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Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Sandy S:
Lenora's Ripoff pt. 3
We continue to examine Lenora Kay Spezzano's arguments in defense of Psychology of Vision as she responded to criticism of the cult in The Ripoff Report.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd/kaneohe-hawaii-96744/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd-chuck-and-lency-spezzano-scam-psycholog-1087019
Here is Lenora's next contribution--
"Seminar participants develop their own connection to grace and healing, and do not need to go through any PoV Trainer at any time to access it. Focus is always made on empowering the participants in their lives, not developing dependency on PoV Trainers. Participants do heal the pain of old emotional injuries and release it, but there is no emotional 'freaking out' in the seminars. Although there is a lot of laughter, none of it is 'hysterical.' The seminar is not like EST, except for similar guidelines about how to operate in a group setting (i.e. be on time, try not to leave the room during a session unless necessary, please do not side-talk to your neighbor - throw all jokes out to the center, etc.)."
First, as always, consulting the Psychology of Vision Trainers Manual will demonstrate how often Charles Lee Spezzano and Lenora Kay Spezzano insert themselves as intermediaries between the paying client and the source of "enlightenment." Developing dependency of POV trainers is part of the scam. Empowering people is the last thing POV is interested in. This is a for-profit corporation, not an altruistic endeavor.
http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf
Anyone who charges $1100 US an hour has no incentive for empowering people as a first priority. That person is motivated, in a very openly arrogant and egotistical manner, by the coin of the realm. It is obscene and outrageous. By charging this amount for an hour of his time Charles Lee Spezzano is worshipping mammon over God and is not walking his talk.
http://www.povevents.com/chuck-spezzano/private-coaching-chuck-spezzano/?doing_wp_cron=1386393942.3412690162658691406250
The Spezzanos are the gatekeepers you have to pay off before you can enter the esoteric realm of some artificial and fleeting state of mind they have created. They are the ticket collectors for a bizarre funhouse of their invention. The experience might make you scream and tremble and vomit and perhaps you felt a sense of release, but it was all fake. Fraud. Not real. Charles Lee Spezzano and Lenora Kay Spezzano are not included as the subjects of this forum devoted to frauds for nothing. They have earned this recognition.
People who desire emotional healing need to go to real professionals with real professional credentials who charge reasonable fees, perform responsible follow-up, are accredited by national professional organisations, and don't rely on cheap theatrics and ritual to dazzle the vulnerable and wounded. The Spezzanos fall quite short of meeting any of these requirements.
Lenora Kay Spezzano's YouTube "joining" presentations always focus on her, rather than the client, as the center of attention. We never see a solo camera shot of the customer during the "downloading"," but we have plenty of footage of Lenora's face. This reinforces the idea that a Psychology of Vision authority figure needs to be present for the spiritual transformation to happen. The YouTubes are all about Lenora, not the client. The compliant POV trainers who participated in this demonstration of Lenora's spiritual powers are there as mere props in order to amplify her greatness.
https://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos
The Spezzanos are takers, not givers. Lenora's YouTubes are so revealing. A real professional product marketing person would have advised them to give more attention in those YouTubes to why this "Joining" would be beneficial to the new recruit. The center of attention should be the satisfied customer. But instead Lenora chose to selfishly highlight her talents in the art of somnolence and comes across as a sadist and cult puppeteer. It astounds me that these videos exist for the world to see. The manipulation is so obvious and utterly destroys Lenora's above defensive remarks. POV is its own worst enemy. There is nothing here to attract any reasonable person.
The Spezzanos are fishing for vulnerable people with money who are in so much inner turmoil they are unable to use their critical thinking skills. A cruel person would call these clients suckers. I call them twice victims.
People do freak out in Lenora Kay Spezzano's "joining" sessions, and Lenora herself has provided the evidence.
Here is the most classic example. Start at 3:35--
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btxyxm1BHhY
Revisit the above link at about 7:00, watch Lenora point to her right eye, again, and observe Jordan's reaction. The remainder is very disturbing. Empowering? No. Developing dependency? Yes.
EST and POV do share the perception from the mainstream that both of them are dangerous cults. The "group setting" scenario does bring to mind one of my favorite online resources, 10 fun ways to social hack an awareness training from the inside out. I'd love to see the RCMP send an agent to a POV workshop and try out some of these helpful tips.
http://lgattruth.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/10-fun-ways-to-social-hack-an-awareness-training-from-the-inside-out/
So many lies to counter, so little time.
Part 4 is next.
Sandy S:
Lenora's Ripoff pt. 4
Lenora Kay Spezzano continues to react to criticism in her Ripoff Report response.
"There is no cult-like 'us vs. them' mentality in PoV that cuts ties with participants' family and friends. PoV is about recovering failed relationships with our family members, forgiving our parents for our childhood injuries and being accountable for what takes place in our lives. For example, we have received the feedback that First Nations communities in which the Psychology of Vision has been taught experience a cultural Renaissance; as emotional healing takes place in the families, there are not as many crises taking place in the community, and as the level of crisis in the community reduces, members have the luxury of time to learn their languages and ancient skills from the elders before they are lost."
I would agree with Lenora that the POV mentality is not "cult-like." Rather, it is just a straight-ahead "cult" without the "like."
Whenever POV looks like it might be in trouble, Charles Lee Spezzano issues a round-the-wagons "us vs. them" call for his customer base. He employs the use of fear to gather the troops. The outside world is a hostile place, but here in POV you are safe. Keep those payments coming and Pope Charles will protect you.
This sample from the January 2010 Nightlight Newsletter is pretty typical.
