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Shane Norte, Church of People for Creator & Mother Earth NO LONGER A CONCERN
Smart Mule:
Doing a business search for CHURCH OF THE PEOPLE FOR CREATOR AND MOTHER EARTH here https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/CBS/Detail brings up the incorporation information for Norte's church which is located on the land of the La Jolla Band of Luiseño Indians/La Jolla Reservation.
DoctorLao:
Dear educatedindian, please accept my profuse thanks.
FIRST for having kindly mended that egregious spelling blunder of mine in this thread's title - with apologies if I deduce erroneously (I welcome correction).
2ND for your considered advisory based on indications gathered, that Norte (at least) "is who he says he is" -
--- Quote from: educatedindian on October 14, 2021, 10:19:36 pm ---The big concerns would be if he is who he says he is. He clearly is Native, enrolled. There's no sign I can see of him doing anything for profit, no seeking out people to charge.
He is promoting psilocybin, shrooms in slang terms, for healing and spiritual use. He doesn't seem to be operating a drug church using the cover or religion to get high and avoid getting charged or jailed for being a drug dealer (unsuccessfully) like we see with James Mooney and Oklehuevah. (Mooney is also an imposter posing as Native.)
In this reply I feel I must limit myself to ^ your first 2 paragraphs. I base that on my own consideration of a rather unforgiving density of detailed info (directly pertinent) and staggering complexity of issues it spells out (to me).
The issues I realize - discover (as I might say) - are mostly concealed below surface view. Like 90% of an iceberg's mass (i.e. hazard). But they're clearly revealed as I find by an intensive process of peeling back layers.
I’m glad to gather from you, and others here, a credibly informed sense that Norte is no ‘pretendian.’
I say that as an American of (mostly) European descent. As such I recuse myself from trying to assess authenticity of anyone's tribal affiliations or native identity. I regard those questions culturally 'out of bounds' for me.
This is why I'm so grateful for NAFPS and input from participants here. I have no ‘ownership’ of those issues, nor competence to assess them based in life experience that I haven't had. Unlike those of native identity and upbringing who can speak with a kind of authority recognizable to me (which I lack).
Regardless how profound my concerns, my strengths lie elsewhere. For example, knowing about these mushrooms, as a fungal biology "phd+" (a 'double aught' specialist).
I can only agree (unimportantly) as to what "big concerns" those are, with one caveat perhaps. In my scope they are, as I’d phrase it, AMONG big concerns (in fine distinction from "The" big concerns).
Not to fuss over a grammatical detail (the determinate article). But neither to exclude or overlook other big concerns that I (at least) consider part and parcel. Especially ones within my competent scientific reach and from there - by simple humanity of being.
As ties in-sidiously (thank you again) I’m so glad - bordering on relieved - that you’ve brought up Jimmy “Flimflamming Eagle’ Mooney and (shudder) Oklehuevah (ONAC). Why? For reasons horribly (but deeply and directly) related - of latest developments snowballing atrociously.
Cut to the chase:
Exhibit in evidence (Dec 22, 2020): New Hampshire Union Leader (newspaper) [ https://archive.is/BwvGi ]. The following is editorially adapted from the news feature "NH Supreme Court rules in favor of religious freedom to use psychedelic mushrooms"
The NH Supreme Court [reversed] the 2018 conviction of a (NH) resident for possession of psilocybin mushrooms, ruling that the conviction conflicts with the Native American-based religion he practices.
In its unanimous ruling, the four sitting justices said [the state] Constitution’s right of religion… requires a stricter balancing test in cases of religious use of illegal drugs.
Jeremy D. Mack practiced a shamanic Earth-based religion [and had] joined a branch of the Oklevueha Native American Church in 2017 [the “Oratory of Mystical Sacraments” apparently a magic mushroom dealership masquerading as a “church” that holds no services – under the ONAC ‘umbrella’]
The church issued [i.e. sold] Mack a membership card, which allowed him to ingest the mushrooms sacramentally.
You heard about this? You know about this? Less than a year ago.
If I understand what I read it seems these powdered wigs of the NH Supreme Court's miscarriage of justice - with all the power they wield against principle - decided they'd unanimously ensure no infringement of - the 'right' of this (despicable to put it nicely) OMS “church.”
