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General => Non-Frauds => Topic started by: educatedindian on December 10, 2004, 02:33:53 am
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A message in our guestbook recently got me thinking. Like a lot of whites enamored of Nuage frauds, it was a very pollyanna sweetness and light kind of post, suggesting we try to be more positive. But underneath the fluff there was a good point.
We should try to steadily build up a list of books, websites, authors, musicians, organizations, etc, that each of us personally like or admire. Trish already has something like this on her site, but I hope we'll see each of us add to the list.
And for newcomers, esp whites or other outsiders who are curious or don't know, feel free to add or ask about titles author etc you've heard about.
My own recommends:
Authors- These are gonna be mostly history from me, naturally.
Vine Deloria (Lakota)-God Is Red, Red Earth White Lies, Custer Died for Your Sins
Phillip Deloria (Lakota)-Playing Indian
William McCullough-After the Trail of Tears
Clifford Trafzer-As Long as the Grass Grows and Rivers Flow. Landmark work, the first history survey book centered on NDN history.
Keith Basso-Wisdom Sits In Places. He's a white anthropologist with a good grasp of Apache ways of talking about history and land.
Tom Holm (Cherokee)-Strong Hearts Wounded Souls. Native vets of Vietnam, and the only book out there on Native vets I recommend without reservations.
Musicians-This is the funnest part of the list.
A Carlos Ortega-Apache blues/traditional
Floyd Westerman-Lakota country/folk/traditional
Sharon Burch-Navajo folk
Jerry Alfred-Dine rock/traditional. That's Dine of northern Canada, not Navajo, though the people are related.
Rollin Fox-Apache hip hop
Blackfire-truly asskickin Navajo metal/punk. W/the late great Joey Ramone guesting on vocals.
More later.
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I recommend Suzan Shown Harjo. So much better than a certain man who's so small and unworthy he's not even worth being mentioned or large enough to be noticed.
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For Musicians I reccommend Jim Boyd. He's a Colville Folk/Rock singer/songwriter. If you have seen Smoke Signals, you have heard Jim. And seen him, he's in one scene playing guitar.
I also reccomend Kieth Secola. Especially INDIAN KARZ!
And Blues Nation. Hope they crank out another CD!
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More books and authors:
Natives and Academics edited by Devon Mihesuah (Choctaw)-for anyone wondering why Native history gets treated the way it does.
Decolonization Methodologies by Linda Tuwahi Smith (Maori)-how to guide for anyone in academia trying to overcome the ways they treat Native history.
Dancing at Halftime-on the mascot issue, recommend it to anyone who just doesn't get why they're offensive.
More music-Robbie Robertson (Mohawk), esp his later stuff. Everything from folk rock to all kinds of traditional music, even sampling the latter into the former.
Walela (Cherokee)-traditional w/a strong dose of gospel
Activists and their sites-James Starkey. Yep, as obnoxious as he was to us when he was a member, I gotta admit I agree with almost everything else he argues on his site.
Honest Injun-by one of our own NAFPS members, with lots of good information on state recognition.
You Might Be a Twinkie If...-still pretty damned funny.
Spiritual Abusers Anonymous-recovering Nuagers's site, set up like a 12 step program.
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In the category of music there is also the great rock/blues group Indigenous (don't know if I spelled it right).
Even though they only did one tape, Without Reservation is a great Native rap group.
Hey someone mentioned Keith Secola, don't forget about his classic "Fry Bread"
A good non-fiction book is "Celluloid Indians" by Jacquelyn Kilpatrick. It is about the portrayal of Indians in movies since movies started.
Another is called "The Killing of Ned Christie: Cherokee Outlaw" by Bonnie Stahlman Speer. It is a good book but what is interesting about this book is a footnote in it. Christie was accused of killing US Marshall Maples. The footnote states that the site of what once was Maples' farm is now the corporate headquarters for Wal-Mart. Thats all it says but Speer nust have known about Wal-Marts uncanny knack for choosing ancient Indian burial sites for building thier stores (4 that I know of).