--- Quote ---"January 4, 2010 at 9:29am
January 2010 Nightlight Newsletter
Chuck Spezzano
It seems most of us dodged the bullet that came at us in December. Yet, now there is almost a steady stream of attack going on – vicious ego attack, astral attack, fear of change attacks, fear of loss attacks, ignorance and prejudicial attack.
Disengage yourself from anyone who is attacking because even if they are right, they are totally wrong. How one’s process shows itself in life is much more telling than what they seem to espouse. Violence except in self defense shows ego-driven behavior which only works for and brings more darkness as we approach the dawn. Have faith. The sky is lightening."
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https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=261854654609
From the November 2011 Nightlight Newsletter
--- Quote ---"How November unfolds is so tied to these last few days of October. At the level we are at now, we have succeeded in clearing major catastrophes and have started to reach a place of celebration and leaps forward in consciousness but first priority has always been to clear the danger. We have dodged a bullet in October."
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http://chuckandlencyspezzano.blogspot.com/2011/10/nightlight-newsletter-chuck-spezzano.html
From the April 2009 Nightlight Newsletter
--- Quote ---"In the last two years we have dodged a number of bullets meant to be catastrophic and one cataclysm was downgraded to a catastrophe."
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https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lovingpurelove/conversations/messages/42779
From the October 2009 Nightlight Newsletter
--- Quote ---"We dodged a bullet in September. There was enough healing and transformation so that the collective upheaval that could have occurred was more of a belch than an explosion."
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https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/IAMradio/conversations/messages/854
This is all about whipping up terror and creating an "us vs. them" mentality. The fear-based world of Charles Lee Spezzano has more bullets than a Tarantino film. I feel bad for POV followers who suddenly wake up and realize they have been had after spending so much money and energy on nothing but adding to the Spezzano and Associates Ltd. bank account. In Europe that would be the Swiss bank account.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36665#msg36665
If you go back and read the original complaint about POV in the Ripoff Report, the writer made no mention of cults, or the destruction of families. Lenora took it upon herself to introduce these topics. This tells me she must be well accustomed to hearing these charges in the past and out of habit gave Ripoff Report the standard POV talking points.
Later on in her response (which we will get to later) she makes a conjecture about her critic, "Perhaps someone recommended the seminars to a family member and it was interpreted as a correction or a judgement, for example." It would be safe to say this must be a fairly common happening in order for her to bring it up. So much for bringing families together.
Lenora's comments about the First Nations is probably the biggest fabrication in her entire rebuttal screed. Surely the Spezzanos knew APTN was going to broadcast a very revealing and damaging piece about them, and Lenora wrote this shortly before the program aired, probably as an attempt at spin control. If anything, it appears Haida Gwaii is politically and socially more dysfunctional than ever thanks in part to the Spezzanos and members of their cult. APTN portrays a society that is hardly enjoying a "cultural Renaissance."
http://aptn.ca/news/2013/11/09/couple-questions-alternative-healing-groups-activities-haida-gwaii/
A devastating report by professional journalists should be enough, but if it isn't then one does not have to look any further than this very forum to confirm the last point. Indeed, it is THE main topic of discussion on this thread. There is no need for me to elaborate.
The question is: What are the Spezzanos going to do to make amends to Haida Gwaii and be accountable for the damage they have created?
We will continue this essay with pt. 5.
Sandy S:
Lenora's Ripoff pt. 5
The next two paragraphs continue Lenora Kay Spezzano's response to a Ripoff Report complaint about business practices in the Spezzano and Associates Ltd. money machine called "Psychology of Vision"--
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd/kaneohe-hawaii-96744/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd-chuck-and-lency-spezzano-scam-psycholog-1087019
"Does the Psychology of Vision use mind-altering practices? By definition, all emotional healing practices, such as forgiveness, would alter the mind in a positive way. Healing removes psychological patterns and obstacles that limit our ability to enjoy our life and have constructive relationships. The result is relief, expansion, happiness and a greater ability to give and receive love. Do we use any form of drug in the seminars? No. Do we use hypnosis? No. Do we use violence and manipulation? No."
"PoV's joining method utilizes love as a healing tool. This love comes from the Source of love (the Creator, Allah, God, the Higher Self - however the seminar participant has chosen to define it) and is effective regardless of the cultural background or religion of the participant. The Psychology of Vision has a non-denominational spiritual framework that leverages its students on their own spiritual path. For example, Muslim students of the Psychology of Vision in Bangladesh appreciate an enhanced direct experience of Allah's love in their prayer time. Seiks in Canada use it to bring more intimacy into their relationship with Guru. Buddhist monks and nuns in Taiwan use it when they advise members of their temple."
She is being misleading at best. In this forum we have recently addressed the issues of the use of hypnosis and manipulation by Lenora, as well as the nondenominational claim. In addition, as she demonstrates over and over in her "joining" YouTubes, Lenora presents herself as the conduit between these astral forces and the client.
https://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos
It is in Lenora's next paragraph where we can move into a few new topics--
"The PoV polices itself professionally, and any complaint about a Trainer's behavior is subjected to a review process of accountability and consequences. If any of us PoV Trainers were damaging people we would have heard about it from those victims, or from witnesses of that abuse. If we were swindling people we would have heard it from them or from their families. We have never received feedback that seminars are over-priced or are not worth what people paid for them. Also, seminar participants are not pressed to bring new members to seminars, or to raise funds that benefit Trainers in any way."
Four thoughts immediately spring to mind.
