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Title: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: bumpsalot45 on March 06, 2006, 04:48:42 am
Greetings to all, I'm still around.

I've been trying to help a friend research this woman.  She is trying to discredit Arvol Looking Horse as the true Keeper of the Pipe.  I've not found too much, but here's what I have...

Her bio

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:q6UsCLKTuHsJ:www.manataka.org/page2001.html+suzanne+dupree&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=firefox-a

She seems to somehow be affiliated or supported by this manataka indian council, which I have seen exposed on Trish's frauds site:

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:e12uoJKnkdwJ:www.manataka.org/page228.html+looking+back+woman&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a

And, here's a press release

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:UnWdFd1V-IsJ:www.moncurgallery.org/news/20021108icomos.html+suzanne+dupree&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=8&client=firefox-a

Thanks for any other info you can share...

Rosie
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: educatedindian on March 07, 2006, 12:25:20 am
What strikes me right away is the way she's making these claims, and her purpose. Why would an alleged keeper of the pipe go so public, try to be so divisive, and spread her message on the internet among many sites that are not exactly traditional? By that, obviously, I mean Manataka, whose main purpose is to discredit elders like Looking Horse who speak out against exploiters like them.

Her homepage. Notice how her writing doesn't sound like any elder I've ever read the words of. It's more like tabloid writing. "the awful truth."
http://www.lookingbackwoman.com/home.html

Some of her claims don't add up at all.
http://www.lookingbackwoman.com/bio.html
"Suzanne remained in Seattle for the next 17 years. She worked for three years with the Seattle Indian Health Board and later became a hair dresser for an upscale salon called Tomahawk Style Shop. By 1975 Suzanne was well versed in Lakota stories and she attended many private and public ceremonies at Pine Ridge, Rose Bud and Cheyenne River reservations. Because she lived a long way from the reservation life in Seattle, a large modern city, learning about Lakota/Mnicoujou ways was not easy, but she persisted in her quest for spiritual knowledge. During one trip to a Sun Dance with a fellow stylist from England, Arthur Trebel, Suzanne became aware of another side of Lakota/Oglala life. Arthur Treble is a three time World Champion hairdresser Suzanne apprenticed with for nine years. Treble was present when at the White Buffalo Calf Pipe Ceremony in 1975 when she received her first Pipe from her uncle, Chauncey Dupris, a noted Lakota Heyoka medicine man and Sun Dance leader and her adult Lakota name from Ceremonial Chief & Holy Man, Frank Fools Crow."

In other words, she's asking us to believe she got a sacred pipe and that Fools Crow gave a ceremonial name to...a hairdresser who hadn't lived
on the rez for close to 20 years?

The site quotes from Thomas Mails, an exploiter whose notorious for not being either accurate or truthful.
http://www.lookingbackwoman.com/pipe.html

Some of these accusations are about as slanderous and sensationalistic as can be, claiming traditionals looted her father's grave looking to take the pipe.
http://www.lookingbackwoman.com/after.html

And here we come to wyhat looks to be the real purpose of these claims, an attack on the attempt to protect ceremonies from vultures, disguised as feminism.
http://www.lookingbackwoman.com/message.html

Every other site I found her claims being pushed on has Manataka's fingerprints. They should really be ashamed of themselves, but I doubt they will be.
http://www.manataka.org/page228.html
http://reiger.vosn.net/~manataka/page228.html
http://100megs2.com/~manataka/page228.html
http://100megs2.com/~manataka/page203.html
http://298224.fan.tnn9o.info/
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: educatedindian on March 07, 2006, 12:37:15 am
Here's a discussion by some pretty big names, pointing out all the ways she has her facts wrong, and how offensive and disrespectful her site is, discussing things never to be discussed in public, posting photos of the sacred pipe.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/indigenous_peoples_literature/message/17981
"From: Glenn Welker
To: IPL List
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:47 PM
Subject: [Indigenous Peoples Literature] Re: Story of Looking Back Woman

Posted by: Paula Antoine   antoine_pj@hotmail.com

From: Carter Camp <cartercamp@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: cartercamp@yahoo.com
To: paulah <paula@wolakota.org>, 'Vivian High Elk' <vivianhighelk@hotmail.com>, pteole@gwtc.net
CC: ddupris3@excite.com, alexwp@gwtc.net, lakota1@gwtc.net, cartercamp@yahoo.com, elgato63@hotmail.com, Scotttreaty@aol.com, Paula Antoine <antoine_pj@hotmail.com>, Beatrice Lookinghorse <blookinghorse@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: look for your name floyd.
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:05:20 -0800 (PST)

I don't think AIM was at Green Grass until after Wounded Knee in 1973, they probably went there in about 1976, enit? This woman's all mixed up. CC

paulah <paula@wolakota.org> wrote: Now that I have read most of this to Arvol, it is plain that the Pipe is Fools Crow's, of course all are called "sacred pipe". That is the Sundance Pipe, period. Her father must have interpreted this as "the sacred pipe". So
this is what she learned, passed to her and now she is mis-interpreting even the lineage, as you have documentation Vivian, as incorrect. A woman raised somewhere else, only visiting occasionally is holding the C'anupa, HOLAY!

The sadness of this, as this discussion on Indigenous_Peoples_literature, actually speculating her authenticity of humiliating a whole Nation and the many people that have come here to receive help and know that this is bundle
is real.

She believes her father's words and misinterpretation.

-----Original Message-----
From: Vivian High Elk [mailto:vivianhighelk@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:29 PM
To: paula@wolakota.org; pteole@gwtc.net
Cc: huhoogle@gwtc.net; ddupris3@excite.com; alexwp@gwtc.net;lakota1@gwtc.net; cartercamp@yahoo.com;vivianhighelk@hotmail.com;
elgato63@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: look for your name floyd.

Paula, I was just looking and reading over some of this woman's account. It scared me to see pictures of a ceremony, you/we know as well not to record,
take pictures of ceremonies, etc. Even to be discussing them. etc. This to me is like bragging. My father use to say: makis he wo'inapeke ki, tuwe
heni hena hel ici page sni, nais ihan' han s'e iwogla ke sni . Cannupa ki he lila wakan, tuwe heni ikceya wayang ye sni,cante ojula wica yala kte heca. These are not to be discussed like this, this is something really fearsome, nobody talks about this type of (cannupa) sacredness like a common
conversation, you cannot just go to see the pipe out of curiosity, your heart has to be in it, believe in it. The cannupa is a spirit and alive here in Pejito Wakpa.

Maybe, she is played by all of this, as my father use to say, beware, if you don't believe in it, don't go near it, if you play with it, it will play on you too. Maybe she needs to be educated on what we hold sacred, and these are, not bragging tools! Le miye ye. Vivian

>From: "paulah"
>To: "Floyd Hand"
>CC: "Alfred Bone Shirt" ,"Dana Dupris"
>,"Alex White Plume"
>,,,"Vivian
>High Elk"
>Subject: look for your name floyd.
>Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:22:59 -0700
>
>Floyd, This is a woman claiming to have the original pipe, given >through Fools Crow with extensive history, most inaccurate. ON the home
>page click on link, "how the pipe came", it has your name on there, >seemingly verifying the original pipe was being used with a picture of
>it, do you recall this or Fools Crow giving this information to this >woman? Arvol has not seen this yet, I will show him when he returns.
>
>We are at a sad state, our sacred sites, our ceremonies, our c'anupa is >being assaulted. I asked Arvol when our men were going to stand and >approach these people with much claims as Akicita (another was'ic'u >woman just arose with Charles Chips claiming great guidance with Pte
>San win, promoted and supported in Pine Ridge). Arvol has been dealing >with this and the men should be."
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: educatedindian on March 07, 2006, 12:45:58 am
And this you have to see to believe, a claim on the Emissary of Light website that she is a teacher of a white woman calling herself "Moves Far Woman".

http://board.emissaryoflight.com/viewtopic.php?t=1480&sid=ea28bf13037d0f96d3f27157850426a8
"My name is Sheila Simpson from Northern Ireland originally. I was born on the 31st July 1951. I am fifty two. I trained as a nurse in Belfast witnessed much violence there since 1969 when the war broke out. In 1972 I fled to New York City for respite....
Met Lakota medicine man and > started to follow the red medicine road. In 1991 met> and married second husband in Tofino. Ran a bed and> breakfast Tir n a 'og the bears came into my yard> and I ended up going into the forest. I saw the> destruction and stood for three years against the> court. Endured harrassment organized a two day walk> from Tofino to Ucluelet to talk to the logging> community.
> Invited the loggers wives to my home. (Also was
> arrested at the Nanoose Base on International
> Women's day 1988) > After three years of protest I was sentenced to six> months in jail in 1993. My name went on the> injection that arrested 932 people. Met Dukabor > Elders in jail and was invited by the elders into> their community.
> My husband was head injured in car accident. My life > has revolved around him., and my spiritual walk on> the red road
> In August I completed my forth year of Sundance in> Courtenay. There were eleven women dancers,
> including an Anisabee native who eagle danced to the> tree for four days. The dance held a very strong > feminine power.....
> In May 2000 on the 4th, during a grand planetary
> alignment in the sky first time in 26,0000 years
> earth was lined up with nine planets .I entered into > a twenty four hour vision. I saw a six pointed star> and places and people on the planet. For the last> three years I have been following this star , called> the Star of David, it is much older.mother mary spoke from the south, the robin sits in the north and the eagle and condor are sitting est west.
> It goes back to Sanskrit and to Africa to a Zulu
> Senose who says their are two parallel dimension on> earth male and female. Working with beads to make my> medallion for Sundance in 2002 I received the > following information.
> The kundaline snake of feminine principal is rising
> in response to the earth's magnetic core. The voice> of all that is feminine energy is rising. The two> triangles that make up the star are male and female> , corresponding to humanity.
> When the white buffalo calf pipe woman came to the> Sioux nation to give them the teachings to save> themselves she said she would return, there have> been ten white buffalo born all over the united> states.

>>>>A special very ordinary woman has appeared> and she is carrying two very special medicine. Chief> Franks Fools Crow gave her her medicine name that name is translates into Looking Back Woman. All the> elders know of her and she is about to speak.  She is in Duncan she was born in South Dakota. I am going to meet her. She has a message for the women of the world and she is I believe my teacher.<<<<
> Everything arrives in its own time. Knowing and
> security have to be in place first. All this ties
> into the blue star teachings for the earth.....
> The Hopi have prophecies about the blue star. A
> native New Zealander lady who came to Sundance in> Courtenay said her people are seeking the answers to> the blue star. It all ties in together but like a> jigsaw puzzle it comes together.
> I have connections with Maori and with Hadia with> Ireland with Africa and with Deneh and Hopi and with> Mother Mary
> It would take a long time to tell you the whole
> story of my path on earth. I am a visionary but I am> also very humble.
> If you have seen "Fury for the sound " I am the
> woman who speaks about the ring about the circle> growing bigger.....
> Sheila Simpson My medicine name given to me by
> Chief White Cloud is Moves Far Woman.
> Now how do we get this ball of healing
> rolling...........Are you up for it ?"
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: raven on March 07, 2006, 12:12:07 pm
Whatever Suzanne Dupree's agenda is, the one thing she is guilty of is exploiting her people's traditions. To stand and pose for photographs with a pipe shows she has no belief in the sacredness of it. And to top it off she is holding a small drum. That is not a Lakota tradition.
After reading the story it is more likely that the pipe she has is her father's sundance pipe. That is a far cry from the original. There are pipes that are used for specific things.
I believe the issue will become more of not whether the pipe is the original buffalo calf maiden pipe, but that of what Ms. Dupree is doing. This is not a case of changing with the times, it is about tradition that has been handed down from generation to generation, and what she is doing goes against this whole belief.
I would not want to be in her position, not only because of the responsibilty that comes with the pipe, but that what she is doing, she is opening a door for things that will not be in her favor.
The pipe is not meant for all to see, once again this is someone that has enough knowledge to make them dangerous.
The door that Ms. Dupree has opened is not a positive door for the Lakota people, what she is attempting to do is to bring shame on her people.This is pouring salt on a wound. With all the suffering the people have gone through, the one thing they have that can not be taken away is their belief in that pipe, and what she is doing here is an example of another one out there trying to strip away their faith and beliefs.
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: educatedindian on March 16, 2006, 11:20:28 pm
Over on American Indian Alliance, LSW found out something interesting, seems Dupree's claims are straight out of a book, not any family traditions.

