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General => Frauds => Topic started by: debbieredbear on February 19, 2005, 05:39:12 pm
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Shaman: developing a modern edge
Cyber shaman
- To learn more about Shane Knox — ShadowHawk, call 866-2248 or visit http://shamanshadow.com.
- For information about Natural Escapes Body Therapeutics, call 865-6996 or visit www.natural escapes.net.
By Linda Leicht
News-Leader
Feb. 19, 2005
http://springfield.news-leader.com/lifestyle/today/20050219-Shamandevelopin.html
Shamans are found in traditional cultures around the world — African witch doctors in huts, Celtic pagan priests standing in open fields, American Indian medicine men in sweat lodges.Shane Knox plans to work in an office.
Knox, who uses the name ShadowHawk, says he has been a shaman for 25 years. He studies and applies traditional native American, Asian, African, Celtic and other methods, but he is firmly planted in the modern world.
"I may very well do a traditional ... smudging and blessing with prayers to Grandmother and Grandfather, but I will have booked that appointment on my cell phone and entered it in my electronic organizer," says Knox. "Now we're going to do it at the office."
Moving into an office seemed natural to Knox as his business grew to include more clients, CDs and a Web site.
"My personal mission is to take all of these traditionally honored modalities of helping people and bring them into the modern age," says Knox, sitting in front of a desk covered with plants, crystals, a cell phone and a Hewlett-Packard computer.
Knox plans to be in his new digs by month's end. He will share space with longtime friend and massage therapist Sheila Johnson, owner of Natural Escapes Body Therapeutics on East Battlefield Road.
"My basic concept ... is to help people relax," says Johnson, leaning back on a comfortable brown leather sofa in the waiting room of her salon, the natural sounds of birds and running water filling the air. "The world is complex and fast paced. It's hard to get quiet," she says. "Shane is very good at ... getting you quiet."
The combination of a shaman — who offers guided meditation, intuitive readings, soul retrieval and energy work — and traditional spa services seems natural to Johnson, whose office is filled with representations of angels.
She also finds it a natural fit with traditional Christianity. A churchgoing Christian herself, Johnson believes her own clients will feel comfortable with the match.
"When doing massage you have a whole attitude of acceptance," she says. "You accept everyone where they are. That's why there are so many different religions; everyone is at a different level. There's room for everyone's beliefs."
Knox also has a Christian background. Raised in a Baptist church, he still remembers his "calling" as a young boy of about 10 singing in church.
"I felt the call of Spirit and was saved," he says. "I felt for the first time a true connection and closeness to God. I wanted more."
His quest began, leading him to various churches, faiths and interests from Zen Buddhism to metaphysics. By the time he was a student at Ash Grove High School, he was doing "shamanic rituals out in the yard."
While he was a youngster he met a woman he calls "Barb" who told him he was a reincarnated shaman who had more work to do in this life. Barb and her sister, whom Knox describes as "medicine women of the Black Bear Clan of the Lumbees," gave him the name ShadowHawk. The Lumbees are a tribe in the eastern United States.
Knox says he continues to respect the faith of his youth as he participates in rituals that recall other belief systems. "Even though I ... use words like Grandmother and Grandfather to refer to God, I believe it's a gift from God," he says.
"I'm not afraid of standing up in the middle of the Bible Belt and saying, 'I'm a shaman and I'm going to do my work,'" says Knox.
'Try on new ideas'
The word shaman comes from Evenki, a Tungusic language of Siberia, and means "a priest or priestess who uses magic for the purpose of curing the sick, divining the hidden and controlling event," or anyone who "resembles a shaman."
While definitions differ, Knox says a shaman is "somebody who acts as a go-between for the physical and spiritual realms, and who is said to have particular powers such as prophecy and healing."
Almost all cultures around the world have shamans, he says. They have different names and their emphasis varies, but they all connect the "people and the spirit world."
For shamans such as Knox — modern day Americans in a fast-paced world — all those traditions are mixed together.
"Each has his own specialty, but the core thing is that they are the people who can alter their consciousness, connect with the divine, the all, the that-which-is-beyond-the-physical-limitations," he says.
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Meditations, intuitive readings and even healings are now offered in climate-controlled offices, on CDs, Web sites and over e-mail.
Michelle Pillen, a psychologist and author who lives on the island of Oahu in Hawaii, seeks out Knox for his readings, a way she manages to "stay sane" amid a busy life of work and family. They connect every few months by phone.
"Shane has helped me to accept my path and live my life more fully," she says. "Sounds corny, but it's true."
She says moving into Natural Escapes is a good business move because "it will give folks like me, who aren't fluent in New Age ways, more opportunities to try on new ideas and new experiences."
Mindy Spitz of Springfield agrees. She has been consulting Knox for years, but she sees his new location as a place where "people would feel more comfortable to visit."
For Spitz, who works in public relations, having a "regular place and schedule" will also make it easier for her to access his services.
Fitting the ancient spirituality of a shaman into a square office may seem an odd fit, but Spitz isn't concerned. "While (Knox) is in tune with other-worldly powers, we also have to be part of the real world," she says. "The real world means doing business. It's part of life."
'spirit guides'
Knox lights his smudge pot — filled with cedar, sage and tobacco — and blesses the room while moving the smoke with a "spirit fan" made of colorful feathers. He offers prayers to the Grandmother and Grandfather as the smoke covers his computer screen. He turns to a shelf covered with crystals, totems and a pipe wrapped in animal skin and leather.
"The sage gets rid of the negativity. The cedar calls for good, and the tobacco is an offering to the spirits," he says.
Then he sits down in a high backed office chair, tucking his legs up lotus style, and begins handling a deck of tarot cards with American Indian symbols. The cards offer focus but no information themselves. Bouncing back and forth, the leather medicine bag swinging from his neck, Knox begins an intuitive reading, barely looking at the neatly displayed cards.
He mentions disagreements at work, projects at home, health problems and a dying friend, all spilling out of him in a matter-of-fact way. It is his "spirit guides" who provide the information. He offers no solutions and no opinions.
"My guides and my intuition tell me" what to say, Knox explains.
In the background, he plays a CD of pipes and drums, taking the place of the traditional drummer. His cell phone interrupts the reading. He smiles apologetically and turns it off.
The computer screen shows the shamanshadow.com Web site where music and meditation CDs are available.
"We're introducing the cyber shaman aspect of what I do," says Knox. "Yes, we're going to honor tradition ... but we're going to bring it into the modern day."