First, it is true that in the Psychology of Vision Trainers Manual (p. 21-26) they describe a type of Star Chamber of discipline (with a "permanent record" file) and it reveals the very hierarchy that according to Lenora does not exist. It makes one wonder if Charles Lee Spezzano was subjected to any POV disciplinary measures when he brought shame and a lack of integrity to the organisation in 2004 when the State of Hawaii fined him for impersonating a psychologist.
http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf
http://www.kimberry.com/tipaldi/steve1.html
POV cannot have a situation where it "polices itself professionally" unless they have professionals to begin with, which they don't.
Second, POV has been aware of people who have been damaged by their practices, but in their culture of blaming the victim they simply refuse to accept responsibility. For example, it doesn't take a viewer very long to determine that many of Lenora's clients in the YouTube videos are shaking beyond control. Even some of the onlookers were in a state of tremor. But the Spezzanos apparently don't see this as a problem, as this comment from a 2003 POV forum illustrates--
--- Quote ---"- a Shaker obviously causes attention to be drawn to him or her, and ego latches on to anything like that. It can also be very distracting and even scary for people who don't know. Chuck once talked to The Shaker, and at the same time, had a conversation with the non-shaker in the same person. It was very interesting. There was a choice going on."
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http://web.archive.org/web/20050308165054/http://psychologyofvision.net/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000194.html
See? It was the shaker's fault. Not Spezzano's. It would safe to assume Charles and Lenora turned a deaf ear to all sorts of damaged people. There is a choice going on. Just like obviously Lenora also does not consider the fine Charles received in 2004 to be a form of Impostor Syndrome or a swindle of sorts. Or that one of their own POV websites, in UK, is currently advertising the upcoming visit of Charles Lee Spezzano thusly:
--- Quote ---"CHUCK SPEZZANO is one of the world’s leading psychologists and experts on relationships and personal growth therapy."
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http://www.povevents.com/?doing_wp_cron=1385780754.2252640724182128906250
The man cannot even earn an entry in Wikipedia, and by his admission to APTN he is no psychologist. During this same visit he will charge $1100 an hour for a personal consultation. This is what is known to most people as false advertising and a "swindle" I would say. His God is the Almighty Dollar.
But in terms of finding classic examples of blaming the victim, nothing can surpass the work Healing the Body Through Mind and Metaphor co-authored by Charles Lee Spezzano and Janie Patrick (later Ticehurst). In reading these it would be reasonable to conclude that the writing partnership consisted of Patrick describing the malady (given her nursing education) and Spezzano inventing the allegory. Once the mainstream world began to pay attention to this source, it evaporated from the public online world and recoiled from the light of truth as rapidly as references to Oneness University, again without explanation.
Fortunately the Spezzano/Patrick work is still available for public inspection at this link--
http://web.archive.org/web/20130915052756/http://healingkeys.com/MetaphorAtoZ.htm
Here are some choice entries. Notice that even in cases of congenital disorders the victim is still to blame. Original Sin is alive and well in these little horrifying Spezzano/Patrick "factoids." The very first example serves as a perfect premise, but many others are given to supply you with a feel for just how sensitive and caring Charles Lee Spezzano really can be--
--- Quote ---Birth Defects
A birth defect is an abnormality that is present at birth.
It represents unfinished business from ancestral patterns and/or a past life metaphor. We are being called to heal this soul level issue.
The area of the body affected can give us more information about the metaphoric meaning of this symptom.
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--- Quote ---Down's Syndrome
Down’s syndrome is a congenital abnormality (one that is present at birth). It is the result of having an extra chromosome in our genetic make-up, usually number 21 or 22.
Down’s causes moderate to severe mental retardation, oriental appearance of eyes, flat nose or absent bridge of nose, a single palmer [sic] crease on a short broad hand and a dwarfed body.
If we have Down’s syndrome, it means that we have come to learn some lessons at a soul level. We are here to seek soul fulfillment and the completion of a cycle, yet we are stuck in the transition between the old level and the new.
The two main soul lessons of Down’s syndrome are correcting over-willfulness and giving up the ego’s plan in exchange for heaven’s plan.
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Oriental?!?
--- Quote ---Parkinson's Disease
Parkinson’s disease is a nerve disorder characterized by a slowly spreading tremor.
It shows that we are caught in an unconscious fear about accomplishing our soul purpose or promise.
This unconscious, or soul level, issue has us "shaking in our boots."
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--- Quote ---Muscular Dystrophy
Muscular Dystrophy is characterized by the wasting away and atrophy of muscles.
It is believed to be a genetic defect in muscle metabolism that can be inherited from one generation to the next. Typically symptoms show up early in life, and it is more common in males than females.
Having Muscular Dystrophy indicates the existence of an ancestral issue that has left us weak, debilitated and afraid (paralysis).
A guilt issue has become a family script and now there is a level of self-attack.
Somewhere in the past generations of our family, there is a belief that being strong, powerful or cruel, caused damage, and therefore we are afraid to have strength now.
Muscular Dystrophy is a compensation to cover over and make up for this issue.
We are being called upon to let our weakness be heaven’s strength.
This inspires us to let heaven be in charge so that we know our power and strength will be used with the highest integrity.
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--- Quote ---Meningitis
Meningitis is the inflammation of the membranes covering the brain and spinal cord.
It represents where we are disillusioned about something that we consider central to our life, which has led to anger, disappointment and death temptation.
Meningitis can point to a surfacing core memory where we felt unsafe and unprotected. Our conflict comes from feeling emotionally attacked in such a way that it steals our courage and makes us fearful.