http://searches.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/archives/sd/ziebach/history/z- hst-18.txt

> Text of Ziebach Co., SD History (1982) - pages 340-360
>  This file is the text of the book, "South Dakota's
> Ziebach County,  History of the Prairie", published in 1982 by the Ziebach County
>  Historical Society, Dupree, SD
>  The book is still in print and can be ordered from:
>  County Auditor
>  Box 68
>  Dupree, SD 57623
>  Cost is $10 (Add $3 for shipping and handling)
>  Permission to publish this book in electronic form
> was given by Jackie Birkeland,  member of the Historical Committee. This book is copyright, 1982 by the Ziebach  County Historical Society, Dupree, SD.
>  Scanning and OCR by Terri Tosh <chipnter@...>,
> final editing by Joy Fisher,  <jfisher@...>.
>
> FRED and MARY DUPUIS from
> "The First Dupree Into South Dakota"
> by Calvin Dupree
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: igmuska on November 17, 2006, 05:52:58 am
Another red herring and probably smells like one too...I knew Mr. Chauncey Dupris long ago and he knew me. The funny thing about this lady's website is that it is so full of subjective information without any of her Cherry Creek, SD "relative's" testimony verifying her identity.

She is a fraud!!!

They asked me to call certain people I know in Cherry Creek, SD especially one of his best friends...the funny thing is that she mentioned that Mr. Dupris is a heyoka which I must add I heard him being called this by the older fellows his age. Being heyoka does not automatically confer medicine man status per se. Oh well I will call now since I have made this post!

Had to edit this...just received notice of more information about an interview with Looking Back Woman in the following link! John Le Kay sure can pick them!!!!
http://www.heyokamagazine.com/HEYOKA.6.LookingBackWoman.Interview.htm (http://www.heyokamagazine.com/HEYOKA.6.LookingBackWoman.Interview.htm)
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: Marlon on June 01, 2007, 06:37:43 am



Hi Tachia,

Sorry did not get a chance to address your leangthy email from this morning, but will do so tomorrow, point by point and in detail. As far as you offending me. no you did not. Anyway will address this tomorrow.





Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: Marlon on June 01, 2007, 05:48:28 pm
Hi Educated Indian, Moma Porcupine. Tachia Since you have raised Vivian High Elk, and have floated a round a piece of her email to discredit Looking Back Woman repeatdly, discussed internet protocols, culture and the rest, maybe you should you see some more.


From Vivian High Elk

Dear Sister,

I am right here, and I challenge you to an open debate on the history of the Cannunpa Wakan, at any time you prefer.  Cannunpa wakan wan oyate wicakahi kin heon, Tokel econ wicasi kin hena ohinniyan ecunk'onpi kte, Taku sica kin etanhan yuheyab unyuhapi kta, Wakantanka iyoyanpa tawa kin ogna ecela ilake kta. Lecel ecunk'onpi kta ohinniyan awauncinpi kte.

Pilamayaye lo, Wakantanka.

Hakikta Win
 
npetu waste, lena taku iyapi ki, hena, atas takuni slol yapi sni. Tase cannupa wakan ki he tohan Pejito Wakpa etanhan iya ye ka, makes he lila wakan ki. Le winyan wan
Jeneka

iciyapi ki he na winyan wan Looking Back iyapi ki he atas takuni slol yapi sni, hena Lakota winyan kiyapi na taku iyapi ki hena icetu sni na lel tipi sni ca takuni he slol yapi sni,
le wakan ki nahanhci lena Peji To Wakpa ki el yanke. Iya le yawapi okihipi hantas ognas wicakapi na ce' ce, k'as, miye, iblukcan  ke le, wa'aya ki hena, i kitawa pi ki he taku wan Diarhea of the mouth, (i kajo woyanzan yu hapi) eya pi ki heca woyanza yu hapi na ce'ce.Le amayu pta pi hantas, ognas lakol ya wiyuhcan na woglaka pi na ce'ce.  Miye cante el wicabluze sni na el wacinwicawaye sni. If Jenaka and Looking Back Woman can respond to this within a couple minutes, then I would probably believe in them, but, if not, it is phonieness as far as I can see and believe. They are distractors, I believe that the "Keeper" and his "partner" put out there to obstruct the mission. Looking Back Woman claims to have the original pipe, why dont she tend to that? Obviously she doesn't believe in what she is doing as in her statement she claims to have the original one yet she is in defiance of our sacred one here. If they can just stop trying to take the focus off of the Keeper and his woman, as  they are the abusers, it would be good. Vivian HE

She obviously doesn't carry the values in her message and probably doesn't live it like a virtue, obviously she is ignorant herself, she doesn't know the life we live here as a people whom worship this way of life whom hold this Cannupa in high esteem. I guess the question is are we all fools for what we believe in here as how she is portraying us? We are a Warrior people, that is why we are still in existence no matter how we were are/were put down like people like this LBW woman. Pila ma ya pi le lawapi ki. Vivian High Elk

From Suzanne Dupree. Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:17:50 -0800

Dear Vivian,

Hunoup is the language that needs to be spoken here, I am sure you are fluent with it. My Lakota language skills are not in question here, it is whether or not Arvol Looking Horse is in possession of the Martha Bad Warrior's Cannunpa, period.
 
 The reason you are so on about language is, that's all you've got for an argument.
 
If you'd read the Riegert pdf file, you would've seen Martha Bad Warrior's words...this Cannunpa is for everyone, not just Lakota speaking persons. Martha Bad Warrior gave this interview with Riegert in 1936 before her death that winter. She wanted it known and recorded, that the heritage of the Cannunpa Wakan, is open to the good of all mankind, regardless of race, creed, color or blood quantums. He wrote it for her, so the story of Martha Bad Warrior and her people was written down with the origin and message of the Cannunpa Wakan. That is why you do not wish to acknowledge this information, it does not correspond with the "history" you've given. I want to see those winter count buffalo robes back 2000 yrs ago, with the story of WBCPW's coming to the people, if that is your proof. I did read what you wrote in Lakota, and your Father was mislead by the Looking Horse family about "what" Cannunpa Wakan they had. The Cannunpa Chief from  Manitoba does not recognize ALH, and says the Cannunpa came between  1500-1600 hundred, to the people from WBCPW.
 
If you respect your ancestors, you would honor her words and legacy. However, this is not the case here. I have nothing I need to prove to anyone, other than the truth of our spiritual history that was preserved for us, and was changed to save face. It does not matter who I have married, or how much Lakota blood I have, or where I live.... the message is not about me, or you....it is about the Cannunpa Wakan....and how it is to be used properly.
 
And, for all who are interested, like the ones from the International Communities that were canvassed for donations, the language of our debate needs to be english. The same language that was used to canvass for the money. We first need to exchange tobacco to discuss this between us. Then, anytime, Vivian.
 
The more you put me down, the more you show you are not living the teachings yourself. The hypocracy is what is doing the most injustice to our people....and you are perpetuating that ignorance.

Why has there been the Cultural Preservation Officer position open at Cheyenne River? Because someone needs to know our history, and preserve it, and without people like Riegert, without a personal agenda, it isn't happening at Cheyenne River.
 
Your reverse racism will not work here, nor will it serve the  creater good of the people....all people.
 
 LBW

From Vivian High Elk to a group email.  Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:05:48 -0700


Hello my relatives, I am forwarding this information, I dont know  what this woman's (LBW) worry is when she doesn't even live around here and believes we worship a false sacred object. If this were so, why in the first place would Cheyenne River place this on their flag as a significance that it exists and is here in Green Grass and what is her argument? Dont you think they would've known this if this history lie recorded as they had Indian Agents that overseen everything as this Tribe is based under the auspices of the United States 

Government as a puppet? In todays life, to get anything back that the whiteman and their forked tongue promised is to have a "language, culture and history." This woman really wants to  belittle our whole Nation here along with my late father. We are a poor people, barely in existence with our language, history (cannupa) and culture (cannupa) that are the basis for our everyday survival for funding to the Trust status imposed on us. Besides all cannupa's are sacred and so what if don't have the real or original one here, what we do have is still sacred as their has been some miracles and my late relatives had strong beliefs in it here. Why would the Late Fools Crow come here to Green Grass and pray at the sacred site before they departed out of Green Grass? Her statements are invalidating Fools Crow's belief, yet she holds his cannupa she claims he gifted her? I dont want to argue her anymore, she claims to be a KEEPER of a sacredness and still full of spite and hate.



Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: educatedindian on June 02, 2007, 02:26:28 am
Pretty bizarre double standard you're practicing Marlon. Criticism of Dupree is something you won't listen to, even though literally every other source except her word says she's wrong.

You won't even listen to criticism of her even though she *admitted*, in the red words that are highlighted, that this pipe is not the sacred pipe in question but is another.

Why do you still insist on defending her? In fact, why were you drawn to her in the first place? Did it give you some kind of cheap thrill to imagine you were dragging in the mud the man who is probably the most respected Native elder in the country? Did Dupree's imitation feminist pose draw you to her, or was it the imitation anti racist pose? Were you really just upset with the Looking Horse Proclamation and just wanted a way to lash out and try to discredit him?
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: Marlon on June 02, 2007, 06:35:42 am

Hi Educated Indian,

First of all I do not see any bizarre double standard. Take a closer look at those red words. They are not Looking Back Woman's but a woman named Vivian High Elk. I don't know who she is exactly but apparently she has something to do with a meeting that was held on this subject last year with a man called Alfred Boneshirt. I think she was his spokesperson.

As far as being drawn to Looking Back Woman. She contacted me. She sent me a link to her site. I looked it up and was curious about her story. Then asked her to do an interview. I think this interview reveled what she has which is Fools Cows canunpa, not the other one.

I did not want to sddress thos on your site  but then Banaby said " I'm sure a lot of people would be more interested in reading your response to the criticism of your magazine on this forum than they are in reading further interviews with questionable individuals on your website. Please stop posting those links"

So I responded to the criticism. Then Tachia accused me of promoting frauds like Looking Back Woman. Rolling Thunder ,Mala Spotted Eagle and the rest. So I defended my reasons for doing so, which is believing she is not a fraud. I removed the others offline since I can not do they will stay of until I do more research.

So then this man called wilhili on your forum asked me about this so I answered. It took off from there.
As far as "dragging into the mud the most respected native elder in this country", I dont think I have and if so, that was not my intention of interviewing Looking Back Woman. to be honest with you i was much more intrested in John Fire Lame Deer and fools crow than the canunpa and still am. Would rather have just talked about them and not the canunpa at all. I did not even know who he was untill this LBW interview or had never even heard of this proclamation. I am be referring to the pipe keeper Arvol by the way. this was all new to me and had a hard time even understanding it.  thats why i asked a lot of questions. I just was wanted to know. some one said earlier that this should be private and between the Lakota people. I tend to agree with that.

Why would I be upset about Looking Horse Proclamation? I don't want to smoke a pipe or to do sun dances or want to be practice native medicine. I have my own spiritual beliefs.



Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: Barnaby_McEwan on July 13, 2007, 08:14:36 am
Update. Dupree wants to foster Native kids.

http://www.kxmc.com/News/Local/127630.asp

See the comments, in which she lectures someone about "reverse racism" (where've we heard that before?  ::) )
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: educatedindian on July 13, 2007, 01:33:50 pm
That's interesting. Dupree doesn't live on any Lakota rez:

"Posted by Suzanne Dupree on May 30 2007 10:45AM - Who would you contact for the requirements, and is there a necessity for the foster parents to be in the Turtle Mountain region? I live in BC, but have a strong attachment to the Turtle Mountain Region, having lobbied for World Heritage Status for Turtle Mountain Region & International Peace Garden, outside Bossivain, Manitoba in 2002, to IOCOMOS CANADA in Ottawa.
I am status, and registered at Cheyenne River Agency in South Dakota. My husband and I are in our 50's, and already support two International children, through the Children's Fund, and would be interested in aquiring more information and the requirements for having a foster child.
With prayers for your sucess,
Suzanne Dupree"

A little bit of exaggeration there. She doesn't "support" the two kids. For the Children's Fund, you give something like 15 or 20 dollars a month. The CF then goes and uses the number of donations it receives to solicit support from govt and corporate sources. But her misconception is a common one the CF encourages.
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: Moma_porcupine on August 12, 2007, 06:50:20 pm
This is the first time I have ever found myself literally shaking when I posted something ... 

From the Dupree Pt 2 thread ;

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1197.0 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1197.0)
    
Dupree Pt 2
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2007, 03:15:53 pm »
LBW
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And for more archival information that was collected between 1964-1967, that I had no way of manipulating...go read it for yourself, and you will see with your own eyes where the deception started, and by what family.
   
Re: Dupree Pt 2
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2007, 12:04:02 pm »

Marlon quoting from a letter by Smithsoinian Archivest Ray DeMallie
 
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Dear Ms. Dupree, Looking Back Woman,
 
Thank you for you e-mail regarding Wilbur Riegert’s photograph of Martha Bad Warrior.  I apologize for taking so long to reply.

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The extract from a letter I wrote to the archivist in 1966 that is quoted in the catalog section “Local Notes,??? is an embarrassing expression of my youthful certainty:
 
“Although there is no doubt that this is the sacred pipe, it is denied by the modern day keeper's family. They claim it is a replica of the sacred pipe. This helps throw ethnographers off the track. The family says this was not the real pipe, no white man has ever seen the pipe (not true, of course), we cannot open the bundle for you. John and I were not the only ones to try--they said there had been a couple of people there from California, and one from England. John and I did get to go into the sacred pipe enclosure and ‘pray over the pipe’.???
 
I will ask that this be deleted from the catalog entry.

(continued )

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Later this spring, after our semester ends, I plan to make a trip to Washington during which I will have the opportunity to visit the National Anthropological Archives.  In the meantime, I will write to Rob Leopold and send him a revised and streamlined catalog entry, with the request that he substitute it for the old one.  Before I do so, I am attaching it below for your comments, to see if you think it is appropriate.
   
The archived entry that I do have saved in more than one place used to read ;

Creator:    
Riegert, Wilbur A.
Title:    
Sans Arc Dakota woman, Mrs Martha Bad Warrior with group of relatives and friends, Green Grass, South Dakota 1936
Contained in:    
Glass Negatives of Indians (Collected by the Bureau of American Ethnology) 1850s-1930s
Phy. Description:    
1 8x10 in photograph
Black and white copy negative
Bio / His Notes:    
Date: 1936 (3 months before Mrs Bad Warrior's death).
Photographer: Wilbur A. Riegert, Wounded Knee, South Dakota.
Summary:    
Excerpts from letter from R. DeMallie, 5400 Greenwood Avenue, Chicago, 60615, dated 9/26/66: "The picture shows Mrs Martha Bad Warrior holding the Sacred Buffalo Calf Pipe - the main content of the most sacred of the Sioux medicine bundles. The date is August, 1936, three months before Mrs Bad Warrior's death. The occasion was a severe drought. Mrs Bad Warrior unwrapped the pipe at sunrise, and sat all day in the hot sun, praying for rain. It came, eventually, of course, but it is said that her death was a result. The photograph was taken by Wilbur Riegert. I met the little boy on Mrs Bad Warrior's left. He's now a grown man, of course, and is the father of the present keeper of the sacred pipe. The picture was taken at Green Grass, S. D., on the Cheyenne River Reservation."

Extract from Indian Voices, July, 1966 page 4 (reprinted from The Sioux Journal): Custodian of Mystic Calf Pipe Dies at  Green Grass, S. D. Mrs Lucy Looking Horse, the second woman to ever be the custodian of the Mystic Calf Pipe died April 12 at her home in Green Grass, South Dakota. Over many generations, dating back several hundred years, the only other woman so honored as administrator of the pipe was Mrs Martha Bad Warrior who was Lucy's mother. According to legend, the White Buffalo Maiden (calf woman) appearing in the form of a beautiful golden haired maiden, presented the pipe as a token or medium to be used in obtaining the blessings of the Great Spirit (wakan). Appearing to the Indian people in the midst of famine and pestilence she implored them to be patient and that she would come to them, bring ease and comfort as a reward for their suffering. Seeing that their faith was evident she taught them in the use of the pipe--that it should only be used in case of dire need and that on such occasion, only, would the pipe be exposed. She then lighted the pipe, pointed to the sky with the stem and said: "I offer this to Wakan Tanka for all the good that comes from above. (Pointing to the cardinal points:) I offer this to the four winds, whence come all good things." She then changed into a
white buffalo calf. The sacred pipe has been handed down from one generation to another. The original family who administered the pipe was the Elk Head family. In recent years, Mrs Bad Warrior, who died in 1936,passed it on to her half brother Ernest Two Runs, also of Green Grass. The latter gave possession of the pipe to Ehli Bad Warrior in 1942. Upon Ehli's death in 1959, it passed to Mrs Lucy Looking Horse. It is not known who Mrs Looking Horse designated as heir to the pipe.
Organization:    
Item
Provenance:    
Copy (9/66) from original photograph loaned to SOA-A by Mrs Belva Jack, Mission, South Dakota (through R. DeMallie, 5400
Greenwood Avenue, Chicago 60615).
Cite as:    
Negative 55936, Smithsonian Institution National Anthropological Archives
Local Notes:    
Written on back of print: "Property of Wilbur A. Riegert, Wounded Knee, S. Dakota. "Died October 25 - 1936 [Must refer to Mrs Bad Warrior]. "Given to Lucy Looking Horse on 10-29-64 by W. A. Riegert, Everett C. Jordan, Mrs A. M. Clark." [Lucy Looking Horse died in April, 1966. At the giveaway after her death, this picture was given to Mrs Belva Jack.] "This picture, as you see, belonged to Mrs Looking Horse (Lucy H.), the daughter of Martha, and the keeper of the sacred pipe. She died last May. At the giveaway after her death this picture was given to Mrs Belva Jack, of Mission, S. D., a distant relative [who lent it to Ray DeMallie]. ...Although there is no doubt that this is the sacred pipe, it is denied by the modern day keeper's family. They claim it is a replica of the sacred pipe. This helps throw ethnographers off the track. The family says this was not the real pipe, no white man has ever seen the pipe (not true, of course), we cannot open the bundle for you. John and I were not the only ones to try--they said there had been a couple of people there from California, and one from England. John and I did get to go into the sacred pipe enclosure and "pray over the pipe." The picture in the Library of Congress collection shows it wrapped in a buffalo robe; today it is wrapped up in an old, man's gray overcoat."
Extract from Indian Voices (continued). Funeral services for Mrs Looking Horse were held April 16 at the Congregational church at Green Grass. The Rev. Moses Flying By conducted the services. She is survived by her husband, Thomas and one son, Stanley. Preceding her in death were a son and one daughter. Mrs Looking Horse was born Dec. 20, 1891.Culture:    
Dakota Sans Arc
Subject - Geographical:    
South Dakota
Form / Genre:    
Photographs
Repository Loc:    
National Anthropological Archives, Smithsonian Museum Support Center, Suitland, Maryland
Local Number:    
OPPS NEG 55936
Item information


The recently edited entry now reads  ;

http://siris-archives.si.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?uri=full=3100001~!92671!0 (http://siris-archives.si.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?uri=full=3100001~!92671!0)
   
Creator:    
Riegert, Wilbur A.
Title:    
Sans Arc Dakota woman, Mrs Martha Bad Warrior with group of relatives and friends, Green Grass, South Dakota 1936
Contained in:    
Glass Negatives of Indians (Collected by the Bureau of American Ethnology) 1850s-1930s
Phy. Description:    
1 8x10 in photograph
Black and white copy negative
Bio / His Notes:    
Date: August 1936.
Summary:    
The photograph was taken by Wilbur A. Riegert at Green Grass, South Dakota, on Cheyenne River Reservation. Mrs. Bad Warrior was the keeper of the sacred Buffalo Calf Pipe Bundle, the only tribal bundle of the Lakotas. In order to end the long drought that afflicted the plains, she sat all day in the hot sun, holding a pipe on her lap, praying for rain. Mrs. Bad Warrior died October 25, 1936. [Source: Raymond J. DeMallie, Jr., 20 June 2007]
Organization:    
Item
Provenance:    
Copy (Sept. 1966) from original photograph loaned to the Smithsonian Office of Anthropology Archives by Mrs. Belva Jack, Mission, South Dakota (through R. DeMallie, 5400 Greenwood Avenue, Chicago, IL 60615).
Cite as:    
Negative 55936, Smithsonian Institution National Anthropological Archives
References:    
Sidney J. Thomas, "A Sioux Medicine Bundle," American Anthropologist, n.s. vol. 43, pp. 605-609 (1941); John L. Smith, "A Short History of Sacred Calf Pipe of the Teton Dakota," South Dakota University Museum News 28, pp. 1-37 (1967); Wilbur A. Riegert, The Search for the Pipe of the Sioux: As Viewed from Wounded Knee (1975).
Local Notes:    
Written on back of print: "Property of Wilbur A. Riegert, Wounded Knee, S. Dakota. "[Martha Bad Warrior] Died October 25 - 1936. Given to Lucy Looking Horse on 10-29-64 by W. A. Riegert, Everett C. Jordan, Mrs A. M. Clark." [Lucy Looking Horse, daughter of Martha Bad Warrior, died in April, 1966. At the giveaway after her death, this picture was given to Mrs Belva Jack.]
Culture:    
Dakota Sans Arc
Subject - Geographical:    
South Dakota
Form / Genre:    
Photographs
Repository Loc:    
National Anthropological Archives, Smithsonian Museum Support Center, Suitland, Maryland
Local Number:    
OPPS NEG 55936

I would like to post  one or two screen shots of the original Smithsonian record , which I saved in April , but I've never done this before and I don't know how - maybe someone could send me a PM explaining how to do this .....
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edited to update a cached link that went dead

I see the link to the comments in the Rapid City Journal posted below is also gone dead .
The comment can still be accessed by doing a Google search on the terms "LBW" ,"Arvol",
"Rapid City Journal" but it is only in the cached pages . I notice cached URLs seem to keep
changing so I won't try and update this  . I did save the web page if anyone needs to see it .
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: Moma_porcupine on August 12, 2007, 11:51:45 pm
Below is a link to a file I saved of a cached Google webpage on April 19 2007  . It is the webpage from the Smithsonian Archives , which I copied and pasted above , before it was recently changed .