Joseph
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I would highly recommend "American Indian Contributions to the World: 15,000 Years of Inventions and innovations" by Emory Dean Keoke & Kay Marie Porterfield. Checkmark Books.
Ray Evans Harrell
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Well Ray,
I don't care what anybody says, driving down the road to get work or to the grocery store or wherever I still like to listen to Keith Secola. His music just makes me feel good. Nothing wrong with that the way I see it.
Joseph
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Joseph,
Nothing wrong with old art or new traditional crafts. Entertainment is rewarding, moving and relaxing. Art very often is disturbing because it is difficult to understand at first. I think of the Huichol sculptures that effected Jimmy Durham. Or the Bacon paintings that stirred Fritz Scholder. I have heard Indian people claim that Louis Ballard was not composing Indian music because the only "Indian" music was traditional powwow. Powwows are wonderful social festivals but there is little complex art there because it doesn't sell or trade. On the other hand Scholder's Wounded Knee painting and Ballard's Wounded Knee suite are wrenching contemporary Indian expressions of our feelings. Joe Geschick's "Going Back Song" haunts the people who see it because it is so real. Like the magnificent stage performances of Jane Lind, an international Aleut Artist recognized by Peter Brook and Andre Serban but too often ignored by our own people. She performed the Greek Trilogy as Clytemnestra at the Greek theater at Epidoris. She knows more of our traditions than most Medicine people that I have met and when they meet her they acknowledge it as well. But, instead of her working constantly, we see the entertainers and local people who know little. The last I heard, Tahlequah blew it when they could have had a great traditional Artist do their "Trail of Tears" show. I had hoped they would have made a good choice but..........! Art is brutal and demands both truth and exceptional maturity.
Entertainment is great and is commercial. Real art is very rarely commercial, whether Indian or European. Real Art makes you grow and see your world through a more true vision than you would normally achieve by yourself.
It was John Fire Lame Deer who said that "Artists are the Indians of the White World."
I agree with that. John Fire was one of my father's two Sundance teachers. My father knew great art as well. Great art is always complex and has problems to solve. Entertainment is relaxing.
donada gohv'i
Ray Evans Harrell
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For anyone getting discouraged: I did a search last night, "plastic shamans." Found so many good sources and so much evidence the word is getting out to many people.
Good links I found with like minded people-
Plastic Shaman Tribe
http://www.tribe.net/tribe/d06cceac-a52e-4d73-8df1-c7a808a77d69
A lot of good people at Occult Forums who appreciated what we do.
http://www.occultforums.com/archive/index.php/t-9079.html
"Captain Granny" and a pretty good set of links.
http://groups.msn.com/RNOCNEBIGathering/cowboysplayingindian.msnw
The second half of the article Plastic Shamans and Astroturf Sundances, on the left.
http://www.thefting.info/identity-theft/20257.html
Rise of the Whiteshaman 25 Years Later
http://oncampus.richmond.edu/faculty/ASAIL/SAIL2/142.html
What others can do instead of being Nuage.
http://wanderingnative.bravehost.com/pages/Shortresponse.html
A Nuage Recovery Page which lists looking for warnings on frauds as one of their steps.
http://www.sparklinglotusink.com/newagerecoverypage2.html
And a pagan glossary. I include this only because they're using the word plastic as an insult too, plastic witch, etc.
http://www.denelder.com/glossary/p.html
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http://www.4world.org
The Fourth World are a great bunch who've helped quite a bit, are very involved in repatriation issues with the Swedish museums and support for the Sammi people.
There´s a site with a similar address who are not part of the Fourth World, thefourthworld.com, which sells Native art and seems to be run by someone whose part of a "Feather Clan gathering". Vaguely Nuagey from what I can see.