It can stem from feelings of unrequited love or from not getting what we were trying to get. This can happen in spite of having acted in the correct, prescribed way to get it.
We feel a frustration or anger from not getting what we want. Our conflicts stem from an unwillingness to move on.
While every illness has a relationship component, this one may place emphasis more on our purpose, career or "doing" side.
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--- Quote ---Glaucoma
Glaucoma is a disease of the eye, resulting from a pressure build up within it. This pressure can eventually lead to optic nerve atrophy and blindness.
The predilection for this disease is inherited ancestrally. It is representative of an emotional pressure, or a place where a part of us (a self) is suspended in emotional trauma.
We are pushing ourselves to do something, but can’t see a way to do it and go forward.
Blindness eventually ensues because there is something we don’t want to see. At some level we are adamant or stubborn about something.
We are reluctant to recognize our responsibility and the need to change, find the way forward or lead. Instead, we give ourselves away emotionally until we reach a point of feeling stressed and overwhelmed.
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--- Quote ---Prostate Gland
The prostate gland secretes fluid, which becomes part of the semen.
The prostate gland represents issues involving sexuality and masculinity.
Problems with the prostate indicate a level of sexual guilt and an interruption to our natural flow or creativity and emotional processes.
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--- Quote ---Gall Bladder
The gall bladder is a pear-shaped sac on the under-surface of the right lobe of the liver. Part of its function is to provide gastric juices to the digestive process to help break food down for assimilation.
Problems with the gall bladder indicate that feelings of anger and bitterness have become overwhelming and that we are judging what is going on.
We feel attacked and bitter about something and/or someone’s bold effrontery (gall).
We are projecting arrogance from a shadow figure, a part of ourselves that we have fractured off as an unbearable belief about our self.
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--- Quote ---Fibrocystic Breast Disease
Fibrocystic breast disease is characterized by single or multiple benign tumors of the breast, showing that we have cut off an element of nurturing.
While we push to move forward, we are holding on to something unresolved from the past. Part of our life’s purpose is nurturing those around us, but because we didn’t feel nurtured ourselves, we carry a grievance.
This grievance-judgment hides our own guilt, which in turn hides our soul level gift of nurturing. Instead of embracing the act of true giving, we have either adopted a role, or we have withdrawn from the gift of nurturing altogether.
This gift was meant to nurture the very parent we have a grievance with for not nurturing us. All of this is a conspiracy that has to do with giving nurturance.
We see it as too big a challenge for us, because we perceive the need around us as too great.
But, like any purpose, heaven does it through us; we don’t accomplish it alone. So we could receive heaven’s nurturing for those around us.
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--- Quote ---Fibroids Uterine
Uterine fibroids are fibrous, encapsulated, connective tissue. Found in the uterus, these benign tumors vary in size from a few millimeters to the size of the abdominal cavity.
They demonstrate that we are rooted in the past with some grievance under a buried level of guilt. We have a desire for birth, but are afraid to let go of the past and give what it takes to make a leap forward.
Our desire for birth goes only as far as the desire. The fibroids depict our unwillingness and blockage to nurturing and truly birthing ourselves.
This block stems from a place where we are giving and not receiving.
We may be caught in the mothering role of taking care of the whole family. We are using the role and our family as an excuse to not move forward and live our life in such a way that would encourage and support them the most.
We are being called for commitment to the birth of self, which would generate ease.
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The following disease description is particularly cruel given the fact diarrhea is a major killer of children in the world amnd in areas of great poverty. But Charles Lee Spezzano probably thought this was pretty witty.
--- Quote ---Diarrhea
Diarrhea is the frequent passage of abnormally watery bowel movements.
This symptom comes from the feeling that we "don’t have our shit together" about some issue or area in our life. There are feelings of loss of control and courage or feeling unprepared and disorganized.
Diarrhea reflects a fear of the next step because we have not yet handled this particular area of our life. We are "running" for it.
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Lenora worked with the deaf earlier in her career. That makes the following entry twice as insensitive--
--- Quote ---Deafness
Deafness is a complete or partial lack of the ability to hear.
It signifies that there is something that we don’t want to hear either about relationship (left ear), or career (right ear).
We have a fear of our purpose, and there is something that we are refusing to learn. There is an area where we have cut ourselves off, which is holding us back from joining the dance of life.
Because we want to do things our way, there is something we don’t want to hear from others or from within. Deafness means we have some stubbornness and unwillingness to listen and communicate.
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--- Quote ---Diabetes Mellitus
Diabetes mellitus is an impairment of the body’s utilization of sugar.
Sugar is used in several languages to describe sweetness and love. Metaphoric statements and "pet names" such as "Give me some sugar," "Honey," "Sweetness" and "Sugar love" are abundantly used in the English language with those we feel close to.
The problem with diabetes is not that there is not enough sugar available; it is that the body is not able to metabolize it normally.
Emotionally, there is a hidden fear of sweetness and intimacy. Just as the body can’t completely transform the sugar into a usable form, we may have love in our life, but somehow we are not able to receive or experience it fully.
We might be in a loving, nurturing relationship or be the member of a very loving family, yet we are simply unable or unwilling to feel the love at a deep level.
The problem, therefore, is that we have a block to receiving nurturing and love. This is often an ancestral issue passed on inter-generationally.
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--- Quote ---Cystic Fibrosis
This is a disease of the exocrine glands (i.e. glands that secrete externally).
Cystic Fibrosis is an inherited disease, which usually begins in infancy and is rooted in unresolved pain. It affects the pancreas, respiratory system and sweat glands.
Problems caused by this disease include chronic respiratory infections, heat intolerance and pancreatic insufficiency.