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1286.0 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1286.0)

Thanks for helping make that availabe for people to be able to see Pat and Barnaby .   :) 

I guess it would have been better posted in this thread , but people can find it through the link if they want to confirm the information posted above . This previous version of the webpage is now no longer up and it is not in the web archive so i wanted to make sure it doesn't disappear and people can see for themselves who is changing history .

This 1966 record that is now changed , shows that the WBCP was passed to the Looking Horse family .

This record that is now changed , was in existence before AIM burned anything or allegedly ( according to LBW ) changed or destroyed any history  .

This record that is now changed , shows that 40 years ago Arvols family did not believe in displaying the WBCP publicly , and it is not just Arvol making excuses , when he declines to do this this .
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edited to add

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:ToPR59BP_SoJ:www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2007/01/02/news/
top/news02.txt+LBW+Pipe+Arvol+Argus&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ca (http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:ToPR59BP_SoJ:www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2007/01/02/news/
top/news02.txt+LBW+Pipe+Arvol+Argus&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ca)

Suzanne Dupree AKA Looking Back Woman in a letter to the Rapid City Journal Jan 9, 2007 10:21 AM:

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I have proof our spiritual history was changed, that Arvol Looking Horse never had the Pipe handed down to him from his grand-mother Lucy Looking Horse, because Lucy Looking Horse was never passed the Pipe from her Mother, Martha Bad Warrior,  the third and last blood-line "Keeper" of the Sacred Buffalo Calf Pipe. This information was thought lost during the seige at Wounded Knee, when AIM looted and burned the post office and museum in 1973.
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More information is in the thread Dupree part 2 .
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: earthw7 on August 16, 2007, 06:23:30 pm
I am sorry but this dupree woman is cracked.
The pipe was brought out a couple of weeks ago again.
It is still in Green Grass.
This woman who parades around in photo with this pipe
should know that this is wrong. Even if it is not the
White buffalo calf pipe it should be treated with respect.
What is wrong with these people.
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: debbieredbear on August 16, 2007, 10:10:08 pm
It's so obvious this woman is nuts, and yet LeKay went off and stsrted his attacks on Al over this woman. Oh, I was told that when she lived in Seattle, she used to claim she was WHite Buffalo Calf Woman.
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: frederica on August 17, 2007, 04:07:59 pm
Remember, LeKay state she came to him. That's one question, Why? Is this just her ego trip, I can't figure why she wants to be so disruptive?    frederica
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: earthw7 on August 17, 2007, 04:19:50 pm
Here on Standing Rock Right next to Cheyenne River Reservation
We don't acknowledge her. I called the Tribal Council at Cheyenne River
and they don't acknowledge her.
I passed our her shameful picture with this pipe around here and people
were really upset. No respect for the pipe and respect for herself.
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: frederica on August 18, 2007, 02:11:23 am
I didn't think people would pay much attention to her aside from being annoyed. I think maybe she is not too crazy, but manupalative, self-serving, and a user. Interesting the people she uses like Manatanka and LeKay. But there is a flaw there somewhere.  frederica
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: Peacewalker on September 22, 2008, 01:21:04 am

 My name is Sheila Simpson born in Northern Ireland.I came to Canada in 1980
 Coming from a culture that was decimated by war and genocide  I felt fortunate to meet with a medicine person who showed me the ceremonial way of first nations and in particular the Lakota nation.  Whitecloud's message carried the belief that the native perspective is part of a pattern that mankind must find and develop for a true healing and an everlasting peace.

The medicine that came my way was very strong. I knew and believed that if I took my time I would understand more about spirit and the gifts that spirit had for me.

Prayer was always part of my christian life and the ceremony of the sweat lodge made complete sense. In fact  it made even more sense than the God created that divided everyone into different faiths.

My first sweat was powerful I thought I was seeing things but now I realize I was seeing my animal totems

When I wrote to emissary of light and told them about a vision it was only to share what I thought was a message for the rainbow walkers.
The indigenous nations hold the fabric of earth together and the rainbow people travel between them.

Can you imagine how shocked I was to see my name on your site as a
Fraud New Age Plastic Shaman

I do not know what criteria you apply when you  judge others.

I have sundanced five years. I carry a pipe from Irish Stone.

I am 100% Gael.  If the Lakota Elders had not wanted us to learn the ways then they would not have opened up the ceremony.

Chief Fools Crow knew this. We are all trying to find our way home,after all are we not spirit having human experience.

For the people who exploit ceremony they will pay with their lives.

I am not out there doing any of these things. I just happen to share a very powerful vision. Would you criticize me for being a "wise man" in biblical times as you do for being a oracle in current times

Please remove my name from you slander list . I am real. I am not a fraud.

Sheila Simpson
Canada

Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on September 22, 2008, 06:09:08 pm
Go raibh maith agat, a Shíle. I think you've singlehandedly demonstrated why the actual Lakota elders have chosen to no longer welcome outsiders into ceremonies.
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: educatedindian on September 23, 2008, 01:24:42 am
JUst to give everyone the full story. Simpson calls herself "Moves Fire Woman" and claims to be a Native medicine woman intitiated and trained by Dupree. She sent essentially the same post to the forum email account. I thought she was merely naive and tried explaining to her what our objections were, hoping to get through to her.

She responded with a series of threats, foul abusive language, and general obnoxiousness, not to mention more of her bizarre cluelessness, including delusions of having President Grant as an ancestor, claiming Fools Crow and Looking Horse both follow her guidance, and then blaming the Lakota themselves for the Black Hills being stolen.

And to top it off, she now is spreading joining Dupree is spreading an incredible and outrageous slander that outdoes even Dupree in its ridiculousness. She is claiming Looking Horse is involved in the murder of Anna Mae Aquash and that is why AIM and others are "out to get" Dupree.

It's informative to know Dupree's followers and people trained by her are even lower in their character than her. Below is her foul slanderous email, followed by my earlier email to her.

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On Thu, 9/18/08, peacewalker <peacewalker@cogeco.ca> wrote:

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 12:15 AMSubject: Re: sheila simpson northern ireland
I believe she has a standing and I would humbly ask on what authority you speak?   

I will find you and I am from northern ireland and guess what we do not tolerate bullshit

You have no right to judge another person. I think your site is disgusting and I intend to report it

Please do not reply to this email. I am 100% Gael . If you were intelligent you would know that we had the same ceremonial tools as the Lakota.

I have done my work I have walked the red road and I am not about to bow down to  yourself.  I am a medicine woman I carry the medicine of many geat women healers. My ancestor was US Grant. I believe he tried to give back the Black Hills to the Sioux but there was a corrupt bunch in Washington pulling strings and instead of good things happening bad stuff did and Lakota did it to themselves.

If the Lakota did not want their ceremonies shared then the elders would not have opened up the path. If Grandpa Fools Crow was around he would tell you people off. Critising others who are doing the work. It's site like yours that only confuse and I think that is the purpose.

So good luck to you and yours keep my name there I relly do not care but I will be seeking some legal advice and sending you some medicne.

Moves Fire Woman

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My email to her. Sometimes trying to be helpful only gets you foulmouthed nastiness from Nuage twinkie assholes.

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You are either extremely naive or you choose to be willifully blind in order to believe that Dupree is any kind of medicine woman or has any respect or standing among her people that she abandoned long ago.

Dupree is a hairdresser, and one of the worst liars I have ever seen, who has led a campaign to smear and defame the actual medicine people and traditional leaders among the Lakota. There are barely any words in her fanciful stories that are anything close to being true, and only an outsider with little understanding of Lakota or Native traditions or peoples would think otherwise.

In one sense Dupree is a pawn, much as you are allowing yourself to be used as a pawn also. A racist New Age promoter, John Lekay or Heyoka Magazine, is seeking to gain power and control over Lakota people and religion and hopes to do so using Dupree. Lekay in turn has worked with white supremacists seeking to undermine NAFPS and its work.

While your willingness to help protest wrongs against Native people is admirable, you commit very similar wrongs yourself when you promote a liar and exploiter like Dupree.

To a large extent you are simply very confused, as your online discussion of your vision shows. A vision is not something you display for everyone to see like an antique curio you are proud of finding in a shop, and your discussion of its meaning publicly would strike most Native people as vain, showy, and an act of personal ego. Your interpretation of its meaning shows a lot of grasping at straws, at many different belief systems that are unrelated.

You are not listed as a fraud at NAFPS, only as a very naive and confused supporter of a New Age fraud, Suzanne Dupree. So the listing stays since it is accurate.

I hope you reconsider your public support of an abusive, liar, and exploiter of Lakota tradiitons, Suzanne Dupree. Take down your webpage claiming she is a medicine person, it harms Native people.

As I said before, your support of Native causes is admirable, and I hope you see the contradiction in your previous help before, and supporting someone only out to cause harm like Dupree and Lekay.

We always welcome open discussion at NAFPS, and you can discuss this more there if you wish.
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: Superdog on September 23, 2008, 12:29:29 pm
Well....Sheila's own words are a PRIME example of the evils that come from plastic shamanism.  The sense of entitlement to a culture that's not hers is EXTREME in her case.  Even using threats of violence.  Shameful.....definitely not following a road of wisdom....she's still caught up in emotion.  It seems she uses Lakota spirituality to escape like a junkie on drugs.  Her anger even follows the behavior pattern of an addict. 

Sheila....look inside.  Take the empty threats somewhere else.  You are not entitled to any of it.  You are an outsider looking in and you should carry yourself as such.  5 years of Sundance does not make you an authority on anything.  You're just a baby in that regard.  If you do try and follow this path then you should know that if you throw bad medicine at others...it's gonna come back on YOU.  You're the one who has to balance that out with your life.  Do you really want to risk that with anger and a lack of humility before creation.  You're just a human being...humble and pitiful before creation.  Hopefully somebody else has echoed these words to you in your travels.

Maybe you can learn something from this.

Superdog
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: ska on September 25, 2008, 03:22:47 am
Dear Peacewalker/Sheila,

I'd like to know more about your chief, "White Cloud" who started up a Sun Dance on Vancouver Island, as well as one in New Zealand.

Where did you get the idea that he is Lakota?  What Lakota community does he come from? 

ska
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: Peacewalker on October 24, 2008, 03:35:01 am
Pat was born in 1942 on the Grand Portage Ojibway Indian reserve located at Thunder Bay, Ontario. He was the youngest sibling, with four brothers and three sisters. As a native child of that time, Pat was very fortunate to have been born into this particular family. His father held a very high ranking in the reserve hierarchy, and was fairly steadily employed in the lumber industry. His mother's family, from across the line at the White Earth reserve, Minnesota, was equally ranked with many members active in reserve politics. For Pat, born a dual citizen, the international boundary did not exist, and for most of his childhood and adolescence, travel back and forth between the two reserves was the norm. To this day he recognizes no borders and this attitude is always a source of aggravation for customs agents when he travels.

Alcoholism and poverty reigned supreme on the Ontario reserve, and the Hendrickson family was not unaffected. Pat's father was a severe alcoholic and eventually succumbed to the disease early on in the sixties. His mother passed away in 1991 of natural causes which Pat says were aggravated by a lifetime of drinking, poverty and hardship. Her final years were spent sober, but the damage to her health remained. Most of the siblings have settled in the Los Angeles area and two have since passed on. A brother was murdered in L.A. and a sister was killed in a car crash.

Due to his family status, Pat was accepted to receive his education from the Roman Catholic parochial schools near both reserves. Most of his primary schooling was done in Ontario and the secondary grades were completed at a similar school in Minnesota. Pat enjoyed school and did very well. He felt that if he could master Mathematics and English the rest would be a "snap" and this philosophy served him well. The Catholics were brutal disciplinarians and Pat's comment on that was, " The education was great, but man they were harsh!!!". The good memories center around chapel, jelly sandwiches, and one particular weaving course where he wove "the rug of many colors".

