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General => Research Needed => Topic started by: ironhead on June 21, 2005, 10:14:54 pm
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Greetings;
Has any out there heard of someone called Kenny Frost. I have heard some bad reports about him. I want to know what his M.O. is. I also know/heard, he is victimizing natives, esp. females. (sexual favors).
Any assistance will be honored.
Ironhead
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He´s running for Ute tribal chairman.
http://www.durangoherald.com/asp-bin/article_generation.asp?article_type=news&article_path=/news/05/news050124_1.htm
"Kenny Frost, 50, actually has played the role of an Indian in several Hollywood and television movies. His wide-ranging resume also includes stints with the tribe's natural resources division and as director of tribal education. An expert on the repatriation of American Indian grave sites, he often visits area schools, lecturing about tribal history and culture. Frost has no formal political experience."
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Friends, WADO,
for the report.
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Kenny Frost is a good man.
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Now I know I had seen a thread with all sorts of info about this dingaling and his nastiness...where did it go? I need some info about him. Someone I know has just been chatting with him alot and that man is smooth I tell ya, smooth.
I was at the AIM protest in Denver this past Columbush weekend and saw him but I didn't approach him to talk to him or anything. I know him from vairous places on the internet and stuff. Anyway, anything that can be given to me or re-posted would be very helpful.
Miigwech
Indijnus1
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First, if you want info on him, you could ask him. Plus, it would have been better to place this in "REsearch Needed." Putting his name in here is like saying he is a fraud. I don't believe he is, BTW. Kenny Frost is known to my husband's niece. He is a Ute, a sundancer and more. She also said he is very arrogant, but ya know, that ain't a crime.
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http://newagefraud.org/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.cgi?board=unsure;action=display;num=1119392094;start=0#
If you look near the top of the board you'll find "Search".
Most of what we found out or knew about Frost was positive. Some of what he's said or done I don't agree with, like this.
http://www.nathpo.org/News/Tribal/News-Tribal_Governments31.html
But that doesn't make him a fraud.
Is there something else going on? Usually a request like this should go under Research Needed, unless they're doing something that's a sure tip off like selling ceremonies or claiming to be a reincarnated Crazy Horse.
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I did a search using his name but nothing showed up. I apologize for posting here instead of research section.
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Greetings native friends;
This is the second time that I have saw an inquiry of Mr. Frost. I myself wrote one some months ago, and I was told the he was alright. But, my friends, if there is yet another question about his integrety, than might be we should consider the reason or reasons why. So you say that he is sort of arrogant. I understand that at one time he was running for the chairmanship of the Ute Nation. If this man is leadership quality, than I question the quality of that quality. There is no room for arrogancy in a good leader. (at least in my opinion)
Because of this continuing doubt, I think he should be checked into further.
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This is what I know and what I saw with my own eyes not too long ago. IF he is indeed a sundancer and all the wonderful things that people here are claiming, then why was he enjoying his Bud light at a bar and after in a party in a hotel room. I personally talked to him about that and he didn't deny it. Now I don't know your teachings but where I come from that is not something a medicine man does, or someone who carries pipe, etc. I do know of a woman, a very close friend for years, who he did some things to her that I would consider bad medicine. Dream walking, sending nightmares, things on that order. He has a not so good history with women dealings is what I have come to learn.
When I had originally posted this thread, I wanted to know to what extent he is claiming any status with his tribe if any as far as being "medicine man" or some highly respected tribal member.
If this should have been posted on another area, how does one move it then and I will do that if necessary.
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Moving a topic can only be done by an administrator. I'll go ahead and do that.
Some time before you joined us, we had a long discussion with our members who are not Native, pointing out Sundancers are not necessarily automatically good people. Some break their obligations or dance only for their own egos sake or to impress others. Some outright frauds, like Manny "Two Feathers", put the fact they've danced in the past on display as alleged proof they are super spirchul.
What you describe to me sounds like someone whose a mix of good and bad, in other words a fallible human being who didn't do what he was supposed to as a Sundancer. The use of medicine to harm somebody is far more serious, at least to me.