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My favorite musicians are Kashtin and also John Trudell & Jerry Alfred and the Medicine Beat.
also:
this is a great link about MikMaq culture & languages for anyone interested in this nation.
http://www.nativelanguages.org/mikmaq_culture.htm
teaching the language and history. there is even an online talking dictionary, which is great. my grandmother grew up on a MikMaq reserve in Maria capes, Quebec. she remembers some of the language, but this is a great resource to learn how to speak some of the dialects in this language. I think that studying the true histories and languages are much more genuine and worthwhile than paying some Nuage phoney baloney to teach about "native" ways.
also forming correspondences and relationships with people and learning about their lives and their histories and whatever they want to share about themselves is great too, bringing us closer together.
yep, I know that some people sound "fluffy" and have a *naive* sort of sweetness about them and I admit I was one of these Pollyanna types lolll...but its good to learn and experience things and become the wiser through them. and its good to be positive and openhearted. that way, we learn what's what, who's who and if we carry RESPECT for all people and cultures and educate ourselves then we can be connected in a very good way despite our race and differences. there are many good and well meaning people in the world, but its good to get beyond yourself and know how your actions affect others!!!
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http://www.geocities.com/fakemedicinemen/
A lot of good links, articles, and advice on this site. It mostly focuses on avoiding sexual abuse by plastics, and how to recover from it.
The only thing I dont like is quoting from Ed McGaa´s book. And actually the advice itself is sound, but it could give people the false impression he´s not a fraud himself.
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Kehoe, Alice Beck. Shamans and Religion: An Anthropological Exercise in Critical Thinking. Prospect Heights, Illinois: Waveland Press. 2000. ISBN: 1-57766-162-1
An anthropologist's to-the-point introduction to the history of a Western fantasy. A century ago, Western spiritual types were enthralled by 'the mysterious Orient'. Nowadays they're mesmerised by tales of a new and equally invented Other: the shaman. Kehoe blows down shamanism's hippie-dippy funhouse, exposing its foundations: racism, lazy thinking and lazier scholarship.
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Some more music. Not Indian musicians as far as I know but I think the themes are relevant:
Pulp - Common People
The 90s Britpop smash: there's a hard-rockin' cover version on that William Shatner album 'Has Been' (yeah, I know: William Shatner and 'music' don't seem to go together, but give it a spin if you get the chance).
http://www.lyricsdepot.com/pulp/common-people-extended-lyrics.html
I took her to a supermarket
I don't know why, but I had to start it somewhere
So it started .... there
I said "Pretend you've got no money."
But she just laughed an said "Oh you're so funny."
I said "Yeah?
Well I can't see anyone else smiling in here...
Sing along with the common people
Sing along and it might just get you through
Laugh along with the common people
Laugh along even though they're laughing at you
And the stupid things that you do
Because you think that poor is cool.
The Maytals - My New Name
Classic ska from 1964: I always think of this song whenever I hear of yet another Chief Eagle Spider Crystal Dolphin Moon Hawk.
http://maytals.net/lyrics/080.html
Don't ask me how I got my name
I told you how I got my name
I got this name way back in Spain...
MC 900 ft Jesus with DJ Zero - Truth Is Out Of Style
Standout track from their 1990 album 'Hell With The Lid Off'. Contains samples of bizarre 'increase your psychic powers' records, and the video's hilarious. Look out for ear candles!
Can't find the lyrics online for this one:
I was on my way to work one day when I spied a rocket ship
Some aliens abducted me and took me on a trip
To a previous existence on another astral plane
And I met a real nice lady there named Shirley MaClaine
"Truth is not an obstacle for someone such as me," she said,
"Because, you see, we all create our own reality.
And if a problem should arise the best thing you can say
Is 'don't worry, be happy, and have a nice day!' "
I thanked her very kindly for the excellent advice
She said she'd bill me later at a reasonable price
Then the aliens brought me back and beamed me down into this bar
But I could not go to work because Bigfoot stole my car
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WHO IS AN "ELDER"?
