her feet and allow her to "scratch his belly." Wild horses are tame when she is near, Thunderbirds come to her Call--I have Seen this and she has Taught the same to me..." For Power knows no color, or creed or religion... It only knows one's Heart and I know Kachinas' Heart...
  I will speak no more of her.

  In Sisterhood, (We Are ALL Family--like it or NOT)

  Silverbonn (Blindfolded One)

 

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Re: "Kachinas Kutenai"
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2008, 02:14:03 pm »
I will speak no more of her.

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Re: "Kachinas Kutenai"
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2008, 03:29:50 pm »
"What *I* personally, have seen her do, that which there is NO scientific explanation for, is enough "proof" for me."

Oh brother....you might want to look up the Skeptics Society, or things like Yuri Geller being debunked by James Randi. It's fairly easy to con people with fairly simple tricks.


"I cannot speak to "why someone born on the Pima Rez would be a Chiracahua..." (She was born on the GILA Rez--how'd PIMA come into it?)"

You make my points for me. You know very little about Natives.

You don't even know that the Gila Reservation is a Pima reservation. And before you seemed to think Pimas and Apaches were the same, or related.


"All one need do is LOOK at a picture of her to see her Apache blood. (Or am *I* crazy?)"

Well, I'm not a mental health professional.

But you definitely seem to be kidding yourself, and to not know much about Natives. For example, most other Natives can tell I'm Indian by sight, even down to one of the related tribes. Apaches are also related to Athapascans and Hoopa.

I'm always amazed at how easy it is for Europeans like yourself to get it so completely wrong. Barnaby was even mistaken for Native once, and he's a fair skinned red headed Englishman.

" Someone (up above) attacked her saying, "she'd do better by her own people to help them *here*..." (paraphrased--haven't the time for exact quotes)"

That's pretty funny, too spirchul to look for quotes. Or evidence, it seems.

"Kachinas, like the "People of Peace," the HOPI PEOPLE, believes (and this will be as far as I feel comfortable "speaking" for her) ALL Whites are not "bad" or "evil." (This is despite *my* personal wish to "rip my skin off" most times, now'days.)"

Ah yes, that old desire to no longer be white. Obviously she gives you a way to assuage your guilt.

"She has not and WILL not "give up" on the White Race. (Nor have the Hopi, btw.)"

Actually the Hopi are pretty darn sick of whites trying to misuse their prophecies and speak for them, like you do here.

"YES, she has made frequent trips to Germany. Like many before her, "a prophet is not welcome in her own Land."

Prophet is more of a Christian idea, also Muslim. But thanks for admitting she's not welcomed by her (alleged) own people for what she does.

"Her first trips to Germany happened LONG before the 70s (the beginning of AIM) and the resurgence in Na Amer. Pride."

Actually AIM began in the 60s.

"Should she be faulted for spreading her message to those who will HEAR?"

For only speaking to those who are dumb enough or ignorant enough to not know she's a fraud? Yes.

"If that is what you wish--to sequester the wisdom given the Red Peoples"

Red Peoples? I didn't know anyone still used that old racial term since, what, 1930?

"until the "End" of this world comes (which, I grant you, from what I understand of the Hopi Prophecies <Banyaca>, seems just around the corner), then you will have to justify your actions to Massau (or whatever term you wish ID the Great Spirit by) when the End DOES, finally arrive."

You really don't seem to know much about Hopi beliefs.

 "As far as KK's AIDS "claim", there is a difference between AIDS and showing up positive for the virus. What I SAID (as well as her Bio) was she is credited as successfully changing someone's HIV+ status to HIV-. (There's a BIG difference. She does NOT lay ANY claims to having cured someone of "AIDS." <Were THAT the case, the whole WORLD would know of her.>)"

Hey, if what you or she claims was true, the whole world would still know about
it.

But they don't, which is why just about everyone doubts both you and her.

"She uses a combo of NATURAL HEALING AND WESTERN MEDS in her healings--what use would there be of herbs if one has internal injuries from a car wreck?"

Obviously you don't know much about actual Native healing. Many tribes had specialists in combat medicine, "binders of wounds."

"KK has spoken to me thru Visions and dreams and has taught me much. Doubt her if you will... I was just trying to tell you your efforts to discredit this woman are/will be fruitless."

To you, certainly. But not to almost anyone else. She discredits herself with each more ridiculous claims.

"That woman you spoke of, the one who cited KK and Geronimo as "speaking" to her IS a NuAge "channeller." I'd place NO credence, whatsoever, in ANYthing she says."

Nice that we finally agree.

"As far as WHO has appeared WITH KK, the "speakers" are arranged by those having the conference. She'd have NO say in who ELSE appears with her."