Already we see events which set this individual outside of the statistical norm. First his birth and early childhood took place during and shortly after World War II. Although he was culturally sheltered by reserve life, the tribal politics must have been somewhat affected by the national attitudes of the time. Second, the harshness of reserve life "hardened" him and brought off-time events such as the death of family members. Third, his dual citizenship offered him an international perspective that few share, and lastly his education by the Catholics was a truly exquisite experience, marked by severe discipline and topped off with a liberal helping of verbal, physical and sexual abuse.

Six months or so following his graduation from high school, Pat set out for university. He began this six year academic pursuit at University of California-Berkley with majors in Chemistry, Psychology and Abnormal Psychology. His interest in chemistry involved a desire to understand molecular structure and be able to relate a deeper understanding to the natural world. The Psychology major represented his fascination with the workings of the human mind, an interest that he follows to this day. After two and a half years at Berkeley he lost interest in chemistry and moved on to Uof C-Long Beach, then to UCLA, then back to U of C Berkley where he graduated.

During his adolescence and young adulthood, and between periods of schooling, Pat found ample time for adventure. At some point early on in this stage, it was determined that he could use some mentoring to balance a burgeoning rebellious streak. It was arranged that Pat would spend time with " The Old Man" ( as he is referred to in the tapes). The Old Man was a Lakota Medicine Man from Pine Ridge in neighboring South Dakota. Pat became one of his regular helpers, and for seven years they traveled all over the states, bringing the old ceremonies, songs, and traditional healing to tribes and reservations that had all but lost their culture. Unknown to anyone at the time, the old man would later become recognized as one of the most powerful and respected of the modern native Medicine Men. His name was Frank Fools Crow, and he has been credited as single-handedly bringing back the sacred Sundance to the people. He was also respected by the federal government, and treated as spiritual grandfather by the membership of the American Indian Movement.
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: Peacewalker on October 24, 2008, 04:14:33 am
Whitecloud was a native from North America; a member of the Anishnabe tribe. He lived much of his life on a reserve (White Earth Reserve) where he learned from a diverse perspective of a native growing up in a changing world for the native people. His guidance and experience in a ceremonial life, as well as a strong instruction of the native philosophy of land and life helped him stay within his culture and survive. This would be of great help to him in later years. Whitecloud was a Sundancer; Pipe Carrier; and a practioner of many healing ceremonies taught to him by his elders and colleagues over a 50-year span. Whitecloud also facilitated Sundances in Canada and New Zealand (Aotearoa) along with all the related ceremonies, Purification Lodges, Vision Quest, and one to one sessions.

Whitecloud for the last 35 years of his life travelled the world and offered his knowledge and experience to people. With a commitment to a healing process for land and life, he offered ceremony and ritual from a life that had experienced and balanced the many challenges of living in an ever-changing world.

Whitecloud's message also carried the belief that the Native perspective is part of the pattern that mankind must find and develop for a true healing and a everlasting peace.

Chief Patrick "White Cloud" Hendrickson is an Anishinabe ( Ojibway) hereditary chief, respected Elder, and Sun dance intercessor. The following information was drawn from a taped, three hour discussion that was held on Sun. May 21st, 2000, at this writer's home in Courtenay B.C.

Pat was born in 1942 on the Grand Portage Ojibway Indian reserve located at Thunder Bay, Ontario. He was the youngest sibling, with four brothers and three sisters. As a native child of that time, Pat was very fortunate to have been born into this particular family. His father held a very high ranking in the reserve hierarchy, and was fairly steadily employed in the lumber industry. His mother's family, from across the line at the White Earth reserve, Minnesota, was equally ranked with many members active in reserve politics. For Pat, born a dual citizen, the international boundary did not exist, and for most of his childhood and adolescence, travel back and forth between the two reserves was the norm. To this day he recognizes no borders and this attitude is always a source of aggravation for customs agents when he travels.

Alcoholism and poverty reigned supreme on the Ontario reserve, and the Hendrickson family was not unaffected. Pat's father was a severe alcoholic and eventually succumbed to the disease early on in the sixties. His mother passed away in 1991 of natural causes which Pat says were aggravated by a lifetime of drinking, poverty and hardship. Her final years were spent sober, but the damage to her health remained. Most of the siblings have settled in the Los Angeles area and two have since passed on. A brother was murdered in L.A. and a sister was killed in a car crash.

Due to his family status, Pat was accepted to receive his education from the Roman Catholic parochial schools near both reserves. Most of his primary schooling was done in Ontario and the secondary grades were completed at a similar school in Minnesota. Pat enjoyed school and did very well. He felt that if he could master Mathematics and English the rest would be a "snap" and this philosophy served him well. The Catholics were brutal disciplinarians and Pat's comment on that was, " The education was great, but man they were harsh!!!". The good memories center around chapel, jelly sandwiches, and one particular weaving course where he wove "the rug of many colors".

Already we see events which set this individual outside of the statistical norm. First his birth and early childhood took place during and shortly after World War II. Although he was culturally sheltered by reserve life, the tribal politics must have been somewhat affected by the national attitudes of the time. Second, the harshness of reserve life "hardened" him and brought off-time events such as the death of family members. Third, his dual citizenship offered him an international perspective that few share, and lastly his education by the Catholics was a truly exquisite experience, marked by severe discipline and topped off with a liberal helping of verbal, physical and sexual abuse.

Six months or so following his graduation from high school, Pat set out for university. He began this six year academic pursuit at University of California-Berkley with majors in Chemistry, Psychology and Abnormal Psychology. His interest in chemistry involved a desire to understand molecular structure and be able to relate a deeper understanding to the natural world. The Psychology major represented his fascination with the workings of the human mind, an interest that he follows to this day. After two and a half years at Berkeley he lost interest in chemistry and moved on to Uof C-Long Beach, then to UCLA, then back to U of C Berkley where he graduated.

During his adolescence and young adulthood, and between periods of schooling, Pat found ample time for adventure. At some point early on in this stage, it was determined that he could use some mentoring to balance a burgeoning rebellious streak. It was arranged that Pat would spend time with " The Old Man" ( as he is referred to in the tapes). The Old Man was a Lakota Medicine Man from Pine Ridge in neighboring South Dakota. Pat became one of his regular helpers, and for seven years they traveled all over the states, bringing the old ceremonies, songs, and traditional healing to tribes and reservations that had all but lost their culture. Unknown to anyone at the time, the old man would later become recognized as one of the most powerful and respected of the modern native Medicine Men. His name was Frank Fools Crow, and he has been credited as single-handedly bringing back the sacred Sundance to the people. He was also respected by the federal government, and treated as spiritual grandfather by the membership of the American Indian Movement.

During his young adulthood, Pat spent some time in Minneapolis and events that began at that time were about to change the world, and him forever. Pat and his native friends in the area bore witness to many acts of severe racist abuse and violence by the local police. Fed up with oppression and fueled by the civil rights movement, they picked up a police scanner, and every time they heard that a native was being arrested they would show up on the scene and monitor (sometimes confrontationally) the situation. This was the birth of the American Indian Movement or A.I.M. as it became known. Under the leadership of people like Dennis Banks, Russell Means and Leonard Crow Dog (people met during travels with Fools Crow), A.I.M. became a powerful voice for the native people. The movement spread west to California, and in 1969 supported the Indian occupation of Alcatrez, and many other causes and protests across the country. The most visible protest of A.I.M. was the standoff at Wounded Knee in 1973. This was a volatile time for Pat as he was involved in all these things, plus trying to make a living and go to university. When he graduated Uof C Berkeley there was more than a cap and gown on his back- there was also a monkey.

In 1972 Pat entered a L.A. residential treatment program as a client, the following year he became the executive director. Laughing while relating this, Pat says, "Either I was very brilliant or they were very hard up, a bit of both I think.". Working his way from Councilor 1 up to Councilor 3 in short order, he also wrote proposals and accepted outside contracts in other facilities. He stayed on managing the program for seven years. When asked about other jobs, his response was "You name it!", and went on to describe cooking, roofing, laborer, auto mechanics etc.. when asked to narrow it down to those he felt were significant, he described ten years of involvement with Corrections, both in Canada and the U.S.. Stateside, Pat accepted contracts to various prisons, negotiating parole terms, facilitating ceremonies and acting as spiritual advisor on behalf of native inmates. In Canada, he served on full-time staff at Matsqui correctional facility for five years as spiritual elder to the disproportionately large native inmate population. At this time he says he is on an extended hiatus from that career.

During 1977 another event occurred that began an enormous change in Pat's life. Throughout his life, to this point, Pat had been acutely aware of the atrocities brought upon the native people by the white man. He had been the victim of countless acts of racism, and always struggled against discriminatory policy. This viewpoint had left him with a bitter resentment - even hatred, toward white people. He would not go into a sweatlodge with whites nor would he pray with them in any ceremony. While living in L.A. Pat was invited to accompany a local elder to a symposium of aboriginal elders held near Vancouver at Simon Fraser University. While there, he had the opportunity to hear the words and wisdom of many different tribal elders from all parts of the world. It was determined as a consensus at the conference that indeed the whole planet was suffering, and it was incumbent on the native peoples, in their role as keepers of the land to do what they could to avert disaster and that the spiritual traditions and wisdom of the original people should be awakened and shared with all the peoples of the world. The speech of one particular Hopi Medicine Man moved something deep inside. Although the content of that was not revealed in the interview, the resulting change in Pat's attitude is clearly visible today. Much of the Medicine work that he does in the community is with and for white people, that they might awaken their spirits and begin to live for the land and the life upon it.

At this point in his life, Pat is working as a full time Medicine man. He spends about half his time traveling back and forth to wherever people need him, during the last year he has facilitated ceremonies in Japan, Greece, California, Arizona, Oregon and all over B.C. as well as a lot of work right here in the Comox Valley. He councils people in need, performs marriages, runs Sweatlodges, Vision Quests and Yuipi healings. He sits at talking circles, runs pipe ceremonies and drum workshops, mediates disputes, does radio talk shows, officiates at pow wows, and sits as honored guest at Potlatches. Last, but most importantly, he intercesses the Vancouver Island Sundance - his most powerful vision. Beginning in 1999 as a small "family" dance with 10 dancers in the arbor, it has expanded this year to at least 25 dancers, some from Japan, Arizona and California. His vision supports hundreds of dancers eventually, representing all continents and skin colors.

When asked about marriage, Pat explained that he had been married three times, so perhaps he was not the one to give advise on that. He did talk a bit about his last marriage which lasted quite a while and produced two children that are a source of great love and attachment. Bobby, his son (20) and Christina his daughter (22) are young adults now in their own right, and live in Arizona near their mother. Christina has a son, now 2yrs old who Pat says is already a computer geek Pat is in continual contact with them and spends time with them while Stateside. Their mother, Suzy, and Pat got together when they lived in L.A.. She is a Hopi native from Flagstaff, Arizona. It is a Hopi tradition that when one marries a Hopi, they become Hopi and are adopted into the tribe. After they were married they made Flagstaff their home and Pat was made welcome by the tribal Elders, who shared their teachings, prophesies and ceremonies with him. Pat spent a lot of time on the road, what with his affairs in L.A. and continuing Medicine work, and this took its toll on the marriage, which eventually collapsed under the strain. Currently, when not traveling, Pat lives with Mary, his girlfriend of four years. Mary is of Cree descent, a Sundancer, and a single mother of one son, Chris. When speaking to the success of their relationship, Pat credits the fact that they both share the same spiritual path and beliefs.