He gently moves a rattle, tied with a small fetishes of bird and bear claw, to its place on the shelf, then flips open his cell phone to see who called.
"We're living in a high-tech world," he says. "There's no reason why those two things can't be married."
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I wrote to the paper and their Religion Editor answered back:
Subject: Re: Would-Be Shamans and "Tribes"
To: "Linda Leicht" <lleicht@news-leader.com>
Dear Ms. Leicht,
Please see my comments below, which are marked by>>>.
Linda Leicht <lleicht@news-leader.com> wrote:
Dr. Carroll,
Thank you for your e-mail regarding the shaman story. While I appreciate
your concerns about a "New Age imposter" claiming some American Indian
credentials, I never said that in the story.
>>>Mr. Knox claimed to have a sacred pipe gifted to him from a Native medicine man. If you'd done your homework, you'd know we don't hand out sacred pipes like party favors to white pretenders. The true number of sacred pipes is extremely small, often only one per tribe or band.
In fact, Knox clearly said he took things from all sorts of traditions.
>>>"Take" is certainly the appropriate word, I grant you.
The reader can decide for himself if he is comfortable with such a belief system. Also, I never called Knox's pipe "sacred," nor did I quote any "Lakota ceremonial phrase" other than to
quote Knox as saying he says prayers to "Grandmother and Grandfather."
>>>Your story includes Mr. Knox using the Lakota ceremonial phrase "Mitakuye Oyasin." See this link for how he is misusing the phrase.
http://users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/nafps/articles/art04.htm
I was very careful not to imply that Knox is connected with any traditional faith system whether Native American, Celtic or Christian. I am also aware of the sensitivity that any of those groups have about people who are not legitimate members using their traditional methods of worship. But in our culture, religious synchronicity is not uncommon.
>>It is not synchronicty for the simple reason that he is not imitating Native beliefs, only carrying out the New Age minstrel show version of them.
Even Christian worship is guilty of it. I don't think Knox's "cyber shaman" is a serious challenge to
legitimate shamans of any of the traditions mentioned in the article.
>>>Again, your phraseology is a good example of what your fail to understand. Native peoples do not have "shamans", that is the outsider's term for elders or medicine people, whether used by New Agers, anthropologists, or journalists.
>>>The pseudo-shaman movement does an enormous amount of damage to Native-white relations by making it far more difficult for you to understand us as we actually are. Outside of Hollywood, no other source spreads more misconceptions about Native than the so called "New Age."
>>>See this collection of articles if you doubt me. The second set, General Articles on Cultural Theft, is especially relevant for surveying the damage, spiritual, emotional, social, and even the loss of life caused by such people.
http://users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/articles/index.htm
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Pt 2:
I think that you would prefer that a "better journalist" simply refuse to write anything about the likes of Mr. Knox.
>>>Not at all. I simply wished you had brought up this issue in your article. It would have been far more informative than the simplistic praising of this naive man who is, as I said before, as much a victim as a victimizer.
>>>In fact, let me say clearly that I hope you *do* write on this subject, this time focusing on the harm done to Natives and Native-white relations.
>>>You have a subject ripe for investigation in your very own backyard, as it were. William "Blue Otter" Anderson is based in Cabool, MO, and has likely victimized many of your own readers with his deceptions. I strongly urge you to write an expose of this man.
>>>You also have a number of pseudo- and would-be "tribes" within your state taking advantage of those with distant Native ancestry, especially those with a family story about a Cherokee ancestor. There are literally thousands of these poor souls in your state who have lost huge sums of money given to fake "tribes" who charge for membership, such as Lola Scholl and her "Western Cherokee Nation."
You have a right to that opinion, but even "New Agers" have a right to be heard.
>>>New Agers who do not exploit Native beliefs certainly do, even if it is, as Hopi elder Wendy Rose points out, largely a consumerism phenomena and not a religious movement.
>>>But there is no First Amendment right to commit fraud by impersonating something you are not, anymore than someone has the right to call themselves a rabbi or Catholic priest when they are not and gather donations or perform dubious ceremonies. I direct this more to characters such as Anderson more than Mr. Knox. Knox likely got taken advantage of by someone posing as a Lakota elder.
I cover many different faith traditions, including Native American. Each has its own challenges, but I try to give them a fair airing on their own terms, rather than finding others who disagree with them. Would you have me seek out a Jew who finds the Christian exploitation of their traditional religious beliefs a blasphemy every time I do a story on some Christian _expression of faith?
>>>Once again, you show a lack of the most basic understanding of New Age exploitation of Native beliefs.
>>>They imitate a *stereotype* and propagate a *fantasy* of the Indian as Noble Savage, dressed up as enlightenment and "honoring."
>>>A true parallel would not be a Jew who is offended by Christianity's use of their beliefs (something I've never encountered or even heard of BTW.)
>>>A true parallel would be someone Jewish offended by the Aryan Nation describing themselves as the "true Jews," which they do in their own literature.
I try to be sensitive to those concerns, however. Which is what I did in the story about Mr. Knox.
Linda Leicht
Religion Editor
Springfield News-Leader
651 Boonville Ave.
Springfield, MO 65806
>>>I believe you did try, somewhat. I also believe you still did not do a very good job, and hope you will do better in the future.
>>>Let me encourage simply to write with more depth and do more investigation instead what was close to being a puff piece on Mr. Knox.
>>>I also hope your paper will have the courage to print my objections to your story, and especially to do investigative pieces on such crass criminals as William Anderson or Lola Scholl.
Thank you for listening,
Dr. Al Carroll
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I located a picture of him here "smudging"
in his office I presume...
http://springfield.news-leader.com/lifestyle/religion/index_new.shtml
I found amusing the image and the tag line:
"Tarot cards offer Knox focus but no real information"
to which I have to smugly reply.... then he does not know how to use them.. but that is beside the point. I see in this article another Pagan playing at this and that at the cost of others for money and a nice office. These people don't understand they can't mish mash things together, they don't want to understand.
I know it is very difficult to reason with people like this. I don't like to see people playing "Witch" and mixing those things in with other systems. You see that happening out there and it's good sign that the person does not know what the heck they are doing. Like with the people mixing in the "Skinwalker" things you mentioned elsewhere here.
Linda.
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Oh brother, did you read this part:
"While he was a youngster he met a woman he calls "Barb" who told him he was a reincarnated shaman who had more work to do in this life. Barb and her sister, whom Knox describes as "medicine women of the Black Bear Clan of the Lumbees," gave him the name ShadowHawk. The Lumbees are a tribe in the eastern United States."