Cystic Fibrosis indicates that there is some kind of self-deception going on. Metaphorically, an ancestral ‘big hairy spider’ is weaving a web of deception around us as a result of repressed sibling Oedipal patterns, usually involving a "cyst-er" (sister).
We are unable to "secrete" the pain due to some deep issue from the past in our family. This may be hidden by sexual guilt and revulsion, which are compensations for the attraction.
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--- Quote ---Constipation
If we are constipated, then we are having difficulty with our bowel movements, due to the passage of hard and dry fecal material and sluggish action of the bowels.
Constipation shows us that we are holding on to the past. We are holding on to our "shit" (emotional detritus), with a conflict between the need to let go and the refusal to let go.
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To truly appreciate the following you need to find a recent photograph of Charles Lee Spezzano--
--- Quote ---Obesity
Obesity is a state of being abnormally fat and is one of the ways in which we hide our true self, true power, purpose and sexuality.
We are caught in major patterns of indulgence and sacrifice; we are substituting food for love, bonding and creativity.
We have deep feelings of insecurity and are trying to fill up our unconscious, hidden feelings of desolation, misery and desperation.
Our obesity is an attempt to create padding to protect us from the shocks and downfalls of life.
Overeating is a way to tranquilize our emotional pain and fear. There may be a massive compensation for feelings of failure.
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--- Quote ---Alzheimer's Disease
Alzheimer’s disease is a form of dementia, involving the loss of memory, speech and physical ability that is accompanied by the deterioration of intellectual function and disorientation.
This is the result of a lifetime of unprocessed emotion and shattered dreams, combined with a loss of hope that comes from our feeling that time is running out.
From shattered dreams we derive the feeling of missed opportunities; not living up to our potential, disappointment in ourselves, the desire to return to a better past, unwillingness to deal with the present, regression from purpose and from life, and retreat into the past.
There is a great desire for us to forget and so we live in the past, no longer feeling strong enough to deal with the present, which has only been disappointing.
Suffering from Alzheimer’s means that we have a lot of experiences that we have not understood or processed emotionally.
Suffering from broken dreams, and having been overwhelmed with life’s losses and disillusionments, we withdraw into ourselves and into our own world.
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--- Quote ---AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome)
This disease means our body has lost its ability to fight off infection. Infection by the HIV virus has caused serious damage to our immune system.
Normally our immune systems produce antibodies to fight off foreign agents but, because we have a poorly functioning immune system, "opportunistic infections" take advantage and infect the body.
The development of this syndrome is the result of immense self-attack and self-judgment. We have judgment on society, which we feel is judging or attacking us in return. We feel that we have no defenses against attack.
At some level, we experience an inability to receive or give help. We are caught in a trap of indulgence, martyrdom or rebellion, rather than leadership.
The martyrdom takes the form of not receiving help and at the same time criticizing parents, family and society’s ability to give.
Yet, we are ignoring our vocation, refusing to heed the call to giving, to leadership, purpose, vision and not allowing ourselves to have all the help and comfort we crave.
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In the YouTube Can AIDS Be Healed, Charles Lee Spezzano expands on this topic and also claims he has worked in cases where AIDS and cancer have been cured.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlx4hkT8OTc
It was the Spezzano and Patrick entry on cancer that probably brought the most unwanted attention from the POV standpoint--
--- Quote ---Cancer
Cancer involves the transformation of healthy functioning cells into malignant, or harmful, cells. The altered cells transfer faulty information to their offspring, and the cancerous cells grow in an abnormal and destructive way.
Cancer is the embodiment of self-directed anger. It reflects a place of guilt and self-attack.
A traumatic situation with a significant other will have taken place between six and eighteen months before the onset of the cancer.
At some level, it is an attack on another through self-harm. It highlights that we have a need to give that has gone wild, or is completely misplaced, in addition to a fear of our purpose.
Cancer reflects a fear of the next chapter in our life and a fear of major or radical change for the better.
Tumors encapsulate our repressed anger, malice and conflicting, hidden belief systems.
We are trying to shelter our pain or disappointment and are attempting to hold back negative self-beliefs and evil self-concepts. These mistaken beliefs and self-concepts stem from unresolved emotional fractures and broken hearts.
We can get more information about our particular cancer by cross-referencing the information in this section with the body part affected.
For example, if we have cancer of the stomach then we know that our anger is also about our ability to accept, integrate, receive and be nurtured. It may also reflect aspects of introjection, (swallowing others emotional pain).
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The late Morty the Dog shared the Spezzano and Patrick description of cancer with the American Cancer Society, who filed the following response--
--- Quote ---Dear Steve,
Thank you for sharing your important concerns with your American Cancer Society. As you may know, researchers have done many studies to see if there is a link between personality, stress, and cancer. No scientific evidence has shown that a person’s personality or outlook can affect their cancer risk. This information can be found at the link below:
> Questions People Ask About Cancer:
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancerbasics/questions-people-ask-about-cancer
The Society often reaches out to organizations when we see something we think is not right, not fair, or not productive to the fight against cancer; however, we cannot do this in every case. That's why we rely on people like you, our supporters, to help us.
Your words can mean more than you might think. As a volunteer organization, we know well the power of the public to change the course of cancer. Therefore, we encourage you to personally contact those who give platforms to Chuck Spezzano and others when you want to express your opinion. Together, we can make a difference.
Thank you again for helping your American Cancer Society to create a world with less cancer and more birthdays.
Sarah
Online Cancer Information Specialist
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Attachments provided. Collected by Sandy S.