When asked about his life and work today, and if there was anything that he would change, he responded that he was very satisfied with what he did, that he loved to watch the Medicine work in people, that it helped to satisfy his craving to learn. He loves the healing in whatever form it takes, and observing the interactional dynamics between people. He maintains a life of no judgment and no attachment, and comes as close to achieving that ideal as is possible in this society. If there was anything he could change it would be around the lack of payment for his work. It seems ironic to this writer that people will pay $100/hr to a psychologist for months of therapy that proves ineffective, yet when four days of native Medicine helps them, they cant seem to pay anything. A double irony is the fact that this particular Medicine Man has all the professional qualifications of most psychologists, works just as hard or harder, yet lives in abject poverty.

A great difficulty lies in trying to relate this unique individual's life to the current stage theories or even non-stage theories described in Helen Bee's text mentioned earlier. Against Erikson's stage model Pat would seem to measure up to the highest stage of Ego integrity, yet the age stipulation does not match, and many of the preceding stages seem to have been skipped or missed altogether. In Loevinger's Model we see a better match without the age barriers, but again we have the problem of previous stages. Pat has been granted Elder status by every tribal group he has worked with since he was in his mid thirties. With Levinson's Seasons of Adulthood theory, we can see a rough correlation to the mentor relationship, but again off-time within a younger age category. Valliant's Defense Mechanism theory would see Pat at the higher levels, having moved through the more immature responses much earlier in life. According to Perun and Bielby's Timing Model every aspect of Pats life is asynchronous yet he has no experience of stress. Even the physical effects of aging seem to miss him. Pat enjoys excellent health, and most times he could be mistaken for a man in his late thirties or early forties. From a psychological perspective, this subject seems to pose as an enigma to be sure.

* Author's Perspective *

Having known this man on a personal level for five years, I can say that this story represents only a very small part of the life experience of Chief White Cloud. He is an extremely intelligent, very observant man. He is a gifted orator with an expansive vocabulary. He possesses unbounded compassion, generosity, and altruism. In ceremony he is unmatched in ability. It is said that the great chief Fools Crow died without passing on his sacred knowledge or bundle,(Mails1991) but it is this writer's belief that the Old Man's spirit is still alive and well through the works of men like Patrick "White Cloud" Hendrickson.

Above all that has been said about this man it should be added here that he is very, very human and a man that I am proud to call: my friend.
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: educatedindian on October 25, 2008, 02:11:34 am
So Henderson is not Lakota at all but Ojibwe (you claim) and supposedly trained by Fools Crow(you claim).

Like many Nuage people you're fond of that quote of Fools Crow, taken out of context, that supposedly claims these ceremonies or medicine are for all people. What he actually meant pretty clearly was that the healing was meant for everyone. Fools Crow signed declarations written by AIM, along with many other medicine people, that clearly come out against exploiters and plastic shamans. He knew the ceremonies must be done only by those within the culture, traditionally trained.

It's also worth noting that Simpson originally posted an angry hysterical message against NicDana filled with "how dare you!" and "you hurt my feelings" etc. If she deleted it I take it as a hopeful sign. Perhaps she can be reached. 
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on October 25, 2008, 02:30:23 am
It's also worth noting that Simpson originally posted an angry hysterical message against NicDana filled with "how dare you!" and "you hurt my feelings" etc. If she deleted it I take it as a hopeful sign. Perhaps she can be reached. 

Did she post and then delete something public? If so, I didn't see it. You may be thinking of the private screed she sent me with that content, among other choice bon mots, which I forwarded to you and the other mods. And no, she has made no retraction or apology for it.
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: ska on October 25, 2008, 02:27:39 pm
Peacewalker,

Thanks for the information.  If you don't mind, I have a few more questions:

1) Why do you speak of Mr. Hendrickson in the present tense, since he has passed away?

2) I've been told the Vancouver Island Sun Dance started more than 15 years ago, but you suggest it started more recently.  Can you clear this up for me?

3)  How many people are currently dancing at this Sun Dance and how many are Indian/Native?

4) Who is conducting the Sun Dance now, and what nation are they connected to?

5) What Lakota communities/elders does your Sun Dance answer to?

6) How many of the people who engage in this sacred ceremony speak Lakota, particularly among the ones who conduct the ceremony and those doing the singing?

7) When did the Sun Dance in New Zealand start and how many participate over there?

8) Do you have any web links where we can find more information about these sun dances?

Thanks, ska
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: Peacewalker on October 29, 2008, 03:15:38 pm

  History of Vancouver Island sundance

  In 1999 the first dance was held, after Crowdog came to Vancouver and did a yuwipi  at the Native Friendship Center on Hasting Street.
The dance ran for four years on Hornby island. Dancers came from Japan and Alteaora
The dance then moved to Vancouver Island and Pat was the intercessor for two years until he died in the third year of the dance. He passed the responsibility on you a young man called Kevin Campbell,who is Mic'maq I think.
I really cannot tell you about the present dance as I have no contact with the dance.
I believe it is running now for six years.
The interview with Pat was done years ago.

peacewalker
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: Peacewalker on October 29, 2008, 05:01:54 pm
I have decided not to llok at your site anymore and this will be my last post as I really find the fraud busting you think you are doing is getting people hurt, if people are abusing the medicine then it will take care of them,whereas what you are doing is inciting violence by your nit picking. Emails that I have written you make snide comments ie my mentioning Fools Crow. Well Pat was with him..end of story. I never said Pat was Lakota at any time yet you attribute that to me.
As for the [Insult removed] american woman with the irish.  [Mild cursing] you to sit in judgement of me and sound so superior, you are [Insult removed]. I have walked the red road thirteen years tended and built endless fires,vision quested four times and danced. I have walked the talk. I am somebody whereas you sound like a [Vicious insults removed],with no, I repeated no manners....try sitting on the hill and learn some humanity.

I have some to believe that your site is very devious working against the medicine and the spirit, dangerous as you incite violence in the young and vunerable
I am a white woman and I have as much right to the spirit as any Lakota  and Suzanne Dupree is the one they talked about. That is why Fools Crow called her Lookingbackwoman.
Russell Means is a bad man and the voice of Anna Mae is growing louder

I feel your site is a bad site an evil site and your up to no good

goodbye

Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: ska on October 29, 2008, 08:26:29 pm
Dear Peacewalker,

Why must you distance yourself from your own frustration and lack of understanding by casting so many insults at Kathryn?

Please, if you say you have learned something about an Indian way of life, then please control your desire to insult and castigate those who disagree with you. 

Through our words and deeds we will reveal ourselves.  If the people you believe in are doing right, and you stand solidly behind them, then you should not fear the responses of others - the truth will out.

In some way, I feel responsible for the abuse you are putting on Kathryn, because it is I who has asked you to speak further about this Sun Dance.  It makes me feel sad that, because I raised these questions in public, someone else is being abused. 

Please, Peacewalker, you and I and Kathryn are all women - there is no need to throw around ugly, sexist comments like "fat cow" and no good ever comes out of name-calling.

I did not mean to send the message that you, yourself, claimed that Mr. Hendrickson was Lakota, only that many others have told me that.  To date, I can not find any evidence that this Sun Dance is sanctioned by any Lakota elder or community . . . unless you can please fill me in?

I am not attacking you, Peacewalker.  But I hope that you are aware that you are offending many Indian people on this board by claiming some authority and knowledge of Lakota culture and politics, when you clearly have little (although you clearly think you have a lot!).

To claim that Frank Fools Crow "single-handedly brought back the Sun Dance" is bizarre, foolhardy, false, and deragatory to the efforts and struggles of Lakota people on many reservations to maintain their way of life.  But as far as I can tell, very few people off the reservation know much about what the Lakota Oyate have done to protect their  ceremonies and pass on the history of their actions.  The ones who know were there, standing beside their family members, or hearing the stories from their parents and grandparents, humbly carrying their responsibilities forward. Many of family names of those involved never appear on the internet, and I'm sure that's the way the families want it.

Peacewalker, did you ever wonder why anyone who does not speak the Lakota language would think they were able to conduct a  Sun Dance ceremony?  Do any alarm bells go off for you when you consider that a large group of non-native people are claiming to participate in a sacred Lakota ceremony that's being conducted by a self-claimed miqmaq in Cowichan territories where there are no Lakotas present?  It gives me an uneasy feeling, but maybe there is something I don't know about the ties and bonds that have been forged between this ceremony and Lakota people.

It's good to hear you talking about this ceremony.  By talking about it, my perception is that you believe this ceremony to be legitimate and, therefore, you have nothing to hide.  I like that - others whom I have asked have been very secretive, leaving me to wonder if they are trying to hide something.

Do you know the names of any other leaders of this ceremony that could be contacted for further information?  Please feel free to give me the info in a personal message, if preferred.  I am genuinely interested.

Best, ska

Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: debbieredbear on October 31, 2008, 01:59:07 am
some translatons:
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I have some to believe that your site is very devious working against the medicine and the spirit, dangerous as you incite violence in the young and vunerable
really means "How dare you expose my personal guru"

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I am a white woman and I have as much right to the spirit as any Lakota  .
means "I should be able to do whatever I want and how dare anyone say different!"

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I feel your site is a bad site an evil site and your up to no good

menas "I am taking my toys and going home, stomping my feet all the way."


Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: Superdog on October 31, 2008, 12:13:31 pm
I have decided not to llok at your site anymore and this will be my last post as I really find the fraud busting you think you are doing is getting people hurt, if people are abusing the medicine then it will take care of them,whereas what you are doing is inciting violence by your nit picking. Emails that I have written you make snide comments ie my mentioning Fools Crow. Well Pat was with him..end of story. I never said Pat was Lakota at any time yet you attribute that to me.
As for the [Insult removed] american woman with the irish.  [Mild cursing] you to sit in judgement of me and sound so superior, you are [Insult removed]. I have walked the red road thirteen years tended and built endless fires,vision quested four times and danced. I have walked the talk. I am somebody whereas you sound like a [Vicious insults removed],with no, I repeated no manners....try sitting on the hill and learn some humanity.

I have some to believe that your site is very devious working against the medicine and the spirit, dangerous as you incite violence in the young and vunerable
I am a white woman and I have as much right to the spirit as any Lakota  and Suzanne Dupree is the one they talked about. That is why Fools Crow called her Lookingbackwoman.
Russell Means is a bad man and the voice of Anna Mae is growing louder

I feel your site is a bad site an evil site and your up to no good

goodbye



There's that sense of entitlement again.  I think she forgets that she's the one who threatened violence.  No one else.

Sheila.  Whatever credit you give yourself....you still have a lot to learn.  Sometimes people just get it...sometimes people try and mold these ways into their own way of thinking...blocking their true message and mixing it with something else turning it into something else.  I believe you're someone still trying to understand things, but telling everyone you know it all.  In fact, it's painfully obvious to everyone but you.  You're not practicing Lakota ways....you're practicing Sheila's ways.

I feel for you and I hope  you figure it out, but a piece of helpful advice is to humble yourself.  Even those you perceive as enemies are themselves just human beings, meaning there is worth in their lives and they have something to teach you.  We're all on the same level after all.

Give up the anger....it'll eat you alive in the end.  Break out of your shell...get to know a complete community rather than a few individuals and diversify your education.  You'll find that with following these ways there's no need to try and become a great sage of healing.  Just be part of life and contribute to it and you're example will heal others without you having to say anything. 

People who walk the red road never have to announce it to others.  It's usually obvious.  If you're announcing it and using your spiritual education to attack others...that negativity bounces back to you.  It's all a cycle. 

Maybe someday you will get it...until then please do your best not to lead others away.