A reincarnated shaman. How special. One of the local frauds convinced the more money then brains crowd around here that his 14 year old daughter was a reincarnation of a 2000 year old medicine woman. Basically pimped the kid off. Now he has a restraining order against his now 21 year old daugter who is on drugs and angry.
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That reporter really didn't do her job. I was trying to find out if that "Lumbee Black Bear Clan" that "Barb" was part of was for real and found this:
http://www.uncp.edu/nativemuseum/publications/right.htm
"...the kinship network on which they can depend. One of the first things Lumbees who don't know each other ask is: "Who are your people?" This is a way to situate folks in a known network of families and clans (commonly called "sets" among modern Lumbees).
Another surviving element of traditional culture is the central role of spirituality. One of the first things noticed by European travelers in the "New World" was the great importance of religion. This traditional Indian kind of spirituality cannot easily be separated from the other, more commonplace, elements of culture. Church is not only pervasive among the Lumbee as a spiritual matter; it defines social and economic matters, and influences political matters. Despite the fact that Christianity generally replaced traditional Indian religion during European conquest, spirituality itself continues to be an integral part of the Lumbee universe, and a more broadly experienced phenomenon."
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The predominant Native population here in Baltimore is Lumbee. I have had Lumbee friends for 30 years., etc. I can tell you that Lumbees do not have Clans in the traditional sense. When I meet another Cherokee for the first time we usually first run through family names and then ask each other's Clan. Lumbee do this too but stop at the Clan asking. This is not a fault or anything I am trying to say negatively, its just that whatever Clan system they had has been long lost.
Also almost everyone of them is Southern Baptist. Our Indian center here in Baltimore was started by Lumbees in the Southern Baptist church right down the street from where our current center is.
Joseph
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He has a message board at the below link.
http://pub9.bravenet.com/forum/720709514
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He has a message board at the below link.
http://pub9.bravenet.com/forum/720709514
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"Part Cherokee trained Lakota"
http://shamanshadow.com/thought.html
"The Tribe
I often get asked what tribe I come from. I don’t answer in terms of ancestry or Native American tribes. Instead, I start talking about my friends, my mother and brother, my husband Scott (yes I said husband, please assume the obvious), our animal companions and so on. I guess the traditional answer would be “part Cherokee trained Lakota???, but I kind of have a problem with all that. What part of me exactly is it that is Cherokee, my big toe or possibly my left eye? It’s just too hard to pin down""
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wow, what a bitter bunch of insecure individuals. since when in Spirit exclusive to the Native Americans? When did it become wrong to help people? What gives any of you the right to comment on my work or my abilities without having experienced or even met me in person?
i have dedicated my life to my shamanic path. I didn't charge people at all for twenty plus years. did you know that? did you care to find out?
the pipe that was questioned was gifted to me as i am the elder of my tribe. It came directly from the sacred catlinite mine. you can doubt the authenticity but that doesn't change the truth.
i feel fortunate that i answer only to Grandfather and Grandmother for my work and my path. i am thankful that Spirit isn't limited to those who would hold onto it like a child holding a toy in a sandbox, afraid that someone else might get to use it.
Shame on you all for bashing people you do not know. Shame on you for presuming to pass judgement on anyones path. You say that everyone should honor your path and your ways and yet you refuse to offer that same courtesy.
Again i ask, who are you to do this?
It is my prayer to Grandfather that he will open your eyes to the world we live in today. That he will soothe your troubled minds and allow you to focus on your own paths instead of worrying so much about mine.
I would like to thank you all for the energy. Your comments here have shown me how important my work is. How necessary it is to show people that not everyone that honors the old ways would keep it from them. That not all of us believe that spirituality is exclusive or limited to the "chosen few". You have helped me to know my path more fully.
be blessed
ShadowHawk
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since when in Spirit exclusive to the Native Americans?
We're not all Indians here, and please drop the newage jargon. 'Spirituality' is still a perfectly usable word; no one here's saying that spirituality is exclusive to any group of people. What Indian people here say, as I understand it, is that their religions *are* exclusive to them, and cannot be understood by people who don't belong to an Indian community. I can see you don't like that, but that's tough.
When did it become wrong to help people?
Feeding sugary fantasies to your clients is helping them? Messing with stuff you don't understand is helping? Perpetuating noble-savage stereotypes is helping who, exactly?
What gives any of you the right to comment on my work or my abilities without having experienced or even met me in person?
Frankly I'd rather not 'experience' you in person. Anyway, it's called freedom of speech, and it's not necessary to meet you to know that what you're doing is wrong. There's plenty of evidence of that on your website.
the pipe that was questioned was gifted to me as i am the elder of my tribe.
It's beyond belief that you're an elder of any tribe except maybe the Wannabes.
i am thankful that Spirit isn't limited to those who would hold onto it like a child holding a toy in a sandbox, afraid that someone else might get to use it. Shame on you all for bashing people you do not know. Shame on you for presuming to pass judgement on anyones path. You say that everyone should honor your path and your ways and yet you refuse to offer that same courtesy.
You're not just talking about the people on this message board. You're talking about the many Indian community leaders who've been protesting about people like you for decades. Implying that they are childish shows the hypocrisy of your demand that everyone respect your 'path'.
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make no mistake. i am talking exclusively about the people on this message board. hate board is more acurrate. you all live in a life of negativity. you spend your time speaking ill of people you don't know instead of actually helping people to understand your point. you speak of acting childish....do you read your own posts? do you realize how you come across? you are not helping your cause one bit.
as i said before, you are all helping me to see how much my work and my teachings are needed. when you make your comments about me you must understand you are making comments about everyone that has contributed to my path. many true blood natives, that by bashing me you are also hurting.
again i say, shame on you all. i was never aware that the traditional teachings of any tribe was to redicule the earnest. you all speak of me not doing things the "right" way or of not being a full native. is it traditional native american to use a computer to insult others? i would think not.
you point out that "shaman" is not a native american term. why then would you all be so offened that i call myself one? it's a siberian russian term for a person that is the go between for the people and the spirit world.
in truth i have to wonder why you care what i do. i never claimed to be a native american. i simply said that i honor the traditional ways. you take my honoring as an insult. thankfully, grandfather isn't as petty.
keep up the posts. they are helping me to know that my path is so very right for me.
to be the subject of a hate site is inspiring in some ways....again, i thank you.
shadowhawk
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Wow, talk about insecurities! Seems to me if you REALLY felt you are on the right path, you wouldn't come here to attack people. Oh, and why not ask Arvol Looking Horse what he thinks about Cherokees practicing Lakota ways.