But knowing that literally almost every speaker there is a fraud, she'd be extremely foolish to agree to be there also. Unless she does not care, since her followers/victims don't know the difference.
 
"I have never known her to tell so much as a WHITE lie, much less a lie as big as *that*."

It's not so much a matter of you never catching her in a lie, as not wanting to admit you've been lied to repeatedly.

"I've seen Coyote come to her, lie down at her feet and allow her to "scratch his belly."

Once again, you don't know much.

Since Coyote is a trickster, I'd guess you once again don't realize her (alleged )acceptance by him is not a good thing.

"Thunderbirds come to her Call--I have Seen this and she has Taught the same to me..."

What an ego! You claim to control thunderbirds?

Next you'll be telling us the Virgin Mary washes your feet.

"I will speak no more of her."

Except to give us your corny Chief Joseph impression.

"Silverbonn (Blindfolded One)"

I think your name suits you.

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Re: "Kachinas Kutenai"
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2008, 03:57:51 pm »
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One last thing before I go... Remember, the sites (above) of her appearances in Germany MAY be poorly translated. I wouldn't take anything *there* as written in stone.

Nice try - but a miss. I did the translations, and I speak and write English fluently.

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Re: "Kachinas Kutenai"
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2008, 07:42:07 am »
 Note to all: "educatedindian" is a FRAUD named Al Carrol. Please see the link below:

[link deleted: it's just John Lekay's trash from last year]
« Last Edit: January 28, 2008, 08:29:51 am by Barnaby_McEwan »

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Re: "Kachinas Kutenai"
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2008, 08:28:41 am »
Heh. Now you really are getting desperate. As if some Australian hippie has any idea about whether Al's Indian or not.

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Re: "Kachinas Kutenai"
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2008, 03:47:26 pm »
You know how that game works, if he can't convince, go to defense, if that doesn't work go to offense, which is usually offensive, then fly away. Seems the pattern stays the same, only the names change.

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Re: "Kachinas Kutenai"
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2008, 05:15:56 pm »
I should clarify: I meant it's just John Lekay's trash from last year, recycled on the blog of an Australian hippie in touch with of one of the frauds Lekay promotes. BFD. Lekay loses again.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2008, 06:52:44 pm by Barnaby_McEwan »

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Re: "Kachinas Kutenai"
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2008, 03:53:06 am »
I don't think Silberbonn will care much for your putdowns of hippies. Seems she is one, one who at one time claims to have believed in actual activism before she sought out the illusionary quick fix of Nuage. Seems to be a Bonnie Cunningham of New Mexico, with a strange mix of beliefs. For instance, look at her work for a vanity publishing house. I don't know if she shares the beliefs of the book she edited, but it's an interesting choice.

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January 14, 1935 - January 1, 2010

Kachinas S. Kutenai passed away peacefully at dawn January 1, 2010 at the age of 74 near her children in Los Angeles, Calif. Most recently a resident of Palm Springs, our cherished mother, sister, teacher and friend leaves behind children Norman and Jennifer Auther. She is also survived by her siblings, Ted White, Jerry Soriano, Sandra Ramirez and Emma Kelley; sister-in-law, Earline Auther; and 15 nieces, nephews and their children. Kutenai attended San Jose High school in California before graduating with an R.N. from Providence nursing school. In 1951, she and her then-fiancé, Norman V. Auther of Berkeley, joined the U.S. Army. Kutenai served as a Lieutenant Nurse during the Korean War. She married Norman Auther in 1959. She worked as a registered nurse for 46 years in the San Francisco Bay area and Reno, Nevada giving in her personal life and helping anyone she could with anything they needed. She worked tirelessly during the 1970s as a drug counselor and wrote numerous grants earmarked to aid primarily Vietnam Vets. Returning to her Apache roots, she studied and mastered Native American history and would grow to become recognized as an expert on alternative healing methods in both the USA and in Europe. She authored several books, including poems in "The Book of Love," and decades later she published "American Indian Healing" and "Medicine Woman Speaks." Kutenai later moved to Palm Springs, where she founded the Sacred Rainbow Circle Foundation and American Indian Healing Temple. Her passing followed a long illness, which she faced without fear and a healthy sense of humor. She now joins her beloved mother, Ruth Mae White, a reunion she always said she looked forward to most. Recently Kutenai wrote: "Throughout all life, choices must be thoughtfully made. To go, to stay, to speak to pray, to step back observe oneself and know that one strong move establishes who we are as human beings, reliably are!" A Private Memorial is pending at Mt. Tamalpais State Park in Marin County, California. In lieu of flowers contributions may be made to the Los Angeles Mission, 303 East 5th Street. Los Angeles, Calif. 90013.

Published in The Desert Sun from Jan. 14 to Jan. 19, 2010

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thedesertsun/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=138532717