How? By bestowing legally unbinding approval for charlatans like "Flaming Ego" Mooney and his subscribers to defecate on rights of downtrodden indigenous peoples - by this shabby grab by ONAC (and subsidiary OMS) - of the Native American Church aegis and name - without shame, knowing neither principle nor remorse (much less conscience or humanity).
Sorry about my intemperate language. As a hostage member of the conquistador race by simple twist of ancestry I feel not just shame but outrage at a strangulating burden of complicity wily-nily - crushing me under with its weight.
I don't like this.
Another abrogation of indigenous rights. The very thing for which OMS proudly stands (apparently a magic mushroom dealership masquerading as a 'church' that holds no services), in league with its 'protective parent’ this contemptibly fraudulent ONAC.
Here's an inspiring bit of news detail from the article (are mine the only nostrils the stench of this assails?):
The Court cited an 1896 ruling in recognition of < a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of [one’s] own conscience… provided he doth not disturb the public peace or disturb others in their religious freedom [nor] affect the rights of others >.
This Court’s concept of the rights and freedom of others (lest they be disturbed) must not apply to Native American peyotists apparently.
As you well know educatedindian, NAC’s conscientious outrage over remorseless thefts of their Church’s hard won rights and name by non-Natives - for personal profiteering and commercial branding purposes - is a matter of deep record and longstanding calls for - (how unpleasantly ironic) justice.
NAC’s National Council - Feb 8, 2016 (I regret the lack of mushroom mention):
“illegitimate organizations comprised of non-Native people are now claiming that marijuana, ayahuasca and other substances are part of Native American Church theology and practice. Nothing could be further from the truth.” (reference NAFPS thread http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=253.60 )
With such developments unfolding, I personally despair.
I can only conclude these are discouraging times. Except for profiteering interests of crass exploitation, like cashing in on magic mushrooms but spiritually - and calling ‘dibs’ on NAC to justify it. Now ratified by a state supreme court precedent.
Many are being ‘inspired’ to create their own ‘Church’ businesses, in a climate wide open to predatory interests in such opportunity and encountering little if any resistance (no boundaries). Today's brave new psychedelic intents and purposes are paving everything in their path as they claim what is theirs as entitled.
I'm at least relieved to think Norte's is not a crass cha-ching operation (despite myriad other indications of profound concern).
There seems to be no accountability. The pattern is pervasive. How does a society accept responsibility for such circumstances with the condition our condition is in? How can it?
Thank you again for kindly shedding light only you and others of native experience and cultural identity can shed for me.
I wish I could do anything remotely equivalent in reciprocity.
The best I seem able to do is - to gather the best-advised, most competently informed perspective I can on - (metaphorically speaking) what "soylent green" is made of.
(REFERENCE: NH State Supreme Court's travesty of justice: unanimous ruling tramples Native American Church efforts to protect Indian traditions & preserve their heritage from fraudulent claims upon them (ONAS): victory for the master race's 'right' of cultural appropriation masquerading as 'religious freedom' (Dec 24, 2020) https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/kjenm1/nh_state_supreme_courts_travesty_of_justice/
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Sparks:
--- Quote from: Sparks on October 14, 2021, 07:45:25 pm ---https://churchofthepeopleforcreatorandmotherearth.com/
This is where we can find out most about Shane Norte’s claims and ambitions. Unfortunately, red letters on black are almost impossible to read (for me); I’ll have to copy the text into a word processor and look more closely at it.
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I did just that, and I quote everything on that front page (most of it unreadable on site), with typos and everything:
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About
IT ALL STARTED WHEN…
I was offered medicine “ I can just say that it makes your prayers real…like God can hear you”. Angel Wilson. That right there is all I needed to hear to explore the different dimensions. My whole life I have been waiting to hear those words '“GOD HEARS YOU” and here we are Church “OTPFCME”.
Mission
We are 501(c)3organization state registered church at the Church of the People for Creator and Mother Earth we seek to teach and to inspire the uttermost respect amongst each and for the spaces we occupy as Native People. This church is based out of the La Jolla Indian Reservation near Palomar Mountain. Our goal is to rejuvenate old lost ways of ceremony and worship and to provide a safe space for ceremony and to heal with the changing of times and adapting to the new days for the people. We also wish to establish beautiful communities again based off of new and old ways to which our ancestors used to live here in balance with Creator and Mother Earth.