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Mr. Knox...
(No, I absolutely will not call you by your Faux "Indian" name. True Indian names have to be EARNED and given out by elders at name giving ceremonies. Only a wannabe thinks they can give themselves what they naively think are "Indian names" but instead come across as someone who's seen Dances With Wolves too many times.
Your "Indian name" is, frankly, laugh out loud funny, like calling yourself Crystal Light Warrior or Rainbow Eagle.
And Indians will continue to laugh at the pretensions of non-Indians who don't realize how foolish they look, just like Blacks have every right to laugh at white kids into hip hop who try to "talk Black" or what they think is Black.)
Mr. Knox, as I said in my letter to the editor of your Springfield paper, I honestly think you are as much a victim as you are a victimizer who carries on the cycle of abuse.
I truly feel sorry for you, which is why I wrote to the Religion Editor of that paper.
I saw an oportunity to reach out and try and keep others from being badly abused and lied to as has happened to you.
And I still think that is possible here. You have the chance, if you truly have the maturity and openmindedness you claim to have, to see what you have done wrong and how you have been misled by one charlatan after another...
...and are now doing in turn to others, largely because of your own ignorance of what Natives are truly like and what Natives truly believe.
Your friend "Barb" is almost certainly a fraud. She is NOT a Lumbee medicine woman, elder, or even anyone with any knowledge of Lumbee ways.
Lumbees DONT have clans. Her "Black Bear Clan" is an invention of hers.
Similarly, the "sacred pipe" you allegedly were gifted with is just a pipe. The true number of sacred pipes is TINY, often only one per tribe.
Think about it: Why would any respected elder hand out pipes to outsiders like a party favor?
Being a self styled "psychic" is also not something practiced by ANY Native tradition I'm aware of.
"Native tarot cards" are also nothing but a lie. Tarot is EUROPEAN.
If you truly want to understand your alleged Cherokee heritage, why are you dong this confused mishmash of white STEREOTYPES of what Indians are like?
Your Cherokee ancestors must truly be ashamed of what you are doing now, and praying you find your way back to a genuine path.
Instead of your immature name calling, negativity, and lashing out in such a childish way, why don't you try to LEARN the TRUTH about your heritage?
Dr. Al Carroll
History Dept.
St. Phillip's College
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The site begins here, this is the front door to see what NAFPS is about http://www.newagefraud.org
Unfortunately, many visitors don't read that part to see what Native peoples actually think about those trying to emulate and totally change their religious beliefs to suit them.
And no, it is not right or respectful (important word there, respectful) to mix the Tarot and Wicca and the Pagan and the Native American this and that in one place to form some new mish mash of "things" that are somehow supposed to work "together." And Mr. Shaman, I am a secure, hereditary witch of 43 years with a passion for learning. I understand these spiritual issues, reasonings and needs of others and *therefore respect* Native American rights to their own things.
Some do come in and complain about Native Americans not wanting others to mix all these things up, some complain when questions are raised but the facts remain:
Tribes and Native peoples do not wish their beliefs bantied about and they publicly state these things on their websites as well as in here. Yes, many Tribes and peoples are on the web and they have voices too.
This list is populated by Native and Non-native people of many backgrounds. Many of us are professionals in our work day worlds.
Its all on that front and subsequant pages.
Linda.
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sir,
i didn't name myself. shadowhawk is the name i was given by the grandmothers of the black bear clan in a naming ceremony. the fact that you do not know of this clan does in no way negate their existence. also, i never called myself shaman until after twenty years of following the path i finally felt worthy of the title that had been bestowed on me. the truth is that you have in no way made any attempt to find out anything about me. i made it quite clear to the interviewer from the paper tha i was not recognized by the lakotas or the cherokees as tribes. if you would read my website you would learn that i have defined my tribe quite well and that it in no way infringes upon yours or anyone elses. i have been the spiritual leader of my personal group of friends, family and clients for twenty plus years and will stand by their support as my tribe.
you feel i am taking something from you all and that was never my intent. i find it sad that you all feel so slighted by someone that has heartfelt respect for the old ways, but realizes that he lives in a modern time.
may you all grow. may you all prosper. may you all learn to follow your path with integrity, allowing all others the same right.
shadowhawk
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Mr. Knox, I'm glad you've returned here. I truly mean that.
I'm also glad you're speaking more politely now, instead of lashing out at us in the way you accuse us of being.
Like Linda pointed ou, this is not a "hate" group, anymore than a Rape Crisis Center "hates men". Much like them we work to stop abuse and try to help people who've been harmed. We've helped many people in five years, probably in the hundreds. That's what keeps us going, without pay and even facing almost threats from some of the more unbalanced exploiters.
The whole "hate" claim is even more ridiculous when you realize we have members from over a dozen tribes, Blacks, whites, even a Maori member, and almost every faith, Native traditionalists, Christians, white pagans, atheists, and one Muslim member.
I invite you to stay here, read the links, the archives, and learn as much as you can. Talk to us with an open mind and see where we're coming from instead of kneejerk or unthinking anger and bitterness.
A few more points before you hopefully start to read these links below:
1) It doesn't matter that I haven't heard about the "Black Bear Clan", supposedly Lumbee.
What matters is THE LUMBEES HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THEM. They just plain don't have clans. Accept it and deal with it.
2) You have a group of friends. You don't have a "tribe".
A true Tribe=a nation, people connected by common lineage and culture going back as far as anyone can trace.
At best you have a social club, and clubs don't have elders, though they might have people who are elderLY.
Thus under every Native tradition, including Lumbee, Cherokee, and Lakota, you don't have a real Indian name. Accept it and deal with it instead of getting angry at the people telling you the hard truth.