Some thoughts on dreamkeepers.net from Harvey Arden:
I'm often asked how I "choose" the Elders, the Dreamkeepers, the Wisdomkeepers I have featured in my books and now on dreamkeepers.net.As a white man raised and educated in an urban society, it's not in my power to choose who is an indigenous Elder and who is not. There is no position of "Elder" in American society at large. We have "Senior Citizens"--of which I am now proud to be one--but no "Elders," in the sense of spiritual Elders respected and revered by their People, and given a central role in their Nation's ceremonial life and political decision-making.
When I first began this work in 1981, while still a staff writer for National Geographic Magazine, I had the idea of writing an article about Native American "Medicine Men" -- a common misnomer. But I soon found out, as I traveled among Indian communities - and I've visited more than a hundred since then -- that what I should be looking for was not "Medicine" (better translated as "Power") but "Wisdom"--another indefinable term, yet one that totally changed the focus of my search. I myself wanted no "Power" nor "powers" of any kind, but I did crave with all my soul this indefinable "Wisdom" that many Elders have generously shared with me and which I have tried, in turn, to share with as many others as possible in an age when that ancient yet thoroughly modern "Wisdom" may be the saving "Power" for all of humankind.
Early on in my travels, I had the great good fortune to meet Lakota (Sioux) Elder Mathew King-Chief Noble Red Man---and he explained the indigenous concept of Elder to me: "In our Way," Mathew told me, "the Elders give spiritual direction to the People. The wisdom of thousands of years flows through their lips. In our Way, when we grow old, we become Elders." And he spoke those words with a radiant pride. Then he looked at me, shaking his head sadly, and said: "In your way, Harvey; in white man's way; when you grow old; well; you just grow old..."
Another wonderful Elder, Onondaga Chief Louie Farmer, told me this: "You want to know who's a real 'Medicine Man'? Well, I'll tell you: He's the one who doesn't say 'I'm a medicine man.' He doesn't ask you to come to him. You've got to go and ask him. And you'll always find he's there among his own People. He doesn't go off to the city and open an office. Once a medicine man leaves his own territory, he loses most of his power. All the sacred plants he knows are where he comes from. He doesn't know the plants of other places. The Creator gave him his gift so he could help his own People, not somebody else. The people he's supposed to help are where he's from. So he stays home and helps them. That's who a real medicine man is."
http://dreamkeepers.net/3765/Elder/General_General.html
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I am reading a book I would reccomend to anyone. It is "on Behalf of the Wolf and First People" By Joseph Marshal III. There is one chapter that is worth the whole book. It is called Not All Indians Dance. It is about stereotypes that people have about Indian people. He is a good writer. My other favorite chapter is alled Indian Art and is about fraudulent art.
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Two recommendations I would make are Canadian. ? "Dancing with a Ghost" by Rupert Ross for reading ... and for music, Susan Aglukark http://www.susanaglukark.com/ ?
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Joy Harjo has both the poetry and recordings. Ulali, Annie Humphrey, Buffy St. Marie and Gordon Lightfoot are also good. frederica
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One category not mentioned here is that of film and movies. I highly recommend the movie: Atanarjuat
Atanarjuat is Canada's first feature-length fiction film written, produced, directed, and acted by Inuit peoples of Arctic Canada. The place is the eastern arctic wilderness at the dawn of the first millenium. Evil in the form of a mysterious, unknown shaman enters a small community of nomadic Inuit and upsets its balance and spirit of cooperation. The stranger leaves behind a lingering curse of bitterness and discord.
Atanarjuat gives international audiences a more authentic view of Inuit culture and oral tradition than ever before, from the inside and through Inuit eyes.
http://atanarjuat.com/index1.html
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Atanarjuat is a great film! My Inupiat friends especially liked it because they did not need to read the subtitles. :)
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hi there,
I was surprised to see a reference to Harvey Arden and his description of what he felt an Elder is. I don't take so much of an issue with what he says (or the people he quotes), but the way he goes about things. I have only read Dreamkeepers, and browsed Wisdomkeepers, but I do find him to be a bit of a pain. In my thesis I guess you could say he ranks relatively well, but then again I am writing about Lynn Andrews and Marlo Morgan and I'm calling him "less-bad".