Rather than defend their dogma, it appears the Ticehurst website censored all Spezzano references and even deleted one of Charles Lee Spezzano's YouTube videos on "Self-Health." According to Psiram, the Spezzano and Patrick/Ticehurst "Healing" information is currently available only by invitation.
http://www.psiram.com/en/index.php/Psychology_of_Vision#Healing_Keys
One former trainer, who on the whole still praised the Spezzanos, wrote to me and observed this Spezzano/Patrick aspect of Psychology of Vision was showcasing the corporation at its money-grubbing worst and admitted it was an Achilles Heel of the organisation. He dismissed it as a sideshow, which is a typical POV rationalisation. In my view, much like the allegiance to Oneness University, this other deleted portion of POV history is part of the central core of their philosophy. POV is becoming a dwelling where the builders are knocking down the foundations. Sooner or later the whole thing is going to fall down.
Third point-- the overpriced aspect of POV. In this regard Lenora could be correct in terms of the naive and manipulated cult followers not willing to complain directly to POV. But it is not hard to find such complaints even from POV adherents when one surfs through the Web in a critical manner. I think Brian Lynchehaun, who was on to the POV confidence trickster game ahead of the curve, addresses Lenora's rationalisation quite well when he brings up the behaviour of "buyer's remorse"--
--- Quote ---"So it’s important to note the financial commitment that the participants have made here: they are predisposed to accept most anything that Lency does as ‘correct’ and/or ‘appropriate’. A rejection of what she does would lead to buyers remorse, a state we all try to avoid wherever possible."
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http://brilyn.net/taking-advantage-of-seeking-a-better-life/
Well said. It has been suggested by critical thinker humanists who want to save cult victims that if POV followers add up how much of their financial resources have been spent on following the Habitrails the corporation requires for loyalty, including taking into account the non-subsidised travel, food, and lodging and then take an inventory of how much your POV involvement has cost in terms of family/friends connection and whatever cultural connections you had in defining your most precious and primal inner self-- the result might be enlightening. True enlightenment, based in the real world.
My impression of the POV trainers is that they are not stupid people (well, most of them), but have been spiritually and emotionally damaged to a point of desperation where the mainstream system has failed them and they are reduced to detouring down a dead-end street called "Psychology of Vision" which is run by a couple of back-alley confidence tricksters.
In most organisations, the higher you rise, the more power you acquire. But not in Psychology of Vision. Instead, the higher you rise, the more money Charles Lee and Lenora Kay Spezzano can extract from you. One look at the "trainer fee" schedule in the POV Trainers Manual (p. 11) will confirm that. And they remain the top two most powerful people and always will no matter what since they are the President and Vice-President of Spezzano and Associates Ltd., the company that owns POV.
The Spezzanos like to cite the overhead of their operations when defending their outrageous fees. I would counter that you can find someone locally who, unlike the Spezzanos, has an academic degree recognized by the APA and can provide you with better help and follow up at a much more reasonable and less greedy rate.
Some POV trainers have spent enough money on Charles Lee and Lenora Kay Spezzano that if they had invested the same amount in a legitimate professional academic degree they might have had a real future in the field of psychology by now. Instead they have wasted all those dollars and energy on a confidence game and emerged with nothing more than a worthless set of credentials that are meaningless in the real world. They've been had. POV is not Harvard. It isn't even a GED degree. It is nothing. No one outside of the tiny esoteric POV snowglobe respects or recognizes these credentials.
Finally, Lenora's claim that "Also, seminar participants are not pressed to bring new members to seminars, or to raise funds that benefit Trainers in any way" has been pretty well destroyed by our own Ingeborg's research into how the "First Nations Fund" works. Read posts # 144-147 on this forum:
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36665#msg36665
The most authoritative primary source on how the First Nations Fund scam (and the POV Swiss bank account) worked was the German version of the POV Trainers Manual. But, surprise, surprise, this site was removed after Ingeborg exposed the inconvenient truths contained within it right here on this forum. Typical POV response. This joins the Oneness University and Healing Metaphors in terms of Soviet style purges. Censored with no recognition or taking responsibility that it ever existed. This seems a bit hypocritical for an organisation that claims it will help clients face their personal demons of denial.
Here's the link tnat will lead you to nowhere, a fitting allegory for POV--
http://www.pov-int.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2013-dt-Trainerhandbuch.pdf
So much for "transparency," or "cutting edge," or "paradigm shifts." Same old practices expected as usual from a multinational corporation. Covering up and lying while victimising gullible people in order to enlarge the bank account.
Not that we need any more, but we continue this series of examining the Ripoff Report rebuttal of Lenora Kay Spezzano in the next installment, part 6.
Sandy S:
Lenora's Ripoff pt. 6
Here are the concluding three paragraphs of Lenora Kay Spezzano's rebuttal to a consumer complaint in Ripoff Report. In this final installment of my essay, Lenora makes an attempt to identify the motives of her critic--
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Psychology-of-Vision-Spezzano-and-Associates-Ltd/KANEOHE-Hawaii-96744/Psychology-of-Vision-Spezzano-and-Associates-Ltd-Chuck-and-Lency-Spezzano-scam-psycholog-1087019#comment_1
"For the Psychology of Vision to have drawn such attack, it is likely that two elements are involved regarding the attacker. The first is that the person has a fear of feeling their suppressed or repressed emotions - they are not on a healing path themselves, and feel threatened that other people might expect them to face their emotional issues. Therefore, the Psychology of Vision becomes a frightening thing. The second element is that the Psychology of Vision has become ammunition for a fight the person is already in. Perhaps someone recommended the seminars to a family member and it was interpreted as a correction or a judgement, for example. When that fear is the filter of perception of us, there is little that could be said that would allow us to be seen as well intentioned and beneficial. At the same time, it is clear that the writer of the report has a different agenda - a personal reason for attacking us and attempting to destroy our reputation. He is not someone who is just speaking up to protect innocent consumers. He has never been to a Psychology of Vision training, and has no training in psychology."