Anyway, hope you read these and reflect on them:
Excellent Sites for Learning About Native Spirituality
Be Very Careful When Choosing a Sweatlodge!
http://users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/nafps/articles/art21.htm
When Someone Claims to be a "Pipe Carrier"
http://users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/nafps/articles/art23.htm
New Age People Misusing "Mitakuye Oyasin" by Mike Two Horses
http://users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/nafps/articles/art04.htm
A Cherokee's Plea for Respect
http://users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi
Statement from Dr. Richard Allen of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma
http://users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/articles/art00001.htm
Statement from the Navajo Nation
http://users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/nafps/articles/art19.htm
And a Fantastic Collection of Links on What Virtually ALL Native People Think About New Age or Would Be "Shamanism"
http://users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/articles/index.htm
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this is the last time i will be returning to your hate site. your unwaivering malicious attacking of my life long path is nothing more than insulting as you don't know me at all personally. i have nothing to learn from a bunch of narrow minded individuals that would rather spend their time calling people wannabes and declaring self emposed "truths". your stating something doesn't make it true, sir. you need to realize you do not speak for every lumbee or native american. you speak for yourself, as do i in my work and my path.
i still will pray to grandfather to open your eyes to the understanding of the world we live in today and help you to step out of your self emposed darkness and into some sense of light and acceptance.
i fear you do not have what it takes to do that. that is sad.
be well. i wish you no harm. i simply wish for you to stop attacking me as you do not know me. i have never claimed any of the things you are upset about and this back and forth game has become tiresome.
shadowhawk
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Mr. Knox,
I have lived in Baltimore for 48 years, 32 of which have been involved with our Indian center. This center was founded by Lumbees (I am Cherokee). It was founded as I have stated before in a Baptist Church. Ask any Lumbee, any 80,000 of them that are enrolled in NC and 99%, I would bet my last dollar on, would say that they are southern baptist. I gave a call to the chair of our board of directors and asked about this clan. He is Lumbee. He never heard of it.
If you liked, next week I have two meetings at our Indian center. All in attendance will be Lumbee except for myself and the director. I will ask them about this clan. I will ask every Lumbee I know if you would like. Contact the Lumbee registrar's office in NC and ask them. Call our Indian center here and ask them, 410-675-3535.
I am not trying to be mean nor nasty nor a know-it-all but this is something I know about. I think Mr. Carroll has conducted himself in very nice manner in regards to the subject being discussed and has been very cordial to you.
Joseph
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I don't get what the whole problem of practicing traditional ways in todays society is. Every society evoles and grows. mixing practices seems like to me a natural progression of todays society. Look at the population of the U.S. for instance a big melting pot, and only increasing so as time goes on. It seems to me that Shadowhawks beliefs and practices is a natural progression of a changing society. If his practices and beliefs really help people how wrong can they really be. I am a proud member of this tribe that people seem to think is a "social club" i have been members of social clubs before and this is far from that.. he is the leader of our tribe, he is the one that we go to, to get advise or learn more, as we grow on our own spiritual path, in todays society that makes him the shaman of our "modern day" tribe. Shadowhawk has helped me on my personal spiritual growth for over 12 years, I believe in him and what he does, I personally know of other people he has helped along there spiritual path, how can his work be harmful, when so much good and enlightment has come from it. would challenge anybody to try to make me understand how what Shadowhawk does is harmful when i have experienced so many good things, for me personally and other members of our "modern tribe". thanks, And please have tolerance for our beliefs, as we do of everyone elses. S.R. Carroll CARROLL
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i had hoped to not feel the need to return here, but i feel there is one important point that is being overlooked. you all act as though native americans would never have evolved in their spiritual and cultural practices. that is actually rather insulting of the intelligence level of the native americans. we are communicating via computer, not smoke signals. many of us will eat our meal today that was bought in a store or taken from a fast food window, not hunted or gathered as would be traditional. native americans have evolved and changed with the times. not all ride horses. in fact i would venture to say many own cars.
my point being that for you to say that things cannot change with the times and be brought into the modern age is to say that native americans are lacking in the intellect to adapt. it is my understanding that just the opposite has occurred. natives, like all other people across the globe adapt to their surroundings. they grow and change with the land and the variables that are presented in any society.
please do not belittle the native americans by stating that things cannot change. if the "white" man had never come to this land it is still my beliefs that native americans would have grown and changed as have all cultures throughout time, throughout the world.
whether you are in agreement or whether you like it or not we all share this land. we all share access to Spirit. you have no exclusive claim to that. in truth in this modern day and age i was born a native to america. my life evolved in such a way that i was led to walk the path of a shaman. i have complete respect for your people, with the one exception that you are not willing to give that same respect, rather acting out on your unknowing about what i do. you feel the need to attack instead of attempting to learn and grow as you suggest i should do. you have painted me as a villian. that i am unlearned in what i speak of and practice. how much have you attempted to actually learn about me and my path? one article from newpaper....my website. none of you have spoken personally with me. you attack, act childish and then throw those same accusations back to me. you are not willing to grant that which you ask of me. why therefore should i listen to what you have to say? if the goal of your group is to spread information and learning then you have failed as you have attacked and belittled instead of reaching out in the energy of growth and understanding. you have damaged your own mission. i am not an unwaivering person. i value information and understanding. i have been unable to gain any from this site as you put me on the defensive from the first posts.
you claim to want to educate and preserve that which is sacred to you. all i have seen so far is backbiting and attacking negativity. i doubt i am the only one to feel that there is nothing to gain from this site when that is how you go about your crusade.
in truth i wish you nothing but goodness, success and prosperity in your endeavors. i do this because i believe there is room for us all in this world. i believe that if you ask Grandfather you will find that he feels the same way. i would encourage you to do what you ask of others. step back from where you are standing and look with the intention of learning at what i do. it in no way damages you. it has nothing to do with you. the simple fact is that in this country we have a thing called religious freedom. that freedom grants me the right to practice shamanism as i see fit. you have absolutely no authority to say otherwise. you would be wise you realize this. if you wish you discuss things giving the same respect you demand of me then that would be one thing. you have yet to show the maturity to do that. it is my hope that you all grow and learn from this. your cause is noble, your tactics are not. you attacked out of knee jerk reactions to an article in the newpaper. not out of first hand experience or knowledge. the name "educated indian" is rather misleading here. how educated have you become on what i do, who i am, or actually what i believe in? one article. one limited perspective. one window into a lifetime's work and dedication. you may feel the only thing here is tradition and rights versus modernization but let me remind you that i am a person. an individual that deserves basic human decency and respect, just as you would like to have. you have not only attacked me but many people not listed in the article. the members of my "tribe" have done nothing to you and yet you have lumped them into your attacks. does this make you feel proud? does this help your cause? i would think not on either situation.
we come from a point of acceptance and understanding that we live in the modern world. we will continue to live and worship in our own way and you have no authority to stop that. there is a truth we will all have to accept. you had before you an opportunity to network and spread your ideals but you chose instead to attack and act so pettily that you have only damaged your own cause.
i wish you greater luck in the future.