Goals
01. TO RE-ESTABLISH OUR WHOLENESS AS NATIVE COMMUNITIES AN BUILD WITH EACH OTHER FOR A NEW IDENTITY OF THE NATIVE PEOPLE OF TOMORROW.?–
Today, Native American communities are not as whole as they once were. Tribes lack a spiritual understanding of the land they walk on and the creations that co exist with them. Yes there are some tribes that have better situations but that does not mean we can not help one another. We help each other here and try our best to become better people for tomorrow and aid those in the same.
02. CREATE SAFE PLACES OF WORSHIP FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO TAKE MEDICINES AND HEAL. TO RE-ESTABLISH OUR OWN CONNECTION WITH CREATOR AND MOTHER EARTH PERSONALLY AND AS A TRIBE.?–
Because of what has happend to Natives in the past, a-lot of our way of worship has been lost. In todays times we need safe places to worship on reservations. We also need to work with tribal council’s so that they may protect their peoples right to pray on their own land how they choose. Build with the people and create a good community based off plant healing and ceremony. Here at Church “OTPFCME” we provide that safe space. Now is the perfect time to reconnect back to Creator and Mother Earth while we can as tribes.
03. BRING BACK SPIRITUAL LEADERS AND HEALERS. WORK WITHIN AND WITHOUT THE TRIBAL GOVERNMENTS. FOCUS ON DECOLONIZING TECHNIQUES TO RE-ESTABLISH A ORGANIC DIET, CLEAN WATER, AIR, NEW SOCIAL STRUCTURES FOR OUR REZERVATIONS.?–
Through trauma, colonization, technological and materialistic age some of our people have forgot who we trully are. A-lot of the origanal diet was lost when lands were taken or sold leaving us to whatever the government gave us. Within the destruction of Mother Earth the water, air, and land have been compromised. Todays social structure and how the people interact with each other is not our ways. We need to start working towards building more personal communities based off healing and cermoney.
04. TO PASS THIS KNOWLEDGE ON TO OUR CHILDREN AND TO PRESERVE THESE WAYS FOR THOSE NOT BORN YET AND FOR THOSE STILL NEEDING TO LEARN THESE SACRED WAYS. ?–
Today on reservations there are no spiritual schools to teach our children about the sacred knowledge our ancestors had. Besides the families or individuals who practice in secret or private. We want to have a safe place for all of our children to grow spiritualy, mentally, and physically. But most reservations today really don’t provide spaces like this such as the Church “OTPFCME”. We strive to work for our children and to provide these sacred spaces for they are our future so lets teach them right and build them up to be strong and humble beings of this Earth.
“IN TODAYS CONFUSION IT’S THE BEST TIME FOR US NATIVES TO REUNITE AN SAVE THE LAND WE HAVE LEFT AND LOCK DOWN WITH THOSE FIGHTING FOR THEIRS”
SHANE NORTE | FOUNDER
History
My journey started when I got kicked out of my house and dropped out of college. I was offered some medicine by my brother and said it helps with prayer and makes them seem real. He offered me some free medicine and within that moment of experience I was humbled an figured out what it was that I had to do while I can. So on my journey in San Diego I came across a now good brother of mine who mentioned to me that a big movement was going to happen with some Apaches in Az. So after his advice I drove my car, never left the state and jammed on my way to Az. When I arrived it was a crisp cool morning on the San Carlos Apache Reservation, I thought I was lost or had missed the march but I ended up being led to the right place. I got out looking around trying to figure out my environment and their it began to piece itself together. Within that moment I had met a good brother of mine Wendsler Noise Sr. of the Bendokahe Isstinaiye Clan of The Chiricahua Apache. There he asked me to help him lead his people and those joining us on the sacred walk to Chi Chil Bildagoteel also known as Oak Flat which is under destruction by a foreign mining company Rio Tinto of Resolution Copper. After long nights of Praying and Ceremony I headed back to Cali only to return…
So after I got more supplies I drove back to Oak Flat to return to ceremony with the Apache-Stronghold. Within holy ground Wendsler and I prayed and he gave me one of the sacred staffs that was used on the 2 day, 45 mile sacred march to Oak Flat. From there I began my journey of reconnecting back to the Creator and Mother Earth. The movement to protect Oak Flat and all sacred sites started to gain momentum. From there we traveled all over the country and out to meet with over 500 tribes in the U.S. Gained serious movement with senator Bernie Sanders who was a co-signer to a bill which the Apache Stronghold Introduced and it became an International fight. Find more about it at Apache-Stronghold.com.