"It appears that the fellow also went to all of the Youtube videos we and others have uploaded and posted on each of them the accusation that we are cons running a scam. As if money could be the only motivation for doing what we do? All the seminars that Chuck and I have taught in First Nations communities were ones we donated - often twice a year. It is the opposite of draining communities. So far, no one is getting rich off this work. :) Perhaps the author of the attack does not have an understanding of the overhead involved in promoting events internationally. We require a full time staff of 5 at our home base, for example, and more help during our heaviest months. It is also obvious that the author of the attack has not studied psychology."
"As I mentioned, we are an association of 52 Psychology of Vision Trainers around the world. Our international website is http://www.psychologyofvision.com, and Chuck's and my personal site is http://www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com. The Youtube videos referred to in the report are examples of one exercise - a 'download' - experiencing oneness with another as a way of opening our minds to receiving grace. While the videos do not show the primary form of work that I do, they are a taste of the work. Here is one example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fds1BgICdBY."
Now for some disclosure here. I know the identity of Lenora's critic. If Lenora's above stabs in the dark are an indication of her occupational deductive or intuitive ability then I'd say she does not know very much about psychology. The first time I read this I had a long laugh. She is so off the mark on almost every point. Before you ask, no, I am not the writer of that original criticism.
Lenora is correct when she says "As if money could be the only motivation for doing what we do?" Although money is the chief motivation, we cannot discount the motivation of power and the ego-boost of heading a cult. As the YouTubes demonstrate, there is some sort of sadistic game taking place here.
As stated before, her misleading comments on donating to First Nations were addressed by Ingeborg on this forum. As it happens POV has deleted the German POV Trainers Manual from the online world, but fortunately we can provide part of the transcript here.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36673#msg36673
It does indeed seem no one is getting rich from POV-- except the Spezzanos. I hope Revenue Canada and the US IRS and the Hawaii Department of Taxation are following this discussion. Particularly the information from the now deleted German POV Trainers Manual about that Swiss bank account--
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36665#msg36665
The figure given of 52 POV trainers is considerably less than the 70+ mentioned in years past. There are more than a few ex-POV trainers and spiritual healing colleagues out there who are not entirely smitten by Charles and Lenora.
I find it fascinating Lenora went out of her way to highlight one of the most damaging and self-incriminating YouTubes on the eve of the APTN exposé. This is the one where she places Babs Stevens under what appears to be hypnosis, making her client virtually comatose by the end of the presentation, and then Lenora presents herself as Melissa Meyer's surrogate mother. This is a creepier than usual "download" and APTN made use of it in their investigative piece.
In conclusion, Lenora Kay Spezzano failed to make her case and did an inadequate job defending the charge that POV is anything more than a scam and ripoff. The original critique stands.
Sturmboe:
POV is a cult or a religious organisation? Those authorized experts who can explore the different organisations, can they classify POV in a category as cult or religious organisation or something else? I got no experiences and I knew too few about POV to classify.
But I try to envision to myself which results can develope from POV´s way and there are just very few aspects based on a part of the following letter https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=261854654609. Just few, there is a lot coming up in my mind when I try to understand what is behind, and this is my way to see.
From the letter (in italic)
1. "Violence except in self defense shows ego-driven behavior which only works for and brings more darkness as we approach the dawn."
2. "On the other hand, never let anyone victimize you. It hurts you and increases both of your guilt."
"Disengage yourself from anyone who is attacking because even if they are right, they are totally wrong. How one’s process shows itself in life is much more telling than what they seem to espouse. "
> 1. What do POV understand about "Violence"? I think POV differentiate between physical and psychological aspects, but what is violence, what is it not?
Some emotions are a kind of violence, and everybody got his different emotions: Pleasure, mourning, grief, anger, etc. they due in a context to its causations and excited reactions - and this a part of conversation and exchange between people - should be.
Negative emotions are a kind of violence, they hurt, its causations hurt, the excited emotions hurt, hurt myself and other, maybe. The pain shows there is something going wrong, I want other to know and understand this, I don´t want this any longer, they should stop this. There is no place for a smile in me. And this brings more darkness to me? Yes, this is ok. Or is this wrong, do I got no right to say what is not ok? It doesn´t mean I addict to a constant hate or pain.
> 2. What should I do now with my bad emotions? I don´t disengage myself, I make something clear, I do not want to tear someone in pieces.
I am guilty for my bad feelings of my bad emotions. Without being guilty I cannot explain honestly to other people what happens to me with their behaviour, I cannot clear the context. If I disengage, how could I reach the other one and ask him to stop this hurt? How could I expect this person will understand me? How could I understand someone whom I have hurt? Could I stop my harming behaviour without facing what I have done and do? Impossible. If I really try to find out what all this really means to my inner, I must confrontate and reflect this. There are the causations, my reactions, my emotions, well this process tells more than words just can do. Well, they belong together. Negative emotions left a bad feeling inside, they don´t feel well, fine or happy. Their task is to identify, to understand, comprehend that there is or was a situation which was bad, it must be stopped. And I don´t smile when I am angry or sad, I don´t laugh and turn my pain into lies. And I don´t misuse other energy.