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i have been reading back through all of the posts and am struck my one major question: when did i claim to be an indian? when did i say that the lakotas or lumbee nation recognizes me or backs me in any way. i have told my personal story. i have told you all of the people that i have met in my life and the experiences that came from them. when i say i honor the native traditions, i refer to all peoples, worldwide. my ancestory is scotch irish...celtic on my fathers side. they too have clans and shamans. on my mothers it is a mix, including cherokee. my family is very close knit as are my friends and even my clients. we do form our own version of a tribe or clan. i do not mean that in your limited definition of it but for us it is quite real.
if you had actually read with intent the article that has spawned all of this you would have realized that i practice "moderns day shamanism", drawing from many cultures and teachings. i honor all of them. to honor means to respect. i respect all traditions and all paths that lead to spirit.
what title would you have me use? shamans are found in all cultures, all traditions around the world. not all of the cultures will fit your definitions and qualifiers to be recognized by you but that does not mean we do not exist.
it is unfortunate that you have all forced us to focus only on our differences instead of working together to create greater understanding.
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Shaman is a Siberian word. I know of NO tribe that uses this term. Please do not call Indian holy people shamans as that is a new age buzz word. If you want to be one, fine. But find out what it means, other than new age bs. Right now I am dealing with a local fraud who calls himself a shaman and has people buffaloed into thinking he is a real live "Indian Shaman." He uses women sexually and is making a lot of $$. In my community, a reservation, shaman is not something ANY decent person would call themselves. And as I am mixed blood, Indian and Celtic, I know that my Celtic ancestors did not have shamans either. Most of the "Celtic Shamans" I have met are nuage wannabe somethings. They mix in wicca and say that is Celtic. No, it's not. They mix in this and that and the other thing.
One other thing: I did not call you a fraud. I asked what others thought. That's why you are posted in the more research needed section. The people I have posted in the fraud section are the real thing. Including that creep I mentioned above. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Your own words condemn you.
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i have been reading back through all of the posts and am struck my one major question: when did i claim to be an indian? when did i say that the lakotas or lumbee nation recognizes me or backs me in any way.
Don't be silly: all your publicity is intended to signal to the ignorant, including yourself, that you have access to special, authentically Indian knowledge.
when i say i honor the native traditions, i refer to all peoples, worldwide.
I think Indian people tend to feel that your 'honouring' them is:
"...just superficial, hypocritical puffery. People should remember that an honor isn't born when it parts the honorer's lips, it is born when it is accepted in the honoree's ear."
...Glenn T. Morris, AIM Colorado
(from http://www.spokesmanreview.com/allstories-news-story.asp?date=060104&ID=s1525408 )
Morris is talking about 'Indian' sports team mascots. Festooning your 'spiritual path' with fictional Lumbee clans, calling yourself a tribal elder and so on, is no different to a Washington Redskins fan 'honouring Indians' by doing the 'Tomahawk chop'. I hope you wouldn't say that blacking up and singing 'Mammy' is a way to honour black people; what you do is the same, no matter how spiritual it makes you feel.
my ancestory is scotch irish...celtic on my fathers side. they too have clans and shamans.
*Sigh* So many egregious errors in two short sentences. You know no more about your European ancestors than your alleged Indian relations. It's 'Scottish'; nobody from Scotland says 'Scotch' - and there's a difference between Scottish and Irish people; saying 'Scotch Irish' is like saying 'Dutch Spanish'. Further, the pre-Roman inhabitants of Scotland and Ireland - some of whom you apparently believe were 'shamans' - never called themselves 'Celts'. That only began to happen in the mid-eighteenth century, based on a series of linguistic and archaeological errors. The term 'shaman' is not used, except by fantasists, to refer to these peoples' intellectual class: I think you might mean 'Druids'.
what title would you have me use? shamans are found in all cultures, all traditions around the world.
No, they aren't: that's a stereotype based on racist assumptions about 'primitive' people and their 'archaic' religions. As Debbie has pointed out, the word 'shaman' comes from Siberian people, specifically Tungus speakers in Central Siberia. Since the 1940s when anthropologist Robert Lowie taught his students to use the word in place of phrases like 'medicine man' and 'witch doctor', it has become as facile and loaded with racist baggage as the labels it was intended to replace. As another anthropologist, Alice Beck Kehoe, writes in 'Shamans and Religion: An Anthropological Exercise in Critical Thinking (Waveland Press, 2000, ISBN 1-57766-162-1):
'...Even among Tungus speakers, there are several distinct ritual practitioners, not all called "shaman". It is confusing and misleading to use a simple blanket word, lifted from an unfamiliar Asian language, for a variety of culturally recognized distinct practices and practitioners.' (p. 53).
Using the concept of 'shamanism' is not a way to honour people, and it's not our job to help you think of an alternative.
it is unfortunate that you have all forced us to focus only on our differences instead of working together to create greater understanding.
You could start me on my journey to greater understanding of what you do by explaining how come you met someone from a non-existent Lumbee clan. Joseph has pointed out, very politely, that they have no black bear or any other clan. You haven't responded to his efforts to help you, which is surprising from someone who puts so much emphasis on respect.
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i will stand by my statements, as they are accurate depictions of my life and my path. i will let the readers that happen upon your little hate site to form their own views.
i am shadowhawk. shaman of my modern day tribe. you can like it or not but it is the truth. i invite all who read these posts to form their own opinions.
i thank you all for helping me to know that my path has value and need in light of such arrogant narrow mindedness.
shadowhawk
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i will stand by my statements, as they are accurate depictions of my life and my path.
Nobody's saying you're a liar: I'm sure you really believe everything you've written here. However, I think you are deluded and are deluding other people in turn.
i invite all who read these posts to form their own opinions.
People don't need an invitation to do that, Shane. I'm sure many will form the common-sense opinion of your inability to explain your encounter with medicine women from a non-existent clan.
And I'm sure people will also note the way you've ignored those Indian people here who've told you things you don't want to hear. So much for respecting Indians.
i thank you all for helping me to know that my path has value and need in light of such arrogant narrow mindedness.
Ah, the odour of sanctity. There's nothing like it for disguising the stink of BS.
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"Native people DO NOT believe it is ethical to charge money for any ceremony or teaching. Any who charge you even a penny are NOT authentic. ? Native traditionalists believe the ONLY acceptable way to transmit traditional teachings is orally and face-to-face. Any allegedly traditional teachings in books or on websites are NOT authentic.
