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RESOLVED, NO LONGER A MATTER OF CONCERN: Chief Ardy & the 3 Thumbs First Nation
Moma_porcupine:
I see someone posting under the name Clan mother in a thread concerning protection of Mi'kmaq burial grounds and the return of indigenous remains to their people and homelands .
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2435.0
( info found in this thread will be refered to as source #1 below)
This person is signing their posts with
--- Quote ---Chief Ardy Born With 3 Thumbs
Alkonquian Mi'kmaq Clan Mother
Sissiboo, Kespoogwitunak, Mi'kma'ki
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I was curious about who this person is and what i found through google searches was a bit confusing...
Is there more than one Chief Ardy Born With 3 Thumbs?
This obituary I found says Chief Ardy is or was named Carl - which is not a name i would expect a clan mother to have ... Carl Trask is also said to be a son.
http://ngb.chebucto.org/Newspaper-Obits/halifax-herald-2003-dec.shtml
--- Quote ---TRASK, Charles Walter
Tuesday, December 30, 2003 The Halifax Herald Limited
TRASK, Charles Walter - 76, Bridgetown, formerly of Middleton, passed on peacefully into the Spirit World, Sunday, December 28, 2003, in Soldiers Memorial Hospital, Middleton. Born in Grand Falls, NL, November 8, 1927, he was a son of the late Charles (Baker) Trask (Elliston, NL) and Amelia Ann (Pelley) Trask (Exploits Island, NL). Educated in Grand Falls, Charlie retired to Middleton in 1976 after a successful business career in Newfoundland and Labrador. Charlie had been a resident of Mountain Lea Lodge, Bridgetown, for the past two years. He served with the Royal Newfoundland Engineers Infantry Division during the Korean War. He also served on various organizations in Newfoundland and was a life member of the Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks, a member of the Royal Canadian Legion and a lifelong, devoted member of the Liberal Party of Canada.
Charlie shall be remembered for not only sharing with his people, but for his love for animals as well. He is survived by his former wife, Mary Francis Goodyear, Newfoundland; sons, Christopher Paul, Margaretsville; Carl Peter (Chief Ardy born with 3 thumbs), Sissiboo, Digby Co.; Charles Jr., Oshawa, Ont.; daughter, Constance Patricia, Nova Scotia; brother, William Trask, Cannings Cove, NL; sister, Edna Bradley, Jamaica and Florida; sister-in-law, Loretta Trask, Grand Falls, NL; Marie (Melvin) Ploughman, Windsor, NL; grandchildren, Bronwen, Carmen, Carson, Kelina Megan, Zachary, Harold, Jared, Samantha and Max Trask; nephew, Roy Trask, Toronto; also loyal friend and colleague, Floyd Benjamin, Lawrencetown. Charlie was predeceased by son, Craig Patrick; brothers, Heber and Ralph; sister, Gertrude Hawley. No flowers as per Charlie's request. Donations to the Micmac Benevolent Society, P.O. Box 1738, Truro, NS, B2N 5Z5. Cremation has taken place. Private memorial will be held in memory of the man who got things done, for Charlie will be remembered as the "chief of all chiefs!" as he provided generously for his people. On-line condolences to: roopfh@ns.sympatico.ca
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The above obituary also seems to say , Chief Ardy born with 3 thumbs's Mom is or was Mary Francis Goodyear, of Newfoundland.
In the statement in Reply #17 from source #1 ,Clan Mother who seems to be claiming to be Chief Ardy, says her mother's name is Ivy Landry maiden named Ivy Toney.
Clanmother reply 17 source #1
--- Quote ---The picture displays, from left to right, my daughter - Bronwen 1986, Ardy 1951, my Mother - Ivy Landry nee Toney 1924
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Clanmother reply 17 source #1
--- Quote ---My Mother's father was Joe Toney
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But in the genealogical query below, someone named Ardy , of Sissiboo with the email 3 thumbs says their grandmother was Mildred J Laundry of NS and their maiden name was Holden not Toney.
http://www.yarmouth.org/s-book99.htm
--- Quote ---Date: 12/10/2005
Name: Ardy
Location: Sissiboo, Weymouth NS
E-Mail: 3.thumbs@ns.sympatico.ca
Comments: I like your website. Very nice. Am looking for information about my Grandmother, Mildred J. Landry born in Yarmouth Married Daniel Landry also known as Danny. Mildred was a Holden before she married. She had a brother Barney Holden. Anyone having any information, please contact me.
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This is a bit confusing...
If Ardy's mother is Ivy Landry and Ivy's mother was Mildred Holden who married Danny Laundry, Ardy's mother's maiden name would be Laundry not Toney.
If Milderd Holden and Danny Landry were Ardy's grandparents on her father's side, then her fathers surname name would be Landry, not Trask, meaning Clan mother's family appears to be a different family than the Chief Ardy born with Three Thumbs , mentioned in the obituary as being the son of Charles Trask.
I also found this
http://mytwobeadsworth.com/Heros2.html
--- Quote ---ARDY BORN WITH 3 THUMBS - Hereditary Mi'kmaq Chief
A true Mi'kmaq woman, Ardy was born in 1951 at Mi'kma'ki
to a Metis and a Mi'kmaq woman. Displaced by the Indian Act, Ardy has seen her Mother and Grandmother pushed off of their land.
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(con...)
--- Quote ---Ardy stems from a bloodline of Hereditary Chiefs and asserted her right to Chieftaincy in the late 1900 s when she could not attain respect and assistance from the Indian Act Chiefs.
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and doing a search on the email used to place the genealogical query brings up this
--- Quote ---3.thumbs @ ns.sympatico.ca. 3 Thumbs First Nation is located in the Heart of Annapolis Valley. We specialize in Tipi covers, traditional Mi'kmaq creations ...
www.encana.com/operations/offshore/deeppanuke/pdfs/.../p006629.pdf
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I am a bit confused about who these people are?
Who are the hereditary Chiefs Ardy is said to descend from ?
I see where Charles Trask is reffered to as a Chief, and as associated with the Mi'kmaq people.... If he served as a hereditary Chief, where were his people located geographically?
Clan Mother , could you explain a bit about the history of this Born with three Thumbs First Nation?
What people do you serve as Chief, and how did you recieve this title?
I'm also a bit confused about who you are ... What I found doing google seaches doesn't seem to fit together at all .
Was Charles Trask your father?
How could your grandfathers be named both Danny Landry and Joe Toney, if your father was Charles Trask ?
If your father isn't Charles Trask , who is Carl Peter Trask? Why is Carl Trask said to be Chief Ardy Born With 3 Thumbs, and why are you using this name yourself?
If your mothers parents were named Landry and Holden why do you claim her maiden name was Toney?
Sorry to be suspisious, but when things don't seem to fit together, I think it's important to ask for clarification. Unfortunantely it seems many people try and use a show of activism as a prop in creating a false identity for themselves.
I don't mean to be rude, but asking questions is the only way to verify peoples identity and the legitimacy of their claims.
Hopefully Clan Mother can explain how all this fits together....
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critter - a white non-ndn person:
Ok, not to be really stupid or anything, but apparently a chief can be a woman.. didn't know that. Not surprising, there is much I don't know.
Ardy 3 thumbs, no disrespect, but I find it a sad statement to say Indians do not have friends. It is just sad.
I wish you well, and have nothing but respect for your fight, and your warrior spirit. May you continue to stand strong.. and win!
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