For some people to feel the pain of bad emotions is important to understand those bad liveevents they have been undergoing, they were terrible, hurting, fearing, false ... and often they learn they are not guilty. (for e.g. abuse, see later).
I know people who disengage - dissociating - their emotions and reactions away from the causations, they got no connection to their inner, they are mentally ill and a lot of them suffer from this way of life. Sometimes the causations, emotions and reactions don´t belong together, they are acting in a muster and cannot stop this at all. Do POV force this way of dissociation?
People with these kinds of mental desease learn to reflect and confrontate their life, to understand what happened, and then they can change something on their own. This is a hard way to walk to face the facts, maybe integrate ... and look for a good way to live. It is not easy in practice, not successful at every time. Sometimes it is easy towalk, sometimes it seems impossible. This is one part of a psychotherapy, POV do not touch this part.
"Even in situations where you are totally overwhelmed by another’s attack, you can use that energy that comes against you to lift you up into higher consciousness."
What do POV tell me? I use the other one´s energy to fight him back to deliver the guilt, just then I am not guilty anymore. I need to abuse negative emotions to fight against other people, who harmed POV or me in reality or in suggestions? And its causations? This is a terrible feeling to behave in this way. And I must be blinded not to comprehend what I do to other people (critics; ...), blinded fore the harm, suffer, tears, I will be guilty. There is no excuse in delivering guilt. This is not the way I want to live. But this seems the way POV want from their people?
In a higher consciousness it is easy to lose the sight and contact to life. This higher consciousness is too far away from living, there is no nearness and no place for reflection.
Could POV ever understand, comprehend the processes of other way of thinking, emotions, reactions, is there even a place for it?
Or better put this in honest words: This must not be a part of a successful aim in their "therapy", it would be counterproductive for the results. Results? "To forgive" To forgive whom and what? Who is part of the world?
"The key is to value peace, which shows how much you value yourself and to employ forgiveness when you are not peaceful to bring you peace. It is our purpose to forgive the world. It is what we came for. This shows that we do not value smallness, nor consider ourselves small but recognize our greatness and equally that of others as children of Light, though some may have lost their way. Peace is the gateway to true greatness, rather than the exaggeration of the ego. Peace generates love, abundance and happiness. What is in our mind, even the most hidden bits, are displayed in the world around us, so to forgive is to forgive ourselves for the hidden negativity within us."
Peace is not something I can get or buy, I must work for it, and a higher place to reach is not my kind, not in this way I got to see this in a forced connection with forgiveness.
Do POV understand, there are lifeevents of people who don´t want to feel peace for it, that there is no place to forgive? Noone should tell me whom I have to forgive, whom not. This is always my individual decision. POV tell me if I forgive other who hurt me, I don´t forgive myself; but this is a cruel correlation, a lie.
What does it mean to violated victims: If victims forgive their tormentors, they forgive themself (victims)? This is a cruel emotional blackmail and maybe they will clutch at these straws to disappear from the pain, they don´t want to live with it.
Those tormentors who hurt other, abuse, misuse, hit, afflict, crucify ... do POV forgive them? Do POV really imply the victims they should forgive their tormentors to forgive themself? Have they (POV) ever felt on their own, what they force the victims who are been hurt to do? If the victims are not successful to forgive, maybe they feel guilty, feel guilty as the tormentor told the victim again and again and again: "You are guilty for what you have deserved." The tormentor justify his violation of the raped woman. Cruel!
There are people who don´t want to feel peace or forgiveness. Are the victims wrong? I saw the documentary "Höllenleben" at youtube and the woman was asked, if they can forgive their mother. No, they cannot. And the woman, all these people of this group in this woman, they all got the right to say this. (Höllenleben is a documantary about a woman with DID who survived satanic abuse, the documantary is hard)
I know about people who where hurt very hard through their lifeevents, they got the right to say "I am so angry and I don´t forgive." Who got the right to tell them they must forgive?
All this does not mean, these people stay in bad emotions for all the time. But to feel the pain shows them very true that something was very wrong.
Certainley they look for peace and a good way to live, but they chose on their own. This is a great difference. And maybe some of them can forgive teir offender, maybe, maybe not.
To forgive this is no the right of POV, and this not therapy what POV is doing.
I don´t think, POV wants to walk this cruel way, but how often they do it? Do POV know something about psychology? I can not say, but I could imagine yes. How deep is their understanding and knowledge and what do they misconstrue I cannot say.
I fear, in this special way POV works, there can never be conversation and understanding, there is never a deep listening. For POV it seems easily to pervert or lose some facts, embedded in some true facts - a cruel mix losing its real meaning. And they don´t have a close look what they cause by their work. Truth and understanding is not what POV is looking for.
In their work they I see, that they have got and work for a therapeutic aim in mind. There is a beginning, a reason to start their therapy. But what they don´t do: They don´t let the people walk their own path with an individual aim of therapy, they cannot find their needs, cannot reflect themselves. There is no way to walk, this "mid" way, is it lost, forgotten, misused?
And what is about the end of the therapy, its results, are they dissolved and cleared? It doesn´t seem to me, maybe that's also not what POV wish, they want dependency, no freedom, no own decisions. But responsibility is everybody his own thing. POV is not responsible because everybody chose on its own to follow POV, no matter how free is somebody to be able to chose.
You cannot deliver responsibility, even POV cannot do this. But in this case, what is responsibility?
This is just few I understand from the little of their work POV offer, if they would offer more, I don´t know what results are coming up. Maybe POV will fear the answers of critics and experts.
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