I haven't seen any signs so far of him claiming to be a medicine man, or any ceremony selling or building a little cult. So far by your account he's definitely done wrong, but he's not a fraud or exploiter like Harley Reagan for example.
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Greetings native friends;
I believe there needs to be a clearifacation here. I personally have no vendettas against Mr. Frost. Let me catagorize my history on this subject.
1 I heard from trusted source that Mr. Frost was acting in a dis-honerable manner with a native woman.
2 I posted my inquiry at this site to find out if there were other reports, (this was only natural)
3 I was told by a senior member here that he, Mr. Frost was O.K.
4 I came back to do other research here, later, and low and behold, I saw yet another inquiry about, Mr. Frost.
5 Since this picked my curiousity, I made my latest comment about the subject in question.
6 I was told by a senior member here, once again, that Mr. Frost is on the arrogant side, but that's all, and that's not a crime.
7 I was also told by that senior member, that I Ironhead, was after "his integrety", (I presume Mr. Frost's)
8 Let me say that I, Ironhead, once again, do not consider arrogancy, A GOOD TRAIT OF LEADERSHIP. This opinion is not a crime either. This has been an observation, and NOT an accusation on my part.
9 Now that this has been "cleared up", let us go back to the business of uncovering fakes again.
dodagaghvi,
Ironhead
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AS I am on a list with Mr. Frost, I took the liberty of emailing him with a link to the thread. His reply was that he did not care to respond, people will say what they want and, most important, that he has NEVER claimed to be a medicine man.
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Oh, and indijinus? Your statement of "Where I come from" implies you are not from Mr. Frost's tribe. WE are not all the same in our beliefs. Maybe you or I don't think a person who carries a pipe should drink. But if it's ok with that person's tribe, it is not up to us. Myself, I would rather worry about the obvious frauds. The ones who sell ceremony, who claim fraudulent teachings, who have no tribal knowledge.
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I've met Kenny Frost, and while I cannot say that I know him extremely well, I've always seen and heard good things about him. He is considered a traditional, a sundancer, an activist, and educator. I know he gives a lot of his time and money to Indian causes. Doesn't make him a saint or better or worse than anyone, thats just what I know.
L
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For the record I have a very close friend that knew kenny frost,she was also involved with him at the time and he treated her with most respect and later he turned on her and said some horriable things that she was hurt bad ,He also invited her to his rez and didnt have the decency to show up and pick her up, But the fact he told her that he had connections in high places and could tap a persons life,He also ,and this is hear say that he is a millionare . To me this man made some accusations that he could prove that ArvolLookingHorse sold the sacred pipe to the japanese,and says he can prove it ,yes he can or might have the power to do all the things that he says ,to me hes a fed and a spy.the goodness that he does for the ppl is all lies ,hes arragontand has no respect for women at all. He is not one to be trusted, From other ppls views he is self conceted and only thinks for his own glory and prestiage. But I also know of some utes that say he isnt a Sundancer ,
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wow, my old friend Kenny Frost which I have not heard fro in 15 years now has made some enemies.
Just because a man is arrogant does not make him a bad man and just because he has women and get rid
of them does not mean he is bad man. He is just a man. I never heard of Kenny being a medicine man but who know these days. A fraud no he is not!!!
An arrogant womaniser yes!
Lets get back to frauds
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hahahahahahahaha, gotta big kick outta these posties! Everything you've all said is pretty much true. If he turns his eyes your way........RUN! He is not looking for true love as he always professes......he's ONLY looking for some action. He is much more HUMAN than he will ever be spiritual......the proof is in the way he treats others. And the ongoing pattern he has of doing it over and over and over again. It must be a lot of fun to lie to people, take advantage of them, then leave them stewing in what he created. Its all bad......;) Been there, done that.........I guess if you believe someone's LIES, then you deserve what you get, eh? And it has come to my attention that they ALL lie. Haven't had the honor of meeting one yet who does not.........and don't expect to before I die. lol
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I am sorry you have had bad experiences..and yes there are alot of bad apples out there - no pun intended.. but I have also met some real down to earth good hearted people - but be assured there are good traditional people out there.