Within those days of the past a huge event known as Standing Rock occurred. This movement sparked a-lot of gathering and a-lot of confusion amongst the Natives and non Native communities. It ended up not in favor of the Natives of North Dakotas but it was a beautiful display of what can happen when we come together over not only fighting for the water but also the Creator and Mother Earth. From there I came back and started living here on the lands of my ancestors. Within that time I lost my father to cancer and that took me for a little spin and brought me closer to Creator and Mother Earth. After the passing of my father I got involved with my relatives in Oklahoma who are part of NAC Native American Church who use holy sacrament of peyote to heal and pray. They helped me put up a lodge and from there I began another journey to healing. After that It came to me that I need to get a space for worship and healing not only for myself and family but for the whole of our people.
Once I got reconnected here on the land the creations of those mountains let me know what was going on and said to me that we need to clean our house, someone is in your house meaning spiritual house. I got realigned with the sacred medicine that I had started with on this journey. Within that time from 2017-2020 I have really built up my Wamkish and started praying not only for myself and family but the whole of the Planet. Since then, people have been showing up all around the country to come and pray to Creator and Mother Earth. In that time I also started the Church “OTPFCME” and recently had invited the Co-founder Carlos Plazola of the Decriminalize Nature Oakland, who helped pass unanimously the Decriminalization of Ethenogenic plants including fungi to come and pray at my church. I have also included both my councils from both of my tribes in supporting our efforts to heal. Beautiful times are ahead, thanks for supporting Church “OTPFCME”. May we unite and fight for what is right and have a beautiful future for our children and the whole of the planet. Blessings to all from Creator and Mother Earth.
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DoctorLao:
Dear Sparks, I’m so thankful for your interest. And I highly value your input and perspective (!).
Not to mention this lightning bolt assistance with the Testament of Shane Norte, as posted at his church website, that you linked to this page - first - observing:
< red letters on black are almost impossible to read (for me) >
And then quoted as you have now (complete). And in so doing, made wonderfully easy reading - out of hard.
“The fruit of the poor lemon is impossible to eat” as a song has it. But (lyrical oversight?) - it makes good lemonade. And I am refreshed.
It’s wonderful you’ve helpfully retrieved Norte’s narrative from its ‘red on black’ eyestrain. And have now reproduced it here for reference (“tonight, for the first time anywhere”) - in less visually merciless form.
The quality of mercy neither knows any strain, nor inflicts any AFAIK.
But the red-on-black ‘squint graphics’ web design made an arduous struggle (either needlessly, or …?) torturous almost, to just try and read.
As you first reflected:
< most of it unreadable on site >
And now, have corrected.
What’s daunting to just try reading, as offered - isn’t very conducive either (bordering on inhospitable) to the prospect of any closer, more careful look.
And pausing to reflect:
If I had some typically spell-casting narrative for soliciting attention, to gather myself a little following (for 'uniting' with a great big one, of the fellow right-minded) - it occurs to me: I might consider a need to minimize risk of drawing not only moths to my flame - but also possible ‘wrong’ type notice to what I’m doing and how (for my self-interest). I doubt I'd want any ‘smart aleck’ taking any closer, more intensive look at my sermon - on doubt (not faith). And not just skepticism, maybe downright suspicion. What a dilemma, nothing new as such. But as a tactical matter, I wonder how I might go about - attracting right type attention, while also repelling any wrong kind - all in the same stroke.
Stepping back from that interlude (through the looking glass) into this real world X-file:
I wonder (not on idle curiosity) why anyone with an ostensibly important message as Norte’s would - in the act of cordially inviting whoever to read - make it so difficult to do so?
For starters.
Second, in general (and regardless of rhyme or reason why) – categorically:
Who does that?
Disclaimer (the bias of my investigate perspective):
Needles so easily hidden in a proverbial haystack (of ‘spiritual’ verbiage) can be just as hard to find - famously so. Even under best conditions i.e. ON alert to the fact (or likelihood) of a needle in there somewhere. Much less OFF alert, neither knowing nor perhaps (at worst) even suspecting.