Superdog
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: zoi lightfoot on November 17, 2008, 01:20:47 pm
As i am Anishinaabe,maybe Sheila can explain to me for the benifit of all what Anishinaabe or Lakota traditions have in common?Most certainly as historicaly speaking,while we are happy to stand along side eachother and defend eachothers rights as Sovereign Nations,we are the two Nations who have butted heads way before anyone in Ireland knew where "America/Canada"was!.
Do not attatch Indian Nuage apologists to our most sacred traditions,it shows not only racial arrogance but a presumption you have the slightest clue of what our nations are all about.Who we are today is shaped by thousands of years of evolution and spiritual practises.You and others of your ilk,come across like some diy manual with the instructions ripped out.You have no spiritual standing.accept that fact,get over it and move onto understanding your own (as in Irish) tribal history,then you might stand a cat in hells chance of actualy glimpsing what the Indian Nations are all about.
Title: Interview on Marie Elk Head Fiddler
Post by: MrPiz on March 03, 2010, 11:25:08 am
Hello out there!

A couple of months ago I found the first part of a thrilling interview on youtube. Its interrupted before it gets to more detailed points, witch i consider to be a pity.

If you do not already know what I´m talking about please watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuUloHVYMbc   first, it will take approx. 5min, thank you.

Does anybody know where to get the whole interview from?!
The owner of the youtube account does not reply any of my requests since weeks... I thought this Forum will be the best place to research.
Who took the interview? Is it possibal to get in conatkt with him/her/them?
Is there any statement by Arvol Looking Horse? I couldn't find one on the internet.

Thank you!

sincerely MrPiz
Title: Re: Interview on Marie Elk Head Fiddler
Post by: Ingeborg on March 03, 2010, 03:15:32 pm
The issue mentioned in the interview is a matter which must be decided by the Lakota nation, not by anybody else.

The video apparently was taken by persons belonging to a small group within the Lakota nation who, for whatever reasons, are fiercely opposed to Arvol Looking Horse. As you can see from the comments to the video, the person who put the video up at youtube apparently publishes accusations against Looking Horse without giving proof of what they say. In order to support their accusations, they have at times promoted the claims of persons who are listed in the fraud section of NAFPS.

On a more personal note: from what I've seen from these persons so far, when one of them happens to pass gas, they won't hesitate to put the blame on Looking Horse, because certainly Looking Horse has been eating too many beans...
Title: Re: Interview on Marie Elk Head Fiddler
Post by: MrPiz on April 02, 2010, 04:13:56 pm
Hello out there.

Thank you Ingeborg for your post, I can see your point.
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The issue mentioned in the interview is a matter which must be decided by the Lakota nation, not by anybody else
I agree.

Still I´m confused.
There is more than "only"
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a small group within the Lakota nation who, for whatever reasons, are fiercely opposed to Arvol Looking Horse
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The DLN writes on its side: http://www.dlncoalition.org/dln_issues/fiddlerstatement.htm

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We are in the process of getting copies of these documents out to the world. People have to wake up and realize that they are being fooled by Arvol and Paula, One of the greatest Hoaxes of the times by this couple and their families, of course they stand a lot to lose money wise, These lineal descendants of Elk Head have their papers and their probate records to prove the truth, this would hold up in any court.

Alfred Bone Shirt

May 31, 2008

To: Mr. Arvol Looking Horse and Paula Horne-Mullen; All Youth organizatlons/groups, All Federally Recognized Tribes; Respective Chairmen; Respective Council people; Non- Profit organizatlons, other organizations/groups; Businesses; Universities; Schools and all education systems; Casinos; Museums; News Medial: Radio, Newspapers and Television; private individuals and extended relatives of Mr. Looking Horse.

We, as the rightful heirs and direct, lineal descendants of the 9th Generation Keeper of our Sacred Canunpa; Elk Head, are requesting that Mr. Arvol Looking Horse cease and desist from misrepresenting himself as the so called 19th Generation Keeper of the Sacred Canunpa; the White Buffalo Calf Pipe, as he puts it. Mr. Arvol Looking Horse is not a direct lineal descendant, nor is he related by blood or have any type of familial ties, and nor was he or his relatives before him was ever designated to be the Keeper, by Elk Head; who was the true Keeper and had passed into the spirit world in 1914. Our grandfather, Elk Head had left a legal will in his probate records designating his eldest son, Elias Elk Head to be the Keeper of the sacred Canunpa and designated his eldest grandson from Elias, William Elk Head to be after Elias. Mrs. Martha Bad Warrior was not his daughter, nor was she designated to be a Keeper of the sacred Canunpa. It was traditional law that the Canunpa was to be kept from father to son, in the ltazipcola band. Each male keeper opened the Canunpa in need of war, starvation and sickness that involves all the Sioux Nation of the Lakota, Dakota and Nakota people to see it and pray with it. Why hasn't Arvol ever opened it to our people to actually see the contents of the sacred Canunpa? When the Elk Head family members have all seen it? There has been negative propaganda against our family, who are the true, direct, lineal descendants of Elk Head, by Mr. Arvol Looking Horse and his partner, Paula Horne-Mullen, as well as his family members; which has caused media censorship against our family so we can not address Mr. Arvol Looking Horses' lies and distortions of the truth. It has also caused violent threats, violent actions/retaliations against our family members and having our personal property destroyed by his family members and followers/supporters. Examples of media censorship includes: The Native Voice newspaper, owned by Mr. Frank King and Lisa King, The Dakota Journal, owned by the Flandreau Sioux Tribe and the Lakota Country Times who are supporters of Mr. Arvol Looking Horse and who have written many supporting articles about him as the 19th Generation Keeper of the sacred Canunpa without consulting us, the Elk Head family and allowing us equal media time. We are demanding that these news medias, cease and desist in assisting Arvol Looking Horse from perpetuating the misrepresentation and fraudulent activities as a so called Keeper and spreading any more negative propaganda about our family by writing any more articles concerning our sacred Canunpa and give us equal media time to bring out the facts and truth as we are the true, direct, lineal descendants of our 9th Keeper, Elk Head.

We are asking all individuals addressed in this letter to stop using and catering to Mr. Arvol Looking Horse and addressing him as the 19th Generation Keeper of our sacred Canunpa which is assisting him in perpetuating his misrepresentation and all of his fraudulent activities. We, as the Elk Head family have designated Shirley Fiddler-granddaughter to the 9th Generation Keeper, Elk Head, to be our spokesperson and contact person in these matters. All questions and concerns should be directed to Shirley Fiddler @ 605-964-7313 who resides in Green Grass, South Dakota.

Respectfully submitted by the true, direct, lineal descendants of our grandfather Elk Head,

Dated on this day of (2nd day of June 2008)

By Googleing I found this on the page: http://www.lookingbackwoman.ca/elkheadfamily.htm
(I dont know how trustful this page is...didnt check it yet, maybe a good issue to be adressed to NAFPS)
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Marie Elk Head Fiddler is a Grand daughter of William Elk Head, This is the true original family of the Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe care takers, Marie and family are working at correcting the current misrepresentation of Arvol Looking Horse, He isn't a blood family member of the Elk Head family as testified by Marie. He doesn't possess the White Buffalo Pipe, The Looking Horse family never had it, what has occurred is nothing more than a fraud, According to reliable sources there are seven (7) modern day peace pipe in the bundle they have at his place in Green Grass,South Dakota, Marie has recently been diagnosed with a terminal illness and desires to correct history concerning the true caretakers of the Sacred Cannupa, which are her family, the true descendants of Elk Head, Arvol Looking Horse cannot produce his proof of his lineage to the Elk Head family, ARVOL LOOKING HORSE HAS BEEN INVITED TO NO LESS THAN THREE MEETINGS IN THE EAGLE BUTTE,SD AREA TO BRING HIS PAPERS AND HIS PROOF, but he never would attend. Our Group of Dedicated Lakota People have dedicated our selves to help this family correct and bring out the truth that Arvol has been fooling the world. His immediate family hasn't been portraying the spiritual family life style unless money is involved, his brother is listed on the Rapid City,S.D. Pennington County Sheriffs web site as having a outstanding warrant for fraud and false personation. Many media outlets have been openly supporting Arvol contrary to the written requests from the Elk Head family to cease and desist, to quit representing himself as keeper Marie and her family have their family records and probate records. birth certificates etc., Much of this came out after Arvol and his current woman been exposed for using their self proclaimed position to scam money for themselves and make trips around the country and world, along with the $ 3000.00 speaking tours, plus travel expenses. In this video Marie states how Arvols dad devised a phoney pipe bundle to fool AIM and other Indian People when they were going there to Green Grass,SD after Wounded Knee ll. No one has questioned it until now. And the truth is coming out, Arvol DOES NOT have the original cannupa! Arvol Looking Horse has been committing one of the greatest frauds and HOAXES of history.The Elk Head family has been trying to stop Arvol Looking Horse and his dad Stanley to no avail over the past decades, Arvol had created a celebrity status and it has been against almost overwhelming odds, plus many corrupt tribal politicians and naive supporters who didn't know any better.

Title: Re: Interview on Marie Elk Head Fiddler
Post by: Ingeborg on April 02, 2010, 06:02:25 pm


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Still I´m confused.
There is more than "only"
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a small group within the Lakota nation who, for whatever reasons, are fiercely opposed to Arvol Looking Horse

The DLN writes on its side: [snip]

The D/L/N coalition is an organization led by Alfred Boneshirt, the very same person who put up the video you mentioned in your first post. He announces he was going to get copies of whatever documents out to the world – which is not where they belong. Many persons have told Alfred Boneshirt to have the Lakota deal with the matter. This has been going on for years now – so probably the matter hasn't as yet been presented to the Lakota, or probably the Lakota don't want to deal with it - - and even this is not our business. If Mr Boneshirt prefers the internet for a stage, this is his business.

As I said before, this is for the Lakota to solve, and only for the Lakota. Whether it is a traditional way of handling things to publish statements on a website I'll leave to Alfred Boneshirt to muse upon. Who, as an aside, usually is the first person to tell others to keep out of Lakota business and STFU.

The site of the person going by the name of Looking Back Woman is not recommendable. We already have information on her at NAFPS, so e.g.:
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=604.0
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1197.0

Her name is Suzanne Dupree, she has lived on the West Coast for decades, i.e. she is not living among her people, as she should if her claims were based on facts. Dupree was promoted by a Mr John Lekay and his Hey*** Magazine which apparently is a sort of intersection between a broadly left minded audience and Nuagers; there are numerous articles about and interviews with plastics in this magazine. Lekay used to promote Dupree as the true owner of the canupa which was what she initially claimed. From the excerpt you posted, she seems to have changed her story meanwhile.

The above site also seems not to be maintained by Dupree, but for her – the intro uses the terms 'we' and 'our':
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These are the first words from Looking Back Woman that grabbed our attention [...]
    This serious claim came to our attention in an article published in a small newspaper in Canada, in 2003. At first, I discounted the claim out-of-hand for several reasons.
[...]
    Regardless, we decided to publish the article in the interest of bringing out the light of truth. [...]
    Shortly after we published the Looking Back Woman story on this Website [...]

    We sent Dupree a list of questions [...]
    We found Dupree to be candid and quick to respond, thought her answers opened up more questions than they resolved.
    We discovered that Looking Back Woman is authentic, honest [...]
Emphasis added by me

I presume this site is maintained by Mr John Lackay – pardon me: Lekay who's got his very own history with NAFPS.

The above site also happens to promote a book written by FBI agent Joseph Trimbach. "American Indian Mafia".

Browsing the site, I also noticed there are numerous photos published which were apparently taken during ceremonies - which I take is utterly inappropriate.

Title: Re: Interview on Marie Elk Head Fiddler
Post by: Moma_porcupine on April 02, 2010, 06:49:45 pm
At least as far as the comments on the looking back woman website, these accusations against Arvol Looking Horse seem unfair, as the history which includes mention of the Looking Horse family, was recorded and housed at the Smithsonian Institute and this predates both Arvol Looking Horse and AIM ...