Cat
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For what its worth even Traditionalist's are humane,Some make wrong judjment error's ,but as we all know to be considered to be a respected Elder one must walk there talk and live it,But we all know that even the simplist men makes mistakes. But we learn and correct it the best way possible..
And as for the info Re: Mr Frost at the sacred sites ,yeah who the hell is he ,Had some relatives say that he doesnt have any respect for the ppls ,no matter what tribe he is ...
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Kenny Frost is a womenizer and has a huge ego and that his abilitys to work w/ppls are outragest, Hes ego is more than being a good man,Had several reports that hes self centered and does not have any clue to himself. Look at the other threads that has been posted ,hes offended some ppls in SD a few months ago re: sacred sites . and all were appauled at what he did or said .This man is not Honorable and from what i hear Benard does not work w/ him nor are they close friends
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I emailed Kenny once and from what i can say is that he does what he does . Cant argue the fact as to what he does ,but he does have many PPL that he emails to and they stay close as to whats goin on in NDN issues .So i guesss hes a good man .I dont know and life goes on
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I guess i have to say that Kenny isnt all that bad, dont know him sonally but kenny if you read this i just want to say you do what you got to do ....
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good morning...... i have my own questions and do believe he is knowlegeable of traditional things, as that is one of his hooks. the fact people are questioning his behavior leads me to believe he has a spiritual sickness. it doesnt appear hes targeting only native women, any woman is a tool to be used. ive heard he pays womens travel costs for an opportunity to lay beside them and he likes instant messaging or emails where his sickness is hidden from view. sad when a human holds this type of knowlege and sickness all in one body. they have a personal/public/private persona that is like day/night. the ego is tremendous in these men and they seem to believe women are placed on earth for their personal pleasure and hold the touch. ive heard it said such a man opens has his blanket to you, but you cant see the one walking out the back nor those in line behind you......... good luck
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I have to say that morning_cinders is correct. I know a woman who has experienced this personally within the last couple months. In point of fact he is presently lining up the next woman for the month of October. As for not claiming to be a medicine man, it is what non natives refer to him as with great respect in Glenwood Springs at the Yampah Vapor Caves where he takes donations to lead non natives in ceremony. This can be proven by a simple phone call. As for an MO, he befriends women online, finds what their weaknesses are and plays on them relying on his credentials as spiritual leader and connections- name dropping, and later using these credentials to keep the women silent, for fear of having bad medicine come their way through "jealous individuals". He is not a fake, he is definitely an educated person, but does have this particular flaw as well as prevarication. Because he is so very well respected he believes himself to be untouchable. After all who are people going to believe, Kenny Frost or an unknown woman?
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Which all goes to show that people need to be wary. I have been telling friends for years to be careful because sometimes, what they want so badly is not what they are getting. I know of so many naive people who get taken in by other people. They get taken advantage of because the predator types can spot someone with a trusting nature. People, just because someone says they are a medicine man, a pipecarrier, or a sundancer, doesn't mean you should trust them! Check them out first! Watch how they treat other people. Use some common sense. And to non-native people: If you wouldn't allow a white person to do that to you, why the hell would you allow an NDN to do it?
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Very true, debbieredbear. Mr Frost was recently reported for giving this woman's Sundance dress to pow wow vendors. He was contacted by telephone on the location of the dress and that was the information he gave. This matter has been referred to the Southern Ute tribal police. Definitely a cautionary tale.
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Kenneth Andrew Frost is a total playa! He uses women for plane fair, lodging, food and sex. He takes and never gives back what was loaned to him. He lies about his age. He's closer to 70 than 50. Beware,!!!! Run. Don't walk! Willing to take a lie detector test on this subject!!!!
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He's not a good man. He's a total playa. He's wealthy, yet expects favors. He's a taker, not a giver. Fraud, sex, b.s.!!!