That goes double in absence of an adequate ‘needle search image’ - what to be 'on lookout' for, and how to recognize it (on sight).
Forensic ? considerations - made ? spiritual:
“They come unto us all blessings, with fleece as white as snow - actually whiter (radiantly blinding enough to make Mary’s Little Lamb look like Bah Bah Black Sheep). But that’s on the outside “for sake of appearances.” Inwardly they’re more like wolves - predators not prey species” (an ancient verse out of someone’s bible - freely paraphrased).
I figure, they fool “some of the people some of the time.” Not everybody always and forever.
Besides, fleece is "only skin deep." There’s other stuff that goes “to the bone.”
And hence there can be little ‘moments of truth.’
The ‘fake brushstrokes’ in a ‘rare Rembrandt’ for sale @ ‘bargain price’ aren’t what its solicitor directs a potential buyer’s attention to. And they would generally go without being seen, maybe not even checked for - except by some 'smart aleck' with a microscope (and a Hoyle's Pocket Guide To Brush Strokes Of The Masters).
Likewise with anything in “sheep’s clothing,” the ‘zipper’ down the back isn’t the ‘show’ feature.
It’s the ‘tell.’
Aka ‘the devil in the detail.’
Aided now by your yeoman duty Sparks (so well done, thank you) I'm picking out a passage from Norte's website 'testimony' you've retrieved from its original eyestrain hazard, and brought here. Not in order to 'open that' in this reply. Rather, to just offer some preview sense of where exactly I find the worst most troubling indications arise - the 'end zone' I'll need to work my way toward.
(In this reply, I'll begin with two lower intensity 'first degree' questions - one already posed: the Unsolved "Why" Mystery of this red-on-black eyeball scrambler presentation - after posting the following passage).
I've CAPITALIZED 3 select bits in this brief passage of ‘high’ alert (5 alarm) status, as recognizable to me - if only based on a modified ‘Howard Baker Watergate standard’ - “what I know and how I know it" (feeling like I walk on some tightrope 'between humility and hubris'). 'These 'highest' alert notes, as I'd rank them, might not be recognizable as such ‘red flags' minus a certain depth of background study, knowledge and familiarity with a deep, dark ‘big picture’ context - nothing indigenous, rather the ‘psychedelic underworld’ (as I encounter it).
Here's where ‘red alert’ signaled for me in Norte’s exposition reaches its ‘5 alarm’ peak:
In that time I also started the Church... and recently had invited the Co-founder CARLOS PLAZOLA of the DECRIMINALIZE NATURE OAKLAND, who helped pass unanimously the Decriminalization of Ethenogenic [sic: ENTHEOGENIC] plants, including fungi, to come and pray at my church.
In my scope, that passage ^ stands as the innermost ‘last layer’ to peel back. For methodical questioning, it can figure like a course heading and final destination. By English lit analogy: Colonel Kurtz’ outpost in Conrad’s HEART OF DARKNESS.
Now, having 'advance spotlighted' that passage (as a preview) - I need to begin at the entrance to this maze, with lightest shades - mere ‘pink’ alert. Once again with help of your input, backtracking to your first reply:
< The YouTube channel is "Shane Micheal (sic) (not Michael):
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgM32Up50z8kXrjhqza2Gow >
Thank you for that spelling correction. Not only does it put my mistake right, it trains a spotlight upon this ‘Shane Micheal’ channel - and name.
I can't help but notice: all the vids uploaded by “Shane Micheal” (12 total by my count) feature Shane Norte, his narrative and scenes in which he centrally figures.
One might almost think - at whatever peril - that there logically might (must?) be two Shanes. If so, the first name match would logically constitute mere random coincidence.
Yet if that were the case, I’d expect some variability in vid subject matter and content. And that I'm not seeing.
That every “S. Micheal” uploaded vid is instead another edition of the “Shane Norton Show” sure beats the hell out of odds I'd set (if I were a gambler) - maybe defies them.
For the explanatory scenario of two persons, both represented by their real names - vs just one (Norte, using 'alternate' last names) - it would all strike me as ‘too coincidental to be coincidence.’