Learning medicine ways takes decades and must be done with great caution and patience out of respect for the sacred. Any offer to teach you all you need to know in a weekend seminar or two is wishful thinking at best, fraud at worst. We (native people and our supporters) realize that most of you do not know any better, at least not yet, but we hope you learn about these matters from more reputable sources and in a more respectful manner.
If it says New Age or Shamanism on the cover, it's not a good source for learning about natives. Find out which authors can be trusted before you pay money to operators who harm us all."
http://www.newagefraud.org ?
For further information.
Linda
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"I don't get what the whole problem of practicing traditional ways in todays society is. ? Every society evoles and grows. "
You must be kidding SR. What he does is NOT traditional. Even Mr. Knox admits that.
And do you realize how condescending and racist you sound? You just said that *you* are more evolved. The clear implication is that you think we're primitive savages.
"mixing practices seems like to me a natural progression of todays society."
And yet before, you claimed he was traditional.
"Look at the population of the U.S. for instance a big melting pot, and only increasing so as time goes on. "
The "melting pot" is something we DONT want. A melting pot DESTROYS what gets put into it.
"he is the leader of our tribe, he is the one that we go to, to get advise or learn more, as we grow on our own spiritual path, in todays society that makes him the shaman of our "modern day" tribe. "?
There you go again with your racist rhetoric of white superiority to allegedly primitive Indians.
? "I would challenge anybody to try to make me understand how what Shadowhawk does is harmful when i have experienced so many good things, for me personally and other members of our "modern tribe"."
For one thing , it sure hasn't "enlightened" you about a thing. You're spouting racist stereotypes, and I wouldn't call that enlightenment by a long shot.
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What did you hope to achieve by that, Shane? Your website and phone number are at the beginning of this discussion. I'm sure future readers of this thread will form the appropriate opinion of your behaviour.
Moderators: can we move this thread to the 'Frauds' section?
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It would seem to me that we are being used here for whatever the reason, the motivation. Who knows how many people Mr.Knox has refered to this site. This thread has been viewed 394 times. A bit excessive I would think.
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i didn't go to nafps to read anyone. i have yet to perform a reading for anyone in that hate group, nor will i. i went there because i was informed that i had been posted on this site without having been contacted by the organization first. once i arrived at the site i found some of my copyrighted information posted without my permission, as well as, unfounded attacks and criticizms. why would one need to read a group of people when their malicious intent in so obvious? nafps did not contact me in anyway. their "sandbagging" techniques speak for themselves as they obviously lack the maturity to contact me directly.
this is an indication of just how noble their cause is here. any group with integrity would have contacted me first. this group however did not do that. they broke the law by posting copyrighted materials and spoke out against me without ever having researched me or my activities. they have now taken their attacks to my personal website and have even attempted to contact some of my clients and "tribe" members. again, never having put that same effort into contacting me first.
take a long look at what these people say, then go to my site. you will find a marked difference. i welcome all paths to spirit. i do not require that others meet my personal criteria, as these individuals would attempt to do.
the simple truth is that i am recieving many hits each day from this site to mine and the response has been overwhelmingly favorable. although i don't like the tactics exhibited here i suppose i should be thankful for the exposure.
shadowhawk
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Joseph could be right. Shane Knox could be simply trying to use this to rake in more cash, more gullible marks for his fraud business.
Another possibility is that we landed in the middle of a "witch war", a dispute between factions in their local pagan community. It does seem like a local pagan has been reposting items from NAFPS to Shadowfraud's site.
You must've done something to tick off your fellow Springfield pagans, Knox.
Or you could be spamming your own site to try and make yourself look like a martyr and drum up some more cash and support and entice more of the gullible into your pseudo-tribe/cult.
Plus Knox has been caught in a pretty flagrant lie. I wrote to him after he first came to this site.
Knox, your knowledge of copyright law is almost as pitiful as your claim to be a shame-on. We and anyone else can quote from your site freely under the Fair Use laws, and there's nothing you can do about it.
And we can talk about you whenever and however we please.
I'll be talking to our admin about moving this thread to Frauds. Knox may have started off as a victim, but he resembles a cult leader more than anything now, doing everything he can to control every aspect of his cult's thoughts and actions.
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well, that tells me what i needed to know. thank you. i had suspected that it was a "witch war" as you have so aptly put it. i think i know the source of it all on a local level.
thanks for helping me to track it all down. that was my only real intention here.
shadowhawk
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i find it hard to imagine that i had to go to such lengths to find out how all this happened. i had suspected a local witch of being the source of the complaints about me. ironically, she is put out with me because i refuse to work with her because she lacks integrity and a true sense of spirituality.
had you all approached this differently you would have found that i agree with you. by your criteria i am not a medicine man or shaman. however, you must realize that your criteria is not the only one that exists.
i am recognized by my "modern day tribe", as defined by my website. the pipe i carry was given to me by a lakota. if that was not his right then your issue would be with him. i do not claim that it is one of the "official sacred pipes". i do however stand by the fact that it is sacred to me. i came by my path honestly. when i was fourteen i did not ask for credentials from barb. i took her at her word. at that point in my life it would have been disrespectful to do otherwise. i have dedicated my life to my work and my spiritual path. i never claim to be a native american, nor do i offer native american traditional rituals or practices. i offer the traditions that i have established and that were handed down to me by those that have taught and helped me on my personal journey.
what i practice is drawn from many cultures and religions and i do this because it is the burden that spirit has placed on me.
if you had taken the time to ask the reporter that wrote the article about me you would have found out that i made it quite clear that i was recognized by no official tribe or native organization and that they would find what i do to be unacceptable. not being native american i am not bound by native american standards or authority.
what i do is no reflection of any one people, nor is it a claim to have sacred knowledge from any tribe, save my the one of my own creation in this modern age.
it saddens me that i have had to resort to such tactics to find out what is really going on here. the local faction that is upset with me will be addressed. as for the rest, i hope that you will see the truth, which is that this entire situation has gotten blown way out of proportion.
i do not need to "rake in the cash" from this site. i have read for people for twenty-five years and have no fear of that stopping. it is because of my gift that i do this work. i defy you to find anyone that has ever been turned away due to money. just as i defy you to find anyone that will validate that i have done any of the things you claim i have done that take away from true native americans in any way. i claim no tradition, save my own. i claim no identity save that which has been given to me by my family, friends, clients and "tribe".
i will continue to do my work. i will continue to walk my path. it is my hope that we can all find some sense of common ground instead of perpetuating the negativity that is stemming from one troubled witch.