However, I'm not sure what he does is entirely different to what Morgan and Andrews do. He travells to a far away place to gather "wisdom" from people he consistently constructs as noble savages. The title he gives these people "Dreamkeepers" is one he hopes will stick. It obviously comes out of the the white construct called "the Dreamtime", and the idea continues to be a white construct - a white construct for white people in fact. Dreamkeepers (and I suspect Wisdomkeepers) is written for white people, about Indigenous people - the communities where he found his informants I would doubt have much use for it, I doubt get any money out of it. He wrote as his dedication "This book is dedicated to the Aboriginal peoples of Australia, to Aboriginal peoples everywhere and the the Aboriginal in each of us' - it is the "Aboriginal in each of us" that I worry about - is this any different from white people's assertion to "walk the red road"? Or "I was called Cherokee Princess Eats too much Cake in a past life"?
Am interested to hear what people think. I thought My Life is my Sundance was good - but he's certainly used the name he got from that to buy himself leverage.
Cheers
Liam
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I have some of the same reservations as you do. I have questioned him about some of his choices and gotten a basic non-answer. I believe he is well intentioned, but misguided.
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I would recommend "Stolen continents-conquest and resistance in the Americas" By Ronald Wright.
Marlene
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One category not mentioned here is that of film and movies. I highly recommend the movie: Atanarjuat
Atanarjuat is Canada's first feature-length fiction film written, produced, directed, and acted by Inuit peoples of Arctic Canada. The place is the eastern arctic wilderness at the dawn of the first millenium. Evil in the form of a mysterious, unknown shaman enters a small community of nomadic Inuit and upsets its balance and spirit of cooperation. The stranger leaves behind a lingering curse of bitterness and discord.
Atanarjuat gives international audiences a more authentic view of Inuit culture and oral tradition than ever before, from the inside and through Inuit eyes.
http://atanarjuat.com/index1.html
I've not seen this one but now I will. What you say about it brings to mind another film I like, called Map of the Human Heart (http://imdb.com/title/tt0104812/).
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Tansi;
One book, which I read many years ago and found to be very interesting, is "Indian Givers: How the Indians of the Americas transformed the World." It is by Jack Weatherford, ISBN 04409904962.
Has anyone else read this?
Ric
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One book, which I read many years ago and found to be very interesting, is "Indian Givers: How the Indians of the Americas transformed the World." It is by Jack Weatherford, ISBN 04409904962.
I read both this and "Native Roots: How the Indians Enriched America" and I think they are highly recommendable, as they offer a perspective usually neglected - on purpose - and therefore are much more than just interesting to read.
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Two old punk tunes:
DOA: "New Age"
New age, I don't believe you, I thought you were talkin' about something new.
New age, I'm gonna destroy you, after what you put me through.
Dead Kennedys: "California Über Alles"
Zen fascists will control you
100% natural
You will jog for the master race
And always wear the happy face :)
These songs aren't about plastic shamans particularly, but they work for me and that's what's important!
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My niece loaned me a book she read for a university class. It is Halfbreed by Maria Campbell and it is about the Metis people of Canada.
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Tansi;
Maria Campbell is a very well respected Metis person, who has been active in many ways, for several decades. She has written other books, which include some of our Oral traditional stories, as well as a fair amount about our Culture.
The book, Halfbreed, actually broke down the "Buckskin Curtain" which brought the Metis into the knowledge of non-native people, in the late 1960's. Prior to her writing this autobiographical book, the Metis were just Canada's "forgotten people."
Maria is still very active in research and promoting our Culture.
Ric
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Ric,
I am glad to hear this. I hope to read more of her books since my husband's father's side has Metis lineage. His father was from the Turtle Mountain rez in North Dakota.
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Tansi;
As many Metis people fled to places such as Turtle Mountain, following the Red River "Rebellion" in 1870, there became a vibrant Metis community there, which was Respected by, and showed Respect for, the First Nation people who were also there. While some of them returned to Canada, following the amnesty, in 1871, many did not trust the Canadians and remained, where they still recognize their Metis Heritage.