Between first name match, and the vid content being solely Norte activities I can only tentatively conclude by deduction - subject to contrary evidence (if any) - that channel uploader ‘Shane Micheal’ is none other than Norte. The inference - hypothetical (pending further evidence) - almost draws itself. Without a brain cell of mine having to lift a finger.
The seeming strangeness of this apparent staging (as I might interpret it) provokes curiosity (a nice word for it) amid a queasy uneasy feeling all through my gutty-whats.
This is the ground of my second (of two) 'starter questions' that arise, just by what meets the eye, on first impressions and without having to 'go deeper' (referencing background inextricably woven in).
I wonder if you (or anyone here) might shed any light of speculative interpretation on this irregularity, from your own perspective and wisdom. Or from any old angle.
Why would or should Norte use - what I’d distinguish as - an alias - of ‘special purpose’ i.e. for video uploading, exclusively (unless - ?).
Why (logically) might Norte have fictionalized his last name in that acting capacity?
What meets the eye at a glance doesn’t add up by my arithmetic. No matter how I slice it. Unless the two names aren’t the same “Shane” person, which – all things considered (lots not yet introduced in evidence) - I find difficult to think.
It’s not on any narrow legalistic ground I wonder. Because AFAIK there’s no law against that. Merely a refractory question that emerges from between the lines, standing tall and casting long shadows upon a landscape of current developments I dismally feel I know too well (for my liking):
Why i.e. with what intent, motive or purpose might Norte call himself ‘Shane Micheal” for his (as I infer) youtube channel (assuming Shane Micheal = Norte) - pursuant to his purpose and mission - as educatedindian worded it (beautiful as Atropa belladonna):
< promoting psilocybin, shrooms in slang terms, for healing and spiritual use >
The “why” question about this weird name duality might glare in plain light of day. But it fluoresces under UV - mine at least (albeit decent quality gear).
Especially in terms of how that particular ^ missionary cause (as nicely summed up by educatedindian) stands relative to:
(1) genuine native interests and authentic traditions, on one hand - and on the other
(2) the entire idiom of the post 1960s psychedelic 'community' and movement in terms of its rhetoric and narrative, the entire 'regularly scheduled programming' of the Psychedelic Broadcast Networks (and all local affiliates acting in voluntary cooperation with the 'revolution that will not be televised' - thinking globally, acting locally) - verbatim.
As reflective of the intents and purposes of a post 1960s psychedelic movement - its agendas, ambitions and history. As in history the real thing. Not the 'community' bedtime story (propagandizing narrative) - heraldry (cheering its heroes, jeering the zeroes) masquerading as history - while systematically expurgating the 'inconvenient' truth - myriad 'dirty little secrets' which prove to be the larger portion of what has actually gone on.
Whatever the rhyme or reason of that red-on-black reading ordeal as presented - about like some subliminal 'weed out' test question (how 'serious' are you about wanting to read this?) - I wonder if you or anyone here might think there’s some person other than Norte (but doing his youtube uploading) named ‘Shane Micheal’ posting these vids, all featuring Norte front and center - promoting his ‘message’ and activities (etc)?
The question as I ponder it only gains weight considering that what I'm see and hearing with Norte just happens to correspond 0% to anything I know from native traditions – compensated by a 100% precision match with key talking points of the big psychedelic push - our brave new 21st C “Renaissance” resurrection of the Timothy Leary “dream” which by the 1960s end had already proven to be - a nightmare not a dream.
This red-on-black question (of a potentially 'centrifugal separation' effect picking the winners to draw in while repelling the 'losers') - and this ‘double identity(?)’ name game - are the two starter questions I find like entrances to the maze, right at the surface (without need for any extensive background) - ‘minimal depth’ questions of the first layer to peel back, before next layers further in.
These two questions languish in wading shallows ankle deep, close to the shore. Where light penetrates effortlessly to illuminate everything, leaving nothing in shadows – and revealing for me a clear sense of unclear riddle or puzzle.
Past ankle-depth near shore there's a ‘drop off’ further out. There, the waters get deep and rather darker, particularly in terms of notes I’ve capitalized from Shane’s website exposition (which you’ve so helpfully copied here).
At those great depths, what I encounter crosses an ‘event horizon’ - descending into darker questions, difficult to call merely gray. More like “Gravitational Singularity Black’ - of 5 alarm ‘red alert’ (on my radar).