The Smithsonian Inst. used to have a webpage with information dating back to between 1936 and 1966, I saved it before it was changed and it is uploaded in the link below to a google document.

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dcwzmv4g_0cn3th92w

Pat also uploaded a copy of the saved webpage which can be downloaded through the link below.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1286.0

Based on a letter posted by John Lekay, AKA Marlon it appears that Susanne Dupree AKA Looking Back Woman is the person who influenced the the Smithsonian institute to change the entries which recorded this history and which predates Arvol Looking Horse.

The entire letter is quoted by Marlon AKA John Lekay in the link below;

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1197.0
Posted by Marlon, quoting a letter from the Smithsonian Institute in Washinton DC
Reply #6
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Dear Ms. Dupree, Looking Back Woman,
 
Thank you for you e-mail regarding Wilbur Riegert’s photograph of Martha Bad Warrior.  (con...)
 
First I would like to say that in 1966 I was a college student, twenty years old, on my first visit to South Dakota.

(con...)

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The extract from a letter I wrote to the archivist in 1966 that is quoted in the catalog section “Local Notes,??? is an embarrassing expression of my youthful certainty:

(con...)
 
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I will ask that this be deleted from the catalog entry.

(con...)
 
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Later this spring, after our semester ends, I plan to make a trip to Washington during which I will have the opportunity to visit the National Anthropological Archives.  In the meantime, I will write to Rob Leopold and send him a revised and streamlined catalog entry, with the request that he substitute it for the old one.  Before I do so, I am attaching it below for your comments, to see if you think it is appropriate.

(con..)

The edited entry can be read in the link below;

http://siris-archives.si.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?uri=full=3100001~!92671!0

Interestingly, LBW mentioned this information, and how she could not have any way of manipulating it...
 
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1197.0
   
Dupree Pt 2
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2007

(begins...)

 
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I have proof from Vivian High Elk, (the said linage keeper) that It is not there, and has not been since before Martha's death on Oct. 25, 1936, by her own admission....

(con..)

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And for more archival information that was collected between 1964-1967, that I had no way of manipulating...go read it for yourself, and you will see with your own eyes where the deception started, and by what family.
Toksa ake wacinyakin,
LBW
One who knows her spiritual history, and will share it.

Title: Re: Interview on Marie Elk Head Fiddler
Post by: apukjij on April 03, 2010, 07:57:57 pm
i think many First Nations have this and my Mi'kmaq Nation certainly has this scenario, in that there is currently here in Mi'kmaq Country a Clan/Family that questions the legitimacy of the current Grand Chief, and who claim the Grand Chieftainship should be returned to them or their Clan, but to my People they have no legitimacy, and are quite frankly- ignored...
as moma p has pointed out, there is a a cyber trail one can follow that legitimizes Elder Arvol, and as well there is a cyber trail one can follow that is quite revealing on Elder Boneshirt as well. i think this thread should be moved to Etc, lest NAFPS is considering to conduct an investigation on the legitimacy of Arvol Looking Horse as Keeper of the Buffalo Calf Bundle, which i hope will never happen.
Title: Re: Interview on Marie Elk Head Fiddler
Post by: bls926 on April 03, 2010, 08:45:09 pm
I agree with apukjij . . . This thread needs to be moved to Etc. As Ingeborg said . . . This is a Lakota issue. These are not men we need to question or a topic we need to investigate.
Title: Re: Interview on Marie Elk Head Fiddler
Post by: Freija on April 03, 2010, 10:00:18 pm
Thank you, Ingeborg!  ;)

Please let these kind of issues stay within the Nations concerned. They will deal with them and do not
need any Internet discussions to make things worse.
Title: Re: Interview on Marie Elk Head Fiddler
Post by: MrPiz on April 04, 2010, 08:45:33 am
Thank you all so very much for your replys.
All the questions I had are more than only answered and my worrys are gone.
I never wanted to interfere in things wich are not of my business and I hope I did´nt.
I was just confused.
Confusion is gone now.  :)
Again, Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Interview on Marie Elk Head Fiddler
Post by: earthw7 on April 04, 2010, 06:13:42 pm
People have always made claims about our pipe, the pipe is not like
whitemen's rules, who inherit it, it is who it choose What I mean is there were
many descendant of Elk Head but the pipe did not go there because it was meant
to be where it is. No one can claim it. In case anyone who don't know Avrol has no
money lives in an old trailer with a rez car that breaks down all the time and feeds                             many people.
Maries is a direct descendant but so ar many others. The pipe doesnot belong to a family but to the people.
Title: Re: Interview on Marie Elk Head Fiddler
Post by: educatedindian on April 04, 2010, 07:10:28 pm
I agree with apukjij . . . This thread needs to be moved to Etc. As Ingeborg said . . . This is a Lakota issue. These are not men we need to question or a topic we need to investigate.

I merged this topic with the older one of Dupree/Looking Back Woman, under the Frauds section. It's fairly clearcut that Dupree is a fraud and an incredibly prolific and unprincipled liar who seemingly doesn't care what damage and offense she causes.

Issues with the sacred pipe are, of course, separate and should be left entirely to Lakota to decide. It's not for us to investigate and make pronouncements, way out of issues we usually investigate, though more than a few have tried to manipulate us into doing so.

I'm certainly not including you among those, MrPlz. Your request was simply for information. But the interview is pretty much based on Dupree's claims and what she is, is not really in doubt.
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: Oglala Lakota82 on February 25, 2014, 07:00:32 pm
http://jpwade.wordpress.com/tag/fools-crow/

I provided a link of Suzanne Dupree claiming she was raped by Russell Means, she is so messed up beyond psychiatry that no amount of therapy can help must have been all the LSD she took. I researched Suzanne Dupree and some folks have called her a hippie who clung to indians.
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: jpwade on September 15, 2016, 12:06:03 pm
Suzanne Dupree is the daughter of Calvin Dupree, for those who are unaware it was Mr. Calvin who Frank Fools Crow entrusted with securing his bundle in Canada, and returning it to Mr. Frank when he called for it on states side, during the days of AIM's reign of terror back in the day. That would be Mr. Calvin who was a direct participant of Fools Crow's White Buffalo Calf Woman revival sundances back in 70-74 (or there about) . That would be Suzanne who was mentored by Phil Lane Sr. (not to be confused with his Seattle Bahais Phil Lane jr. (Daybreak Star Centerr now the Seattle Native American Center which was initiated by affiliation with James Abourezk as they jointly created the indian child welfare act ICWA) , jr. who became a hereditary chief after John Denver gave him a head dress during Denver's Windstar Foundation humanitarian award.

just a few notes about LBW that none of the replies herein mention, do your homework people .... for example ....

Looking Back Woman-Suzanne Dupree blog -
https://lookingbackwoman.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/first-duprees-dupris-dupuis-in-south-dakota/

AND TO CATCH UP A BIT MORE TRY ----> Was the Truth Buried at Wounded Knee? .... https://lookingbackwoman.wordpress.com/2016/09/11/the-reality-of-the-fraudulent-pretendians-aimsters-operatives-of-the-us-government-irrefutably-exposed-hoka-hey-eh/

yes, i know Suzanne personally , and it is too bad most all porting replies here are still stuck in the dark within deception and lies, not unexpected for those who have been duped into confiding with those who think they can keep one foot in the shadows while pretending to walk in the light as per the expectations of ancestry .... Que Sera Sera.

Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: jpwade on September 15, 2016, 12:21:50 pm
Oglala Lakota82 ----> you might want to note, keep in mind who you disrespect without any personal knowledge of who you speak about :) .... you might want to do some real research by sourcing events such as that at the link below , it might be a bit much for you to comprehend and absorb , try ----> newspaper archives saved by an elder in her piano bench, forwarded to Suzanne and uploaded to the net in recent yrs .... check it out .... https://www.facebook.com/AIM-Chronicles-of-Corruption-260507264120616/ 
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: jpwade on September 15, 2016, 12:55:15 pm
 educatedindian ---> in closing , perhaps you can correlate how that below relates to some of the uninformed comments within this thread of discussion to try and discredit Truth .... whether you see it or not, the history and dynamics of that below ties directly to WHY some people continue to play the game of creating avenues for creating self-genocide .... a bit on the Dakota Pipeline today , that ties directly to yesterday of the Ohae irrigation project, that Abourezk used AIM for , along with Arvol and Leonard Crow Dog.

What's the gig here with trying to discredit LBW , her research and topics of concern to this day continues to set fear toward those who continue to push smoke and mirrors up in front of her research and voice ... of course

****
As Abourezk sits an arms length away from Obama today, people should keep in focus .... the burial grounds are under oahe lake created by the dam that AIM's puppet master James Abourezk (former senator of s. dakota) manipulated land sales on to transfer title to his team of corruption after AIM burned land and family genealogy records in the BIA building back in the day of the oahe dam's development process.

it should be noted also that syrian peddler's son Abourezk (who declares himself a Lebanese orthodox christian, what a JOKE!) during the same days also coined himself as the "Syrian Sioux" as an advocate for 1st nations with his side kick russel means after release from prison, was lobbying to create cattle trade with the arab states and cuba, that supply to come in on the heels of the completion of the irrigation project that hijacked the lands of the 1st Nations while Abourezk continued in those days to deteriorate treaty rights (water resources).

try doing your homework people to fully understand how you are being USED and ABUSED to support the Agenda's of those who do not give a flip about 1st Nations Identity and preservation of original 1st nations cultural traits and beliefs .... How does it feel to be government groomed puppets for a few sick government handlers like Abourezk and team ....

[Loooong bigoted anti Arab and anti Muslim conspiracy theory follows]

AMAZING HOW PEOPLE ALLOW THEMSELVES TO BE USED LIKE FOOLS !!!!
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: earthw7 on September 15, 2016, 01:22:33 pm
so what does this have to do with the topic??  :o

and i yes i am on the ground here on the rock
Title: Re: Suzanne Dupree, aka Looking Back Woman
Post by: educatedindian on September 15, 2016, 01:50:35 pm
educatedindian ---> in closing , perhaps you can correlate how that below relates to some of the uninformed comments within this thread of discussion to try and discredit Truth .... whether you see it or not, the history and dynamics of that below ties directly to WHY some people continue to play the game of creating avenues for creating self-genocide .... a bit on the Dakota Pipeline today , that ties directly to yesterday of the Ohae irrigation project, that Abourezk used AIM for , along with Arvol and Leonard Crow Dog.

What's the gig here with trying to discredit LBW , her research and topics of concern to this day continues to set fear toward those who continue to push smoke and mirrors up in front of her research and voice ... of course...

try doing your homework people to fully understand how you are being USED and ABUSED to support the Agenda's of those who do not give a flip about 1st Nations Identity and preservation of original 1st nations cultural traits and beliefs .... How does it feel to be government groomed puppets for a few sick government handlers like Abourezk and team ....

[Long anti Arab and anti Muslim conspiracy theory follows]

AMAZING HOW PEOPLE ALLOW THEMSELVES TO BE USED LIKE FOOLS !!!!

Yes, Wade, it truly is amazing how people like yourself allow themselves to be used in such sick and deeply bigoted and wacko conspiracy theories.

What Senator Abourzek has to do with a loony exploiter like Dupree, a hairdresser with no contact with her people claiming to b a sooper spirchul leader, is not clear to anybody but you.

Your bigotry doesn't help convince anyone, just the opposite. Same thing with completely out there theories of yours. Between you and Dupree, we really have to wonder which of you is in more need of professional help.

No more sidetracking this thread. If you have any evidence on Dupree, let's see it. If you want to spout hatred, you belong on the Stormfront message board. For wacko theories, go to Alex Jones or David Ickes boards.