Ric
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This may not be a place for a newbie to jump in but how about Farley Mowat?
:)
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MOwat doesn't seem like a good choice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farley_Mowat
"The Toronto Star has written that Mowat's memoirs are at least partially fictional. In a 1968 interview with CBC Radio, Farley admitted that he doesn't let the facts get in the way of the truth (Canada Reads). Once, when Mowat said that he has spent two summers and a winter studying wolves, the Toronto Star wrote that Mowat had only spent 90 hours studying the wolves. This hurt Mowat's reputation badly.
An article in the May, 1996 issue of Saturday Night written by John Goddard lays out a somewhat more in-depth criticism of Farley's celebrated works, especially Never Cry Wolf. As a result of these kinds of persistent and recurring claims, it's difficult to say with authority whether some of Farley's books, billed by many as non-fiction, are just that."
http://www.salon.com/people/bc/1999/05/11/mowat/index1.html
"Wrote Goddard: "Documents recently made public at the National Archives of Canada, and papers that the author himself sold years ago to McMaster University, show that Mowat did not spend two years in the Keewatin District in 1947 and 1948 as the books say. He spent two summer field seasons in the district -- totaling less than six months -- and mostly in a more southern part of the district than he describes. He did not casually drop in alone but traveled on both occasions as a junior member of well-planned scientific expeditions. He did not once -- contrary to the impression he leaves -- see a starving Inuit person. He did not once set foot in an Inuit camp. As for the authenticity of his wolf story, he virtually abandoned his wolf-den observations after less than four weeks."
The article reported that residents of the Northwest Territories often refer to Farley Mowat by the derisive nickname "Hardly Know-it." After noting the claims of scrupulous authenticity Mowat made within the books themselves, Goddard described a very different Mowat attitude displayed in notes and conversation. "I never let the facts get in the way of the truth," Goddard claims Mowat told him. Goddard also came across Mowat's self-proclaimed motto in a catalog of the author's papers: "On occasions when the facts have particularly infuriated me, Fuck the Facts!"
....Critics pointed out that similar accusations had been made before, notably by Frank Banfield of the Canadian Wildlife Federation in a 1964 article published in the Canadian Field-Naturalist. Banfield compared Mowat's 1963 bestseller to another famous wolf tale: "Little Red Riding Hood." "I hope that readers of "Never Cry Wolf" will realize that both stories have about the same factual content," Banfield wrote.
Sure, sure, replied the FOFs (Friends of Farley). That's the secret of his charm. Wrote one correspondent to Saturday Night: "There is more truth in one of his outrageous exaggerations than in a shelf-load of pretentious twaddle." A news story quoted naturalist and author Stuart Houston: "Anyone who knows Farley knows that he has a difficult time understanding where truth ends and his imagination begins ... and we love him for it." Mowat must have been touched -- it was the kind of stirring endorsement that his heirs could use to dispute his will.
"The primary consideration for a writer is to entertain," Goddard quotes Mowat as saying. "Using entertainment you can then inform, you can propagandize, you can elucidate ... As far as I'm concerned 'People of the Deer' did nothing but good for individual people, the survivors ... Nobody was going to pay any attention to them unless their situation was dramatized, and I dramatized it."
The pro-Mowat camp succeeded in pointing out that Goddard's attack overreached on some charges and inappropriately downplayed very real problems the Inuit faced. But many of Goddard's claims, among them that Mowat demonized the federal government and significantly distorted the official attitude toward both wolves and Inuit, went unanswered. More fundamentally, Mowat's reputation as a nonfiction writer was compromised, perhaps permanently.
Permanently, like a life sentence for murder. Three years later, few traces of the 1996 Saturday Night shootout are evident. Online reviews and biographies rarely mention the controversy, which apparently went largely unnoticed outside of Canada anyway. In the end, John Goddard appears to have been Farley Mowat's very own Gennifer Flowers. Charges were made, much harrumphing ensued, the charges remained unchallenged and no harm was done. Onward and upward for Slick Farley.