Quoth educatedndian:
< One grey area I see is some of the church members are not Native. Some are wartime vets. I know there are cases of Native inviting white army buddies… >
The grayscale has its “lighter, lighter” shades and “darker, darker.”
And inviting vets, however gray an area - strikes me as one thing. Gray enough.
But to have invited this CARLOS PLAZOLA - with his profile and Person of Interest activities... is something else completely different, and a whole ‘nother magilla.
A proverbial ‘elephant in the room’ (“send in the blind men”).
Thank you for correcting my wrong spelling of Micheals. And in the process fortuitously allowing for focus on Norte’s youtube presence and presentations - an ideal starting point from my angle of view – with wide frame (for ‘big picture’) and narrow aperture (for ‘depth of field’) with figure-and-background both in nice sharp focus.
With appreciation to everyone here for all you do.
Sparks:
--- Quote from: DoctorLao on October 17, 2021, 03:50:24 pm ---< The YouTube channel is "Shane Micheal (sic) (not Michael):
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgM32Up50z8kXrjhqza2Gow >
Thank you for that spelling correction. Not only does it put my mistake right, it trains a spotlight upon this ‘Shane Micheal’ channel - and name.
I can't help but notice: all the vids uploaded by “Shane Micheal” (12 total by my count) feature Shane Norte, his narrative and scenes in which he centrally figures.
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Between first name match, and the vid content being solely Norte activities I can only tentatively conclude by deduction - subject to contrary evidence (if any) - that channel uploader ‘Shane Micheal’ is none other than Norte. The inference - hypothetical (pending further evidence) - almost draws itself. Without a brain cell of mine having to lift a finger.
The seeming strangeness of this apparent staging (as I might interpret it) provokes curiosity (a nice word for it) amid a queasy uneasy feeling all through my gutty-whats.
This is the ground of my second (of two) 'starter questions' that arise, just by what meets the eye, on first impressions and without having to 'go deeper' (referencing background inextricably woven in).
I wonder if you (or anyone here) might shed any light of speculative interpretation on this irregularity, from your own perspective and wisdom. Or from any old angle.
Why would or should Norte use - what I’d distinguish as - an alias - of ‘special purpose’ i.e. for video uploading, exclusively (unless - ?).
Why (logically) might Norte have fictionalized his last name in that acting capacity?
What meets the eye at a glance doesn’t add up by my arithmetic. No matter how I slice it. Unless the two names aren’t the same “Shane” person, which – all things considered (lots not yet introduced in evidence) - I find difficult to think.
[…]
Why i.e. with what intent, motive or purpose might Norte call himself ‘Shane Micheal” for his (as I infer) youtube channel (assuming Shane Micheal = Norte) - pursuant to his purpose and mission - as educatedindian worded it (beautiful as Atropa belladonna):
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My reason for assuming that the "Shane Micheal" YouTube channel is run by Shane Norte himself is that he carries the middle name Michael, and I think the Micheal on YouTube is a typo, which there are several dozens of on his website. Then there is the fact, as you point out, that all 12 videos in there are starring Shane Norte.
--- Quote from: Sparks on October 14, 2021, 07:45:25 pm ---According to his father’s obituary, Shane Norte seems to be whom and what he says he is:
https://www.wiefelsmortuary.com/obituary/Jeffery-Norte
"Jeffery is survived by… his 7 beautiful children, Shane Michael Aaron Norte, …”.
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Another example of both first two names being used (and spelled Michael) I found on the "Decriminalize Nature" Facebook page (my bolding):
https://www.facebook.com/decriminalizenature/posts/we-are-honored-to-welcome-shane-michael-a-norte-to-the-decriminalizenature-board/3453636974673240/ (September 4, 2020)
--- Quote ---We are honored to welcome Shane Michael A. Norte to the #DecriminalizeNature Board of Directors. Shane is a member of the Morongo Band Of Indians located in Southern California and Spiritual Leader and Founder of Church of the People for Creator and Mother Earth. Shane is an ally and partner with DN since the summer of 2019 and we are honored to be officially joining teams. Thank you Shane for all of your hard work and continued attention to the sacred!
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These people may better be dealt with as a separate topic:
https://decriminalizenature.org/
https://www.facebook.com/decriminalizenature/
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