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when i was fourteen i did not ask for credentials from barb. i took her at her word. at that point in my life it would have been disrespectful to do otherwise.
You are no longer fourteen. Grow up.
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Knox, either your short term memory is terrible, or you just don't bother to read before you keep exploding in anger half-cocked.
Because one of the first posts in this thread is me posting my letter to the Religion Editor of the Springfield paper. Unlike you, I do my research, and I take great care to know what I'm talking and consider carefully what to do.
Like Barnaby said, you don't seem to have matured at all since you were 14. You don't have the maturity to drive, much less be a guide to anyone on their spiritual path. You live in your la la fantasyland where white suburbanites can call themselves a "tribe" and not expect to get laughed at.
A lot of this debate has turned on what to call yourself. You say you're not Native?
Fine. Quit using Native cultures (or the Faux version of them you keep falling for) to give legitimacy to what you do and claim.
It's simple. Strike all claims of having learned from Natives or Native culture on your site and call yourself what you are: A Pagan, one influenced by the Pseudo-Shamanism movement, which is itself made up of disrespectful frauds like Michael Harner. (Harner is a pariah to both Natives and among his former profession of anthropology, in case you didn't know.)
For your own good as well as those of your own pseudo-tribe, why not learn from ACCURATE and respectful sources? Most of the whites at NAFPS are either pagans themselves or former Nuagers who learned the hard way. And they'd be first to tell you it's better to know the truth than to live a lie.
THEY are the ones who've debated you most often and most vigorously in case you hadn't noticed.
If you want common ground, to me seeking out the truth should be that common ground.
Why not find out the TRUTH about "Barb"? Call up the Lumbee tribe, or take Joseph up on his offer and and get in touch with the many Lumbee he knows.
Why not find out the TRUTH about your ALLEGED Lakota who gave you the pipe? I suspect that like "Barb", he's not who he claims to be.
You're right, I do have far more of a beef with this alleged Lakota who deceived you. And I'm interested in knowing more about him.
I also hope you'll consider reading accurate and respectful sources on your REAL heritage, which you said was Cherokee. To me, THAT is your real tribe, and you should honor your ancestors by learning about them.
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I think the last count is 565 views for this thread. That's ridiculous. Mr. Knox is using this forum and I agree with Al that this should be moved to frauds now. Then maybe Mr. Knox will be quiet.
I have kept my comments to a minimum on this thread. It seems like everytime he says something someone feels the need to respond to him and that in turn gives him the opportunity to continue to try to back out of the situation by making up more stories.
For Mr. Knox's information, check the little box at the bottom of a posting page that says to notify you by e-mail if there are replies. That way one does not have to keep looking to see if there is something new all day long.
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Mr Knox --
Sometimes I too am a bit weary, wondering if I should post about one individual or another, so I try to be cautious, sometimes I am better at it than other times.
Apparently you know Shaman is a Siberian term and yet you still use it, KNOWING it is NOT American Indian, even though oyur website claims it is. That makes you a liar. Why, when you know it is not the right term for what you pretend to be? why do you sign your email "blessed be" -- I once knew someone who always signed their email like that and claimed to be a practicioner of Wicca. Do you practice wicca too?
You can try to clear your name or you can attack. you have a wonderful opportunity here to see that i.] you are mixing too many traditions together, therefore ii.] see the error of this apporach and iii.] Quit mixing traditions, quit charging for your "homemade" remedies as they are not the tradition of the people you claim to serve.
When you claim to use "traditional Native American methods" you are lying, because no one tribe would lump their "methods" up together with so many others.
In making this claim, did you consider American Indian people or their concerns about you appropriating their name, and ways for your profit? Did you ever spend time, years prehaps, learning from anyone who knew what they were talking about in a well documented American Indian community? Or did you just read a book or books on the topic? If I read a book, or many books about "Medicinal Plants of the Phillipines" I wouldn't start calling myself a "Filipino Medicine Man" and neither would oyu. Why you ask -- because there are 30 million Filipinos who'd call me a liar. Since there are not many American Indians, and each tribe has it's own customs different from the next, Indian people are an easy target -- they might not even hear about what you are doing. And maybe onl a hand full of people will tsand up to you and say you are making this stuff up.
I am "probably" 1/8th to 3/16th Indian, but not being enrolled I will probably never know for sure. But it is people who make up and mix tradition -- PEOPLE LIKE YOU -- that gives all people like me a bad name. It is by associating with people like you (often unknowingly) that peple like me can be "tagged" as "wannabe", or worse. That is why I am here as a membr of this group.
I have been called things through association with others whom I really knew little about. But once i learned they were no good, I cut ties with them. I started educating myself.
Sir, once you hear American Indian people disaprove of your methods, why can't you do the same, learn and quit calling your methods erroniously "Native American" -- as they are not -- rather than being a reactionary, that is "reacting" to this website, why not address the concerns addressed here?
That is, why not change YOUR methods? You are NOT using American Indian methods, that is a lie, for you i.] charge for your services apparently, ii.] mix one tratition with another, no American Indian tribe would do that, mix traditions with other tribes. You seem to mix religions, too.
You can learn, repent (my Christian upbringing is coming out :) and change your methods or you can lash out at those whose traditions you have trampled on. It is so easy for a majority to misuse a minority if they don't think anyone will ever notice . . .
Vance
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Shane Knox posted this seven times in a row. He is no more associated with that site. It now belongs to Ashley Camara — Photo & Graphic Services.
Shane Knox is as active now as he was 14 years ago, presently at this site:
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My goal is to INSPIRE people to find their greatest POTENTIAL and then to LIVE it.
I have brought a lifetime of study and practice into a set of sessions designed to help you:
Envision the life you want, remove the obstacles holding you back and empower yourself to start taking the steps necessary, to achieve the greatest sense of personal expression you have ever experienced.
This is my passion. This is my bliss.
I hope you will explore this site and discover why you have been led here. Find what resonates with you, what you can take from here to help yourself along your Spirits journey and let me know how I can help.
There is a site with a very similar URL to Shane Knox's former site: http://www.shamansshadow.com
There is another thread which deals with that site, and where Shane Knox is mentioned:
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=162.0 [Sacred Explorations.com — Rose Aleta Barbee]
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The URL of the quote went missing. It is: https://www.shaneknox.me/
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