But some readers, particularly historians, will not forget so easily. The University of Toronto's Michael Bliss called the fudging "utterly appalling," while the University of Alberta's Rod Macleod suggested that those who lie for a good cause ultimately do that cause "more harm than good." But if the tempest has had any lasting effect for most Mowat readers, it seems to have been this: They identified what they valued about his writing and found themselves agreeing with the author's contention that, while they may fall short as history, his stories survive as ripping yarns that serve a greater good."
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Tansi;
I have to agree with Al about Farley Mowat. His writing is entertaining, but is not good for learning about Cultural issues and realities (or any other realities for that matter). He would often take stories that he heard from other people, and make them sound as if he was the main character in them.
Ric
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Tansi;
I would like to recommend another Metis author, Howard Adams, who was very active in trying to promote Metis and Aboriginal Rights.
Two of his books are "Prison of Grass" Canada from a native point of view, ISBN 0887702112 and "A Tortured People" the politics of colonization, ISBN 0919441777.
Since Howard's death on his 80th birthday, a book about him, entitled "Howard Adams OTAPAWY" has been edited by Hartmut Lutz, Murray Hamilton and Donna Heimbecker, ISBN 0920915744.
Ric
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Thanks for the heads-up! I'd heard some of the critisisms (sp) before, tho not to that extent. It's difficult to sort out government denials from truth a lot of the time. You'll be happy to know I read his books more in the vein of Canada's policies concerning the inuit peoples rather than "gospel" which lead me to Nunatsiaq News an the circumpolar conference stuff.
Nunanni's editorials in the archives in Nunatsiaq News opened a small window on northern culture, an actually helped me understand what I was seeing when I finally got to see "Fastrunner".
It was sort of a trail of breadcrumbs.
:)
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Tansi;
In relation to Intellectual Property Rights and Aboriginal knowledge of plants and many of legal issues related to them, I would like to recommend a book called "Global Biopiracy" (Patents, Plants, and Indigenous Knowldege) by Ikechi Ngbeoji ISBN 0-7748-1153-6
It is published by: UBC Press
The University of British Columbia
2029 West Mall
Vancouver, B.C.
(604) 822-5959 / fax (604) 822-6083
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Thank you. That is a really beautiful thing you just did.
Really...thank you.
Peace.
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Tansi;
A good resource for research, for Metis lineage, is "Geneology of the First Metis Nation," by D.N. Sprague and R.P. Frye, which is published by Pemmican Publishing, in Manitoba.
I would give the ISBN, but we have lent this book out and do not have a copy, on hand.
Especially since there are a number of highly suspect people, claiming to be Metis, this would be a good resource to use, in "fraudbusting".
Ric
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hi there,
I was surprised to see a reference to Harvey Arden and his description of what he felt an Elder is. I don't take so much of an issue with what he says (or the people he quotes), but the way he goes about things. I have only read Dreamkeepers, and browsed Wisdomkeepers, but I do find him to be a bit of a pain. In my thesis I guess you could say he ranks relatively well, but then again I am writing about Lynn Andrews and Marlo Morgan and I'm calling him "less-bad".
However, I'm not sure what he does is entirely different to what Morgan and Andrews do. He travells to a far away place to gather "wisdom" from people he consistently constructs as noble savages. The title he gives these people "Dreamkeepers" is one he hopes will stick. It obviously comes out of the the white construct called "the Dreamtime", and the idea continues to be a white construct - a white construct for white people in fact. Dreamkeepers (and I suspect Wisdomkeepers) is written for white people, about Indigenous people - the communities where he found his informants I would doubt have much use for it, I doubt get any money out of it. He wrote as his dedication "This book is dedicated to the Aboriginal peoples of Australia, to Aboriginal peoples everywhere and the the Aboriginal in each of us' - it is the "Aboriginal in each of us" that I worry about - is this any different from white people's assertion to "walk the red road"? Or "I was called Cherokee Princess Eats too much Cake in a past life"?
Am interested to hear what people think. I thought My Life is my Sundance was good - but he's certainly used the name he got from that to buy himself leverage.
Cheers
Liam
Is This the same Harvey Arden ? I got this email in my mail box and found it strange its addresses "To harveyarden" and not my account as you see below. I don't know how I got signed up for the advertisements, never heard of Harvey Arden until I got the email and looked the name up here.
From: "Harvey Arden" <harveyarden@starpower.net>
To: harveyarden@starpower.net
Subject: ~"Wisdom isn't something you think. Wisdom is something you DO!"~
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:01:55 -0500
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From the desk of Harvey Arden
Founder: ~The Wisdomkeepers Collective ~ "Bringing the Elders to the World & the World to the Elders"
Author: WISDOMKEEPERS: Meetings with Native American Spiritual Elders
DREAMKEEPERS: A Spirit-Journey into Aboriginal Australia
NOBLE RED MAN: Lakota Wisdomkeeper Mathew King
TRAVELS IN A STONE CANOE: The Return to the Wisdomkeepers
~HAVE YOU THOUGHT of LEONARD PELTIER LATELY?~
Editor: PRISON WRITINGS: MY LIFE IS MY SUN DANCE by Leonard Peltier
WHITE BUFFALO TEACHINGS by Chief Arvol Looking Horse
VOICE OF THE HAWK ELDER by Seneca Wisdomkeeper Edna Gordon
From Amazon.com reviews of WISDOMKEEPERS--A Modern Classic Just Reissued:
Should be required reading
Reviewer: Camilla L Riley (Stillwater, OK)
This is a book of incredible beauty - linguistically, visually, and spiritually. In an era which seems to skew more and more to the material and superficial, the Wisdomkeepers who are interviewed bring life and its challenges to the level of essence. Although I have walked in the daily company of Native Americans for more than fifty years, my understanding of the nobility of heritage and centered life grew immeasurably with the reading of every page. Anyone who passes this one up will be the lesser for doing so.
it's an experience,a journey,words cannot describe this book, Reviewer: A reader
I have recommended this book to anyone I know that is on a path of awakening and can hear the words with their heart. I have given this book as gifts numerous times, but I cannot find it anymore which saddens me. I would love to turn the world on to this book as it so beautifully depicts our Native Americans - OUR indigenous people. This book does justice to Native Americans which they so very much deserve. Thank you to Steve Wall and Harvey Arden - you have touched my life with this richly textured and moving piece. No words can express the power behind the span of the eagle's wings, the depth of wisdom of a redwood forest or the joy inside to which this book has brought me. My hope is that this book only continues to educate and enlighten us about the Native American culture - tribe after tribe, generation after generation.
Just reissued by Atria/Simon & Schuster. 34% OFF at Amazon.com
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An indispensable modern classic.
“Wisdom isn’t something you think .
Wisdom is something you DO!???
--Mathew King, Chief Noble Red man
Book Description
Wisdomkeepers takes you on an extraordinary spiritual journey into the lives, minds, and natural-world philosophy of Native American spiritual elders. The elders tell who they are, how they live, and what they believe. Magnificent portraits complement the soaring text. Among those profiled are Buffalo Jim, a Seminole who describes the Seminole story of creation as if the Everglades were Eden, talks of his people’s individual passage into the after life, and reveals that every field of wild plants is, to him, a medicine garden. You’ll also meet "Uncle" Frank Davis (Fancy Warrior), a Pawnee Elder who describes the "path to understanding" as a trail filled with scraps of paper, each one a piece of a puzzle. Also profiled is Mathew King, a Lakota who warns of punishments for those who would destroy the Earth Mother. Readers share the innermost thoughts and feelings, dreams and visions, laughter, healing remedies, and prophecies of the Wisdomkeepers, whose humanity shines through every page.
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NOBLE RED MAN:
LAKOTA WISDOMKEEPER MATHEW KING
--Compiled and Edited by Harvey Arden
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not unlike Conversations with God....
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